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Ace Frehley In His Words: From KISS To Going Solo & Getting Sober [Episode 335] · Booked On Rock with Eric Senich

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  Speaker 1: The story of Ace Frehley, told by Ace himself. Author
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  Speaker 1: Greg Prato on the show to talk about his brand
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  Speaker 1: new book, talk to Me Conversations with Ace Frehley. That's
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  Speaker 1: next on booked on Rock.
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  Speaker 2: To Rock and Roll. I mean got to leave you.
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  Speaker 2: You're reading Little Hands says it's time to rock and roll.
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  Speaker 1: Roll up, I totally booked. Welcome back to book don
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  Speaker 1: rock the podcast for those about to read and rock on.
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  Speaker 1: Eric senach as he promised he was going to put
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  Speaker 1: out an Ace Frehley book. He promised it a few
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  Speaker 1: weeks ago. He is back and he has come through
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  Speaker 1: with that promise. The brand new book is a compilation
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  Speaker 1: of interviews that he did with Ace over the years.
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  Speaker 1: The book is titled Talk to Me Conversations with Ace Frehley.
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  Speaker 1: It is Greg Predo. Greg, thanks for coming back on
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  Speaker 1: to share some of what's in this brand new book.
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  Speaker 2: Hello Eric, thanks for having me back on. I definitely
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  Speaker 2: appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: Ace passed on October sixteenth. You were able to get
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  Speaker 1: this book out in less than a month. I imagine
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  Speaker 1: you had some late nights working on this book. Talk
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  Speaker 1: about the process putting it together. You had comments from
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  Speaker 1: several people paying tribute to Ace, including Joe Bonamasa, David Ellison,
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  Speaker 1: Kim File, Alex LIFs in a Rush.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, the thing is honestly, like the title says,
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  Speaker 2: it's The idea for the book was after Ace passed,
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  Speaker 2: I was very sad listening to a lot of his music,
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  Speaker 2: and then I had the realization, you know, I interviewed
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  Speaker 2: him many many times over the years, and we covered
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  Speaker 2: a wide variety of topics, both his professional life, personal life,
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  Speaker 2: you know, kiss, solo, career, everything, And I realized, you know,
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  Speaker 2: what about if I compile all these interviews into a
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  Speaker 2: single book, similar to the book called Eruption, which was
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  Speaker 2: by Brad Tolensky and I believe a second gentleman, I
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  Speaker 2: forget the name of There you go, Yeah, and they combined,
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  Speaker 2: they combined all the interviews conducted with the great Eddie
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  Speaker 2: van Halen. So I figured, well, that was such a
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  Speaker 2: great book. What about for because Aces is I think
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  Speaker 2: a fantastic, very highly influential guitarist as well. So I
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  Speaker 2: did that, and then I happened to over the years
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  Speaker 2: have made you know, friendships and also acquaintances with several
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  Speaker 2: renowned rock musicians and also rock names, So I reached
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  Speaker 2: out to people. I reached out to a few people
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  Speaker 2: just saying I'm working on this book about Ace. I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna be compiling all my interviews. Would you be interested
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  Speaker 2: in being also interviewed for this book so I could
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  Speaker 2: include several tribute interviews, brand new interviews. And I was
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  Speaker 2: lucky many of the people that I asked were like, yes,
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  Speaker 2: absolutely so yeah, the people that you just mentioned, most
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  Speaker 2: of them were phone interviews. Alex Liveson was through a
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  Speaker 2: email Q and A, but he still told some pretty
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  Speaker 2: good stories. He gave the story behind the character called
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  Speaker 2: the Bag. Are you are you?
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  Speaker 1: I did not familiar with that, Eric, Oh I did.
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  Speaker 1: I've read it in the book. First time I ever
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  Speaker 1: saw that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a famous thing of people. I may not
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  Speaker 2: know when Kiss and Rushed toured together back in seventy
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  Speaker 2: four seventy five, Ace and Peter were the partiers of
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  Speaker 2: Geddy and also Alex were the partyers of Rush, and
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  Speaker 2: they would often congregate after shows and they would hang
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  Speaker 2: out drink and party, and Alex came up with a
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  Speaker 2: character called the Bag, which I guess they get a
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  Speaker 2: little stoned or drunk, and Alex would put a paper
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  Speaker 2: bag over his head and make a face and he
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  Speaker 2: would start insulting people and as in particular fan that
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  Speaker 2: character to be hilarious. So he actually mentioned it during
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  Speaker 2: one of our interviews. And I know he talked also
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  Speaker 2: Eddie Trunk over the years about the character called the Bag,
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, that was talked about. And yeah, also Kim
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  Speaker 2: Thile from Soundguard, and I was very very very nice
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  Speaker 2: to him to take out. He took out time while
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  Speaker 2: they were rehearsing for the whole Rock and Roll Hall
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  Speaker 2: of Fame induction.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw that performance.
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  Speaker 2: And also even the great Eddie Trunk was on a
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  Speaker 2: cruise I believe, or he was like on some vacation.
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  Speaker 2: He wasn't on a vacation. He was m seeing a
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  Speaker 2: rock event somewhere. I forget. I don't know if it
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  Speaker 2: was a cruise or where was. But yeah, I call
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  Speaker 2: you know he's like, yeah, I'm gonna be kind of busy,
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  Speaker 2: but I'll try to make time for you. And too,
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  Speaker 2: he was a man of his word. He also made time.
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  Speaker 2: Also Matt Pinfield was about to leave to go on
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  Speaker 2: a cruise or something for Coed and Cambria, and he
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  Speaker 2: made time. And that became the books forward, So that's cool. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I'm very happy with a lot of the great people
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  Speaker 2: and yet, and what's great is it's a wide variety
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  Speaker 2: of people and from a wide variety of different musical styles.
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  Speaker 2: And it's great that all shows the wide variety of
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  Speaker 2: musical styles that a'ce Freeley and also Kiss touched over
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  Speaker 2: the years.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, and you interviewed Ace a lot. He talked a
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  Speaker 1: lot with you. Was he easy to get stories out
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  Speaker 1: of him? Or was he was he did you have
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  Speaker 1: to pull things out of him? I don't get that feeling.
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  Speaker 1: I think he was open to talking about anything, right.
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  Speaker 2: No, his life was a complete open book, which was
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  Speaker 2: I think so so great about him just as a
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  Speaker 2: person and also his career. Yeah, I was lucky to
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  Speaker 2: do once a face to face interview with him back
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  Speaker 2: and I think it was like two thousand and nine.
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  Speaker 2: It was while he was promoting his well not his
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  Speaker 2: first solo album, but this first solo album in many,
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  Speaker 2: many years is an album called.
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  Speaker 1: Anomaly, one of my favorites from him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I went, I went into New York City and
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  Speaker 2: you know what's weird is I can't I can't remember
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  Speaker 2: the exact place but it was like a rehearsal type
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  Speaker 2: studio that I think was owned by Gibson Guitars at
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  Speaker 2: the time. But I don't think. I don't think it's
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  Speaker 2: around anymore because I haven't heard anything about it. It
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  Speaker 2: may just been like a short lived thing. I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 2: But I had a full hour just just me and
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  Speaker 2: a sitting in a rehearsal type studio place. And yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it was great speaking with him. And over the years, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I realized I interviewed him so many times for either
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  Speaker 2: book projects, sites magazines, So yeah, it was great to
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  Speaker 2: speak with him. And again it's a wide variety of topics,
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  Speaker 2: everything from his guitar gear to his personal life, songwriting.
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  Speaker 2: Everything was great. And then also, since you're a big
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  Speaker 2: Van Halen fan, I had to do to gentlemen. His
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  Speaker 2: name is Paris Mayhew. He He is probably best known
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  Speaker 2: as the original guitarist of the band The Cromags, which
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  Speaker 2: were a very influential hardcore type band back in the eighties.
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  Speaker 2: He put in an album that tends to get overlooked
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  Speaker 2: from nineteen eighty six called The Age of Quarrel, which
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  Speaker 2: I highly recommend. It's like Black Sabbath meets hardcore. It's
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  Speaker 2: very original, great great album. But yes, this gentleman, the
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  Speaker 2: guitarist Paris May he was now in a band called
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  Speaker 2: it is called Agros, and he's a big, big Ace fan.
