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Undertaker talks locker room secrets_ new WWE role_ Bret vs. Shawn _ What Do You Wanna Talk About_(M4A_128K) · NO FILTER

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  Speaker 1: Hello is the American Nightmare Cody Rhodes. Welcome to what
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  Speaker 1: do you want to talk about? A Fanatics and WWE
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  Speaker 1: original production today. My guest is a Hall of Famer.
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  Speaker 1: It's the Phenom, it's the dead Man, it's the Judge,
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  Speaker 1: It's one of wrestling's Mount Rushmore. He also has a
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  Speaker 1: podcast on this Wonderful Fanatics Channel. Ladies and gentlemen, please
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  Speaker 1: welcome Everything Champion, Multi Time Everything Champion, The Undertaker.
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  Speaker 2: Ah that I appreciate the introduction. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna live up.
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  Speaker 1: To all that, but we we should tell him too.
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  Speaker 1: This is technically unless we just have nothing. This is
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  Speaker 1: technically supposed to be part one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Right, we're going to do a home and home.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah offsite home and home.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, and then I'll be coming to your your pod.
• 0:59
  Speaker 1: How are you enjoying hosting a podcast?
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  Speaker 2: It sucks? Could you try again? He said? Oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 2: it's that you, he said, he said, how do you
• 1:10
  Speaker 2: like doing a podcast?
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  Speaker 1: Uh?
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  Speaker 2: That's off. I don't know why that.
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  Speaker 1: Oh big pop for I didn't get that. Uh, who's
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  Speaker 1: alexas rocking?
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  Speaker 2: Throwing a chair?
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  Speaker 1: I will say it almost feels mystical in a sense
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  Speaker 1: that I asked you a question and then a voice.
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  Speaker 2: Just just started shaking from my pocket.
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  Speaker 1: Part of the lore and the mythos as as I
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  Speaker 1: was asking, do you enjoy doing the podcast?
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  Speaker 3: Uh?
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  Speaker 2: It has its moments? Yeah, yeah, it really does. You know,
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  Speaker 2: when you when you enter discussion or you're in a
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  Speaker 2: conversation and you you're hitting it off, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: that's always fun. But man, sometimes when you when you
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  Speaker 2: get that guest that doesn't want to talk or is
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  Speaker 2: not a storyteller. Right, I don't want to name names,
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  Speaker 2: but uh, you know, it can be like pulling a
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  Speaker 2: tooth and so uh yeah, when you know when this
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  Speaker 2: was you know, brought to me like we can do
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  Speaker 2: home and home. Yeah, because I always you're a great storyteller.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah, I know, really I enjoy it. Like
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  Speaker 2: I don't follow you know, I don't follow much other
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  Speaker 2: podcast or listening, but I always kind of catch you
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  Speaker 2: because you you're you're very detail oriented in your stories
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  Speaker 2: and that's such a key part of bringing somebody into
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  Speaker 2: what you do. Sure, so uh and you've mastered that.
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  Speaker 1: And it's you got to take him on the ride.
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  Speaker 2: You got to take him on the ride. You got
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  Speaker 2: to put him in. Yeah, you got to put them
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  Speaker 2: in the in the scenario.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, there's I'm sure you saw it. And if
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  Speaker 1: I asked anyone else who is coming on this podcast,
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  Speaker 1: I actually am doubtful they would. You've seen the man
• 2:49
  Speaker 1: who shotelebrity balance, right, what is the is it the
• 2:52
  Speaker 1: Jimmy Stewart quote when the fact becomes legend? Print the
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  Speaker 1: legend exactly? So my my whole thought. I've been late
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  Speaker 1: by some of my peers as what comes up as
• 3:03
  Speaker 1: a cody lie, an exaggeration, a bit of a hyperbole.
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  Speaker 1: To me, it's just the legend, right, I don't need
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  Speaker 1: you know, like, let's give them the sexiest version of
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  Speaker 1: the story exactly. Which is fun. You mentioned hitting it
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  Speaker 1: off with people. We tend to have something that helps
• 3:21
  Speaker 1: in a sense of this podcast is Wheatly American Vodka.
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  Speaker 1: I have the Wheatly American mule. I know you have
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  Speaker 1: something special.
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  Speaker 2: What do you have? This is the dead Man's draft? Wow? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: All right, well, yeah, absolutely, thank you so much. Part one.
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  Speaker 1: In the spirit of that toast, I have a question
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  Speaker 1: that I don't think you would think that I would
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  Speaker 1: ask you, but I have to know, because I've gotten
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  Speaker 1: an answer from Sina and I've talked to others about it.
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  Speaker 1: But why on earth? Why on earth the tradition of
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  Speaker 1: gargling whiskey? And where did this come from? And to
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  Speaker 1: set this up?
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  Speaker 2: To set the up.
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  Speaker 1: If you got called to the bar, this is when
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  Speaker 1: I first came on board two thousand and eight, twenty
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  Speaker 1: nine and ten, whatever it may be. And you got
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  Speaker 1: the call, hey, taker would like to see you. You
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  Speaker 1: you got up and you went to the bar, and
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  Speaker 1: there there would be a thing of whiskey and just
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  Speaker 1: a shot glass, and you would be you know, hey,
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  Speaker 1: this is part of your kind of indoctrination into the
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  Speaker 1: crew and into the into the team. But you would
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  Speaker 1: have to gargle it, which again I do it, and
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  Speaker 1: it's now I am expecting it of others. But what
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  Speaker 1: are the origins of gargling whiskey?
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  Speaker 2: So you may be a little disappointed in all this, okay,
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not one. I'm not one to make someone gargle.
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  Speaker 2: That's not that's my deal. I take the shot, I
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  Speaker 2: drink the shot.
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  Speaker 1: In fairness, you didn't make anything happen.
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  Speaker 2: Well, right, no, you're you're invited over it's kind of
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  Speaker 2: it is it is. It is a welcome, but you
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  Speaker 2: know that's a that's a big misnomer, like, oh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: oh Man Tayler told me come over and drink. I
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  Speaker 2: had to drink. No, it's not that. I don't ever
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  Speaker 2: make anybody, make anybody do anything they didn't want to do,
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  Speaker 2: but it is it was kind of a hey, kid,
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  Speaker 2: come on in here. You know, you're proving yourself, and
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  Speaker 2: if you want to drink with us, that's fine. If
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  Speaker 2: you don't, you know, you don't have to. The gargling happened.
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  Speaker 2: So we go back to when business wasn't quite so good. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: all right, and I've been on both ends of the spectrum,
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  Speaker 2: and so for me, gargling happened because the guys on
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  Speaker 2: top when you go to the bar, those guys were
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  Speaker 2: making a little bit more money than everybody else, was right,
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  Speaker 2: and there was a struggle. So uh, a lot of
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  Speaker 2: times like you want to be part of it, but
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  Speaker 2: you don't want to. You don't want to drink all
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  Speaker 2: that whiskey because whiskey, you know, it's tough, right, So
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  Speaker 2: what would end up happening. There's a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: would they would quick shot, or they'd throw it, you know,
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  Speaker 2: pour it on the floor and then act like they're drinking, right,
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  Speaker 2: and you know that's that's money. Yes, that's people's money.
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  Speaker 2: You you had to choose whether or not like all right,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go to the bar and have drinks tonight, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: knowing that it's going to affect your everyday life really yeah. Right,
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  Speaker 2: So there was a lot of people that were like
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  Speaker 2: tossing shots and they got busted for it. So then
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  Speaker 2: it kind of became a deal where all right, you
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  Speaker 2: got to gargle so that you know that you you've
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  Speaker 2: had this shot. Yeah, that was the original origins of it. Sure,
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  Speaker 2: and then I think it just carried on through the years,
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  Speaker 2: is like you know, so then it kind of became
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  Speaker 2: a Machiesmo thing too, where you know, so I was
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  Speaker 2: never I never gargled and I never made anybody gargle
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  Speaker 2: or you know, it's like here, if you want this shot,
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  Speaker 2: have the shot.
• 6:58
  Speaker 1: When I when I went down, Because you brought up
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  Speaker 1: that you never you know, made anyone drink or anything
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  Speaker 1: like that, and I can double down on the fact
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  Speaker 1: that it was actually you didn't do anything. You were
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  Speaker 1: there sitting next to it. It was everyone else, Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: who's all right, this is how you do it. You
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  Speaker 1: go up there, You're going to take the shot, and
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  Speaker 1: then you know, maybe have a conversation.
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  Speaker 2: It was almost like.
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  Speaker 1: You're meeting a foreign dignitary, you're going to go up there.
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  Speaker 1: But then also it was like, once you did it,
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  Speaker 1: you go float around, you hang out. Yeah, see what's
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  Speaker 1: going on. It was always much more fun not to
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  Speaker 1: bury this person. But it was always much more fun
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  Speaker 1: when you got the call from you or you got
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  Speaker 1: to have that moment with you, especially during that time
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  Speaker 1: in my career versus when it was over, because when
• 7:38
  Speaker 1: it was over, God bless it, you'd be over with
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  Speaker 1: Kyota and Kyota the same level of energy, like let's
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  Speaker 1: get more to drink. But also it starts to get
• 7:47
  Speaker 1: a little dangerous. You know, you're not necessarily learning about
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  Speaker 1: wrestling anymore. As more you're just figuring out how to
• 7:52
  Speaker 1: get out of the Bible. Yeah, And I thought because
• 7:55
  Speaker 1: I went to South Africa the first tour I did
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  Speaker 1: with the company, and I didn't do anything right. Sleep
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  Speaker 1: on the plane, I didn't know what to do. On
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  Speaker 1: the way over, we did the show and I went
• 8:05
  Speaker 1: down to the bar because I just thought that was okay,
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  Speaker 1: everybody will be down there, right, so I'll go to
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  Speaker 1: the bar. Went to the bar and it was actually
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  Speaker 1: just like this, but it was sand Man, and I
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  Speaker 1: always had a good relationship with sand Man, very nice
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  Speaker 1: man to me. But I asked him. I go, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: I should ask him what he wants, right, I should
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  Speaker 1: get him a drink. That's the exchange here. I asked
• 8:26
  Speaker 1: him what he wants, and I'll never free ages. Ah,
• 8:29
  Speaker 1: I'll get four vodkas? Cool, all right because four? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm so's I'm gonna get you the four, but I'm
• 8:37
  Speaker 1: obviously not gonna get four for myself. So and I
• 8:40
  Speaker 1: got four vodkas and I'm already thinking like, well, I'm
• 8:42
  Speaker 1: not getting myself one because this is a ridiculous request.
