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Mad Max: Fury Road · Citizen Frame

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Music.
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Turn the rig around. Go back for her. No.
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Tell him to turn the rig around. Did you see it? She went under the wheels.
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Did you see it? She went under the wheels.
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We keep moving. No. We keep moving. Nobody's talking about.
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All right, guys, we're back with our Mad Max retrospective with Fury Road.
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That's right. I believe this is 35 years later Since We had the dreadful,
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Dreadful dreadful And I don't know if I said dreadful enough Mad Max Beyond
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the Thunder Well your math as you would say is dreadful Because it's actually
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30 years exactly 30 years,
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Since I added 5 more years,
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Just because Mad Max Beyond Thunder don't add 5 years onto our lives when watching
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it Yes there you go that's perfect There you go Now, you know,
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but George Miller got on him, went on to do other things.
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Lorenzo's loyal, I think he did, which was well-received. Obviously,
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Oscar nominated for Babe, Pig in the City, then Babe 2.
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No, it was Babe, then Babe, Pig in the City.
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Then he did Happy Feet. Kind of a plea off course to what you were used to seeing
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George Miller do. Children's films, basically.
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Yeah, I mean, he got on him. That's cool.
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And so, and really, actually very well-received. I'm glad you did that.
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I'd like to see a director branch out.
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And so when he announced he's coming back to the Mad Max franchise,
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a little concerned because we all know how I feel about Mad Max 3.
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I felt he's kind of a cop-out and kind of sold himself out, unfortunately.
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But seeing Fury Road, this man is just a visionary. I mean, Jesus.
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I watched this again, and I watched this in Furiosa back-to-back.
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And they're just, they're beautifully executed stories.
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And I had a big thing for Furiosa and I watched it, and I've watched like four or five times.
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And I'm a little more removed from it as much as I really liked it when I first saw it.
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But it's got some wonderful elements. But I think you need to watch Fury Road
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and then Furiosa back-to-back to really get the rush that I just experienced.
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I mean, I've watched Fury Road quite a few times myself as well.
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But I hadn't watched it in a couple of years whenever I went to see Furiosa for the first time.
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And I was thinking to myself, self i think in certain ways furiosa
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this is at the time after seeing furiosa i felt
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that possibly furiosa was better and i was
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still thinking in some aspects like characterization and story
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it's it slightly shades it with fury road however
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then i re-watched fury road for this
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podcast that we're doing now and it's incredible and it's definitely yeah overall
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better yeah i mean i i will say this I did say that I still think The Road Warrior
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is the better of all the films of the Mad Maxes.
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And after watching Fury Road again, I'm going to stick with what I said.
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And I actually think Mad Max fans would agree with us that Road Warrior,
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because it's a little more gritty and grounded, where this is just a fucking rock opera.
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And I haven't watched it in a couple of years, but let's just jump into it and talk.
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Well, doing my homework for the podcast as well, aside from,
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you know, watching it again,
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I know that a lot of other big name directors were, you know,
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basically whenever they met George Miller,
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they were basically gobsmacked how on a technical level he filmed it without
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multiple people dying. It's unreal. It is.
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This is, and I said once before, this is a masterpiece in filmmaking. It is five out of five.
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Nothing can touch this film. Nothing. I know it sounds weird,
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but I still think World War is a better film and World War isn't a masterpiece,
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but I think that's why it's better.
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I think it's got its flaws because I like the independent rawness where this
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one has got a big studio backing and that's fucking great.
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If you want a studio backing and you give us this fucking film, work away, please do.
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80% practical, 80%. Yeah.
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And he says the only. According to, well, according to some reports I've read,
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90%. Well, the sandstorm and the, you can see a little bit, but when you do
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CGI with practical, this is how you fucking do it.
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And when I watched Fury Road of Furiosa, I can see Furiosa taking a little too
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much of the CGI but we'll jump.
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Yes there's a particular scene in Furiosa which we'll get to on that podcast.
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We'll jump into that, we'll jump into it.
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Let's jump in to Fury Road and just have a good time and make some jokes and
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just enjoy this fucking visual treat.
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This is spectacle. It's unreal.
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I just you get chills watching it. It's just fucking. I guess that's the end of our podcast.
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Yeah, but this is basically the road warrior with a shit load of the budget
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thrown at it. Yeah, but done right.
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That's what I'm saying. If you're going to do it and you're going to do big studio backing, wow.
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And the great thing about Warner Brothers backing this up, they kind of left
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him alone because some of the shit this guy gets away with just... Okay.
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Well, it goes back to even what we were talking about in the original Mad Max.
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And even though it's big budget and there's like millions of dollars thrown
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at it, it still feels in a way like guerrilla film. It does,
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like they left him alone. Is it seeing? Here you go. Do your thing.
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We're turning a blind eye.
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Yeah. All right, guys, we're going to jump into this one.
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So, again, it wouldn't be a Max film without our boy Max and the rest of this wonderful cast.
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Furiosa, Knox, Immortan Joe, Slit, Rictus Rectus, Toad the Knowing,
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the Dag, Cheeto the Fragile, the Peep Leader, the Bullet Farmer,
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And of course, my favorite guitar player of all time The Doof Warrior The Doof Warrior,
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yep One of my favorite A couple of them actually pop up again In Furiosa Yes, Rictus and Rectus Yeah,
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they all Kind of come back, and Morton Joe,
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And the guy, the organic Mechanic Yeah, you see, Wade switches teams But we'll
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jump into that one Yes, we'll find out how, yeah,
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Yeah, I mean, the opening scene alone is, it's just, it's so good.
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It's just one big, I don't know.
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So in the beginning here, you know when you're seeing Max?
