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January 15 Court Hearings: Judge Boyd, Simpson, Middleton + More | TCF Podcast #211 · The Courtroom Files

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  We're back. Good morning everybody.
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  Happy Thursday. Welcome to the courtroom files
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  Will keep The Showdown for long. Apologies for yesterday, but we
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  This is our good friend hoarder, man.
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  Well, thank you waive your right to a lawyer.
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  Please tell me Please tell me. Please tell me.
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  That there's been substantial progress on the property.
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  I'm talking to the prosecutorial somebody.
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  To photos from the street on Thursday shows.
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  He got a large delivery boy, that is now along the side and
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  you have those photos if you want to see looking at it.
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  It does. And you see that the trailer in
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  the back of the property is full Mr. Boy did say that at school,
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  I just needs to be cycled out. He's working on it, he has not
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  changed, he demolition coming out for that dangerous.
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  Building back. It I want to do with you.
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  I don't know it's good for so I'm waiting in.
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  I can't get the trailer out because the guy went up deer
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  hunting and ended up North with a boss working on this Travers
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  Kevin who's triggers but he was trailer.
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  Is that exhaust? Yeah.
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  Wait a minute. So it's being used as a
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  dumpster, the trailer, the doctor, Okay, downstairs.
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  You can see in some of the photos.
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  Yes. And that is full.
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  They're still all the trailers being used and storage
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  essentially gone free. What do you do with the boat?
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  Trying to how long you hit that up for sale.
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  Well, it's another one. No, I didn't ask you that.
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  I just want to know. Can I go?
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  Can I have another page second page to read and so, I think
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  it's better that September October, you know.
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  Any benefits to really good. All right, so talk to me.
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  Not to her. You smell with me.
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  I'm just November, will include it out.
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  I mean he does look a little better.
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  I'll give you that. But you still got to get the
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  bolt out and you got to get the yeah.
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  The garage torn down, I've had the flu since.
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  Personally, what's in the trailer?
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  I believe that is your boy is taken property out of the garage
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  and that's upstairs. Well, no, but there's a trailer.
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  This is this down a trailer. This black, it looks like a
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  Black trailer. On the property they're just
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  full of excuse. My language John.
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  So those need to go, you can't restore it like that.
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  When you gonna get rid of the junk in the trailer, a lot of it
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  and go. What's in the trade?
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  Uh, Tools. And put my rototiller in here.
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  My lawn mower in. Tools.
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  Yeah, one more. What else?
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  On. Is it filled up?
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  You know. What else do you have in the
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  chair? Now, I got some kitchen
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  cabinets. Good.
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  I gotta put up. One.
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  You're gonna put them where we're going to put up in the
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  kitchen. How long have you had the the
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  cabinets in the trailer? November.
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  December. Where did you get the cameras?
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  Oh my God. She remover kitchen.
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  And they're all hand, they cannot.
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  They were too dark. He wants what?
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  Who's going to take the dumpster out of there and take it to the
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  dump, the man at the moment. I rented it. 400 wolf of shot.
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  Is it filled up yet? Yeah, but when she coming,
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  when's he gonna come get there? I'm gonna call him today, if
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  you'd be back in town. What about the other inoperable
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  vehicles? You're not applicable.
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  Got a broken shock. I got to put it into the The
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  exactly. These are the same Vehicles been
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  sitting up. Hey, are you with the trailers?
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  Those of you? What you're gonna make me do.
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  Mr. Boyd, I really Mr. Boy, come, I got to work on a garage.
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  A second, you know. Well, that's your opinion.
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  That's not my opinion. One thing like that at a time,
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  Mr. Boy. Mr. Boy.
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  I'm gonna let the prosecutor remind you, how long they've
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  been dealing with this with your property.
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  Yeah, I believe he's education state.
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  That was 2000. So so it's only been 25 years.
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  I didn't know Mr. Boyd. I don't know why you're not
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  good. Why?
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  I don't know why you're just insisting that I send you to
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  jail. I don't understand it.
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  Can't do anything. You know, Mr. Boyd.
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  You're not doing anything out of jail, either.
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  Can't do anything, Mr. Boy, this has been 25 years. 25 years,
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  sir. I was young.
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  I'd like to go back 25 years. So my early forties 25 years
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  ago, nobody coming to talk to me.
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  Except for the guy that we retired now.
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  What year did he come? And talk to you?
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  If you pour official what year was that?
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  She left here 25 so you're saying you didn't know anything
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  about this until 24. The Starship has been bothering
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  you to get this. Junkyard picked up sir sir.
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  Sir I'm asking you when you're first notice was from the
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  township that you had a Blake condition.
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  They wanted things out of their what he called it like and she
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  sure When did you hear from this Township in reference to the
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  condition of your property from 24?
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  So you so you guys are off by 23 years.
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  She thinks it was a one. You think it was 24?
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  That's one big difference. Now, I hear a lot about opposite
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  stories here. Some people call it won.
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  Some people, call it a million. I hear different stories, but
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  that's quite a disparity that's 23 years, not 23 days.
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  Not 23 weeks. 24. Which would you look on the
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  computer? Please for me.
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  Can you pull up Mr? Boyd stink.
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  Please. I like you.
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  I do. She's but I have a job.
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  Well, I gotta get you're not following orders of the Court.
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  Nothing. I could do.
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  It being sick, Mr. Boyd, you give me every excuse under the
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  sun. Go to the bathroom.
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  Well let me see here. I see Robert.
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  Thomas Boyd, allow inoperable Vehicles 2002, Improper storage
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  2003. There's other ones that were set
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  aside under a statute building code violation 24.
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  So they were dating back to. I don't know why they let go
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  from all three to 24 if that's what they did.
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  But You've had since April of 25 to get rid of this stuff.
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  And I don't know what to do with the other than just lock you up
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  there. Boy, I've had every excuse Under
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  the Sun from you. I don't follow me on this case.
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  I have had every excuse on the song.
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  You're sick. Your boys won't help.
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  They're too busy. You, you don't have the money.
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  You got to go to work. It's to warm.
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  It's too cold. It's to this.
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  It's to that. Here, I am trying not to send
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  you to jail and knowing when I don't send you to jail.
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  That, I'm not handling my office appropriately.
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  You know, that? That's what I'm doing.
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  I'm not handling. I'm not I'm not I'm not.
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  I'm just not following what I should do, and what I do do. so
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  basically somehow someway a treated, you better than I treat
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  anybody else. Okay, well, I'm not but I don't
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  want to treat you better. I feel sorry for you.
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  I'm trying to help you. I'm trying to reason with you
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  when you're not taking any reason.
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  You're just not going to listen to judges.
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  You just don't, I don't know if you think.
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  I'm kidding up here. I've got two trailers falling
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  down there already. To go straight.
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  I'm you gotta get rushed. You gotta get the trailers up.
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  The dumpsters you got to get the junk out of the trailer.
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  You got to make sure that your vehicles are operable.
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  Not inoperable. And they properly played it.
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  No, they're not properly. Played it either way.
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  They are and they're insured. Why did the township wait so
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  long that they would deal with this in 02 and 3 like well what
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  took them 21 years to start? It wasn't that like that and let
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  me talk to her. I was talking to her, I wasn't
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  talking to you. Why did they wait so long?
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  And you know that handle for the township all known as kids.
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  Are you gonna deny that too? What?
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  She just told me that multiple civil Municipal civil and
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  freshens, which would not have been filed.
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  Here, were issued to you many times between 03 and 24.
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  Is that true? Or is that false?
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  I had. True false just give me a
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  straight answer, please. I don't want to be able to be a
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  dentist today. I just don't Is that true or
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  false? Well, it's not that song.
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  Did they send you certain Municipal School?
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  Fractions are not. It is simple.
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  Let's art about that. It's either.
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  Yes or it's. No in 2003.
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  I had two cars in my yard Mr. Mr. Boyd I'm just asking you a
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  simple question. Between 2000 and 2000. 2024 did
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  this Township send you Municipal civil infraction violations or
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  did they not? Another word.
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  Did she lying to me? Is she lying to me?
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  I wouldn't think so. Okay, so she did.
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  So they did send, you know, this is Right.
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  But I have right, right? Or not.
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  Please tell me if I'm right. I'm gonna get agitated.
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  If you keep playing with me. Did they send them to your or
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  not? They don't know, you don't know.
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  My ex-wife picked up the mail. Oh my gosh.
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  You know what? I want to do to that?
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  That's what I want to do today. That's ridiculous.
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  You didn't like me too much. Boy.
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  You got two months to get everything taken care of.
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  I'm gonna give you one last chance.
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  This is not a threat. This is a promise.
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  I'm going to Journey the review here.
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  And you've got to get the, you got to do this.
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  This is not a request. This is not a suggestion.
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  I'm not asking me anymore. I'm telling you.
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  This is what you're going to do. We understand one another?
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  Yes. The last thing I want to do is
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  put you in jail. But I'm gonna do it.
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  If you don't have it, the property cleaned up, like, I
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  told you multiple times. Give me a date in the end of
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  March Heather. We could do March 25th, judge,
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  March, 25th at 8:30 in the morning.
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  You want to take your right? Did you have something set?
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  Briefly know. That he said that he doesn't
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  need her. Yeah, that he had one person
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  before but I think this is a much larger problem.
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  Oh help you Pastor, if I have to have somewhere to put it up then
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  tailor in my yard that don't trailer is full.
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  That guy's been away for six months, we'll tell them the come
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  and get it. I did listen to me.
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  He's probably gonna help that the townships offering you.
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  There's going to be no excuses next time.
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  You understand? You do what you got to do, but
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  I'm telling you right now. You've been in funny on a
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  multitude of occasions on this case and I'm telling you, if you
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  don't have that property, cleaned up to my satisfaction in
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  a compliance with the orders that I issued.
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  Previously, I'm giving you the other remaining days, whatever
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  they are. Do you understand me?
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  Take your photographs back please.
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  You can keep these and you can mark down what day they were
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  taped and so you can bring them next time and have updated
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  photos. Thank you very much.
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  Go down the hall. Get your notice, sir.
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  Good luck. I'm telling you I'm not gonna do
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  this again. Marcus Ladell Allen.
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  Appreciate that. That was the way back machine.
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  That was Herman from yesterday. When unfortunately, we weren't
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  be able to be online because of tech issues, which we appear to
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  have solved, which is just super duper great because I hate
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  missing days with you guys. So I have deep thoughts on this
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  whole order man's situation and I would like your thoughts as
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  well but we're gonna save it for the fourth hour so when we get
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  to TCF over time, one of the things will talk about is
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  hoarder man. So let's get out of the way back
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  machine and back into today's action, let's go to Georgia.
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  This is Judge, law and position, 45 and just got duplicated on
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  the calendar. It's the same as 44.
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  Okay, so I'm just gonna cross up position 45, all right?
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  So there is Parks, has got two matters before the court.
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  It is case, 26 CR, 031 D in which he is accused of Criminal
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  Trespass, public drunk and a PR charge.
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  And he's got a second case, 25 CR 6861 D for Criminal Trespass.
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  The first case is from a January 1st 2026 incident, the second
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  case is from a January 2nd, 2026, incident Mr. Parks, even
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  advised to be a rights and your attorney is Miss Tucker.
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  Miss Tucker. Is this going to be a Well, how
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  we gonna proceed? It'll be a negotiated, all
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  right, thank you, Mr. Parks, please raise your right hand.
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  Do you solemnly swear in a film? The testimony you provide will
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  be the proof to the best of her knowledge.
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  I can't hear you. Will set a yes or no?
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  All right, you'll need to speak up.
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  I think the mic may be a little further away from you.
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  Okay Mr. Scirocco. What is the recommendation for
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  both these cases? Mr. Poor position 43 on Criminal
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  Trespass, public drunk, and the Pea, which are counts.
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  One through three respectively on count one. 12 months
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  probation. Concurrent with count three stay
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  away from all Marta, premises in property, count to 12 months,
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  probation concur with count, three adept, Count three, 12
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  months, or 28 days. Credit for time, served balance
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  probated Sdet as well as 60 hours community service.
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  And as for position, 44, the criminal trespass, 12 months
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  probation, concurrent with position 43, stay away from
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  Azalea Fresh Market at 25 Peachtree, Street Northwest in
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  Atlanta. We would ask that defense
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  stipulate the factual basis venue and ID for purposes of The
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  Plea that is all for the state. We are fine with non-reporting
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  upon completion of the terms. Donna, we do so stupidly, but
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  the purpose of the police and we would also request number.
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  Oh, let me see. I have a pre-trial officer on
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  Zoom, please astalgia. I just wanted to know how many
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  cycles, Mr. Derry's Parks has, I see that other than these two
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  cases his last book in at Fulton County was 2414 to see if any of
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  the maths in the jurisdiction's Um, There are 16 Cycles in total
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  as far as convictions. There's a 2010 out of Fulton,
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  you just want to know how to Fulton.
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  Okay. Does he have any probation
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  matters of recently in the last five years?
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  No, no, your honor. Okay, yeah.
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  Okay, yes, Ms. Tucker. I will accept non-reporting
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  once. He has completed all the
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  programs that he's required to do and his probation fees up to
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  date, and he hasn't been arrested while on probation.
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  Thank you. Mr. Parks, have you consumed any
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  medicine or alcohol recently? And have you understood what's
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  going on in both your cases? Yes.
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  And are you satisfied with your attorney?
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  Yes. And has your attorney explained,
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  to you that if you plead guilty to these charges, you'll be
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  required to report to probation every month and a complete, the
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  conditions that are required. Yes.
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  All right, and after she has she also explained that if you enter
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  this plea, you would have. Can you hear me?
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  All right, okay, if you entered this please, you would have to
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  give up your right to a trial in a court of law, you will not be
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  able to go back to face a judge or a jury.
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  To, with respect to these cases, you won't be able to confront
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  your accuser challenge. The evidence brought against you
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  present your defenses and arguments, and the state won't
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  have to prove the charges against you beyond A Reasonable
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  Doubt. Are you prepared to give up
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  these rights? Are you prepared to give up
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  these rights? How do you pleat to Criminal
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  Trespass at the Azalea Fresh Market on October 31st, 2025 How
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  do you plead to Criminal Trespass, public drunk, and a PR
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  charge from a January 1st, 2026 incident?
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  Yield. For position, 43, count 1,
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  Criminal Trespass. The sentence is going to be 12
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  months to serve 28 days credit for time.
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  So 14 days to stay away from all modern property in accordance
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  with any and all active suspensions.
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  That includes the stations, the buses and the trains.
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  For the public drunk charge, that's going to be 12 months
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  concurrent with count three and he'll be required to undergo an
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  alcohol and drug evaluation, and submit to any treatment that's
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  required. And this must be done within the
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  first 30 days of being released. With regards to the pi charge is
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  going to be 12 months to serve 28 days credit for time.
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  So 14 days, balance probated He will report to probation on
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  Monday before 3 p.m. and within a 90 days of being on probation,
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  he will enroll in an SD program and submit to all evaluation and
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  treatment that's required. He will also complete 60 hours
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  of voluntary community service at any non-profit agency, and
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  that, and it cannot be a church, and he cannot be a school.
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  And he must complete his community service at a minimum
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  rate of 10 hours per month. Beginning with the first month,
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  With regards to the second case, this will be a concurrent
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  sentence. And it's 12 months to serve 28
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  days credit for time. So, 14 days to stay, 200 yards
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  away from the Azalea Fresh Market at 25 Peachtree.
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  Street in Northwest Atlanta, he will report to probation every
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  month be current with his probation fees.
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  And once he has completed all the programs, the community
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  service and he has not committed any violations of Probation and
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  is current with this probation fees then and only then will his
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  probation be non-reporting thank you.
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  Thank you, before we proceed to the next matter.
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  Could I just inquire All right, friends.
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  Let's, we're gonna go back to judgment McNally, but this time
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  in real time, not in the way back machine, this is what's
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  currently going on. People 500 dollar, personal
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  Bond, You're going to go sign in out there, he's gonna take this
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  file to the prosecutor. Prosecutor will come get, you,
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  they'll talk to you Bond conditions, if we don't resolve
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  it today or otherwise, you cannot leave the state without
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  the consent of the Court. You cannot violate a law, you
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  can just appearances directed, you understand all that any
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  questions? All right, good luck to you
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  people against. And either way, you're coming
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  back in front of me, Daniel Curtis Giles here.
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  Two five T. Six four six.
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  Oh five three eight and B. I'm gonna need to prosecutor on
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  this people, nine. It.
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  Can you? Come on in here please?
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  Thank you. All right.
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  Warrior. Good morning your appearance.
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  Tim gamble, p, 78192 and we have Mr. Giles, it's also a president
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  sure, your name. So I need to set this for trial.
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  I need myself a note if it didn't resolve last.
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  So we've had one, two, three. pre-trials, this is the Sea.
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  We had one November 20, December 8th, January 15th.
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  This I this is the only night. I'm setting it for trial, I'll
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  give you understand, right? I just want to make sure that
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  there are some still Mr. Bologna your name.
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  You like what? They're still?
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  What they're still some Discovery issues that I need
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  issue. Some subpoenas for hospital,
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  records, try to find the identity of security guards and
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  see if there's any video from within the hospital.
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  So I would just Text.
• 26:52
  Heather. Hey, okay.
• 26:55
  I think we just did one yesterday judge on the 20th.
• 27:00
  Who's that with again, that one was that carry Moran?
• 27:08
  That what? Harry Moran.
• 27:10
  She was that case from 2016. She zoomed in yesterday.
• 27:14
  I said this one for that day, too.
• 27:17
  February the 20th. It 8:30, I'm gonna need the jury
• 27:21
  instructions and I'm going to need you to fill everything out.
• 27:24
  Like, I just have to read a mister balloon.
• 27:27
  Okay, so, jury instructions, due by January 16th, we'll set a
• 27:33
  final. I'm Sorry by February 16th.
• 27:36
  We'll start promptly at 8:30, on February 2008, on the first
• 27:43
  February. okay, that will be February 12th.
• 27:50
  That's a little late, isn't that?
• 27:52
  I don't want to go that way. We don't want to have to send
• 27:54
  out notices right on the 29th of January 29th at 8:30.
• 28:02
  That's the final preach vinyl preach where final preacher will
• 28:06
  be January 8th. I'm sorry, give me one second.
• 28:12
  Jury trial will be February. 20th through final pretrial will
• 28:18
  be January 29th of the third jury instructions do.
• 28:24
  February the 16th at 8:30, the only concern I have with that
• 28:29
  schedule is that it's two weeks, going to be enough, time for me,
• 28:32
  disappear documents, and subpoena, and visuals, identity
• 28:36
  stuff. Should you know, they mentioned
• 28:41
  Witnesses but there's no names for I've got to go track that
• 28:45
  down. I don't know what I, I got to
• 28:51
  move this case and I'm just saying, I just would like if I
• 28:54
  get the free trial date. I mean, it seems like I'm not
• 28:57
  getting a jury trial date and having them send out noises.
• 29:03
  To the public. And then having them take off
• 29:07
  work and cancel Vacations, or will get babysitters.
• 29:11
  Only they have the case. So to me, if it doesn't settle
• 29:15
  on February, I'm sorry, January 29th, we're going to go.
• 29:19
  I mean, I don't know what to tell you.
• 29:22
  It's been it's I arranged him on November 6th, right?
• 29:25
  And I was on this case and just summary December 8th, you were
• 29:29
  on the case, whatever age. So I believe, I think that's
• 29:33
  what I saw. That seems legitimate.
• 29:35
  Uh, again, if I could serve as a painting, you know, today, Well,
• 29:41
  I don't know what you do. You know what he's talking
• 29:43
  about. Mr. Bologna, believe there's an
• 29:45
  identified persons that work at the hospital, but he wants to
• 29:48
  figure out who they are in the police report.
• 29:50
  Was this this incident occur at the hospital?
• 29:57
  Well, you got what else to tell you?
• 30:03
  I am not going to join it again. We go one more week.
• 30:07
  We got I only have Trenton every other week.
• 30:10
  So there's nothing for me, but everywhere for free I don't have
• 30:14
  it. I have Trenton every other week.
• 30:19
  I mean. And you're right, you see what I
• 30:23
  can do? But I mean, I don't know how
• 30:25
  long it's going to take them to respond with Sophia, you know,
• 30:27
  that's all I can do. Is you pin him to the courthouse
• 30:31
  on, January 29th? The records keeper.
• 30:35
  Feel free and then Mr. Bologna will have an opportunity to get
• 30:38
  the records as well. We've had as the free trial
• 30:40
  8:30. Okay, have a good day gentlemen.
• 30:45
  Thank you, Aaron Arthur. Lenz 25g, 306, 815 Morning, Mr.
• 30:59
  Lens. I mean I don't have another
• 31:04
  date, right? Heather after the 29th, right?
• 31:08
  Correct judge. It's that one that was too
• 31:09
  close. To the jury.
• 31:12
  Hey, all right, your name Sir. Eric you not with the Department
• 31:17
  rep and you're going to plead to impeding track.
• 31:19
  True. Yeah, I got to send this to him.