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  Speaker 2: I've become friendly with him over the years, and on
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  Speaker 2: Facebook he's always posting things about Ace, how he was
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  Speaker 2: a big fan of Ace growing up. And I answered
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  Speaker 2: him for the book and he dropped a bit of
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  Speaker 2: a bombshell that if you're a van Halen fan, he claims.
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  Speaker 2: Now when he said this, I was like, wait a second.
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  Speaker 2: There is a unaccompanied guitar solo on Kiss Alive two.
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  Speaker 2: It's at the end of the song shock Me. So
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  Speaker 2: it's Ace Frely just by himself, live on stage playing
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  Speaker 2: and he said, Paris said this, go back and compare
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  Speaker 2: that solo to Eruption. And Paris's theory is that Eddie
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  Speaker 2: modeled Eruption after that solo. What really And if you
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  Speaker 2: go back and listen to it, I'm not gonna say
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  Speaker 2: Eddie ripped it off note for note. But there are
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  Speaker 2: definitely some comparisons, Like he says, there's a point where
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  Speaker 2: he's fingerpicking, there's a point where he does dive bombs.
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  Speaker 2: Although Ace isn't he didn't have a Floyd Rose tremlo.
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  Speaker 2: He did. Ace did a thing that used to be
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  Speaker 2: called dinosaur Benz, which you would take the sixth string,
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  Speaker 2: the e string and bend it. In fact, I asked
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  Speaker 2: Ace about this and he talks about he talks about
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  Speaker 2: this in the book. But yeah, he's doing all these
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  Speaker 2: things that if you listen to Eruption and compare that
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  Speaker 2: side by side, there are definitely some similarities.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the live version solo.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah it is. Yeah, it's on the live two album.
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  Speaker 2: The song shocked Me. It's not the guitar solo in
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  Speaker 2: the middle of his song. It's at the it's at
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  Speaker 2: the end of the song. They go into a jam part.
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  Speaker 2: Then Ace just does a unaccompanied solo by himself. And
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  Speaker 2: that's what he's talking about.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, because that's gonna rile up the diehard Eddie fans,
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  Speaker 1: it is, how dare you? But I'll give it a listen, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'll give it a listen. That would have been Where
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  Speaker 1: was that recorded? Was that recorded at the LA Forum?
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  Speaker 2: That was at the LA Forum in nineteen seventy seven.
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  Speaker 2: And I also interviewed Ace once and he claims that
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  Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy six, Eddie Van Halen saw Kiss perform
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  Speaker 2: Madison Square Garden because I once asked Ace about how
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  Speaker 2: if he was one of the first rock guitarists to
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  Speaker 2: do the two handed tapping thing, and to Ace's credit,
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  Speaker 2: he said, yeah, you know, Eddie saw me do it,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, we all. He didn't necessarily say that
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  Speaker 2: like Eddie ripped him off. He just said that rock
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  Speaker 2: guitarists are influenced and take things from everyone.
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  Speaker 1: So oh, absolutely yeah.
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  Speaker 2: If he inspired him to do it, then he was
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  Speaker 2: very happy to hear about that. But of course the
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  Speaker 2: famous thing that, of course Eddie van Hallen says that
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  Speaker 2: he saw Jimmy Page doing the thing live where he
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  Speaker 2: put his hand up and he was just doing like
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  Speaker 2: a pull off thing. And then Eddie Van Hallen realized, well, wait,
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  Speaker 2: if he's doing that, what if I use my finger
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  Speaker 2: as like a nut and move it up And then
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  Speaker 2: he experiment and that so he came up with the
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  Speaker 2: tuna tapping things supposedly.
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  Speaker 1: To leap to that he's ripping off Ace. That's not
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  Speaker 1: what it is. All these guitarist musicians play off of
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  Speaker 1: each other. They see something and they inspire each other.
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  Speaker 1: And that's very, very possible that that's where it is.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why I asked if it was at the
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  Speaker 1: LA Forum because obviously that's closest to where Eddie lived
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  Speaker 1: and in nineteen seventies.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, nineteen seventies six. But then according to Ace
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  Speaker 2: Eddie I get. You know, what it could have been
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  Speaker 2: is when Gene flew Van Helen out to do the
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  Speaker 2: demo in seventy six. Maybe Kiss was playing Madison Square
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  Speaker 2: Garden around that time and they got to see Kiss perform.
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  Speaker 2: That's at least what a says. Okay, Yeah, he was
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  Speaker 2: playing Madison Square Garden. He looked in the audience and
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  Speaker 2: he saw the Van Hellen there.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting. Well, well, you talked about Ace being open to
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  Speaker 1: talking about anything, and his sobriety was something he talked about,
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  Speaker 1: something he was really proud of. He was proud of
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  Speaker 1: the fact that guitarists were influenced by him or inspired
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  Speaker 1: by him, but he was really proud about being sober.
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  Speaker 1: There's a comment that he told you in two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and nine. I'm assuming I think this is the one
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  Speaker 1: that you went to New York City to interview him for.
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  Speaker 1: And he said, for the longest time. He would get sober,
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  Speaker 1: but then still want to drink and eventually go back,
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  Speaker 1: but at that point he was done with it. And
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  Speaker 1: he was proud of the fact that people would come
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  Speaker 1: up to him, like a fan would come up to
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  Speaker 1: him and tell him, I got sober because you inspire
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  Speaker 1: me to get sober, and that I get the feeling
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  Speaker 1: that meant a lot to him, because he brought up
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  Speaker 1: his sobriety. I think in every interview you did with him.
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  Speaker 2: It did. Yeah, it did. Yeah, I think it definitely
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  Speaker 2: meant a lot to him. But you know, like one
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  Speaker 2: thing that you know, I interviewed for this book also
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  Speaker 2: David Ellison, the former bassist from the band Megadeath, and
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  Speaker 2: I asked him, I said, you know, because Dave David
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  Speaker 2: Ellison also struggled for a long well not a long time,
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  Speaker 2: but in the eighties. It's not a secret that he
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  Speaker 2: and also Dave Mustaine were addicted to heroin and also
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  Speaker 2: other substances, but they both wanted up getting clean. And
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  Speaker 2: I asked David Ellison if you ever had the opportunity
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  Speaker 2: to sit down and speak with Ace about this, and
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  Speaker 2: he said, yes, actually we didn't. He talks about the
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  Speaker 2: whole thing. And something that him and Ace agreed on
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  Speaker 2: is that they didn't you know, they would, I guess
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  Speaker 2: mention they would discuss this in interviews, but they kind
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  Speaker 2: of felt like that it was up to the individual
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  Speaker 2: to kind of come to that decision themselves that they
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  Speaker 2: wanted to get clean and sober. It's not something you
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  Speaker 2: could really like make someone do. And that's really you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's something I talk about in a lot of my books,
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  Speaker 2: like you just had me on recently talking about the
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  Speaker 2: Alternative for the Mass's book. You know, just some people
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  Speaker 2: it clicks like they just get so fed up and
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  Speaker 2: they with you know, doing drugs or drinking and they're
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  Speaker 2: just like, I'm done with it. It's over. Whereas other people,
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  Speaker 2: like sadly, of course, like you know, Lane Staley or
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  Speaker 2: the great Shannon hun who have talked talked about a
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  Speaker 2: lot over the years, it just they just never get
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  Speaker 2: there and it just winds up, sadly, ultimately killing them.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, but I definitely got the vibe for
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  Speaker 2: Ace that he would alway that he was very happy
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  Speaker 2: that if someone seeing him get sober may have inspired
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  Speaker 2: them or at least showed them like, look, you know,
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  Speaker 2: if Ace could do it after many, many years of
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  Speaker 2: struggling and not being sober. If he could do it,
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  Speaker 2: then I could do it. I think that definitely was
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  Speaker 2: a major thumbs up from.
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  Speaker 1: Him and no coincidence that as soon as he gets
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  Speaker 1: sober he becomes really productive. That's another thing. He was
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  Speaker 1: really happy to talk about six studio albums between two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and nine and twenty twenty four six, and you
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  Speaker 1: could see how focused he was on the music during
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  Speaker 1: the years that you talked to him. Talks about the
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  Speaker 1: track Genghis Khan from Anomaly, which I love that track.