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Yes. And he's taking a whiz. Yeah. I love the little scene, the little gecko,
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whatever the fucking thing is.
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He eats it. And he eats it. He doesn't even really touch it.
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He just kind of grabbles it into his mouth.
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And and they when we're introduced to him he turns to the
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camera we can see him with the tail and it's still moving and shit just eats
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it raw and alive and he's also i believe before he does that i think that he's
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like being eaten dog food again which again is a big tip of the hat he's driving
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the interceptor so yeah this is we've discussed this outside of this podcast,
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this is not a direct sequel to the original trilogy this is a reboot and a new
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universe Miller's basically admitted it.
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I don't think he has admitted it. I think you're wrong.
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I don't think it is. No, I've read up on it. I don't care. Well,
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you've got to realize, some of these reviews, until George Miller gets on and
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says no, because he still has the leg wound, he still has the same leg brace.
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You didn't notice that, did you? Well, this is George Miller being quoted hard, true or not, it is.
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I probably think too much about these things, but I was trying to piece everything
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together in terms of the overall story.
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If it is a direct sequel, if it is, it would have to be set before the Road
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Warrior because he still has the Interceptor.
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And so yes it doesn't really add
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up and it does appear to be the things like
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you know the knee brace and stuff like that that are
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they're basically more like references
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to the original trilogy now i
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would say i was wrong about something you know the way he has the flashbacks to
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like a young girl being sort of
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killed and stuff apparently i thought well in
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this one he has a daughter but in the original trilogy he has a son
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but apparently that's a completely different character apparently this
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was followed up in official comic books or
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graphic novels related to fury road apparently these
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nightmares that he's having are a young woman and her daughter who he tried
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to see it but couldn't but weren't related to him okay i didn't take it like
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we mentioned before mad max are one-off films they all are they don't really
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bleed onto each other these next two do a little bit,
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well the original three definitely bleed into each other you know they follow
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one especially the first two,
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nah you can watch them separate I mentioned that before oh yeah definitely watch
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them separate you can watch them separate but you don't need to watch World
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Warrior to know who Mad Max is,
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yes I know that but for someone like me who's pedantic and thinks about these
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types of things way too much you do and you're losing our listening audience
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now because of it thank you.
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And also i'm with a new actor playing max due
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to you know mel gibson for several reasons
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not coming back to the role and you
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know what i like i really like tom hardy and i
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really like him in this but to me mel is
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max and i would love to see mel while george miller and mel gibson are still
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with us i would love to see them get together for another mad max film that
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won't happen now you've planted a seed of hardy sadly we'll get into furiosa
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what happened the box office numbers i don't think we'll ever get one now we
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might no we'll probably won't but we'll see.
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I don't know, it'd be kind of cool to have like a crossover,
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have even Mel come back as the bad guy or something, and have Tom Hardy come back as Max.
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That'd be kind of like a passion, a true passion of the torch,
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I think is what's owed them. I do think Mel Gibson's owed that.
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Yeah, well, they did something similar with Immortan Joe in that they brought
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the toe cutter back to play him,
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you know, obviously playing a different character. That's not the same.
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I mean, it's not, I'm just, yeah, but that's, nobody really,
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really i mean yeah it's cool it's cool that he's back
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but it's not the same as mel gibson passing
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the torch tom hardy you know yeah that's a
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mean that should be done so i
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don't know if that's studio involvement but it can't be warner brothers fault
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because warner brothers backs up he they produce a lot of mel gibson's directing
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stuff so well i do know that mel gibson and george miller are still on very
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good terms and in fact they were sitting beside each other at the premiere year of this film,
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whenever it was first released, nine years ago. There you go.
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And maybe he did talk to him and say, do you want to do it? And you're like,
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ah, fuck, I don't know. Yeah. You just never know. You never know what conversations
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happen trying to close doors.
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All right, guys, let's just jump into this. We're kind of going ranting there.
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I apologize for Trevor's rant. That's not a rant.
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I thought it was. Well, yeah. Yes.
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You haven't seen me rant yet. So you pretty much get Max being chased And then
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he's ambushed and taken down pretty quickly in his little cool car,
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which we see get destroyed in again by the, uh, the synodals.
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Yeah. The war boys, the warrior boys, war boys, the warrior boys,
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the war boys, just like W A R no, they're not.
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Nope. Just war boys. It's not warrior boys. It's war boys, war boys.
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Promise you. I'm looking this up right now, everyone. How can I make you look
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bad? Yeah. Free roll nuts.
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Oh, Jesus Christ. I don't need a Funko Pop of them, for Christ's sake.
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I just want to know who the character is. For fuck's sake.
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Type in War Boys, Miles Max. All right, here we go. Boom.
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Well, I can see where you made a mistake. I can see where you made a mistake. I'm right.
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I was trying to trip you up on purpose.
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No, you are. So fuck off. So I did that on purpose, but it's war boys.
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That's what I had, but I was just trying to see if you were paying attention.
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I pay too much attention. You get a golden star for this podcast. Congratulations.
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I'd like the film. The film pretty much opens up right away with Furiosa trying to escape.
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Yes. With the ladies.
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And the war rig. In the war rig. or
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a rig and I just love the colors of
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this everything everything pops and I love
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the flares and how the flares worn each the
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gas town would be a perfect example or bullet town we don't really see bullet
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town on this one but gas town we obviously do and yeah they that's to let them
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know trouble's coming we have we have run away or whatever it's just the way of signaling I
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believe green means go, red means watch out.
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I didn't get all the colors, but I think you can kind of get the idea of what they mean.
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Oh yeah. You get more of the idea of what the colors mean in Furiosa,
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which was obviously really get to, but the first attack on it's when the bandits,
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this kind of, these aren't the, it's not Citadel coming after them first.