• 31:27
  Back to Gibraltar John, I need to see.
• 31:32
  What was an accident? The alcohol don't.
• 31:39
  Have a seat right behind me. If you would Dale Thomas, you
• 31:41
  five G. Three.
• 31:42
  Oh six seven. Oh one.
• 31:49
  Your name. Sure.
• 31:50
  Good morning to you sir. You're going, pleading traffic,
• 31:54
  right? So that charge responsible or
• 31:56
  not responsible. Okay, I'll accept the plea 150
• 32:01
  dollars. You can go down the hall and
• 32:03
  make your payment, okay? Have a great day.
• 32:07
  Recalling Aaron. Archery lens 25g. 306 815.
• 32:13
  Your name sir. Sorry was that your name sir?
• 32:18
  Eric was their injuries, no injuries very, very minor
• 32:22
  Advantage. Write that down on that document
• 32:24
  and will you please? I'm sorry on the step one.
• 32:29
  So you're gonna plead responsible to this competing,
• 32:33
  right? Yes.
• 32:34
  You're gonna slow down and be careful, right?
• 32:37
  Yes, because she had an accident back in May of 2 0 5.
• 32:46
  Hazardous action, over 16. He said what?
• 32:52
  Three accidents and seven eight months right, six months.
• 32:56
  Yeah. Be careful.
• 33:00
  Okay, please. Can you charge your impeding
• 33:03
  traffic? The sponsored or not
• 33:05
  responsible? All right, I'll accept the plea
• 33:09
  dismissed, the original charge, 25 years old.
• 33:11
  She went to the Halls here, right?
• 33:13
  Okay, thank you. Amelia Marie, gieringer
• 33:16
  25306780. Stepping.
• 33:27
  Good morning, ma'am. Your name.
• 33:30
  All right, you're going to plead to improve, right?
• 33:33
  Responsible or not responsible to this church.
• 33:39
  Okay, I'm going to accept your plea.
• 33:41
  I'll just dismiss the speeding. And 160 dollars and you're all
• 33:47
  set. Have a nice day.
• 33:48
  Good luck. Wesley, Mark Sullivan and Wesley
• 33:52
  with the podium. 252647066, Heather, tell Amy Mr. Wesley's
• 34:01
  here please. Good morning.
• 34:02
  How you doing? You're charged with state.
• 34:07
  Your name blessing. You sure as with fraudulent
• 34:10
  false information, and you have the right to an attorney.
• 34:13
  Would you like an attorney, okay?
• 34:16
  We'll set you up with a lawyer and then either way, you're
• 34:19
  coming back in here. Okay, sure if I saw that I have
• 34:24
  insurance and what you're going to talk across here your lawyer
• 34:28
  will, okay? Just seeing always He believes
• 34:35
  times Zachary. Ryan Hines Q5 G, 306737.
• 34:40
  And B. Good morning, Mr. Zola.
• 34:42
  You are with the Dentistry Hines judge.
• 34:51
  We need a shorter German, he's going to get into sobriety
• 34:54
  Court, it will be a transportation is because of
• 34:56
  where he lives Taylor said, they would accept it.
• 34:59
  I don't know if you all about them transfers, if you don't,
• 35:01
  then they'll cooperate here. But this is the second, your
• 35:04
  honor. He's a CDL driver with the city
• 35:06
  of Ypsilanti his licenses over, but because of alcoholism and
• 35:11
  other health issues, he's going to apply for family, medical
• 35:13
  leave and get it to the Sprite and corporate.
• 35:15
  There is a transportation problem getting here living
• 35:18
  Beltway, right? Yes.
• 35:19
  So he won't have a license for some time and I don't pull up.
• 35:26
  And if you go come here judges I'd rather have him come here to
• 35:30
  be on us but that's fine. I mean I I'll tell you what let
• 35:33
  me think about it, all the journeys to the 29th at 8:30 and
• 35:39
  Let me think about it, it just think if it's if it's at a court
• 35:43
  that has a sobriety court, is we do?
• 35:46
  You know, if at all possible, he should do it here.
• 35:49
  I mean, judge shackleford's got her.
• 35:52
  You know, she's got her hands full over there with how many
• 35:54
  she has, you know what I'm saying?
• 35:56
  And I explained it Mr. Hines, it was just an inquiry because of
• 35:59
  accommodation, but let me think about it.
• 36:02
  We give us 7 people at handle Transportation, if you need to
• 36:07
  get here, okay? Let's let's say Okay, January
• 36:11
  29th, 8:30, and if you want to bring it up again I don't have a
• 36:14
  problem. Thank you just so you know that
• 36:17
  the purpose is to apply for know.
• 36:18
  I get it. I get it.
• 36:20
  Okay. Does he need to see the people
• 36:22
  here? Again, he met with him watch.
• 36:23
  No, no, it just next time. We should decide either is or
• 36:28
  isn't and if he is great, if you okay, good morning with working,
• 36:35
  whilst he plays the CDL history, right?
• 36:39
  I got it. Thank you.
• 36:42
  All right, have a good day. Be safe out there.
• 36:44
  Mr. Zone. You can YouTube Mr. Hines, thank
• 36:47
  you. Kenneth seems McKay Jr.
• 36:49
  Good morning, once again, everybody.
• 36:51
  The sun is starting to rise here at the TCF bunker.
• 36:54
  I hope you all are having a great morning, wherever You are.
• 36:57
  Let's change it up. Go to Florida.
• 37:00
  Wade, Mercer. Contract you.
• 37:02
  Good morning, sir. You're here for first
• 37:03
  appearance, accused of one, count of driving on the
• 37:05
  influence, where the blood alcohol level of 0.15 or higher.
• 37:08
  So, there is probable cause in the complaint, your wife and a
• 37:13
  couple of family friends are in the courtroom on your behalf and
• 37:17
  I'm about to address your bond or your release status.
• 37:19
  This is a bond request or Mr. McDaniels that, right?
• 37:22
  Yes, sir. Anything else, Mr. Daniel on
• 37:25
  behalf of Mr. Contract, you, yeah, he's disabled.
• 37:29
  He gets disability check from, you know, he was ugly owns a
• 37:34
  house, don't think he has much. Come on, History.
• 37:36
  Maybe DUI leaves a minor 20 years ago, maybe, um, so, you
• 37:43
  know, I like he's gonna have to, you know, I was talking to the
• 37:47
  Miss Colbert and he's got to get a referral done through VA and I
• 37:51
  don't think they don't come back here.
• 37:53
  I think he's gonna driveway there.
• 38:03
  You know almost tracked. The criminal history, I've got
• 38:11
  shows, four or five prior arrests in the state of
• 38:13
  Kentucky. Most recently in 2018 for
• 38:17
  possession of paraphernalia. Mr. Kondracki, do I have the
• 38:20
  right criminal history? Or is that someone else?
• 38:23
  Sound record? That sounds accurate.
• 38:25
  Okay. So what happened with the
• 38:27
  methamphetamine charge in 18, how was it?
• 38:30
  How was it? Not?
• 38:30
  I'm asking what happened in the charge.
• 38:32
  I'm asking you? How was it resolved?
• 38:34
  Was it dismissed, was there this relation?
• 38:37
  It was dismissed, was this, was there any kind of supervision
• 38:41
  imposed before the dismissal? And he kind of counseling or
• 38:43
  anything? No, serious.
• 38:45
  Dismissed in the courtroom father.
• 38:47
  Okay, okay. I do see a prior DUI.
• 38:51
  Also in Kentucky in 2017, and it looks like a prior, see that was
• 38:57
  in. 1210, at least a charge. and then, Next, there was another
• 39:08
  prior to you, I charge and June of 17 in Kentucky.
• 39:14
  So that's what the criminal history is showing.
• 39:17
  It's not showing convictions that just shows the charge
• 39:19
  without showing any dispositions.
• 39:20
  Let me see if the state has additional information Mr.
• 39:24
  Mitchell anything. We just request that as a
• 39:27
  condition of his bond. He not possess or consume
• 39:29
  alcoholic beverages Mr. Contract, you based upon your
• 39:33
  criminal history, I'm gonna set your bond at 3500 dollars cash
• 39:35
  or Surety. You have a condition not the
• 39:38
  possession of consume alcohol at all because this is allegedly
• 39:41
  your future of an alcohol-related DUI.
• 39:42
  You've got that condition that you cannot possess or consume
• 39:45
  alcohol if there's information or reliable information that you
• 39:48
  are possessing or consuming alcohol that would violate the
• 39:52
  condition of your bond and you would go to jail or you could go
• 39:54
  to jail with no bond. It's a cashier.
• 39:57
  You that means you can go through a boss and if you wish
• 39:59
  you all. So, have the right and option of
• 40:02
  putting up the whole amount if you wish.
• 40:04
  Let me see first. If you if your wife has any
• 40:06
  questions. And we'll see if you have any
• 40:07
  man. Do you have any questions?
• 40:08
  No questions, Mr. Contract, you have any questions?
• 40:12
  I do not you'll get you the following shortly.
• 40:15
  Sure, if you post the ball and you'll be released.
• 40:16
  I'm also going to ask the jail to give you a notice for your
• 40:18
  court date. Let me be the second.
• 40:21
  Yes, February 2nd at 9 a.m. will be your court date.
• 40:24
  The jail will give you that notice after first appearance,
• 40:27
  wish you the best sir, any questions at, all right, we
• 40:31
  should have the best sir. Telling, what is that cuddle for
• 40:34
  the second? Yeah, in which case is Tony
• 40:38
  route. Tony route.
• 41:18
  Michelle you're here for first appearance to use a one kind of
• 41:21
  possession, drug paraphernalia Ms. Route there is probably cost
• 41:24
  for this charge. I've looked mature extensive
• 41:28
  criminal history, Mr. Routes. I'm aware of your criminal
• 41:30
  history. I think you're entitled to bond
• 41:32
  as far as I can tell. But I'm listening to the Chinese
• 41:34
  before I make that decision. Mr. McDaniel.
• 41:36
  Anything on behalf of Mr. Rouse. Mr. Mitchell, we just requested
• 41:41
  to be subjected to random UA's, Mister route.
• 41:44
  Looks like you've been to. I think I made a note in the
• 41:48
  Department. Corrections, four times been in
• 41:49
  prison. Four times, is that right?
• 41:50
  Mr? Out.
• 41:52
  Yes, sir. Okay, it's almost set your bond
• 41:54
  at 5,000 dollars cash or surely Mr. Route with a condition
• 41:58
  randomly or analysis, you have the right to post a bond cash or
• 42:02
  surely means you can put up all the money or you can go through
• 42:04
  a bondsman that's entirely up to you.
• 42:06
  Some places, call that a professional Bond, it's the same
• 42:08
  thing. Mister route, you do have that
• 42:11
  condition random or analysis requested by the state.
• 42:14
  And that means you can be drug tested.
• 42:16
  At any time, you have anything in your system that you don't
• 42:18
  have a valid prescription for then, that would violate the
• 42:21
  conditions of your bond. You could go to jail with no
• 42:23
  bond Mr. Rally to give you a notice for your court date,
• 42:26
  that's going to be February 3rd at 8:30 in front of Judge Garcia
• 42:29
  and Mr. Route. You will get to use the phone
• 42:32
  and just a few minutes or to try to post that Bond, Mr. Route.
• 42:34
  Do you have any questions? Yes, sir.
• 42:37
  Which I thought this was a felony but you're right.
• 42:44
  It's this is the meanest would be February 2nd, not February
• 42:46
  3rd. I was, I was giving you the
• 42:48
  felony Court Davis. Actually the Misdemeanor Court
• 42:51
  that you're accused of paraphernalia.
• 42:52
  So be February the Third. It'd be February 2nd at nine
• 42:58
  every second at nine. Next, we have Richard Colette,
• 43:11
  which Mr. Flag, good morning, Mr. Glad you're here because
• 43:14
  you've been accused of one kind of battery on the elderly.
• 43:16
  Mr. Clemente there is probable cause of this charge.
• 43:18
  In addition to reading the complaint of absolutely true
• 43:22
  criminal history, you have several prior charges or
• 43:26
  arrests. So, Mr. Colette, I think you're
• 43:28
  entitled to bond as far as I can tell.
• 43:30
  Let me see if the attorneys have any additional information, Mr.
• 43:33
  McDaniel. Anything, you know, we're here
• 43:36
  just a second. Let me hear from Mr. Mitchell
• 43:40
  then I'll see what your question is, very quick.
• 43:51
  The complaint does make an allegation that he may have been
• 43:55
  under the influence of some substance.
• 43:57
  It doesn't say if it was alcohol or something else.
• 44:03
  I guess the state would be requesting.
• 44:05
  That he'd be subject to random uas if that's possible.
• 44:08
  We'll leave it up to the court where that's I can read the
• 44:12
  language they use. You see, I see it right there.
• 44:14
  It was a parent that Colette was on the influence of some
• 44:16
  substance to him. Staggering while walking is
• 44:18
  throwing his worst, they don't mention the smell of alcohol.
• 44:21
  Okay, Mr. Clinton, you wanted to say something?
• 44:25
  It was alcohol. Okay.
• 44:27
  So here drinking it. Okay, Mr. Clayton, anything else
• 44:34
  that you want to tell me sir? But you were trying to say
• 44:38
  something moment ago. You know, slipped my mind that
• 44:42
  quick. Okay, Mr. Glad I think you're
• 44:44
  entitled to Obama. Said to the normal felony Bond.
• 44:46
  It's going to be 5,000 cash or Surety cash is surely, Mr.
• 44:50
  Klappe Means you can go through a, bondsman you do not have to
• 44:52
  come up with all the money if you go through a bondsman.
• 44:55
  They'll negotiate with you, what they charge you.
• 44:56
  But normally it's around 10%, that'd be 500 dollars to get out
• 44:59
  of jail. Mr. Colette, you do have a
• 45:01
  condition, not a possessor. Consume alcohol based upon the
• 45:04
  allegations, so, involving alcohol, Mr. Colette, you will
• 45:08
  get these phone in just a few minutes.
• 45:09
  Sir, you post that ball and you'll be released.
• 45:11
  If you don't post the ball in the public finish off being
• 45:14
  contact with you and Mr. Colette, the jail will also give
• 45:17
  you a notice for your court date, which should be February
• 45:20
  the third at 8:30. Mr. Colette, do you have any
• 45:24
  questions? No.
• 45:27
  All right, sir, I wish you the best.
• 45:28
  We have Angela Martin. Yes, there is a condition.
• 45:36
  No contact with the bacon. Thank you.
• 45:38
  Corporal, Mr. Colette there's a there's administrative order
• 45:41
  that requires. I do the condition of contact
• 45:42
  unless the parks and it's okay, it's just no contact.
• 45:53
  Angela Martin. Miss Martin, come on up.
• 45:56
  Miss Martin you here for accused of one kind of aggravated
• 45:58
  battery, Miss Martin. There is probable cause in the
• 46:01
  complaint ma'am. I'm going to go ahead and set
• 46:04
  you up on in this case because I think you won just hope just
• 46:09
  resolve the misdemeanor case and, you know, not mess with the
• 46:13
  others. But I don't think the other
• 46:14
  one's going anywhere with her husband.
• 46:15
  He's already been calling me, but we're going to resolve the
• 46:20
  other. But of course, share that, I
• 46:23
  still need to set up a bond in this case.
• 46:24
  Donna, Correct. Okay yes.
• 46:27
  So in the news okay in the new case, any input on the bond in a
• 46:31
  new case Mr. McDaniel. I mean he just Didn't mean to
• 46:36
  interrupt your mrr right? Daniel.
• 46:37
  You were saying something I'm sorry just you know the bass on
• 46:40
  the backs of the cases I mean sure.
• 46:44
  I did, I did. Thank you, Mr. Mr. Mitchell as
• 46:48
  it pertains to the new case, we that may be the case as Mr.
• 46:53
  McDaniel is saying, we haven't heard from the victim yet, I'm
• 46:56
  sure we'll probably hear something today.
• 46:57
  But as for right now, we just request the court taken to
• 47:00
  account her history, when it comes to the batteries that
• 47:04
  she's been convicted to and set a reasonable Bond on to those
• 47:07
  circumstances. So, Mr. Martin, I know there's
• 47:10
  several battery charges on your history.
• 47:11
  I don't see dispositions on most of those, but I know this chart
• 47:16
  is I'm taking that into account, not not convictions necessarily
• 47:19
  but it's Martin almost set your bond at 10,000 dollars cash or
• 47:23
  Surety on the new charge condition.
• 47:24
  No contact the legend victim. You do have another case that
• 47:27
  Mr. McDaniel and Mr. Mitchell have already looted to, and
• 47:30
  that's one you're out on bond in 2552.
• 47:33
  Mm, in that case I've already pointed the public defender's
• 47:36
  office to represent you please listen to Mr. Mike Daniel in
• 47:39
  that Mr. Beaner case. You don't miss Martin, she's
• 47:42
  going to contest the charges 90 days in the county jail, show,
• 47:46
  three days. And she is going away for right
• 47:53
  to a jury trial and call witnesses.
• 47:54
  And this is a result of that case today.
• 47:58
  Thank you, and Mr. Mitchell's, I grew up with the state it is
• 48:01
  here on Earth. Miss Martin did you hear that
• 48:03
  agreement in the misdemeanor case?
• 48:04
  Yes, sir. Do you have any questions about
• 48:07
  that agreement? This Martin is that to you would
• 48:10
  like to enter to resolve that misdemeanor charge.
• 48:12
  Yes, sir. Miss Martin, I'm accept your
• 48:16
  plate of no contest. And misdemeanor, battery case
• 48:17
  25552, mm, withhold of adjudication of guilt.
• 48:21
  Excuse me, the judge of guilty. Sentenced you to 90 days in
• 48:23
  jail, three days, credit 722 court costs and finds that'll be
• 48:27
  a civil judgment. If you don't get it worked off
• 48:28
  at the jail and hopefully you will get it worked off.
• 48:30
  So that resolves, the misdemeanor case in the felony
• 48:33
  case the jail is going to give you a notice man, your court
• 48:36
  date should be February the third at 8:30 and Miss Martin.
• 48:41
  I don't know if I said it early but you've got a condition.
• 48:43
  No contact in the new case. Now, if you and the alleged
• 48:46
  victim, both want to have contact, certainly will consider
• 48:49
  that. But for right now we have to do
• 48:51
  no contact Miss Martin. Do you have any questions about
• 48:54
  your sentence? Have a good day.
• 48:57
  Ma'am. You're right.
• 48:59
  I think that'll take her off the pre-trial docket and the trial
• 49:02
  docket thank you. so, Mr. McDaniel Mr. Mitchell did you
• 49:09
  get the text about the changes, the changes for next Tuesday's,
• 49:14
  first appearance where I was going to be out and now I'm no
• 49:16
  longer going to be here, okay? So make sure all the same page.
• 49:20
  the other thing is that judge Garcia asks if I could cover
• 49:24
  first appearance for her Sunday, And so I said yes, but since
• 49:28
  it's so late she and I decided just to stick with the original
• 49:31
  assigned team. So I'll use her assigned ASA and
• 49:37
  APD so you don't have to worry about it, okay?
• 49:38
  I was gonna be Monday and then eventually down the road
• 49:41
  somewhere she'll take one day of my weekend and we'll try it out
• 49:45
  somehow. Okay.
• 49:46
  So that's all I had today, Mr. Back Daniel, anything else from
• 49:49
  the public defender's office? Anything else in the jail?
• 49:53
  No sir. And Mr. Mitchell gonna say
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  you're on her Laden. Joe that concludes first
• 49:59
  appearance. That doesn't need to conclude
• 50:02
  first appearance. Good morning, everybody.
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  TCF live. It's Thursday.
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  Sun's coming up here. Looks like it's going to shine
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  bright today. I'll let our weatherman give the
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  full forecast for the Greater Phoenix area, but what is going
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  on in your world. I hope you're enjoying your
• 50:19
  morning so far and thanks for joining us here.
• 50:21
  Let's A lot of Courts still waiting to come online but let's
• 50:28
  um, for now let's go back to judgment McNally.
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  I don't have my zoom judge so I'm not sure if he's here in
• 50:44
  person. You wrote here, John, he's not
• 50:48
  zoom. You see him?
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  No, I do not have him out here. Yeah.
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  Oh you know what you do, John, you don't have any other
• 51:00
  co-host. That's why I don't see him.
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  Okay, this is again officer. You can start your video,
• 51:06
  Kenneth James, and Kay Junior, 25b 149 883 your name sir.
• 51:12
  Again, all right. Officer your name.
• 51:17
  Oh, Stargazer. Carl and Brownstone TD.
• 51:19
  All right, you still wish to continue with your Not
• 51:24
  responsible, please. Okay.
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  I'm gonna ask you both to raise your right hands officer.
• 51:29
  Let me see your hand. Please, you soundly swear affirm
• 51:31
  under penalties of perjury that the testimony.
• 51:33
  You'll give me these settings will be the whole church to help
• 51:35
  you got. I do.
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  All right. So you both been sworn in, you
• 51:41
  can proceed officer Ah, yes, sir.