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  Speaker 1: I love that album. How it took five years to
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  Speaker 1: get it just right? What comes to mind for you
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  Speaker 1: when talking to him about his music and how focused
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  Speaker 1: he seemed to be once he was sober. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know what's funny is in the time that Ace
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  Speaker 2: put out six albums, Kiss put out maybe just like
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  Speaker 2: one album or something like that. So it shows, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: either one or two albums compared to Ace's six.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah it might.
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  Speaker 2: There was Monster, There was Monster, and uh, what was
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  Speaker 2: the other one?
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  Speaker 1: The one before that with Modern Delilah, Sonic Sonic Boom.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so those were the two. But yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I can speak from experience. I was lucky to see
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  Speaker 2: Ace three times over like a five year period. Like
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  Speaker 2: at the last time my song was twenty nineteen, and
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  Speaker 2: I saw him a few times right before that, and
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  Speaker 2: he still played great still, you know. I mean, of course,
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  Speaker 2: Ace would tell you he wasn't like a Freddie Mercury
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  Speaker 2: type vocal talent, but he still sang the song similar
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  Speaker 2: to how it sounded on the albums and everything he
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  Speaker 2: you know, like live some you know, the solos maybe
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  Speaker 2: weren't as like on point as they were back in
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  Speaker 2: the Kiss days. But he even would say during interviews like,
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  Speaker 2: look like I'm seventy years old now I can't play
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  Speaker 2: the same way I did back then. But he still
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  Speaker 2: absolutely had the spirit, the drive, and to be honest
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  Speaker 2: with you, watching some of the YouTube clips of Kiss
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  Speaker 2: on their last tours, I think Ace sounded really just
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  Speaker 2: as good because also Ace had a fantastic backing band.
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  Speaker 2: He always surrounded himself with great musicians. That's one thing
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  Speaker 2: you got to give him credit that he had a
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  Speaker 2: good eye and a good ear for picking out great
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  Speaker 2: you know, band members, going all the way back to
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  Speaker 2: of course, the drummer Anton Figg who played on his
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  Speaker 2: nineteen seventy eight solo album and then later went on
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  Speaker 2: to be a David Letterman Show band member.
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  Speaker 1: And as you know, he's on Unmasked.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, exactly, Kiss, Dynasty and also Unmasked Nasty Too. I forgot, yeah, yep,
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  Speaker 2: Dynasty too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And there's a famous story too that for one day
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  Speaker 2: he was a member of Kiss. After it was clear
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  Speaker 2: that Peter Criss is going to leave in nineteen eighty,
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  Speaker 2: Ace went to Gene and Paul and said, look, I
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  Speaker 2: think Anton Figg should be the drummer. And they're like,
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  Speaker 2: all right, that sounds good. And then Ace called Anton
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  Speaker 2: and said, look, you're in Kiss. Then the next day,
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  Speaker 2: Gene and Paul call Acet and like, you know, we
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  Speaker 2: thought about it. We don't think that's going to work.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe because Anton Figg had already been in a band
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  Speaker 2: that put out an album, so people knew his face.
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  Speaker 2: And that was when Kiss didn't want people to know
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  Speaker 2: what they look like. Sot had to call him back,
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  Speaker 2: had a cool Anton back and said, look, I have
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  Speaker 2: bad news. You know, it's not going to work out. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I remember Anton just saying it never worked out, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then and then of course they wound up
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  Speaker 2: getting uh. Of course Eric Carr, who wound up being
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  Speaker 2: a great.
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  Speaker 1: Drummer as well, who Ayce loved.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, Ace loved.
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  Speaker 1: He loved it.
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  Speaker 2: Of course. I did a book about Eric called The
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: Eric Carr Story, which yep, Eric Carr a great, great drummer, yep. Absolutely.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: December twenty twenty three, you interviewed As and he brought
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: up the topic of mortality, since so many musicians from
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: his era were passing. He seemed to be in good health.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: He told you about his doctor being impressed by his
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: blood work got better each year, so he seemed to
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: be okay.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: He did.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: Do we know I'm hearing that he fell twice, that
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: he fell once, he was he was recovering, but then
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: fell again.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. When I interviewed Eddie Trunk for the book, he
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: was in regular contact with Ace up until the very end.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: What happened was he fell. It was either in his
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: studio or at his house. He fell once. He hurt himself,
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: but it wasn't bad. Eddie got in contact with him
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: and he said, you know what happened to You're okay?
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: And he says, yeah, I'm fine. He took a spill,
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: you know, I just it wasn't that bad. I'm I'm
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: gonna be fine. And then they left off. They were
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: they were going to get together sooner or later for like,
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: you know, dinner or something like that. And then word
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: got to Eddie a while later that Ace took a
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: second fall, and this was the really bad fall. I
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: think he fell downstairs and he hit his head and
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: that led to brain bleed, I believe. And Eddie tried
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: reaching out to I tried texting him, had no response,
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: called him, no response. Then I think he got in
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: contact with Ace's actual family and that's when he was
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: told that yet very serious. And then sadly, of course,
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: on October sixteenth, twenty twenty five, he passed away.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: So no indication, there was no condition or anything, I
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: mean what led to him. But he was always kind
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: of like he would even joke himself about being a
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: little bit clumsy.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: Right well, he even had an album title called trouble Walking,
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: right yes.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, is it that simple, and it's it's hard
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: to hear that you'd like to you'd like to think
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: that there was, you know, maybe a more reasonable explanation,
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: like his health is failing.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: You know, there's no real really. I mean, one thing
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: that actually Eddie Trunk was very clear during my interview
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: is that Ace was sober until the very end. So
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: it wasn't like he was drunk. It wasn't like he
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: fell off the wagon. It's just all those things. Yeah,
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: this is maybe you get older, maybe his like balance
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: wasn't what it once was. You know, we're not too
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: sure exactly what, but yeah, so.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: That's what I loved about me. He had that kind
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: of stumble and then get himself together on stage type
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: of thing. He had that really cool rock and roll
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: kind of you know, that stride. Yeah, never in a rush,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: never in a hurry, you know. Just a little One thing.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: I've never shared with anyone that I'll actually share with
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: you and also your viewers and listeners is when I
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: did the face to face interview with him in two
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: thousand and nine, when we were given a tour of
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: like what was the like Gibson factory and there was
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: like a rehearsal studio and everything, And while we were
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: given the tour, I could tell it looked like he
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: almost walked with like a slight limp. So I don't know,
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: because again, of course you know, back in the early
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: eighties he had a really big car accident and all
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: this other stuff. So I don't know if he had
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: like a problem with his legs slightly or something like that,
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: but yeah, I could have sworn he walked a little
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: bit with a limp that one time I met him
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: in two thousand and nine.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: You mentioned the dinosaur Benz that Gene Simmons came up
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: with that term, but he also talked about the use
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: of the kill switch on the guitar came from Pete Townsend.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Yes, it did. Yeah, but Pete Townsend used it a
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: bit on some of the sixties era Who songs. But
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: I think it's really Ace that perfected it and really
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: brought it to like a wide audience, specifically metal shredder
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: type guitarists. Yeah, basically, what you do is the Gibson
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: lest Paul has two pickups, and you just turned the
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: volume down on one pick up up so it's totally dead,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: and the other one, you you know, have the volume up,
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: so when you're doing the toggle switch, it creates a
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: what they call kill switch effect.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Would Ace pretty much popularize, but it's been used elsewhere, like,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: for instance, in the Pretender's song Tattooed Love Boys, which
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: is one of my favorite songs and favorite solos by
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: the late great James Honeyman Scott. At the end he
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: does that, he does the kill switch thing to wrap
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: up the solo at the end.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Dave Mannichetti Ryan T.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: I know the helicopter sound, right, Yeah.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, yeah. Many people have used it. I believe
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: John Five, maybe Bumblefoot. I believe there's other people that have. Oh,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: I believe Buckethead. I think is also a kill switch guy,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: But that was always a cool part of Ass's style.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: He isn't that kill switch during his solo? He once
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: wrote it for Jimmy Hendrix. He has. He always had
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: some great stories to tell. He was a great storyteller too,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: just the way he told him. So you asked him
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: if it was true, if he rooted for Jimmy Hendrix,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: and he went right into a great story. What did
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: he say about whether that was true or not?
