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MLB talk with Matt Snyder of CBS Sports, Scott Dochterman talks Draft & Hawkeyes & Trent's Picks presented by Circa Sports · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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#2 Millery Condon welcome back Iowa sports Radio Network
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Athletic. But right now a weekly segment.
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We talked baseball with our friend Matt Snyder,
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CBSSports.com, Matt Trenton, Ken, excuse me, Thank you very
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much for coming on. I want to start with Nico
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Horner, who's having just one of those starts of the season,
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signed a big contract, does not look anything complacent. 1
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little bit. I mean, this is a guy that wants
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to go out and prove he's worth it.
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Man, what a start he is. And they're getting starts for
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getting contributions from a lot of other guys.
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Colin Ray, unbelievable. But Nico Horner, how about that
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start that he's had? And he did it again last night.
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That play at second base was unbelievable.
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Yeah, I mean, you know, the defense is gonna be there.
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How about him leading the majors in RBI when he's LED off most of
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the game? It's 21 RBI, 7 for seven stolen
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bases. You're always gonna get cerebral
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play, absolutely no negative baggage whatsoever.
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The only possible thing that you could say in a negative for him
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is that he's not a Big 10 home run hitter.
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But you know what? Every single guy can't be a home
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run hitter capable of hitting forty in a year.
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He's going to absolutely everything else and it's
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interesting that when he hit the walk off stack fly on Sunday
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sent the Mets to their 11th consecutive loss.
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There were questions after the game on whether or not the Mets
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should have intentionally walked Nico.
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I I thought that was one of the biggest no brainers in the
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world. And Carlos Mendoza said
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something like well, yeah, but then he would have just stolen
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2nd and there were good hitters were coming.
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Well, first of all the the game-winning runs on third.
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Who cares what Nico does as a runner?
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Secondly, I'm not sure how many guys in the league you would
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least rather you would want up there less if you're a pitcher
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than Nico Horner because the the winning run is on 3rd.
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There are less than two outs. So this doesn't hey, you're
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scared of a home run. This isn't even you're scared of
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a hit. This isn't hey, he works great
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at bat. He might work a walk.
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This is the worst possible player that can come up to bat
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as somebody who puts it in play and is going to do something
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with the bat like hit a fly ball or it to the outfield.
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Like somebody who has great back control, who doesn't strike out
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like Nico's one of the best in baseball at doing all those
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things. That was a horrible decision.
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One guy, Ron Coomer, said as much prior to it.
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Yes, it's there are very few guys that you would say, hey,
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no, I, I would. Yeah.
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It's just man, I don't understand it.
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One guy that has not rounded into form as the rest of the
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team seems to be kind of popping, let's say a Suzuki, one
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extra base hit since he's come off the IL, didn't have a hit
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over the weekend. Got to go back to Thursday the
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last time he got a knock and it just hasn't been there.
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Is it the injury? Did he come back too soon?
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What have you seen out of the training?
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Yeah, didn't have that though. He's part of the WBC before the
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injury. It just, we know that he's got a
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lot of hot and cold stretches. That's kind of do you just want
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to chalk it up to as simple as that?
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This is one of those cold stretches.
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Pretty much, I mean, I think the timing was going to the WBC and
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not being one of the people who played and pool plays that were
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around here flying all the way over to Japan.
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Coming back his first game back, he gets hurt and then he misses
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the rest of spring training and now he comes back from injury.
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It has to be tough. And again, there are always ebbs
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and flows. We say so we we've seen the
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really, really hot, you know, last year in the first half, for
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example, we've seen the really, really cold last year in the
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first half until we got to the playoffs.
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And then in the playoffs, all of a sudden he was one of the best
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sitters on the team again. So I, I don't think that Craig
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counsel will or should do much different with him moving
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forward. And I expect that he's going to
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start hitting the ball out of the ballpark pretty soon as soon
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as tonight really. They're facing a left-hander and
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the winds blowing out. Oh, the winds blowing out,
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that's good to know for people who like to bet totals or find a
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player prop, etcetera. Good stuff.
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It was blown out over the weekend as well.
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Let's move on. I want to ask you about Dylan
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Cease because he's such an anomaly.
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He leads the major leagues in strikeouts, which is a
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fascinating that he's already up there, but yet he's A5 inning
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pitcher every single night. I mean, I'm not sure he's
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pitched into the 6th inning this year if he has a bets only once,
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but my God, this guy stuff is unbelievable.
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Yeah, the walks are probably higher than you'd like to see
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them, but he is the movement on his pitches, he is so tough to
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hit. I think it's all part of that
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package, right? Like the walk totals high, that
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strike out totals high. So that means pitch counts are
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going to pile up. It's all part of it because he's
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going to walk guys because it moves so much.
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So you have that small little window, that's strike zone.
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There's so much movement on the pitches.
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He's going to miss the strike zone a good amount of the time
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and he's also going to miss bat a good amount of time when guys.
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So you're you're just going to end up piling up huge pitch
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counts and not be able to go that deep in the game.
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Yeah, you're right. Like he's averaging just about 5
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innings per start. It's 25 2/3 inning and five
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starts. So you're getting just about 5
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inning, 45 strikeouts. SO5 innings, 9 strikeouts,
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hardly any runs allowed. That's where he is.