• 51:46
  On the day of the incident, which I don't have from you
• 51:49
  right now. Unfortunately, I got a call to
• 51:51
  the area of Huron River Drive. just, West of West Jefferson for
• 51:58
  an accident. When I arrived on scene, I seen
• 52:01
  two people pulled over the side. One individual said that.
• 52:06
  He was attempting to turn left to a private Drive. and that Mr
• 52:13
  McKay was impatient and went around him at the time he was
• 52:17
  turning and unfortunately the two collided So is the defend is
• 52:24
  the alleged victim here, traveling eastbound.
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  Or westbound. He was traveling.
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  West bouncer. Both parties are traveling.
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  West, both were traveling westbound.
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  So the defendant was going to. I'm sorry.
• 52:41
  The individual with whom Mr. McKay was involved in an
• 52:45
  accident with was going to turn left onto southbound hearing
• 52:49
  River Drive. Is that true?
• 52:51
  Is going to turn southbound but it was into a private drive on
• 52:54
  her. I got it, I got it, I got, I'm
• 52:57
  sorry, I misspoke really? And then Mr. McKay was driving
• 53:02
  westbound as well. And there was a collision in
• 53:07
  what the eastbound Lane of Huron River Drive.
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  A firm, sir. I'm sorry.
• 53:14
  Yes, you have any questions for him, sir?
• 53:18
  Um yes, I just want to confirm that you recall arriving driving
• 53:25
  Eastbound and then making a three or four point turn to turn
• 53:29
  around. To tell us both to proceed
• 53:34
  forward and the chart left onto the side street there.
• 53:38
  He's, are you talking about after the accident?
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  Correct. Yeah for would be got there.
• 53:45
  Yeah, I told them turned down a side street over there, correct?
• 53:49
  So you can investigate the accident.
• 53:52
  Yeah, and get them off the road right there, right?
• 53:54
  Okay, what other questions? On your properties for him, just
• 54:01
  be the fantasy video that showed there was no.
• 54:04
  Do you have a video? I do, where's my video of the
• 54:08
  accident? I have a video of directly
• 54:10
  afterwards that shows his Bruiser there.
• 54:12
  And the other vehicle there to show, that was the day that's
• 54:16
  happened. There was no debris on the road.
• 54:18
  There was no y'all Mark, says it was a very low speed Collision.
• 54:23
  Is the other vehicle actually turned left and hit the side of
• 54:27
  my car. I was already alongside his
• 54:29
  first one was happening. In a passing zone.
• 54:31
  He was stopped in the middle of the road with no turn signals
• 54:34
  on. I am a professional driver.
• 54:36
  I was in a four Focus but it's very low to the ground.
• 54:40
  He was at a ramp up truck. This tail lights were in my
• 54:43
  face. Wait a minute, slow down.
• 54:45
  So you're traveling west behind him.
• 54:48
  How far are you behind him initially before you decided to
• 54:52
  pass? Close.
• 54:54
  He was going slow. He was going dangerously slow
• 54:58
  for that area. What do you mean dangerously?
• 55:00
  Slow for that area? So if you're asking South on
• 55:03
  Jefferson you go around on the current River Drive, right?
• 55:07
  People go around that world 45 miles an hour and he was going
• 55:11
  maybe five times miles an hour. And people come around that
• 55:15
  road, I was afraid of getting rented.
• 55:17
  And then he proceeded to go slow slow slow slow.
• 55:21
  And we mean you were afraid of being being rear-ended by who
• 55:26
  was somebody behind you? Okay.
• 55:30
  But so you decided to pass. Yes, I'm passing zone.
• 55:34
  I decided to pass. Because there was no turn
• 55:37
  signals on this vehicle. I was under the impression that
• 55:40
  maybe he was irritated that I was there.
• 55:44
  So he was going so slow. So I wanted to pass and I got
• 55:48
  alongside him and he turned into people, but he's done my vehicle
• 55:51
  shows that she also turned. All right, slow down a second.
• 55:54
  Were there any injuries here? Oh, sir, And you're out.
• 56:01
  I do have something else to say whenever you guys are free,
• 56:03
  know, I know, but I want to ask you that question first.
• 56:06
  Were there any injuries? Oh, I know in here, it was their
• 56:11
  serious property damage to the other vehicle.
• 56:14
  I know, sir. And you don't want impeding
• 56:16
  traffic. No?
• 56:18
  Okay. All right.
• 56:20
  What do you want to add officer? Um, I'm here out of her drive
• 56:25
  just west of where the accident did occur.
• 56:27
  I went back and I investigated that area there were.
• 56:32
  It's a Permanent yellow line, which you're not allowed to
• 56:35
  pass. And I know the accidents happen
• 56:37
  there because the victim drivers said, hey, it happened over
• 56:40
  there, and there's a solid Wii over there and you can't pass.
• 56:45
  I said, okay, I'll go back and investigate.
• 56:47
  So I did go back and investigate that area and the accident did
• 56:50
  happen there because there was minor very minor debris on the
• 56:53
  road. And there were clear y'all marks
• 56:55
  where the individual Mr. McKay, clearly tried to go around where
• 57:01
  the victims that have it. So he tried to their work tire
• 57:03
  marks in the In the lane so he was not supposed to pass in that
• 57:07
  area but he still did and that was the area that the that's why
• 57:11
  he wrote for improper lane use. Yes, sir.
• 57:16
  And I'll see if you want to show me any video.
• 57:21
  I have no issue with that. I'll be glad to look at it.
• 57:24
  I'm not sure that it, if it doesn't show me where the if it
• 57:30
  doesn't depict the accident, well, so far, because we could
• 57:34
  see the, my tires because I went on the shoulder, the other
• 57:38
  vehicle did not gosh, I went to the shoulder after.
• 57:41
  Yeah, I'll be happy to look at whatever you want.
• 57:46
  He just want to. Get into you.
• 57:54
  You can handle your phone you can't see this stuff in your
• 57:58
  officer. So unfortunately not the problem
• 58:01
  is man, we'll get that up there. Would it be heard a lot?
• 58:03
  Just shame. Don't call Shane.
• 58:06
  Yeah. See if he can do that.
• 58:08
  He'll be like I I have a suspicion that the
• 58:30
  box that he was seeing or possibly working right on the
• 58:33
  scene, he turns around because I can see those buttons schedule
• 58:36
  and all so for something back out of the driveway.
• 58:42
  I think what he was telling me is that the debris was in the
• 58:44
  zone that was an old passing zone is that?
• 58:48
  Now what you're telling me there is that there's nothing missing
• 58:52
  for my vehicle. I don't know what he doesn't
• 58:53
  missing from this vehicle is tired.
• 58:57
  There's nothing mystical, zero degrees, zero breakage.
• 59:01
  I have video of the vehicle as well.
• 59:03
  DM vehicle of the area where the impact occurred.
• 59:05
  Yes, I do. Or I believe it occurred due to
• 59:09
  the marks on the pavement. So what happened when he turned
• 59:13
  into me? It was a Dodge, Ram pickup.
• 59:15
  Like I said, he turned into me and his tire.
• 59:17
  It the right side of the car and it not to take the toe and his
• 59:21
  vehicle. You can see where you pull, the
• 59:23
  way, you can see the where they all marks are from the toll, and
• 59:26
  his truck. Did he have his did?
• 59:29
  He was there any indication as to whether or not?
• 59:31
  He had his turn signals on officer Mr. McKay Mr. McKay
• 59:36
  said, that's what happened when I asked the victim driver, what
• 59:39
  happened? He says he did have his turn
• 59:41
  signal on and that Mr. McKay was impatient and went around him
• 59:44
  because he was going to slow and then the reason for them pulling
• 59:48
  up, hold on a second, Mr. McKay, the reason for them pulling up
• 59:51
  is because we're the action occurred.
• 59:53
  According to the victim, there's also another Lane that kind of
• 59:56
  comes diagonal from southbound West Jefferson.
• 1:00:00
  So they had to get out of that area.
• 1:00:01
  So they all pulled up more westbound on here on River Drive
• 1:00:05
  because you don't want to be kind of caught in that area and
• 1:00:07
  intersection area where the victim driver said the action at
• 1:00:12
  Which is precisely why I was trying to pass this person
• 1:00:14
  because it's a dangerous area. And as the officer stated the
• 1:00:19
  driver one second, can you get that up on the screen?
• 1:00:21
  So these episodes you're gonna have to zoom in on your phone
• 1:00:25
  and share. Yeah I'm happy that stuff.
• 1:00:27
  I'm very simple horsey. Or you show your phone.
• 1:00:31
  Let me see. Let me see it though.
• 1:00:33
  Let me see. It went to I don't know, you're
• 1:00:37
  gonna have to play it again and again explain to you the video
• 1:00:41
  that shows where the double yellow ends just hand it to me.
• 1:00:46
  Let me take a look. I can't see a thing from where
• 1:00:48
  you are. Very clear.
• 1:00:51
  Goal here towards me and at the end of the video on the right
• 1:01:00
  thing, shot is where my entire track is, what will it.
• 1:01:08
  What am I looking at now, I'm seeing a car.
• 1:01:12
  Approach down because well, I'm looking at a car.
• 1:01:15
  Is that from your vehicle, right?
• 1:01:16
  Well, what this is after the accident, right?
• 1:01:19
  Document that the area in order I'm not sure why I'm looking at
• 1:01:24
  this. Why am I looking at this?
• 1:01:26
  If it was after the accident So you that I wanted another three.
• 1:01:30
  Number two, the tire tracks that are seen are from people backing
• 1:01:34
  out of their driveways or when officer arrives is 3.4 Point
• 1:01:38
  attorney. Did you have this?
• 1:01:40
  Put up there? I want this officer.
• 1:01:41
  I don't do it. He's gonna have to zoom in with
• 1:01:44
  him. He consumed with my zoom ID and
• 1:01:47
  we'll get it on the docket here. Just be patient with me officer,
• 1:01:51
  please. Okay, I'll be right with you.
• 1:01:53
  No problem. Kimberly and Rose. somebody can
• 1:01:59
  help you shoot two five T six four seven two nine one, Good
• 1:02:05
  morning, ma'am. Your name, your charged with
• 1:02:08
  driving on a suspended license and you have the right to a
• 1:02:12
  lawyer. Would you like an attorney?
• 1:02:14
  Okay, we're gonna give you an attorney.
• 1:02:15
  You go out in the hallway, your lawyer will talk to the
• 1:02:18
  prosecutor and then you'll come back in front of me, okay?
• 1:02:22
  You're welcome. Good now, Darren Michael goodno.
• 1:02:27
  252647391, I have I have a baby and C.
• 1:02:39
  But on authorized your property, use the lights, no insurance and
• 1:02:43
  driving on a suspended, your name. all right, so you are here
• 1:02:47
  for Arraignment and pre-trial you charged with a misdemeanor
• 1:02:51
  do I will suspend in two sibling?
• 1:02:53
  Fractions, you have the right to the lawyer.
• 1:02:55
  Would you like one? I'm sorry.
• 1:02:59
  I'll go ahead and arrange you. I'll send you to the prosecutor
• 1:03:02
  van. Okay.
• 1:03:02
  It is alleged that on December the 26th of 25 to operating a
• 1:03:07
  motor vehicle in the city of Trenton and they think that you
• 1:03:10
  did not have a valid license that it was suspended.
• 1:03:13
  They think you were driving on Grange and Weston Trenton at
• 1:03:16
  8:10 p.m. on that date. That is a misdemeanor
• 1:03:18
  punishable. By up to 500 590 days.
• 1:03:22
  Jail costs for all those in two points.
• 1:03:24
  Do you understand that? You also have two other charts.
• 1:03:27
  There's no proof Insurance on rice or improper used to like do
• 1:03:31
  you want to understand that? And did you sign read and
• 1:03:34
  understand and advice of Rights form here today?
• 1:03:37
  If you plead guilty, you will be giving up all those rights.
• 1:03:40
  And we're not going to have a try to understand that you still
• 1:03:43
  wish to waive your right to a lawyer.
• 1:03:44
  I'm entering a knock. You'll be 500 dollar, personal
• 1:03:52
  Bond, you don't have to make any, you don't have to post any
• 1:03:55
  money. I have, you don't have to post
• 1:04:02
  any money, but you cannot leave the state without sound of the
• 1:04:05
  court or violate a law. You must appearances directed.
• 1:04:07
  You understand that? All right, so you go out in the
• 1:04:11
  hallway. He'll call you and momentarily.
• 1:04:13
  All right, functions, Kimora rain, fungus 25b 1499618, do you
• 1:04:19
  have any more files down there? Punches is she out on Zuma?
• 1:04:25
  She's on zoo judge. Okay.
• 1:04:30
  Your name. More functions you're charged
• 1:04:35
  with driving while on my license and he also have a civil
• 1:04:37
  infraction of 30 yield. You have the right to a lawyer.
• 1:04:40
  Would you like a lawyer? Yes.
• 1:04:42
  All right, you just stay put. I'll be with you momentarily.
• 1:04:48
  we'll put you in a waiting room and then as soon as the You're
• 1:04:53
  ready? They'll zoom in and talk to you.
• 1:04:56
  Okay, so this one wants to lawyer John and they do not
• 1:05:00
  belong to that is just going to wave attorney.
• 1:05:04
  So, that's going right to the prosecutor.
• 1:05:06
  And then, this one, is this young lady right here?
• 1:05:08
  She's on zoom. And she wants a lawyer.
• 1:05:13
  Eric Anthony. Schilling 25g, 306 772.
• 1:05:18
  Your name, sir. Your show.
• 1:05:22
  Good morning to you. You have a charge.
• 1:05:24
  You met with a department rep? You're going to pleading
• 1:05:27
  traffic, right? Yes.
• 1:05:29
  To that charge responsible or not responsible responsible.
• 1:05:33
  All right, I'm going to accept the plea. 162 dollars, you can
• 1:05:38
  move down the hall and make your payment.
• 1:05:41
  Okay, you speeding is dismissed good luck.
• 1:05:45
  Happy New Year, Murphy holding, LLC 25 piece six, four seven
• 1:05:50
  zero three three. Ah and I also have give me one
• 1:05:57
  second here. I have six.
• 1:06:04
  Four seven. Oh three three.
• 1:06:05
  A B, c. And then I also have 647037 a
• 1:06:11
  and b Good morning. Good morning.
• 1:06:14
  It's your turn. Um yeah.
• 1:06:17
  I think they wrote the same ticket twice.
• 1:06:19
  The I was talking to the prosecutor, I need your
• 1:06:22
  appearance food, I mean, please the court.
• 1:06:24
  Patrick Gardner P 70106 at the end of the defendant Murphy.
• 1:06:28
  Holden's LLC, who's representatives for Murphy
• 1:06:31
  savings? Let me, call him, man, I can't
• 1:06:33
  even make heads or tails out of this what he's written up here.
• 1:06:40
  Okay, sure your name is Murphy. All right, so first of all, he
• 1:06:44
  is a charge of commercial vehicle.
• 1:06:48
  No point. Does he stand wait for more
• 1:06:51
  reading on that shows? Yes, I'm on me Junior, Mr.
• 1:06:54
  Bologna please. Oh yeah.
• 1:06:56
  Okay, thank you. Same thing on a file CV.
• 1:07:01
  Insecure load. Yes.
• 1:07:03
  All right. So those are the two
• 1:07:04
  misdemeanors right now. I have three civil and fractions
• 1:07:07
  I have Safety equipment flares. No medical waiver card.
• 1:07:17
  Hang on a second. And I have safety equipment
• 1:07:24
  violation, flares. I have no medical waiver card.
• 1:07:33
  that's just, I'm making a hard time making heads, or tails out
• 1:07:38
  of this one that should only be then.
• 1:07:40
  I have a beep. What's that your fault?
• 1:07:42
  I have a B file, no insurance. So I have 647033 that has no
• 1:07:47
  trailer plate. Commercial vehicle.
• 1:07:50
  No proof of insurance commercial vehicle and insecure low
• 1:07:54
  commercial vehicle. Then I have on 70378, which is
• 1:07:58
  the same offense date. I have a warning on the
• 1:08:01
  operating without a proper endorsement.
• 1:08:03
  I have safety equipment violation.
• 1:08:07
  Flares slash triangles and no medical waiver cards.
• 1:08:10
  So, I want to make sure that I'm doing this, right?
• 1:08:12
  So first of all, you've got improper display down here.
• 1:08:17
  What file is that? We're adding the chart here.
• 1:08:21
  Yeah, I know. But you got five cases here.
• 1:08:30
  The three, three case. Is that the a file or is that
• 1:08:34
  the B file? That's, that's a file.
• 1:08:40
  All right, so, so you're dismissing the original charge.
• 1:08:43
  No, no trailer plate and he's pleading to improper display
• 1:08:50
  right? Right.
• 1:08:51
  Yes. All right.
• 1:08:52
  Let me just take one of these at a time.
• 1:08:55
  All right, so I understand that one.
• 1:08:57
  Now we've got You got? To be in CK here on 70338.
• 1:09:07
  Am I right? Did, he's pleading to know,
• 1:09:09
  proof of insurance on that one. And he's all.
• 1:09:11
  So that's filed B. And he is also pleading on
• 1:09:15
  6470378. See the safety equipment.
• 1:09:22
  Is that right? One second.
• 1:09:40
  All right. Man.
• 1:09:44
  I've got your dismissing the no medical waiver could write. once
• 1:09:53
  your client show up first, he wasn't here, was he Maybe, I
• 1:10:03
  don't know why we entered a default judgment on December
• 1:10:06
  4th. All right.
• 1:10:08
  Just missed her step that's on. No matter.
• 1:10:14
  No medical wave repairs. And then What am I doing with
• 1:10:18
  the last fire? you got, I think you you only
• 1:10:26
  have four written up here. You saw got a So, I've got them
• 1:10:30
  pleading this charge down 70370 pleading his charged on 7033, b.
• 1:10:36
  7037 b is being dismissed. He's pleading to improper
• 1:10:43
  display on 7038 and I don't think you did anything on the
• 1:10:47
  insecure load. That's a dismissal.
• 1:10:56
  Okay, you got CMD vote. I see now.
• 1:10:59
  All right. Do you understand all of this
• 1:11:01
  sir? Yes, sir.
• 1:11:02
  Okay, slip through the charge of improper, display of plate,
• 1:11:06
  responsible or not responsive. Responsible to the charge and no
• 1:11:11
  proof of insurance on behalf of the company, what's your
• 1:11:13
  position by the way? So you're the president.
• 1:11:17
  Yes. So to the charge of Safety
• 1:11:21
  equipment violation, on behalf of the company file, 72378
• 1:11:25
  responsible or not responsible. And to Seven.
• 1:11:36
  Oh, three three B. No proof Insurance responsible
• 1:11:40
  and not responsible. I think he'll no proof Insurance
• 1:11:52
  according to this. I think that was actually
• 1:11:55
  amended to annual to display that out.
• 1:12:00
  It's the same. What's the Saints?
• 1:12:02
  Yeah. Thank you.
• 1:12:03
  Okay. They didn't charge him with the
• 1:12:06
  misdemeanor, no insurance. This is over here.
• 1:12:11
  So to that charge, no, proof Insurance responsible, or not
• 1:12:14
  responsible to improper display. Again, responsible or not
• 1:12:18
  responsible just violation of The safety regulations on file a
• 1:12:25
  responsible or not responsible responsible.
• 1:12:28
  I good enough. Give me one second here.
• 1:12:30
  Thank you. Just a little confusing.
• 1:12:36
  Oh, Oh, does he have insurance now?
• 1:12:41
  yes, it can be driving, a commercial vehicle without
• 1:12:44
  insurance or and, All right, on the no insurance.
• 1:12:54
  That's stayed in right there. That one is a commercial I'm
• 1:12:58
  doing 200 dollars on that on the improper display to 10 and on
• 1:13:03
  the defective equipment or safety violation.
• 1:13:07
  I should say 2305 so he owes 235 435 645.
• 1:13:13
  Can you pay all that today? Yes.
• 1:13:15
  All right, Mr. Gunner, go to see you.
• 1:13:17
  You do. All right.
• 1:13:19
  Yeah, that's what file was the improper play.
• 1:13:23
  I'm sorry that was a lot. I was trying to keep up.
• 1:13:26
  I know I know I know it was and on the Note 7 0 3 3, a he's
• 1:13:32
  pleading to improper display. Okay, and they're dismissing the
• 1:13:37
  no trailer plate, okay? So they're dismissing, the
• 1:13:41
  misdemeanor is pleading to a civil infraction of improper
• 1:13:45
  display on 7033. C, which is unsecured load.
• 1:13:51
  They're dismissing them on 7033, B.
• 1:13:55
  He's pleading to that. No proof of insurance on 7037.
• 1:14:01
  A, he's pleading to that, which is But, you know, safety
• 1:14:07
  equipment, if we're trying this and then they're dismissing 7037
• 1:14:12
  B, which is no medical wave occurred.
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  Okay. Thank you.
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  Okay, no problem. You're all set have a good day.