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what happened was it was the summer of nineteen seventy.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: I believe it was the last time Jimmy Hendricks ever
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: played New York. It was a place called Randall's Island,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: which was a like I said, an island. It was
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: a outdoor venue that would sometimes have shows and it
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: was a multi bind bill. I forget what the name
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: of the show was, but there were other bands I
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: believe like Mountain was on the bill and also some others.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: And Ace was there. This is a good three years
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: before he joined Kiss, and no one knew who he
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: was or anything. And he said he was there. He
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: was walking around and he saw the backstage area and
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: he said, in nineteen seventy he wasn't like what it was,
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: just like a few years later that they had security
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: and things like that, you could pretty much if you
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: wanted to just walk right back there. So he said,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: you know, I'll just walk right back there, pretending like,
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: you know, like I know like what I'm doing, or
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: like I'm part of the you know, crew or something.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: So he walks back. He's looking around and one of
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: the guys comes up to me. He's like, who are
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: you And he's like, Oh, to be honest with you,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: I'm just a fan just walking around. He's like, well,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: what do you do, Like, do you have any talent
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: or anything. It's like, well, I have I've experienced setting
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: up drums and he's like, all right, well come on,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: and he wound up setting up Mitch Mitchell's drum set
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: that night, which was a very My name's Paul.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: All right, can't come on in, right, can you? What
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: can you do? The battles that he had with Kiss,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: the former members that he worked with, Gene and Paul,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: they were publicized so much, and I wondered if Face
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: got tired of talking about it, But it didn't seem
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: that way. I mean, you would ask him about it.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: He never He never gave you an indication like I'm
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: tired of talking about this. He just he was open
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: about it, wasn't he No.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you when I think about Ace, he would
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: talk about everything. I mean he's talked about in interviews,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: not necessarily with me, like other people, like very personal
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: things about his like sex life and things like that.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Like I don't know if you saw this thing that's
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: come that's getting a lot of views after he passed away,
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: because everyone's looking class took, like you know, Ace interviews.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: He was interviewed by Loudwaire and he talked about a
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: wild weekend he had with Diamebag Darrel and he gets
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: very graphic about it. Oh what he did, Yeah, he
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: should check that out, like it's pretty He was His
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: whole life was a complete was a complete open book.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: So you gotta give him credit that he was just
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: he later all on the line.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting his view on on that
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: whole story of the kiss, the war and between the
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: members that he never I don't know, like he didn't
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: seem to be he didn't. He would take things personally.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: He'd get pissed off. I remember he was on Eddie
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Trunk get really pissed at Paul Stanley about something. But
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: then like a month later, even less, he'd just be like, yeah,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: you know, it's no big deal. I just talked to
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Paul the other day and everything's fine. It's like I
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: just went back and forth. They kept in touch. It
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: was this weird kind of like, hey, it's show business.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: This is what it is. I still love those guys. Yeah,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: you know, we we don't fight, and there's a lot
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: of stuff. There's a lot of business dealings. Like Jean
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: said that Ace and Peter were invited to be part
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: of the End of the Road final show but they
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: said no, And I think they said Ace wanted more money,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: So there was never any real definitive It was just
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: a back and forth thing that just seemed to go
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: on even when they were together. It seemed that way.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was. And I also once they asked Ace,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: not only once, but twice, I asked him about like,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: what's the story with your makeup design? Do you own
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: it and just Kiss? Like yes, you know, like does
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Kiss pay you a fee to use it? Or what's
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: the story? And Ace, to the best of his knowledge,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: he said, he said, I never signed it away to Kiss.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: But if I think what probably took now, I send
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: that to back up a little bit. Peter Chris did
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: sell his makeup design to Kiss sore they completely own that.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Ace for many years did not sell it. I think
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: what probably happened is he would license it to Kiss.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: So what happened is Kiss or and Ace talks about
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: this one of the interviews that it was in perpetuity,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: which means I believe like forever. So if I kind
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: of am trying to connect the dots, if I take
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: a guess, I would say that he must have least
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: he must have signed an agreement with Kiss that they
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: could use it as much as they want, but he
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: I think received some kind of compensation for it being
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: used on merchandise and things like that. To the best
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: of my knowledge, Peter Chris did not make anything off
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: of March and stuff like that. So that so that
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: to me probably makes the most sense, because I know
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Paul Stanley has gone public saying no, we own it,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: but then Ace would say, no, you don't. They don't
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: own it. I never I never sold it to them outright.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: His relationship with Paul the nyn damnic there is interesting
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: because he's the three books that were written by the
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: by Paul, Jean and Peter, and in terms of what
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Ace thought of them, it's Paul's book that he kind
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: of took the most offense to. He didn't like some
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: of the things Paul said in the book, and he's
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: been vocal in interviews where he'd be pretty pissed off
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: with Paul. But then again, going back to what I
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: was just saying, then he'd be on Paul's solo album. Yeah,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: So you know, it's it's like, what's I don't know,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: It's just like this back and forth. And even with
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: like Gene when Jeane did his Vault tour, a showed
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: up and there's a video on YouTube where they're doing
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: a press conference doing a Q and A, and you
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: could just see Gene is so respectful to Ace, you know,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: he just he really loved him. So it's just that
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: weird back and forth thing that that's different, I think
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: from other bands. It's not like with Van Halen, you're
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: not gonna see You're not gonna see like Dave and
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Sammy there, you know and having a love fest.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Or I mean, you could maybe say it wasn't as
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: venomous as the David Lee Roth Van Halen brother relationship,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: but deadly Roth and the Vanillen brothers were able to
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: co exist from time to time. I don't think it
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: was ever that there wasn't that much dislike between Ace
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: and Jane and Paul, but just it seemed like was
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: a very very laid back fellow. He never really held
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: things in as much. It seemed like Gene and Paul
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: were always very like, especially in interviews, very vocal about
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: like bad mouthing former Kiss members and things like that,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: or his Ace would sometimes say things like, for instance,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: he was pretty honest with me, he asked, I mean,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: he told me once and this is in the book.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Towards the end of his last go around with Kiss,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: which would have been in the early two thousands, he
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: said it was getting to the point again that Gene
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: and Paul were driving him crazy. And then but to
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Ace's crit and he says, but I was also making
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: them crazy, you know, so at least he could see
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: the thing with the only exception I have as a
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Kiss fan, like, I understand, no one is completely, like,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: you know, totally innocent. I know that Ace does did things,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Peter did things, Geene, Paul, they no one's perfect. But
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: I just think that I'm trying to think how I
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: could word this.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Ace is more willing to take his half of the responsibility.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: I think that's what it is, and that he was
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: willing to let bygones be bygones kind of and yet
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: not like in kind of take the high road and
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: maybe even just admit, like you know, there's the famous
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: saying that it takes two to tango, but in that case,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: it was four, you know.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: And I think he hit the nail on the head.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: And like you said, he's very laid back, lets things go,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: he moves on, right. I think that's really it.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure one of the times. Yeah, you know,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking about it. You know, I'm not just saying
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: it because I just wrote a you know, because I
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: just compiled a book about Ace. But he he did
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: during our interview say some pretty insightful, enlightening things about
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: him not wanting to hold things in, you know, like
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: it's not worth carrying around the baggage and all that
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: type of stuff. To me, you know what it probably
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: I would imagine it went hand in hand with him
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: also getting sober and putting drugs behind him. I think
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: when in certain instances, when you do that, you get
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: enlightened and you maybe see life differently, and you also
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: appreciate life, And.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: I think you bring up a good point. I think, yep,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: with the recovery, a lot of that is forgiving others,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: forgiving yourself, that kind of thing. And he had a
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: sense of humor about himself. One of the interviews, it
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: might have been loudwire, but he's pulling his shirt over.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: He's I kind of want anybody who see my gut.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Well. Yeah. One of the people answered for the book
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: is Don Jamison, who we all know from that Metal show,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: but he's also a great stand up comic yep, And
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: I asked him about Ace. I was like, you know,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: could he have been a stand up comic? And he
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: gave me he gave a pretty good answer. Don did.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: And he also talks about the famous Tomorrow Show interview
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: with Tom Snyder where a stress takes over the whole
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: show and he's laughing and he's drunk and you could
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: see that Paul and Jean is not having it. They're
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: not happy at all. But Don Jamison talks about that
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: if you watch that show, it's almost similar to a
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: stand up comic that you start off strong in the
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: middle or the end, sometimes it goes down a little bit,
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: but then you end very very strong yet like very
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: very great laughs or you end on a high note.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: And that's exactly what they did with that.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: That's an interesting look at it. What was the story
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: about the smoking flute?