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And it's funny, he's on the every other year pass too. 2022
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second Cy on voting 2023 was terrible. 2024 fourth and Cy on
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voting 2025 he was terrible. This year he looks like he's
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again maybe top five. Sai young guy.
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This is just exactly who he is. I don't know if we'll ever see
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him get to 200 innings just because of what we talked about.
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He's always going to walk a lot of guys and strike out a lot of
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guys that run a ton of full counts.
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He's going to. So then he's going to run out of
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gas by the time you get to the 6th, 7th inning.
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And maybe that's part of it too. Even when he's on is that his
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pitch count totals are so high. He doesn't get exposed the third
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or even the fourth time through the order much because he's run
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out of pitches by then. Speaking of guys leading their
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respective leagues in a statistic, Mike Trout leads the
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American League and runs scored last year for him.
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Relatively healthy. Played 130 games for the first
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time since 2019. Just absolutely crazy.
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We'd always been an Angel for life.
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If he's healthy come the trade deadline, is this finally the
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time for him to say, look, it's not going to happen here, wave
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the white flag. I'm willing to move and we'll
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see Mike Trout hopefully sometime in a playoff even to
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this point in his career. I hope so.
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It'd be cool. I don't know if it's going to
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work out. For a long time, we always
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thought about Philadelphia. You know, he's a South Jersey,
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Philly fan. Thought it.
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We always thought it would be fun with Bryce Harper and Mike
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Trout together. But now the Phillies window
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might be closing. They don't look good at all and
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they're old. And to add his contract when
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he's paid through 20-30, that just wouldn't make sense for the
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Phillies. But there are teams that could
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absorb him and where it would make sense, especially when you
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have a lot of DH openings. So just before anybody even
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thinks about it, the Dodgers do not make sense here because I
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think you're going to need DH at bats available to keep him on
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the field as he gets up there in age.
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And they've got DH tied up. And so hey, Otani.
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And even if they didn't, they're they're going to people like
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Will Smith and Freddie Freeman are going to start maybe needing
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some looks at DH. So he does not make sense for
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the Dodgers at all. But he makes sense in a lot of
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other places if it comes to that.
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We don't know if he'd be open to it.
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There are a lot of years in the past.
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He seems like he's content. He doesn't want to go anywhere.
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But you never know. I mean, if they fall out of it
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again and teams show interest and the angels talk to him and
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they show interest and letting him go.
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And that's part of it too, because they're out of it almost
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every year. But they still sell some tickets
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just because of my trap. So it's if they decide that they
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want to move him and he decides that he's good to go.
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I, I, I, we'll see. I, I, I just hadn't thought of
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it before because it has seemed like it's a foregone conclusion
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that he's just going to stay put for so long.
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We'll see. I hopefully.
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I think it'd be fun to see some Trout trade rumors, especially
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if he has a monster season here at age 34.
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I love that ballpark. I'll never forget it.
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I was there in 1991 and I was blown away.
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I walked to the concession stand.
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I could have bought sushi at a baseball game.
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I thought what you're in California can, but I didn't
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try. Just who?
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Are you surprised Mendoza didn't walk the plank yesterday?
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Off day for the Mets. Here come the Twins, 11 in a
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row. This was a team that a lot of
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folks thought was going to rule the East and the National
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League. Obviously, that has not been the
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case. I mean, I don't know how you
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come back from losing 11 in a row.
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And I know it's a long season. You get $1.62.
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It's unbelievable. Are you surprised he's still
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there? A little bit, yeah.
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Like, I mean, it's not just this year either.
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Like they had a complete collapse last year.
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They had they were they were terrible.
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They had the best record in baseball on June 12th.
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And then they fell apart from terrible and they missed the
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playoffs. In a year where 83 wins from the
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Reds got the Reds into that last wild card spot.
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It wasn't like they get squeezed out by somebody who just went
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absolutely bonkers down the stretch.
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This was a full on choke job. And now to lose 11 in a row
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after the rosters been completely revamped, that looks
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like it's on David Stearns, which is to say that I'm
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surprised that Stearns isn't trying to save a little face
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here. Blame the manager and scapegoat
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him and get somebody else in there, especially.
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And I'm sorry to mix in what looks like a subtle jab here,
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Trent, but especially when it looks like this could be a
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relatively soft part of the schedule coming up.
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You've lost eleven in a row after you went on a road trip to
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the Dodgers and Cubs. Now you have a day off.
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Now you come home and the Twins, who are probably a little bit
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over their heads a little bit, then the Rockies, then the
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Nationals, then you have a road trip to the Angels and the
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Rockies. They could get hot here.
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This would have been the perfect opportunity for Stern to ask
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Carlos Mendoza. Then see the team.
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And by the way, Juan Soto looks like might return tomorrow.
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Well, that gets. Soto back, the team starts
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winning games. Now all of a sudden, hey, see,
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Carlos Mendoza was the problem. That would have been the perfect
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opportunity. So the little surprise, it just
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maybe he has a really good relationship with Mendoza and he
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really believes they're just about to turn it around and he
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can say, hey, see, we knew all along it was going to be OK.
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It just it seemed like the stars aligned, especially after he
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didn't walk Nico on Sunday and then made the comment like,
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well, yeah, then what? He would have sold second.
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Like man, everything was right there for the take.
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Yeah, That makes it look way, way worse.
