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Sharri | 6 July · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sconge News.
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Speaker 2: This is Shari.
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Speaker 1: Well, good evening, thanks for joining me.
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Speaker 3: I'm James Macpherson filling in for Shari Marks and here's
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Speaker 3: what's coming up tonight. Anthony Albanezi is forced into a
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Speaker 3: humiliating apology over his crude Kylie Minogue comment. Cel Grover
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Speaker 3: joins me on the double standard from a prime minister
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Speaker 3: who lectures the country about respect for women. China sends
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Speaker 3: a nuclear capable warning shot into the South Pacific, and
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Speaker 3: Australia is a game left asking what Beijing is really
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Speaker 3: preparing for. James Odowity and Holly Hughes will weigh in
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Speaker 3: on that. And Iran stage is a funeral spectacular for
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Speaker 3: its slain supreme leader. But the new man, well, he's
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Speaker 3: nowhere to be seen. Former Israeli government spokesman Elon Levy
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Speaker 3: will join me live. But first, It's not often I
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Speaker 3: find myself nodding in furious agreement with a teal, but
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Speaker 3: Zali Stegel on this rare occasion was exactly right.
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Speaker 1: Today.
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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister's rather unedifying music about wanting to shag
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Speaker 3: Kylie Minogue should his marriage to Jody ever go? And
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Speaker 3: I quote Tits up, showed incredibly poor judgment and was
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Speaker 3: a masterclass in how not to treat the highest office
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Speaker 3: in the land.
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Speaker 1: I've just got married on only six months in.
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Speaker 4: Well, if it goes tits up, let's just pretend, oh Kylie,
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Speaker 4: clearly he married Kylie and Shagger and Data all of
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Speaker 4: the above.
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Speaker 1: All right, it's a triple Now.
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Speaker 3: Just imagine, if you will, if Peter Dutton had fantasized
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Speaker 3: on a podcast about who he'd like to sleep with
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Speaker 3: if his marriage securely ever ended, it would have been mageddon.
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Speaker 1: His political opponents, not to mention.
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Speaker 3: The media, but I repeat myself, would have been tripping
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Speaker 3: over each other in the stampede to damn him. Back
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Speaker 3: in twenty thirteen, when Big Brother was a thing, Tony
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Speaker 3: Abbott recorded a message encouraging the reality TV show's contestants
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Speaker 3: to vote for him at the federal election. Now, Big
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Speaker 3: Brother was aimed squarely at younger viewers, and so Abbott
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Speaker 3: recorded the message alongside his daughters, who were both aged
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Speaker 3: in their early twenties at the time.
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Speaker 5: So if you want a better garment funny, if you
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Speaker 5: want a country to be all it can be in
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Speaker 5: the years ahead, I reckon, We've got to change the
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Speaker 5: garment that we've got, So please don't forget to fill
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Speaker 5: out those postal applications. And if you want to know
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Speaker 5: who to vote for, I'm the guy with not looking.
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Speaker 6: Well.
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Speaker 3: The reaction from the media was less mild amusement and
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Speaker 3: more full scale cultural emergency. This wasn't a father boasting
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Speaker 3: that he had beautiful daughters, No no, this was a
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Speaker 3: man objectifying women, his own offspring, no less. The Sydney
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Speaker 3: Morning Herald called Tony Abbitt a creep and weird. The
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Speaker 3: Guardian accused Tony abbottav and I quote offering up his
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Speaker 3: own female children as an electoral treat. They described that
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Speaker 3: as an example of Tony Abbott's contemptuous woman hating and
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Speaker 3: warned the women of Australia just what if he becomes
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister do you think that will mean for you?
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Speaker 3: Whiles Ali Steger was honest enough to rebuke the PM,
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Speaker 3: she stressed that her quote criticism was not on behalf
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Speaker 3: of CSA or its co founder, Allegras Spender.
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Speaker 1: That did make me laugh.
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Speaker 3: The Community Strong Together Party has only been going eleven days.
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Speaker 1: There's just two of them in.
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Speaker 3: The party, both of them women, but they don't seem
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Speaker 3: to have a unified position on the treatment of women.
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Speaker 1: You might have thought, I don't know.
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Speaker 3: The Women's Minister might have something to say about the
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Speaker 3: PM of the country publicly speculating about how he'd like
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Speaker 3: to shag Kylie, but later Senator Katie Gallagher yesterday refused
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Speaker 3: to even say if the comments were inappropriate A what
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Speaker 3: about Social Services Minister Tanya Pliversk.
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Speaker 1: She was worse.
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Speaker 3: She went on Sunrise this morning and was asked not once,
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Speaker 3: not twice, three times if the PM should apologize?
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Speaker 4: Should the Prime Minister nip it in the bud and apologize? Well,
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Speaker 4: I haven't listened to the whole of the podcast, but
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Speaker 4: on this should he apologize? I'm not going to comment
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Speaker 4: on a podcast I haven't heard of.
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Speaker 7: Do you think there's anything to apologize for?
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Speaker 1: Or is it a fun Aussie game that lots of
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Speaker 1: people play.
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Speaker 4: Well, I'm not going to comment on a podcast I
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Speaker 4: haven't listened to.
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Speaker 3: I got to admit I watched Sunrise for Barnaby Joyce's
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Speaker 3: facial expressions. But do we really believe Tanya Plipsek hadn't
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Speaker 3: listened to the podcast? The New York Post was reporting
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Speaker 3: and I quote married Australian PM ant that the Albaneze
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Speaker 3: says he'd have sex with Kylie Minogue in wild podcast interview,
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Speaker 3: but Tanya Plipasek, who fancies herself as a rival to
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Speaker 3: Elbanzi in the event that his leadership goes what's that
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Speaker 3: say again, tits up, Well, she never listened to the podcast.
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Speaker 8: Not at all.
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Speaker 3: Really, even if that were true, Sunrise played the clip
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Speaker 3: for Tenure to see, so Tenua pliber sc finally came
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Speaker 3: out with this slightly confusing line.
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Speaker 4: If what the Prime Minister's saying is that he's a
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Speaker 4: fan of Kylie Minogue, I guess that puts him in
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Speaker 4: a minions and other Australians including me, including me, I'm
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Speaker 4: a big fan of Kylie's as well.
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Speaker 1: Huh.
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Speaker 3: It shouldn't have been difficult, should it. The PM himself admitted,
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Speaker 3: albeit belatedly, that the comments were wrong from Fiji, where
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Speaker 3: I suspect he's rather happy to be. Anthony Albaneze released
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Speaker 3: this six word statement quote, I apologize unequivocally for the comments.
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Speaker 3: Now we have to double check that Albaneze was apologizing
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Speaker 3: for his comments about Kylie, rather than his comments about
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Speaker 3: power price reductions or about no changes to capital gains,
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Speaker 3: tax people he has screwed over a still waiting for
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Speaker 3: an apology there. As for Kylie Minogue, well she's retained
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Speaker 3: a dignified silence on the whole issue. At least someone
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Speaker 3: has good judgment. But I've got to say her head
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Speaker 3: must be spinning.
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Speaker 9: Well.