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Smoking flute? Yes, yeah, what it was was great with Ace.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: And Don also talks about this is he would like
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: to take He would like to surprise when he'd come
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: on the shows. He would like to do like a
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: surprise thing. And he didn't tell him ahead of time
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: that he had a prop so because Ace was famous
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: for his whole smoking smoking a guitar effect live. He
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: didn't tell anyone that he had a smoking flute, so
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: he had it in his jacket. And I actually actually
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: went back and watched this just maybe like two or
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: like three days ago. And he tells the three guys
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: on the show, all right, look, you know, I don't
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: want you to look at me like, you know, cover
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: your eyes are like turn away, and then he he does.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: He lights it and he's blowing it and then all
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, yes, smoke starts coming out of it,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: and all the guys are laughing, and it's a lot funnier. Net.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: I remember when I saw it for the first time,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: I thought it was okay, But now that I see
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: it that, I really do think it's very very funny.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: And I highly recommend people look up ace fairly coma
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: smoking flute find online.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: He had a cool story about the origins of the
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: smoking guitar.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Yeap, which he actually told me, and he told.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: You that, and it's it's really the specific guitar that
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: he used that allowed him to do that, right, put
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: a little smoke bomb on the inside of the guitar.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he talks about it would have been in nineteen
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: seventy four, during one of Kisses early tours, he realized
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: that if I put a smoke bomb in one of
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: my guitars, if I put it in the back cavity
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: behind the pickup and put the back plate back on
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: and lit it, there's the only way the smoke is
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: going to escape is through the actual pickup the front.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: So he did that and he said it worked great.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: It got a great response from the audience. The only
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: problem is, he said it gummed up the inner workings
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: of the wires and stuff like that. So he had
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: to give it to a tech and they redid the
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: whole thing with like the wires, and yeah, they got
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: a better setup going forward. And yeah, with later kiss
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: tours you see that they have like a whole professional setup.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: A light would also shoot out of the pickup too,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: so when the smoke was coming out, it was kind
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: of a cool effect, especially if you were in like
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: an arena way back. You got to see like the
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: smoke and the guitar and everything like that.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Really cool. He was a less Paul guitar guy.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Less Paul guitar, yes, exactly.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: He also had a problem with what Paul told him
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: while they were recording nineteen ninety eight Psycho Circus. Right,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: not all four members are on that album. I think
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: they're only on one track, maybe two. It's into the Void,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Is Yeah, the only one was this song that actually
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Ace wrote, which is a song called into the Void. Yeah.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: I don't understand what Paul and Jean's thinking was with that.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: That whole album. I never liked. It doesn't sound like
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: a real Kiss album. I didn't like that, you know.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, I was hoping when that album came out
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: it was going to be a throwback to the seventies.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: In fact, to Paul and Jean's credit, the last two
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Kiss albums, Monster and Sonic Boom to me from what
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: I remember heard them in a long time, to be honest,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: but they had more of a rock seventies feel. That
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Psycho Circus album just sounded kind of like a bon
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Jovi produced album because it was I believe bon Jovi's producer.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken, Yeah, I believe.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: So. I can look it up because I look it
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: up here. Well, I look that up. I like Sonic Boom. Monsters, okay,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: but Sonic Boom I really liked. And you're right to
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: have that seventies sound to it.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I liked about it, that it was
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: more of a Kiss sound. But the only thing that
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: was missing was of course Ace and Peter. That would
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: have I would have liked to have heard that on the.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: What was the comment Paul made to him in the
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: studio nobody cares about you and Peter or oh?
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Ace, you know, asked like you said, You're like, you know,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: why am I not playing or something like that, you know,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: like the fans want to hear the full Kiss. I
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: want to hear me, Peter, you and Gene like why
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: is it not the full band? And Paul's comment was
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: something like all the fans don't care, and Ace was like,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: of course the fans care. What do you mean the
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: fans don't care.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: They bought tickets to the concerts.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: But but Kiss has been doing this since the beginning
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: of time, back to the early I think the Destroyer
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: album had a few songs that Ace doesn't even play
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: guitar on. So and then of course it continued. We
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: just talked about Anton fig playing drums on Dynasty and
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: also Unmasked. Ace didn't play on a few of the
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: songs on side four of a live two That was
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Bob Culeck.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and Alice Cooper's guitarist is on some tracks.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, Hunter was one of the guys, Steve Steve Hunter.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: It was a second guitar.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Another one, we can look it up. But Bruce Fairbairn
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: is the one that produced Psycho Circus. Okay, but yeah,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: the other.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: It is I see it as Dick Wagner.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: There you go, Dick Wagner. You got to me before
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: I got it on Google.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Now there was a common Paul and Jean made
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: that inspired Ace's seventy eight solo album.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Yes, it is. It's true. They had a meeting before
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: they were all going to go off into their own
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: and work on their own solo albums in seventy eight,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: and Gene and Paul turned to Ace. They had a meeting,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: some kind of business meeting, and they're about to leave,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: and they turned to Ace and said, look, Ace, if
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: you didn't any help, just you know, don't hesitate to
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: you know, call us. And Ace was like, all right, well,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: I mean that's kind of a dig. So he definitely
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: inspired him, and to his credit, that I think is
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: by far the best of the four solo albums that
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Ace Tuly seventy eight solo album.
• 34:17
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• 34:50
  Speaker 1: came up. You asked Ace to clarify whether or not
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: you know he owned the makeup design and all that
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: stuff which you alluded to. But what did he think
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: about Thayer? What was his opinion of him?
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Honestly, I made it a point not to bring up
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Tommy Thayer that much when I would interview him, but
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: from interviews I saw with others, he seemed like he
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: didn't really get along very well with him. There's a
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: famous story that I think is in Paul's book. I
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: supposedly Ace once punched Tommy Thayer because before Tommy joined
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Kiss as Aces spaceman type character, he was hired by
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Gee Well to back up Tommy Thayer first cross pads
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: with Gene because Gene produced the band Black and Blue,
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: which Tommy Thayer was a member of back in the eighties.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: He produced one or two albums of theirs, and then
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: they became friendly and Jane hired him as a as
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: a as a assistant back and I guess the late
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: eighties early nineties he actually had a co write on
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: the Kiss album Hot in the Shade, which was eighty nine,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: so he was already kind of working. He was already
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: part of the Kiss world as far back as eighty nine,
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: and then he continued working for Gene. Then he must
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: have then started working for Kiss because he was involved
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: in the whole entire I'm pretty sure he was behind
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: the whole Kiss convention thing when kisses. There were Kiss
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: conventions in the late eighties early nineties, but then Kissed
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: at their own Kiss convention in ninety four ninety five,
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: and they did the Kiss My Ass Tribute album and
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: all that stuff, and I believe Tommy Fair was was
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: definitely involved in that stuff. And then he was really
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: involved in the whole entire reunion and he was hired
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: to reteach Ace his solos, like him and Ace would
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: sit down and they would go over his solos and
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: they would probably compare him to CDs. And because also
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Tommy Fair was even a Kiss tribute band where he
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: would play the role of Ace freely, so he knew
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: all the solos and stuff. So he tried helping out
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Ace with that stuff. And then at some point, I
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: don't know what happened, but there was a backstage thing where.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Was running late or something. Yes, and in costume.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, yes, something something happened, That's.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: What it was. A shows up. It's like, what the
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: fuck is this guy?