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You mentioned Soto. Is there something between Soto
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and Lindor in the circles that, you know, you hang out with, you
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know, guys that follow the game on an everyday basis?
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But it sure seems like there's a lot of, I don't know,
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speculation out there that Lindor and Soto, the two most
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important pieces maybe of the everyday players, do not get
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along. I haven't seen anything of
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substance that would cause me to believe that they needed to like
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have a sit down talk or trade either one of them or anything
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like that. No, I haven't.
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And as always, I would say that winning would cure all here.
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If they all of a sudden get hot when Doors starts hitting, Toto
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comes off the aisle, everybody kind of comes together and they
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start stringing wins together, then everybody would be happy
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and joyous and everything. And look, we've seen stuff like
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you can go all the way back to the Bronx Zoo in the 70s with
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the Yankees. It doesn't matter if you're
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fighting in the locker room, as long as you're winning on the
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field. Everybody can make everything go
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away when you win. So I don't, I don't know if
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there's anything really big there.
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The Braves are the clear cut favorite right now and just a
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week ago you could have got them to win the division A + 140.
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Wish I would have jumped on that one as you're not getting that
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price anymore. Helps on the way.
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Spencer Striders, he's making a rehab start.
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It'll be his second coming back. Sean Murphy, they're going to be
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getting him back pretty soon. It's way early to say this
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thing's over, but does it feel like things?
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And finally, the Braves maybe somewhat, are healthy, though
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Hakuna took a couple of beans over the weekend as he got a
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little bit dinged up. Yeah, no, it's definitely not
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over at all. And they're the Braves are going
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to have questions to answer long term here with the rotation
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because while the rotation has been good and help is on the
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way, a Martine Perez with a 2.2 on ERA, Grant Holmes has been
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pretty good, Bryce Elder with a 1.5 O ERA.
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Give me a break, man. There's some backside coming in
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there somewhere. Like I believe in Sale, maybe we
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believe right now Lopez now that he's healthy, that's going to
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hold up, but maybe Strider helps alleviate some of the concerns
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unlike a Martine Perez backslide.
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But the rotation as is isn't going to continue to be this
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good. However, I do think the offense
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is probably going to continue to be this good and we'll see how
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Iglesias is when he comes back from this IL step with his what
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they say is a small shoulder injury, but Tyler Kinley, Dylan
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Lee have been really, really good and they've got Robert
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Suarez to hold down the 9th while Iglesias is hurt.
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So the back end of the Bolton is really, really well set up.
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The top end of the rotation you've got Sail and it looks
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like he's not going to be washed up here at age 37.
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So they just need to answer the rotation depth questions and
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everything else is really in line for this to be one of the
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best teams in baseball here. Yeah, and if they do get caught
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in the in the East, who would catch them?
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The Phillies are done. They're not good right now.
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Yeah, I. Maybe it is over.
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Maybe I shouldn't have to stop over.
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Like, I don't believe in the Marlins.
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I don't. I think the Nationals are going
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to end up being one of the worst.
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Teams to do I. Agree, and there's nothing on
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the Phillies or Mets that really inspires too much confidence.
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I do think that there's a chance the Mets could get hot, but man,
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they've dug themselves an 8 1/2 game hole.
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That's a big one. Now we've seen it go in the
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opposite direction a few years ago when the Braves ran the Mets
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down for more than that. I think it was 10 games.
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But yeah, that's a big, big hole when even if you say if the Mets
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get hot, the two teams are probably relatively even in
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talent when they're both firing at all cylinders.
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For a relatively even team to run down another team from 8 1/2
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games behind us would be pretty rare.
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In the Central, the last players placed, Brewers would be in
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first place in the American League Central, the American
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League West. They would be 1/2 game back in
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the American League East. This division right now looks
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great, but we're kind of think waiting maybe for the Cardinals
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to turn into a pumpkin. The Pirates, there's still
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plenty of people that don't believe in them.
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Even the Reds, who were a playoff team a year ago.
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Who's going to be fighting it out in the end when we flip the
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calendar into September? Who's still going to be there at
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the top of the National League Central?
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Well, I mean, the Cubs have won six in a row, so I'm feeling
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good right now. So I'll say the Cubs still have
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most talent. But you know, the rotation gets
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dinged with Kate Horton going down.
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It's it's how's Matthew Boyd going to be when he comes back?
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How's Justin Steele going to be when he eventually joins the
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rotation? That's how you can absorb that
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blow. But talent wise, the Cubs should
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be that they need they need some Bolton guys to come back to.
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There's the entire Bolton's hurt.
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It feels. I mean, it's even trickled down
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to Iowa, I believe. So many injuries throughout that
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pitching staff. I expect the Cardinals to kind
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of go away but but be one of the, I'll say probably the best
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last place team in baseball, unless maybe the AL East last
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place team. But the Brewers, I think once
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they get healthier among their position players, I mean,
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they'll need yellows back, they'll need Jackson Cheerio,
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but I expect the Brewers to continue to find ways to win.
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I think the Reds and Pirates both feel like fringe
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contenders. So I think that this is going to
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be really fun and competitive for most of the season.
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I would love to see a five team race.