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: He slammed one, and where the WW title is positioned
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  Speaker 1: was a big hearth and he threw it at about
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: ninety miles per hour, like Randy Johnson level fastball, and
• 8:55
  Speaker 1: the fire and everything like a little extra spark, and
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  Speaker 1: I just walked away. Yes, I thought that that wasn't
• 9:01
  Speaker 1: the right because, oh man, I feel like you've experienced
• 9:06
  Speaker 1: this so much. There's like legends, dignitaries, luminaries, and then
• 9:14
  Speaker 1: sometimes there's just kind of like old timers, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: I try to offer everyone the same level of grace,
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  Speaker 1: but it was a different type of education.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you did the right thing. Okay, yeah moving
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  Speaker 2: away from that, especially what this is what two thousand
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  Speaker 2: and eight. Yeah, yeah, things were way way different too there.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, that was the best decision you could have made.
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  Speaker 2: Was definitely like walking away. I have, like, I love
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  Speaker 2: to have a good time. I mean, through my years,
• 9:43
  Speaker 2: I had my good times, but I didn't ever I
• 9:47
  Speaker 2: just when people start getting belligerent, and especially if they're
• 9:50
  Speaker 2: in the group that I'm around, man, it really didn't
• 9:54
  Speaker 2: bode well for them. And you have to be able
• 9:56
  Speaker 2: to handle your You have to be able to handle
• 9:58
  Speaker 2: your liquor and s, you know, conduct yourself in a manner. Right.
• 10:02
  Speaker 2: So because you screw and one person screws up, you've
• 10:06
  Speaker 2: all screwed up now, right. Yeah, So yeah it was
• 10:10
  Speaker 2: I liked having a good time, but man, you had
• 10:12
  Speaker 2: to be able to keep it together.
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you keep your circle together. You know, some people,
• 10:16
  Speaker 1: some of my favorites, they never left catering. It was
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: always just we're gonna sit right here, We're gonna have
• 10:20
  Speaker 1: our moment. It's gonna be a private thing. We're just
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: right here. And I always looked at it, because I
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: do know there's this weird discussion about people being made
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: to drink and things of that nature. I always looked
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: at it as just an opportunity. You don't spend as
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: much time with these people, particularly you're in the locker
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: rooms with them or in my case, coming up where
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: you're nervous and you're thinking about what you're gonna be doing.
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: You're calling a match and you're not sure am I
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: supposed to be calling to this? M Are we going
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: over spots? Are we doing one of those where we
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: don't all these things? And I liked it as a
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: moment where you actually got to know each other, especially
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: when you were locked up with each other, for you
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: were on far longer tours than I was. But when
• 10:57
  Speaker 1: I first came here, we still did the seventeen day
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: or that's your family for a little period of time.
• 11:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, during the gist of my run, like
• 11:07
  Speaker 2: I was on the road with those guys more than
• 11:08
  Speaker 2: I was home. Yeah, And you know, so you you one,
• 11:13
  Speaker 2: you have to have a set of guys that one
• 11:15
  Speaker 2: you can hang with when it don't get on your
• 11:17
  Speaker 2: nerves because a seventeen day loop in Europe and you're
• 11:21
  Speaker 2: in a different city most times, different countries every day.
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: It doesn't take much, it doesn't take much put you
• 11:28
  Speaker 2: on edge. But you know, so you needed you needed
• 11:32
  Speaker 2: to have that camaraderie. And but man, we had we
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: had a few in the group that we get a
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: little loose sometimes. Yeah, we'd have to have a little
• 11:41
  Speaker 2: bit of come to Jesus, like, hey, we're gonna have
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: a good time. But uh yeah, yeah, we got to
• 11:46
  Speaker 2: cut the bullshit out because you can't come anymore. Yeah, yeah, Hey,
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: there's been more than one that guy that's got grounded right.
• 11:53
  Speaker 2: It's it's like, hey, no, no, no, you can't, you
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: can't do that.
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: You're talking about the tours. I wanted to ask you.
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: There's a specific question about it tour I was going
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: to bring up, but in general, for you, throughout all
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: the times you've been overseas, did you have a favorite
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  Speaker 1: place overseas to wrestle?
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  Speaker 2: I loved I loved Australia. I just I love going
• 12:15
  Speaker 2: over there. I love the people over there. And again
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: I remember I think this was the last time that
• 12:22
  Speaker 2: I was that I was champion and I was doing
• 12:25
  Speaker 2: both shows, and so we had done I think we
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: did San Diego Monday, then we did Tuesday. We did
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: smack Down on Tuesdays, then LA, so we did LA
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: was Monday Tuesday with San Diego. Then we had to
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: drive back after the show back to LA to catch
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: a flight to fly to Australia to do three four
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: live events and then make it back to California to
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: do Monday night ROGEA.
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: It was a brutal It was brutal sounds it, Yeah,
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: And so you know we do that.
• 12:55
  Speaker 2: We fly, we fly all night. We get to Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Now this is what to mid two thousand, maybe around
• 13:03
  Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, somewhere in
• 13:05
  Speaker 2: there somebody, I'm sure we'll fact check that and let
• 13:08
  Speaker 2: me know your dates. Your dates are off. But the
• 13:12
  Speaker 2: actual tour did happen. And we get to uh, we
• 13:16
  Speaker 2: get to Australia. I think it was Sydney and it
• 13:20
  Speaker 2: is like it is packed. Yeah, it's it's a million
• 13:23
  Speaker 2: dollar house then, which is I mean, I know you
• 13:26
  Speaker 2: guys are like, yeah, y'all, y'all fall asleep on a
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: million dollar house now, but back then, yeah, back then
• 13:33
  Speaker 2: it was big, right of course, Yeah, this is yeah,
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: this is live event, and there's over a million dollar
• 13:39
  Speaker 2: house in there. And I'm watching this, sitting there, watching
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: the matches, man, and it's just like match after match,
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: everybody's tired. You can you know what that? I mean
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: that that just I'm jet lagged. I'm tired. I've worked
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: two days and I got on a plane and I
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: would say eighty percent of the matches we're just dog
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: shit sure. And I'm just sitting there and match after
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: match I watch, I'm getting madder, and I'm getting madder,
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: and I'm getting madder because everybody's kind of feeling sorry
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: for themselves and not taking him in the account the
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: appreciation to have that house. And so I get back.
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: I was I was on last and fit Finley was
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: the He was a producer of the Agent. I said,
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: Fit you mind, if I speak you God, will you
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: know overstep his you know, his his role or anything?
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: He goes, no, No, go ahead, Mark. He knew exactly
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: what I was going to say, and I ended up
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: cutting a promo on on our on our crew, like
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: most of them, had never experienced the arenas so empty
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: that you could take a handful of rocks sure and
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: not hit anybody, right, I mean, which is you know
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: we had we had battled our way through all that,
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: and now you have this kind of you have this
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: kind of house for a non televised thing, and you're
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: just gonna dog it and call it in. Now. The atmosphere,
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: the tempo, the energy was much better the next night
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: in New Zealand. Yeah, but yeah, I know we were
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: talking about where I like to work. But yeah, Australia
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: was always seems like they've just kind of been just
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: an incredible energetic crowd. And then you know the UK
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: and Germany, I mean all those towns because they only
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: got us once or twice a year, they always seem
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: you know, those towns were just they had so much energy,
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: so much fun.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned the million dollar house. How the fact
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: that people weren't appreciating it. Here's some really inside baseball.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: I keep this in please, but it's quite funny. Is
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: now lately they've been putting largest gate in history and
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: it's on the sheet that I have access to. Is
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: if they don't write that though, no matter if it
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: was an amazing house. No matter the numbers is amazing.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: John Davis is kind of like, what happened?
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: Bro? What do you mean?
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: It's still a great Like what are we talking about?