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  Happy New Year. All right, I'm gonna keep an eye
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  on judgment McNally's court for when that driving case comes
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  back. But in the meantime, Let's go to
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  Washington County. Spend some time with Jason just
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  taking the bench drawers real that's all I'll say.
• 1:14:39
  So we're digits, please Honorable in the office.
• 1:14:52
  The Saints. Good morning, Andrew Joy, game
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  your assistant public defender you're on a week with the public
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  defender's office. Do not believe that there is any
• 1:15:00
  conflict, but if there is what wave any potential conference.
• 1:15:05
  Record for each part. Are also does not believe that
• 1:15:07
  there's conflict that in Michigan, courtrooms are the
• 1:15:09
  cases decided, they're under two, the extent of conflict.
• 1:15:11
  Does exist, given the waivers Court Will consent to hear the
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  manage Court does called the case, if people stayed in
• 1:15:17
  Michigan, versus Ryan Milligan. When you're on Raymond people,
• 1:15:21
  Good morning. I enjoy getting senior
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  assistant. Public defender.
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  Representing Mr. Middleton! He, can you state your name,
• 1:15:27
  please? Hi, Ryan, Joseph Milligan.
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  And I did reach out to the Department of Corrections to try
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  to arrange to meet with Mr. Milligan, in person, I was
• 1:15:41
  unable to Speak with an actual person to make that.
• 1:15:48
  I would ask for sure, in Germany, maybe two or three
• 1:15:51
  weeks, probably, because conference will be adjourned.
• 1:15:54
  Two, February Fest. What?
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  Yes, sir. What what's going on now?
• 1:16:03
  I have to see somebody or something.
• 1:16:06
  Yeah, you're attorney would like to meet with you.
• 1:16:08
  She tried to contact the facility and I guess if I'm
• 1:16:12
  correcting couldn't get through to anybody to try to arrange
• 1:16:16
  that meeting to talk to you. So she's gonna come up here.
• 1:16:19
  This is like my fourth of German, I think.
• 1:16:23
  This will be your last adjournment.
• 1:16:25
  Okay, really. You might be talking about other
• 1:16:28
  cases. I think it's your second one.
• 1:16:30
  This would be like okay. You'll come up here and see me.
• 1:16:41
  Yes, I will. Okay, thank you.
• 1:16:43
  Thank you. You're welcome.
• 1:16:44
  Every 2026 9 a.m. thank you. Thank you.
• 1:16:52
  Thank you, sir. There's a lot on my schedule
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  corkos. The case people versus were
• 1:17:02
  homeless, man. Lost his people.
• 1:17:06
  Michael Gary assistant public defender for Mr. Smith Young.
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  See. Continue.
• 1:17:18
  Oh, there is This is Smith. Can you state your name, please?
• 1:17:24
  How many more tests with? Thank you.
• 1:17:29
  What are we doing here? We have received a competency
• 1:17:33
  update. I had a chance to go over it.
• 1:17:36
  I did I have not been able to see Mr. Smith at the forensic
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  center, it's the report indicates that they're in their
• 1:17:45
  opinion that he is not competent but restorable By my estimation
• 1:17:53
  that dated February 8th. So by my estimation, I think
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  that restoration date is February 8th.
• 1:17:59
  February 8th. And we approach judge.
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  Yes, thank you. What do you want me to do?
• 1:18:25
  Okay, friends, he's muted and I'm still waiting on McNally's
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  court. So let's go to State of
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  Michigan. Let's go to judge to Santo.
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  My name is Braxton Bailey. Okay, good morning.
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  And today is the date scheduled for the adjourned probable cause
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  conference and Council. Are you an idea?
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  Just a matter of Mr. Bailey, I also have to Discovery and we
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  elect to have our preliminary examination.
• 1:19:06
  We will waive the 21-day Rule and requested, the exam Beast
• 1:19:12
  scheduled for January 29th, at 11 a.m. per the prosecutors
• 1:19:17
  agreement. Okay, well first, I need to
• 1:19:20
  check to see if that works for the court for the date and time.
• 1:19:23
  Does that date in time for us Ally.
• 1:19:28
  Yeah. Okay.
• 1:19:38
  January 29th at 11 a.m. works for the court.
• 1:19:41
  Thank you so much, Ron. I mean, what is an exhibit
• 1:19:45
  lists? No, not for the exactly by
• 1:19:50
  January 26th. Understood your honor.
• 1:19:56
  How did you just go over the time?
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  Waiver with your client on the record, please.
• 1:20:01
  Yes, you're on. Miss Bailey, you are entitled to
• 1:20:05
  have your preliminary examination within 21 days of
• 1:20:09
  arraignment. The time that we have scheduled
• 1:20:13
  this past those 21 days, Do you agree to waive?
• 1:20:18
  That time constraint to fit everyone's schedule.
• 1:20:23
  Mr. Bailey Yes. Thank you.
• 1:20:30
  Okay, the court will know that time has been waived on the
• 1:20:33
  record. And then, the court will also
• 1:20:37
  order bond in conditions are continued.
• 1:20:42
  The address that just briefly your honor.
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  Yes. That's are you do you want to
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  address the bond conditions? Well, yes, I just briefly the
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  home was owned by the one of the family members of the
• 1:20:59
  complainant. Mr. Bailey has received an
• 1:21:02
  eviction notice and what to be able to go to the home, to have
• 1:21:07
  to remove all of his property, So we just simply asked that
• 1:21:13
  he'd be able to do that. has there been a well, my
• 1:21:24
  understanding there's been a 30-day notice.
• 1:21:27
  Filed only, but my understanding is that neither the complainant
• 1:21:33
  nor Mr. Bailey has staying at that house right now.
• 1:21:38
  It is intent. It is his intent to just remove
• 1:21:42
  all of his belongings from the house.
• 1:21:44
  And be done with that. Here's what I'm going to.
• 1:21:48
  So, yeah, furniture or personal belongings.
• 1:21:51
  What is it that you have? Personal belongings.
• 1:22:00
  How long do you believe that it will take you to remove those
• 1:22:04
  items from the home sir? This will be, at least, at least
• 1:22:09
  a two to three hour project. I've been living in the home for
• 1:22:15
  about five years. So I have a lot of clothes.
• 1:22:18
  Um, a lot of gym shoes. And just a lot, a lot of
• 1:22:23
  collectibles. And okay.
• 1:22:38
  So what I'm going to do councils I'm going to have you go back in
• 1:22:41
  your breakout rooms so you can coordinate with the with the
• 1:22:44
  process with the prosecuting attorney and the victim Advocate
• 1:22:47
  to confirm that the complaining. Witness does not resign there
• 1:22:49
  anymore. Nor does she have any property
• 1:22:52
  there? Nor will she be returning their
• 1:22:54
  if she does have property to remove that property?
• 1:22:58
  All right, it is it, I'm sorry. It is expected.
• 1:23:01
  She does love there, and it is expected that she will stay
• 1:23:04
  there. Her family member owns the home,
• 1:23:08
  I believe this she's just staying away until Mr. Bailey
• 1:23:12
  leaves. Well, so they're like the issue
• 1:23:16
  Council because I'm not going to have your client at the house.
• 1:23:19
  Where the complaining Witness? Results without having.
• 1:23:27
  Police squirt. The police escort will not stay
• 1:23:31
  for two to three hours. It would be a short while
• 1:23:35
  probably not more than 15 minutes.
• 1:23:36
  So here's what. Here's what.
• 1:23:51
  I'm going to do starts, I'm going to make sure that my
• 1:23:54
  criminal and civil departments coordinate so that I'm not going
• 1:23:59
  to proceed with an eviction in this matter until We know what's
• 1:24:06
  happening with this matter, on the 29th, if they filed an
• 1:24:09
  action in this court, yet, it may just been a 30-day notice to
• 1:24:13
  quit. I don't know if there's been
• 1:24:14
  some of the complaint issue or not.
• 1:24:16
  Actually, we're gonna look that up.
• 1:24:17
  Can you look that up for me? Please Alan.
• 1:24:26
  Yes, and the civil. And obviously, okay, so far
• 1:24:34
  canceled, there's gonna 30-day notice to quit.
• 1:24:36
  There is not an action for some of the complaint file.
• 1:24:43
  So, I don't know, council. Do you like to speak to the
• 1:24:46
  owner of the home that filed the 30-day?
• 1:24:48
  Notice? And coordinate.
• 1:24:50
  What that looks like? I'm not sure at this point.
• 1:24:53
  This Court's not going to make any amendments to the bond
• 1:24:57
  condition in that regard, I don't know if Your client has a
• 1:25:03
  third party that would be acceptable to the complaining.
• 1:25:08
  Witness to box up his items. I'm not sure.
• 1:25:11
  But I'm not having your client there without police.
• 1:25:16
  Accompaniment. And they will not be there for
• 1:25:19
  two to three hours, that can't happen.
• 1:25:23
  Okay. Yeah.
• 1:25:23
  We'll think of something that won't rally the Court's order.
• 1:25:36
  And I'm also going to indicate that I expect that there will be
• 1:25:40
  any destruction of Mr. Bailey's property as well.
• 1:25:45
  So much for that, you're honor. Okay.
• 1:26:01
  Bonnie conditions are continuing to see back and see we go.
• 1:26:04
  Thank you. All right.
• 1:26:07
  Let's swing back to judgment Nalley's court.
• 1:26:09
  Now, for what appears to be a continuation of the driving
• 1:26:14
  thing we saw earlier, That's crazy, right?
• 1:26:21
  Katie, you're on YouTube now. All right, okay.
• 1:26:25
  All right. Now.
• 1:26:30
  You. Okay, Officer McFarland, start
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  your video again recalling. Kenneth James McKay Jr,
• 1:26:37
  258149883. Kids in technology.
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  I got news for younger than you are.
• 1:27:06
  Scott. Yeah, of course yes.
• 1:27:08
  My 40. He looks 10 years younger than
• 1:27:11
  you. Okay. if there's just a number
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  to reaching when I hit him down during those United with,
• 1:27:40
  different, I think you may know It's not giving an option to
• 1:27:53
  share a video. It's not giving an option to
• 1:27:56
  share the screen. Well we can share the screen,
• 1:27:59
  it's just not showing. It's not showing videos.
• 1:28:07
  All right. I'm sorry, we tried.
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  You're honor. Yes.
• 1:28:14
  You're still under oath. By the way officer, of course
• 1:28:17
  you're on her. I also have I have the I'm lucky
• 1:28:21
  enough to be off today. I do have a map in front of me,
• 1:28:24
  so I can better explain to the court too and show you on Google
• 1:28:28
  Maps. If it's okay with you and the
• 1:28:29
  court, the show how far this yellow line does go.
• 1:28:33
  If you, if you're if that's okay with absolutely It's very clear
• 1:28:38
  on the video, how far the old windows go, it's very clear
• 1:28:41
  where I was stopped on the shoulder here.
• 1:28:42
  Just wait, let me, let me look at what he shows me first.
• 1:28:45
  Okay, of course, John my concern here is even if you were in a
• 1:28:51
  passing, I got testimony here that the guy had his turn signal
• 1:28:56
  and he professional driver, I had driven 500,000 only
• 1:29:01
  profession, we need a professional Drive.
• 1:29:04
  You have a CDL. Transportation comment.
• 1:29:09
  I, And testifying right now that the man's lights in my face and
• 1:29:16
  there was not a turn signal on, I would not have as a
• 1:29:19
  professional driver. I would have passed this person.
• 1:29:21
  Had there been trying to signals on Yahoo stated himself, but the
• 1:29:25
  person fell that I really patience and passed him that
• 1:29:28
  proves that he know, I was back there and I believe he'll other
• 1:29:33
  person. He denied this that he did it.
• 1:29:35
  Intentionally fact, he was going got any accident intentionally,
• 1:29:39
  they get my Heart Festival. He was going dangerously, slow.
• 1:29:42
  First of all, this was an elderly elderly person.
• 1:29:45
  He was looking for a home that he must be more familiar with.
• 1:29:49
  Because as we told the officer he was going to somebody's
• 1:29:52
  Workshop. There was an address of these
• 1:29:55
  entertainment that must be white.
• 1:29:56
  He was going so slow. So I was behind him.
• 1:29:59
  When it got to the point where I could get around him.
• 1:30:01
  I did it over to that person that I was doing that and he
• 1:30:05
  well you don't think he eventually slammed into the side
• 1:30:08
  of your vehicle. Do you really?
• 1:30:10
  I have a suspicion that is part of a manager officer sent
• 1:30:15
  himself that. He thought to that.
• 1:30:19
  The other person thought? Okay, you're gonna lose me on
• 1:30:23
  that. Okay, go ahead.
• 1:30:24
  Don't show me what you want to show me officer.
• 1:30:28
  Yes, sir. I'm gonna go ahead and just try
• 1:30:31
  to turn the video around. Do you know in the court by and
• 1:30:34
  the app settings? If that's possible?
• 1:30:35
  If not, I'll do my best to go ahead and turn around so I can
• 1:30:37
  go ahead and explain it to you on the monitor.
• 1:30:39
  I have a front of me. You know, technology questions
• 1:30:44
  and you expect me to know the answer on.
• 1:30:46
  You should know better. My apologies are.
• 1:30:48
  I'll do my best right here. Let me know.
• 1:30:50
  Thank you for your honor. Yeah, I can see it.
• 1:30:53
  All right, you're honors. So this is West Jefferson write.
• 1:30:59
  Yes. Okay.
• 1:30:59
  Go ahead. All right.
• 1:31:02
  So as you can see, there's another Lane like Mr. McKay and
• 1:31:05
  I said that comes in through here.
• 1:31:07
  Okay? So if that just click like this
• 1:31:09
  and I go to the street view, Here's that, here's that, that
• 1:31:15
  lane that comes through here southbound.
• 1:31:18
  Now, you see this double yellow? Yeah, this is where in this area
• 1:31:23
  for me that all into this bridge, that the victim driver
• 1:31:27
  said, the accident happened in, And as Mr. McKay and I
• 1:31:31
  previously stated they both had to get out of this area so that
• 1:31:35
  way they won't get hit. You know, they can't just stay
• 1:31:37
  right here. So if you go this yellow line
• 1:31:40
  you can see it. Goes down, quite a ways.
• 1:31:42
  I'm zooming in zooming in zooming in Again again and so we
• 1:31:47
  almost hit a street down here called lug wake.
• 1:31:49
  How much slow down. How long would you say?
• 1:31:54
  Now, it's hard for me to tell that that double yellow line
• 1:31:58
  exists. There on that roadway.
• 1:31:59
  Can you give me an estimate? Oh, as far as yardage your
• 1:32:04
  honor. So you're saying it happened
• 1:32:06
  west of there. It happened.
• 1:32:08
  Well, the tire tracks on my video show exactly where it
• 1:32:13
  happened in exactly where my vehicle stopped on the shoulder
• 1:32:16
  and youth with no work here that area.
• 1:32:19
  It was where were they? When you when you told them to
• 1:32:22
  move their vehicles, when you arrived on scene, where were
• 1:32:24
  they? They were in this area between.
• 1:32:31
  Just passed this. They were in this area.
• 1:32:35
  Right here. To this area over here.
• 1:32:39
  I would say it's about a good problem.
• 1:32:43
  Mmm. 70 yards, your honor 670 yards.
• 1:32:48
  From the end of the yellow line. Yeah. no, so from the line over
• 1:32:54
  here which is the double yellow, the ending of it, To where I
• 1:32:59
  found them, which is over here. Over.
• 1:33:05
  They pulled up their in this area, okay.
• 1:33:08
  All right. And they said the individual
• 1:33:10
  said the accident happened like in this area, right after the,
• 1:33:15
  Where that southbound lane like Mr. McKay and I said and that I
• 1:33:19
  found there's a private Drive. I don't drive it was, but there
• 1:33:27
  were yaw marks that were like Not three point.
• 1:33:31
  Y'all marks they were, y'all marks that go like this around,
• 1:33:34
  which clearly show, You know that someone was trying to go
• 1:33:38
  around not so important out. And then going forward, Did you
• 1:33:42
  saw debris in that area? Is that where you saw the
• 1:33:44
  debris? Yeah, there was minor debris.
• 1:33:47
  Your honor and my apologies I didn't get down and look at
• 1:33:51
  like, what kind of debris it was and trying to verify which you
• 1:33:55
  know, could have been from another vehicle of course.
• 1:33:56
  But from where the victim vehicle said this happened, I'm
• 1:34:00
  certain it was Mr. McKay's vehicle.
• 1:34:02
  And it was definitely within the double yellow.
• 1:34:04
  And it was clearly double yellow in the area that the accident,
• 1:34:08
  the victim said occurred. All right, what do you want to
• 1:34:11
  say? I want to say I want to be able
• 1:34:15
  to show you for my friend. I think you were this accident?
• 1:34:20
  Well I where are you going to show it?
• 1:34:22
  I gotta have. My phone so I don't offer should
• 1:34:27
  be here. That's what should happen.
• 1:34:28
  Well we don't make him come here and in fact if you wanted to do
• 1:34:33
  one informal, I let him. I let him come here.
• 1:34:36
  Where are you now? Where am I?
• 1:34:40
  And my residents here on. Yeah.
• 1:34:42
  What city judge? What?
• 1:34:44
  I think that he emails the video, the video, and talk to
• 1:34:49
  you, go down the end and talk to the the Czech guy and see what
• 1:34:54
  we can do. Okay, let's do that.
• 1:34:56
  You go down and talked to The Tech Guy.
• 1:34:58
  Go all the way down the hall and they'll bring it up for you.
• 1:35:01
  All right, just bear with me officer.
• 1:35:03
  Theresa Lynn little two five T six four two nine choo choo
• 1:35:08
  multiple misses from this young lady all right, so looks like
• 1:35:12
  we're waiting again. It's like the hearing that will
• 1:35:19
  never end. let's, Let's go back to judge Simpson.
• 1:35:25
  Okay, that will come in. He can get to you, you guys can
• 1:35:28
  discuss it can figure out exactly where you are.
• 1:35:31
  All right. Fair enough.
• 1:35:33
  Bye. Thank you.
• 1:35:42
  Or does call the case people versus Christopher Decker.
• 1:35:49
  Here, if you could pass it for just female. he does call the
• 1:36:01
  case people versus the people versus Brandon Dempsey.
• 1:36:13
  Good morning. Honor, J.
• 1:36:14
  Grant Miller p. 58658 on behalf, Mr. Dempsey, who approaches?
• 1:36:22
  Your honor, I actually been talking with my client and going
• 1:36:25
  through all the discovery I believe we have everything.
• 1:36:27
  So if we instead of in a German, if we could just set for an exam
• 1:36:31
  four weeks out, I think that would be four weeks.
• 1:36:34
  Why? We need to go through all of the
• 1:36:37
  videos you're still. I just got a couple of the
• 1:36:40
  videos for the Advocacy, why would I set it for exam?
• 1:36:45
  When looking at the videos, may change your whole approach to
• 1:36:48
  the case? I believe we have to hold the
• 1:36:51
  exam on her now that I have all the videos.
• 1:36:54
  This is not going to be a way. Okay.
• 1:36:58
  Then why can't it be done in 12 days?
• 1:37:04
  There's some difficulties in meeting with my client to review
• 1:37:08
  the videos because of some of the constrictions placed on his
• 1:37:11
  bond conditions, stronger. And even when we discussed
• 1:37:16
  previously, when I was What is the Restriction?
• 1:37:22
  What is the boundary restriction?
• 1:37:23
  That's causing the Detroit. Previously I had asked about
• 1:37:27
  meeting at the youth on public library, but when I went there
• 1:37:29
  ahead of time, I noticed the bunch of children their present
• 1:37:32
  as well. So we're just meeting at a
• 1:37:34
  location in Washington County to review the videos as proving
• 1:37:37
  some difficulty you're on He? Well, here, I'm gonna set it in
• 1:37:46
  12 days and I'm exam. We're going to do it then.
• 1:37:49
  Discoveries complete witness today.
• 1:37:51
  People would have their Witnesses available to 27,
• 1:37:53
  preliminary examination, in person, January 27th 2026 9 a.m.
• 1:38:01
  before judge Washington. Round will continue.
• 1:38:08
  Thank you. Core calls.
• 1:38:13
  Okay, people versus Austin Gray. Well, did they have some money?
• 1:38:29
  Who do they have? Oh, Are they still there?
• 1:38:33
  Which one? What do you have?
• 1:38:40
  Right. Okay.
• 1:38:44
  That was my fault because I had. It's a good way to get shot, all
• 1:38:50
  right? It's your parents Council.
• 1:38:56
  Uh, Kevin Eagle on behalf of Mr. Bryan.
• 1:38:59
  All right, your name Austin, Brian.
• 1:39:00
  All right, what are we doing on this?
• 1:39:02
  Oh, you're honor. I just with the people today, I
• 1:39:05
  just subbed into this case. Apparently, there might be
• 1:39:07
  another charge that's being added to the current charges
• 1:39:09
  that we have. We'd have furniture in the
• 1:39:11
  matter. And I plan on discussing with
• 1:39:15
  the people possible resolutions with this.