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That'd be really fun. But we're do we're do some stuff
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here like the Reds are 6 and O and one run games 3 and O and
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extra innings. So there's been a lot of like
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things that have gone their way. Some of that is, hey, you're
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learning how to win, but some of that is stuff that's going to
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even itself out. Pirates, I still don't think the
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offense is going to be that great all year, but there's
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there are reasons to believe it's better and there are good
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signs on that ball club. So I'm looking forward to this
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division all year and I think top to bottom, maybe not at the
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top, but if he said like the the highest floor of any division, I
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think you have to stay is the Central now stealing?
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Obviously, you're not going to match the Dodgers in the West.
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Or the Braves. If, let's say, like the Braves
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in the East or the Yankees completely take off, the ceiling
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isn't there for anybody, including the Cubs or Brewers.
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But this is the highest floor from any division for sure.
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Yeah, I, I agree with you. I mean, Colin Ray, what what is
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what is story? He's been since he's come to the
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Cubs and he proved it again last night.
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It's unbelievable. I thought he was.
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Done it's a great he's such a great, great signing where you
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come into the spring and that guy's your 7th or 8th starter
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and he has to get sprung into action because of Horton going
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down and Boyd going down and Steel not ready yet.
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And man, he's been great. And it's not just hey, he's
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thrown into the rotation and he gives you 3 inning tier while he
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tries to stretch out. No, he's getting, he's getting
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into the middle inning tier. So yeah, actually he leads the
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Cubs in any pitch right now. How about that 24 innings?
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He leads what we got Imanaga, Taion and Cabrera in the 20
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twos, which Imanaga will pass it tonight.
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But still, a brief temporary thing is pretty pretty cool what
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he's done so far. The comments from Craig counsel
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about Otani and the advantage that is given.
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To the Council, there's other. Guys.
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Oh, absolutely. Council's the latest one that
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was talking about it as they get ready for that series coming up
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here soon. What do you look at?
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It is the complete. Nonsense.
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OK, take it away. It's a joke.
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No, that's ridiculous. Look, they don't get an extra
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spot. You don't.
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It's just that Otani's basically two players.
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He's the reason it looks like a special rule is because Shohei
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Otani is special. And the easiest way to say it is
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the Cubs are free to put Thea Suzuki in their rotation if they
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want. The Cubs are free to use Soda
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Imanaga as their everyday DH if they want that.
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You're free to, when Matthew Boyd comes back off the injured
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list, make boys your everyday DH.
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Well, I don't want to do that because he's not good enough.
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That's your answer. It's because Otani is basically
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two different players. He's an ace and he's a DH.
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Nobody else has a guy who does both.
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That's not a special rule. They have the same number of
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roster spots as everybody else. They just have a guy who's
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capable of being both in the rotation and the everyday DH.
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And this didn't start with the Dodgers.
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This was he's with the Angels as well.
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So it's. Yeah, I mean, and I don't
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understand how it's a topic right now.
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I don't, I guess. Well, John Snyder brought it up
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when the Dodgers were in Toronto and then council jumped up, I
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think. Everybody was, at least because
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that was at least because it was about the extra.
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Time thing. Oh yeah, he didn't like that
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argument there when there's. Extra time in between innings.
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There's at least an argument when you can say there's a
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different set of rules. But in terms of the roster spot,
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it's not different. It's the same for everybody
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else. If you're if you want to say
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they shouldn't be able to do that, then you're penalizing
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them for having a player that special.
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That's not the way this works. Again, put Moises by a stereos
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in the rotation. Craig.
19:37
No, he can't do that. But that's what the Dodgers are
19:40
doing with Otani. He can hit though, man.
19:42
He can absolutely hit, No doubt about that.
19:45
Matt Snyder, CBSSports.com where he covers Major League Baseball,
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CBS Sports HQ's where you can see him, you can hear him with
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19:53
A man we grateful for that. Matt, thanks for jumping on.
19:56
We'll talk with you next week. Appreciate it.
19:58
As always. Thank you, Matt Snyder.
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You have a good one, you do the same.
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What is the Central division, NL Central division odds?
20:10
What? What are the Cubs right now?
20:11
All right, let's 'cause they were favoured pre season.
20:14
Right. They were pretty significant.
20:16
Yeah, and there was the Brewers and then I don't remember who it
20:19
was. It wasn't Cardinals.
20:20
I. Think it was the Reds I.
20:21
Think it was the Reds and then Pirates.
20:22
Cardinals. Yes.
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Play offs, divisions. Here we go clicking on that
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National League Central. Your betting favorite is
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probably the Cubs. It is the Cubs plus 180 better
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price than you would have got before the season began.
20:35
The second choice. Brewers.
20:38
Yes, the last place team plus 275 for them, then the buckos
20:42
plus 330 Reds at 4:00 to 1:22 to 1:00 on the birdies on the bat.
20:50
Which is about where it was, I think, prior to the preseason.
20:53
So if you put the Cubs with the, I don't know.
20:58
I mean, I don't want to throw the Dodgers in.
21:00
I don't want to throw the Brave. Braves are, Braves aren't
21:03
they're not coming back, I don't think.
21:05
I mean, I know it's April the 21st or whatever.
21:08
Well, just name the National League Cubs, Dodgers and the
21:11
Mets and the Braves. And the Braves put them
21:12
together. What kind of money do I get?
21:13
A little bit better than 4 to 1. That's that's worth it A.
21:16
Little bit better than 4 to 1. Because I think the Dodger
21:19
obviously very. Far even as well as the Padres
21:22
are playing. Padres are off to a good start.