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was that little line just largest in
• 16:12
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  Speaker 1: want to ask you about your favorite place because we
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: wrestled on. I don't know if you remember, because you've
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: been over and done this so many times. Do you
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: remember the Honeymonster Tourney Monster Tour, Yeah, so that might
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: not be the best way to describe. It was an
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: overseas tour in the UK where you and Triple H
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: wrestled against Me, Randy and Teddybos. Last night. There was
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: a serial sponsor called the Honeymonster and it was just
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: like a wompa looking kind of like a like a mascot.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: He got all kinds of heat with the boys because
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: he was on the massage table noneym where I lived there.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: He was starting to like register with everybody. Would think,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: you know, you would think you wouldn't see him that often,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: but we were seeing him everywhere. He's sitting at the monitor. Yeah,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: he's eating like the honey Monster became part of this tour.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: But this is a famous and it's gone. As the
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: kids say, it's a viral clip. You probably know where
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: I'm going. Yeah, but there's this clip of what you
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: did every night. But that's the one time somebody captured it.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Where when it was time for the hot tag, and
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: this was a huge lesson and cutting the ring in
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: half and just working an entire match based on working
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: towards that tag, working towards that tag right before it
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: was time. Whenever we are, in your case triple H
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: and you deemed it was right when the crowd was ready,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: you would start moving up and down the ringside area
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: at an unbelievable speed, just a crazy going. And your
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: hair at that point had dried out a little bit
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: because you had just been hanging on the apron and
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: work in the apron, but you had been there, and
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: you would call for a water bottle and you'd catch
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: it and I don't think you ever missed in the
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: eleven days. I saw it and you'd pour it all
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: over your head and the place would lose their mind.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: They were part of it with you, and then you'd
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: come in there and you'd beat us all half to death.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: But where is the origin of this amazing moment? Like
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: where did you figure out doing this? Because it was
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: one of my favorite things each night, and also we
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: didn't always go at the same time. It was really
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: off based off what you and h thought, all right,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: it's time. And when I saw that it was, we
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: were chomping at the bit to be the ones to
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: come in and feed. But yeah, I was curious where
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: it came from.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Totally. All it was was a total, total teachable moment. Okay,
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: that was all it was for me. Yeah, I never
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: worked that way anywhere else, Like, it didn't for it
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: didn't work for my character to work like that. So
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: and back then, you don't You're not thinking that someone
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: is in my head. I'm not thinking okay, we're in
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Austria or wherever that was at. I'm not thinking of
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: someone recording it. So I'm thinking that I'm getting away
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: with being able to teach this moment and what I'm teaching.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: You know, I can sit here and talk with someone
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: and I can I can talk psychology and why I
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: do this and why I do that. And as I
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: talk to you about it. You're listening and you're visualizing
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: in your head what I'm what I'm talking about, right,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: and then you get out in the match and you
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: do absolutely nothing the way that I was describing it
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: to me. You know, for my vision, your vision was
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: something completely different. So I've got two guys. I've got Randy,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: who's who's established guy, but then you intend a young
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: guys coming up. So that's the best way for me
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: to teach. Will let you experience what that hot tag
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: should be like. Oh man, yeah, that's all that. That's
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: all that was was just a teaching moment because I
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: didn't get those very often. Yeah. Right, we got to
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: do some creative things in the live events over there
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: with tags and you know six three on two's and
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: all that. Those are those are all teachable moments. I mean,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember the Hyena effect. I
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: don't know if we talked about that is is throwing
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: somebody out, throwing somebody out of the ring, and then
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: the other guy taking the referee and then the other
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: guy jumping on him and then you know, as as
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: the as the baby face on the heel on the
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: you know, on the apron comes down to make the save.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Then you throw that guy back in, so now you're
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: just you know, those were all things that I was
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: trying to get to, you know, to lay on you
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: and lay on even Randy. But but it was all
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: that was all it was, was just me trying to
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: to teach.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: That makes the moment so much different for me thinking
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: about it that way, because I had thought I was
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: I knew you didn't do that on TV. It was
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: not the Undertaker we'd see on TV. But I also
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: thought it's kind of his way of having an intimate
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: moment with this crowd, which it was. But also, I'm
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: sure you've been around so many people who talk psychology
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: and it sounds great and it's it's home. Yeah he's
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: got it, and they talk about the structure of an angle,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: they talk about building a match, but then in the ring, yeah,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: it's not there at all. Which that's just I'm honored
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: that that got to be the thing we did. Did
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: I ever tell you what happened when I tried? Because
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: there was another spot you did that. I always thought
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: this was so clever, and again for being so big
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: and you being able to do it, but you'd pop
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: a chair up to make the noise so that everyone knew, hey, weapon,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: and then you'd come after the bad guys if we
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: were doing hyena stuff on the floor. Actually, so, I
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: was in Denver and it was a great house in Denver,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: and this is right before us with Mania thirty nine.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: I forget. It was a six man. It was kind
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: of a motley crew just put all together. I think
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: we were actually were the week before Mania, so it
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: was a safe thing. I suppose, I don't know, but
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: they were doing it. I go, hey, I'm gonna do
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: because me and the usso's refer to that as the
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: taker spot, right, and it's just a thing. We're gonna
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: do the taker spot, which could mean three things, but
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: that one. They knew what it was, but I remember
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: we weren't. Not everyone was hip to it. Not everyone
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: had run that play before. So they're getting all this
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: excess heat on the outside and there whatever. Now is
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: the time, it's right. I hopped down, I popped that
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: thing up. I got it makes the noise, the crowd reacts.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: I slide around, but I kind of only half committed.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: I didn't really know because they weren't running the full
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: way like we used to run something, and the only
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: person I can put this heat on is either me
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: putting the chair down, which I don't want, or the
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: ref has to stop me. So the way they they
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: went around, I slid in the ring. And when I
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: slid in the ring, and God blesses a great ref.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: But again, wasn't hip to the spot stopped me with
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: such a force that the chair hit me.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Right in the PA.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: So now it's the week before WrestleMania thirty nine. I've
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: never even been near the main event of a WrestleMania
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: and this is going to be the first WRESTLEMANI main
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: event and it's for the title. And I am thinking
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: the whole rest of that match. I'm not even mad.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking the whole rest. If I have to get stitches,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: we just I can't. And it wasn't that bad, but
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: I thought, oh, what a cautionary hell we were trying
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: to do it. I get away with it. Now I
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: think I did it in Mexico because you were at
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: the monitor watching. Yes, it's like he's a I don't
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: know how entertained he is, but I got to do something.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: I recognized it.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, that's your play.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: It's a you know what you guys know are so
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: so athletic, and you guys can do so many things.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: There's just certain things that are so basic like that, Yeah,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: that resonate because they don't. I don't think our audience
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: sees it anymore. And it makes such sense, right, you're
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: trying to create you're trying to create advantages in the
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: match right where your heels have got an advantage on
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: your on your baby faces. So you know, the way
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: the spot's supposed to run is they're double team and
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: your guy on the outside, you chase the you know,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: you chase them off, you throw the other guy. You know,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: it's it's oh, it's the hyaena, like the lion will
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: come in and chase these two hyaenas off. The other
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: two hyenas come back in and try to steal the
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: you know, steal the prey. So yeah, it's it's simple. Yeah,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: but it just like people, you know, it resonates with
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: oh man, he hits them with that chair and then
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: then they get so excited because now you're out there
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: chasing this guy with the chair while the other guy's
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: beating the crap out of the guy you just went.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: And it's just it's just fun.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: And yeah, it's the difference between the psychology the application.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: I remember I used to hear that a lot in
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: the my first round with w t B. Is great
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: that someone's telling me this, you have to it. None
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: of this works unless you're applying. And that's where I
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: really appreciated. Just the general you mentioned fit fits somebody
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: that nobody wants to come back and get the you know, no,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: tell me something unless it's a you know to Shawn
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Michael's moment of no, it was that good. You you
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: already know that you know, and that's so rare anyways,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: But the fact that we had I saw you and
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Bailey talking about just the general being at the live events,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: and I've said it on this podcast, and I know
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: it gets me in trouble with my peers, and I
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: don't care. I miss them so much. I had missed
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: the live events for the rhythm of wrestling. I feel
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: like it helped actually prevent injuries. I feel like it
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: helped a general just not just a camaraderie. But the
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: other thing is being part of the team. If you're
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: only here like once or twice a week, it doesn't
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: feel like you're what team are you on versus No,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: this is our crew. We run, we run Saturday, we
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: run Sunday. And I know it's a different time and
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: the way the company works, it has its own difficulties
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: and challenges today that are different. But I miss it,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: and I missed it was those things just y I
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: try this?
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, hey did you hear that?
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Literally? Things that you could not put in a lab
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: and replicate just a general excited fan. Just I miss it.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: But that maybe it was a moment in time, you know,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Well, but the live events too, were where do you
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: where do you? You know? You're setting it home on
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: your counch and you're watching TV and you think it's like,
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: oh man, a spot comes into your head. Right, Well,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: it's pretty it's pretty delicate. Are that It's pretty intricate?
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Like do I want to try that on Monday night
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Raw with World watching? Or do I want to try
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: it in Poughkeepsie, you know at a small That's one
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: of the things too about the live events. Yeah. One
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: I think there is like we grinded, maybe we grinded
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: too hard, right right, But there is a there's a
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: there's a line, there as a balance, there is a
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: balance that you need. You need the reps to stay sharp,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: and and then you also need a place to try
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: new stuff because there's nothing you're going to get instant
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: feedback and a lot of event you're gonna get instantly. Okay,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: that either worked, or maybe I need to do this
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: to make it even better. But it's not something like
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna pull this out on Monday night raw or
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna try this at the paper. You need someplace
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: to to to try these ideas. And I, you know,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: I get trying to protect your talent, but I also
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: agree with you that you know, not working does maybe
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: lead to you know, because you know, iron sharpens irons.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: And again, I don't think we need to grind like
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: we did, but I don't think you need not to
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: do live events.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: When I left w B and made a list of
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: all these different independent wrestlers and wrestlers in Japan, all
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: these different people I wanted to wrestle if I had
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: heard where the bees need is just the most talented,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: amazing and often very talented, very artistic, great people. But
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: one of the things I discovered just on mom and
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: pop indies that I was doing is the no rhythm
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: between each other made it so that you were firing
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: the livest of browns, right. And I remember I'd be
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: working with people that had been revered as you know,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: you hear, like all five Stars and all, and they
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: were really athletic and they were really great. But we
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: never touched before. So we all of the thought that, well,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: we don't want it to miss either. But oh my gosh,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: I had never I had never walked away with so
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: many shows, you know, boxer cut here, something above the eye.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I was thinking, what's the issue, And I felt like
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: that's something when it comes to row or SmackDown again,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: not the be labor and my point about the live
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: events here, but that's a thing as far as just
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: getting a little chemistry with somebody, because how often do
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: you have that amazing lightning in a bottle chemistry? It's
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: not right, it's rare. So to get a good flow
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: with people is important. I certainly missed them. I want
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: to go kind of rewind ey a hair because something
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: that's always intrigued me, particularly watching i'd say this ninety
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: to ninety five and even into the attitude era, this
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: run that you had who with you growing up and
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: watching and being a fan of the business. Who were
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: you most a fan of? Who was who was your
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: guy when you were watching wrestling?