• 1:39:17
  So, when will we know, There's a note that there's a more
• 1:39:25
  requests. Conference will be here in
• 1:39:34
  January 29th, 2026, and am. Thank you.
• 1:39:38
  Thank you. Okay, looks like we're ready for
• 1:39:47
  Part three in judgment Nalley's, Court Amy's home.
• 1:39:51
  He's not gonna work. How do we there Shane but went
• 1:40:03
  through. In the Golden Rule.
• 1:40:11
  Yeah, anytime he wants me to play it.
• 1:40:14
  It's even gonna give you one two, whatever you want him to
• 1:40:17
  play. You could give you a shot.
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  Okay. Recalling.
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  Kenneth James McKay Junior 2514983 officer, McFarland your
• 1:40:28
  name again. Awesome.
• 1:40:30
  Because of Carl browse on PD. All right, start your video, Mr.
• 1:40:33
  McKay your name, again. All right, you're both still
• 1:40:36
  under oath. We're gonna play the video and
• 1:40:39
  you can tell me to stop it. Shane will you stay there?
• 1:40:42
  Please stop it. If you eat, but keep your voice
• 1:40:44
  up. If you need me to stop it for
• 1:40:47
  any reason. And as you're as the vehicles
• 1:40:48
  traveling, feel free to tell me what where you were where the
• 1:40:52
  accent any other. important points, you choose to bring up
• 1:40:58
  to the court. You can go ahead.
• 1:40:59
  I think and start that now. The name of the excellent day,
• 1:41:07
  it happened. A video.
• 1:41:10
  Here's the yield. Yielded for the person.
• 1:41:15
  This was the different day, right?
• 1:41:18
  The office. That's nice.
• 1:41:20
  He's oh, the double yellow pens. Right?
• 1:41:23
  There are no sort of Mark, there.
• 1:41:25
  There's back out marks right there.
• 1:41:28
  I saw where. Know, it's really hard without
• 1:41:35
  me being controlled, to show you that at the very end of the
• 1:41:37
  video, you can see off the right shoulder.
• 1:41:40
  There's a wedding tire mark in the on the pavement.
• 1:41:44
  And that's where I pulled off, the officer had me pull off the
• 1:41:46
  old. So, that's how far down like
• 1:41:48
  officer. What kind of debris did you find
• 1:41:50
  on the scene? I can't remember off.
• 1:41:53
  Hey, and you're on, it was just minor debris.
• 1:41:54
  Like I said, I didn't get down and look at it.
• 1:41:56
  And look see if it was like, it was just minor.
• 1:41:58
  I can't really just described it on her.
• 1:42:00
  If the police is the courts, you I have video footage is just as
• 1:42:03
  far as the body camera and stuff.
• 1:42:04
  Now, with me, if we wanted to another day, I have it, it was
• 1:42:08
  clear day where this accident occurred at Play this video
• 1:42:13
  again, shein. This is the day of the
• 1:42:19
  Excellence day it happened. You need him to stop.
• 1:42:21
  Tell him stop here. Here's the yield.
• 1:42:27
  Yielded, for the person. We're here.
• 1:42:32
  The officer says he sees swerve marks.
• 1:42:36
  There are no swerve marks anywhere.
• 1:42:39
  App. Shein.
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  It's over there on looking at the screen to the left is where
• 1:42:45
  there are marks from somebody pulling out of the right way and
• 1:42:48
  leaving that, maybe the marks that he saw.
• 1:42:50
  But as you can see, this clearly no degree fever at all, because
• 1:42:54
  what time, what time was the accident at I guess.
• 1:42:59
  Yeah. What time was that officer?
• 1:43:01
  What time did you respond? It's says 2:38 p.m. right. it
• 1:43:05
  was sometime in the early afternoon, I don't have that
• 1:43:07
  document in front of me today as long as you drive here, Oh is
• 1:43:10
  you can see the option? I'm asking you, what?
• 1:43:12
  Time you drove, you you created this video?
• 1:43:16
  Just after the officer released me from the seat at the end of
• 1:43:20
  this video, you can see the officers Cruiser pulling away
• 1:43:22
  and the other vehicles. So, if you, if you pause the
• 1:43:30
  video right before that season, that's where you can see my
• 1:43:32
  entire marks. Pulling away.
• 1:43:33
  What I'm saying. Oh wait, you want to keep going
• 1:43:36
  on the video? Yes.
• 1:43:37
  Keep going Shane please pause. Back up a little bit.
• 1:43:45
  If you can shame you go to the end.
• 1:43:48
  And like one second from the end of the video, one second to the
• 1:43:52
  end of the video. He wants shein There's also
• 1:43:58
  sure. Okay I think I'm frock is in the
• 1:44:00
  distance. The whole to see there is on the
• 1:44:02
  left line that's the other vehicle involved that's perfect
• 1:44:04
  and if you go forward a little bit more and pause it you can
• 1:44:09
  see my entire track. You can see the top of the dash
• 1:44:11
  line. First of all, go ahead and go a
• 1:44:13
  little bit further. Give me about a second up there.
• 1:44:19
  Right there. All right.
• 1:44:20
  It's my fire truck for leading scene to go to where he offering
• 1:44:24
  Park. You talk about the one that's
• 1:44:28
  traveling. It's right in front of the
• 1:44:30
  vehicle. Oh, you mean that one over
• 1:44:33
  there? You're saying yes. where, And
• 1:44:40
  then your honor if I may and then video.
• 1:44:43
  I'm trying to zoom in on my could be that still double
• 1:44:46
  yellow right there. Am I correct?
• 1:44:47
  Yeah I don't think so. Well that's fine but I went back
• 1:44:52
  and investigated as far as the the march here and I remember
• 1:44:55
  seeing that there were the yaw marks going around the vehicle
• 1:44:58
  during the double yellow. So I can't really see on his
• 1:45:02
  video very much, but I did go back, because the victim was
• 1:45:05
  very adamant that me going back, where he said the accident
• 1:45:07
  occurred at and there was swerve around marks.
• 1:45:11
  Go spam. You want me to see anything
• 1:45:14
  else? but, You want to what he said of
• 1:45:22
  it? Why he commented on the other
• 1:45:26
  articles of people? I can't hear him, your honor.
• 1:45:31
  The other party was a victim. I said I would like you.
• 1:45:36
  All right. Okay, I can tell that you feel
• 1:45:39
  strongly about this Well, you're going to have to appeal then
• 1:45:43
  because I'm sorry I think that this happened in an improper
• 1:45:46
  you. There was improper lane use
• 1:45:49
  because I think that you I think you did it and double yellow
• 1:45:54
  lines. I don't want to argue with
• 1:45:55
  giving everybody every opportunity, he went back.
• 1:45:58
  He said he saw where the entire March were, he saw some debris
• 1:46:02
  there, the victim pointed it out.
• 1:46:04
  I'm sorry. I find you.
• 1:46:06
  Responsible is charged. All you have to do.
• 1:46:12
  You drive, what? You have a you don't have a CDL
• 1:46:16
  or do you guys. We got a chauffeur's license,
• 1:46:24
  right? Officer.
• 1:46:29
  I'm going to give him his choice.
• 1:46:31
  If you have an objection, you tell me.
• 1:46:34
  I'm yeah, I'm always willing to drop it, down your honor but you
• 1:46:37
  can go, you want to if you want to plead to impeding.
• 1:46:41
  I'll take your plea. It'll be done if you want to
• 1:46:44
  appeal. No problem.
• 1:46:45
  Then I'm going to keep this judgment in effect.
• 1:46:48
  You'll appeal it, you'll take it to the other judge.
• 1:46:50
  Maybe she'll agree with you. It's up to you.
• 1:46:55
  Depends. If it's a wise guy question, but
• 1:46:58
  okay. I'm not gonna read this at what
• 1:47:03
  my decision. I I just I want to give I want
• 1:47:07
  to give you a chance to appeal it.
• 1:47:08
  I can tell you feel strongly Sometimes we think we're right
• 1:47:12
  we're not I'm doing what I think is right I might be wrong.
• 1:47:16
  I've never said I'm right every time I'll either let you please
• 1:47:19
  do impeding in which case you forfeiting any right to appeal
• 1:47:23
  or you can go down the hall, pay the 1905.
• 1:47:26
  Tell me one of the people that will act as a bond and you can
• 1:47:29
  go in front of the other judge. Well, okay, okay, so you go down
• 1:47:33
  the hall. Heather, make sure that they set
• 1:47:35
  up an appeal on a formal 195. Good luck to you.
• 1:47:41
  A. That guy just does not want to
• 1:47:46
  drop it. You know, I'm still not
• 1:47:50
  completely clear on exactly how he is a quote unquote,
• 1:47:53
  professional driver. Because he was asked if he had a
• 1:47:59
  CDL is that he had a chauffeur's license, and I didn't hear a
• 1:48:02
  clear reply. If you heard something, let me
• 1:48:04
  know in the chat but I I think that's just words.
• 1:48:07
  Let's change it up a little bit. I'm gonna put us in the way back
• 1:48:12
  machine and go to the Louisiana, pardon board.
• 1:48:15
  This was actually from a couple of days ago, but I found it to
• 1:48:19
  be kind of an interesting hearing and I've been holding it
• 1:48:22
  for you guys. So, let's professional burrito
• 1:48:26
  for very funny. Charles anyways, let's um, Let's
• 1:48:31
  let's pull this up and watch it and see what we think.
• 1:48:36
  Okay. Would you introduce yourself?
• 1:48:40
  Television name ideas? I believe.
• 1:48:49
  Dana France's four, five, eight zero, two one.
• 1:48:54
  Right? Let me acknowledge the guests
• 1:48:58
  that we have and then we'll get started with our process.
• 1:49:01
  So we have in favor we have the parole project.
• 1:49:05
  Mr. Carey Myers, he'll be speaking at the appropriate
• 1:49:08
  time. Also speaking is Deborah
• 1:49:12
  Sharkey, the chaplain for the Department of Corrections with
• 1:49:16
  the Department of Corrections and then Deidre Thomas with
• 1:49:21
  rise. You do have Council this
• 1:49:24
  morning. So I'd like to ask your Council
• 1:49:26
  to, please introduce yourself for the record and what
• 1:49:29
  introduction here on behalf of the state of France.
• 1:49:35
  Thank you, we have all. So with us Beverly Baker, your
• 1:49:40
  mother, your aunt, Pamela Francis Stephanie, king of
• 1:49:44
  friend Reagan. Tingle a friend with the parole
• 1:49:49
  project Demetri I'm sorry I have a what time with that name?
• 1:49:53
  More Christie sharer me Sabrina Monica, Kim Robinson with rise
• 1:49:59
  and Jan Waters. Also with the parole project
• 1:50:02
  just to interrupt will introduce people real quick.
• 1:50:04
  I will likely want to discuss this one in the fourth hour.
• 1:50:08
  So Form your thoughts and if we have time, we'll definitely go
• 1:50:14
  here an hour for during overtime.
• 1:50:15
  I see why we do have opposition. Who are here with us on Zoom.
• 1:50:21
  We have the victim's son, Jonathan Hester and the victim's
• 1:50:26
  daughter, Leticia, has during both things will be speaking at
• 1:50:29
  the appropriate time. First, let me just read some
• 1:50:32
  identifying information into the record that I remember Mr.
• 1:50:36
  Tillis in case has been assigned to him, so it's France, is your
• 1:50:40
  classified as a second felony, offender your currently starring
• 1:50:44
  a 30 year sentence. You were sentenced in East Baton
• 1:50:47
  Rouge Parish in September, 2002 for Florida Drury.
• 1:50:51
  You received a probation, a probated sentence that was
• 1:50:55
  revoked in 2005 for a new felony conviction.
• 1:50:59
  And you were sentenced in April of 2005 for attempted secondary
• 1:51:04
  received at 30 years, parole, eligibility date Is tomorrow.
• 1:51:12
  Your birthday. You have a good time, day.
• 1:51:15
  February 24th, 2028 in southern information, correct?
• 1:51:20
  Yes ma'am. All right.
• 1:51:22
  Mr. Tillis. Good morning, Mrs. How are you?
• 1:51:25
  Good morning, I'm fine. Good tell us.
• 1:51:30
  In your own words. What did you do?
• 1:51:32
  And what caused you to be? Where you are today?
• 1:51:36
  First, I would like to apologize to the family for the pain that
• 1:51:39
  I met calls today, on top of the pain that I have caused because
• 1:51:42
  I made the decision to shoot Miss Caraway.
• 1:51:45
  Seriously harming her for that. I'm truly sorry.
• 1:51:48
  I was a 22 year. Old woman staying with my cousin
• 1:51:52
  sleeping on her couch, working at Microtel because I was on
• 1:51:56
  probation. On November. 8th on November
• 1:52:04
  18th, I received a phone call a forming me that I had lost my
• 1:52:08
  job. And November 19th.
• 1:52:11
  I took a cab to the job. With intention of asking Ms,
• 1:52:16
  Caraway for my job. And appoint, me asking her okay.
• 1:52:22
  I became so overwhelmed with emotions of fear and anger, and
• 1:52:26
  Desperation. I shot Ms. Caraway. and after, I
• 1:52:43
  forgot the scene out of shock and fear but immediately I was
• 1:52:48
  so remorseful and regret I contacted the police confessing
• 1:52:52
  to the crime of shooting, Miss Caraway.
• 1:53:00
  Okay. Warden.
• 1:53:06
  Do you have any comments about her?
• 1:53:08
  Yes. Miss Dana is one of our minimum
• 1:53:11
  security image. She actually works at the
• 1:53:14
  headquarters, doc headquarters office, and she's been working
• 1:53:17
  since actually lciw took over working at headquarters.
• 1:53:22
  So she's been a long term. It may work up there which is a
• 1:53:26
  trusted position. She always we always get glowing
• 1:53:30
  remarks. From all of the individuals that
• 1:53:33
  work at headquarters that she works with.
• 1:53:35
  Along with that job mistana actually is a mentor in our
• 1:53:42
  reentry Court dorm. So she mentors those individuals
• 1:53:46
  who were sentenced to reentry court and facilitates different
• 1:53:50
  groups even their in our cell block or in the reentry
• 1:53:53
  dormitory or housing unit, I think probably one of the
• 1:53:57
  biggest accomplishments Miss Dana had received was yesterday.
• 1:54:01
  She actually graduated with her bachelor's degree and Seminary.
• 1:54:06
  So no, doctor Sharky will probably talk about That but
• 1:54:08
  don't want to speak for today, but I think that was an exciting
• 1:54:11
  day for her yesterday but you know, we don't have any trouble
• 1:54:15
  with Dana. She really helps out where we
• 1:54:18
  need her to and she stays quite busy with her job her studies
• 1:54:23
  and mentoring inmates here at lciw.
• 1:54:27
  Thank you so much. Thank you.
• 1:54:29
  I guess. Now we're here from Louisiana
• 1:54:33
  parole project. Mr. Martin yes, good morning
• 1:54:37
  Carrie Myers with Louisiana parole project.
• 1:54:39
  We're here to let the board. Know we've accepted Dana Francis
• 1:54:43
  as a client in our program. Our plan for Dana is to provide
• 1:54:49
  long-term transitional housing. Assist her with employment
• 1:54:54
  opportunities, ensure that she receives all the necessary
• 1:55:01
  evaluations of mental health substance abuse and abide.
• 1:55:07
  By those plans. Any recommendations that, our
• 1:55:11
  social workers may have or Dana is completely remorseful for her
• 1:55:20
  actions. She didn't make no excuses for
• 1:55:25
  for her actions. The difference is the now,
• 1:55:29
  almost 45 year old. Dana has now learned the skills
• 1:55:34
  in has the skills through the work that she's done there to
• 1:55:39
  cope to cope with the things that life has thrown at her
• 1:55:44
  before. And, and in the future, Dana has
• 1:55:49
  a good time date, release, date and early 2028.
• 1:55:53
  This is an opportunity at her age with the skills, and the she
• 1:56:00
  has learned both vocational and social skills.
• 1:56:03
  She's learned while incarcerated, this is a
• 1:56:06
  excellent time. The Dana is not only employable,
• 1:56:10
  she shows her willingness, besides the fact that she's
• 1:56:17
  going to school, she works at headquarters, she gives back
• 1:56:19
  entity as a reentry Court, Mentor.
• 1:56:23
  Something that is. Totally voluntary on her part
• 1:56:26
  because she wants to give back. She's very trusted.
• 1:56:30
  We would just ask this board to consider the fact that the work
• 1:56:35
  that she's done degree in nlbs. Excuse me.
• 1:56:38
  And obts also attended, Ashland University also has vocational
• 1:56:44
  certifications. All, so does community service,
• 1:56:48
  Dana is not the 22 year old socially ill-equipped person who
• 1:56:55
  made a decision to fire that gun, that day.
• 1:56:58
  Dana can never take that back. But Dana has done the hard work
• 1:57:02
  and we will support Dana on a long term basis.
• 1:57:05
  So it says board to consider that today.
• 1:57:09
  Thank you so much, Mrs. Shortly. And the director Kathleen he
• 1:57:25
  services for the Department of Corrections as well as serve as
• 1:57:28
  the Director of the New Orleans, Baptist Theological Seminary
• 1:57:32
  Extension Center at lciw, and I have them being a princess since
• 1:57:37
  2010. Over the past 15 years.
• 1:57:40
  I have witnessed a remarkable transformation in her life.
• 1:57:45
  Since Dana has been incarcerated.
• 1:57:46
  She has shown consistent dedication to her personal
• 1:57:50
  growth and faith and service. She did complete her bachelor's
• 1:57:54
  degree, and she actually completed the requirements for
• 1:57:59
  that degree in 2024, but we just had our commencement Services
• 1:58:04
  yesterday, and it was a great time to celebrate with those
• 1:58:08
  women have accomplished. Dana has served as a peer
• 1:58:12
  ministering other women and providing leadership and
• 1:58:16
  encouragement across the whole facility.
• 1:58:19
  She oversees our faith-based recovery programs.
• 1:58:22
  That's Celebrate Recovery inside and life's healing choices.
• 1:58:26
  She helps women work through their trauma and their
• 1:58:29
  addiction. And she also teaches our
• 1:58:31
  presenting your class on SMS. Chief of facilitates a helpful
• 1:58:37
  program called courage from my life.
• 1:58:40
  And she leads the big face classes in our lockdown units
• 1:58:44
  and also makes regular Browns in the infirmary and assisted
• 1:58:48
  living area from the ministry offers comfort and support to
• 1:58:52
  the women who are sick, aging and isolated.
• 1:58:56
  Dana also serves on the Department of Corrections
• 1:59:00
  faith-based advisory Council. This is just one, she's just one
• 1:59:05
  of 16 inmates throughout the whole state, male and female
• 1:59:09
  that would chosen to serve on this board.
• 1:59:13
  Dana does have some CTE vocational skills that were
• 1:59:19
  alluded to, but one of them in culinary arts, she likes to use
• 1:59:23
  in Ministry to help encourage people.
• 1:59:26
  So, what she does is she will make little snacks and things
• 1:59:30
  like that to build community in the dorm, among the other
• 1:59:34
  inmates. And she often volunteers to work
• 1:59:37
  in the kitchen when there's a special event even though that's
• 1:59:40
  not her job classification. So over the years, I have seen
• 1:59:45
  game to take full responsibility for her past.
• 1:59:49
  I've spoken to her link about that and she makes no excuses.
• 1:59:53
  She is dedicated to continuing to grow in her face.
• 1:59:57
  And in leadership, she is compassionate and humble, and
• 2:00:01
  consistently demonstrates integrity and accountability her
• 2:00:05
  life. Truly is a testimony to the
• 2:00:07
  power of God. What it means to walk within
• 2:00:10
  daily surrendering to his will in her life and I thank you for
• 2:00:14
  your time and consideration. Thank you so much.
• 2:00:20
  Oh, Ms, Deidre Thomas. That's right.
• 2:00:26
  Yes. You got it fully.
• 2:00:29
  Thank you. Hi.
• 2:00:30
  I'm David Thomas, I'm paralegal for promise to Justice
• 2:00:33
  initiative. I have the opportunity to meet
• 2:00:35
  Dana as a colleague at the Louisiana.
• 2:00:37
  Correctional is to, at the time, I was a leader within the
• 2:00:41
  community but I've met a leader within That taught me how to be?
• 2:00:48
  Even a better leader. When I met day in the data, was
• 2:00:52
  the most humble woman that I met at LC.
• 2:00:55
  I got me. In that process data has
• 2:00:59
  endlessly gone for to help women in the community.
• 2:01:03
  Rather, they even work of encouragement rather than
• 2:01:06
  dealing with areas that they didn't want to cope with why
• 2:01:10
  they want the Insight. They need to help me to see me
• 2:01:13
  at a different level I stand before you today as a direct
• 2:01:17
  result of the board allowing opportunities for people that
• 2:01:21
  are incarcerated today. I ask that you provide that
• 2:01:24
  opportunity to date. I'm example, I strive because of
• 2:01:28
  women, like Dana, I had opportunity to be her colleague
• 2:01:32
  as, in disciplinary in that process.
