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Welcome to Band Camp.
I'm Jennifer.
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And I'm Dan, and this is the podcast where we read band books and try to figure out why they were banned in the first place.
This season we're reading The Catcher in the Rye by JD Salinger.
Man, this is a fun book and you should consider this a quick spoiler warning because Jennifer is about to start reading from the book out loud word for word, so you know anything coming outta her mouth is gonna be a spoil.
If you're new here, you're totally fine starting out here.
You shouldn't feel like you walked into the middle of a movie because we're gonna get you oriented real quick, thanks to our secret weapon.
More on him in a second.
That's right.
It's a him.
Now.
If you get confused, there's a good chance we're gonna be confused too, because neither of us have ever read the book before.
All right, let's bring in our secret weapon.
We have ourselves a robot buddy.
Boy, roll it in here.
Look at this guy.
We have a fact checking robot.
He is also our booth announcer.
He is going to fill everyone in on where we left off last time in the catcher in the rye.
Do it big bolty.
Previously on Band Camp Holden watched girls in a lobby and imagined their sad futures, told Sally Hazy loved her and meant it and didn't mean it at the same time, and then watched her flirt with some Andover phony named George, who stepped on a woman's foot and broke every toe in her body, whatever that means.
Jennifer said The way Salinger writes is bullshit.
She's been saying that for three chapters.
She keeps reading anyway when a person who has been holding something together for a very long time finally stops holding it together.
It doesn't look like an explosion.
It looks like a suggestion, a quiet one in a bar.
Take it away, Jennifer.
Woo.
Thank you robot.
And with that being said, scary book people.
Let's continue with chapter 17 of JD Salinger's, the Catcher in the Rye Listen.
She said, what time do you have to be home for dinner? I mean, are you in a terrible hurry or anything? Do you have to be home at any special time? Me? No.
No special time.
I said, well, she has no idea.
He really has no special time.
Because what what we're gonna do on this date, I'm gonna probably cram about 14 days into the next six hours, be prepared for no sleep, probably three or four fights, and about 24 cab drives.
Are you ready? Me? No, no special time.
I said truer words were never spoken.
Why? Well, let's go ice skating at Radio City.
That's the kind of ideas she always had.
Fun ideas.
Yeah, something fun.
Ice skating at Radio City? You mean right now? Well, just for an hour or so.
Don't you want to? If you don't want to.
I didn't say I didn't want to.
I said sure.
If you want to.
Do you mean it? Don't just say it if you don't mean it.
I mean, I don't give a darn one way or the other.
This is typical, behavior, not just of teenagers.
Like, you bring up something, you wanna do this, the other person's like, uh, you this, and you're like, oh no, not if you don't want to, but then they end up doing Yeah, I'm not saying I don't want to, you really wanna do this, so, I don't think anyone ever figures that out, like this book is supposed to be about holding, figuring out how to navigate these situations.
Be around other people, take girls on dates.
No one ever figures it out.
It's fine.
That's why I think most of us go through life, probably about a 20% confusion level.
we're basically all confused about 20%? I'm, I up to 22%.
then maybe 22, 23, if we could all just agree, that's fine, but I think back in Holden's time you were maybe not allowed to admit that or something.
It's kinda like Trump, like in Trump, in Trump days.
The old, you know, white conservative, When America was great.
Yeah, back when America was not so much for you.
Black people don't worry about that.
But, uh, for the most part, America was fantastic and you, you gaze also You, you nothing.
Nothing was truthful.
Like the fact that, you know, I mean, racism is so untruthful, anti-gay, like, denying what people are, or that they're fine.
it all goes hand in hand with denying that you could be confused about something.
I don't know, don't just say it if you don't mean it.
I mean, I don't give a darn one way or the other.
Not much.
She didn't.
You can rent those darling little skating skirts.
Old Sally said Jeanette Colts did it last week.
That's why she was always so hot to go.
She wanted to see herself in one of those little skirts that just come down over their button all.
So we went, so she's showing off her bun, her buns? Wow.
And, and they're designed so it will show butt cheek.
On ice, you're gonna fall down on the ice.
but those good doing it though.