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It's the bandits who are always trying to get Get the oil from the truck And
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this whole first attack The stunt Well it's Originally it's the ones from the Citadel No it's not.
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The Citadel is behind them These guys
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are bandits These are just stragglers Who are trying to steal from the oil From
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the rig No the problem is No that's right but they come from the side So there's
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two groups chasing them But they're not just bandits Bandits, they had a deal with No,
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that's not them either. You're jumping ahead.
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Well, the ones chasing at first No, they're not.
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The Citadel's way behind them. The Citadel's way behind them.
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But they're just, she's just driving away.
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Alright? Then there's a splinter group trying to take over the oil.
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That's just a, you know, whatever, they're just a bunch of they're just a bunch of bandits, looters.
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They just want the truck. They have nothing to do with the Citadel.
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That's the first attack on this rig. Sorry, you're right, actually.
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But at the same time... Why are you arguing with me still? Now we're going to continue this.
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I'm trying to piece it together in my head because there is a lot going on despite
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there being very little dialogue and stuff. I'm just trying to piece it together in my head.
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Yes, they are attacked at first by these random guys.
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Sorry. You know what, Ciarán? I'm big enough to admit whenever I haven't quite
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got it right. Wow. Between this and the Warrior Boys. Wow.
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War Boys. War Boys. God, you're really embarrassing yourself on this podcast.
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Not at all. I was right with the War Boys. And yes, I'll admit that,
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yes, because this all happens in quite quick succession where these original
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bandits come and they try to attack them.
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They're basically like warriors themselves.
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And then it's noticed by Immortan Joe and the gang that they have basically done a runner.
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Yeah. So, because what happens, I'll clarify it because you're clearly misled
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and confused. I'm not misled. No, it's okay. You're older.
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So. You're older than me. I'm wiser. There's a difference. So.
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No. All right. Yeah. So the bandits come and this is why her team of the war boys are helping her.
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They don't realize yet that she's leaving. She's making a run of it.
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That's why they're helping her fend off these bandits. All right.
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And she has taken a turn to the left off the desert road.
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And she, like, says to them, she gives them some bullshit excuse that,
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yeah, and they are running with it at this point.
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So this whole first attack is...
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Is warranted. They're like, oh, we're doing our job. Let's protect the oil.
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And it's not until they run into the Citadel teams where they start to realize,
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what are you doing, Ukraine?
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And then she has to take them out because they're now going to be a threat because
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they know that she's betrayed them, betrayed Morton Joe. All right, so we got Max.
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God, this course is going way too long. Ah, fuck, I don't care.
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It's worth it. we get to the Citadel where we see Max and he's being tattooed,
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you know his blood type and stuff like that. I don't get the blood bang thing.
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Are they taking his blood? Are the war boys drooling on his blood?
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Yes Yes, because he's a full life and they're half-lives Part of this new universe
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in the Fury Road and Furiosa films is that due to the nuclear fallout essentially
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many people aren't well, they're basically
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genetically deformed you know like i'm
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screw this and stuff yeah and other sort of children of
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morton joe they're what are known as half-life but
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morton joe wants even in fury road
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here the reason he has these as he calls them
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the women breeders is because he's trying to get
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a child who is a full life and not
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basically a genetically mutated person like
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most of his other all of his other kids are so but
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due to the nuclear fallout there are most people
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certainly the ones born within it are half-lives they're
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genetically messed up and basically but there are sort of full lives out there
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like Furiosa who was born in the green place and also Mad Max but the war boys
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are all half-lives so or half-lives so but they're basically a drugged up cult,
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you know, brainwashed cult to go out and do the dirty work for a Morton Joe,
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but they need the blood of a full life, i.e.
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Max, in this case, to basically keep alive longer.
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So that's why he is just used as a blood bank in this chase,
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this opening chase for the war boy. Okay.
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Alright, so he's pretty much like a blood transfusion piece.
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Yeah. All right. Mm-hmm.
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Yeah, and then once Citadel does catch up with them, obviously you got Max,
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kind of a little throwback to being tied in front of the car like they did in The Road Warrior.
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Yeah. And he's got that, you know, handle electric thing going for him,
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which I didn't like. I thought they could have.
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I mean, I know the guy doesn't say much in the first place.
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I don't know. I just thought it was kind of distracting.
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No, I mean, it didn't bother me either way, you know? Not kind.
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But it does show Tom Hardy can sell it better because with Tom Hardy,
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you know, he's got to show his emotions through the mask and a lot of minding
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to get his point across because he can't properly speak.
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And he does speak. I'll say this. He puts on that accent. It does sound like Mel Gibson.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. He does. And apparently him and Charlie's Theron did not get
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on well at all when filming this.
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Apparently a lot of that was down to Hardy. Well, I think all
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of it was down to Hardy being a dick and showing up
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late you know purposely showing up late on days
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shooting and stuff and he according to Hardy
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after he said because of all this
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that was going on he didn't actually know what the hell George Miller was doing
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so he was confused there might have been a bit of a power play there as well
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but afterwards after he's seen the finished product this film he got it he eventually
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got it and he actually apologized to Charlize Theron partly she was complete
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professional throughout out.
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Always there on time, never late, that sort of thing.
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But to be fair to Hardy, he apologised to Miller and Charlie Sterling for being
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a bit of an asshole. He's a true hero.
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Yep. True hero. He's a road warrior. We don't need another hero.
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Yeah, this whole chase is, again, the Citadel. I mean, again,
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we did this before on the podcast. Can't explain it. If you haven't seen it,
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you got to fucking watch it.
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I mean, and then I got to give a massive shout out. Brian Mays sadly passed.
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So they passed the baton to this gentleman called Tom Hulkenborg.