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Speaker 3: China has test fired a nuclear capable long range missile
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Speaker 3: into the South Pacific Ocean, also known as our backyard.
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Speaker 3: According to a report in The Australian, the Albenzi government
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Speaker 3: was told at twelve thirty pm that a ballistic missile
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Speaker 3: armed with a dummy warhead would be coming our way.
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Speaker 3: We were apparently given twenty four hours notice. Fat lot
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Speaker 3: of good. That was just nineteen minutes later. Chinese state
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Speaker 3: owned media were already celebrating the launch. Shinwar reported a
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Speaker 3: strategic nuclear submarine of the Chinese People's Liberation Army successfully
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Speaker 3: launched a ballistic missile carrying a simulated training warhead into
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Speaker 3: the high seas of the Pacific Ocean. The report went
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Speaker 3: on to say that the missile accurately landed in the
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Speaker 3: designated area. This missile test was a routine part of
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Speaker 3: China's annual military training program and relevant countries had been
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Speaker 3: notified in advance. We're firing a ballistic missile in your direction.
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Speaker 1: But don't worry.
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Speaker 3: It's just a routine training program. Isn't exactly reassuring? Is
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Speaker 3: it routine since when? And routine training training for what?
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Speaker 3: And as for being notified in advance, well barely speaking
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Speaker 3: of timing. This routine ballistic missile training exercise came within
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Speaker 3: hours of Anthony Albanese announcing a new security deal with Fiji,
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Speaker 3: a deal specifically designed to counter China's influence in our region.
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Speaker 3: The Ocean of Peace Alliance, as it's been called, commits
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Speaker 3: our two nations to defending each other in the event
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Speaker 3: of an attack on either. Fiji's Prime minister said the
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Speaker 3: agreement was not a threat to his or to Australia's
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Speaker 3: relationship with China.
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Speaker 8: Today, itsent a very defining moment our relationship. It does
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Speaker 8: not threaten Fiji's relationship with China, nor Australia's relationship with China.
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Speaker 8: And as we have made it very clearly in the past,
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Speaker 8: your enemies are not necessarily in my enemies.
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Speaker 3: And China answered with a missile test from a nuclear submarine.
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Speaker 3: Let's be honest. It wasn't a test so much as
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Speaker 3: a warning. While Canberra was busy unveiling another glossy regional partnership,
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Speaker 3: Beijing was demonstrating the sort of hardware that tends to
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Speaker 3: make such partnerships rather academic.
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Speaker 2: He was Penny Wan, this underscooes the imperative of countries
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Speaker 2: of the region to work together to ensure that it
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Speaker 2: is Pacific countries termine our futures.
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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, in the same sense that neighborhood watch is
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Speaker 3: important while the bloke down the street is parking a
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Speaker 3: tank outside your house.
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Speaker 1: Let's be real.
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Speaker 3: Does anyone seriously imagine that in the event of an
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Speaker 3: attack from China our deal with Fiji is going to
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Speaker 3: make much difference. What might make a difference is a
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Speaker 3: serious and genuine commitment to defense force spending. China, Well,
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Speaker 3: they've got guided missiles, We have guided tours of future
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Speaker 3: defense force capabilities. If we still exist as a nation
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Speaker 3: by the time they come to fruition. We're spending a
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Speaker 3: fortune trying to change the weather by the end of
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Speaker 3: the century, while the strategic balance in our region is changing.
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Speaker 1: By the week.
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Speaker 3: Even more perversely, we continue sending vast sums of money
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Speaker 3: to China for wind turbine, solar panels and components that
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Speaker 3: leave us more dependent on Beijing while making our own
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Speaker 3: industry less competitive.
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Speaker 1: What does Beijing do with the rivers of cash flowing
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Speaker 1: its way.
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Speaker 3: Well, this afternoon they showed us with a splash. They've
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Speaker 3: got ballistic missiles. We've got really nice evs that they
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Speaker 3: can turn off. Here's the really crazy part. There's more
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Speaker 3: than a few people within the Labor Party and certainly
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Speaker 3: within the Greens, who are probably happy to see China
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Speaker 3: testing ballistic weapons in our region today.
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Speaker 1: They'd see it not as.
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Speaker 3: A threat but as a good thing, you know, to
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Speaker 3: protect us from America. Well, for more on China's missile test,
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Speaker 3: I'm joined now by The Daily Telegraph State political editor
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Speaker 3: James A. Doherity and former Liberal Senator Holly Hughes.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to you both.
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Speaker 3: I want to go quickly to Penny Wong and just
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Speaker 3: hear what she said today about this test.
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Speaker 1: Have a look.
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Speaker 2: Australia has been clear with China that we regard this
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Speaker 2: as destabilizing to the region. Australia has been clear that
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Speaker 2: these proposal are This proposed test is in the context
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Speaker 2: of a rapid military build up by China, which is
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Speaker 2: lacking in the transparency and reassurance as to intend that
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Speaker 2: the region expects.
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Speaker 1: Holly, let me start with you.
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Speaker 3: Why do Labor always sound surprised when China behaves exactly
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Speaker 3: like a hostile strategic competitor.
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Speaker 10: I'm still trying to work out what she was actually
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Speaker 10: trying to say there. That was just an absolute word
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Speaker 10: salad that I don't think meant anything at all. I mean,
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Speaker 10: the reality is, and you made some very valid points.
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Speaker 10: We have opened the front door to China, not only
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Speaker 10: with the wind turbines and solar and the electric vehicles
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Speaker 10: that you mentioned, but also the interconnectors that are used
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Speaker 10: to put all of that renewable energy into the grid.
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Speaker 10: Every single one of them comes from China. But this
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Speaker 10: is definitely a show of strength. It's a demonstration that
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Speaker 10: their missiles can hit anywhere in Australia. But why should
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Speaker 10: we be worried with Anthony Ibanezi talking about Kylie and
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Speaker 10: I go on a podcast. I mean, it just shows
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Speaker 10: the insanity of this government that they don't understand it's
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Speaker 10: important to Australians. They don't understand that the security of
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Speaker 10: all Australians is their primary responsibility. And they're too busy
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Speaker 10: off just fluffing around trying to be the cool kids
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Speaker 10: in the classroom.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Holly makes an excellent point, James.
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Speaker 3: The missile directed our way does kind of put the
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Speaker 3: podcast into some context, doesn't it.
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Speaker 11: Yes, it does. And look, China says this is a
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Speaker 11: routine test, but routine only in the sense that they're
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Speaker 11: continuing to do exactly what they've been doing for the
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Speaker 11: last couple of years and show that strength in our region,
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Speaker 11: in our backyard. I was going to say, at least
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Speaker 11: we got some warning this time, unlike when they certain
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Speaker 11: navigated Australia, huh without telling the alban Easy government. But
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Speaker 11: this goes to show just how important Australia's security in
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Speaker 11: this region is. And in relation to the partnerships that
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Speaker 11: the government is signing with specific neighbors, I think it's
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Speaker 11: not an either or. It's not either partnerships in the Pacific.