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: You know, you wouldn't believe it from from where I
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: from where I ended up to as a fan. So
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: I grew up in Houston, so we had Paul Bosch's
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Houston Wrestling right in w A Houston Wrestling. So I
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: loved Meal Muskers. Oh wow, yeah.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Flying ahead bututt right, yeah yeah, And.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: I say that, people look at me like that would
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: not have been who I thought. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know if it was. It was
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: the mask and how fluid and how cool he was.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: I actually ended up getting to work not against him,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: but on the same card as him when I was
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: with w c W. Crazy story. Sure come back talking
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: about living the gimmick, like people always like, man, he
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: lived the gimmick. I remember coming back from my match,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Mill had already worked. I go in to get in
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: the shower and there he is showering with his mask on.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: I love it, Yeah, I love it. He had his
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: mask on. It's one of those things you walk in.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: I just stopped like like should like should I be
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: here right now? And I was like, oh man, okay,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: he's even he protects it back here too, And not
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: that I was watching him in the shower, but it's.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: At this point it's okay that you were.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Right so one that yeah, he's over there and I'm
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: in this corner. I just every once in a while
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: would just like look back to see if he still
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: had his mask on. And I look back one time
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: and he pulled it off. He pulled it off and
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: hooked it onto the spicett there or the nozzle and
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: washed his face and his hair real quick, rinsed off
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: and it put the hood right. I mean, it probably
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: wouldn't twenty seconds, Yeah, and then don't. I don't know.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Maybe that affected me later on, like when I when
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: I started really having a gimmick, like I always thought
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: back to mill like, dude, this guy's even got the
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: hood on in the in the shower.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Well, I feel like there's a ton of synergy now
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: that you bring that up. In a sense, it's completely
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: different styles. Luca Libre and oh yeah they you know,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: like what you were doing, and but but what you said,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: he that's the efforts he was willing to go and
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: to an outsiders, arn Anderson would say to to a civilian.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Maybe to a civilians that WL I would say, maybe
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: that seems so odd, but to you, it's not odd
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: at all.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: It's what we do. It is what Yeah. If you care,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: you and this means something to you. Yeah, yeah, you
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: go to those links and yeah, a lesson learn.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: I'm curious about Houston because I grew up in I
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: would watch what was contemporary to me, W C of
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: You in the early nineties Crockett is when I first
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: started getting into some tapes and submit Atlantic. I didn't
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: know anything about mid South yet, a little Florida here
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: and there. But Houston and Paul, who my mother of
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: all people, will always go on record that Paul was
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: one of the greater payoff men. Okay, so that and
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: then the custom jewelry that Paul was right. Yes, I
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: have a belt buckle, the cauliflower ear in the corner
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: the television and the other it's one of Paul's.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Have one of them.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have one of his belt buckles. Yeah. But
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: I'm so curious what made Houston wrestling, Because Texas is
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: such a wild territorial situation, being such a big, big state.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: What made Paul and Houston's wrestling so special because Bruce
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: who's been on this podcast, who when he came on
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: the podcast, I wanted to run through a brick wall.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: I never felt more motivated just listening to a man
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: talk about wrestling and what it takes and who's if
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: you're going to be on top and all this stuff.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: I just, oh, it's amazing listening listening to Bruce, and
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: once you can just decipher what's real, what's sure, you know, Yeah,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: but yeah, it's amazing. No, Houston just had that, you know,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: so back then you got the guys that are traveling,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: You had Andre that travel It's the first time obviously
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: I'd ever seen Andrea. I think I was twelve, maybe
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: thirteen when I met, or not met, but like got
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: to shake Andrea's hand. You know, you get to see
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: the Chikh and Abdullah, Joe La Duke, Jose Lathario, the Blackjacks.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, all those guys come through there. Yea red
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Basting If that name means anything to yours, Yeah, it's
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: just there was just such a a ruggedness to it,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: like it just like these dudes were you know, even
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: as a kid, you were like, oh, I remember me
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: and my friend from across the street again twelve and
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: that that area of a man and the Sheik, the
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: original Sheik is coming into town, right, and we're we're
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: building ourselves up. My mom had got tickets for us
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Sam Houston Colisseum, and that was like a super huge
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: treat because we were both such big wrestling fans. But
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: so the Sheek's gonna be on the card, right, and
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: the tickets my mom get are right on the aisle,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: it right, so we're gonna be able to I mean,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: we're gonna be right there, right on the aisle by them.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: So we're building ourselves up the whole week, right, you
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: know wrestling. It was Friday night, so we're we find
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: out maybe Monday or Tuesday, we're gonna go. We're talking
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: all week long. Yeah, man, when the Sheep comes down, Man,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: we're gonna we're gonna say this to him and we're
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: gonna do this, and we're gonna we're gonna I might,
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: I might throw something. Adding So we got ourselves, we
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: got ourselves hyped up all week long. We're what we're
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: gonna do to the Sheep. And you have to understand,
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: like you have to go back and realize how scary
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: the Sheek and now Abdulah wor you know, in this
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: time period, like you you believed everything that they did
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: was legit, and then we and we were right there, right,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: but so we'd build ourselves up. Man, So here we are.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Here comes the Sheek, you know, and he's doing his stuff,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: and he's got his walk, and like, my buddy was
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: in front of me, and I was like, I'm going
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: for it, right, So I moved him out of the
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: way and I start to lean over this barricade and
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: I'm like like, and he darts at me. Oh gosh,
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: I damn near took the whole row out running from him.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: He scared the living crap out of me. And in turn,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: like I was like I was hanged snow and I
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: was hanging. I was getting out of there because I
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: knew he was coming. He can that he was gonna
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: come over that barricade and get me. Man, Yeah, I
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: wiped out. I bet I've wiped out three or four
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: people just trying to get out of his way. And
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: I love the build up.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Over the course of the week for the show in
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: terms of you thinking, oh, I'm gonna we're gonna say
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: this to him, we're gonna do whatever, because I didn't
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: realize until later in my dad's life. His dad, the
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: plumber Virgil, That's what he liked to do. Friday night
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: in Texas, in Austin, they would go to wrestling and
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: what he wanted. It was a release for him. He'd
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: try to fight every wrestler, That's what he'd not really
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: try to fight, but he'd sit there and yell and scream,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: and that was his whole thing. And I had always
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: thought they just went as fans. Don't hear that as
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: much anymore these days, like modern fans are coming maybe
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: for different reasons. But I love the idea of I'm
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: gonna let them know. I'm gonna let that. I'm gonna
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: let that bad guy let that he'll know how I feel. Oh,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: that's a oh man. And of course he Sean told
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: me something one time, and I never forgot it. He
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: was saying, be in a bit of a lighter heavyweight,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: that people would say stuff to him all. It'd scream
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: stuff in the ring, whatever he probably hurt all, but
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: he'd always just kind of lean back and whatever was
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: in that eye, he'd want them to know I'm a
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: psychopath and it's something like, oh, I could tell no,
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: maybe I can't take him. Yeah, maybe not, you know,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: just and I thought that's such a cool way to
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: look at it, because it's it's not so much the
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: size as much as the intent and as much as
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: the belief and commitment to the being in there. Oh man.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And Seawan was amazing on so many on so
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: many levels. I think he was he was before his
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: time and what he could do athletically, but that was
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: only a small part of what Seawan did. What he did.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: What I always loved about Sean is again, he could
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: bump and sell and do all this pretty shit, but
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: at one moment, at the right time in a match,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: when it comes to dukes right, it should always to me,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: it always it boils down. You can do all that
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: flying head scissors and all these other things, but when
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: it gets down, it gets to a point in the
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: match where it comes down to dukes and fighting right.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: And regardless of how outsized he was or who he
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: was in the ring with, when it came down, you
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: believed him right. And that's a that's a gift to
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: have because a lot of people you don't like, Yeah,
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: stick to the high flying but Sean had that thing
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: in him, that dog, I guess is what you had?
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: That dog in him, that look in his eye that
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: you're talking about. It's like, hey, we got to go
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: to Duke's. We're going to go to Dukes. And I mean,
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: I tell you, there's probably no one that I had
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: rather work with than him talking about chemistry and all that. Man,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: I could, I could, I could have a match with it.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Well not now, but when we were going I could
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: have a match with him. Just like it's a night off. Yeah,
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: it's so easy.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: And I always say it's like a night off, but
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: it's a night on. You're discovering all new stuff and
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: everything's hitting as well. You mentioned that dog in them.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: I think the first guy as I started looking at
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: the wrestling industry from the okay, how do we do this?