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He's known as Junkie XL. He does the score for the next two films.
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He's a DJ. He's a DJ. Yeah. Fucking amazing score.
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Do you remember about, I don't know if you, well, you would have been in the States at the time,
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but you remember there was an elvis song
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that come out again but it was like it was number one here in
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the uk it was a little less
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conversation a little bit rock and roll yeah that was that guy that did it and
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it was billed as elvis versus junkie xl oh that's cool that's cool it's good
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it's a cool cover oh yeah i think they did it for honeymoon in vegas yeah it's
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not even a cover It's actual, but it's just- Yeah,
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it's from Tweet. It's a remix. It's Tweet. Yeah, it's a remix.
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Yeah. But the score is just beautiful.
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I mean, it's just intense, and it's got that theme that it's almost like a revving of an engine.
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It's just, it's incredible.
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Oh, it's perfect? It's so good. Not
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to take away from Brian May's original stuff, but way, way to up a game.
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And there's some great little stuff here. I'm not going to talk about everything
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about it because it's the little things I like, like the warrior boy.
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There's one guy per guy gets speared in the chest and right through the face.
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And he decides, well, I'm going to self-sacrifice myself now. I'm pretty much dead.
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And obviously, he's got those poles and grenades and shit, and he jumps onto a car and it explodes.
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Self-sacrifice. Yeah. You get a lot of self-sacrifices in this film.
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So I'll be saying that quite a bit. And even when you meet the women coming
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up, and it's, you know, I talked about Road Warrior and how I really appreciated
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the Road Warrior a lot more because it had a lot of really cool characters and you really liked them.
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So when each one of them kind of got taken out You want to fuck But
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you know what this does it too Quite fucking well
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if not better And you only
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meet them For like a few moments But then you're
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like oh man that's pretty cool That you know this is what
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this character Is going to do to help out the team I would
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yeah well I would say About the self sacrifice Of the
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war boys it's because they are So brainwashed and
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drilled up By a Morton Joe you know with the Spray
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stuff that they use on their mouths house that's that's obviously the
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drugs that are taken but also they believe that even if
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they do self-sacrifice they're going to valhalla you know
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which is obviously bullshit that they've been told by a morton joe so they believe
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that they're like it's it's you know it's like suicide bombers and stuff they
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believe they're they're doing this for the greater cause and that they're going
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to heaven or a version of it so that's what the war boys think you know who
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is one of the well it's the
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character that has the greatest arc in this film, and it's not Mad Max, and it's not Furiosa.
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It's Nux. Nux, yeah. Played by the brilliant Nicholas Holt.
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Yeah. Yeah, Mad Max is Mad Max. I mean, that's just the way he's always been.
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Furiosa doesn't have one, because we already kind of know her story.
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So it's Nux is the guy who kind of has a journey.
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But yeah, this whole chase,
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and then it ends with this gorgeous sandstorm tornadoes and fucking it's unreal
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how beautiful the CGI mix with practical works and,
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you see all these carnage, all these cars being sucked up into these sandstorms,
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whatever it is, sand tornadoes. Yeah. And you see the bodies falling.
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It's so beautiful. It's like you should be like all this chaos is happening.
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And it's beautifully done.
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And the sparks of red and the sparks of orange and just these little pops and bursts.
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And the great thing is a lot of filmmakers,
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filmmakers they like this quick cut cinema and it does work
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in some things you especially get it in fight sequences where you
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quick cut quick cut you're like what the fuck just happened there what what what every
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every scene every tire every body
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that's in that car is seen being chucked out
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or every piece is being you see it
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and it's i i can't it's like a canvas it's
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like you know painter's canvas i would say
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regarding things like you know quick cuts and other films
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and action scenes a lot of the time that is to cover
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up um a multitude of errors but but
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here you see it all and it is it's it's beautifully done so
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it is with max when max wakes up after the crash and he this is where he meets
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furiosa and the girls and yes the real cargo of the of the war right yeah and
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the fight sequence between him and furiosa again no quick just the way it's
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it's It's almost like a ballet between these two.
26:26
And trying to get the gun and trying to get the bullets.
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And then there's Nux trying to get him to get the bullets because Nux thinks
26:32
Max is on his side. He doesn't realize what Furiosa.
26:35
They're tight, him and Nux are sort of tight to each other still as well.
26:39
Yeah, and he's still got the mask, which can be a dismay.
26:41
So it's this dance that they have and then they quickly resolve what's going
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on that, you know, yada, yada, yada.
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And I do like the fact he takes the truck And he goes, he, and Fiora also tells
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the girls, girls grab everything you can and just run.
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And because she put a fail safe on the truck where it shuts down. Yeah. But.
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Zoe Kravitz playing one of the women as well, one of the breeders and also see
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the one with the red hair, just going back to. Yeah.
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Yeah. I know who it is. Elvis's granddaughter. Yeah. Rachel, no.
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Oh, my. Lisa Marie Presley's daughter. Is she Grookie or Grookie?
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Oh, no, she's one of the other ones.
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She's like the one who talks about, you know, nothing but a smug head, you know.
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But the one with the red hair is Elvis's granddaughter, the daughter of Lisa
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Marie Presley. No, that I'm right.
27:37
That's Kyle. It's Riley Kroege or something like that.
27:42
Right. Well, yes, he's very tall. Riley Keogh.
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Well, they're all tall. Riley, Riley, Riley Keogh, I think's her name.
27:49
But that's, that's the one I'm talking about.
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Are you talking about the one with the blonde hair? The red hair.
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The red haired one. Yeah, that's who I'm talking about. And Zoe Kravitz there as well. Yeah, so.
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I mean, they don't really add. I mean, yeah. I just think they are stunningly
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beautiful. I mean, they're obviously models.