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Speaker 11: It's partnerships in the Pacific and more defense spending. Because
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Speaker 11: whilst China is showing this massive show of strength, it's
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Speaker 11: also been for years trying to get that soft power
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Speaker 11: diplomacy in the Pacific, which is something that the alban
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Speaker 11: EASi government has really been trying to counter as well,
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Speaker 11: and that is something that will bring more strength and
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Speaker 11: stability to Australia and the Age Pacific.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you absolutely because of course, wholly
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Speaker 3: what we don't want is China establishing a foothold in
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Speaker 3: the South Pacific, ie in nations like Fiji or others
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Speaker 3: that might be tempted to take Beijing's cash in return
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Speaker 3: for giving them leverage in our region. So James point
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Speaker 3: is absolutely true. Well, at the same time, as I
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Speaker 3: said in our editorial, if push ever came to shove,
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Speaker 3: if we haven't the capability to defend ourselves, then these
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Speaker 3: partnerships really don't make much of a difference, do.
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Speaker 10: They well, And whilst it is important from the soft
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Speaker 10: diplomacy perspectives mentioned, the reality is these aren't countries with
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Speaker 10: strong defense forces of their own. You know, it's not
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Speaker 10: like they're going to be in a position to necessarily
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Speaker 10: back us up. So really the goal of this is
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Speaker 10: to ensure China doesn't get that foothold with military bases
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Speaker 10: on those South Pacific nations. But you know what impact
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Speaker 10: is it going to have when it comes to the
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Speaker 10: real defense credibility of our country? I don't think terribly much,
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Speaker 10: and I think today's exercise potentially shows that they don't
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Speaker 10: necessarily need a military base in the region. Obviously they
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Speaker 10: want one, but they can hit us without it anyway.
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Speaker 3: All right, let's move on to power prices. The Daily
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Speaker 3: Telegraph reporting that Australian households have now paid nearly twenty
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Speaker 3: three billion dollars extra for power since Labor came to office,
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Speaker 3: despite Anthie Albanezi promising before that election bills would fall
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Speaker 3: by two hundred and seventy five dollars James in the
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Speaker 3: South Wales bills are up by more than fifty percent.
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Speaker 3: This is unforgivable by the government, is it not? How
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Speaker 3: could they possibly win an election after this?
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Speaker 11: It's another example of the broken promise problem that Albaneze has,
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Speaker 11: whether it's on this on power prices or on changes
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Speaker 11: negative gearing and capital gains tax as well. And a
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Speaker 11: lot of this price that New South Wales and Australians
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Speaker 11: are paying for power comes because of the billions of
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Speaker 11: dollars that we're spending building these renewable energy transmission lines.
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Speaker 11: There's a particular project in New England where the Men's
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Speaker 11: government is looking to spend billions of dollars building massive
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Speaker 11: high voltage power lines between Musclebrook and Walker. That's something
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Speaker 11: that is causing an awful headache for the government there
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Speaker 11: and set to cost billions of dollars as well. So
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Speaker 11: here in New South Wales. That's set to become an
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Speaker 11: election issue next year when Kelly Sloan goes to the
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Speaker 11: election promising to scrap that project. But again it's this
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Speaker 11: broken promise problem that the Albanezy government has.
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Speaker 3: Of course, twenty three billion dollars over four years would
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Speaker 3: be kind of useful for our defense department at the moment, Holly.
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Speaker 3: We did get a small admission from Chris Bowen yesterday,
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Speaker 3: have a listened to this.
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Speaker 12: Energy bills are too high. That's the result of a
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Speaker 12: couple of things as a result of an international energy crisis,
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Speaker 12: particularly around Ukraine, that we had to deal with as
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Speaker 12: a result of ten years of denial and delay. We
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Speaker 12: have a plan to make that better. The coalition has
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Speaker 12: a plan to make it worse.
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Speaker 3: Just ignore everything James o'dawity just said about the cost
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Speaker 3: of transmission lines and all that stuff.
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Speaker 1: It's it's Ukraine that's the problem, Holly.
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Speaker 10: I mean, it's always someone else's fault with this slot
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Speaker 10: and it's just extraordinary. I did note James just made
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Speaker 10: the point that this will become a big New South
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Speaker 10: Wales state election. The problem Kelly Sloan's got is that
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Speaker 10: they are still signed up to net zero despite the
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Speaker 10: federal Liberal Party walking walking away from it. I think people,
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Speaker 10: particularly in rule and regional areas of New South Wales,
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Speaker 10: want these renewable energy zones gone all together. They don't
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Speaker 10: want to be impacted in the way that they are,
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Speaker 10: and particularly being bulldozed into this stuff quite literally onto
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Speaker 10: their property. You know, property rights are important in this country.
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Speaker 10: Yet we're seeing this race to renewables not only pushing
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Speaker 10: up the cost, not only doing significant environmental damage, but
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Speaker 10: it is eroding the property rights of landowners across rural
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Speaker 10: and regional New South Wales. And it's just absolutely got
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Speaker 10: to stop. It's just pathetic and the fact that we
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Speaker 10: aren't investing in more cold fire power, you know, this
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Speaker 10: moratorium on nuclear forget everything else. That just needs to
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Speaker 10: go full stop, end of story, because you know, for
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Speaker 10: lack of a better description, a nuclear power plant can
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Speaker 10: just plug into the current transmission lines and grid that
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Speaker 10: we've got versus us having to duplicate it at such
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Speaker 10: an extreme cost and getting it all from China.
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Speaker 1: That's a really good policy, Holly.
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure this Liberal Party took that to election
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Speaker 3: and really stuck with it, rather than mentioning it once
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Speaker 3: and then forgetting about it quickly before.
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Speaker 1: I could go many many things on the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 10: There's a reason I'm not a member anymore.
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Speaker 3: If only we had more time, Holly, I would indulge
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Speaker 3: you just quickly. Pauline Hanson is in London this week
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Speaker 3: to compare notes with Nigel Farage after Barnaby Joyce said
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Speaker 3: One Nation could learn from reform UK's extraordinary rise.
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Speaker 9: Have listened if you look at the Pauline is about
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Speaker 9: become a Prime Minister of England. And I think Pauline's
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Speaker 9: doing and One Nation are doing incredibly well. And I
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Speaker 9: suppose they should be crossing notes about where do you
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Speaker 9: go forward from here? And I think that's a very
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Speaker 9: sensible thing to do.
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Speaker 3: Fair enough, James, maybe the Liberals should go over and
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Speaker 3: have a chat with Nigel Farage as well.
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Speaker 1: They could learn how to be conservatives.
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Speaker 11: Or they could swap notes with Pauline Hanson as some
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Speaker 11: of their members are now openly calling for I do
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Speaker 11: think it's interesting that Pauline Hansen is going over to
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Speaker 11: meet Nigel Farage. Paul and Hanson has been doing this
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Speaker 11: for a long time, longer Thange too. Maybe Paul and
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Speaker 11: Hanson is the one that's going to be giving Nigel
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Speaker 11: Farage some tips after that result in the Makerfield by election.
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Speaker 11: But I do think that the Liberal Party does need
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Speaker 11: to compare notes with Paul and Hanson and work out
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Speaker 11: how they can both exist in this electoral landscape. As
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Speaker 11: many of their members say, they should.
