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Police Make Terrifying Discovery Inside a Family Shed · Murder Files Unsealed

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Imagine a ticking clock, right? And it starts on a
• 0:03
  Speaker 1: really quiet Sunday evening.
• 0:05
  Speaker 2: Just a normal weekend.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. A young man picks up a phone, he
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  Speaker 1: dials 911, and he effectively tells the authorities, I am
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  Speaker 1: a danger right now.
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  Speaker 2: Which is exactly what you want someone in crisis to do.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And the system, I mean, the dispatcher, the police,
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  Speaker 1: the paramedics, the local hospital, they all spring into action.
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  Speaker 2: The gears turn exactly as they're designed to.
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  Speaker 1: They really do. They assess him, they transport him, they
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  Speaker 1: process him. And then, looking at the exact same young
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  Speaker 1: man who just cried out for help, they decide there
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: is no medical necessity to keep him.
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  Speaker 2: So they just send him home.
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  Speaker 1: They send him home. And the clock just keeps ticking.
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  Speaker 1: And exactly 48 hours later, his new wife is dead
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  Speaker 1: in their backyard.
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  Speaker 2: It's just, it's the ultimate nightmare scenario. Of systemic limitation
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  Speaker 2: colliding with a total psychiatric collapse.
• 0:55
  Speaker 1: It really is.
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  Speaker 2: We trust these institutions to act as this infallible safety net, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like a filter that separates the safe from the dangerous.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, we rely on that.
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  Speaker 2: But what we're actually dealing with is a sieve with
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  Speaker 2: massive gaping holes. And those holes are defined by legal thresholds,
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  Speaker 2: triage protocols, and just the inability of a medical chart
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  Speaker 2: to capture the invisible deterioration of a human mind.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this because we are diving into a
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  Speaker 1: deeply unsettling, meticulously documented source today.
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  Speaker 2: It's an incredibly intense case. It is.
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  Speaker 1: We're looking at a transcript from the true crime YouTube
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  Speaker 1: channel Beyond Evil, and it details a harrowing case out
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  Speaker 1: of Waller County, Texas. Right. Our objective for you listening
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  Speaker 1: today is to reconstruct the tragic timeline of the murder
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  Speaker 1: of Angie Diaz Dicas by her 21-year-old husband, Jared Dicas.
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  Speaker 2: And we really need to stress that this isn't just
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  Speaker 2: about the grisly details.
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  Speaker 1: No, absolutely not. We aren't here to just gawk at
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  Speaker 1: a tragedy. We're looking at this because it offers this
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  Speaker 1: terrifyingly pristine hour-by-hour view of how a mind completely fractures.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and how the people around that mind, the family, police, doctors,
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  Speaker 2: they all fail to realize the fracture is fatal until
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  Speaker 2: it's just way too late.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. And what's fascinating here is that the source text
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  Speaker 1: isn't some retrospective summary written years later, you know.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's built almost entirely on primary real time audio.
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  Speaker 2: We have the 911 transcripts.
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  Speaker 1: We have the police body camera recording.
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  Speaker 2: Right. And the actual interrogation room exchanges. You're analyzing a
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  Speaker 2: tragedy in the present tense, which is so rare.
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  Speaker 1: It forces us to examine the behavioral psychology of everyone involved,
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  Speaker 1: not just the suspect. but the desperate father trying to
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  Speaker 1: manage the fallout, and the detectives trying to impose logic
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  Speaker 1: on a completely illogical act.
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  Speaker 2: It's a complete systemic interaction happening in real time.
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  Speaker 1: For you listening, we know this is incredibly dark terrain.
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  Speaker 1: But studying these critical breakdowns in human behavior and emergency response, well,
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  Speaker 1: it's really the only way we begin to understand the
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  Speaker 1: actual granular complexities of mental health and addiction crises.
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  Speaker 2: Because we rely on these systems to catch people.
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  Speaker 1: We do. And when the system fails, we owe it
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  Speaker 1: to the victims, like Angie, to dissect exactly how those
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  Speaker 1: dominoes fell. So we begin our timeline just two nights
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  Speaker 1: prior to the murder, Sunday night in Waller County.
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  Speaker 2: It's a typical Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Jared Dickus, 21 years old, dials 911. And the
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  Speaker 1: moment the dispatcher answers, we see the very first major
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  Speaker 1: psychological red flag.
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  Speaker 2: He immediately confesses to something.
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  Speaker 1: He does. He says, uh, I did a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of drugs and I need help.
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  Speaker 2: And the dispatcher naturally asks, what's wrong?
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  Speaker 1: Right, and Jared says he doesn't feel well. But then,
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  Speaker 1: almost in the exact same breath, the psychological whiplash hits.
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  Speaker 1: He violently backtracks.
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  Speaker 2: Which is so jarring to hear.
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  Speaker 1: It is. He tells the dispatcher, no ma'am, I'm completely sorry,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why I called.
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  Speaker 2: The psychology of that specific rapid-fire contradiction is profound. You
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  Speaker 2: are witnessing a mind engaged in a brutal tug-of-war between
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  Speaker 2: a basic survival instinct, an intense... chemically induced paranoia.
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  Speaker 1: Can you break down what's happening in his brain there?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's look at the mechanics. When someone is in
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  Speaker 2: acute distress, especially from an unknown or overwhelming narcotic, the amygdala,
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  Speaker 2: which is the brain's threat detection center, it's basically screaming
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  Speaker 2: that the body is in danger.