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It's just a great sort of counterpart to all the absolute chaos and the craziness
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of the rest of the wasteland.
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And they're even dressed in white Like angelic And you know Overall this is
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just Gorgeous just to look at From a visual point of view In every respect,
28:28
This is very much A feminist film But it's not like.
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It's done In a sort of Mature way And a very well told way You know You know,
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which I have no issues with.
28:46
So when they get to the cannons, the canyons, sorry. And this is where she had
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to deal with the motorbike gang.
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And they brought this little extra tank of gas, this little bubble of gas.
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Yeah. On the side that they're carrying along with them. They're going to give
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them that and you leave us alone.
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And it's great. I was a little confused where, well, they already give them the gas.
29:08
So I don't. And she makes the comment, Max, you can't be seen because they'll think this is a trap.
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They only expect me to be here, so I need you to stay low.
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So why did they start attacking them? Because they were going to give them the gas.
29:26
Because Furiosa lied. The cargo on the truck wasn't the petroleum,
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the gasoline, as they call it. It was the girls.
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Yeah, but no, but they brought, she, no, she got the tanker.
29:43
Behind that tanker, there is another tanker.
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Yes. That was a tanker she was going to give them for the free pass.
29:52
So why did they attack? I don't know.
29:54
Because she betrays him and doesn't give them what she was meant to?
29:58
Which was the gas, which he was. She got out of their truck and she was going
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to give it to him. All of a sudden they start shooting.
30:05
Did I miss something? Did they catch Max or something? Maybe that's what it was.
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Possibly. But as far as I was concerned, she doubled back on her deal with them,
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which was very possibly for, well, they supplied her with gasoline.
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It was for some sort of cargo.
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I'm not too sure. but she had just basically lied to them to get a free pass,
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for her real plan, which was for her and the breeders, the girls, to escape.
30:36
We're just going in circles. The reason they attack is because they know that
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she's basically betrayed them.
30:44
I don't know how she's betrayed them. She's given them the oil. I don't get that.
30:47
It is explained in the film. I have to watch it again. I must have missed the
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line, because then she goes, Max, she goes, Max, run.
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And then when he knew, she told him how to start the car, let's start the truck real quick.
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And so they must have saw one of the girls or something and the band is panicked.
31:07
And that's what happened. It's one thing I can think of because she was going to give them the oil.
31:11
But okay. But I think possibly they need the gasoline.
31:17
I think she wants to hold on to the gasoline to make it to the green place.
31:21
That's where they're heading to. They're trying to find it. I know that,
31:23
but they have that extra, you're not, you're going, you're not listening to
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what I'm saying. You're going in circles.
31:28
They have the oil separated to give to them. They've been carrying it.
31:33
It's a little, it's a little round tank.
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So that was for them. She was going out to give that to them.
31:40
I'm going to have to double check it. There's definitely a line.
31:42
There's got to be a line that we missed.
31:44
There is, there is. Furious explains it, but she, let's just say.
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No, she says, if they see you, Max, it's over. Yeah. Because they'll know something's up.
31:53
So I didn't catch them glimpsing him. So I don't know what I missed.
31:58
Let's move on. I'm sure people, if you know what it is, give us a shout.
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Let us know. Let us know. Yeah, and I might hit the way I read it,
32:07
was basically she had in some way betrayed them, and that's why they attack.
32:13
This, another chase scene was the bike, the bicycles.
32:17
And I love the, just the, whoever comes up with these clever little escapisms,
32:23
like when they set the front of the truck on fire.
32:26
And so what they do is Max lowers the hydraulics, however it works,
32:31
and the cow catcher in front of the truck scoops up all the sand and the sand puts out the fire.
32:38
Stuff like that. And it's, it's, it's, and not only was he blue if he shot, it's innovative.
32:43
It's clever oh totally and apparently and
32:46
very technically yeah exactly you know exactly yeah but
32:50
apparently this film was storyboarded before anything else
32:53
which makes sense because this is such a
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visual film you add so much
32:58
craziness and stunts and like proper over-the-topness that
33:02
makes sense to have it storyboarded before anything else we're talking about
33:07
nox and his little arc here you can't feel sorry for nox just because he's been
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brainwashed like you said and
33:13
And there's a part where he finally comes one-to-one with Joe and he goes,
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you get on board that. He goes, I know how to get onto the truck.
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And he goes, you do that, you'll be in Valhalla, you know, with me.
33:27
And, but the minute he gets on top of the truck, he trips up on his chain.
33:32
It gets stuck. And then you can hear Joe going, idiot.
33:36
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's it. Yeah. so this is
33:39
when basically joe abandons him and he then
33:42
becomes well we'll get to it soon
33:44
enough where he then sides with the girls
33:48
and yeah he finds a lot of red flags and he
33:52
starts wising up a bit but well this is this is
33:54
about his journey from being in a religious cult to getting out of it and fighting
34:00
for the the greater good and stay it you know yeah pretty much and hope to hope
34:07
is brilliant actor anyway so he sort of perfect yeah he's a good actor he's good actor.
34:14
I know, I know, but he's not Laurence Olivier here or Jimmy Stewart.
34:18
I didn't say he was, but he can hold... He brings humanity to this role. Yeah, I know, he is.
34:24
I like Nicholas Holt. Even when I saw him when he was a chubby little kid and
34:26
about a boy, I really enjoyed.
34:28
I've never seen that, and I don't want to see it. Why?
34:31
Because it's Hugh Grant in a romantic comedy. So it's Hugh Grant.
34:34
He's fucking awesome. You know what? You need to open your mind,
34:36
you sick freak. That's it. I'm saying it right now.