• 2:01:35
  I, when I was released, I continue to progress and
• 2:01:40
  maintain contact with so many strong women like Dana so that I
• 2:01:43
  could continue to progress. Dana opportunity. the
• 2:01:51
  opportunities out there for her are just in her own.
• 2:01:56
  I may not be able to offer a job to gain it a day but I would
• 2:02:00
  offer her and either want her to live next to me.
• 2:02:04
  I would be willing to open my home today in a mentor to me.
• 2:02:09
  Even though she does not have children, she mentors to me to
• 2:02:12
  mentor to my home, son. She headed towards me when I go
• 2:02:17
  into depression, she mentor to me and so many people that are
• 2:02:20
  in this room because she learned who she is and the power that
• 2:02:25
  she is. If she only tapped into data's
• 2:02:28
  relationship with God, his long way.
• 2:02:33
  As required. We had a chance to promise, he
• 2:02:39
  didn't know what Comedy Works and I'm on the opportunity with
• 2:02:42
  so many ladies to operate continuously in harmony with
• 2:02:45
  Dana to help see her reach her food potentially.
• 2:02:48
  Although I think there's more that I can learn from her but as
• 2:02:51
  well as to be in indelible truth that women that leads from
• 2:02:57
  saying and no matter what they've gone through that, they
• 2:03:00
  can be successful and that they have a gigantic rules of people
• 2:03:04
  willing to their embrace them, and just to see them remaining
• 2:03:07
  lullaby citizens state of Louisiana, where Thank you.
• 2:03:12
  Thank you. I guess life will hear from her
• 2:03:17
  attorney. I want to begin by
• 2:03:32
  acknowledging. The serious harm.
• 2:03:35
  In this case, Miss Caraway was an innocent woman.
• 2:03:40
  A kind woman. Who gave data a chance and was
• 2:03:45
  Gravely injured. Nothing Dana has done or could
• 2:03:52
  ever do? Will change that.
• 2:03:55
  Data carries deep, remorse and regret for the pain.
• 2:04:00
  She caused the care. We family, and she lives with
• 2:04:04
  the weight of that responsibility every day.
• 2:04:08
  Today, however, this question before this board is not whether
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  harm occurred. It did.
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  The question is whether Dana has taken responsibility.
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  Genuinely rehabilitated herself and whether the woman she is,
• 2:04:26
  now, poses a risk to Public Safety.
• 2:04:30
  Based on her, remarkable record, over the last 22 years, we
• 2:04:35
  submit to you. She has done the work, she has
• 2:04:39
  sustained it over decades and she is ready for successful
• 2:04:45
  release. About to offered the following
• 2:04:50
  context, not to excuse her athletes.
• 2:04:53
  But to explain the circumstances that shaped a single devastating
• 2:04:59
  decision that stands in stark contrast to the rest of her
• 2:05:04
  life. Data was 22 years old in the
• 2:05:07
  time, in this events. She entered adulthood without
• 2:05:10
  stability safety or support. Her childhood was marked by
• 2:05:16
  severe domestic violence addiction and abandonment.
• 2:05:22
  She recalls coming back from school into the abandoned home
• 2:05:26
  where her mother was living unable to recognize her mother.
• 2:05:31
  Due to the broken bones. Metal plates in her body's in
• 2:05:36
  her body and Staples in her head, as a result of being
• 2:05:39
  beaten. While battling a decade long
• 2:05:43
  addiction. Her father was entirely absent
• 2:05:48
  due to alcoholism and in reviewing the child transfer, he
• 2:05:53
  was quoted as saying I didn't want anything to do it.
• 2:05:58
  She grew up in an area in an environment where violence
• 2:06:04
  addiction and instability. Were constant.
• 2:06:10
  Despite that. Data worked hard to avoid,
• 2:06:15
  becoming a product of her environment.
• 2:06:16
  She worked multiple jobs to put yourself in school.
• 2:06:20
  She attended church and she stayed away from the street life
• 2:06:24
  around her. But she was living on fragile,
• 2:06:28
  flooding. A prior Court decision.
• 2:06:31
  Forging a check in a moment of desperation left her with a
• 2:06:35
  conviction, probation fees to fit these to pay and no margin
• 2:06:41
  for error. At the same time, she
• 2:06:45
  experienced a series of profound personal losses from Grandmother
• 2:06:49
  the only person who raised her and she felt loved her rejected
• 2:06:54
  her because of her sexuality. Data had also just ended the
• 2:06:58
  only long-term relationship she had ever known.
• 2:07:03
  She had unstable housing, no transportation and was
• 2:07:08
  struggling in isolation. The job she held at Microtel was
• 2:07:13
  not just employment. It was her lifeline when Dana
• 2:07:19
  receives a call that she had been fired.
• 2:07:21
  She didn't just hear that. She had lost a job.
• 2:07:27
  Experienced that as the end to the only remaining support in
• 2:07:32
  her life. That moment, triggered, a
• 2:07:36
  lifetime of Abandonment, rejection and unaddressed.
• 2:07:40
  Trauma, it was in that emotional collapse.
• 2:07:44
  She made the only violent decision in her life One that
• 2:07:50
  has one that had grave consequences that she is deeply.
• 2:07:55
  Sorry. what I am here to highlight is, what Dana did next
• 2:08:00
  and what she has done every day since Dana almost immediately
• 2:08:05
  turned herself in accepted responsibility, should invest
• 2:08:10
  her friends. I'm like guilty, she didn't
• 2:08:13
  minimize her conduct. She never shifted blame, and
• 2:08:16
  over the last 22 years, she has done it.
• 2:08:18
  Exactly what the system is designed to encourage.
• 2:08:22
  We rehabilitate accountability, service and transformation Her
• 2:08:29
  record speaks to who she is today.
• 2:08:33
  Driven by her remorse and her self Insight.
• 2:08:36
  She has deeply engaged in therapeutic, programming
• 2:08:40
  completing every class and opportunity that has been
• 2:08:44
  available to her. Including multiple rounds of
• 2:08:47
  Anger Management Stress Management depression and Trauma
• 2:08:52
  healing. She understands the root causes
• 2:08:55
  of her behavior, particularly her rejection, trauma and her
• 2:08:59
  emotional regulation skills, and has demonstrated sustained,
• 2:09:03
  emotional stability, for years. Data has relentlessly pursued
• 2:09:10
  education. She's completed multiple
• 2:09:12
  Advanced degree programs, including as you heard most
• 2:09:17
  recent one. She graduated from yesterday.
• 2:09:20
  One only need to go glanced at her record to see ordinary
• 2:09:25
  amount of work she has done to break the general generational
• 2:09:29
  cycle, for example. Department of Corrections has
• 2:09:34
  repeatedly entrusted. Dana with leadership fuels.
• 2:09:36
  She's been selected to facilitate celebrate recovery
• 2:09:39
  and life's healing choices. Supporting other women in
• 2:09:43
  marriages. Most notably she is the only
• 2:09:48
  offender selected and certified to teach the moral compass
• 2:09:53
  class. She mentors the mentors.
• 2:09:58
  She teaches them skills. Like decision-making, conflict,
• 2:10:02
  resolution and ethics. This reflects, the level of
• 2:10:07
  trust, placed in game. She improves every environment,
• 2:10:11
  she's in, she contributes. Safety and Rehabilitation in her
• 2:10:18
  mentorship in her modeling of accountability in her
• 2:10:22
  reinforcing the values that this system seeks to instill.
• 2:10:27
  For the past several years, she's worked here and
• 2:10:30
  headquarters and the Adult Services Department staff.
• 2:10:33
  Consistently described her as honest sincere and exceptionally
• 2:10:37
  hard-working one staff. Member told me, I would have no
• 2:10:42
  issue at all her living. Next story, That is Public
• 2:10:47
  Safety. I have been truly moved by the
• 2:10:51
  overwhelming support for her almost staff and administrators
• 2:10:54
  like on the movies. Dana will receive long-term
• 2:11:00
  comprehensive support, reentry support through Louisiana parole
• 2:11:05
  project. She will be released into
• 2:11:07
  structure. Supervision continuity of care.
• 2:11:13
  Stability and a huge Support Network.
• 2:11:18
  She has built meaningful pro-social relationships with
• 2:11:22
  their prison Community here at the Department of Corrections,
• 2:11:26
  and how with her family. Her mother was with her today is
• 2:11:30
  now in recovery and facing her second battle with long pants.
• 2:11:37
  If parole is denied today. Dana will not be reheard for
• 2:11:41
  another five years. Time.
• 2:11:44
  She may not have with her own mother.
• 2:11:48
  Granting parole in this case aligns with the goals of this
• 2:11:52
  board. Dana is exactly the person who
• 2:11:56
  is designed for someone to transformed herself.
• 2:12:02
  Was this old risk and it is ready for reintegration.
• 2:12:08
  To continue the service and the transformation.
• 2:12:12
  From inside to here. She is not the same person, she
• 2:12:16
  was at 22. She is a discipline self-aware.
• 2:12:20
  Intelligent hard-working woman who has done everything in her
• 2:12:24
  power to ensure nothing like this ever happens again.
• 2:12:31
  These reasons. Respectfully request.
• 2:12:36
  Granting parole in this case, it's not really but consistent,
• 2:12:41
  but the goals of the system interests of Public Safety.
• 2:12:45
  And so we asked, please Grant the opportunity to continue to
• 2:12:49
  serve the remainder of percentage of supervision.
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  Thank you, thank you, thank you so much.
• 2:13:01
  We have some. People are in opposition. and is
• 2:13:13
  the challenge. You know, we'll just see
• 2:13:18
  clearly. Okay?
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  Oh, Mr. Hester. Yes sir.
• 2:13:26
  He go ahead and tell us what you would like to tell us.
• 2:13:29
  Please I'm gonna let my wife go first, if that's okay.
• 2:13:34
  Yeah, I just want to clarify, I'm not Cindy.
• 2:13:37
  Caraway's daughter, I'm her daughter-in-law Her daughter was
• 2:13:40
  trying to get on here but was unsuccessful and being able to
• 2:13:43
  be let in. She didn't want to speak, but
• 2:13:46
  she did want to be present and noted that she is also in
• 2:13:49
  opposition. I want to start off by showing
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  you. Because she can't be here today.
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  Because then be careway passed away.
• 2:14:07
  In 2020 due to the mental illness, that she is suffered
• 2:14:12
  from this. Yeah, hanging yes, act this,
• 2:14:18
  this decision that Dana decided to do from that day forward.
• 2:14:24
  While we say it's attempted murder actually.
• 2:14:26
  On that day she did Kill Cindy Caraway. and this is who Cindy
• 2:14:33
  Caraway is or was and I want you to see her face, and to remember
• 2:14:40
  that, Because my children never got to know what their
• 2:14:45
  grandmother prior to this in an incident.
• 2:14:49
  She was never the same from that day forward.
• 2:14:53
  She didn't smile like she used to, she would spend a day and
• 2:15:00
  Awake. Because she couldn't fall
• 2:15:02
  asleep. Because when she fell asleep,
• 2:15:04
  nightmares came. She was distant.
• 2:15:10
  She was not, she was a shell of the person that she used to be.
• 2:15:15
  My kids, my sister lost kids, never got to really know who she
• 2:15:19
  was and she battled mental health until our very last
• 2:15:23
  breath when she took her life because she couldn't do it
• 2:15:26
  anymore. We sit here, I'm listening to
• 2:15:34
  Everyone's say about how Dana has taken accountability.
• 2:15:38
  I didn't I heard her say she's sorry today.
• 2:15:44
  That's all I heard. I heard her talking about
• 2:15:49
  herself, just like, she's always done.
• 2:15:51
  She was so selfish. On that day, she was thinking
• 2:15:56
  about herself and she downplayed it when she talked.
• 2:16:02
  And she said that she was fired according to Miss Cindy.
• 2:16:06
  She wasn't fired. She asked Dana to come in and
• 2:16:09
  have a talk with her. and, Let's just say she was fired.
• 2:16:15
  You bring a gun with you. To talk about being fired.
• 2:16:22
  Who does that? That's not somebody that went
• 2:16:26
  there with the intention of talking that somebody who went
• 2:16:29
  there with the intention of an action.
• 2:16:34
  Her intention was to shoot her. You don't bring a gun to have a
• 2:16:39
  talk. And while I hear everybody talk
• 2:16:43
  about how how she's found God, I am so happy that she has because
• 2:16:48
  she needed God and I am so happy for that.
• 2:16:52
  That does not excuse what she did on that day and the
• 2:16:57
  punishment that she should have to have for that crime.
• 2:17:02
  God doesn't say, just because you found me does means that You
• 2:17:08
  don't you don't have a punishment when I punish my kid.
• 2:17:11
  I don't let them off early because they've made some good
• 2:17:14
  choices and then we can talk about that as well.
• 2:17:18
  We can talk about how they said for 22 years.
• 2:17:21
  She's been this amazing role model.
• 2:17:23
  Well, records that I ever received. 38 pages of it.
• 2:17:30
  Say differently and we could talk about those and 2009.
• 2:17:34
  She was in trouble for self-mutilation, 2012 fighting
• 2:17:39
  2012 a loud argument dispute, 2014 Defiance 2012 and 2014.
• 2:17:48
  Contraband the 2012, aggravated Disobedience, and 2006 to 2009,
• 2:17:56
  and 2015. Property destruction in 2012.
• 2:18:02
  Threatening behavior in 2013. She was in an unauthorized area
• 2:18:07
  twice in 2006. She had disobedience in 2007
• 2:18:12
  twice in 2009, and 2012 and then my personal favorite aggravated
• 2:18:19
  sexual offense in 2018. That does not sound like a role
• 2:18:25
  model, the entire 22 years that she's been in prison.
• 2:18:29
  That sounds like somebody that was still actively.
• 2:18:34
  Not making good choices. And where, you know?
• 2:18:43
  We're supposed to trust that she goes into parole.
• 2:18:45
  What if she gets in trouble again?
• 2:18:49
  What happened? The last time?
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  She thought she was fired when she was on probation or parole.
• 2:18:54
  What did she chose to do? She chose to get a gun.
• 2:19:01
  Call like a cab. Have the cab bring her to
• 2:19:05
  Microtel Inn. Get out of that cab.
• 2:19:08
  With a god asked the cab driver to wait for her.
• 2:19:13
  Walk into Microtel. Confront Miss Cindy and other
• 2:19:18
  employees in the washing area where they wash the towels and
• 2:19:23
  stuff. Pull out the gun and point it at
• 2:19:27
  her head. Miss Cindy terrified walks out
• 2:19:33
  the door and takes off running down the hall and Dana schutz.
• 2:19:37
  Her Takes the gun. Puts it back in, whatever.
• 2:19:41
  She had it in walks to the cab. Tells him to bring her back to
• 2:19:46
  her home, where she gets out, brings that gun and hides it
• 2:19:51
  underneath the mattress of a baby carriage, or something to
• 2:19:55
  that nature. She didn't turn herself in, they
• 2:19:58
  found her but because she stiffed, the cab driver, and he
• 2:20:02
  called and reported it. What of that?
• 2:20:10
  Is fair. What of that?
• 2:20:14
  Like what happens if she gets in trouble this time?
• 2:20:21
  I want to believe that God has made a big change in her and I
• 2:20:25
  hope to, I hope that he did. but that doesn't take away what she
• 2:20:29
  did and the fact that she should serve every single minute of her
• 2:20:36
  sentence because the truth is Miss Cindy served a life
• 2:20:42
  sentence with no possibility of parole.
• 2:20:47
  Her family has served a life sentence.
• 2:20:50
  We have to go each day without her here because of what Dana
• 2:20:55
  chose to do on that day. Over a stupid job.
• 2:21:07
  And David didn't apologize to all the other people.
• 2:21:10
  It affected, of course, it affected Miss Cindy and her
• 2:21:13
  family. But what about the people that
• 2:21:15
  the other co-workers that stood there and watched her shoot?
• 2:21:19
  Someone what about the people that were at that hotel that
• 2:21:22
  heard gunshots and were probably terrified for their lives.
• 2:21:25
  Not knowing what was going on. And all Dana was worried about
• 2:21:32
  was herself and when I hear her sit here and ask for parole and
• 2:21:36
  all the things that she's done to make herself better, all I
• 2:21:40
  hear is selfishness. It's still about her.
• 2:21:45
  If she was truly sorry, she wouldn't put us through this
• 2:21:49
  again. She would take her punishment.
• 2:21:55
  And that would be it if you're sorry.
• 2:21:58
  That's how you show your sorry. Thank you.
• 2:22:08
  Thank you. so, Look, I'm all for turning your life around, you
• 2:22:16
  know, and doing what you're supposed to do.
• 2:22:18
  But we're all we're all have problems in life.
• 2:22:22
  We deal with bringing a gun to shoot someone because you
• 2:22:25
  thought you were good fired. You have to go back to jail.
• 2:22:27
  It's not good. You.
• 2:22:32
  The debt day she got start. When she found give me Martin
• 2:22:36
  know she committed murder. It was a Slow Burn.
• 2:22:40
  For 20 something years. I've had to watch my mom who was
• 2:22:44
  the most loving, we get everybody's second chance to be
• 2:22:48
  the greatest. Give you sure off their back,
• 2:22:49
  deteriorating in front of my eyes.
• 2:22:53
  We go back and watch home movies and you can see the dressing
• 2:22:56
  different from the day. She was before she was shot and
• 2:23:01
  life is never been the same. We talked many nights about
• 2:23:04
  nightmares. She said she would just have
• 2:23:07
  nightmares about Dana. Putting a gun to her head.
• 2:23:11
  And putting the gun to my mom's face that day and tell her.
• 2:23:15
  She's gonna shoot in my mom runs away, and you cowardly, shoot
• 2:23:18
  her in the back. Full intent to kill her because
• 2:23:21
  nobody If it didn't premeditated, nobody has the cab
• 2:23:25
  weight, nobody brings a gun, nobody hides the gun
• 2:23:28
  undercarriage. When they arrested Danish, she
• 2:23:30
  was smiling the whole time just like, oh great.
• 2:23:34
  We go to court. The day for sentencing, she just
• 2:23:37
  tells us basically it's done. Let me live my life. well,
• 2:23:42
  literally, she know the domino effect she created and they said
• 2:23:46
  here, it's like there's just praising how great she is.
• 2:23:49
  Like, she did not murder somebody with the like she
• 2:23:52
  emerged. Somebody my mom, I'm happy your
• 2:23:55
  mom's there and I'm sorry, she's doing well, not well with her
• 2:23:58
  health and stuff, but I'm on here because you decided you
• 2:24:03
  were gonna take her life overall minimum wage job.
• 2:24:11
  To this day I still see your face in that smile when they
• 2:24:14
  arresting you Mr. Hester, would you address your remarks to the
• 2:24:18
  board? Yes, I still see her smile in
• 2:24:21
  her face that day. They arrested her.
• 2:24:25
  The day we're sitting in court and we're having.
• 2:24:27
  She's my mom sitting there and just you can tell she was so
• 2:24:31
  nervous. She threw up constantly that day
• 2:24:33
  because she her biggest fear was she's gonna have to see the
• 2:24:36
  person to take the tempted to take her life.
• 2:24:38
  Or I'm sorry, took her life that day.
• 2:24:41
  And had that all gases to turn and tell the people.
• 2:24:45
  Basically get over it. Let me live my life.
• 2:24:49
  I'm All turning your life around rehabilitating, but we come from
• 2:24:53
  a world where if you do your crime you should do your time
• 2:24:57
  after the 30 years. so be But I have to tell my kids every day.
• 2:25:05
  When we watch videos and stuff, well, I'm Gonna Change.
• 2:25:08
  Well, I was like this now I said, because someone decided
• 2:25:12
  they were going to play judge and executioner and decided to
• 2:25:15
  take her life. You know, I can't tell people
• 2:25:20
  that my mom took her own life because that's not her, they're
• 2:25:24
  not knowledge, but I just had to tell people.
• 2:25:25
  Oh she was sick. But she was mentally sick
• 2:25:27
  because somebody decided they were going to take her life or a
• 2:25:32
  minimum wage job. Like I I'm not trying to be Out
• 2:25:39
  a place. I apologize for my tone but this
• 2:25:41
  is this is heartbreaking. We were going to do this a
• 2:25:44
  couple years ago right after she died.
• 2:25:46
  And we're trying to figure things out but she got in
• 2:25:48
  trouble so she could get paroled.
• 2:25:50
  So the praise her and preacher. Oh, she's been a model citizen,
• 2:25:53
  man. We have a list.
• 2:25:56
  Like we've been keeping up with everything.
• 2:25:58
  And who's to say she gets done and she doesn't come retaliate
• 2:26:01
  it. Somebody else over a job.
• 2:26:02
  Like my wife said, you get fired, If you do the crime, you
• 2:26:08
  do the time. That's plaintiff.
• 2:26:11
  That's how the rule books are, really.
• 2:26:14
  Your Sinister 30 years. If you're good, all 30 years, or
• 2:26:18
  25 years, you can get out of it. Great.
• 2:26:23
  She wasn't good. She thought oh, I'm sorry.