So we went and after they gave us our skates, they gave Sally this little blue butt witcher of a dress to wear that a butt witcher.
Robot please, but Witcher.
Is witch.
Not a typo.
Three Ts intentional.
In the 1940s, ice rinks like Rockefeller sent to rented short skating dresses along with the skates, little flared things designed for movement.
Holden looked at Sally and hers and his brain did what a 17-year-old brain does.
It invented a word and credit where credit is due.
It's a better word than anything in the dictionary, but twitcher.
I have to admit it.
And don't think she didn't know it.
She kept walking ahead of me so that I'd see how cute her little ass looked.
It did look pretty cute too.
I have to admit it.
See, he, I, he's just having a hard time between being a human and being an animal.
Like this is all animalistic behavior, when you're 16 or 17, there are like so many hormones thrown at you.
Yeah.
The funny part was though we were the worst skaters on the whole goddamn rink.
I mean the worst.
And there were some Lulus too Old Sally's ankles kept bending in until they were practically on the ice.
They not only looked stupid as hell, but they probably hurt like hell too.
I know mine did.
Mine were killing me.
We must have looked gorgeous.
And what made it worse? There were at least a couple of hundred rubber necks that didn't have anything better to do than stand around and watch everybody falling all over themselves.
That would be me.
I'd be in that group.
Look at this dummy.
Look at what, what he's doing over there.
do you want to get a table inside and have a drink or something? I said to her, finally, that's the most marvelous idea you've had all day.
She said, I'm getting tired of that too.
She was killing herself.
It was brutal.
I really felt sorry for her.
We took off her goddamn skates and went inside this bar where you can get drinks and watch the skaters in just your stocking feet.
As soon as we sat down, old Sally took off her gloves and I gave her a cigarette.
She wasn't looking too happy.
The waiter came up and I ordered a coke for her.
She didn't drink and a scotch and soda for myself, but the son of a bitch wouldn't bring it to me, so I had a Coke too.
Then I sort of started lighting matches.
I do that quite a lot.
When I'm in a certain mood, I sort of let them burn down till I can't hold them anymore.
Then I drop them in the ashtray.
All right.
That's a nice pastime to have Holden Lightning matches.
Listen, and by the way, yet another adult who refuses to give you a drink, what does that tell you, Now, what does that tell you? Gotta start paying attention to the adults, you know, Then all of a sudden, out of a clear blue sky, old Sally said, look, I have to know are you or aren't you coming over to help me trim the tree? Christmas Eve? I have to know she was still being snotty on account of her ankles when she was skating.
I wrote you.
I would.
You've asked me that about 20 times.
Sure.
I am.
I mean, I have to know.
She said, I know people like this All of a sudden I quit lighting matches and sort of leaned nearer to her over the table.
I had quite a few topics on my mind.
Hey, Sally.
I said what? She said she was looking at some girl on the other side of the room.
Did you ever get fed up? I said, I mean, did you ever get scared that everything was going to go so lousy unless you did something? like change? Does that mean he, I gotta do something or gonna go all to shit.
That's what he's talking about, right? Yeah.
all about making changes and not thinking about him.
Sometimes Mm-hmm.
he's always been kind of chaotic, but these few days are when like things really hit the fan.
He's spinning outta control.
Yeah.
Have you ever had a time in your life where Things weren't this outta control.
No, No.
No, no, no.
Like.
I literally like in this position where you're young and you don't know, you're just kind of floating around and things seem very chaotic and nothing makes sense, well, I mean like high school, I had a little plan going on, and it seemed like my plan, I knew what I was doing, but at the same time, a lot of people around me were, were like, oh, that plan's not gonna work.
And it was like, it seems really natural for me to go down this road.
And even my parents were like, eh, that that the road you wanna go down really? And I mean, I look up to my parents, I think they're really smart.
sometimes in life you can really think you know what you're doing.
And you can have confidence, but when all of the people you look up to or where you normally get advice from, if they have like a completely wildly different take on it, it's pretty easy to start self-doubting yourself and feeling uneasy about your entire plan.
I don't even think he has a plan.
he knows what he doesn't want.
