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Argoment 09.10.2026 Brasil · Argoment

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  Speaker 1: L'argomento di Vue. Parcure. Le redazioni giornalistiche.
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  Speaker 2: Vue v'in februar di dute un'escheri di puesce, v'in februar
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  Speaker 2: di ceca sta succedinta statte spagnol... in France and many
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  Speaker 2: other slugs were analyzed during this period. A Europe in motion.
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  Speaker 2: Transferences to another part of the world with Solange Giovannetti,
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  Speaker 2: who is a journalist who has worked for a long
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  Speaker 2: time in Sao Paulo, but who for some years has
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  Speaker 2: lived in Cormorant. If you understand what is happening in Brazil,
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  Speaker 2: you will know that and you have to admit it
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  Speaker 2: and notice that in short Brazil is a little far away.
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  Speaker 2: There are many fables about Lula and Bolsonaro and for
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  Speaker 2: example about Cardoso who is a little close to Brazil
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  Speaker 2: and Monte.
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  Speaker 1: And first of all, good day Solange, welcome to Mandi.
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  Speaker 3: Mandi.
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  Speaker 2: Solange, Giovannetti, I ask you what is happening in Brazil
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  Speaker 2: because of this Ballet, Lula and Bolsonaro, Bolsonaro Fin and
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  Speaker 2: Kiss the Cass.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it's really a duel between Bolsonarism and Lulism, as
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  Speaker 4: we can say, and the two Now they are practically
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  Speaker 4: the same in the intention of voting, but we don't
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  Speaker 4: know because in three weeks everything can happen because they
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  Speaker 4: are trying to do the.
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  Speaker 4: Their best to reach a large part of the population
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  Speaker 4: and voters. One thing that I think is very important,
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  Speaker 4: the vote in Brazil is a mandatory vote, mandatory, from
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  Speaker 4: 18 to 70 years old and in these elections the number,
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  Speaker 4: the extension is raised to 22%. This is an important fact.
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  Speaker 4: And the two, now, apart from having their own voters,
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  Speaker 4: are behind this part, this band of the population that
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  Speaker 4: has not voted. And this happens because Lula continues with
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  Speaker 4: his social policy, because he is one of the center-left,
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  Speaker 4: he goes to the left, he goes towards the well-being
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  Speaker 4: of the population and he does not want to abandon
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  Speaker 4: this social policy, his commitment to the social.
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  Speaker 3: Instead, Flavio Bolsonaro is one who comes to.
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  Speaker 4: Claim more modernism, talk more about the future, because Lula
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  Speaker 4: talks a lot about what has been done and instead
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  Speaker 4: Flavio talks much more about the future, what he will
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  Speaker 4: do when he is elected and it is up to him.
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  Speaker 3: The legacy of his father's Bolsonarism. Is there a connection.
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  Speaker 1: Between Bolsonarism and Isal?
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  Speaker 2: Bolsonarism is a recent political phenomenon that started with the
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  Speaker 2: election of Bolsonaro, his father.
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  Speaker 4: Because Bolsonaro's father was also a politician. practically unknown to Brazil.
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  Speaker 4: He was elected in 2018 and then he began to
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  Speaker 4: have a large mass of the population that followed his orientations,
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  Speaker 4: that was in agreement with his government. And he is
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  Speaker 4: an heir, Flavio Bolsonaro, is a political heir to Bolsonarism.
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  Speaker 3: This is it.
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  Speaker 4: But he started a lot with his father, with the
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  Speaker 4: politics of his father, Bolsonaro.
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  Speaker 1: And there is an interest in you as a politician
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  Speaker 1: from Paris.
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  Speaker 4: This is a policy that is more focused on a
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  Speaker 4: class of people, let's say, evangelicals, who are from the
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  Speaker 4: center or the center-right, and the people who have more
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  Speaker 4: purchasing power, the people who have more money, the people
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  Speaker 4: who go to the south of the country, which is
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  Speaker 4: the highest purchasing power.