34:40
If it's not 18 or X, it sucks.
34:44
Well, you know I have my things that I like Yeah, yeah, you're warmly demented
34:49
If you want to watch Hugh Grant doing his floppy herd Yeah, yes,
34:53
About a Boy is a fucking great film I haven't seen it to be fair Tony Collette
34:58
is so good in it Oh, he didn't know that, you hate her?
35:01
You always say, oh, well she must be a shitty actor because she's in About a Boy I was winding you up,
35:09
I haven't seen About a Boy so I can't comment on it hateful bastard
35:12
do you ever like sit down and go you know what god god
35:16
i've just had a rough day and i just want to put a smile on my face i'm
35:19
gonna watch you know i'm gonna watch like about a boy or even pretty woman so
35:22
i'm just a just a let me finish please just just to brighten my day because
35:27
it's been a rough one no you go home and go god i've had a rough day god i'm
35:32
gonna put in i'm gonna put in teenage tit freaks and fucking i spit on your
35:37
grave yeah that cheers me up no no No,
35:41
no, when I've had a hard day and
35:43
I want to chill out and relax and watch something nice and pleasant to me,
35:47
I'll just dig out Hellraiser or The Evil Dead. You know what I mean?
35:51
Something nice and some good family sort of wholesome viewing. Sick bastard.
35:57
What do you watch? Squirtle Cowboy? There's a shot I really like,
36:02
and it kind of humbles Max a bit.
36:04
And then it takes it away from Max real quickly.
36:08
And it's when the pregnant girl is on the side of the – and they have that famous
36:13
– you're in the canyons, and they got this big rock sticking out,
36:16
and she's about to be hit by it.
36:18
And she ducks, but you think she got hit.
36:20
And then Max sees that she made it, and Max gives her a smile and then a thumbs up.
36:25
And then seconds later she gets shot and
36:29
she she loses her balance and gets run over by a car and
36:32
she's pregnant by the way and although it's it's
36:34
tough and then max quick little quirk smile door
36:38
like way to go girl is taken away
36:40
from him just like that it's it's a really it's a
36:43
quick it's a quick second but tom hardy
36:47
sells it really well yeah and it's a totally emotionally powerful
36:50
scene you know in terms of the
36:53
emotion whereas before it's just like all these crazy stunts which
36:56
are great but not only that because she is
36:59
pregnant with a morton joe's child and enrages a
37:02
morton joe and you see and you see the grief i like
37:05
a warped grief on his face and that's when he gives that famous
37:08
you know that you know like scream yeah
37:11
because she is because she's carrying his his child and the
37:14
organic mechanic has confirmed that the
37:17
child will be a full life
37:20
as opposed to a half-life you know yeah so he's even more in grief you know
37:26
yeah because and then yeah and then and then rictus erectus he then says uh
37:30
i had a little brother and i'm laughing but but even rictus erectus it's it's
37:37
a very emotionally powerful scene all around for both the good Well.
37:40
Then at the same time, you've got the flip side. You've got the good guys who's...
37:44
Furiosa and, and she wants to go back and Max says, don't do it.
37:50
No point. Don't go back for her. She's dead.
37:52
And then she keeps yelling at him. Did you see her? And he just says,
37:56
I saw her go under the wheels.
37:57
That's all he has to say. I saw her go under the wheels. We need to move on.
38:01
And then Furiosa believes him and goes, we have to move on girls.
38:03
We can't go back. There's no point.
38:05
And again, Charlie Sterling totally sells that. You just see it in her eyes, you know.
38:10
She's tearing up and, and Max just has
38:13
to kind of keep and tom hardy does exactly what mad max
38:16
does he doesn't lose his temper he doesn't yell at
38:19
her about it he just says i saw her go on her and that
38:22
as yeah and then playing his day he just says it quietly because he didn't want
38:26
to you know you know give him a given he just didn't want to give them a descript
38:30
of what he just saw well not only that it's max himself has seen so much death
38:35
and horrors stuff like that it's maybe not water of a duck's back to him but
38:39
he's seen at all before, probably worse.
38:41
And Nux finds out, you see a clip glimpse of when Joe sees Mad Max behind the
38:47
wheel and the mechanic and all see Mad Max behind the wheel at this point.
38:52
Nux now know that they know Mad Max was his blood bag, they called him.
38:58
Yes. And he's, it's over for him.
39:01
So he pretty much has to choose this side. Not that he really wants to at this
39:04
point yet, but he's got to take, he's got to be a partner and now with Max because
39:09
his partnership with Joe is gone.
39:12
Yeah, but it's not until later on down the line, especially when he has the
39:16
sort of relationship where there's a romantic tension between him and Elvis' granddaughter.
39:21
Elvis' granddaughter? Yeah, well, that's who it is. It's not until later on
39:25
down the line that he realizes he's chosen the right side, and then he eventually
39:32
makes the ultimate sacrifice, not to get to Valhalla because he knows that's all bullshit,
39:36
but he does it for the greater good for them. brilliant character arc,
39:40
This whole sequence is beautifully shot and it's the sniper sequence, which I love.
39:46
This is to me the best visually stunning and this whole film is visually stunning.
39:51
But all it is, is it's like this blue fog, like haze and it's obviously almost,
39:56
it's almost like a swampland, which we find out sadly is the paradise they were
40:01
trying to get to, but they don't realize yet.
40:04
We'll meet this place in Furiosa. but and
40:08
before it became this shithole and
40:12
there's such intensity of them trying to get this truck out and
40:15
knox decides to jump on their wagon at this point going guys i can drive this
40:19
truck i'm among the mechanics let me get you out of this and they have a sniper
40:25
they're being snipered by this brilliant marksman and he can see it from the
40:28
far far distance and they try to i love when
40:34
And Max, he's got two more shots. And Furiosa's going, you got two more shots.