• 2:26:27
  But what I did to you, that person said, I'm sorry, what
• 2:26:30
  they did to their family. That's the first time And I'm
• 2:26:36
  asking you as someone who is a father, a son, misses, their
• 2:26:41
  mom, every day. When you get anything to have a
• 2:26:43
  conversation with her, Who can't still to this day to this number
• 2:26:48
  from his phone. Juice.
• 2:26:53
  Please do the right thing and make her server time.
• 2:26:57
  That's all I ask. Thank you, my sister and my
• 2:27:02
  wife, both battling breast cancer.
• 2:27:06
  Well, my sister is my wife, we're dealing with that.
• 2:27:09
  My mom should be here today sitting with her daughter.
• 2:27:13
  Why she battles this cancer? But no, she has to go out at a
• 2:27:16
  long. So I'm asking the last thing
• 2:27:19
  please do the right thing and make her server time.
• 2:27:23
  Thank you. Thank you.
• 2:27:24
  Thank you. Is that all of the?
• 2:27:37
  Session, please. Um, yeah.
• 2:27:41
  I mean a couple questions and when did you get to gun from?
• 2:27:49
  I found it and I had it because of the area that I stayed in
• 2:27:54
  because it was high crime and high violence.
• 2:27:56
  I kept it for protection because I stayed with me, I stayed with
• 2:28:00
  my cousin and we were the only female and I would have to keep
• 2:28:04
  I would have the catch the bus early in the morning and it will
• 2:28:07
  be dark. Okay, so you found it, you
• 2:28:10
  didn't buy it or get it. No, sorry my friend.
• 2:28:14
  Anything no. All right, I have no further
• 2:28:21
  questions. Um, I was gonna ask the same
• 2:28:26
  question. There's I think there was
• 2:28:28
  something in the record that said you actually went and
• 2:28:31
  sought out the gun. And those no man.
• 2:28:36
  So I do want to well, congratulations on your your
• 2:28:41
  graduation and your educational achievement.
• 2:28:44
  I wanted to ask you a couple of things.
• 2:28:47
  We heard the Hester's Ms, caraway's family talk about Your
• 2:28:53
  conduct right after. Yes, ma'am.
• 2:28:55
  Yes, you know what? I have to agree with.
• 2:28:58
  Some of it is concerning, but it seems like things changed in
• 2:29:03
  2016 started to change rather. And that's when you seemed to be
• 2:29:08
  more focused, what was it? That clicked in you.
• 2:29:14
  The one that's on death recorded, at least.
• 2:29:16
  That's when things started to change.
• 2:29:18
  They thought it started to change because I had to change.
• 2:29:21
  And it's true. God did change me.
• 2:29:23
  And it was right before. My mom had really got diagnosed
• 2:29:28
  and I'm knew that I had to change and The things that I had
• 2:29:34
  done. That wasn't me.
• 2:29:40
  You mean the things with things he's find that the reports like
• 2:29:45
  the unauthorized area, the the Defiance, and the aggravated
• 2:29:51
  disobedience. Because I was raised that I am a
• 2:29:55
  person of respect. I'm a person of integrity.
• 2:30:02
  So, I do notice she took a couple of victims, programs,
• 2:30:06
  what did you get out of that? Well, that's a Victims Impact.
• 2:30:09
  I learned that. I'm not only, I learned how I
• 2:30:13
  really affected the family mentally, physically and
• 2:30:16
  psychologically. I learned that affected my
• 2:30:18
  family but even more. So those that were around me
• 2:30:23
  That wasn't directly affected, but they were still affected by
• 2:30:26
  my poor choice. So, I'm just trying to trying to
• 2:30:35
  get in my head is to, you know, why?
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  Why did you Pull the gun out on Miss Caraway.
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  Just Cynthia. What was that her hand?
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  And how that? During that time of my life, I
• 2:30:52
  had suffered so much rejection. And it was mainly due to my
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  mother's drug addiction for 31 years.
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  My father's alcohol problem. And I had just felt like so much
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  have been taken from me and I went that day.
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  With the, with the intentions of begging for my job and I just
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  became so overwhelmed with anger and just feeling like the only
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  person who was really giving me a chance was now rejecting me.
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  and it was like, I lost my mind, like, like I was on my body,
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  like, I committed a crime that I would have never done if I was
• 2:31:30
  in my right mind. I'm not.
• 2:31:31
  I wasn't a violent person, and I'm not a violent person now.
• 2:31:34
  So coming to prison. I was determined not.
• 2:31:40
  To be the person who fell prey to violence through rejection,
• 2:31:44
  where I worked on myself. Watching anger management
• 2:31:46
  multiple times. I learned how to deal with
• 2:31:49
  conflicts and I learned how to find positive resolution.
• 2:31:52
  I developed a coping skills where difficulties and
• 2:31:55
  challenges, they don't govern my emotions, they don't government
• 2:31:58
  my life. And then I've developed a
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  support network leaders and mentors who've encouraged me and
• 2:32:05
  motivated me, to be honest to be to live in Integrity.
• 2:32:09
  Which in turns do those things, I've learned how to Mentor other
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  women and to show them how to deal with the struggles.
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  I had as a child myself. Okay, thank you, Mr. Tillis has
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  made a motion for executive a second.
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  We have a second by Mister friend without objection.
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  We're going to convenience executive session to discuss
• 2:32:31
  confidential matters. It's 10:39, we'll be right back.
• 2:32:37
  They will sort of be right back. So I'm gonna leave it there for
• 2:32:42
  right now and in the fourth hour we will go back.
• 2:32:45
  We will see what their decision is and we will discuss this just
• 2:32:49
  a little bit. So stick around cuz on the
• 2:32:53
  docket for TCF overtime, I have discussion on this as well as
• 2:32:58
  discussion on her man and anything else that might come up
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  so be sure to join me there. We don't go here off often but
• 2:33:06
  it's always a good time. At least, I think it is.
• 2:33:10
  Commonwealth of Kentucky, Judge David Williams.
• 2:33:13
  Now, been moved over into the Supreme Court District with
• 2:33:17
  Bowling Green and Glasgow and he was going to come down here
• 2:33:20
  today. So, all of you welcome, we'll
• 2:33:22
  take a brief. Pause at 11 and let him
• 2:33:25
  introduce himself here. He's going to come and make
• 2:33:28
  himself. Welcome in an oak county.
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  Are you Catherine? Carmichael.
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  Yes, sir, you born in 1982 92 92?
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  Yes, sir. Well last four.
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  Zero. You have an attorney here today.
• 2:33:44
  What's the deal here? Came out of Fortune or no, I
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  can't. I just, I was waiting to be a
• 2:33:51
  rain. So I can start looking at kind
• 2:33:52
  of figuring out where I needed to go from there.
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  As far as hiring it. Yeah, next time.
• 2:33:57
  If you were getting died again, it's good to start fearing out
• 2:34:00
  before you come up here, I'm for the purpose of a rain man.
• 2:34:02
  I'm gonna let the public because he office standing.
• 2:34:06
  You have a main silent. You have any questions you can
• 2:34:09
  step back and ask her, okay? The Grainger in Monroe County
• 2:34:14
  has returned. Invite my charge, you a position
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  to control substance first degree.
• 2:34:19
  Or, or greater events. Position of marijuana physician
• 2:34:25
  of drug paraphernalia tampering with physical evidence.
• 2:34:31
  Being a persistent film Defender.
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  You understand those sharks. Counselor, you acknowledge the
• 2:34:37
  identity of miscarry, the indictment waveform already and
• 2:34:42
  intervene, not guilty, reserving all free, trial, most
• 2:34:46
  Electronics. I'm saying.
• 2:34:48
  Typical Discovery order. I will let you know when you get
• 2:34:52
  in, are you going to get a private attorney?
• 2:34:53
  You think? Yeah, you need the private
• 2:34:55
  attorney to contact come with Attorneys Office to get this
• 2:34:59
  discovery information about your case, okay?
• 2:35:01
  And you need to be present with your attorney on February 6th
• 2:35:08
  here at 9 a.m. We're going to go see oceans and
• 2:35:11
  your next court date is February.
• 2:35:13
  Okay? You just give her the
• 2:35:19
  endowments, if you want to great.
• 2:35:22
  Thank you. Yeah Jonathan Clark.
• 2:35:27
  Come over versus Jonathan Clark. I have, there's an active
• 2:35:32
  warrant out for Mr. Clarke, this morning.
• 2:35:36
  Did you take him into custody or no?
• 2:35:40
  Okay, that's okay. Mr. Clarke We born in 1974, they
• 2:35:48
  start last four days. We're on 25 CR 0 0, 76 for
• 2:35:54
  Raymond, you have an attorney, you know, I mean, talks with one
• 2:35:58
  but I don't, it ain't guaranteed yet.
• 2:36:01
  Okay, well that's public advocacy.
• 2:36:03
  Just stand in for the purpose of your Reign, but okay.
• 2:36:08
  Now you think you can afford an attorney or, you know, you don't
• 2:36:12
  have much, they want. That's always true.
• 2:36:14
  If it's a million probably can't afford it, ten dollars, probably
• 2:36:18
  get Mr. Carter for 10 dollars and you get in this car for $10.
• 2:36:23
  Well, you've lost him for 10, right?
• 2:36:24
  I guess it's probably can't be probably gonna have here on his
• 2:36:28
  mission to Carmichael Mr. Clarke and William Underwood or all
• 2:36:33
  coat of Phoenix. Yeah, so they're coming here and
• 2:36:35
  they said they won't give me the Turning if they don't get one
• 2:36:38
  and he's probably gonna get conflict.
• 2:36:39
  Yes, we go. I'm gonna get conflict
• 2:36:47
  counseling. Yeah, Rochester.
• 2:36:50
  Maine. South Grainger Monroe county is
• 2:36:54
  trying to end up and charging position control substance first
• 2:36:57
  degree. Third or greater France position
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  of marijuana position drug paraphernalia.
• 2:37:06
  Champion of physical evidence being a persistent.
• 2:37:09
  Fell intended. You understand those charges?
• 2:37:11
  Counselor? Do you acknowledge the receiving
• 2:37:15
  indictment? The identity of your client way?
• 2:37:16
  For more region or anything? Not guilty.
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  Reserving all Yes, Sir, Charles Center reciprocal Discovery
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  order here. buys them do that you Take a seat here.
• 2:37:29
  Somehow, when we finish with you and heal it, do an affidavit to
• 2:37:33
  see if I can permanently appoint public, because he's represents
• 2:37:37
  you, you be here on February 6th at 9 a.m. for negotiation and
• 2:37:44
  you don't qualify for public good.
• 2:37:46
  You need to have a lawyer here that day, and then on the night
• 2:37:50
  19, you'll be back here. So the six were negotiation 19th
• 2:37:54
  and export date. Okay.
• 2:38:07
  Well, we wait for the next contestant reminder.
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  Sidebar tonight APM Eastern 5 p.m.
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  Pacific. You need to join us for sidebar
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  because the audience is in control.
• 2:38:18
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• 2:38:21
  that's what we're going to talk about tonight.
• 2:38:23
  So it should be fun as well. Channel members reminder, you
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  can join me live during the fourth hour, which were what
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  about 25 minutes or so away from that?
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  there is a link in the Discord in the member announcements and
• 2:38:38
  Sidebar channel members, there's a link in our private chat for
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  you guys as well. Good morning.
• 2:38:52
  He was transported from the facility.
• 2:38:55
  That facility was all. I don't know, population, growth
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  City. Yeah, and I spoke with Mr.
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  Stockton. If we can set this over to the
• 2:39:08
  February date, I attended the conference to put a negotiate.
• 2:39:12
  But we can set it over one day. Yeah, one day, you know.
• 2:39:15
  In play next time we'll be getting a trial.
• 2:39:17
  Pussy charged with it. Just charged with tracking.
• 2:39:21
  The hang-up is he's got a 20-year sentence from a jury
• 2:39:24
  trial and still got 12 years left on his parole.
• 2:39:26
  So I don't anticipate anything other than the trial because
• 2:39:29
  he's convicted, he's going to have to serve out.
• 2:39:31
  He's gonna have his role of those and I and while all this
• 2:39:35
  was painting, I think the parole board or somebody sending the
• 2:39:38
  long term treatment. I don't know what happened.
• 2:39:41
  Oh, how do you start getting transported?
• 2:39:44
  If you're not getting transported, that I didn't do a
• 2:39:47
  transporter, I just gotten in the case, like, Thursday last
• 2:39:50
  week. February, the 6th for
• 2:39:54
  negotiation, February 19th. Must have his client, praise.
• 2:40:02
  Joshua Pedego. What kind of bond?
• 2:40:16
  That's what you're saying? What kind of bond did I sit on
• 2:40:19
  Mr. Jones. I don't really know how I got
• 2:40:25
  somebody out Loose, it's good. For 13 years on the shelf and I
• 2:40:30
  gotten loose on what kind of bond was. 200000.
• 2:40:36
  He made that. So we'll revisit that he's been
• 2:40:43
  on that long since September 20th.
• 2:40:45
  Yeah, he first had public advocate, he just kind of been
• 2:40:49
  playing the system and delaying the case but it's not going to
• 2:40:51
  be delayed much like okay. You're Joshua Pedego?
• 2:40:55
  Yes. Good morning.
• 2:40:56
  You're on 25. CR. 0 0. 7 3.
• 2:41:01
  We born in 1986. Yes.
• 2:41:04
  Last four digits. Yes.
• 2:41:08
  Do you have an attorney not yet? Well, I want no.
• 2:41:13
  I wouldn't I didn't know, I needed one today.
• 2:41:16
  I thought this was where I was for the purpose of arraignment
• 2:41:20
  public Advocate, stay in. Yeah, the green jury of Monroe
• 2:41:30
  County, he's charged. You were trafficking to go Subs
• 2:41:33
  first position control. So since and secondary And
• 2:41:38
  position. So it's not original tank
• 2:41:41
  containing, you know, charges Counselor, you acknowledged
• 2:41:46
  identity, Mr. Pedego, the fact that you've received indictments
• 2:41:49
  way formal reading and Raymond Innovative not getting the
• 2:41:51
  serving out free trial motions. Yes, Google Discovery order
• 2:41:57
  requires provide Information. You concerning preparation.
• 2:42:03
  Your case. You'd be with an attorney here.
• 2:42:09
  February 6th at 9 a.m. for negotiation.
• 2:42:13
  February 19th is your next court appearance.
• 2:42:19
  You need to have attorneys there.
• 2:42:20
  I'm not going to tear. I'm only something that.
• 2:42:23
  Okay, I'll be fine. Thank you.
• 2:42:27
  Stay on the same Bond, Rhonda, Shinning.
• 2:42:39
  Catherine Carmichael, qualifies Republican.
• 2:42:50
  Heather. Next time, I want to do this and
• 2:43:01
  I just keep that day. Today, are you running to
• 2:43:09
  shining they say your last name? Yes.
• 2:43:12
  Okay. This 25 CR 0 0. 60.
• 2:43:16
  When you born in that he said, It, you have a pre-trial
• 2:43:24
  conference, you represented the office of public and to see what
• 2:43:28
  do we have going on here. We have a preach on diversion
• 2:43:31
  earlier. Okay.
• 2:43:35
  Just been informed emotions been tendered that says you wish to
• 2:43:39
  enter plea today is that correct.
• 2:43:40
  Are you currently under the influence of drugs or alcohol?
• 2:43:43
  Yes, this is plea, freely and voluntarily giving.
• 2:43:46
  Yes, are you the same person that we just identified in 25
• 2:43:50
  CR, 060? Yes, sir, is your judgment
• 2:43:53
  prepared today and discussed this chart, the charges, we your
• 2:43:58
  attorney, are you satisfied with her boss?
• 2:44:00
  If you fully informed about the case you need to have sex,
• 2:44:04
  right? you understand that you do not
• 2:44:06
  have to enter guilty plea today, you have certain rights on the
• 2:44:09
  Kentucky and United States Constitution For I can accept
• 2:44:13
  this plea. I need to know that.
• 2:44:15
  You understand those rights? You have right now to testify
• 2:44:17
  against yourself. No one can make you say anything
• 2:44:20
  and write speed trial by jury, right to be represented by
• 2:44:23
  counsel at your trial, the right to confronting cross, examine
• 2:44:26
  all Witnesses called to testify against you write 7 minutes,
• 2:44:29
  right? Call Witnesses in favor and have
• 2:44:31
  processes. You can tell her attendance.
• 2:44:33
  You have a right to peel this matter to higher court if you
• 2:44:36
  lose and write the private combo, the reason without that
• 2:44:38
  you guilty charge against you, understand it and guilty they
• 2:44:41
  give up all is right. That make us into the compost,
• 2:44:44
  recommendation, and I may apply range, just provide a lot.
• 2:44:47
  I don't have to accepting Brickman.
• 2:44:48
  I don't accept the comments recommendation decide to impose
• 2:44:51
  harsher sentence. You have a right to draw.
• 2:44:54
  You believe in procedure trout. You understand that?
• 2:44:56
  Yes, you should qualifying questions and you previously
• 2:44:59
  been diverted in the last five years?
• 2:45:01
  Yes. He always in the past 10 years.
• 2:45:04
  Are you currently on probation? Yes you understand if you
• 2:45:07
  complete the diversion program, that but if you don't
• 2:45:16
  successfully completed, you brought back in front of me and
• 2:45:18
  I revoke your child conversion schedule sensing here you can
• 2:45:22
  convicted filling and that could be used against if you
• 2:45:35
  It becomes wealth agrees, dismissed possession of drug
• 2:45:39
  paraphernalia which is a class A Mystery upon the plea guilty, to
• 2:45:43
  possession of controlled substance 1st degree, and
• 2:45:46
  feminine is finished. So, receive a sense of three
• 2:45:48
  years pre-trial. Diverted for five years,
• 2:45:50
  supervised did finish, our receive credit for time served.
• 2:45:53
  The defendant shall be referred to the Social Service clinician
• 2:45:58
  and following any no recommendations of the
• 2:46:00
  clinician. The Defenders to have any and
• 2:46:03
  all evidence above case forfeit extra consistent.
• 2:46:06
  Couple of Kentucky, it is understood that this offer has
• 2:46:10
  made by the Commonwealth is not buying a combo's until
• 2:46:13
  somebody's attorneys spectrum. That Is that what you?
• 2:46:24
  Are you playing guilty to the indictment?
• 2:46:26
  Is a ninja because you did commit, the acts charges in your
• 2:46:32
  own free will explain it to his serious proceed with the police.
• 2:46:38
  And while the court fiction punishment within the range from
• 2:46:41
  the laws that correct? Yes, it's your son, is that your
• 2:46:45
  signature on the motion offering diversion or was a court cost in
• 2:46:52
  this case 360 bad, you need some time to pay their thirty dollars
• 2:46:57
  a month. The first payment, due 30 days
• 2:47:00
  from day. That'll get your time.
• 2:47:01
  Get on your feet a little bit. Okay, you need to be the
• 2:47:04
  probation parole officer out there.
• 2:47:07
  Robert Simpson, Robert Simpson. Come over versus Robertson 24
• 2:47:17
  ad. 24 CR, rather 0079, you are Robert.
• 2:47:25
  Simpson is born in 1991 is last four days.
• 2:47:31
  One is a great. Mr. Carter, and you had an
• 2:47:36
  opportunity to review the presence of Investigation board
• 2:47:39
  member probation. Parolees, is it substantially
• 2:47:42
  correct? His cars in your reasons.
• 2:47:44
  Should not be sentence. Know you're The traffic control
• 2:47:49
  substance first degree First Defense Smith.
• 2:47:51
  And he just the defendants show, receive a sentence of five years
• 2:47:56
  probated, for five years. She created for time.
• 2:48:00
  Serve shall have employment. Are you now?
• 2:48:06
  Swims and Farm. All evidence would be destroyed
• 2:48:11
  court costs $240. You need some time to pay the
• 2:48:15
  court costs. I'll let you pay it, thirty
• 2:48:16
  dollars a month. First payment due, 30 days and
• 2:48:19
  today, okay. Thank you.
• 2:48:20
  Need me to the probation parole officer.
• 2:48:24
  William Underwood. Let's change it up a little bit.
• 2:48:28
  We'll head back up to Michigan. Spend some time with judge
• 2:48:31
  Simpson. He'll probably take us into the
• 2:48:32
  fourth hour. I know.
• 2:48:34
  I'm sure you. What's your name?
• 2:48:37
  James? Was it cold up here, is that
• 2:48:40
  way? Oh okay, just checking.
• 2:48:43
  All right. What are we doing?
• 2:48:44
  You're on her. Requesting a two week at German.
• 2:48:47
  I got the discovery yesterday. So I need to meet with Mr.
• 2:48:50
  Holmes, go through it and see where we're going to go.
• 2:48:52
  Well, because conference February 5th. 20269 a.m. thank
• 2:48:58
  you. Because people versus John
• 2:49:04
  Brown. Her children on behalf, the
• 2:49:09
  people you're on her. And assistant.
• 2:49:13
  Public defender. Natalie, Kate and on behalf of
• 2:49:15
  Mr. Jones. Am I right?