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: How what was the makeup of this person? But someone
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: else who had that dog in them? I didn't realize
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: this was Tully Blanchard and I watched a lot of
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: I've watched all these random tag team hot tags. This
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: week where Tully met the guy on the ropes and
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: had to fight his way out, and it was just
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: a completely different sense of it.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever told you this story,
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: but one time Hunter told me, he's like, you've got
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: the same exact thing. He's like, you got to be
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: able to go for it, and you got to be
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: able to hang in there. Doesn't mean you're not gonna
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: take your licks, but you're getting back up. You're coming again.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: So he told me, he said, at this point in
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: your career, I was a bad guy. I was doing
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: dashing Cody Rhodes. He said, don't be afraid to run
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: back in there. Let that babyface know and take one more.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: One time I ever tried it. One time was Booker,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: and and Booker is in there, just doing Booker, you
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, And I let him know. I'm yelling, screaming.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: So because last thing I want to do, I'm not
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: trying to break the flow of this up.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: You got to hit me.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: And I slid in there, and it's like it was magic.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: He turned around and that giant Booker hand just right
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: here and just ear drum gone right away, and I
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: just work. I mean, yeah, I went down and I
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: went to the back, and I remember I just looked
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: at Hunter. He don't even remember him telling me that
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: story and this went well, didn't really work. You know,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: you mentioned his working punch. One of my favorite things
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: with t book ever was I wrestled him when he
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: had come off commentary. So there was a little russ
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: for sure, but I ain't pointed that out. This is
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: the I'm always going to try. The veterans is going
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: to lead that. This is anything that goes wrong, it's
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: going to be my fault, even if you know, I
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: don't think that was, but it is my fault.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: But he was in the corner lighting me up with chops,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: but his head was moving so he wasn't looking at me.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: So he's chopped here and then looking back and I
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: come back full handprint on my face, just all scratch
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: on my neck, and he was right in front of me,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: and I'll just never forget. He's screaming follow that Shakespeare.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: He's going on his whole bit, and I just every
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: one of them. I was looking at everyone like, yeah, here, guys,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: it got considered considerably better. But I'll never forget because
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: now guys getting in the corner, they go to chop you.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: It's so deliberate. So but man, he was literally just
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: flying all over mane right, he was. He was feeling
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: and it was worth it that he was feeling, you know,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: it was worth it.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: That's funny. Back in the day, I'd be in the
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: ring with Rock and I don't I don't know if
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: you ever noticed, but Rock would love to have you
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: your back to the tron.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: And we were working one night and he is just
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: wearing me out right. He's got me up against the
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: row and he is just pounding me right. Ain't looking,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: He's not looking anywhere. He's just watching himself whip my
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: ass on the trunk. It's like this, and I'm like,
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: I was like, hey, dude, if I will sell for you,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: can you at least look me in the eyes while
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: you've beating my ass? And then he popped. He laughed
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: about it. It was just like, come on, man, oh
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: he was all into boom boom boom, just kidding.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: You had you guys had the giant trons.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Just oh my gosh, you pick up everything. It was
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: just come on, man.
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• 44:13
  Speaker 1: You men, you mentioned the Rock, You mentioned the Final Boss,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: which is I. I struggle to know how I would
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: ask you this because I don't really talk about it
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: that often because I don't want to ruin what it was,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: and I don't know if we could ruin what it was,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: but just it was such a special thing to me.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: But obviously we have to talk about Wrestlmania forty and
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: from my perspective, I'm very curious as far as your
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: perspective on it. But people will look at that and
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: it's I see all the time the greatest five minutes
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: in wrestling history, which is hilarious because within the five
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: minutes of section they cut out is just me laying
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: there selling, So I'm there, you know, But hey, you have.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: To sometimes you got to set the t you're gonna
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: set the table and then then just sit back and
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: look at your handiwork.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: I am in the corner. But this moment, I can
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: tell you that Hunter talked to me a lot about
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: what I was looking at, as far as what what
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: do you want that to be?
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: What is what?
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: What?
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: What is? It?
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: In the rivalry with Roman and Ice is rather rather real,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: So it is one of those things you don't talk
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: a lot about. And I kept telling him I don't
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: it's I'm too close to this all you whatever play
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: you call, we're gonna we're gonna run it. But I
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: describe it as actual magic is basically what happened in
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: front of me. And again John Cena comes down first
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: to neutralize Solo Soca. John rolls to the backside, but
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: I can see him. He's on the backside, he's up.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Against the wall.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: After Rocket came out to neutralize John Cena, and then
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: of course, uh, the bells hit and the part to
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: me that so wild because you know how a blackout
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: looks in the arena. It's not always a blackout in
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: the arena like it is on TV. But you you
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: kind of pulled a little bit of a Yoda move
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: where you're walking around backstage real you know, slow and
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: just kind of get you know, conserving your energy, and
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: then the speed to which you roll in the ring.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: You can hear it on the you can hear it.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: It's like it's like listening to a guy at a
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: wrestling school do a role for the first time and
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: do it right. You sped in there and stood right up,
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: and then when the reveal comes up, there you are.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: This moment happens, grab him, give him a big choke slam,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: he goes up for it. Boom, a big moment, and
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: then you you did. The coolest thing is you look back,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: knowing what was happening in the entire match. You look
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: back at me, and of course I was in a cell,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: so the moment wasn't what maybe you had envisioned. But
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: you look back at me just to give me a
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: little like I got him. It's yours now. I got him.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: But then you winked, And I tell people this all
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: the time. I went like this, and when you winked,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: the lights went out, and I remember thinking he's he
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: shoot fucking magic and I couldn't like I I'm going
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: in my mind through the how oh did he did
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: they know? Did they see him do it? No, they didn't,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: because you turned your back to the hard game to
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: look at me and give me that moment, and that
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: moment accompanied by I saw John's eyes and he just
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: watched and kind of just like gave me. It gave
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: me something, you know, just just a nod, whatever it is.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you know, but that that did so much,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: not just for the match and the match as it
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: stands today, not just for the spectacle of WrestleMania, not
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: just for ww history, because WrestleMania forty it's a tenure
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Mania where it's everything. It's past, it's present, it's future,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: it's all those things. But the amount of people who
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: did honors for me and put me over to go
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: over in that moment. I can never never tell you
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: enough times how grateful I am for it and how
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: special it was, and how honored I was and still am.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: And not only that pressure in terms of look at
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: what they did, don't screw this up, look at what
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: they did, don't don't honor what they did. I say
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: it all the time, is this honor what we did here?
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: And I don't use it in a political way. I
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: mean it, we did all this, do we honor it?
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Am I still honoring it? And I just if I
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: didn't get the opportunity to tell you in person it
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: I'd be kicking myself. Thank you very much, I mean,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: thank you. It was it was a wrestler's dream to
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: have Hall of Famer Hall of Famer Mount Rushmore got
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: everything right there my childhood. In addition to that, someone
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: who also taught me things, someone who I drove around
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: all of it, every piece of it. I couldn't ask.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to come back and tell my wife.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to tell, hey, well we peaked, you know,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: like I didn't want to say that because I knew, like, hey,
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: the road begins now. But I also knew if I
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: never was in that spot again, i'd be I was
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: incredibly lucky that I was ever there in the first place.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, And the only thank you I think anybody
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: would ever want is for you to do what you've
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: done and continue to grow and grow the sport and
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: take that and go to the next level with it.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's the only that's the only thank you
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: is that whatever anybody would ever ask for, it was incredibly,
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: incredibly special moment even even for us obviously for you
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: and and what's about to happen for you, but you know,
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: for all of us to be in there again, you know,
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: me and Rock, to be in the ringing together again,
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: all those things. It was. It was just such a cool,
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: cool moment. And yeah, I wish I could say that
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: the eyewink and the lights going out were my doing
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: or I know it was that was just fate and
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: that was that was That was a cool that just happened.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: But uh, you know that that but yeah, man, that
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: was that was just again setting the table for you
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: and an incredible run and out of the way and
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: how serious that you take this business, and yeah, that's
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: it was just fun. It was. It was a fun night.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: And the only reason that that I moved so fast
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: is because you don't want to screw that up. Yeah,
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: you got to be up for it. You've got to
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: be you can't do the yeah, old man, old man
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: moving in here. Yeah. So it was funny because i'd
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: had you know, just the probably hadn't been a year
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: yet that I had had both my knees replaced. I
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: did them both, and they so they bring me into
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: the bowl to load me right and they brought me
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: in at one end of the stadium and I had
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: to get underneath a hard camera.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: May it's difficult as possible where I was.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: Going to stage, and you know, the sequences are starting
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: to happen, and they're like, okay, we got to hurry.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: I've never run on my new knees.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, never okay, and.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, here we go and here I am man,
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, holy shit, I'm running. Yes, this ain't
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: happened in a while. And it feels pretty damn good here, right,
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: So uh, maybe got a little gas, yeah, but you yeah,
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: the knees were like. I was like, holy shit, I
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: can still go. Yeah, absolutely not.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: I mean in a way you did well.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: I had to get I had to I got to
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: where I had to get and then I got to
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: the ring and got in ring and standing up for
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: the lights come on. So it's all good.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: Double knees and after that, no complications, right, you didn't
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: like go back to the hospital. After that. You're the
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: they're good, are solid.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: The knees are yeah, these are good man. Yeah.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: My brother Chicken Chicken just got the double knee. Yeah,
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: it sucks, man, Yeah.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: It sucks.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: I kind of want to mess with him on it.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: I might even see him later trying like challenge him
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: with something that clearly, oh you just had double knee surgery.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: He's not capable of do it.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: How far how far out is he?
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: What a month or two months?