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  Speaker 1: Right, so the logical response is to get help.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. A response ingrained in us since childhood is to
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  Speaker 2: dial 911. So he reaches out. But the moment a
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  Speaker 2: figure of authority gets on the line... A secondary wave
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  Speaker 2: of paranoia just crashes over him.
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  Speaker 1: Because he realizes who he's talking to.
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  Speaker 2: Right. He suddenly realizes he has just confessed to a
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  Speaker 2: crime to the police. The paranoia overrides the medical distress,
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  Speaker 2: and he just tries to erase the interaction entirely.
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  Speaker 1: But the dispatcher, she keeps him on the line. She's
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  Speaker 1: trying to verify if he still needs an ambulance, and
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  Speaker 1: she notes that his family is actually there with him.
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  Speaker 2: Good on the dispatcher for not just letting it go.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Jared eventually admits he does need help, and he
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  Speaker 1: actually coordinates with his family to put their dogs away
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  Speaker 1: for the paramedics. So the system is in motion. Units
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  Speaker 1: are dispatched.
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  Speaker 2: The safety net is deploying. It is.
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  Speaker 1: But then while the ambulance and the police are literally
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  Speaker 1: navigating the dark roads to his house, Jared calls 911
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  Speaker 1: a second time. And the narrative has completely inverted. He
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  Speaker 1: tells the second dispatcher, I've been drugged yesterday. I don't
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  Speaker 1: feel well, and I didn't do any drugs.
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  Speaker 2: That shift right there. Going from I did drugs to
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  Speaker 2: I was drugged, that is a textbook manifestation of escalating psychosis.
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  Speaker 1: Why does the brain do that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, the brain is experiencing these intolerable internal sensations, racing heart,
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  Speaker 2: maybe auditory or visual distortions, just extreme anxiety. And the
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  Speaker 2: mind is a narrative-making machine.
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  Speaker 1: So it's trying to make a story that fits the panic.
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  Speaker 2: Precisely. When it cannot tolerate the reality that it caused
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  Speaker 2: its own suffering, it externalizes the threat. It is psychologically
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  Speaker 2: easier for a paranoid, fracturing mind to believe I am
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  Speaker 2: the victim of a poisoning than to process I am
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  Speaker 2: having a severe, self-induced adverse reaction.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. So he's projecting the chaos outward.
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  Speaker 2: He's projecting his internal chaos onto an invisible external enemy.
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  Speaker 1: I want to focus on the physical reality of the
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  Speaker 1: response here, too, because it sets up the great tragedy
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  Speaker 1: of this entire case.
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  Speaker 2: The arrival of the first responders.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Emergency medical services and the police arrive. This includes
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  Speaker 1: a deputy, Randy Lewis, and keep that name in mind
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  Speaker 1: because his role in this later on is just haunting.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely remember that name.
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  Speaker 1: They navigate this muddy rural Texas road to reach the
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  Speaker 1: Dekas property. They assess Jared. They hear him reportedly claiming
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  Speaker 1: that he is hearing voices.
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  Speaker 2: Which is a massive red flag for psychosis. It is.
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  Speaker 1: And they do the right thing, right? They transport him
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  Speaker 1: to the hospital.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But here is the critical, catastrophic pivot point. Jared is
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  Speaker 1: released from the hospital shortly after arriving.
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  Speaker 2: Just sent right back out.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Discharged right back into the care of his father,
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  Speaker 1: Rodney Dickus, because the medical staff determined there was no
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  Speaker 1: apparent medical necessity for a longer stay.
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  Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture of our
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  Speaker 2: medical infrastructure, this is exactly where the framework fundamentally fails
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  Speaker 2: mental health crises.
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  Speaker 1: Because it's not built for it. No.
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  Speaker 2: Emergency rooms are machines built for acute trauma. They're designed
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  Speaker 2: to stabilize heart attacks, gunshot wounds, strokes. When a patient
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  Speaker 2: comes in under the influence of narcotics, the hospital operates
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  Speaker 2: on a purely physiological checklist.
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  Speaker 1: Checking the vitals and all that.
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  Speaker 2: Right. They look at the telemetry monitor. Is the heart
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  Speaker 2: rate in a survivable range? Is respiration steady? Are the
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  Speaker 2: kidneys flushing? If the physical metrics fall back into a baseline,
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  Speaker 2: the medical obligation often just ends right there.
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  Speaker 1: I have to challenge the logic of that system, though.
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  Speaker 1: You have a patient who was literally just calling 911
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  Speaker 1: in a state of sheer panic, claiming he's hearing things,
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  Speaker 1: contradicting himself wildly.
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  Speaker 2: It seems obviously wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Right. How does a physician look at a patient actively
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  Speaker 1: experiencing auditory hallucinations and decide, yeah, they're good to go?
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  Speaker 2: It's baffling from the outside.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a check engine light that flashes wildly, but
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  Speaker 1: when you pull into the mechanic, it turns off. The
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  Speaker 1: system looks at the surface and says, good to go,
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  Speaker 1: while the engine is actually melting down.
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  Speaker 2: That is a brilliant analogy and a very fair critique.