21:23
Yeah. Nobody else in that division.
21:26
Diamondbacks are OK Giants know. Obviously.
21:29
The Rockies know though. They took 2A4 from the Dodgers.
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a couple of weeks off. I went on a long plane ride.
22:25
Did you not, thought? Good to have you back, good to
22:27
talk to you. Where were you?
22:28
How much fun did you have? I had a great time.
22:31
I went to my wife, myself and my daughter went and met my son.
22:36
He lives in Germany. So we were in Munich for three
22:38
or four days and went to Vienna for three or four days and.
22:42
I kind of. Bounced back and forth and it
22:45
was fantastic. You know, very, I never been
22:48
there before. So saw a lot of great places at
22:51
both, both locations and even got to see an American football
22:55
field from the train as we were driving.
22:57
Really fly. They're going from the train
22:59
from Munich to Garnish Parton. Garnish Parton?
23:03
Yep. No.
23:04
Well, yeah, the Edelweiss Resort, my son works there.
23:08
So yeah. So I got, I was like, no way
23:12
there's an American football field.
23:14
I took a very bad picture of it, but yeah, it's still pretty
23:16
good. That's awesome.
23:17
So a lot of beer and Schnitzel or what was kind of on the menu.
23:23
Beer yes, I would say also a lot of pretzels.
23:30
It's it's pretty impressive the amount of bread there, but I I
23:34
tell you what you know, go in there hanging out and and then
23:36
even see in that football field. I thought what an amazing spot
23:40
this would be for say Iowa or Wisconsin to maybe Iowa State to
23:44
to have a game here in Munich. I mean, it would just be, it
23:48
would be the perfect location for the fan bases of the Midwest
23:52
that can have German heritage. It's it would be a perfect spot
23:56
for so many reasons. Just one more on this.
23:59
How do you get there? I mean, where do you fly through
24:01
Chicago? To where?
24:03
I actually, we flew from Cedar Rapids to Charlotte and then
24:07
Charlotte had a direct. So it was, it was pretty easy
24:10
trip. I didn't have to go through
24:12
O'Hare, which was great. And Charlotte's a decent
24:15
airport. So that was, you know, so very
24:19
not very intrusive, not a lot of, you know, not two or three
24:22
stops, just one layover. And yeah, it was a perfect trip.
24:27
You now we're back and now you're back working and that
24:29
means we are able to read some of your great articles,
24:32
including. Read 1 today.
24:34
Yes, the back end of the NFL draft and something that we know
24:38
that you love. Obviously Doc is the NFL draft
24:40
and writing about it and covering it for years now with
24:42
The Athletic and he talked a little bit about Logan Jones.
24:45
Maybe the most interesting piece because finding these numbers
24:49
are very difficult coming back and he earned $750,000 from
24:53
revenue share in NILA season ago at Iowa.
24:57
Is that the going rate for a returning starter at Iowa?
25:01
Is that maybe a fair baseline to look at or we're talking about a
25:04
guy that was coming back for a six year, had a lot more than
25:07
just a year as a starter or three-year starter at that
25:09
point. Is it different or is that a
25:11
good baseline to understand where I was at least sitting
25:14
right now with the revenue share in NIL?
25:17
Yeah, I mean, each each position is unique.
25:21
And I mean Logan Jones's situation is different than just
25:24
about anybody else's. But I think for a player in his
25:27
position, the fact that he was coming back as a first team all
25:30
Conference Center, it gave him some leverage.
25:33
Now his negotiation skills, what we're real strong, let's put it
25:39
that way. I mean, he he could have he
25:41
probably could have gotten more. He was worth it.
25:44
And I would say like from talking to some of our guys on
25:48
the, you know, that they really handle this more directly than
25:50
even myself. You know, the going rate for
25:53
like an offensive tackle, if the upper rate for the best of the
25:57
best of first team, All American type, let's say Kaden Proctor or
26:00
something would be in the neighborhood of like 1.3 million
26:03
right now. And in the bottom end for a
26:05
starter at a Power 4 is generally about 600 K, maybe a
26:09
little less than that if they're just kind of elevated there.
26:12
But. So you know, he's probably, you
26:14
know, for an interior offensive lineman, probably in the upper
26:17
3rd, I would say, but he probably could have commanded a
26:20
little bit more. But it it does provide you a
26:22
little bit of a window. But but I think, you know, the
26:24
the genous of the story pretty much is that it's more about if
26:30
he had the opportunity to come back and not really not feel
26:33
like he was losing a lot of money.
26:35
Yes, he was leaving some on the table for sure, But it's more
26:39
about you can come back in today's world.
26:42
And at the NFL level, they're a little they're they're nervous
26:46
about this. Is that players like a Logan
26:48
Jones, who, you know, if we're talking about the 2016 draft,
26:52
maybe he goes to the draft, maybe he's a 5th or 6th rounder,
26:56
something like that. And then they have a year with
26:59
him and maybe he's their starter.
27:01
But instead, now he's staying in college, which means that it
27:06
elevates the 6th rounders to the fourth round because the numbers
27:10
are generally lower right now. It was early entries are cut in
27:15
half from what they once were because of NI, which you which
27:20
you'd say is a good thing. I mean, some of these numbers
27:22
are pretty strong. I mean, you're talking about it
27:25
used to be like in the neighborhood of 121 early draft
27:29
entries. Now you're talking about 40 and
27:32
50s. So, and you know, a lot of times
27:35
it's 40 less underclassmen get drafted then once then did five
27:40
years ago and NIL plays the role for that.