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Something happen. A story goes that Ace punches Tommy. But
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: they must have been on decent terms because they know,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: like a while back, Ace was on a Kiss cruise
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: and he set in with Kiss and it was with
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Tommy Thayer and they're all on the same stage together playing.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: So again, yeah, Ace laid back, just let it go whatever.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: I mean. I'm sure at some point they must have
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: let bygones, be bygones. It wasn't like he held a
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: grudge or anything.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and he seemed to be cool with all
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: of the ex Kiss guitarists, including Vinnie Vincent.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Including Vinni Vincent, Yes exactly. He even said that his
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: quote is that he and Vinnie got on famously. Yeah, yeah, because.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: They now if anybody he'd be pissed out of be
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Vini Vincent because he took his spot and Kiss. But
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: then again, by the time that happened, Ace was already done.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: He didn't probably didn't care who was going to be
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: taking his place.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, about three or four years ago, there was a
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: thing called Creatures Fest, which was it had a jam
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: thing where it was Vinnie Vincent on top of a
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: tank to be a replica of the Kiss Creatures of
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: the Night Tour. So he's standing on top of a
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: tank and then to his left and right is Bruce Cullock.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: And also a switch to me is a little insulting
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: that Vinnie Vincent is on a higher thing than Ace.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, well, we all know Ace is by far
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: the most iconic, most important, most you know, legendary Kiss guitarist.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: And you're gonna put him below on a pedestal, but
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: just typical of Vinie Vincent right there.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: But anyway, you said it for me, right.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: I asked Ace about it, and he talked about it.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: He said he and Vinnie got along great. But then
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: I also interviewed Bruce Cullick, not for this book, for
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: a pye called Ultimate Guitar, which I did use this
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: interview in this book I included as a little bonus,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: and I asked him, how was it playing with Ace
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: and Vinnie on stage? And Bruce did not hold back.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: I give Bruce a lot of credit.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Well, Bruce does not like Vinnie Vincent.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: I forget his quote, but it was like it was
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: like in other world.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: It was.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: It was the wackiest on stage experience he's ever had.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: And I said at the time, this is when Ace
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: was still alive. I was like, would you ever play
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: with Ace and Vinnie again? I believe Ace he would,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: but no Vinnie. He was like, no, I will not
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: play with Vinnie again.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: No. Oh. Yeah. He did not like Vinnie.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: He did not. He did not like the whole experience.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: And he said that's it was.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Ace open to going back to kiss after he left
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: a no two.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Yes, I asked him. I actually asked him once he
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: at the time had just put out a studio album,
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: a solo album, and I said, so, now, if Kiss come,
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: This is right when Kiss announced they were doing the
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Farewell tour, and I said, so, if Kiss comes to you,
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: even though you have a new album out, do you like,
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: what do you do? And he says, A Kiss the
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: reunion would take precedence over any solo thing that I'm doing.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: He made it very clear. The thing that actually Eddie
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Trunk made a good point once Gene and Paul made
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: it seem in the press like, oh, of course, so
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: all the past members are invited. They could just show
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: up whenever they want. But you know, Eddie Trunk is like, yeah,
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: like you really like okay, So Ace Firley is going
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: to show up at the back door of some arena.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: He's gonna do this for free. There's not gonna be
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: any compensation. There's not gonna be any con They would
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: have been contracts, there would have been you know, payment. Obviously,
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: it's not as simple as someone just showing up and
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: coming and then and then the whole thing with all right,
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: so now you're all in makeup, like is Ace coming
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: up and makeup not makeup? Is he playing the whole show?
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Is he just coming up at the end, Like what's
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: the story?
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Gene and Paul, I think, use it to their advantage,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: just kind of baiting fans like, oh, are they going
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: to show up? Are they not? Especially with that last
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: those last shows at Madison Square Garden, there was a
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: whole thing in the air, like, oh, or Ace and
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Peter are going to show up, maybe just for like
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: one song. I mean, even though his talk is even like,
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: you know, Bruce going to show up, yeah, because that
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: probably would have made more sense Bruce just showing up
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: because he never he could have just showed up in
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: no makeup and just played some songs.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: But that would have been the perfect way to end it.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: And now, as we know, the questions is whether Peter
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: could get out there and do it well. Peter just
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: is about to release a full album, so he could
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: still play one show. I would think.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Yah. You know one thing that I definitely had that
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: I took exception to Gene and Paul is they always
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: made it seem like Peter and Ace couldn't play past
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: a certain point, and that's why they got rid of
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: them even in the nineties. I remember before the reunion,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: like Gene and Paul are very vocal about, oh, you know, Ace,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: he was once a great guitarist, but he just.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Bullshit chanced, he's not the same bullshit.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's total bullshit. Because you go back on YouTube.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: For the past week, I've been watching performances of Ace
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: from ninety four and ninety five, and he's playing better
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: than ever. And he's also playing rare kiss songs. And
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: that was also another thing which is total bullshit. Gene
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: and Paul were often asked during the reunion tours with
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Ace and Peter, why are you not bringing back or
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: why you're not playing songs that were never played and
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: like you know, giving fan surprises and stuff like that,
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: And their whole thing was all Ace and Peter couldn't
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: you know, play that stuff. You know, they couldn't do it.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: I know Peter struggled towards the end as he was
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: the oldest of all the guys in the band. That's
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: that granted, okay, but.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Which is which is totally understandable because he was also
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: the oldest member of the band and drumming is a
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: very physical thing, so that's.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: You want to go there in terms of a full
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: tour with Peter, Okay, but Ace was It's not even
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: until maybe the last year or so when some YouTube
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: videos will come up and it'd be Ace, you know,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: messing something up on stage. But you know, that's the
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: that's the era we're in where everybody loves to catch
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: every every time a performer has a bad night. Performers
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: do have bad nights. So I don't know if it
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: was just that or maybe Ace was slipping a little whatever,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: But we're talking about we're talking about right up through
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: the end of the road tour. Kud A's play Hell yeah, absolutely,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: hell yes, and for one show, of course, I mean
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: one song. I mean, come on. Well, one of the
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: songs I wish they would would have played more of
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: and they never did, was Rocket Ride. It's one of
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: my favorite A songs.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Kiss never played it live, but Ace played it
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: live as a solo artist.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Can you share the story? I love and no. Every
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: time I listened to this, I'm picturing Ace sweating profusely
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: as he recorded I'll let you tell this story. This
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: is when he lived in Irvington, New York.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Yes, what happened was they were coming up with material.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: On the fourth side of Kiss Alive two, it's all
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: studio songs. It was five it was four new songs
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: in one cover and Ace was given the opportunity to
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: do a song, so he wrote a song called rocket
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Ride that he co wrote with a gentleman name with
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: a gentleman named Sean Delaney who tends to get overlooked.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: He was a huge part of Kiss in the seventies.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: He was employed by Bill o'coin, which was Kiss's original manager.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: I believe he was Bill a coin's boyfriend too, because
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: they were both gay, and he was supposedly he's the
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: one that told the guys like, look, when you're on stage,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: do this thing where you rock back and forth like
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: you do like a thing with your guitars, you lift
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: up the guitars together. And they listened to him and
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: they did it and they said, yeah, it actually works great.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: And I think it was him that said, look, you
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: have to have an image you all have to have.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: You have to have a white face as the you know,
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: primer on your face. Then you have a specific design
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: around your eyes. I'm pretty sure that was him that
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: came up with that. It was him that said, you
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: all have to dye your hair black. It has to
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: be a unified image because A said naturally brown hair.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: I believe so he and then and then on top
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: of it, he also co wrote a lot of their
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: songs and even co produced some of their albums and
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: things like that. So he was crucial. And then what
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: happens is he breaks up with Bill A. Cooin in
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: seventy nine nineteen eighty, and then you just never hear
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: from him again, which was very weird. You would have
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: thought that maybe Kiss would have employed him or someone
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: or Ace as a solo artist, someone would have written
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: with him or hired him to help in some capacity,
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: but you just never heard from him like ever ever again.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Was kind of weird.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: But anyway, he died young, did me?
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: He did?