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  Speaker 3: Or even a little in the center.
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  Speaker 4: And Bolsonaro made this policy for these people, for this
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  Speaker 4: population that had a little more education, because they wanted
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  Speaker 4: to change politics. and people were fed up with that
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  Speaker 4: previous policy and wanted to change, they didn't want.
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  Speaker 3: The PT back in power.
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  Speaker 4: And they changed with Bolsonaro, but Bolsonaro made a government
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  Speaker 4: that was a little chaotic politically. I was not in
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  Speaker 4: Brazil at this time, but I saw this for all
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  Speaker 4: the political observers who said and all the political leaders.
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  Speaker 3: This is what I can say.
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  Speaker 4: His government has turned to a part of the population
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  Speaker 4: that was practically not that population chosen by Galpettismo.
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  Speaker 2: So, an important thing is the Northeast to vote in
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  Speaker 2: a different way, the South in a different way.
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  Speaker 1: This is something to say.
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  Speaker 2: The Evangelics, among other things, in your country, in your state,
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  Speaker 2: in which the Catholicism has remained for a long time,
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  Speaker 2: and with so many icons, with which you go to
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  Speaker 2: Brazil and see that there are so many Evangelical churches,
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  Speaker 2: I was asking you, but who are the Evangelics? But
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  Speaker 2: of course, on television, also on TV, on the news,
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  Speaker 2: and in the information press, they are those who are bargaining.
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  Speaker 2: It's true, and they are also curious. the fear is
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  Speaker 2: that Bolsonaro will be handed over to Brazil to an
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  Speaker 2: intensive exploitation.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, yes, there is certainly this fear because
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  Speaker 4: the evangelical community has grown a lot from the government
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  Speaker 4: of Bolsonaro, the father.
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  Speaker 3: And now they.
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  Speaker 4: Are in power, they are in a party, they are
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  Speaker 4: present in a political party called Centrão. And they are
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  Speaker 4: there and they have many companies and they are also evangelists,
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  Speaker 4: evangelist shepherds. and there is a lot of money circulating
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  Speaker 4: in this part of the population and evangelicals and they
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  Speaker 4: are people who are going through a social regression, so
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  Speaker 4: to speak. These values, which are the family, which are
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  Speaker 4: the property, are something that greatly reduces the political advance
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  Speaker 4: that Brazil had before. Instead, it is a population that
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  Speaker 4: is not as poor as the population of the Northeast,
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  Speaker 4: has achieved with a certain ease. This is a slightly
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  Speaker 4: more educated population, they have a little more money, but.
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  Speaker 3: Is a population that.
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  Speaker 4: Has a lot of prejudices with poor people, really with
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  Speaker 4: poor people, with homosexuals, with black people and that is
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  Speaker 4: why it.
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  Speaker 3: Is said that leaving.
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  Speaker 4: To the voice of this population is very important, but
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  Speaker 4: it's a bit of a regression, I think, social and political.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm explaining myself well, if it's
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  Speaker 3: okay like this.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, no, it's okay, you understand that it
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  Speaker 1: can happen.
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  Speaker 2: Here, Lula in the 80s, there was never a change
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  Speaker 2: at a political level, such as I also ask myself this,
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  Speaker 2: because 46 years of Labour Party.
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  Speaker 4: Produced an influential leader, an important leader. I think there is,
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  Speaker 4: and this is a personal opinion, I think Lula for
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  Speaker 4: a long time has wanted to concentrate a lot of
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  Speaker 4: power in his hands. because he is a charismatic leader,
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  Speaker 4: he is a charismatic person, we cannot deny this, he
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  Speaker 4: is important all over the world, he is well known,
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  Speaker 4: but I think he has concentrated this power a lot
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  Speaker 4: and has not done did not give the opportunity to
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  Speaker 4: another leader.
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  Speaker 3: To be born in the PT.