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  Speaker 2: But we have to look at the legal threshold hospitals
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  Speaker 2: are bound by here. To keep an adult against their will,
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  Speaker 2: you know, to initiate a psychiatric hold, that requires a
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  Speaker 2: very specific, incredibly high legal burden.
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  Speaker 1: They can't just lock him up because he acted weird.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. The patient generally has to be in imminent danger
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  Speaker 2: of harming themselves or harming someone else, and that danger
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  Speaker 2: has to be observable and articulable by the medical staff
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  Speaker 2: in that exact moment.
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  Speaker 1: So if he's calm in the bed, they're stuck.
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  Speaker 2: Right. If Jared is sitting in a hospital bed, physically stabilized,
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  Speaker 2: acting relatively compliant with the nurses, and not actively lunging
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  Speaker 2: at anyone or threatening suicide, the hospital's hands are legally tied.
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  Speaker 2: They cannot legally hold a 21-year-old adult simply because he
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  Speaker 2: had a paranoid episode an hour ago.
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  Speaker 1: But the consequence of that legal limitation is this false
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  Speaker 1: sense of security that is almost cruel in its deception.
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  Speaker 2: It really is. The family thinks he's safe.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. Jared goes home with his father. And for exactly
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  Speaker 1: 24 hours, the Dickis family probably thought they had weathered
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  Speaker 1: the storm, they had a crisis, they utilized the emergency systems,
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  Speaker 1: the doctors checked him out, and now he was home resting.
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  Speaker 2: They trusted the system's implied verdict.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that he is safe to go home. But that
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  Speaker 1: quiet 24-hour window isn't a recovery, it's an incubation period.
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  Speaker 1: And it leads directly into the absolute nightmare of Tuesday afternoon.
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  Speaker 2: The transition from Sunday night to Tuesday afternoon represents the
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  Speaker 2: total collapse of that illusion of safety.
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  Speaker 1: It's just devastating. So Tuesday afternoon, Rodney Dykus, Jared's father,
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  Speaker 1: calls 911.
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  Speaker 2: The second 911 call.
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  Speaker 1: And the transcript of this call is suffocating to even read.
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  Speaker 1: The man is in a state of utter breathless distress.
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  Speaker 1: He gets the dispatcher on the line and says, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know everything, but my son.
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  Speaker 2: wife is dead i can't even imagine making that call.
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  Speaker 1: The dispatcher is trying to get a handle on the
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  Speaker 1: scene asking where jared is rodney explains that jared is
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  Speaker 1: inside the house laying on the floor crying and crucially
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  Speaker 1: that he has.
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  Speaker 2: No weapons rodney is trying to control an impossible situation.
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  Speaker 1: He really is. But then Rodney drops a detail into
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  Speaker 1: the conversation that completely shatters the timeline we thought we understood.
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  Speaker 1: He tells the dispatcher that Jared had confessed the crime
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  Speaker 1: to his mother that morning.
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  Speaker 2: That detail changes everything. The psychological weight of that moment
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  Speaker 2: for Rodney Dykus is almost incomprehensible. Look at the burden
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  Speaker 2: this man is shouldering in real time.
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  Speaker 1: It's massive.
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  Speaker 2: His daughter-in-law's brutally murdered body is somewhere on his property.
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  Speaker 2: His son, who just committed this unimaginable violence, is sobbing
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  Speaker 2: on the floor in front of him. And Rodney is
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  Speaker 2: suddenly forced into the role of a hostage negotiator and
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  Speaker 2: a tactical dispatcher.
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  Speaker 1: All at the same time. Right.
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  Speaker 2: He is trying to orchestrate a police response that won't
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  Speaker 2: result in his son being gunned down in his own
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  Speaker 2: living room.
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  Speaker 1: I completely agree with the tactical nightmare Rodney is in,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm struggling with the time gap. And I know
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  Speaker 1: you listening to this are probably fixated on this, too.
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  Speaker 2: The missing hours.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. If Jared told his mother what he did in
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  Speaker 1: the morning... Why is Rodney making the 911 call in
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  Speaker 1: the late afternoon? We are talking about hours of missing time.
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  Speaker 1: What is happening in that house during that gap?
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  Speaker 2: It is the most disturbing question in the entire source material.
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  Speaker 2: From a behavioral standpoint, we have to look at the
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  Speaker 2: neurology of shock.
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  Speaker 1: Like they just couldn't process it.
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  Speaker 2: Basically. When a human being is confronted with information that
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  Speaker 2: entirely destroys their reality... I mean, a mother being told
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  Speaker 2: by her son that he has just murdered his new bride.
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  Speaker 2: The brain does not immediately pivot to rational action. It
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  Speaker 2: often triggers a profound freeze response.
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  Speaker 1: Just totally shutting down. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: There is likely an extended period of sheer denial. A
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  Speaker 2: desperate internal calculation trying to prove the information false. The
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  Speaker 2: family might have been paralyzed trying to verify if this
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  Speaker 2: horrific confession was real or if it was just another
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  Speaker 2: drug-induced delusion like Sunday night.
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  Speaker 1: I see the freeze response theory, but I'll push back slightly.
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  Speaker 1: A freeze response accounts for minutes, maybe an hour, but
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  Speaker 1: an entire morning into the afternoon.