27:43
So the NFL draft team, the teams are a little bit worried because
27:48
it kind of hurts their talent pool and they're elevating
27:51
everybody up. But you know, for a player like
27:53
Logan Jones, who you go back to school, you get great coaching
27:59
at a position like at Iowa and on the offensive line, you get
28:02
paid and then you probably make yourself more marketable.
28:05
So it's actually more of a player strength, which we've
28:07
never really seen before with the NFL draft.
28:09
That's interesting, Doc, because Trent and I talked about this
28:12
earlier. Obviously basketball is leading
28:14
the athletes to stick around, but because there's some
28:18
obviously fewer NBA spots on a roster, that's interesting.
28:21
So it's the back end of the of the NFL draft is where it's
28:25
where it's affecting it at this point, right?
28:26
It's not like first, second, third round guys.
28:28
It's guys toward the back end right now.
28:30
They're having a decision and some obviously are sticking
28:33
around in college for next year, which is great for the college
28:36
game, but I get the NF LS angst over this.
28:38
But that's where it's happening. Back of the draft.
28:40
Yeah, because the front end of the draft is still, you know,
28:43
pretty, pretty stout that. I mean, you're talking about
28:47
like on Dane Berger's list, the top, you know, roughly the top
28:51
32, you know, first rounders that he's he's got slated in
28:55
there. I think he has all but six or
28:58
seven or so are underclassmen. The guys that had an extra year
29:02
of eligibility. Mendoza could have gone back for
29:04
another year. Arbel Reese could have went back
29:06
for another year, Cardinal Tate, Makai Lemon, you know, Kaden
29:09
Proctor, the list goes on and on for these players that are going
29:13
to probably be in the first round, but they chose to come
29:16
out of here early. So it's not that big of a
29:18
problem when you're talking about like, I think it's like 33
29:21
out of the top 50 are underclassmen, but then out of
29:25
the top 100 in Danes list, they're only 40.
29:28
They're 44, which means that after the 33 and I think it's
29:32
there's 59 early entrance. So there's like 26 guys that are
29:36
outside the top 50. So it, and it makes perfect
29:40
sense if you think about it, guys that, that in football and
29:42
in basketball, it really helps the players because now they
29:46
have the opportunity to get paid.
29:47
So they're not forcing themselves in.
29:49
And I, I saw it when I covered it with the Chiefs 20 years ago
29:53
to, to all these years through that, a guy like let's say Gino
29:57
Stone, you know, seven years ago into that after what 2019 he
30:04
needed to go back to college. He became the 7th rounder, but
30:06
he wanted to get some money in his pocket.
30:09
If he comes back to Iowa or even transfers, you know, he gets
30:12
more money, probably becomes a first team own conference guy,
30:15
elevates his draft stock. And whereas back then he didn't
30:18
have that opportunity. I I was fascinated by our piece.
30:22
I knew you were working on it because you've been working on
30:24
this Purdue piece for a while, if memory serves, maybe back to
30:27
the Big 10 basketball. And it's been a while, but it's
30:31
a great piece, Doc and I I'm trying to figure out what the
30:33
hell you do in covering Purdue football for.
30:36
But then when you put it out there, it's it's, it's obviously
30:39
comparing, you know, rival Purdue to Indiana and look where
30:42
Indiana is and why can't Purdue follow suit.
30:45
I thought that was a fascinating read, Doc it published today,
30:49
yeah. Juxtaposos between the, you
30:55
know, the juxtaposition, let's say between Purdue and Indiana
30:58
could not be greater right now than ever before.
31:01
I mean, they used to kind of be almost codependent.
31:03
You know, well, we're we like basketball, we tolerate
31:06
football, but now you've got the the national champion that was
31:09
16 and O versus alongside you got Purdue, which is trying to.
31:13
Rebuild that has lost. 18 straight Big 10 games.
31:16
And everybody in that state, kind of like in Iowa, where, you
31:20
know, except in that case, they're they're actually in the
31:22
same conference, but they're, you know, looking over their
31:25
shoulders saying, everybody's saying, well, why can't you do
31:28
that? And that's, you know, really
31:30
difficult, especially in a campus like Purdue that has had
31:33
such great success in basketball.
31:36
So now in football, you're going, you know, we, we're on
31:38
our own timetable. I mean, what happened in at
31:41
Indiana was miraculous. It was loaves and fishes and
31:45
scale. And whereas with Purdue, you
31:49
know, they're more on traditional timetable.
31:51
And last year, I mean, God, you know, they had 80 some, I think
31:54
it was 81 new players a total. And, and so, you know, I, I
31:59
found their, their story fascinating because they're
32:02
trying to rebuild in the portal, but in a classic way.
32:06
And to do that within earshot of their biggest rival, which had
32:09
the greatest turn around in, in, in sports history.
32:13
I think that's, you know, it, it just shows the difficulties and
32:18
the, the, the ability that they have to just identify what works
32:21
for them and build it that way. Not worry about what Indiana's
32:25
doing, because if you do that, you'll just drive yourself
32:27
crazy. Some newsy stuff in College
32:29
Football Week 0, the waiver process being eliminated.