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: He did ye. He died young. And he wrote a
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: book that not too many people know about it. It's
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: called hell Box. I know I have it. I don't
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: think I ever ever ever really read it, but I
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: should give that a should sit down and read that.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: It's probably an interesting book. But yeah, So he also
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: co wrote songs with Kiss and he and a set
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Dan wrote the song called rocket Ride, and for some
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: reason It was written up in Ace's attic and the
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: ac was broken, so Ace was saying, they were sweating profusely,
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: but they came up with this great song, so they
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: just stuck it out and yeah, it is a great song.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: What a phenomenal tune and a solo.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you listen to that song, I believe he
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: two taps and that's in late seventy seven.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Oh man, I love that song. You asked Ace what
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: his most underrated song is. He couldn't really think of one.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: He said, I'll leave that up to you, but he
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: did name his his top five guitar solos, and kiss
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Deuce shocked me. Strange ways got a thunder and the
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: live rock and Roll All Night, which is a huge difference.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: And I know the studio version is the most famous version,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: I guess, or maybe not, maybe the live version because
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: the live version I think maybe it was a bigger
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: The live.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Version was the hit. The studio version came out first.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, the difference maker is Aces solo in the.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Live Aces solo and just it really no comparison. In fact,
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: I was thinking the other day, the first time I
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: ever heard Rock and Roll All Night, I got the
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: double platinum album on cassette for I remember it was
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Christmas nineteen seventy nine's and I thought it was a
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: you know, good song. But then I kept hearing or
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: reading that it wasn't the studio album that was the hit,
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: it was the live version. And I did not get
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: the live album till a few albums in because it
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: was a more expensive album at the time because it
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: was a two record set.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: That's the silver the silver cover.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: Double platinum was the silver covery.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Right's right. And they have like a remix, like a
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: disco version.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Of the remixed and they and they re recorded strutter
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: this that's the one seventy eight. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: but yes. What happened was then I finally heard the
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: live version of Rock and Roll Night, and I remember being, oh,
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: now it makes sense. The live version is superior to
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: the studio version and it and also, like you said,
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: the studio version has no guitar solo. The live version
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: does have a guitar solo.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: I would play parasite and rip it out solos, and
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: those songs are up there too, way up there. And
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: there is one that you mentioned to him that I
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: love dark Light from music from the Elder. Yes, do
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: you have a favorite a solo?
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: Yes, I do. Strange ways has to be at the top.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: That's definitely at the top. One that people tend to
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: overlook is maybe because the song isn't the best known
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: kiss song on the Love Gun album. It's a Gene
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Simmons song called almost Human mm hmm, and it's a solo.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: That album was produced by by Eddie Kramer, who worked
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: with Jimmy Hendrix led Zeppelin, and he also produced Ace's
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: nineteen seventy eight solo album that we just talked about,
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: And yeah, that solo Ace's solo in that song almost Human,
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: it has like a backwards thing that's a little bit
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: like Jimmy Hendrix. So that's kind of a I would say,
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: a definite underrated a solo. But yeah, Dark Light Music
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: from the Elder is kind of a goof album to me.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, I can appreciate it as a goof, but
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: I will never to till the day I die say
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: it's a legitimate great kiss album. I know there's a
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: whole cult around that album where people say it's a
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: great album. I put it in the same category as
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: your Van Halen threes, your Hot spaces your metallical Louis
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Lulu's like stuff that just if I never heard it again,
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: it should just be deleted.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: There are some great moments on there, but overall I
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: can't argue that. Did you see Jeff Tate from Queens
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Reike soa that's his favorite album? Wow?
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: I never heard that.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Wow. I guess it makes sense because Queen's Reke is
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: the theatrical band, so this had a theatrical type, you know,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: overall it's a concept album. Maybe that's why. But I
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: thought that was pretty interesting to hear it.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, one thing I did as a goof
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: is well not as a goof, but i''ll explain what
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: was the goof for this book. One of the people
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: I interviewed was Coheden Cambria guitarist Travis Steever, and they're
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: well known Coed and Cambria. They're like a metal proggy
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: type band. And I asked him, I'm like, oh, well,
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: since Coheden Cambria has a lot of has a lot
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: of concept albums, was Music from the Elder Ever a
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: influence on any of Coed and Cambriy's concept albums. He's like, no,
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: not a.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: No, explanation needed. No, Okay, I thought I'd ask, let's
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: go to Eddie Trunk because Eddie was a longtime friend
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: of Aces, and I did listen to much of his
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: tribute radio and it was you could hear his voice shaking.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, he was really shooking up about.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: It when I was speaking to him, which is just
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: like less than a week ago from when this interview
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: is being taped. He even at one point excused himself
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: and say, I'm sorry, I'm getting choked up. Oh man,
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: it's still kind of raw talking about this.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: But yeah, he got a signed to his first solo
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: record deal with Mega Force, which which you know, nobody
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: would sign a set at that point because he was
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: a liability and and and Eddie Trunk was like, no, man,
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: we got to give this guy a chance. He's and
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: Mega Force didn't have any really major names on the label,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: and he said, this is a guy that's gonna get
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: get us on the radio. Yeah.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what happened was I reached out to Eddie and
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: I was on the fence. I was like, I mean,
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: is it too like what we just said. I know,
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: it was great the on air tribute he to Dace,
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: but you could tell he was getting choked up, and
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: you know, like you'd tell his voice. Because him and
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: Ace have been friends since eighty six is when they
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: first met.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: And did every conversation with I love you brother, Ace
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: would say to him, I love you brother.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So it was really like losing a great, great
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: friend for Eddie. So so yeah, I was on it.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: Like when I was doing these interviews for the book,
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, I really have to ask Eddie,
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: even though I don't expect him to say yes, you know,
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: but I when I reached out to him. I've been
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: viewed Eddie many times over the years. He's a great guy.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: I told him what I was doing. He's always been
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: a big supporter of my books. He's had me on
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: his shows. I reached out to him for this book,
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: and I told him what I was doing, and automatically
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: it wasn't like, well, let me think about it. I
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: was like, yeah, definitely, I'll do it. Just the only
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: thing is I'm going on this rock cruise that I'm
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: like I'm seeing, so just the scheduling we have to
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: work out. So to his credit, again, he could have
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: easily just been like no, it's like to you know,
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: touchy of a subject. It's you know, I'm still kind
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: of uneasy discussing everything. But he was like, nah, it
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: just we should set it up. And what I did
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: with Eddie is he's talked a lot about over the
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: years his favorite Kiss albums and songs, in fact for
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: books that I even spoke to him for. But for
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: this book, I wanted to ask him specifically about the
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: Freelies comment era because he was a major, major part
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: of that. Not too many people remember or know that
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: Eddie was employed by Mega Force Records back then, and
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: it was he who got a signed to Mega Force
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: because yeah, like he was saying, Mega Force was known
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: primarily as a metal label at that point, primarily for
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: signing Metallica to their first deal, then also signing Anthrax,
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: Testament and also several other pretty big thrash metal type bands.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: Was really there forte ay and then they realized they
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: Eddie went to Johnny Z who was the head of
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: that label, and said, look, you know, we really got
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: a talk to Ace. He hasn't put out any solo
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: albums since he left Kiss. We have to try to
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: get him on the label. But like what Eddie says,
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: there was such a bad vibe around Ace because in
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty two he had this huge thing where he
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: was drinking and driving and he was on a high
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: speed chase in his DeLorean with like the cops chasing
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: him and stuff like that, and he's like, luck you
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: didn't get killed.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: Pretty much the story I heard too. He is driving
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: on the wrong side of the highway too, That's what
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: I've heard.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: I've heard other yeah, I mean, I've heard conflicting things.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: It's something I never asked Ace about because I didn't
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: know if he wanted to talk about that, but I
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: know he's definitely talked about it in the press, and
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: he also talks about it in the song called rock
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: Soldiers off the first Freelies Common album He's self titled.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: It's called Ace Frey Freely's comment nineteen eighty seven. There's
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: a song rock Soldiers. He actually talks about it in
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: that song.
• 52:54
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• 53:27
  Speaker 1: Finish with how you will remember Ace, But let's set
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: that up with what Eddie said. So got his quote
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: from your book. He says, honestly, a should really be remembered,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: And I don't think this is overstated, as one of
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: the most consequential and influential people that ever picked up
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: a guitar, as it inspired maybe more people than anyone
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: to play guitar. And whether that was because of his
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: playing or the visual or both, I think you'd be
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: hard pressed to find many people that were as influential
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: and inspirational to guitar players as Ace one. And he
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: had started by saying he's one of the funniest guys
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: and the nicest guys, but that was something that he
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: felt was really important to mention. How should Ace be
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: remembered in your opinion?