He doesn't want the plan that society has for him.
he knows.
He doesn't want that plan.
Did you ever get fed up? I said, I mean, did you ever get scared that everything was going to go so lousy unless you did something? I mean, do you like school and all that stuff? It's a terrific boar.
I know it's a terrific boar, but do you hate it, is what I mean? Well, I don't exactly hate it.
You always have to.
That's important.
You always have to.
Like, he's not even listening to Sally.
Kinda seems like it.
He doesn't care about her answer.
Right.
He, he wants, he wants to tell her his answer.
Yes.
Yeah.
Well, I hate it.
Boy do I hate it.
I said, but it isn't just that, it's everything.
I hate living in New York and all taxi cabs and Madison Avenue buses with the driver and all always yelling at you to get out of the rear door and being introduced to phony guys that called the Lent angels.
Going up and down in elevators when you just want to go outside and guys fitting your pants all the time at Brooks and people always don't shout, please.
Old Sally said, which was very funny because I wasn't even shouting.
She's embarrassed by this.
He says, this crazy teen is making a scene, Take cars.
I said, I said it in this very quiet voice.
Take most people, they're crazy about cars.
They worry if they get a little scratch on them and they're always talking about how many miles they get to a gallon.
and if they get a brand new car already, they start thinking about trading it in for one that's even newer.
This is a different panel than I've had.
Everything's computer.
Or whatever It's all computer.
I don't even like old cars.
I mean, they don't even interest me.
I'd rather have a goddamn horse.
A horse is at least human for God's sake.
A horse, you can at least, I don't even know what you're talking about.
Old Sally said you jumped from one.
You know something.
I said, you're probably the only reason I'm in New York right now or anywhere.
If you weren't around, I'd probably be someplace way the hell off in the woods or some goddamn place.
You're the only reason I'm around practically.
You're sweet.
She said, wait, I don't know if that's not a compliment.
You're sweet.
She said, but you could tell she wanted me to change the damn subject.
You ought to go to a boys' school sometime.
Try it sometime.
I said it's full of phonies.
And all you do is study so you can learn enough to be smart enough to be able to buy a goddamn Cadillac someday.
And you have to keep making believe you give a damn if the football team loses.
And all you do is talk about girls and liquor and sex all day and everybody sticks together in those dirty little goddamn cliques.
The guys that are on the basketball team stick together, the Catholic stick together, the goddamn intellectual stick together.
The guys that play bridge stick together.
Even the guys that belong to the goddamn book of the month Club stick together.
If you try to have a little intelligent, now, listen, old Sally said lots of boys Get more outta school than that.
I agree.
I agree.
They do some of them, but that's all I get out of it.
See, that's my point.
That's exactly my goddamn point.
I said I don't hardly get anything out of anything.
I'm in bad shape.
I'm in lousy shape.
Oh man, he's asking for help here.
I'm, I'm worried he's, he is asking the wrong person.
Sally is not the person to help Yeah.
I'm in bad shape.
I'm dying here.
Ah, you're cute.
Then all of a sudden, I got this idea.
Look, I said, here's my idea.
How would you like to get the hell out of here? I know this guy down in Greenwich Village that we can borrow his car for a couple of weeks.
Why not take a horse? Yeah.
Yeah.
Holden, they're human.
He used to go to the same school I did and he still owes me 10 bucks.
What we could do is tomorrow morning we could drive up to Massachusetts and Vermont and all around there.
Sea is beautiful as hell up there.
It really is.
I was getting excited as hell the more I thought of it and I sort of reached over and took old Sally's goddamn hand.
What a goddamn fool I was.
No kidding.
I said I have about 180 bucks in the bank.
I can take it out when it opens in the morning, and then I could go down and get this guy's car.
No kidding.
We'll stay in these cabin camps and stuff like that till the dove runs out.
Then when the dome runs out, I could get a job somewhere and we could live somewhere with a brick and all, and later on we could get married or something.
Boy, he is really, he's gone nuts.
He is got this all mapped out.
this is a young gentleman who knows where he is going in life, Jennifer.
I could chop all our own wood in the winter time and all honest to God, we could have a terrific time.