32:33
Is this setting us up for teams can schedule Week 0?
32:37
That's going to be maybe the NFL when they go to an 18 game
32:40
schedule. They're going to butt up to
32:41
Labor Day, start their season there.
32:44
Take us in kind of your thought process of the changing schedule
32:47
and eventually what it's going to be for the College Football
32:49
Playoff. Oh, it's it's.
32:51
It is. Fascinating, Trent.
32:53
I, I mean, week 0 is this is something that I anticipated it
32:56
quite a few years ago that that that would end up being that
33:00
they'll just make it a standard 14 week season.
33:03
And, and that way you have 12 games over 14 weeks.
33:06
And I know like for the big 10, that's, you know, it's so
33:09
bunched up this year and even the SEC, the same thing that I
33:12
think this will work well for them.
33:14
And you know, when it comes to scheduling And now for the NFL,
33:19
if they ever go to 18, that they'll have a protracted fight
33:22
for that with the players association, which I understand.
33:26
I, I think they should go the other way, which is be a little
33:29
deeper into the season and go all the way to like presidents
33:32
weekend. And the networks would probably
33:36
like it because it's a sweep month in February.
33:38
So you can get a little more action that way.
33:41
But I think with college football that this is good
33:44
because then you start to look at how you, how are you going to
33:46
implement this playoff system and how are you going to make
33:49
that work? And if you can end the season
33:53
Thanksgiving weekend. And I'm, I'm a proponent of
33:56
turning that into like a flex weekend and make it your
33:59
championship weekend. And then if you can start the
34:01
playoffs the first weekend in December, you, you can really
34:06
change the, the calendar because this year, I think the, the
34:09
January 25th, yeah, it's too late.
34:14
I mean, it's just too late. And, and when you have the
34:16
portal situation and I, I just think that this is, you know,
34:20
it's a disaster. So I, I wouldn't, I think this
34:23
is the right way to go is to, is to start the season a little bit
34:27
earlier, try to wrap up championship weekend, the
34:30
weekend of Thanksgiving and then go in your playoffs.
34:33
I I think that's probably the best way to go for the sport.
34:36
Will you be covering the draft this weekend?
34:38
Will you get to Kinnick on Saturday?
34:39
What's your plans, doc? Yeah, I'm doing draft grades
34:43
again, Nick Baumgartner and I have done that for the last
34:46
handful of years. And so that's that's Thursday
34:49
and Friday and that is pretty difficult actually to be a knee
34:53
jerk reaction. Hey, did they pick to get the
34:55
right pick and and and then Saturday I'm kind of doing
34:59
double duty. I am going to go to Kinnick
35:00
because I do want to see this. I think the the quarterback
35:03
competition fascinates me. It's one that's going to last
35:06
until September and no doubt about it.
35:09
And I I do want to see how they perform.
35:11
And in Iowa has a kind of an interesting unique angle in
35:14
college football because everybody else, when they went
35:17
to the portal, they decided to go with, you know, Moneyball
35:21
approach, get players that have been very successful at FCS
35:25
programs. And and then they decided not to
35:27
go in the portal for a quarterback and they're going
35:30
these guys compete. So I think they have a real
35:32
fascinating story that I want to check out on Saturday, but but
35:36
then concurrently I'll be doing a lot of draft stuff that day
35:40
and then following it up at night and on Sunday as well.
35:42
You can't say quarterback, So what position group outside of
35:46
quarterback are you looking most forward to?
35:48
Just getting some eyeballs on for the Hawkeye Saturday.
35:52
Good question. I think there's, there's several
35:54
that I mean, there's several that I'm intrigued with and then
35:56
there's several that I think are important.
35:58
They're not, they don't necessarily intersect.
36:00
I want to see the receivers because I I think that I want to
36:03
see Tony Diaz, you know, hurdle a million good things about him.
36:06
If he and and and I think Reese Vanders is healthy and DJ, you
36:10
know, Vaname is, is, is we can take build on what he did last
36:14
year. Iowa might be pretty good at
36:17
that, that pass catching, which is something I haven't seen for
36:19
a while, you know, like in 15 years or so, then you throw in.
36:25
But I think defensive line to me is the one that I'm most
36:28
concerned about because you lose so many players and you're
36:33
bringing in some newbies. But they need to make strides
36:35
there. Because if I was off, defensive
36:37
line is not upper level, it's not going to compete for a high
36:42
level in the season. Is that is that is the one
36:45
position offensive and defensive lines at Iowa, if they're not
36:48
good or not very good, I should say they have no chance in
36:52
competing for, you know, the highest level of the Big 10.
36:55
So that that's an important one. And then finally, I probably say
36:58
linebacker because I think Cam Buffington might be a breakout
37:01
performer and I want to see how he performs on Saturday.
37:05
Good. Hopefully your schedule allow us
37:06
to share what you learned on with us on Monday.
37:09
Hey, real quick before we let you go, we tossed this around in
37:13
their first segment. Diego Pavia, he's going to get
37:16
drafted in all likelihood, Doc, don't you think?
37:18
I mean you're probably seventh round or or does he go, does he
37:23
go the free agent or does he hear his name called?
37:24
You think? I don't know, I doubt he gets
37:29
drafted, but I, I, you'd have it.
37:33
It's kind of like one of those Tim Tebow type situations.
37:36
And I mean completely different personality.