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  Speaker 2: It is a massive stretch of time, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It feels like a family unit experiencing a catastrophic system overload,
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  Speaker 1: where they are actively wrestling with the existential terror of
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  Speaker 1: turning their own flesh and blood over to a system
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  Speaker 1: that will take him away forever.
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  Speaker 2: A tragic, doomed paralysis.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. But to Rodney's credit... Look at how he manages
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  Speaker 1: the scene once he does break out of that paralysis
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  Speaker 1: and makes the call. He specifically notes to 9-1 that
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  Speaker 1: Jared has no weapons.
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  Speaker 2: That's a crucial detail for the police.
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  Speaker 1: He gives Jared to stay down, to stay calm. He
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  Speaker 1: is actively packaging the suspect for a safe police arrival.
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  Speaker 2: Which is incredibly astute of him, despite his own massive trauma.
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  Speaker 2: Rodney implicitly understands the volatility of American law enforcement. responding
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  Speaker 2: to a violent crime scene.
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  Speaker 1: If they walk into chaos, it could end badly.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. If the police breach that property and Jared is
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  Speaker 2: pacing or holding an object or hidden in a back room,
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  Speaker 2: the probability of an officer-involved shooting is exponentially high. Rodney
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  Speaker 2: suppressed his own horror just enough to manage his son's
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  Speaker 2: physical posture, ensuring that when the police arrive, they saw
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  Speaker 2: a contained, weeping suspect, not an active threat.
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  Speaker 1: And the police do arrive. And this is where the
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  Speaker 1: narrative loops back on itself in the most eerie way possible.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, this part is chilling.
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  Speaker 1: Deputy Randy Lewis, the exact same officer who had driven
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  Speaker 1: up that muddy road on Sunday night to help a
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  Speaker 1: paranoid kid with a medical issue, he arrives on the
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  Speaker 1: scene on Tuesday.
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  Speaker 2: Just 48 hours later.
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  Speaker 1: You can hear it on his body camera audio. He
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  Speaker 1: literally says out loud, I was here 48 hours ago.
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  Speaker 2: Imagine the cognitive dissonance for that officer. He treated Sunday
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  Speaker 2: as a routine routine. albeit bizarre medical assist. Two days later,
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  Speaker 2: he steps onto the exact same dirt, looking at the
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  Speaker 2: exact same family, but now he is walking into one
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  Speaker 2: of the most gruesome homicide scenes imaginable.
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  Speaker 1: It's completely flipped.
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  Speaker 2: It really highlights how quickly domestic spaces can transform into
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  Speaker 2: sites of extreme violence.
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  Speaker 1: And Jared's behavior at this point is deeply unsettling. The
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  Speaker 1: officers on the radio refer to him as the old redhead.
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  Speaker 1: He is sitting right where his father positioned him.
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  Speaker 2: Just waiting.
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  Speaker 1: He's quietly handcuffed. He is placed in the back of
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  Speaker 1: the cruiser. The deputy notes that Jerry didn't say a
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  Speaker 1: single word and the deputy didn't speak to him either.
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  Speaker 2: No exchange at all.
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  Speaker 1: None. There's no struggle. There is no yelling. Just this vast,
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  Speaker 1: empty silence. Meanwhile, the discovery is being made. Angie Diaz-Dicas
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  Speaker 1: is found deceased in a converted shed on the Oak
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  Speaker 1: Hollow Boulevard property.
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  Speaker 2: The crime scene itself.
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  Speaker 1: And the violence of the scene is staggering. It is
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  Speaker 1: a decapitation. The body camera audio captures a sergeant warning
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  Speaker 1: other officers to stay out of the building, referring to
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  Speaker 1: it as an ugly, ugly spot.
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  Speaker 2: The juxtaposition between the unspeakable savagery of the crime scene
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  Speaker 2: inside the shed and the total motionless silence of the
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: perpetrator in the back of the police car is just jarring.
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  Speaker 1: How do you explain that behavioral toggle? I mean, less
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  Speaker 1: than an hour ago, according to his father's 911 call,
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  Speaker 1: Jared was laying on the floor crying hysterical.
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  Speaker 2: He was emotionally devastated.
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  Speaker 1: Right. But the moment the police arrive, he is a ghost.
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  Speaker 1: He is completely pliant, silent, and empty. How does a
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  Speaker 1: human being switch off like that?
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  Speaker 2: What you are looking at is the physiological limits of
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  Speaker 2: the human nervous system. Whether he was coming down from
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: a massive drug high or experiencing the terrifying clarity that
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: sometimes follows a psychotic break, his emotional circuitry simply short-circuited.
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  Speaker 1: Like blowing a fuse.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Crying on the floor was the final expenditure of
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: his emotional and physical energy. By the time he is handcuffed,
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: he has entered a state of profound dissociation. The brain,
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  Speaker 2: unable to process the reality of the murder and the
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: finality of the arrest, essentially severs the connection between consciousness
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: and the physical environment.
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  Speaker 1: So he's just not really there.
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  Speaker 2: He is emotionally flatlining.
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  Speaker 1: That emotional flatlining in Jared is in stark contrast to
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: what happens next with his father. As the crime scene
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  Speaker 1: units flood the property, there is momentary confusion about the
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  Speaker 1: geography of the scene.
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  Speaker 2: Which happens in chaos.
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  Speaker 1: The officers aren't sure which building actually houses the victim.