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Speaker 3: Very quickly, Holly, because I've got to go. But who
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Speaker 3: has most to gain by a coalition between the Liberal
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Speaker 3: National Parties and One Nation? Is that a better arrangement
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Speaker 3: for the Libs and that's or for One Nation?
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Speaker 10: Well, I think what's interesting is the Liberals and so
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Speaker 10: many of them seem to be rolling the white flag
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Speaker 10: out saying hey, let's do a power sharing. That's certainly
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Speaker 10: something that One Nations not interested in doing. When you
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Speaker 10: come to the New South Wales state election, there's not
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Speaker 10: compulsory preferential voting, so you know, the next Victorian election
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Speaker 10: and there's the New South Wales state election, and then
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Speaker 10: getting to a federal election, there's a lot of water
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Speaker 10: to go under the bridg But if you look at
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Speaker 10: where the Liberal Party is sitting at the moment in
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Speaker 10: the National Party, I think it's really they need to
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Speaker 10: be talking to one nation at this point in time,
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Speaker 10: not expecting to sort of laud it over in any
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Speaker 10: way that they're somehow the historic power party of government
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Speaker 10: and therefore you know that will remain the case. I
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Speaker 10: think there's some interesting times ahead.
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Speaker 3: Well don't the Chinese say, may you be cursed to
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Speaker 3: live in interesting times? What a good note to finish on.
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Speaker 1: Holy Hughes, James A. Dowite, appreciate you both joining me.
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Speaker 3: All right, let's turn our attention to the Royal Commission,
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Speaker 3: where the spotlight was moved to tech companies and how
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Speaker 3: they're policing or not policing hateful social media posts. Today, Meta,
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Speaker 3: the owner of Facebook and Instagram, sent in their director
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Speaker 3: of Content Policy, Benjamin Good.
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Speaker 1: The main bone of contention was how Meta has.
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Speaker 3: Shifted from proactive moderation, using AI to automatically delete posts
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Speaker 3: deemed as hateful. They've gone from that to reactive moderation,
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Speaker 3: removing posts only after complaints had been received.
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Speaker 13: Again, the gold standard, of course, would be to remove
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Speaker 13: every single piece of violating content before anyone ever sees it.
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Speaker 13: But I'll also add that that would also include never
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Speaker 13: over enforcing against content. Over enforcement poses significant risk to
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Speaker 13: the communities that we try to protect as well. For instance,
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Speaker 13: we've heard from Jewish communities and others in times of
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Speaker 13: crisis that they've had content removed when they were actually
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Speaker 13: trying to speak out against atrocities or for instance, condemn
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Speaker 13: a terrorist group like amas SO.
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Speaker 3: Data presented at the Royal Commission today showed the number
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Speaker 3: of hate speech posts removed by META had declined by
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Speaker 3: around seventy percent in the past year. So has this
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Speaker 3: policy change allowed antisemitic material to flourish? And whose job
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Speaker 3: is it to police that material? To help answer those questions,
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Speaker 3: I'm joined now by Shadow Education Minister Julian Lisa Metas
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Speaker 3: says they're not there to police offensiveness. They're right, actually,
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Speaker 3: aren't they to not be interfering in people's free speech?
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Speaker 14: Well, James, free speech is important, but anti Semitism is
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Speaker 14: not free speech. Let me tell you a little bit
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Speaker 14: about my personal history. My family's been in this country
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Speaker 14: since eighteen forty one. My great grandfather was an anzac
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Speaker 14: at Gallipolian at the charge of the Lighthorse. My grandfather
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Speaker 14: was on the Burma railway and a prisoner of Orient Changi.
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Speaker 14: And yet almost every day on my Facebook I am
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Speaker 14: called a traitor and a Mossad agent, and there's words
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Speaker 14: around sexual violence and other things that I just can't
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Speaker 14: repeat on your program. I'm a public figure and you
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Speaker 14: cop some of this stuff. But this is the experience
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Speaker 14: of Jewish Australians generally, and I think people are sick
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Speaker 14: of it, and the social media companies do need to
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Speaker 14: step up. They do need to do better in terms
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Speaker 14: of taking some of this down.
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Speaker 3: Where's the line do you think between protecting free speech,
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Speaker 3: which has enabled to be the great country it is,
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Speaker 3: and at the same time allowing anti Semitic abuse to
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Speaker 3: run rampant.
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Speaker 1: How do you delineate between those two things.
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Speaker 14: Well, I think that's one of the things that the
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Speaker 14: Royal Commission will deal with. But it's also why it's
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Speaker 14: really important to adopt definitions of anti Semitism so people
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Speaker 14: understand exactly what it is that we're dealing with. And
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Speaker 14: I've been a long advocate of the International Holocaust Remembrance
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Speaker 14: Allion's definition, which says that legitimate criticism of the government
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Speaker 14: of Israel is not anti semitism, but you know, holding
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Speaker 14: Jews responsible for the actions of the Government of Israel
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Speaker 14: is anti Semitism. What we're seeing, particularly since BONDI, is
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Speaker 14: a massive explosion in anti Semitic haight online and particularly
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Speaker 14: on social media platforms since December last year. And I
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Speaker 14: think it's got worse, not better.
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Speaker 3: What did you make of Meta's reasoning that the danger
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Speaker 3: in automatically just removing problematic posts without waiting or a
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Speaker 3: complaint meant that posts which were not problematic. Indeed, some
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Speaker 3: posts that were supportive of the Jewish community were also deleted.
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Speaker 14: I don't think Met as a particularly good actor in
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Speaker 14: this regard. I think those excuses ring thin to me.
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Speaker 14: I know that there have been plenty of Jewish community
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Speaker 14: organizations that have talked about the need to take some
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Speaker 14: of these things down. I mean, they regularly change the
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Speaker 14: words that are being used on these posts.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 14: I have things like Hitler should have finished the job,
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Speaker 14: he should come back and finish the job put on
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Speaker 14: my Facebook page and other Meta apps. I have references
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Speaker 14: to him as the painter. I should stop kissing the wall,
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Speaker 14: referring to the Western Wall in Jerusalem. They've just got
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Speaker 14: to keep up with this stuff. It's part of their job,
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Speaker 14: it's part of their social license to operate. And I
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Speaker 14: think that'd be a view that's widely held in the
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Speaker 14: Jewish community in Australia and widely held by right thinking Australians.
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Speaker 3: Just very quickly, because I want to ask you about
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Speaker 3: Anthony Albanezi and his attack on the in a second,
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Speaker 3: but just very quickly, you mentioned that the outpouring of
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Speaker 3: anti Semitism has gone up after the Bondai terror attack.
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Speaker 3: I just got to comment when you said that, that
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Speaker 3: always shocks and stuns me because you would have thought
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Speaker 3: after what we saw at Bondi, everybody would have just
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Speaker 3: gone whole and taken a big step back.
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Speaker 1: It must be incredibly.
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Speaker 3: Disheartening and that's an understatement to see what's happened since then.