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  Speaker 4: And after that, the PT, the Workers' Party, made strategic
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  Speaker 4: mistakes to put people who could also be a future
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  Speaker 4: president of the Republic, to put in places that the
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  Speaker 4: person was a bit burned.
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  Speaker 3: If I can explain it like that.
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  Speaker 4: And in the end these people disappeared from the political universe.
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  Speaker 3: Of the PT and the PT focused again on Lula.
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  Speaker 4: But I think he didn't lose his political vigor, Lula,
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  Speaker 4: I think, even with age.
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  Speaker 3: Feels strong, but I don't.
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  Speaker 4: Know if this can face Bolsonarism, because Flavio Bolsonaro is
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  Speaker 4: 45 years old and is full of political vitality.
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  Speaker 2: You explained yourself well, but a figure who is important
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  Speaker 2: but who is not known in Europe is the socialist
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  Speaker 2: Fernando Henrique Cardoso, who started Brazil, which is now on
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  Speaker 2: the streets, which has not been betrayed by anyone. Even
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  Speaker 2: these figures, perhaps of Miecz, are a bit of chaos,
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  Speaker 2: such political connoisseurs from Brazil. These figures that I find
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  Speaker 2: fascinating have been almost denied.
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  Speaker 3: Fernando Henrique was.
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  Speaker 4: A very important president, not a sociologist, and he was
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  Speaker 4: a person of a very large culture, and he put
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  Speaker 4: many social projects, they.
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  Speaker 3: Started in the.
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  Speaker 4: Government of Fernando Henrique and after Lula, let's say, has
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  Speaker 4: improved these social projects, but they started in the government
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  Speaker 4: of Fernando Henrique. This, for example, the Family Wall, which
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  Speaker 4: is like an inclusion assignment, let's say, that helps the
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  Speaker 4: poorest families, with the obligation to send children to school.
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  Speaker 4: This started in the.
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  Speaker 3: Government of Fernando Henrique. Fernando Henrique was.
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  Speaker 4: Also a controversial government, but it is a government that
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  Speaker 4: started after the dictatorship, because we had the dictatorship, he
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  Speaker 4: started a more social government. Let's say it was to
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  Speaker 4: stay away from that military legacy that we had for
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  Speaker 4: more than 20 years.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if Pitturante, Solange, Solange Giovannetti, and
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  Speaker 2: that in Sao Paulo he made the journalists, for some reasons,
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  Speaker 2: of Heinz, who now lives in Cormons, in Friuli, you
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  Speaker 2: don't know how much Brazil goes to vote, how much
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  Speaker 2: it returns to vote, because, as you say, in Brazil
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  Speaker 2: you would have to vote to be able to vote,
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  Speaker 2: this will not be specified. It is an important thing,
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  Speaker 2: and also a thing that is provoked by... e tante,
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  Speaker 2: addirittura un 22% che non l'ha votato, quindi a.
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  Speaker 1: Sorrisi è pericolo.
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  Speaker 2: Disinchittante delusione anche di Casbandes là, non è in nome
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  Speaker 2: un discorso Bolsonaro-Lula, ma il discorso è un po' più
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  Speaker 2: ingardeato sulle composizioni sociali del Brasile. Ma avrei l'occasione di
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  Speaker 2: tornare a Fevela. I thank Solange Giovannetti for giving us
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  Speaker 2: a vision of the political debate in Brazil. Thank you
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  Speaker 2: Solange for your participation. Mandi, thank you for coming back
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  Speaker 2: to Fevela. Thank you Mandi.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you Mandi.
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  Speaker 2: Well, then, Solange Giovannetti is with us to talk about Brazil.
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  Speaker 2: It's a moment that is already in the past, it's
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  Speaker 2: a time of divinities, it's a time of divinities, it's
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  Speaker 2: a time of divinities, it's a time of divinities, it's
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  Speaker 2: a time of divinities.
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  Speaker 1: L'argomento di Vue, parkure delle redazioni giornalistiche.