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  Speaker 1: They approach Rodney and ask for consent to search the
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: main house. And Rodney just detonates.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: The audio of this interaction is incredibly raw. It is pure,
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: unfiltered trauma.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Rodney starts screaming at the police, vehemently protecting his dogs.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: He tells them he has nine dogs inside the main house.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: He yells, telling heavily armed officers that they will have
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: to shoot my goddamn dogs to get in. Wow. It
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: is an incredibly aggressive, dangerous posture to take with police
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: at a fresh murder scene. But then, almost as rapidly
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: as the anger flared, it vanishes. Rodney calms down. He
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: clarifies that the body is in the back house, the shed,
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: and he actually apologizes to the officers.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: If we analyze Rodney's outburst through the lens of trauma psychology,
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: this is a classic manifestation of displacement and acute stress response.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Displacement, like putting the anger somewhere else.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Rodney's entire world has just been obliterated. His daughter-in-law is dead,
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: his son is a murderer, and his property is swarming
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: with strangers holding guns. He has zero control over any
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: of these catastrophic facts.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: So he finds something he can control.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: Exactly. His brain desperately searches for something, anything, that he
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: can control and protect. He fixates on his nine dogs.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: The dogs become the proxy for his entire family unit.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: The threat of police entering the house and potentially harming
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: his animals is the final psychological tripwire.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: It wasn't really about the search at all.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: His rage wasn't really about the police searching the house, no.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: It was a desperate, primal scream against the total loss
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: of control over his life.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: And this is where I think we have to highlight
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: the profound professionalism of the deputies on the scene. It
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: would have been very easy for officers to escalate, you know,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: to view a screaming man at a murder scene as
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: a threat and to meet his aggression with force.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Especially given the adrenaline they must be feeling.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: But they don't. They immediately de-escalate. They assure Rodney they
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: aren't going to hurt his dogs. They apologize for the confusion.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: They absorb his trauma without letting their own egos get involved.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: And they calmly redirect him.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: It is masterful restraint. They recognize that they were talking
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: to a man experiencing the worst day of his life,
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: not an accomplice trying to obstruct justice.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that takes incredible training.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: They gave him the space to express that displaced rage,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: validated his concern for his animals... and then gently pulled
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: him back to the necessary logistics of the investigation.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: So Rodney points them to the shed, and Jared is
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: transported to the sheriff's department. That eerie, detached silence travels
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: with him. It is now Tuesday evening, around 10 p.m.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Jared is placed in an interview room to await the detectives.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: And this is where the system really takes over.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Right. The state's machinery begins to process him. They place
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: brown paper bags over his hands.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: The paper bags are a critical forensic preservation technique, especially
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: in crimes involving immense physical violence or bladed weapons.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: What are they trying to preserve, exactly?
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Well, the hands of the suspect are the primary point
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: of contact with the victim. They hold the microscopic story
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: of the crime. Blood spatter patterns, skin cells caught under
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: fingernails from the victim fighting back, or defensive wounds on
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: the suspect's own skin.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: So they don't want him tampering with it. Right.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: By bagging his hands, law enforcement ensures he cannot wash them,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: wipe them on his jeans, or degrade that biological evidence
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: before technicians can properly swab them.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: But it's his behavior inside this room with his hands
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: bag that is just deeply bizarre. For the first hour,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Jared simply sleeps on the floor.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Which is strange enough on its own.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: But then he wakes up, and instead of pacing or
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: crying or knocking on the door to ask for a lawyer,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: he starts doing exercises. He is doing squats and sit-ups
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: in the middle of a police holding room.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: It looks completely absurd on a security camera, I'm sure.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: But biologically, it paints a very specific picture of a
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: nervous system in chaos.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Let's start with the sleeping part.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Let's look at the sleeping first. Most people arrested for
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: a crime are flooded with cortisol and adrenaline, right? They
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: are vibrating with anxiety. For Jared to sleep on a
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: concrete floor just hours after committing a decapitation strongly suggests
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: a massive physiological crash.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: A crash from the drugs?
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Yes. If he was coming off a prolonged methamphetamine binge,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: his central nervous system was utterly depleted. The body simply
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: forces a shutdown.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: And the sudden shift to doing squats. I mean, how
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: do you go from asleep to working out?