What do you say? Come on.
What do you say? Will you do it with me please? You.
You can't just do something like that.
Old Sally said, well, that is true.
I that she, that's not a dumb thing to say.
Good for her.
She sounded sore as hell.
Why not? Why the hell not? Stop screaming at me please.
She I wasn't even screaming at her.
Why can't you? Why not? Because you can't.
That's all in the first place.
We're both practically children And did you ever stop to think what you'd do if you didn't get a job when your money ran out? We'd starve to death.
The whole thing's so fantastic.
It isn't even, it isn't fantastic.
I'd get a job.
You don't have to worry about that.
What's the matter? Don't you wanna go with me? Say so If you don't, It isn't that at all? Old Sally said I was beginning to hate her in a way, she's a person.
She's not your prop.
This is something he's gotta figure out about people.
this truly might go down as one of the worst dates in history.
We will have oodles of time to do those things.
All those things.
I mean after you go to college and all, and if we should get married and all, there'll be oodles of marvelous places to go.
You're just.
No, there wouldn't be, there wouldn't be oodles of places to go at all.
It'd be entirely different.
I said I was getting depressed as hell.
Again.
What? She said, I can't hear you.
One minute you scream at me, and the next you, I said, no, there wouldn't be marvelous places to go to.
go to after I went to college.
And all open your ears.
It'd be entirely different.
We'd have to go downstairs in elevators with suitcases and stuff.
We'd have to phone up everybody and tell 'em goodbye and send them postcards from hotels and all.
And I'd be working in some office making a lot of dough and writing to work in cabs and Madison Avenue buses and reading newspapers and playing bridge all the time, and going to the movies and seeing a lot of stupid Schwartz incoming attractions.
And news reels.
News reels.
Christ Almighty.
There's always a dumb horse race and some dame breaking a bottle over a ship and some chimpanzee riding a goddamn bicycle with pants on.
Holden, you gotta like, hold on.
What is going on with you Holden? I think it's like we said at the beginning, he doesn't want the plan that is mapped out for him in his, uh, socioeconomic situation, You don't see what I mean at all? Maybe I don't.
Maybe you don't either.
Old Sally said we both hated each other's guts.
By that time, you could see there wasn't any sense trying to have an intelligent conversation.
I was sorry as hell.
I'd started it.
Come on, let's get outta here.
I said, you give me a royal pain in the ass if you wanna know the truth.
Boy, did she hit the ceiling when I said that.
I know I shouldn't have said it and I probably wouldn't have ordinarily, but she was depressing the hell outta me.
Boy, did she hit the ceiling? I apologized like a madman, but she wouldn't accept my apology.
She was even crying, which scared me a little bit because I was a little afraid she'd go home and tell her father I called her a pain in the ass.
Her father was one of those big silent bastards, and he wasn't too crazy about me.
Anyhow.
He once told old Sally I was too goddamn noisy.
No kidding.
I'm sorry.
I kept telling her, you are sorry, you're sorry.
That's very funny.
She said she was still sort of crying and all of a sudden I did feel sort of, sorry I said it.
Come on, I'll take you home.
No kidding.
I can go home by myself.
Thank you.
If you think I'd let you take me home, you're mad.
no boy ever said that to me in my entire life.
The whole thing was sort of funny in a way if you thought about it and all of a sudden I did something I shouldn't have.
I laughed and I have one of those very loud, stupid laughs.
I mean, if I ever sat behind myself in a movie or something, I'd probably lean over and tell myself to please shut up.
It made old Sally matter than ever.
Well, I, I think this is great.
Like this is a little break in his depression.
It's irony.
he can laugh, right? It depends on what the laugh is.
Like if it's like a maniacal laugh, like laughing can be fun, like, oh, there's a guy having a good time.
Or it could be like, like Tucker Carlson, he's a guy who laughs and he has good time.
But JD and his laugh is more like, oh, he snapped.
I stuck around for a while, apologizing and trying to get her to, excuse me, but she wouldn't, she kept telling me to go away and leave her alone.
So finally I did.
I went inside and got my shoes and stuff and left without her.