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, after like I just mentioned that quote
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: that the gentleman Paris Paris Mayhew talks about that the
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: comparison between the Shock Me A Live Too solo compared
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: to Van Halen eruption. There's been really just two times
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: that I can think of where a guitarist came along
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: and it was like totally up to rock music. Rock
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: guitar was on a certain path. A guitarist comes along,
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: then suddenly it's like rock guitar sounds totally different. It
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: totally alters the course of rock. Guitar totally alters rock music,
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: just like in you could say general And the two
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: times has really happened were with Jimmy Hendrix in the
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: sixties and then of course Eddie van Halen in nineteen
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: seventy eight. With what Paris may You had to say,
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: it got me thinking you could now make the argument
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: that it was Ace Freirly that bridged the Jimmy Hendricks
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: era to the Eddie Van Halen era, meaning that if
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: you listen to that unaccompanied solo on Kiss Alive Too,
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: he's doing a lot of things that are similar sounding
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: to eruption. You hear like the like I said, the
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: whole dive bomb thing, it's not really a dive bomb.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: He's doing what's called dinosaur bend, which is a similar sound,
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: but he's doing too and a tapping. He's doing like
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: trills and very fast runs and stuff like that. So really,
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: Ace also really, next to those two other guitarists, Jimmy
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: Hendrix and Eddie Van Haleen, maybe influenced as many people
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: as those two as well. If you think about the
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: wide variety and how many people have listed Ace as
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: a influence over the years and inspired these guitarists to
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: also pick up a guitar in the first place. It's
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: really really those three guitar is saying, Jimmy, Eddie Ace,
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: those three are probably the most have inspired the most
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: amount of rock guitars over the years. I would say he.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Was larger than life, as was all four members of
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: Kiss in that original era with the costumes and the
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: makeup and the mystery what do they look like, and
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: then seeing them on stage and the shows that they
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: put on. He was larger than life, There's no question.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: And then when you get to interview him as you did,
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: and you see the interviews with him on TV, you
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: just realize he's just a down to earth New Yorker
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: and he had a great sense of humor, and he
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: was pretty damn humble. I mean, he had he had
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: a healthy ego. He knew he was good, but at
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: the same time he was you know, he didn't he
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: didn't walk around like you know everybody who's beneath him.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: In fact, you know, there are stories of I think
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: he had. He Trunk told the story about early early
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: on in those early Megaphoores days, and Eddie was at
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: a gig with Ace and they just they went to
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: uh they went to the local bars and just hung
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: out there, and fans came up to he was having
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: drinks with him and all that.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: The makeup in the costumes were definitely a double edged
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: sword because it absolutely people did not take them as
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: seriously as songwriters and also as musicians. I think Kiss
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: are highly underrated songwriters. If I'm talking specifically about their
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: seventies era, that's by far the only era that I
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: really listened to and really enjoy the most. And yeah,
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: Aces guitar playing, he was I think probably the most
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: talented musically of the Kiss group. But yeah, I think
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: the whole makeup and also costumes, people tended to not
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: be able to look beyond that, and they just thought
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: they were all they're just like, you know, some kind
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: of like you know, kiddie band or something like that,
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: whereas there's no denying by nineteen seventy nine, nineteen eighty,
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: you know, small children were the predominant makeup of their audience.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: Early on, Kiss was really just like a hard rock
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: band that was, you know, playing to teenagers and people
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: in their twenties and things like that. So yeah, I mean,
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: but again with that the makeup, at the costumes, they
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have probably become as big as they became. And
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: there's a great quote in the book that Kiss was
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: a lot of people's Beatles, meaning that that was, you know,
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: to what the Beatles did to people in the sixties,
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: inspiring people to pick up instruments and form bands. That's
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: what Kiss did, not only in the seventies, but well
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: beyond the seventies. I mean there I spoke to Kim
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: Thile from the band's Soundgarden. He was influenced by Ace.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: Alex Skolnik, who was in Testament, was influenced by A. Santavieu,
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: Jesse Hughes. Hughes from the band Eagles of Death Metal,
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: he was influenced by Ace. Travis Stever from Coeden, Cambria,
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: a wide variety of all different styles of music and
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: all these guys' list as as a important musical influence.
• 58:47
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• 58:49
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• 59:21
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• 59:24
  Speaker 1: to the show talk to Me conversations with Ace Frehley
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: as the book much more from Ace than those who
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: knew him in the book, along with by the way,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: a ton of great photos, a ton of great photos
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: from kiss in the seventies. Who's Richard is a Gabraith?
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: Yes, his name is Richard Gallbryeth.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry Richard Gallbriath.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: He put out a Kiss photo book about ten or
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: fifteen years ago that I helped him with. Okay, he
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: took great photos of Van Halen two back in seventy eight.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: Well, Richard, if you're listening to this man, phenomenal photos here,
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: there's tons of them that he took. Yeah, but also
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: you have eighties photos, nineties right up to recent years
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: of as.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what I was, what I've done Over the years,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: I've made great relationships with some outstanding photographers that should
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: really be better known. I mean, I know, like there's
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: guys like Ross Halfin are very well known, but there
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: are lesser known photographers that took pictures just as good.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: And this gentleman by the name of Richard Golbriath took some.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: He was lucky enough to shoot so many of these
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: great bands at their seventies peak, like Van Halen on
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: their first ever tour Kiss through the seventies, the Sex
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: Pistols on their only US tour with Sid, all these
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: great great artists. And I also become friendly with the
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: gentleman name is Chris Lee, Christopher Lee Helton. He took
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: a lot of great photos back in the eighties. Another
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: photographer named Steven Jay Messina who took great photos in
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: the eighties, nineties all the way up to today and
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: then also I even took some photos over the years
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: that I was able to use of Ace more recent
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: like when I saw him play at a place called
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: the Paramount in Huntington, New York. It's like a theaterre
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: sized venue. It's a very nice venue that Ace played
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: several times, and I took I was able to get
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: very close because I'm such an Ace fan.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: Props all these guys, Steven Massina with those photos from
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: the nineties, Christopher Lee Helton that you mentioned. All great
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: photos here from group of guys here.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, and Richard Richard Galbriath is the guy who took
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: phenomenal photos of Kiss back in the seventies.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: Oh ma, he's got Ace in the cape from seventy nine,
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  Speaker 1: Ace in his solo with the smoke all around him.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah that yeah, So those are in there as well.
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  Speaker 1: There's a great shot here too from Tulsa Assembly Center, Tulsa, Oklahoma,
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  Speaker 1: November twenty sixth, nineteen seventy seven, where Ace and Jean
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  Speaker 1: are both looking back at the fire coming up. Yes
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  Speaker 1: on the stage.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe what the story behind those photos is
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  Speaker 2: that those photos of those photos are from Richard again,
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  Speaker 2: and he did not have a photo pass, so he
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  Speaker 2: just stuck a camera in and I think he could
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  Speaker 2: only get from like the side of the stage, which
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  Speaker 2: actually made for two very unique interesting photos because you
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  Speaker 2: never really get to see the side of the Love
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  Speaker 2: Gun stage. And yeah, and it's a cool he was
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  Speaker 2: able to time a shot perfectly where it's Ace and
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  Speaker 2: Gene turning around looking for a queue I think from
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  Speaker 2: Peter Chris and they're both looking at him, and it's
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  Speaker 2: pretty cool.
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  Speaker 1: And you see the fire coming up. Another one here,
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  Speaker 1: Municipal Auditorium, Kansas City, Missouri, July twenty sixth, nineteen seventy six.
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  Speaker 1: Richard takes a shot of Ace. He's holding. This is
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  Speaker 1: during Your Soul holding the guitar up. The smoke's coming
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  Speaker 1: out of the guitar. It's a great shot of Ace.
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  Speaker 2: You know what you got to do? You have to
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  Speaker 2: show the actual photo during.
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  Speaker 1: This I will do if it's okay with you, Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: school with you and Richard.
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  Speaker 2: As long as we credit Richard Gallbryth, phenomenal photographer.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna put those up on the video, So for
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  Speaker 1: those listening on audio, check this out on YouTube. Greg,
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  Speaker 1: thanks for putting this book together. ACE fans are gonna
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  Speaker 1: love this now. They can get it anywhere, right Amazon
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  Speaker 1: usual spots.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, huh yeah, I would say I would say Amazon
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  Speaker 2: is the is the best place. It's available as paperback, hardcover, kindle,
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  Speaker 2: and very very shortly audio. I just sent the audio
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  Speaker 2: files to the company. Usually takes about one or two weeks,
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  Speaker 2: so hopefully within a week or two after this interview runs,
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  Speaker 2: a audio version will be available.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome, all right, Greg, thank.
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  Speaker 2: You, thank you Eric, and longlove as Freely. That's it.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: It's in the books.