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Oh? No? Oh yeah you could. You can come slap
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: him in the back. Yeah, you can't catch something like just.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Really really frustrating. Yeah, you mentioned to take it to
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: taking it seriously, the future of the sport, evolving it,
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: growing it, going through whatever challenges present themselves, and just
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: trying to leave it better than we found it. You're
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: very much in terms of looking at the future of everything. Uh,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: Triple A, Triple A. I you were at it. You
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: were in Mexico City, You're there at the monitor. What
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: what are you seeing in terms of what you're doing
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: now and what you want to do with the future
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: of sports entertainment, pro wrestling in the sport in general.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, helping out with Creative and doing some stuff with
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: with Triple A. I'm trying to like my vision is
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: to take almost take a step back, okay, to step forward. Yeah,
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm really high on on the on the physicality
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: and the and the actual in ring stuff and things
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: making sense, which is which is kind of difficult from
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: where I've come from. And then working with Triple A,
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: you know, the the lucha, the lucha libre legacy is incredible,
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: right with the mask, and then there's so many like
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: as you are a legacy, there's so many you know,
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: there's there's this guy who then has a son who
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: has so all these legacies and all this culture is
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: in there, So I don't want. What we're trying to
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: do is is is honor that, but but give more
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: production value to the product and and and help storytell
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: a little better. I think that's the biggest thing. Like
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: they are talking about incredible athletes and the things that
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: they can do is it's amazing. And the following they
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: have is amazing. So if I can take the best
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: of Lucha libre and the best of what I know,
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: and I can I can mold them together, I think
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: we're gonna have with something that's really really special down there.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: And but that's the key is trying to not I'm
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: trying not trying to make Triple A Luca libre. I'm
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: not trying to make it raw or SmackDown WW I'm
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: taking some elements of that, adding it to what they
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: already do and try and make a product that everyone
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: will want to see. And it's an alternative. It's just
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: like the you know, the other company, Raw SmackDown, all
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: these other you know, just to give people a variety
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: in different things to enjoy about wrestling.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: So I was going to ask you a specific question
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: thinking about Triple A and what you would tell someone
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: moving in the future, but I feel like I'm gonna
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: kind of specify here because I'm actually very interested in
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: This is something at my school, the Nightmare Factory. I
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: have yet to figure out how to even address with
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: people because a lot of young wrestlers want to do
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: a big time gimmick, and I say big time gimmick,
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: this spooky, mystical, artsy, whatever it may be. And I
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: heard a term the other day about someone backstage, and
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: I thought, that's the craziest thing I've ever heard. They
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: referred as somebody as a proper lighting guy, and they
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: because they basically they needed all the smoke and mirrors,
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: they couldn't be seen in this setting. And I thought, hmm,
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: that's not the case with you in a sense that
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: you were out there full dead Man and this is
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: throughout all the runs American Badass dead Man. Everything as
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: striking and jiu jitsu got involved in it, and like
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: all your evolutions all that you still were able to
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: be in some of the greatest backstages of all time.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: Not proper not proper lighting not and it didn't break
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: the mold on the character. What do you tell someone
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: who's entering that space of a hundred percent layering on
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: a big time gimmick. You know, I could say proper lighting,
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: but something spooky, something mystical, something that's really fantastical. What
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: would you tell them about how do you get it? Actually?
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: Because to me, you're this anomaly whenever we talk about this,
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: and then bray Wyatt an anomaly in terms of they
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: were able to make it work. The bell rang still
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: and they were wrestlers, and so how what's the secret
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: to that formula in terms of being that gimmick and
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: I don't want to use the word gimmick, but being
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: that character, but making it translate into all facets of
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: how we do TV.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, as corny as it may sound like, you you
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: have you have to believe to a certain degree that
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: you are that gimmick. And again that kind of goes back.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: You know, people, man, you live the gimmick. You did
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: this and you did that. It helped me when I
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: was in the airport and I was all in black
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: and people like, oh, you know who that is, like
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: although I wasn't in my ring year, but it was obvious, like, dude,
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: that's that's the that's the undertaker. Yeah right. And although
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: it was different, but it was the same. And you know,
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: my interactions were always very very calculated with people outside
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: of you know, outside of our dressing room or whatever. Yeah,
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: they got to you know, they got to see me,
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: but it was I was very calculated. So living in
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: the gimmick is. But you have to believe in what
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: you're doing, right. You can't just like Okay, I'm this guy, now,
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: this is this is what I am. One. You have
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: to find something that that that resonates with you. Yeah right.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: You you have to have that that that sometimes it
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: could be it's even luck sometimes that whether you find
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: it or whether you don't find it, but you have
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: to commit, in my opinion, to make something like hmm, okay, yeah,
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: he's different. I got new people that knew I wasn't dead.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but just figuring it out, Like you said, how
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: you would deal with someone in the airport, how you
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: deal somebody when you were in full you you figured
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: each and everyone out, and it made you more of
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: the character. It just it gave you more tools, right,
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: I had only Johnson. Sina explained that once something about
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: Moon He's doing the rap gimmick, and he was rapping everywhere.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: He'd go to a station every he'd do local, local press,
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: and he said, that's where he figured out his report,
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: that's where he figured out he's kind of brand guidelines
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: to basically stay in it all the time, to stay
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: in that all the time, but without insulting anyone either.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: To me, that's that becomes the difficult part, right because
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: you know, even early on they were crazy enough they
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: would book Paul beren I to do Regis and Kathy Lee. Right,
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: and it's like, yeah, I'm hearing it, and I'm going
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: why would they do that to me? Right? I mean
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: I can't interact because you know how Regius was. You know,
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: he he was a big wrestling fan and he wanted
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: to have fun and play. And then Kathy Lee, he
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: was Kathy Lee and uh, you know, so trying to
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: navigate those kind of waters and you sometimes you just
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: have to like I'm going to come off like a
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: dick here, but to them, yeah, but my fans and
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: the people that dig what we do are going to
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: totally ship because so many times when you get into
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: a different genre or a different you just naturally kind
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: of gravitate whatever they're doing, right, and you let your
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: guard down. So I had to have that mindset like, Okay,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: you're gonna you know, I remember them cutting up, like
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: you know, producers come back and Okay, Kathley is not
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: much into wrestling. She's probably not gonna say anything, you know, Regis.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: It'll all be with Regis. So you get out there
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: and then she starts chirping, right, she starts saying different things,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: and it's like, okay, so you know, I'm just like,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm like, oh, here, you're in a bad mood,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: and you where you want to like the inside of
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: you just wants to be like shut up, like I'm
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: I'm working here, right. You know, obviously you can't you
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: can't do that, but you have to, you know, you
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: just have to make the best of it. But uh,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: you know there there Yeah, there were times where like
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: I just like I had to live it. You know,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: there's there's layers to live in the character too.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: Around the time you mentioned readers and Cavilli and that's
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, and I thought, I don't
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: want to ask him a question that's like a click
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: baity type question.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: But oh, here we go.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: I do feel this Erab, this is my childhood, this
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: era of WWE and this arah of w CW as well.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: You.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know how many people had the same your
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: chemistry with Brett and your chemistry with Sean. You were
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: just the like the trio. I feel like I don't
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: want to ask, but I have to ask. Did you
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: have one you preferred wrestling or was it more what
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: you were doing in the like the creative of it all.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: I cause you hear there's always like an argument.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: I love them both. Growing up, Uh, Sean was my guy, right,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: But then as I got older, I'm like, oh, no,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: Brett's I didn't even see all this. Brett's doing something
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: completely different here, and just an appreciation for them both
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: being so great. But you got to be in there
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: with him. Yeah, all of you priming up. Yeah, just
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: getting better. Did you have one you preferred?
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: Uh? You know what, I could, I could lose a
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: bit either one of them, you know what I mean
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: I did. They were both great, and they're both so
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: good in the ring. I probably had the very best
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: chemistry with Sean. And but I tell you what, I've
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: said this a few times about Brett because Brett didn't
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: want to talking about living this and believing everything Brett did,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: and I respect that. When when Brett was a champion,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: he was the champion, right, and he conducted himself as
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: a champion and from from top to bottom, so you know,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: so I was when I started working with Brett, like,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: I was real, real heavy. Even in my my ring
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: work with the character, right, I was still trying to
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: establish all of that. And there was only so far
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: Brett was going to go with with the as he
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: called it, the Frankenstein gimmick. Right, There was only so
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: far he was going to go to uh you know,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: to put to put me over with that, and I
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: had to. You know, obviously he was a more tenured
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: guy who was he was higher up than me, so
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: there was not a lot I could do about it.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: And I wanted to have great matches, and I wanted
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: to work with guys like Brett. So being able to
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: work against Brett forced me to learn how how to
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: work within the gimmick with with and have not just
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: a gimmick match, but to have really, really good matches.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: And Brett forced me to get out of the out
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: of the comfort zone of the of the you know,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: the Jason Voorhees, the Michael Myers off and actually put
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: on a wrestling match. So for that, I'll always be
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: grateful to Brett because he pushed me and made me
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: become better. Yeah, and then, you know, I've always said
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: this about Sean, like Sean may be the only guy
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: I've ever known that could have a five star match
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: with a broomstick. I mean, he's just that talented. But hey,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: I'll give you first pick. I'll take the other guy, right, Yeah,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the fact you got to navigate the
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: waters in terms of you had the great matches with
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: both of them. You're very much part of their their
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: stories and they're very much part of your stories. I'd
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: heard you say that about Brett before, and I think
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: that's really cool, because at what point does that happen.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: You're you're kind of getting hit, always coming back up
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: getting hit, taking so much to keep you down. For example,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: the amazing arm in the casket segment, which just selfishly.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: Do you remember who produced this segment?
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: Was it Bruce? Probably back then when we did it,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: it was probably Blue Bruce. Yeah, I would imagine yeah, because.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: It's it's as as modernized and as high res as
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: it is, it's also the most old school thing you've
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: ever seen. Like he felt that you took Oh what
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: can we do? We can't keep him down?
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: No, we can.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: This is how we're going to do it. And I thought, oh,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: for you had to get just lackered with this chair over.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: But it's such a great segment. I'm glad it was Bruce,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: because you know how much your Bruce is everything. You're
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: just Bruce's I consider myself a bit of a Bruce
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: guy because he came back and got me. He literally
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: found me, got me, and I'm loyal to him. When
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: I came back from russ Mania thirty nine, it was
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: also real. I man, I don't know if I'm going
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: to be able to a full year on this chase
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: whatever mant He was the first one to be there
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: for me and just but Bruce, every story relates to
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: something with you. Every story ends up going back with
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: something with you and I just I'm sure you know
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: that already. But yeah, that segment's an amazing and amazing segment.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: It was selfish. I wanted to know who who's behind it. It
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: felt very much like a Bruce sag. Yeah, Bruce haddled
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: most of my those early days. Bruce did most of
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: my stuff.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all of the flesh freezing vignettes and the cemetery
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: and all that crap that we did.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: I got to ask you, and I didn't think I
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: would ask you because I try to avoid Dusty talk
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: on here a lot, because it's you've done Dale Junior's pod, right,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: Have you ever.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: Thought we've just never been able to hook up on it?