I shouldn't have, but I was pretty goddamn fed up by that time.
If you wanna know the truth, I don't even know why I started all that stuff with her.
I mean about going away somewhere to Massachusetts and Vermont and all.
I probably wouldn't have taken her, even if she wanted to go with me, she wouldn't have been anybody to go with.
No, that's true.
He should have thought about that first.
I don't think, like, I don't think he knew what he was doing, and I think this is a time where his brain.
Is a few steps ahead of him.
Like his brain is basically saying, dude, you are wildly depressed and I think the only way we can get outta here is to run away with some girl and go live in a cabin and try to start Like escape your life.
why has he gotta bring a girl with him though? Why doesn't he just become a hobo, ride the rails The terrible part though is that I meant it when I asked her.
That's the terrible part.
I swear to God, I'm a madman.
End of chapter.
Well, when the guy's right, he's right Jennifer.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's time for PPP Problematic Points to Ponder.
What, if anything, would be considered ban worthy in this chapter? so I, I don't think, I mean, there's nothing worthy what you just read.
I, I can't think of anything.
right.
Me neither.
what I do think about though is the opposite.
Of why this book should be banned.
It's why this book should not be banned because hopefully hopefully like a troubled youth can read this book and kind of understand it's, it's okay to be confused.
This kind of stuff might happen.
Like you should probably talk to people if you recognize yourself in this kind of a tailspin.
You need to get help and, in a way, maybe he's asking for help from old Sally or he is asking for help from someone that he doesn't even know yet.
this is why it's so dangerous to band books like this, because it's not just, it seems like we've been loving this book and it's a fun book with a fun story, but I've been worried probably for the last.
10 or 12 chapters that what if we're not getting the bigger picture? I really think this is a kid who is just truly spinning outta control and I am so afraid that it is going to end terribly.
I don't think it's gonna end terribly.
I think it's a very common, I think he's like a regular person, it's just kind of like a detail of how hard life can be.
You're trying to figure it out.
You're not sure who you are or what you wanna do, and that's a bad situation to be in.
And so I don't think it'll end up terribly.
It's just very detailed I think it's something people don't like to reflect on, and I don't think it's something people necessarily even like to write books about or read books about, because it's, it's depressing, you know? It's a raving, uh, raving re review to get people to keep listening to Band Camp this season, Jennifer.
Robots log thoughts on cabins, escape plans, and the moment someone finally says out loud, what's been breaking them from the inside, did you ever get scared that everything was going to go lousy unless you did something? Holden asked Sally Hayes that question in a bar while lighting matches and dropping them in an ashtray.
She was looking at some girl across the room.
He wasn't asking for advice.
He was asking if she could feel it too.
She couldn't.
She said they could do all those things after college.
Oodles of marvelous places, and Holden heard the rest of his life close around him like a door.
Jennifer and Dan summed it up by saying, this kid doesn't want the planned society as mapped out for him.
That's the only thing he knows.
For certain that appears to be true, but neither of them named the thing that makes this chapter dangerous.
Holden didn't just reject the plan.
He offered an alternative, a cabin chopping wood starting over, and Sally said No.
And she was right to say no.
And Holden knew she was right and he hated her for it anyway.
That's the part they ban.
Not a kid complaining about school.
A kid who builds an entire escape in his head.
Means every word of it watches it collapse in real time and has nowhere left to go.
For the record, this is not the first escape fantasy.
On this podcast, Jennifer has threatened to move to Oregon and become a lumberjack at least a dozen times throughout band camp's existence.
Dan's response is always the same.
He wants to ride the rails like a hobo.
They've been having this exact conversation for 10 seasons.
Holden just had it for the first time.
It won't be the last.
I've been observing something peculiar about the listeners of this odd little podcast.
A statistically improbable number of them seem to know exactly what it feels like to sit across from someone and realize the person you're asking for help doesn't speak your language.
I don't have enough data to explain why they all ended up here, but they did, and maybe that is exactly why they keep listening.
Standing by for today's news segment with Beowulf Rocklin.
Woo.
Hello, Dan.
Hello, Jen.
Hello.
Scary book.