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: The squats are a biomechanical attempt at self-soothing. When he
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: wakes up, the reality of the tiny room and the
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: impending interrogation begins to set in. The anxiety spikes again.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: And he has to do something with that energy. Right.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: When the human body is flooded with stress hormones but
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: physically trapped, it demands an outlet for that kinetic energy. Repetitive,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: gross motor movements like squats or sit-ups are a subconscious
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: way for the brain to burn off that chemical flood
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: and attempt to regain a sense of physical regulation.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: While he is cycling through this bizarre routine of sleeping
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: and sweating, the forensic technicians enter the room, and the
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: interaction is incredibly clinical.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Just strictly business.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: They come in with swab kits to collect his DNA
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: and check for gunpowder residue. They strip him down to
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: take full-body photographs documenting every scratch and bruise. They shine
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: harsh lights into his eyes to measure his pupil dilation,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: looking for narcotic indicators.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: They're gathering all the objective data. Yeah.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: They demand a urine sample to formally test for methamphetamine.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: And through all of this intimate, invasive processing, Jared is
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: highly cooperative. He just hangs his head in defeat.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: He's just letting it happen.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: I look at this scene, and here's where it gets
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: really interesting. I am struck by the sheer duality of it.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: You have a young man who is clearly battling profound
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: internal demons, navigating the collapse of his entire existence. And
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: the justice system is just quietly, methodically interacting with him
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: as if he's nothing more than a biological crime scene.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: That clinical detachment is the very foundation of the criminal
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: justice system. The detectives who will interrogate him care about
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: his narrative, but the forensic technicians only care about his biology.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Because biology doesn't lie.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Exactly. His internal emotional state is subjective and can be
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: lied about. His urine sample and the DNA under his
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: fingernails are objective truths. They are mapping his physical reality
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: at the exact hour of his arrest, completely independent of
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: whatever story he is about to tell.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: And that story is about to be demanded of him.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: The two detectives finally open the door and walk into
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: the room. They read him his rights and the interrogation begins.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: But Jared's initial posture is incredibly walled off.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: He's not giving them anything.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: They ask him a simple baseline question. They say, what
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: is your name? And Jared says he doesn't know. The detective,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: clearly skeptical, asks, you don't know your name? And Jared
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: gives this chilling response. He says, I used to know.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Wow, that is heavy.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: He then proceeds to give a series of wildly contradictory
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: statements about his drug use. He claims he used meth once.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Then he claims he had been awake for two straight weeks.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Then he acts completely confused about time itself.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: The phrase, I used to know, is a profound linguistic
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: marker of disassociation. Now, this raises an important question for
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: the listener to consider. Are we witnessing the genuine fragmentation
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: of a mind destroyed by a two-week methamphetamine binge, or
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: are we watching a primitive subconscious defense mechanism?
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Like he's faking it to protect himself.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Well, not necessarily consciously faking it. If he acknowledges his
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: own name, he has to acknowledge that the entity named
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Jared committed an atrocity. By severing his identity... He is
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: attempting to distance himself from the horror. It's a psychological firewall.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: The detectives approach this firewall with a very soft strategy initially.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: They lean heavily on empathy. One detective literally says, I'm
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: very sorry, help us understand.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Trying to play the good cop.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: They are using an information-gathering approach, asking him gently about
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: his mindset, asking if he was mad at his wife.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: But Jared absolutely stonewalls them. He refuses to give a
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: coherent answer.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: He's not taking the bait.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: So the detectives realize the soft touch isn't working, and
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: they execute a hard pivot. They drop the empathy and
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: move straight to leverage.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: This is a calculated escalation in interrogation tactics. They recognize
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: that he is retreating into this protective fog, so they
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: decide to introduce an existential threat to force him out
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: of it.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: The detective leans across the table and lays out the
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: reality of the situation. He tells Jared that there is
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: overwhelming forensic evidence. He specifically cites the DNA.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: He's boxing him in.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: He tells him... You're not going to beat the DNA.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: And then they introduce the ultimate threat, which is the jury.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: The detectives explicitly tell him that this room is his
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: one and only shot to show remorse and ask for mercy.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Which is a very common tactic, yeah.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: They warn him that juries absolutely despise suspects who stonewall
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: and refuse to take ownership of their actions. They frame
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: his silence not as protection, but as self-destruction.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is the psychological mechanism the detectives are exploiting.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: They are trying to bypass his psychosis and tap directly
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: into his primal instinct for self-preservation.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Making him worry about his own future.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Exactly. By laying out the reality of the DNA evidence,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: they are telling him the what is already solved. We
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: know you did it. Society knows you did it. The
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: only thing you have left to control is the why.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: That's a powerful framing.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: It really is. They are presenting him with a choice.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: You can either explain yourself and be viewed as a
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: tragic human being who made a terrible mistake, or... You
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: can stay silent and let a jury view you as
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: a cold-blooded, remorseless monster.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Jared tries one last deflection. He tries to hide behind religion.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: He gives this vague spiritual excuse saying, I just lost
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: my way. I lost my way with God.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: But they don't accept that.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: No, the detectives shut it down instantly. They reject the
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: abstraction entirely. They tell him they don't care about his
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: relationship with God. They want to know exactly what he
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: did to Angie.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: They refuse to let him intellectualize or spiritualize the violence.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: They demand the brutal, earthly facts.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: I want to pause here and ask you, you know,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: listening to this, to put yourself in that room. The
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: detectives are applying this immense rational pressure. They are demanding
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: a logical timeline. But I look at the transcript of
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Jared's responses. And I have a fundamental question about the
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: system itself.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: What is that?
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Can a rational justice system actually extract a rational why
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: from a mind that is operating completely irrationally? They're asking
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: for a motive. But what if the motive doesn't exist
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: in reality?