40:39
And he goes, he pauses and he goes, you do it. Because he doesn't have the confidence
40:44
that he can make the shot.
40:46
And it's just little things like that I love in this sequence.
40:49
And she puts obviously the gun on his shoulder as she's trying to take the shot.
40:52
And she takes out his eyes, the gunman's eyes.
40:56
That's right, she blinds him. Blinds him. But he's still coming.
40:59
And they're just rapidly firing at everything now.
41:00
So and then And he's giving a crazy speech as well Yeah he's just rambling,
41:06
Something Tollcutter would do Yeah 100% yeah and totally perfect For the wasteland So Max just goes,
41:14
I'll be back and he leaves And he takes something with him,
41:19
Dynamite or something And then moments pass And all you hear is a faint explosion
41:24
in the background And he comes running back He's covering blood and one of the
41:28
girls says Oh my god you're bleeding And Fury also knows right away that's not his blood.
41:33
Yeah. Just great. Didn't see anything. All you heard was the explosion. Yep, you didn't have to.
41:37
That's all you needed. And he comes back looking like he's just slaughtered 20 people.
41:41
Again, it's back to, as we talked about in the Road Warrior Mad Max 2,
41:46
it's back to amazing show don't tell.
41:50
Not even, let's say, we're just being shown the aftermath.
41:53
It's just brilliant, brilliant visual storytelling by Miller,
41:57
you know, who really knows his shit in terms of visual storytelling.
42:02
Yeah, it's fucking master class.
42:05
I mean, this guy's pretty much written his, what he did was pretty much create
42:09
his own graphic novel, comic book wise.
42:12
And then he's the one who, you know, from paper to page, I mean, from paper to screen.
42:18
Yeah. So we get, we finally go to the sand dunes and we meet the women.
42:22
These are women that she grew up with. Now, do you do Cats, do you do Cats Valkyrie was in this?
42:28
Yes, it did. That's her, that's her sister that we meet in the beginning of
42:32
Furiosa, which we'll talk about.
42:33
That's right, yep. And she goes, how long has it been? She goes 7,000 days.
42:39
Yeah. And then she goes, what about mom? She died on the third day.
42:43
Yeah. Because I guess I read up on this. He actually wrote Furiosa before this.
42:49
Yeah. Probably when he was writing this, he wrote a backstory.
42:52
Yeah. Yeah. For her. Yeah.
42:55
I love the old woman in this. Oh, that's what I'm betting. That's what I was
42:58
talking about with all these characters of self-sacrificing and all,
43:01
you meet these older women and these women have got balls, man.
43:05
They're just, they don't give a shit. They're going to fucking,
43:08
like the poor woman, the older one, I love the pole jumpers.
43:13
They're called pole cats. I love the pole cats. Yeah.
43:16
And she takes one of them out, but she gets stabbed in the meantime and she's
43:21
dying. Yeah, she's in shock as well.
43:23
She knows she's dying. Yeah. But she's not letting anyone, she won't let anyone
43:26
know because there'll be a distraction to what's happening.
43:29
I love the scene where they're all sort of, we're sort of getting their breath
43:33
as the audience, but they're talking about what we'll do.
43:35
It goes, well, there is no green place. You know what I mean?
43:38
It goes, well, we'll have to get back, you know?
43:41
And it's, you know, and then they're talking to Max and Max decides that he's
43:45
going to stick with them and stuff. He goes, we'll have to get back.
43:48
And, you know, he tells him how to do it. I go, I thought you went crazy anymore.
43:53
Because Max has went through this journey where him and Furiosa,
43:55
and Furiosa as well, are now, have become you know, they now trust each other type of thing.
44:03
Yeah, so they have to go back. I watched this in the cinema.
44:05
When this was first released, I watched this twice in the cinema.
44:08
First time was with a friend. The second time was I brought my ma because it
44:11
was so good. And my ma was just gobsmacked at how all this insane stuff going on.
44:16
And then eventually they get to the other side, they bump into all these old
44:19
women and decide, yeah, after all the hell we've been through,
44:23
we're going to go back again.
44:24
Well, he makes a good argument. He tells them.
44:27
Oh, he's right. He goes, listen, you can sit there and go 1,700
44:30
miles for an oasis that's not going to be there he goes
44:33
i've seen this before and he's right i've
44:36
seen this before so our best bet is
44:39
now that the citadel is emptied with all the baddies because
44:42
they're coming after us we bust through these guys we can take over the citadel
44:46
and he's right it's it could be a one-way ticket but it's the best way around
44:51
this yep the chances are they're gonna die either way so but their best option
44:57
and he's right don't forget max is an ex-cop so you know,
45:00
he's sort of, he's his head screwed on in many ways,
45:03
despite his, you know, literally being Mad Max.
45:06
So, yeah, it's the right decision. Plus, it gives us one hell of a cool finale.
45:12
Jesus, that whole sequence where Max has to run to the back of the truck,
45:16
cut down the harpoons that are holding back the truck.
45:18
He then gets sucked by a pole cat.
45:21
And then he's hanging by the side of the car, and Furiosa gets stabbed,
45:26
and she's barely hanging on to him.
45:28
Then Nux, I believe. Her lungs are collapsing. And then Nux fucking has to fucking flip him around to Mr.
45:35
No-No. It's his car. He uses him as a human shield. And then Mr.
45:39
No-No gets out of it. I mean, it's just, and again, but every shot, every shot is in chaos.
45:45
Every shot, the way it's shot, it's so smoothly done, but it's chaos.
45:50
It's fucking, it's just incredible. Yeah. Incredible.