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: He's the best.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: I noticed when I watch other race car drivers and
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: other people, they it all ends up being a talk.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: They talk a lot about his dad. Yeah, And he
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: said one time in a full basically you know, like
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: we all do. Sometimes you see what the critics and
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: haters are saying. I saw him one time. You give
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: like a little bit of a prologue in a sense like, hey, guys,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about my dad on the show, so
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: if you don't like it, I'm sorry. Like, right, this
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: is a legendary race car driver who raced with him,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: and I try to avoid it, but often it's hard
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: to avoid your debut in WW, your debut, and I
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: always look at it a little differently because it's your
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: debut and I think my dad was also on the
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: way out leaving. How was that? Was it fun or
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: was it terrible? Because it felt like you're you're walking
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: through everyone basically, and nothing's fully established. Shit, you know,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: I don't think we're tombstone in.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: Yet, or yeah, well yeah Coco got end up getting
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: the first tombstone. Yeah, very brutal, But.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: That my sense, and I could be totally wrong. It
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: felt like it had to be pretty rough. Yeah, well
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: it was the marching orders on, like, hey, this is
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: what's happening, and you've got some who's who in there,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: even if you so you didn't have to know at
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: the time, but almost everyone in WW had been a
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: massive star in a territory somewhere, right, so they'd done
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: the top for them and now coming up it was
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: a different ballgame. So can you speak to that because
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: I didn't think. Now I'm thinking about my dad takes
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: us like goofy throat chop. I don't even know what
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: it is, but this.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: Is my early strike. Was a was a underhand chopped
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: to the throat.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: It's an amazing, uh debut for you and this is
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: a Survivor series. How is that day?
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: Uh? It was nerve wracking, right because I'd had the
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: you know, I'd had the little not a run. We
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: wouldn't even consider it a run. So you know, in
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: w c W and you know, obviously they tell me,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: you know, they got nothing for me, and so I
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: end up there and now I have this incredible gimmick
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: right like that, no one like we don't know where
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: it's at yet. Yeah, we're still trying to and I'm
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: still trying to figure out what it is that I'm
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: gonna what this guy is. I just know he's going
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: to be methodical, slow paced right now, and uh, you know,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: I'm going to debut at Survivor series and in the
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: ring is Brett Hart and Jim the Nvil night Heart
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: and honky tonk Man and Ted Dbiassi, Dusty Rhoads, you know,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: and then they come and tell me, yeah, you're gonna
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: pretty much steamroll whole team everyone. Yea and uh. And again,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of the guys that were in
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: that ring were finishing up and and some of them
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: begrudgingly yeah okay, and I'm like, oh boy, yeah, it's yeah,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: this is popping, Like, yeah, I gotta like, I gotta
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: go out and get myself over. Yeah, I got this
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: new gimmick that I don't know exactly what I'm doing yet,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: and I've got a bunch of disgruntled people that are
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: going to have to sell for me. And you know, the.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: Enfranchise just enfranchised appranc is probably not helping you that much.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: You've got to actually do this.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was, it was. It was a bit nerve wracking.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: And then that you know that that era of guys
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: too were a little they were salty, man, they were,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: especially if you're getting finished up and moving out of
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: the territory.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: So then follow the money too, in terms of if
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: you weren't working. This is a little bit right around guaranteed,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: pre guarantee, yeah.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: Pre guarantee. Yeah yeah yeah, yeah, So yeah, there was
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: it was a little tense out there, you know, and
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: you know, you can hear you can hear a few
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: guys chirping here and there, Oh get a silver this kid, yeah,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: you know, and oh brother, you know, here we go.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: But uh, and then being in the ring again, like
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: with your dad, who was you know, when he's one
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: of the guys obviously that I watched, you know, loved
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: his all the stuff with him and Flair and that
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: whole you know, decades of battles and then yeah, you're
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: standing across the ring from these guys, right, and yeah,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: it was. It was a nerve racking day. And eventually, yeah,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: me and your dad fought out. Yeah, we fought out.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: We both got counted out.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: That was how this doesn't sound like it in the way.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: That's tricky.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, so they had to get me
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: out so they I murder all these other guys. But
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: then they have to get me out to eliminate me.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: But they don't want to pin me obviously. So yeah,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: me and me and Dusty get to fight out and
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: I lose the I lose on account out.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: Do you remember that was he difficult?
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: No? No, no, he was great. Yeah he knew Yeah, No.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: I love hearing that. No, he knew his face makes
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: it look like he was being difficult.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: No, not at all.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, good no, no, no, no, yeah, come on, come on,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: keep it up.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, yeah no he was yeah no, no, not
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: at all like your dad knew business. I mean, it
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: was just you know, it was just what it was. Man.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: He I think he had a knack people like you said,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: and most people don't realize because you look at from
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: maybe the selfish, the whole body of work, a booker, champ,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: all these things. But when we'd watch wrestling Modern wrestling
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: ECW was a thing when I was growing up, I'd
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: always watch him watch it, and that was what you
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: just said was something I realized. He gets business. It
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: might be totally different, but he gets like, no, this
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: is working. We got a roll with this, We got
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: to this is what, this is what the direction, this
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: is what you're to the ground sounds like like you're
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: the same, Like it's crazy lucha libre triple A. I mean,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: but then you have Melma Scaris, that's your guy growing up,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: and now you're down there and you're you're part of
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: that wonderful tradition and you said something that Thank you
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: for saying it, because I like to take things. This
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: is my this is again. We don't have the live events.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: I have this podcast, so I get to talk to
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: the greatest of the greats. And here's something you said,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: take a step back to then take a step forward.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: Thank you. What a great because because it's all there's
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: always a challenge. We joked about the record house all that. Well,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: those those eventually, you know, and then you're it's your
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: gig to bring them back and just take a step
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: back to take a step forwards. Really, man, it's a
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: really nice nice way to put it. My gosh, m hmm.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. What's old will be new again?
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, man, I'm so glad I asked about survivorsies.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: He wasn't he was. He was in a good mood.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: Huh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, no, it was everything was
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: everything was good. Man.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: Man, what a rough run you're coming in and did
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: murdering a lot of guys and doing a powl driver. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: so that.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: Was you know, I've told the I've told the story
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: like I kind of blew it off because I didn't
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: really think it was that bad, and I don't really,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: I don't. Once I became once I became Undertaker, like
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: I watched because I was doing my outside like studying
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: like on Michael Myers and all the all the you know,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: all of the slasher killers, and then trying to figure
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: out how to incorporate all that to what I wanted
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: to do. But I did, I kind of stopped watching.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: I didn't know what was going on in Japan. I
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: didn't know what was going on in w CW. I
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: was so focused on what I was going to do,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: and then I was watching the guys that were I
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: was competing with, so I didn't have a lot of uh,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: you know, my knowledge on wrestling is was pretty small
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: in the sense of what other people have done. Sure,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: so I give the first tombstone to Kocobe ware right,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: and we get back and again this is again I
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: think he was one of the guys that was going
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: to finish up. I don't think he ended up finishing up.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: He was on the list of guys that were finishing up.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: So we'll get back in the back and he gives it,
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: gets kind of gets in my face, which is kind
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: of what was kind of humorous too, because you know,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: Coco is not a tall guy, but he's like giving
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: me the riot act in this hallway about hey man,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: if I give you my body, you got to protect me,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: and which I'm yeah, absolutely, but I don't know like
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: that the too. I didn't know that. It didn't feel
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: like I thumped the mur yeah, and you know, and
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: he's like you gotta protect you know, He's really giving
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: me the riot Act, and I'm like, I'm apologizing, like like, dude,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: that is not my that is not my deal. Like
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: I don't you know, I want to be safe, and
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: like if I hurt you, I apologize, right. I don't
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: know what else I can say. And we keep going,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: you know, and he keeps going, and I guess he's
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: you know, he's upset, and he's got a bunch of
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: other stuff going on as mind too. So it finally
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: gets to a point where I'm like, oh, I've apologized
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: to you. Yeah, Now this is my first this is
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: my first day in the company, and now I'm having
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: I'm already having this issue, right, and I'm like, like,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: do we have to go out in the lot? Right? Yeah?
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: I mean that's not what I wanted obviously, you know,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: I just that's not what I wanted to do. But
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: it's like I didn't know what else, I like, I
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: can only you can only custom me for so long. Yeah,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: you've made your point. I mean I don't know what
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: else I can say.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: And you guys didn't go in the parking. No, no,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: we didn't.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: He left. I mean, you know, he and we were fine.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: We're friends and everything was cool. But it was just
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: in the moment.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: There's not many locker room arguments anymore, but I do
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: find that they all do end at that point, whereas okay,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: are we fighting? Like just a classic are we fighting?