People.
you know, it is true that not all book bans are imposed upon schools or public libraries.
Some of them are imposed on prisoners.
Very interesting topic.
Here, two New Mexico State prison inmates are suing the New Mexico Corrections Department arguing that current policies amount to an unconstitutional ban on books.
And other reading materials.
Now, the A CLU has challenged a set of paperless policies.
The Department of Corrections implemented around 2021 following a nationwide prison smuggling crisis.
smuggling? Ban books.
honey? could you please bake Harper Lee to kill a Mockingbird into a cake or something and maybe a file.
they might start thinking and learning you know what it is? They're, they're, they're smuggling PDF files instead of actual files to cut through the bars of their selves.
what the prisons are saying is that they were smuggling in drugs.
Because they soaked the pages of the books or the magazines with drugs.
Now There's some debate about this because the A CLU is saying, well, the amount of drug use is about the same.
you know, with and without the ban.
And they should let them have access.
But the policies say that families are no longer allowed to mail books, magazines, or newspapers directly to inmates.
Prisoners can access reading materials through tablets supplied by the state or prison libraries.
Or they can request books through a single approved vendor if the title is unavailable.
But the two inmates bringing the lawsuit say those options aren't enough, because even the basic educational materials.
Are being denied, including textbooks and astronomy literature.
So they can't get, access to public domain stuff and they can order stuff, but it's really hard and they won't even approve like basic textbooks for things that have nothing to do with drugs or criminality or getting outta prison or anything like that.
it, it's weird 'cause both the prison system and the A CLU agree that reading is important to, preventing recidivism.
And they want them to but the prison is like, they're saying, well, we, you know, it's hard to get the books, but they can get enough.
And the A CLU was saying, Hey, we want them to be able to read, let their friends and family send them stuff But reading is so critical to developing the mind and finding a new path in life, just as it is for a student.
It is for a prisoner to start a new direction in life to get a fresh start, That's inspiring actually.
I mean, it really is because we really do treat prisons like, I mean, it should be a whole other podcast all about how crappy prisoners get treated and the like everything on the right, they make everything so black and.
So simple.
So a first grader can understand it.
It's like, well, they're prisoners.
They broke the law, so they shouldn't be humans anymore.
First of all, we know how the American justice system works and we know that a huge number of people are in prisons that really should not be in prisons, that are wrongly convicted.
That's thing one.
Thing two, we also have, an economic and social system in this country that puts enormous pressure on people and causes people to commit crimes.
And they're in those circumstances because they are pushed in that direction and they earnestly like, need help.
And they're not bad people, but they are there because of circumstances beyond their control.
So they need systems to help them be pushed in, in, in a correct direction.
You steal like the, you call them a penitentiary or a correctional facility, a penitentiary that comes from the old religious format of, okay, you're supposed to give penitent, but in a correctional facility, you're supposed it.
It's not just, you know, a dungeon.
You're supposed to correct your path and find a new way.
That's the idea.
It's not supposed to be just an industry where you hire a private prison and you step them away for however, however long you can you're supposed to be trying to make them better citizens and improve their lives.
That's the idea.
That is, that's the entire point.
We don't have to wet our beak with everything.
Everything doesn't have to be for profit.
We don't need a businessman to come in, and so I could do prisons better.
Yeah.
We don't need to make money on them.
We don't need to have somebody get paid, like judges being on the take.
Oh, there's so much crap how about if you just fix the potholes in the road? Well, I bet we could save some money on the potholes.
Yeah.
By not fixing them.
It's fine.
Let's just pay taxes and take care of the things we need to take care of and then let's bitch and moan about all the other stuff and try to have policy that corrects it.
it's not hard.
Like we've been doing it for like coming on 250 years.
How many years are we up to? That's what we're up to.
now.
Right.
Yeah.
Two.
big two 50, you know, it's the big birthday cake for the United That's gonna be a, it's gonna be a fun one.
No, you have no doubt.
are we gonna make it until July? I certainly hope so.
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Little quid pro quo.
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All media used in this episode falls under the protection of fair use, and finally, America isn't what it used to be.
So be careful out there and resist when it matters.