45:53
Plus, on top of all this, he has to fight hand-to-hand with Erectus,
45:58
you know? yeah exactly but the great thing about that fight sequence the girls help him.
46:06
Yeah, they all help each other. They all help each other. There's nobody hiding.
46:09
All Zoe Kravitz gets, but then she ends up helping out.
46:13
And it's just this gorgeous ballet. That's all I can call it.
46:19
You know what this is? You don't know.
46:21
Well, I would call it something maybe less grand, but I mean the exact same
46:25
thing. It's basically big budget A-team.
46:28
And trust me, I mean that in a nice, complimentary way. Oh, come on. I wouldn't say that.
46:33
No, no. No, this is a compliment. Is it? I love the EA team.
46:38
I mean... 100% it is. I love the EA team and how they banded together with these people in need.
46:44
And bear with me, they banded together with these people in need to help them
46:49
out for the greater cause and they made sacrifices and stuff.
46:52
So I mean this 100, 1 million percent as a compliment, but this is just done
46:57
in a more professional way, obviously, and with a much bigger budget.
47:02
My other thing is when they're fighting and the Doof Warrior is playing his
47:06
guitar and he goes, and the guy who played him says, yeah, that I,
47:11
I, I just had a, I strum it and the fire would come out.
47:13
He goes, but no, whatever's going around him, he's still fucking playing that
47:17
guitar. That bastard playing his heart out.
47:21
And I love how Furiosa just rips the mask off. And if you pause it,
47:25
you can see the skeletal of the jaw.
47:28
Those jaws get ripped off. Yeah, pretty much. But it's done so fast.
47:33
Like I mentioned before, with his style, and we'll definitely mention Furiosa,
47:39
his stuff seems like it's violent, but there's very little blood in these films.
47:44
It's besides little wounds and stuff like that. And yes, you get people thrown
47:47
out of trucks and stuff. Put them away, you know?
47:49
And so it's it's not it's not gratuitous it's not gratuitous in any way it could
47:57
come off uncomfortable but it's not gratuitous it's nothing like it's handled
48:02
correctly by somebody who knows what they're doing yeah i.e george miller so
48:07
and you know and then of course in mac style.
48:10
Once furiosa gets there and she's going on
48:13
the elevator she looks down at him and he disappears into the crowd
48:16
and of course but but before that
48:19
nox gives whenever he makes a self-sacrifice for
48:22
them to get to the citadel you know by christian the
48:25
the war rake he a brilliant touch again where you know the way the war boys
48:30
their chant is witness me his final words are witness witness me but it's it's
48:36
a completely different context where he is doing it not to get the of Valhalla
48:40
for Immortan Joe on the walk with Immortan Joe,
48:43
he's doing it for his humanity he's restored the humanity,
48:47
and if you know this as well about Nox, see as this film progresses,
48:51
his white warboy paint comes off him more and more, and you see more of,
48:56
you know, his like real person, it's basically symbolic for his return to humanity,
49:02
even though he's got a couple of wee fucking like, hard to get ahead in advertising
49:05
freak things, hanging off you know, those boys that he's given names to.
49:11
But yeah. There you go. Freerode, guys.
49:15
Fucking complete opposite of that train wreck. We just talked about Mad Max
49:20
beyond the Thunderdome.
49:21
I said before, I'll say it. One of the greatest films of the 21st century so
49:24
far. Yeah, I'll say it again. It's a masterpiece.
49:27
Very few masterpieces out there. Sasha Gredemsen, Die Hard, Psycho,
49:31
Jaws, It's a Wonderful Life, Bridge on the River Kwai, and Mad Max Freerode is going to be.
49:39
It's just incredible. It is just master class.
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And I'm looking forward to talking Furiosa next because I just watched them
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back to back and it's just an adrenaline rush.
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And then you get, but I'll discuss that more when we talk Furiosa of how I felt
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at the very end of Furiosa.
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But wow. I hope because the box office, unfortunately the box office,
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which I don't, we'll talk about it in a minute here, Furiosa but I'm hoping
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that it finds its niche you know on sales and 4k and so forth and they get that
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little resurgence so Miller can complete I think there's a trilogy here and
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it's got to be with Hardy and I'd love to see.
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Charlize Theron come back as Furiosa it'd be really nice to see that.
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The one in the pipeline is going to be called Mad Max The Wasteland which was
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always in the pipeline since this one But the problem is it's now potentially
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up in the air because of the poor box office performance of Furiosa.
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Yeah. But we'll talk about that when we talk Furiosa.
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Listen, guys, thanks for this. We've been a little longer one.
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Again, I do apologize for getting it out late.
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And we got a busy time coming up. We got both. We got the wrap up the Mad Max
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Furiosa. We got the two Beetlejuices coming out.
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And then we hit Horror Month. month, we've got most of the titles picked,
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but as you probably already know, it's going to be Smile 2.
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Oh God, we got to revisit Smile.
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Me and Trevor hated it, but it'd be interesting to see if they fixed what we
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hated about it. So we'll be doing that one.
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Salem's Lot, finally, the reboot is getting released on digital demand, October 5th.
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And we're also to be doing a great special with screenwriter Pete Atkins in
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regards to one of my favorite Guilty Pleasures, Whismaster.
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He'll be live while we're doing that review.
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So it'll be kind of fun to see now from page to screen.
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And then those ones will be recorded in October.
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And then we're also going to be doing Founder's Day, a little slasher film that
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I thought was quite fun in the vein of movies like Scream.
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We're also going to be doing the Amityville Horror as we need to get back to our 70s classics.
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And I think that's all we got right now. Now, do you got anything you want to add?
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No, that's about it from me. Yeah. Yeah. Until next time, folks,
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when we talk Furiosa. Here we are.
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