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Speaker 14: Well it is James and right under the nose of
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Speaker 14: the Royal Commission. People have been thumbing their nose at
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Speaker 14: the Royal Commission. Whether it was Ondre Sydney University publication
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Speaker 14: that was calling for us to celebrate the work of Hamas,
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Speaker 14: whether it was the Sydney Council that had to be
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Speaker 14: dragged kicking and screaming not to allow hateful things that
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Speaker 14: call for the murder of Jewish Australians to be set
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Speaker 14: at an event that was being held in some of
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Speaker 14: their property. But we just see this almost as a
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Speaker 14: daily occurrence, but on social media it has absolutely got
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Speaker 14: worse and ex exponentially so just really quickly.
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Speaker 3: Anthony Albanisi has sharpened his attack on the right, using
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Speaker 3: his speech at the New South Wales Labor Conference yesterday
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Speaker 3: to brand the Liberals, Nationals and One Nation the axis
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Speaker 3: of grievance. Julian that was the phrase he used. What
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Speaker 3: did you think about that? And don't you think the
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Speaker 3: real grievances Australians are poorer, power bills are higher and
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Speaker 3: labor doesn't take any responsibility.
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Speaker 14: I couldn't agree more. James Anthony Alberanezi is good at
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Speaker 14: lying and lines like focus group lines. That's all these are.
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Speaker 14: It's because he's saying these things because he's lied to
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Speaker 14: the Australian people about his taxes. He's lost complete control
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Speaker 14: of the economy. I mean, Australians are so much worse
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Speaker 14: off today than they were when he was first elected.
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Speaker 14: Inflation has got completely out of control, and rather than
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Speaker 14: addressing it by cutting spending and cutting red tape, the
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Speaker 14: government just spends and spends and spends. And these taxes
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Speaker 14: are taking a baseball back to confidence in our economy.
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Speaker 14: Our labor pats themselves on the back at their national
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Speaker 14: conference and cheers as their taxes are past. People in
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Speaker 14: my electorate, hard working Australians, are in tears that the
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Speaker 14: thought that they've worked hard, they've saved, they've invested, they've
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Speaker 14: done the right thing, and now Anthony Albernezi is punishing them.
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Speaker 3: Just two very quick questions, then we're going to go
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Speaker 3: to a break, just fast ones the Liberal National Coalition.
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Speaker 1: Are they a party of grievance? Yes? Or no?
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Speaker 14: No, We're a party of government.
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Speaker 1: And one nation. Are they a party of grievance?
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Speaker 14: Yes they are?
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Speaker 3: Okay, Julian, Lisa, appreciate your time tonight, Thanks so much.
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Speaker 3: All right, coming up after the break, Aarhan's funeral spectacular
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Speaker 3: takes a dark turn with kill Trump placards on display
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Speaker 3: and its new supreme leaders still missing. Elon Levy joins
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Speaker 3: me after the break, plus Anthony Albanzi forced into a
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Speaker 3: humiliating apology over that crude Kylie Minogue podcast moment.
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Speaker 1: Sel Grover will join me after this welcome back.
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Speaker 3: Well, as I said at the top of the show,
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Speaker 3: Anthony Albanezi has now been forced to apologize unequivocally after
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Speaker 3: going on a podcast and saying hid shag Kylie Minogue
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Speaker 3: if his marriage went tits up, while also joking about
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Speaker 3: sex with his wife six months in absolutely.
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Speaker 4: Still bonk and light rabbits.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know when we have time.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's fair. That's what happens when you get married.
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Speaker 4: You're to schedule it, don't you.
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Speaker 3: After the foot after the forty A good afrodisiac at
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Speaker 3: South Win. So take comments like those along with Labour's
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Speaker 3: stubborn refusal to even countenance restoring biological protections for women
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Speaker 3: in law, and it's a little wonder there are a
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Speaker 3: few people upset today. Joining me now is women's rights
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Speaker 3: advocate Cell Grover. Cell, thanks so much for coming on
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Speaker 3: the program. What did you make of the podcast?
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Speaker 7: I have a sense of humor like everyone else. I
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Speaker 7: have a sense of humor, to the point that I
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Speaker 7: was actually fined in in court over what a woman
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Speaker 7: is for laughing at a picture of a man. So yeah,
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Speaker 7: I can laugh at things, and sure I get what
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Speaker 7: he was doing, so I don't want to like create
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Speaker 7: fake outrage. But my problem is is that he is
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Speaker 7: sort of doing these like try to be cool guy
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Speaker 7: remarks against women at the same time as he is
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Speaker 7: dismissing women's rights as a cultural war. And it's like, well,
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Speaker 7: hang on, where's the cultural war here, buddy, Because you're
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Speaker 7: quite happy to start one yourself if it works in
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Speaker 7: your favor, but if it's actually in the favor of women,
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Speaker 7: you won't do anything about it.
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Speaker 3: Do you think that the Prime Minister should be held
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Speaker 3: to a higher standard than what we saw on that podcast?
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Speaker 7: Like yeah, it goes without saying like a little bit
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Speaker 7: of decorum here, and like, you know, you're not just
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Speaker 7: a newly married man. You are the leader of a country,
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Speaker 7: and can you please have respect for fifty percent of
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Speaker 7: your population but also lead by example for all of
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Speaker 7: the men and boys in this country and not sort
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Speaker 7: of degreet us. We've all played these sort of pub games,
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Speaker 7: you know what I mean, We've all done it. But
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Speaker 7: at the same time, when you are the leader of
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Speaker 7: a country and a podcast, you're not in a pub
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Speaker 7: and you're not playing a game, so yeah, don't do it.
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Speaker 1: Definitely.
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister Richard Miles defended Albanese, offering up this explanation.
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Speaker 1: Have listened.
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Speaker 15: The government that the Prime mister leads is the first
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Speaker 15: government in ancients history which has had an equality in
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Speaker 15: terms of the numbers of men and women in cabinet.
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Speaker 3: So Richard Miles says, nothing to see here. I mean
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Speaker 3: our government has been incredible on women's rights.
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Speaker 1: You'd agree with that.
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Speaker 7: Wouldn't you. No, I wouldn't at all. And I mean
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Speaker 7: if they want to sit there and bang on about
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Speaker 7: how many women they've got in government, in cabinet, whatever
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Speaker 7: they want to talk about, well that it just establishes
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Speaker 7: that they know what a woman is. And that's our
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Speaker 7: entire point over here, is that we want what a
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Speaker 7: woman is accurately defined in law. So the whole problem
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Speaker 7: is is that Albanezi is dismissing women's rights as a
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Speaker 7: cultural war. He won't let bills get up, which was
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Speaker 7: which happened last week to Senator Cash and Senator Hanson.
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Speaker 7: He won't do anything about actual women's sex based rights,
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Speaker 7: but he'll sit there and talk about women in relation
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Speaker 7: to sex and I think that that's quite vulgar in
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Speaker 7: just relation to that that there's fifty percent of the
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Speaker 7: population who was sitting here saying we would really appreciate you,
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Speaker 7: like loosely, we would very appreciate you to do something
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Speaker 7: about this, and he's doing nothing. He's dismissing us, but
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Speaker 7: one it benefits him, he'll apologize, but he's not actually
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Speaker 7: doing anything. This is the whole problem here is that
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Speaker 7: it's just all talk, it's no action. It's just it
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Speaker 7: can't only be something that is done if it only
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Speaker 7: impacts him. It has to be when it impacts the
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Speaker 7: rest of us as well. And I think this is
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Speaker 7: very present in the entire Prime ministership.