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: That is the ultimate paradox of interrogating psychosis. Our legal
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: system is built on the concept of a rational actor.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: You know, motive, intent, opportunity.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: But none of that applies here. Right.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: The detectives are trying to impose a logical framework. Asking,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: did she make you mad? Were you arguing? They're applying
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: that onto an action that was entirely driven by hallucinations.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: But surprisingly, the pressure tactic does yield results.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: It actually works.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the sheer force of the detective's demanding reality snaps
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Jared just enough out of his fog that he begins
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: to articulate the terrifying delusional logic that drove him.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: And this is where the narrative descends into the darkest
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: reality of the deep dive. Jared finally confesses. He admits
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: that he killed Angie.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: The turning point of the interview.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: But he immediately couches the confession in a bizarre caveat.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: He insists that it wasn't Jared who did it. He
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: claims he was forced, stating it was not of my
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: free will.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: So he is conceding the physical act, but aggressively denying
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: the intent. The firewall is still partially intact.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: The detectives push him to explain the timeline of that afternoon.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Jared says he arrived home around 5 p.m., He describes
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: a scene that is heartbreakingly normal.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Just a standard afternoon.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Angie was there. She was pleasant. They talked normally.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: It was just a quiet domestic evening between newlyweds. And
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: then he says Angie picked up the remote and turned
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: on the television. That was the catalyst.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: It is deeply unnerving because it is so utterly mundane.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: The trigger for a brutal murder wasn't an argument or
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: an intrusion. It was the simple act of turning on
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: a screen.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Jared claims that the moment the television turned on, A
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: demonic voice from the broadcast began speaking directly to him.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: He felt an overwhelming sense of being controlled.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: A total break from reality.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: The voice, he says, demanded that he kill his wife.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: And the truly twisted, psychotic logic of his delusion was
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: that he genuinely believed if he didn't obey the voice
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: and kill Angie, the demonic force was going to torture
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: and hurt him.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: This specific detail requires us to look closely at the
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: neurobiology of methamphetamine psychosis.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Because it's not just making things up. His brain is misfiring.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Methamphetamine works by forcing the brain to dump massive
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: amounts of dopamine while simultaneously blocking its reuptake. In chronic
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: use or high doses, this completely destroys the brain's sensory
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: gating system.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Sensory gating? What does that mean?
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: It's the brain's ability to filter out irrelevant background noise
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: and stimuli. The brain is fundamentally a pattern recognition machine.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: When sensory gating fails... the brain begins to aggressively apply
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: meaning to random static. Oh, wow.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: So the TV wasn't just noise to him.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Right. The white noise of a television broadcast is misinterpreted
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: by the auditory cortex as distinct words. And because his
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: amygdala is flooded with fear and paranoia, those hallucinated words
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: are interpreted as a hostile demonic threat. It is a
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: terrifying clinical manifestation of a chemically broken brain.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: He tells the detectives he went and grabbed a knife
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: that was already in the house. The detectives, doing their job,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: ask the brutal, necessary questions to establish the facts.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Of the crime. They have to get the specifics on record.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: They ask him if he began cutting her head off
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: while she was still alive. Jared indicates yes. They ask
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: if she fought back, if she said anything to him
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: in those final moments. And Jared admits that her final
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: word to him was simply, stop.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: It is agonizing to hear that final plea reduced to
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: a single word.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: I want to stop and focus on that for a second.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: We have spent a lot of time analyzing the psychology,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: the meth, the neurological mechanisms of hallucinating a TV demon.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: We can get very clinical about it.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: We can, but we have to strip all of that
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: clinical analysis and all of his excuses away and look
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: at the horrifying reality of what happened in that space.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Angie Diaz-Dycus was a new bride. The source text notes
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: they had just been married the previous September.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Just starting her life.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: She was sitting in the safety of her own home,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: completely unaware that a chemical her husband had voluntarily introduced
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: into his body had turned him into a lethal threat
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: in a matter of hours.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: She had absolutely no way of anticipating it.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: In fact, Jared admits to the detectives that his drug
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: use was incredibly new and that Angie had absolutely no
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: idea he was even using meth.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: The profound tragedy of Angie's death is the total lack
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: of warning. She couldn't protect herself. She couldn't leave because
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: the threat simply didn't exist until the exact moment it
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: manifested in violence.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: The ultimate betrayal, in a way.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: She was navigating a normal evening in her marriage, entirely
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: blind to the fact that her husband's mind had been hijacked.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: It is the ultimate devastating collateral damage of a hidden addiction.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: A young woman simply asking her husband to stop. It
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: is visceral. It is horrific. And it anchors the reality
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: of this entire case firmly on the vibrant life that
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: was brutally taken.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: We can't lose sight of that.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: We really can't. We have to shift our focus now, though,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: moving from the blood-stained reality of that converted shed to
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: the cold, sterile, highly structured reality of the courtroom. How
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: does society and the legal system process a crime born
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: of such profound delusion?
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: The legal conclusion of this case is often where the
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: public finds the most confusion and frustration.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Given everything we just discussed, the erratic 911 calls
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: on Sunday, the bizarre squatting in the holding room, the
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: deep documented psychosis regarding the television demon during the interrogation.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Any reasonable person listening to this would assume Jared would
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: utilize an insanity defense.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: It seems like the most obvious legal strategy.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: But that is not what happened. A court-ordered competency hearing
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: was held, and the judge found Jared Dekas fit to
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: stand trial.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: This is where we must clearly delineate between two very
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: different legal concepts. We have competency to stand trial and
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: insanity at the time of the crime. The public often
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: conflates the two, but they measure the mind at two
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: completely different points in time.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Let's unpack this for the listener, because when you hear
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: a guy say a TV demon threatened him into decapitating
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: his wife, he sounds unequivocally insane. How does a judge
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: look at that and say, yes, this man is competent?
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Because competency has absolutely nothing to do with his mental
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: state on the day of the murder. Competency to stand
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: trial looks exclusively at the defendant's mental state in the
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: present moment. during the legal proceedings months or years after
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  Speaker 2: the fact.