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: Is that No, we're not okay. Then you can only
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: say sorry so many times, right, and yeah, I.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: Mean you have to yeah, if you know, that's just
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: the point you have to go, Okay, we got to
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: go somewhere else with this, and nobody wants that. But
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: it's the era too. It was just kind of like
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: it was salty. Last fight I remember was Big Show
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: and Collie. That was the last fight I remember watching.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: It's so funny to hear the different descriptions on how
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: the fight went, you know, like some people talk about
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: hearing the thunderous blows because they were so big and
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: they were both hitting each other so hard, and then
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: the fight ends because Show fell off the suitcase right,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: but then was he was upset because it looked like
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: he had lost the fight in terms.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: Of somebody might have totally me lost, so you told
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: me lost. Yet one of my favorite things in life
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: is like, I love I love Show, I truly do.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: But he has been on the receiving end of many
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: many pass chewings from me and and all of it
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: of that love because I knew how much potential and
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: talent that he really had, and I wanted him to
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: to use all of it. But he did receive a
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: lot of bit a lot of grief from me. And uh,
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: he hit He hit Collie so hard. I had to
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: look behind Collie to see what was holding him up.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: He ate, he ate a right hand, He ate a
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: right hand from Big Show. That's the sound. That that
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: sound that it sounded like dropping a big RIBI a
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: steak on the counter, all right, And it was like ooh,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: Collie just took a couple of steps back and then
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: they locked up again, and Big Show was getting to
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: him a little bit. But then he trips on the
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: suitcase and they end up in this little bitty locker
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: like a you know, the wooden locker with a seat,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: so Big Show falls into it with Collie on top
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: of him, and and then that's when when Regal gets
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: involved in fish hooks to pull him off. It was
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: so good, it was good, good stuff, but the show
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: was getting to him. But I never let him know.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh man, Collie Man, he was on
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: top of you.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: Man, your way you were with Show, Big Show, Who
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: I love your way you were. I don't know if
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: anyone else has ever told you this. He often will say,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: Taker told me this, Taker told me this.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: Take.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: He told me he was really big on reiterating something
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: you had taught him. And I don't know if I've
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: told this story on the podcast before, but I had
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: a moment with Show that was it changed my entire career.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: But I was wrestling for ten nights in a row,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: just on an overseas tour, and it was before we
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: had wrestled at WrestleMania, and he was beaten the first
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: three or four nights. We were doing so much haha,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: hit me and he found this rubber chicken one time,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: beat me with it and kept asking me to feed
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: up and get hit with it more. And then it
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: had me spit someone's drink in his way. It was
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: just a lot of kind of like this vaudeville comedy.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: And I don't know what was striking me at the time. Again,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: like there's other stuff going on with you, and usually
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: your dancing partner has to somehow hear about it or
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: feel it because you it's hard to keep it all contained.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: But I told him myself, I'm gonna go in the
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: locker room. I'm and tell him, hey, I don't really
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: want to do the comedy stuff anymore. And I'm talking
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: myself up on the bus. And you know, I got
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: a good relationship with him. He seems to listen to
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: my ideas when I have him, so okay, And I
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: just told him, I said, hey, I uh, I don't
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: want to do Haha anymore. I want to I want
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: to get this to the right place before WrestleMania. And he, uh,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: he was not happy, but he he kinda I could
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: tell he looked at me and wanted to probably say
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: something meaner, but then maybe rethought it and he just
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: looked at me though, and he goes, Okay, well then
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: you should get over and he left and I thought, yep, yeah,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: that's right. And we did more comedy for the next
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: six nights than we had ever done, and there was
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: a lesson in it all because I remember it's like, did
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: you hear him out there? Like, when you come back,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: you have equity with this crowd. You entertained them on
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: this random live event show that didn't have a lot
• 1:20:22
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• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: he was dead on dead right. People still talk about
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: silly stuff that we did, and like the rubber Chicken
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: is still somehow involved in my career to find his
• 1:20:32
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Of course we Yeah, sounds great. My gosh, that spot
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  Speaker 2: Nine seconds.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so quick, and it's like the spot happens
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• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: not a good call because he was a beloved babyface
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: at the time and I was just kind of on
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: the come up. But right when that happens, it's like
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: they missed production, missed that whole spot. But then they're like, hey,
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: it's Cody's he's in there. He's in the center. So
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: just me on the video wall, right in the center.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not doing anything now, so I have this second
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  Speaker 1: or two to think what could I do? And then
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  Speaker 1: you were in the corner, and I just remember, like
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: what Randy had taught me and what everyone else. I thought, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'll just Yeah, he's the big dog in the yard,
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  Speaker 1: so I'll go for I'll go after him, right and
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  Speaker 1: I'm not thinking about part two of this. I'm just
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  Speaker 1: thinking I'm gonna They're on me. I can't not commit,
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  Speaker 1: I can't freeze. So I run up behind you. And
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  Speaker 1: I always tell people I hit you really super hard.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I did, but I think I hit
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  Speaker 1: you hard enough that you could not not sell. You
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  Speaker 1: could not You had to know someone was at least
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: behind the registry. You had to do something. But I
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: hit you in the back and then I saw you
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: flip your hair, and you you started back pedaling again
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: in the slasher style, and you're turning. I'm oh man,
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: oh like I'm the heel now and there filming now
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: that they're on just us. It's a two shama. This
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  Speaker 1: looks like it was a pre call. This looks like
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: the spot, but this isn't the spot I would have
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  Speaker 1: ever prepared. And now I'm thinking, well, obviously, you just
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: sell at this point. This is an easy gig at
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: this point, not my ideal go, but just sell. He's
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: gonna goozle you whatever it may be. And you did,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: so you goozle me. Thinking, well, here we go. I'm
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  Speaker 1: going up and this is there. Jump as high as
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: you can, which I wish that Era would come back, Like,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: jump as high as you can try and jump higher
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: than your buddy, all those things, right, So you goozle me,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: but then you like kind of shaking me, and you said,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: kick me in the knee. I kicked you in the knee,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, all right, I have no clue. We're
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: an uncharted territory here, but you still kind of half
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: got me. And uh, he said, drop kick me. I
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: do a drop kick, thinking, oh, all right, great, I
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: drop kick you. And you took this big bump.
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  Speaker 4: You took this big bump, and I thought, twenty one
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  Speaker 4: years old, no clue, Like, I don't even know where
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 4: to get my gear from at this point, I don't
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 4: even know how I got called up.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: I know I got called up. I was Dusty's son,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: and they thought, oh, he's ready, long before I was
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: ready to go. But I'm so glad I got that
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: experience because nothing could have prepared me for anything like that.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: But the best part is you took this great bump,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: And in my mind I'm thinking that that that's great.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: Undertaker's Undertaker's cool. He's the coolest, But also, what do
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: you do? It's the objective is to throw another guy out,
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: so I'm not gonna pick you up. I just kind
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: of go over to a corner and grab a leg
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: and I think you kind of came and got me
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: like hey, what's up?
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: Man?
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: Like hey, like hey, and they like to finish, like
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: you can't just drop kick me and take it by
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: and then not nothing happened. But I had nothing else
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: and it ended up being this great moment. There's a
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: really great picture and it's the garden. I got to
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: be in there for a little bit and feel it.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: And this was the rumble where Michael Hayes was telling
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: everybody to sell for everyone. Fast forwardy years later when
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: he's like, don't sell for so what?
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: Which is it? Free bird?
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: But that was just such a great moment. Thank you,
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: by the way. That was that was really special. I
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: also the art of calling it right. Never saw it
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: just you and Hunter and the talking Carney or hair
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: in front of your mouth, whatever it was. Magic was
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: not revealed right, And I thought, that's just I got
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: so much out of it. The smallest thing.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, those times I would I would choose those kind
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: of instances to do things that even you, yeah, like
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: oh he's going to kill me, now he's gonna you know,
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: I just I like to create little moments like that
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: and those kind of matches that catch people off guard, right,
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: and then you know what you do with that after
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: the fact is kind of left up to you. But
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: just like people were like looking around like what the yeah,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: what what just happened there? Right? And sometimes you know,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: sometimes it helps, sometimes.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: It doesn't, but it's worth taking the shot.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: It's worth taking the shot. Sometimes it's not going to
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: hurt me, yeah, right, but what it potentially could do
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: for for you or whoever I'm doing that kind of
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: stuff with could potentially, you know, turn it into something
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: really good.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: So that's cheers, Yes, for sure, Thank you cheers. As
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: we wrap up this wonderful speakeasy busy signal in Austin, Texas,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: I have to ask you. We ask everybody who comes
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: from the pod. We the American vod can myself, we
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: like to consider ourselves the American dream Team. And I
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: like to ask everyone who is their dream team? And
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: I always say, it can be Zombie Apocalypse, it can
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: be Survivor series, it can be a man and his dog.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: It's your number of people or objects or animals.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: It's it's who's coming with you, who's coming with me?
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: And how many do I need for for for the
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: safe safe for yep, hmmm my dream team, I'm have
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: to start with my brother Caine has got my back
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: on that. So hm hmmm, I'm gonna take I'm gonna
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: take Sean with me. Oh wow, all right, Kurt Angle.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, so no one's gonna beat this team at all? Yeah, alrighty,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: all right.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: We're talking like we're wrestling dream Are we talking into
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: a bar fight? Are we talking about wrestling?
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: I think in both settings this kind of is working
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: because of the fact that you have Kurt. Kurt helps, Yeah,
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: Kurt's helping a lot.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. We got we got Sean to get us into
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: the fight, yep. And we've got Curt to get you
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: out of paying to get us out. I need one
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: more yeah, Andre.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's uh, that's the forever five on five champ
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: for We're not doing too many jobs. No, I don't
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: think you're doing any I tried to back the day,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: my dad would have me come up with war games
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: teams in the car. He'd be like, what's your team,
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: and he'd always be it's not good, it's not good.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: And I finally was like, what's the problem with this team?
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: Because you gotta gotta pick someone who can lose. And
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: I thought, oh, all right, all right, we'll put him
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: in there. Yeah, because I was just picking every every
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: towsome talent that's next.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: Level thinking though, yeah, like he's he's thinking as the booker,
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: you got to be able to beat somebody here.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: But I feel like those old war games, it was
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: so clearly JJ Dillon or Paul ellery he was. It
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: was almost like you isolated, don't get near you know
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: Paul a little bit, he's holding his ozone, but don't
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: get near JJ. There's a whole nother psychology to it,
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: like once they do the same with Bobby Heenan in
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: a lot of those settings.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: Right here at.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: Busy signal, I'm going to show you this Wheetley Vodka
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: jingle and I'm going to ask you to change one
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: of the words to it.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: Here.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 4: You got the moscow, always give the mute.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: Vodka is good. As an American, you coaly so good,
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: I drink wheatle so good. I drink it neatly. If
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: you could take the word neatly and replace it with anything,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: what would you do wheatly, so good. I drink it nightly, nightly.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: That's perfect. Ladies and Gentlemen, Hall of Famer on what
• 1:30:21
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• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: two as I am coming to your podcast. It's happening,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: Ladies and Gentlemen, The Undertaker