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Speaker 3: Well, so you said, you know, he needs to show
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Speaker 3: more respect for fifty percent of the population, but fifty
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Speaker 3: six percent of the labor caucus are women. What did
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Speaker 3: you think of labor MPs female MPs ducking and weaving
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Speaker 3: rather than simply agreeing Albanize's comments were inappropriate.
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Speaker 7: Well, that just proves that everybody will just go in
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Speaker 7: for policy and politics. Let's just go with whatever the
32:35
Speaker 7: party line is. Like, we all know that every single
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Speaker 7: one of those women and men who are in labor
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Speaker 7: if they have the opportunity to take this cheap shot
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Speaker 7: at the Liberals or Nationals or one nation, they would
32:50
Speaker 7: do it in a heartbeat, of course, because it's politics.
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Speaker 7: We all know how it works. So they're really just
32:56
Speaker 7: exposing themselves there and in the event and they want
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Speaker 7: to come out of this and go, oh, look how
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Speaker 7: great we are. Most of our fifty six percent of
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Speaker 7: our people are women. Great again, so you know what
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Speaker 7: a woman is. Please put us accurately in law. Like,
33:15
Speaker 7: we're just going to keep coming back to this baseline
33:18
Speaker 7: because it's correct, it's reality, and you can't beat us
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Speaker 7: on this.
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Speaker 1: We just want women's.
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Speaker 7: Rights in law. And it's just appalling that we're having
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Speaker 7: to watch a prime minister be sort of this vulgar
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Speaker 7: and this sort of flagrant about women and women's rights,
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Speaker 7: but then when it actually comes to the crunch do
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Speaker 7: absolutely nothing about it. We're just saying, can you actually
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Speaker 7: please do something, Can you actually do your job, because
33:44
Speaker 7: I'm over here as a private citizen doing it for you,
33:47
Speaker 7: and I'm quite tired.
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Speaker 3: You talked about politicians just towing the party line. I've
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Speaker 3: always wanted to ask you, do you ever have contact
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Speaker 3: from labor MPs who toe the public line but then
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Speaker 3: privately say to you she, We're really sorry for what
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Speaker 3: you're going through and we really don't agree, but you know,
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Speaker 3: our hands are kind of tied. Do those conversations happen offline?
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Speaker 7: Yes they do, Yeah, they do. I do have a meeting.
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Speaker 7: I'm actually quite excited excited about it. I have a
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Speaker 7: meeting with the Minister for Women, Senator Keita Gallagher Lader
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Speaker 7: this month, which I'm really looking forward to. I've never
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Speaker 7: spoken to her before, and I've really wanted to because
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Speaker 7: i really want to explain to her what our position
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Speaker 7: is so that she can't go into the Senate and
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Speaker 7: shut down bills from Senator Cash or Sanator Hanson and
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Speaker 7: just say, you know this is about gender or whatever. No, No,
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Speaker 7: there are women's sex based rights in play, and this
34:49
Speaker 7: is really really important. So in a few weeks I
34:52
Speaker 7: will be talking to her for a little bit and
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Speaker 7: I'm optimistic and I hope that she is as optimistic
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Speaker 7: as I am about being able to just come to
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Speaker 7: an understanding. Doesn't have to agree with me on every
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Speaker 7: single bed. I'm not trying to capture anyone with any
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Speaker 7: kind of ideology. I'm in the opposite of that game.
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Speaker 7: I just want to be able to see to her
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Speaker 7: this is the reality of what we're doing there.
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Speaker 16: Can you please get on board with this?
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Speaker 3: So I'm just astonished that the Minister for Women has
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Speaker 3: never picked up the phone and had a conversation with you.
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Speaker 3: That astounds me. I appreciate you joining me tonight. Thanks
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Speaker 3: so much for your time. All right, we're coming.
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Speaker 1: Up after the break.
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Speaker 3: Did Donald Trump just get FIFA to bend the rules
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Speaker 3: at the World Cup?
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Speaker 1: Kosher Gada on that later.
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Speaker 3: And despite his dad's funeral, Iran's new Supreme leader is wounded, hidden,
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Speaker 3: and nowhere to be seen. Elon Levy joins me next.
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Speaker 3: The Iranian regime has staged the massive funeral spectacular for
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Speaker 3: their slain Supreme leader, with three of his sons seen
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Speaker 3: morning beside his coffin, But the son who now matters
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Speaker 3: most new Supreme Leader, moch Tabar Homona, was nowhere to
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Speaker 3: be seen. Moch Tabar was wounded in the same Israeli
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Speaker 3: strike that killed his father, but four months on he's
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Speaker 3: not been seen in public. If he's even alive, he's
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Speaker 3: in hiding. With the extent of his injuries and his
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Speaker 3: actual authority still unclear. It was your classic supreme leader
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Speaker 3: funeral with a bit of open incitement, crowds chanting revenge, revenge,
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Speaker 3: an a reging poet declaring Trump's assassination our duty, and
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Speaker 3: placards in English reading kill Trump and Trump must be killed.
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Speaker 3: So not that different to your average Propellestinian march in
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Speaker 3: Sydney to be honest. For more on this, I'm joined
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Speaker 3: by former Israeli government spokesperson Elon Levy.
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Speaker 1: Elon, great to see you again.
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Speaker 3: How significant is it that Iran's new Supreme leader is
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Speaker 3: still nowhere to be seen?
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Speaker 16: Yea, he has seen Mojit of a Hermone since he
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Speaker 16: became the Supreme Leader. Frankly, no one knows whether he's alive,
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Speaker 16: Comato's disfigured, or what situation he's in. And that tells
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Speaker 16: us that Iran is now under the control of the
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Speaker 16: Islamic Revolutionary god Core and they're plotting to rebuild their
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Speaker 16: control in the Middle East. But we're seeing in Tehran
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Speaker 16: and around Iran now it's less a funeral and more
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Speaker 16: a super villain convention. They're bringing together all the worst
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Speaker 16: people in the world, from Hamas and Hezbola and the
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Speaker 16: Huthis to plot together how to thwart the peace process
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Speaker 16: in the Middle East, how to subjugate the region, and
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Speaker 16: how to continue to enslave the whole area in pursuit
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Speaker 16: of Iran's ambitions of world domination. And it doesn't matter
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Speaker 16: whether Mojda Harmonae is alive or not. The fact is
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Speaker 16: this is where the regime is going.
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Speaker 13: And the sooner.
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Speaker 16: America realizes that they're trying to string it along in negotiations,
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Speaker 16: the better.
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Speaker 1: I've got to admit Elon.
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Speaker 3: When I'm watching vision of the funeral and you've got,
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Speaker 3: you know, people from Hamma Mas senior leadership there, from
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Speaker 3: Hezbollahuti's how tempting would it have been for the US
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Speaker 3: for Israel to strike at the funeral? Or would that
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Speaker 3: just be too big a strike that would you explode
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Speaker 3: into all out war everywhere?
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Speaker 16: Right now, the United States is trying to give diplomacy
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Speaker 16: a chance, but I think anyone with their head screwed
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Speaker 16: on can see the Iranian regime doesn't want a deal.