37:38
I mean 180, but it's about the distraction.
37:41
And do you feel like your team is equipped to handle somebody
37:45
like that? And he has a lot of positives.
37:48
I mean, we saw the the negatives more so in, in, in December
37:51
locally. But I think the positives are
37:54
very strong. I mean, he's a baller, he can do
37:57
it all. And and so I think a team that,
37:59
hey, let's, let's see what he can do.
38:01
Let's bring him in and and see if we can, you know, he can
38:05
bring a level of maturity to himself that he hasn't shown.
38:09
You know, he's got a chance to be a 510 superstar.
38:12
You know, if you're The Jets and you're like, wow, you know, this
38:14
guy can go out and ball. So I think he he gets he's
38:19
definitely got a job on Saturday.
38:20
I just don't know if a team that's a more of a traditional
38:24
makeup wants him as a distracted player.
38:27
So, but I, I, I think he's a, if he's given a chance, he might
38:33
make the most of it. He'll be like a local star and
38:37
do some good things for somebody if he gets that opportunity and
38:40
he doesn't screw it up with his personality.
38:42
Javier with the New York media, that'll be good TV.
38:47
Good stuff, Doc Thank you as always, appreciated.
38:49
Glad you had a great time with the family.
38:51
Glad you're back. Selfishly, we'll read you at the
38:54
Athletic as we always do, and we appreciate when you join Trent
38:56
and I Thank you, Scott. Dr. Man appreciate it.
38:59
Thanks for having me, appreciate you.
39:00
Good to talk to you Scott Dockerman as we check in on a
39:03
number of topics with the doc Good stuff out of doc.
39:06
So you're right. There's more guys that are
39:08
staying away from the NFL draft at the back end of the of the
39:11
draft. That makes sense.
39:13
I guess when you laid out the way that the doc does well done.
39:16
Take your time out transplays of the day or next.
39:18
He was five and one. Listen up.
39:21
His pick. It sounds like you're just
39:22
putting the hex. On me over there pressure's.
39:25
On Geez, are you taking the Mets or your Twinkies?
39:28
Neither. We'll find out who he's playing
39:30
next. It's the Iowa Sports Radio
39:32
Network. I'm Miller Condon.
39:34
Welcome back. Final couple of minutes in the
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39:46
So with Billy Donovan leaving the Bulls, you don't think he
39:49
goes? He doesn't get a college job
39:50
now, does he? Does this Kentucky fire Pope to
39:54
get in front of it? If they can get him, yeah.
39:56
You fire Hope yesterday. Self said.
39:59
He's coming back. That would be one that I would
40:02
think would intrigue him. Yes, absolutely.
40:05
A2 time national championship would be.
40:07
He's the fan base I would imagine as well.
40:09
Right. Or did you just sit out a year
40:11
and and become the number one target next year that?
40:15
Probably is the thing, but we continue to hear with the North
40:17
Carolina job, he wasn't interested in going back.
40:19
To college, true, but if you get AGM now, I mean you don't.
40:24
Have hearing Rick Barnes talk about it, He said if it wouldn't
40:28
change like this, he wouldn't still be coaching.
40:31
Yeah, but because it's now it's just.
40:33
It's not It's not what? It's about the buddy.
40:35
Right, you'd have to get in living rooms and convince.
40:37
Kids, it's not building 3-4 year relationships when you're an old
40:40
guy that gets taxi. Sure it does.
40:42
Today's environment. Hey, come visit our campus you
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like get the package. Class.
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Yeah, all. Right sign on the dime if you.
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Can get somewhere. If you get more somewhere else,
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good luck to. You right, it just simplifies it
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and I completely understand that perspective from a guy like
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that. So I think, yeah, the year off
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probably makes sense and just getting away from that just
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morbid organization. Yeah, man, they're terrible.
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No, they really are, no doubt about it.
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Speaking of terrible. Yes, Sir.
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Time for my picks of the day. Golden State for Billy Donovan.
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It's a good one, Jeff. Hold on.
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If if Curse curse going. You think so?
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Yeah. I, well, I listen to him.
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It sure sounds to me like he's got 1 foot out the door.
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Could Steph Curry say I got one more year?
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Can he stick around for one more?
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But does does he have one more year?
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Does that one does OK, but does he have enough to take care of
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his team for one more? One more with LeBron.
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Oh, now you're coming up with this.
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All right, so there's a tentacle.
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All right, take your tinfoil off.
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Make your picks. I am shocked.
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I have not had this many picks in a day in a long time.
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I know, I know, I know. All right, I'm just going to RIP
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through these quick Braves and the Nationals over 8 1/2.
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Sixers tonight. I'm grabbing the 14 1/2.
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Speaking of Boston on the ice, give me the Bruins plus 148,
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Baltimore plus 114 tonight in Kansas City.
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We stay in that game with the player prop Bobby Witt over 1
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1/2 total bases. Never bet those.
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Before, but your new your new helper.
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EV says that's the one, so we'll do that one.
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We're going to play two NBA props, Drew Holiday over 5 1/2
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assists, Darren Fox under 1 1/2, three pointers, and then three
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more late night because why not give me the mammoth, I've never
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said that before, Plus 140. The A's right back to the well
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again, plus 140, and I'm playing the Rockets tonight, minus the
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four in the hook. The Utah Mammoth even up with
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the VGK. We shall see.
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