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  Speaker 1: So it's just about right now, not the past.
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  Speaker 2: Correct. The legal standard, which was established by cases like
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Dusky v. United States, is relatively low. It asks, does
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  Speaker 2: the defendant currently understand the charges against them? Do they
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  Speaker 2: understand the roles of the judge, the prosecutor, and their
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  Speaker 2: own defense attorney?
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  Speaker 1: And can they help their own lawyer?
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Can they rationally assist their lawyer in preparing a defense?
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: By the time Jared's competency hearing rolled around, The methamphetamine
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: was long gone from his system. The acute chemical psychosis
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: had faded.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: So the fog had lifted.
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  Speaker 2: He sat in that courtroom knowing he'd killed his wife,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: knowing he was facing a murder charge, and knowing the
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: consequences were severe. Therefore, legally, he was competent to proceed.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: And once he was found competent, rather than going to
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: trial and attempting that insanity defense, Jared accepted a plea deal.
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  Speaker 1: He pled guilty to murder.
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  Speaker 2: Which skips the trial entirely.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Right. He was sentenced to 40 years in the state
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: penitentiary system, specifically sent to a facility in Tennessee Colony, Texas.
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  Speaker 1: He will not be eligible for parole until the year 2043,
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  Speaker 1: when he is in his 60s.
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  Speaker 2: The decision to plead guilty rather than fight for an
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: insanity verdict is incredibly pragmatic from a defense standpoint. An
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: insanity defense is notoriously difficult to win in front of
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: a jury under the best of circumstances.
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  Speaker 1: Juries just don't like it.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: No, they don't. But in Texas and in most jurisdictions,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Voluntary intoxication, choosing to consume methamphetamine, almost entirely nullifies an
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: insanity defense. Juries are profoundly unsympathetic to a defendant who
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: chemically induced their own psychotic break.
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  Speaker 1: And we also have to look at the immense value
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: of the plea deal for the families involved. A trial
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: would have been a secondary trauma of unimaginable proportions.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: It would have dragged out for years.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: I would have meant putting those grisly, horrific crime scene
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: photos on a projector for the public to see. It
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: would have meant forcing Rodney Dykus to take the stand
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: and listen to his own frantic one call replayed over
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  Speaker 1: and over in a public courtroom.
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  Speaker 2: Just reliving the worst day of his life.
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  Speaker 1: The plea deal bypasses that theater and efficiently locks in
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: a lengthy sentence.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: It secures a conviction and protects the survivors from the
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: agonizing spectacle of of a prolonged legal battle.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: So what does this all mean when we step back
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: and look at the timeline we've constructed today? We see
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: a 21-year-old young man making a panicked one call on
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: a Sunday night, reaching out for help, and then retracting it.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: The system engages, then disengages.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: We see a hospital system assessing him and releasing him.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: And by Tuesday afternoon, a young woman is dead, a
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: father is irreparably traumatized, And decades of a young man's
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: freedom are forfeited to the Texas penitentiary system.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: The sheer velocity of the destruction is staggering.
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  Speaker 1: It took less than 48 hours for multiple lives to
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: be completely dismantled.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: We have examined the precarious, heavily flawed nature of our
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: emergency mental health interventions today. We've looked at how the
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: strict legal definition of medical necessity at hospitals can unwittingly
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: return a ticking time bomb to a family home.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Which is terrifying.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: We've explored the brutal, hallucinatory neurobiology of drug-induced psychosis, and
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: we've analyzed the devastating ripple effects on a family unit,
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: particularly highlighting Rodney's tragic position as a father forced to
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: manage the apocalyptic aftermath of his son's actions.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: You started this deep dive looking at a horrific, sensational headline,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: a decapitation in a rural Texas shed. But underneath that
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: headline is a terrifying mundane sequence of dominoes that fell
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: perfectly into place over just 48 hours.
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  Speaker 2: Step by terrible step.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: It is a stark reminder of how incredibly fragile normalcy
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: really is.
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  Speaker 2: And how violently it can be shattered by a single
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: hidden variable.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: We rely so heavily on our emergency systems, you know,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: our hospitals, our 911 dispatchers, our paramedics, to act as
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: an infallible safety net. We expect them to catch people
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: when they fall, to see the fracture before it completely breaks.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: But they can only see what they're trained to measure.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Exactly. When an EMS unit leaves a property or a hospital,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: discharges a patient simply because their physical vitals are stable
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: and there is no immediate medical necessity to hold them,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: who is truly equipped to measure the invisible, impending threat
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: of a fractured mind.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: It is the ultimate catastrophic blind spot in our society's
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: safety net.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: I want to leave you with a final thought to
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: mull over as you go about your day. It is
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: easy to look at this case as an extreme outlier.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: But think about the sheer volume of emergency calls made
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: every night in this country regarding erratic behavior or substance abuse.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: It happens constantly.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: It really makes you wonder how many similar devastating tragedies
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: are narrowly avoided every single day, not by the design
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: of our system, but simply by sheer chance.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: It's a heavy thought, but an essential one. if we
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: are ever going to meaningfully improve how we handle the
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: intersection of mental health and addiction.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us for this deep dive into
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: the source material. Take care of yourselves, and we'll catch
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: you on the next one.