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Speaker 16: And that's not just because of the crowds chanting revenge
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Speaker 16: or death to America or we want Trump's head. And
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Speaker 16: it's not just because the regimes in the Strait of
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Speaker 16: Hormuz and trying to rebuild Hezbolla. This is a regime
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Speaker 16: that has not given up its dreams of nuclear weapons,
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Speaker 16: that is continuing to build in the illegal Pickaxe Mountain facility,
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Speaker 16: nuclear facility deep under a mountain, even as negotiations are
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Speaker 16: going on. They're not using this time to negotiate a
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Speaker 16: deal with They're using this time to expand that nuclear
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Speaker 16: project and rebuild the military machine that was ravaged in
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Speaker 16: this war. And we need to return to maximum pressure
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Speaker 16: on the Iranian regime. You can't appease a regime that
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Speaker 16: is holding such a funeral with chance of death and
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Speaker 16: revenge in the streets. You'd have to tackle it head on.
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Speaker 16: We hope America realizes what it's up against.
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Speaker 3: Speaking of America, just quickly, the relationship between Israel and
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Speaker 3: the US has been tense, and I guess there's always
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Speaker 3: been tension between US presidents and Israeli leaders. What's peculiar,
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Speaker 3: I suppose at the moment is some of it is
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Speaker 3: being made public. Where do you see the relationship at present?
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Speaker 3: We don't expect them always to agree either eye, But
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Speaker 3: are you confident that Trump and netn Yahoo will go
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Speaker 3: the distance.
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Speaker 5: Oh.
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Speaker 16: Look, of course, different countries have different opinions about the
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Speaker 16: strategic situation, and that's to be expected. For a while
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Speaker 16: they were aligned, like really, no two allies of ben
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Speaker 16: in war in a long time. But now the different
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Speaker 16: as I've come upon, And that's because because America has
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Speaker 16: a lot more tolerance for risk, a lot more appetite
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Speaker 16: to wrap up this war, even if it allows the
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Speaker 16: Iranian regime to take over the Strait of Hormones and
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Speaker 16: rebuild its military machine, because America is so many thousands
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Speaker 16: of miles away. But in the Middle East, you're seeing
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Speaker 16: a lot of concern about what it means for the
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Speaker 16: Iranian regime to rebuild its proxy armies, rebuild its polistic missiles,
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Speaker 16: rebuild its nuclear program. And frankly, you see frustration from
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Speaker 16: the Americans again, President Trump threatening every once in a
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Speaker 16: while or return to the war because he's getting frustrated
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Speaker 16: as well that the Iranian regime is not serious about
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Speaker 16: a deal coming over. I think to the Israeli perspective
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Speaker 16: that this is an Iranian rules all along.
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Speaker 3: Elil Levy always could the chat. I appreciate you joining
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Speaker 3: me tonight. All right, we're going to go to a
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Speaker 3: break coming up Taylor Swift so called intimate wedding at
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Speaker 3: Medison Square Garden with a thousand guests.
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Speaker 1: How intimate could it be?
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Speaker 3: And Trump accused of strong arming FIFA over a red
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Speaker 3: card scandal. Kosher Garda joins me next. President Donald Trump
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Speaker 3: is being accused of strong arming World Cup soccer referees.
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Speaker 3: US star Florian Belligan was given a red card during
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Speaker 3: the team's round of thirty two win against Bosnia for
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Speaker 3: this illegal tackle.
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Speaker 17: But instead free if you've been able to delve deep
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Speaker 17: into their protocols to activate Article twenty seven to be
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Speaker 17: able to decide actually the suspension is put on hold
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Speaker 17: for a and years free to play.
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Speaker 3: So there you go, a red card, and for the uninitiated,
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Speaker 3: a red card means you're immediately out of that game
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Speaker 3: and suspended for the next one. But the US president
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Speaker 3: is accused of pressuring FIFA soccer's governing body to review
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Speaker 3: the decision, and after a review, FIFA announced that the
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Speaker 3: US players suspension had been canceled. He'd be free to
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Speaker 3: play for the United States in their crucial round of
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Speaker 3: sixteen match against Belgium.
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Speaker 18: You get a red card now, bro, I have the
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Speaker 18: Trump card I win what.
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Speaker 1: That's not how it worked.
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Speaker 3: Now that's not a exactly how it went down, but
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Speaker 3: you get the idea. It's a bit like you know,
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Speaker 3: Trump expressed his appreciation to FIFA, posting on truth social
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Speaker 3: thank you to FIFA for doing what was right and
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Speaker 3: reversing a great injustice. Belgium officials, as you might imagine.
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Speaker 1: Are outraged.
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Speaker 3: But come on, what would the Belgians prefer the red
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Speaker 3: card being reinstated or tariffs being slapped on their country?
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Speaker 3: Joining me now is Sky News contributor Kosher Garda Kosher?
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Speaker 3: Is the World Cup now tainted by political interference?
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Speaker 6: It is certainly tainted, Jans, but probably not only by this.
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Speaker 6: Just taking a step back, look, it's pretty hard to defend.
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Speaker 6: I think the whole world knows Trump is going to trump.
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Speaker 6: He loves to flex, he loves to exert power, whether
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Speaker 6: it be in tariffs as you say, or here, and
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Speaker 6: he has done that. I also think that he sort
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Speaker 6: of is coming off on the back of this revelation
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Speaker 6: that he has played a big part in of how
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Speaker 6: much corruption there is writ large in the world everywhere
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Speaker 6: reinstitution and especially in FIFA. Two wrongs don't make a
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Speaker 6: right but we know that FIFA has been miired in
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Speaker 6: so many scandals and controversies. The DOJ themselves brought fourteen
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Speaker 6: indictments against FIFA officials back in twenty fifteen, and on
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Speaker 6: and on the list goes. So I think in the
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Speaker 6: scheme of that context, it's a little bit hard to
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Speaker 6: probably cry foul. And he has a trump card to
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Speaker 6: play and he played it kosher.
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Speaker 3: I'm going to take a contrary view, Okay, I'm going
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Speaker 3: to argue, would it be great if we had a
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Speaker 3: leader like that? But do you reckon elbow would be
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Speaker 3: a strong standing up for Australia. He can't even decide
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Speaker 3: on the flag or Kirstama would probably apologize if England
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Speaker 3: won again because of colonialism and all that. It's nice
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Speaker 3: to see a leader actually loves his country.
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Speaker 6: Yes, it's hard to see any of those figures do that.
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Speaker 6: You know, you could probably go around the world and
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Speaker 6: think of some figures or are strong arms of Latin
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Speaker 6: American leaders, maybe Victor Orbon people like that. But you know,
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Speaker 6: Trump has his own style on top of the power
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Speaker 6: of the United States, and he is not shy to
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Speaker 6: who flex that muscle, even if it obviously gives a
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Speaker 6: little bit of a cloud of corruption. I think he
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Speaker 6: decided to take that trade off.
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Speaker 3: All right, I want to ask you about New York
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Speaker 3: Mayor Zoran Mamdani, who, to my mind, is one of
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Speaker 3: the most divisive people in the United States. While everyone
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Speaker 3: was celebrating the nation's two hundred and fiftieth anniversary, Mamdani
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Speaker 3: released this video implying that America was dominated by racists.
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Speaker 19: America, they will tell you, belongs only to those with
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Speaker 19: the right accent or the right shade of skin. The
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Speaker 19: rest of us, they insist, should be grateful for merely
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Speaker 19: being allowed to visit. How small they are, how weak,
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Speaker 19: how unoriginal kosher.
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Speaker 3: The height of this guy, he only became an American
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Speaker 3: citizen eight years ago and now having been elected mayor
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Speaker 3: of the nation's greatest city, complains the places full of bigots.
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Speaker 3: But let me show you just how divisive he is.
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Speaker 3: During Friday prayers at a New York mosque on the weekend,
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Speaker 3: a man pulled a BB gun out of his pocket.
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Speaker 3: Zoran Mamdani tweeted this yesterday. Ring Friday prayers at the
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Speaker 3: Muslim Center of New York and Queens, a man reached
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Speaker 3: for his pocket and cognants saw what looked like a firearm,
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Speaker 3: creating a terrifying situation for Muslim New Yorkers who'd.
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Speaker 1: Gathered to worship.
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Speaker 3: He went on to say, I'm immensely grateful and relieved
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Speaker 3: that an MTA employee, a cab driver, and an NYPD
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Speaker 3: officer acted quickly to help ensure no one was hurt.
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Speaker 3: Every New Yorker should be able to observe their religion
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Speaker 3: without fear or intimidation. Now when you read that, what
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Speaker 3: do you think? Will you think someone's attacking Muslims in
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Speaker 3: New York? Right, one of those bigots that Mandani was
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Speaker 3: warning about. But here's the little detail the New York
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Speaker 3: Mayor omitted from his tweet, and that's the name of
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Speaker 3: the alleged gunman.
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Speaker 1: The New York Daily.
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Speaker 3: News reported Sheikh Huk was tackled by a congregant inside
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Speaker 3: the Muslim Center of New York after pulling the pistol in.
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Speaker 1: Front of dozens of worshippers.
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Speaker 3: Now, I don't know if Sheikh Huck is a Muslim,
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Speaker 3: but the name does sound Muslim.
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Speaker 1: There was this.
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Speaker 3: He has not been charged with a hate crime, police confirmed,
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Speaker 3: so Kosha, it's very possible that the guy in the
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Speaker 3: mosque with the baby gun was a Muslim harassing other Muslims,
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Speaker 3: and that this wasn't a case of Islamophobia at all.
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Speaker 6: Of course, and the media lap dogs are helping Mamdani,
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Speaker 6: of course, not surprisingly, they always do this. If you
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Speaker 6: look at any of the news articles, they refer to
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Speaker 6: him as Buffalo Man because he's from Buffalo, New York,
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Speaker 6: or lived i should say, in Buffalo, New York. They've
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Speaker 6: done this before. There was one of the people that
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Speaker 6: the Trump administration deported. He was the Maryland Dad, also
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Speaker 6: somebody of a similar stripe. So they do that, and
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Speaker 6: it requires people digging into the headlines, which most people
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Speaker 6: are living busy lives. They don't do that. They don't
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Speaker 6: live and breathe news the way you and I do.
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Speaker 6: And so he will run with it. The media will
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Speaker 6: help him and it will turn into a story about Islamophobia.
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Speaker 6: And I think that's kind of the broader point that,
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Speaker 6: whether it's the media or the culture overall, has set
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Speaker 6: up and enabled Mamdani to take the glide path to
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Speaker 6: that he took. He is ascendant. Just a couple of
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Speaker 6: weeks ago, everybody in New York Congressional District said, he
47:06
Speaker 6: endorsed one and defeated other fellow Democrats, establishment type Democrats,
47:10
Speaker 6: and they will be sitting United States senators now. So
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Speaker 6: there really is a market for what he's selling. He
47:15
Speaker 6: sells it well. He is quite charismatic. I hate to
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Speaker 6: say it, but he is. He can make the party
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Speaker 6: line and deliver those talking points in a way that
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Speaker 6: a lot of a big faction of the country, and
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Speaker 6: certainly of the left, buys it and subscribes to it.
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Speaker 6: And unfortunately we are not seeing the last of him.
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Speaker 6: His stock is only going to rise. Even though we
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Speaker 6: can see right through it, a large part of the
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Speaker 6: country cannot.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I fear that you're right.
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Speaker 3: President Trump marked America's two hundred and fiftieth birthday with
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Speaker 3: a late night National Mall address after storms and lightning
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Speaker 3: delayed the celebration. He told crowds to be on the
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Speaker 3: watch for the dangers of communism.
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Speaker 1: Have listened.
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Speaker 18: You can be loyal to Carl Marx, or you can
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Speaker 18: be loyal to America. You can be communist, or you
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Speaker 18: can be a patriot. You cannot be both. As for
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Speaker 18: those who pedal Marxist lies about our heritage and tell
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Speaker 18: our children that we live on stolen land, or that
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Speaker 18: our heroes were oppressors. They're doing something much worse than
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Speaker 18: slandering our past. They are slandering and attacking our future.
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Speaker 1: Not going to let that happen.
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Speaker 3: Whatever you think of Trump, kosher, This was Trump at
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Speaker 3: his most unapologetically patriotic, wasn't it.
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Speaker 6: That is really when he's at his best. And I
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Speaker 6: always say that if you are somebody who if you
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Speaker 6: are American and you love America, it actually is the
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Speaker 6: easiest topic in the world to give an uplifting public
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Speaker 6: speech on. You know, you can go the Mamdani route
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Speaker 6: like we just talked about, and there's enough of that
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Speaker 6: for sure, and there's a market for that. But this,
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Speaker 6: you know, the story of America. You can talk about victory,
48:52
Speaker 6: you can talk about valor, you can talk about aspiration,
48:55
Speaker 6: you can talk about innovation, you can talk about how
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Speaker 6: consequential it has been, and that sort of writes itself.
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Speaker 6: And then on top of that you layer on Trump's
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Speaker 6: particular brand. He loves to talk about winners and how
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Speaker 6: America is a nation of winners and we will be unapologetic.
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Speaker 6: It just adds an extra layer to it. And it's
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Speaker 6: really funny because The only reason that the two hundred
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Speaker 6: and fiftieth anniversary is taking place under his tenure is
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Speaker 6: because of what happened in twenty twenty. He came back,
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Speaker 6: he ran again, and so now he gets this extra
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Speaker 6: footnote in the history books about the speech and the
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Speaker 6: fact that he is presiding over the two hundred and
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Speaker 6: fiftieth anniversary of the greatest republic ever known to modern man.
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Speaker 1: Kosher.
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Speaker 3: We didn't get to tell as Swift's wedding, which upsets
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Speaker 3: me greatly. I really wanted to talk about that. We'll
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Speaker 3: have to do it next time.
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Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming on the program tonight.
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Speaker 3: Thanks so much. Well that's it for me. Thanks for
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Speaker 3: your company. I'll be back tomorrow night. But right now,
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Speaker 3: here's Paul Murray.