• 2:49:18
  John Brown, how you doing here? I'm doing very well.
• 2:49:21
  The court has before it a platform.
• 2:49:25
  That's what we're doing today. That is Crutcher.
• 2:49:27
  He's gonna plead guilty to an added count, two of use of a
• 2:49:31
  control substance that being Fentanyl. a misdemeanor
• 2:49:35
  punishable by up to one year upon Successively to that charge
• 2:49:39
  account. One would be dismissed.
• 2:49:43
  And they sent to judge waiver boxes and check but I'm sorry,
• 2:49:47
  your honor that we didn't come over that.
• 2:49:49
  Yes. All right, very well could I
• 2:49:58
  have almost wear her firms testimony State and spell your
• 2:50:07
  name? John Brown sir.
• 2:50:10
  It is his court to understanding that, you're going to be
• 2:50:11
  pleading guilty to the charge of use of fat.
• 2:50:15
  That is a misdemeanor. So I have one year incarceration
• 2:50:18
  and 2000 fine. Post Court cost.
• 2:50:20
  You understand that? Yes.
• 2:50:24
  You also want to understand that while I'm taking your play.
• 2:50:26
  I would not be your sentencing good.
• 2:50:27
  You would be sentenced before just washing and 14 B District
• 2:50:31
  Court. Yes, sir.
• 2:50:32
  I understand that? Yes.
• 2:50:34
  All right. So we guilty yes to that charge.
• 2:50:39
  How do you play guilty? Are you understand it by
• 2:50:42
  pleading guilty? You'll not have a trial of any
• 2:50:43
  kind? Yes, sir.
• 2:50:44
  All right, you signed an advice of Rights warmer went over one
• 2:50:48
  with your console. Yeah.
• 2:50:50
  Any questions regarding any of those rights?
• 2:50:53
  Please look at paragraph five. You'll see a copy on the podium.
• 2:50:56
  Those are your rights which are part of a trial, you understand
• 2:50:59
  by pleading guilty, you'll be giving up those rights as well
• 2:51:01
  as all the right from. Therefore, yes, right.
• 2:51:03
  You understand you're giving up your right to appeal of Yes.
• 2:51:06
  Are you on probation or Pearl? I am probation, were you on
• 2:51:11
  probation at the time of this offense?
• 2:51:13
  Um, no, yes, yes, I was. You were okay.
• 2:51:17
  I do have to advise you then. The yearly in this case, could
• 2:51:22
  be considered a violation of your probation.
• 2:51:24
  Yeah, I was poking my probation officer.
• 2:51:26
  She was going on, all right. After advise you, if it is
• 2:51:30
  considered, violation, that Court could set you to the
• 2:51:33
  maximum allowable under that other charge.
• 2:51:35
  You understand that? Yes.
• 2:51:36
  All right, and understanding that, you still wish, to plead
• 2:51:39
  guilty to this church. Yes.
• 2:51:40
  All right, has anybody promised you anything otherwise would say
• 2:51:44
  here to get you to play now? Sorry, anybody threaten you
• 2:51:47
  record? You're doing this voluntarily.
• 2:51:50
  That's right of your own free will.
• 2:51:53
  Yeah. And because you believe that you
• 2:51:55
  are guilty. This about I am guilty.
• 2:52:00
  January 24th 2025 at the location of 49230 Michigan
• 2:52:06
  Avenue and Ypsilanti Township Washington County state of
• 2:52:08
  Michigan. Did you have fentanyl in your
• 2:52:10
  possession? Yes.
• 2:52:12
  As you used it. I it was it was impale form.
• 2:52:16
  I didn't know it was fitting all, but yes, I did use.
• 2:52:20
  I did take one. I'll show you didn't know you
• 2:52:24
  had fentanyl in your possession. It was an apartment.
• 2:52:28
  I thought I had bought a Percocet pill.
• 2:52:33
  So you didn't know what you were using, was that?
• 2:52:38
  Ignored know, didn't know. But you knew.
• 2:52:46
  Okay. But it was a Percocet.
• 2:52:48
  You thought you? Yes, I know.
• 2:52:51
  It was illegal that I didn't have a prescription for not have
• 2:52:54
  a prescription for and so, so you were in possession of a
• 2:53:00
  controlled substance that you shouldn't have been in
• 2:53:02
  possession of correct. All right.
• 2:53:04
  Then there's a number always, I can do it hired if I accept your
• 2:53:11
  plea, he, you have to, I need to apply you that if you could If
• 2:53:18
  you commit, misconduct is find it in Michigan, court rules
• 2:53:21
  between the time of my acceptance rate playing the time
• 2:53:23
  of your sentencing, the court would no longer be bound by any
• 2:53:26
  sense of evaluation or recommendation and you would not
• 2:53:28
  be entitled to withdraw your plea to understand that.
• 2:53:31
  I understand sir Council, are you aware of any other promises
• 2:53:34
  threats or other engagements? Which have led to this place?
• 2:53:36
  Know, you're honor. No, your honor.
• 2:53:39
  Okay and have As the core complied with the court.
• 2:53:44
  People satisfied. Our Yes, your honour.
• 2:53:47
  Court. Well accepted.
• 2:53:48
  Please count to count one. Is dismissed present
• 2:53:51
  investigation and reporters at 14 Beach?
• 2:53:54
  Probation sentencing will be February 12th 2020. 10 a.m.
• 2:54:04
  before George Washington. I just found an appropriate.
• 2:54:10
  I don't know if it's appropriate, but thank you.
• 2:54:13
  So it is my understanding. I was not the attorney at the
• 2:54:18
  last probable cause conference but it is my Understanding that
• 2:54:20
  Mr. Brown is remanded at the last hearing for Community.
• 2:54:23
  Corrections, Bond violation. It's my understanding.
• 2:54:25
  He's been a jail a week on that violation.
• 2:54:28
  In the basis of it was too missed tests, as well, as I
• 2:54:31
  believe a test that was positive for THC.
• 2:54:34
  I have spoken about this by my client.
• 2:54:37
  He, of course, admits to the bond violation.
• 2:54:39
  He did appear last week in court, knowing that he was
• 2:54:43
  likely to be remanded on the bond violation.
• 2:54:45
  I do not believe him to be a Flight Risk.
• 2:54:47
  He does have a residence where he lives with his girlfriend and
• 2:54:50
  four children ages. 1614 3 and 11 months in Taylor Michigan.
• 2:54:54
  He further has full-time work doing cement in flooring.
• 2:54:58
  He's a finisher he's asking for the court was consider
• 2:55:01
  reinstating his personal recognizance fund.
• 2:55:03
  He is willing to do anything that the court obviously orders.
• 2:55:07
  He understands he cannot have a single more, missed tests to
• 2:55:12
  understanding, has positive test, didn't have anything else.
• 2:55:14
  Positive besides the THC, he's willing to go on to other my
• 2:55:17
  client even told me he'd be willing to do house arrest.
• 2:55:20
  Rise from that is likely not the appropriate sanction, the court
• 2:55:23
  would issue. However, he's asked, he
• 2:55:25
  understands he's not to do substances.
• 2:55:27
  He needs, I'm not going to change Bond.
• 2:55:29
  What is going to need to do is he's going to need to talk to
• 2:55:31
  the probation department there. And then in judge, Washington's,
• 2:55:36
  good wisdom, decided to change his mom.
• 2:55:40
  Understood your daughter. I understand you say you're not
• 2:55:46
  gonna change my buy, I don't want to apologize before we're
• 2:55:49
  gonna ask. No, I'm gonna apologize for
• 2:55:52
  Meijer and not not knowing that I'll go over there, but I really
• 2:55:57
  need to get I really need to get back to work.
• 2:55:58
  Like I'm I'm down. I'm I wanted to go on Tether
• 2:56:04
  whatever. I just want to be able to get to
• 2:56:06
  give back to work right now. My my girls not working.
• 2:56:09
  I got four kids at home very, very high rent.
• 2:56:14
  I just okay sir. When I indicated in your Council
• 2:56:18
  knows how to get through to 14 B, they can contact 14b, get you
• 2:56:22
  interview and then get to judge, Washington, shut your mouth.
• 2:56:26
  But at this point, I'm not changing your body.
• 2:56:32
  Thank you. Here.
• 2:56:39
  Or cause case people versus Jalisa Robinson.
• 2:56:42
  People. Bring your honor J.
• 2:56:46
  Grant solar p 5858658 and it's Robin should be appearing via
• 2:56:50
  Zoom. However, Lisa Robinson.
• 2:57:04
  So, we don't have her checked in.
• 2:57:17
  That's where we'll issue about 10,000 cash Surety.
• 2:57:21
  Will show me. Thank you.
• 2:57:31
  People versus Edna grandma. Good morning on our Charlotte
• 2:57:45
  stuff, I may have missed her. You take your hands out of your
• 2:57:49
  pocket, well, as an arrest and you yet.
• 2:57:53
  Your name Edna. We're asking for a German of the
• 2:58:01
  probable cause conference. I was just appointed and I'm
• 2:58:03
  still painting discovery. Corey fit.
• 2:58:07
  Well that work for you and I am out of town that day.
• 2:58:12
  I can do the 29th. You think you can get everything
• 2:58:16
  by then. Or I can do to 12, which you
• 2:58:20
  prefer. I would prefer the 29th please.
• 2:58:24
  You're on 29th of January. So, two weeks January 29th. 2026
• 2:58:30
  90, mm. Thank you.
• 2:58:32
  Thank you. For the people versus Bradley
• 2:58:40
  Potter. Good morning around half Mr.
• 2:58:49
  Potter on case ending in 5728 and assistant public defender.
• 2:58:53
  J Balvin Mr. Potter in case, in the actually, my case is ending
• 2:58:58
  in 5728 and 1604 and Mr. Product, can you please state
• 2:59:03
  your name for the record Bradley?
• 2:59:05
  Earl Potter. Thank you.
• 2:59:08
  What are we doing? Grinder, we're asking for an
• 2:59:11
  adjournment. I am still in need of discovery.
• 2:59:15
  And I don't think we need much time, but that's the reason
• 2:59:18
  Discovery is complete. On my case, your honor.
• 2:59:20
  But in an effort to track these cases, I would Echo Mr. Fight,
• 2:59:25
  belsky is request and then all. So request to address Bond
• 2:59:29
  briefly. Probable cause conference will
• 2:59:34
  be adjourned to January 29th. 2026 9 a.m. yes.
• 2:59:40
  Yes. Thank you, your honor.
• 2:59:43
  Um, That's the bond, your honor. My client was picked up on this
• 2:59:48
  matter, while he was in the hospital trying to receive
• 2:59:50
  treatment. They ran his name.
• 2:59:51
  They arrested him from there. You're under these cases are
• 2:59:55
  relatively old ones from 2020 ones from 2021.
• 2:59:59
  My client has been able to stay at a trouble in that time.
• 3:00:01
  Understanding the charge is in the seriousness of them.
• 3:00:05
  My client does have a place to he can stay.
• 3:00:08
  He can stay right in Ann Arbor. He's willing to do GPS together
• 3:00:12
  home confinement, he is disabled your honor.
• 3:00:15
  He was also accepted into the homeowner Vision.
• 3:00:18
  He did access, he was, he was accepted as a stated, I
• 3:00:25
  understand that the court Would rather go the order for
• 3:00:29
  inpatient treatment route and I'm happy to do that and I can
• 3:00:32
  get that in today if the Court's unwilling to let them out
• 3:00:34
  otherwise. Response from the people.
• 3:00:43
  I would have judged any game online understanding.
• 3:00:47
  Is that briefly? Inpatient treatment.
• 3:01:25
  If there's no objection to that, I will.
• 3:01:27
  I customarily sign in patient treatment.
• 3:01:31
  Thank you very much, okay. Dokie friends.
• 3:01:39
  That is the end of three hours of Court.
• 3:01:42
  It is. Now time for TCF overtime.
• 3:01:45
  Where we can talk about some of the stuff that we saw today.
• 3:01:48
  So I've got three things that I wanted to go through.
• 3:01:53
  I've got hoarder, man. I've got that pardon board where
• 3:01:58
  we need to see the end of it and then discuss it.
• 3:02:00
  And as well. I have some more data along the
• 3:02:05
  lines of what we've been talking about with stranger danger and
• 3:02:09
  kids, and all of that. And honestly, I think I'm going
• 3:02:11
  to start there and give you guys the opportunity.
• 3:02:14
  One, I'm going through that to phone in as they say, if you
• 3:02:18
  want. So again, channel members, if
• 3:02:20
  you go to the Member announcements and the Discord
• 3:02:24
  server. There's a link there.
• 3:02:28
  And sidebar panel members, there's a link in our private
• 3:02:32
  chat. If you'd like to join me to talk
• 3:02:33
  about hoarder man or the pardon border.
• 3:02:36
  Anything else? But I'm gonna lead off with some
• 3:02:39
  of this data. So we started this thought
• 3:02:42
  experiment, a few days back and it started with the idea of us
• 3:02:48
  moving the danger for our children from Outdoors to
• 3:02:51
  indoors through the whole milk carton thing and then into the
• 3:02:54
  stranger danger. And at the same time, you had
• 3:02:56
  the rise of things like the internet and video gaming and
• 3:02:59
  stuff. So gave Kids things to do inside
• 3:03:02
  and we ended up moving the danger from Outdoors to in the
• 3:03:07
  other day. We talked about, where is your
• 3:03:10
  child more at risk? Is it from like walking home
• 3:03:13
  from school? Or is it from being online with
• 3:03:16
  access to direct messages? And we talked about that but one
• 3:03:20
  of the One of the things that we talked about in all of that was
• 3:03:24
  how often with children if it's an in-person issue.
• 3:03:29
  It is more common. That.
• 3:03:34
  There's danger from an acquaintance.
• 3:03:36
  Then there is danger from a stranger. so I have some
• 3:03:39
  information on that, so we can kind of further our
• 3:03:42
  understanding their little bit So this is stranger danger
• 3:03:46
  versus familiar Danger. So, child maltreatment.
• 3:03:53
  Now you can Define that as neglect physical abuse.
• 3:03:59
  A more personal kind of assault. Things like that, but just Group
• 3:04:03
  it under maltreatment. Okay.
• 3:04:07
  As of 2023, that was the latest data 76% of such incidences were
• 3:04:13
  perpetrated by parents. So, just over three out of four.
• 3:04:21
  When kids are sexually abused, it's usually by someone they
• 3:04:25
  know the statistics there 93% of victims, under 18, knew the
• 3:04:30
  perpetrator 59% were acquaintances.
• 3:04:34
  So people known to the family 34% were actual family but only
• 3:04:38
  7% were actual strangers. So chew on that for a minute.
• 3:04:46
  The So, often with our children, the the biggest piece of danger
• 3:04:52
  comes from those who are already around them.
• 3:04:55
  Rather than the people that we fear outside of our Circle,
• 3:04:59
  we've closed ourselves so up so much in our communities.
• 3:05:02
  And we don't interact with people and whatnot of all this
• 3:05:05
  fear, but the fear is just not as as founded.
• 3:05:09
  If you look at the data, it's more common that they're going
• 3:05:11
  to have problems within the circle around them.
• 3:05:18
  So, where did I leave off here? Even missing kids aren't usually
• 3:05:24
  a stranger danger, snatch type of scenario.
• 3:05:29
  Uh, most missing kids are actually runaways statistically.
• 3:05:35
  Non-family abductions are less than 1% of cases according to
• 3:05:41
  Nick Mick. The national Center for missing
• 3:05:43
  a splitted children. So, 99% plus of cases, if it's
• 3:05:48
  not a runaway situation, it involves a family member.
• 3:05:52
  Taking the kid. So, again, the danger is just
• 3:05:55
  not simple, it's just not statistically from outside.
• 3:06:03
  And stranger danger is rarer, but when it hits, it definitely
• 3:06:06
  is probably. I said, definitely is probably
• 3:06:09
  way to contradict myself down. It's probably the hardest
• 3:06:12
  hitting. So this was a kidnapping study
• 3:06:16
  from 1999, which is the the most recent broad study, I could find
• 3:06:24
  and it's said, In its study. That it found over the period.
• 3:06:31
  It was studying. I forget the exact period but it
• 3:06:33
  was a period of a few years if found a hundred and fifteen
• 3:06:37
  quote, unquote, stereotypical kidnapping.
• 3:06:39
  So you stereotypical kidnapping is one done by a stranger?
• 3:06:43
  But in that same time frame it found over 58,000.
• 3:06:50
  Abductions related to family members.
• 3:06:55
  So it's not even close, but again, when it does happen, it
• 3:06:59
  hits hard. Because within if if you have an
• 3:07:03
  abduction and the child is murdered 74% of it within the
• 3:07:06
  first three hours 90% within the first 24.
• 3:07:09
  So if your child is taken by a stranger and you don't get on it
• 3:07:15
  like immediately and solve it. If it's going to go south, it's
• 3:07:19
  going to go. South fast.
• 3:07:20
  So that's where like the milk cartons and stuff fails which we
• 3:07:23
  talked about before. So There you go.
• 3:07:27
  Anyway, so I just want to share that data with you because it
• 3:07:31
  expands upon what we were talking about before, but so,
• 3:07:36
  often in this, This desire to protect our children and protect
• 3:07:42
  our families. We're making the wrong choice
• 3:07:44
  is, we're not focusing where the real danger lies for them.
• 3:07:48
  You know, we're so worried about them being outside and, and
• 3:07:52
  getting around and learning their neighborhood and playing,
• 3:07:55
  and being involved in all that kind of stuff that we've
• 3:07:58
  probably Overexposed them to the bigger risks that they face.
• 3:08:02
  So slide share that with you because I found that to be
• 3:08:06
  fascinating data. And Ashley is here.
• 3:08:14
  What is Ashley want to talk about?
• 3:08:18
  Hi Ashley. Do you have discussion on that
• 3:08:21
  or were you looking for one of the other ones?
• 3:08:23
  No discussion on that actually because those statistics are
• 3:08:30
  really frightening. Yeah, aren't they?
• 3:08:35
  I, It's so much different than when I was young and I know I'm
• 3:08:42
  still young according to other people, but very young even in
• 3:08:47
  the 90. Okay, back in the night, I have
• 3:08:49
  a daughter, your age, Ashley the 90s early 2000s, then even in
• 3:08:55
  that, Even then, yeah, there was stranger danger.
• 3:09:00
  You had to be careful and communities, but it's not like
• 3:09:07
  it is now. Um, we could still ride, our
• 3:09:09
  bikes have fun, go to a neighbor's house, things like
• 3:09:14
  that, without any worry. But now these days you have to
• 3:09:19
  you know, it's it's kind of mesmerizing because even though
• 3:09:23
  we have these phones with us wherever we go that it's it's it
• 3:09:31
  has the opposite of effect. It seems that the more we are
• 3:09:35
  being tracked in the more in the digital age, seems like the more
• 3:09:40
  danger, we are being put in on every day basis too.
• 3:09:43
  So I just wanted to bring that point up because it seems like
• 3:09:47
  the more Electronics. We are getting.
• 3:09:50
  It shaping. Yes kids staying indoors playing
• 3:09:54
  video games and staying safe. Yes.
• 3:09:58
  But that stranger danger thing. Just statistic that you said
• 3:10:02
  that more is happening from family members and people that
• 3:10:06
  that person knows is quite confound because we didn't even
• 3:10:12
  think about considered that when in the 90s and early 2000s.
• 3:10:17
  Um, so yeah and it makes you it makes you wonder I suppose since
• 3:10:25
  we didn't even consider it then. you know, did the when we moved
• 3:10:32
  the kids off the street, did we change?
• 3:10:34
  Maybe the distribution of the danger?
• 3:10:36
  That's just me. And what I'm what I mean by that
• 3:10:38
  is, were these people who had these predilections, because
• 3:10:43
  there wasn't the supply of the outside.
• 3:10:45
  Are they now going to family members to fulfill their urges I
• 3:10:51
  don't know. And that's very possible too,
• 3:10:53
  I'm not sure no. I might have that might be part
• 3:10:56
  of the SKU in the data. But but as it stands right now,
• 3:11:00
  it's it's the family and friends that are the bigger risk.
• 3:11:04
  I mean something, how to change, definitely with more kids, being
• 3:11:09
  home and being less susceptible to family members.
• 3:11:12
  I think that Has also a hand in it as well.
• 3:11:17
  There is more online schooling than ever before as well.
• 3:11:20
  So kids are staying home more and things of that nature.
• 3:11:26
  So yeah, I think it's the accessibility.
• 3:11:28
  There's more younger people staying home these days and
• 3:11:32
  being more accessible to family by family members and other
• 3:11:36
  family members, It's awkward, right with the family member and
• 3:11:44
  the other family members. kind of, I don't want to say, turn
• 3:11:50
  up, line I but they don't really know what to do in that
• 3:11:52
  situation because, yeah, it's family.
• 3:11:54
  You wouldn't expect that from a family member, so that's also
• 3:12:00
  something to think about as well.
• 3:12:01
  There's many multiple facets to this issue.
• 3:12:07
  And yeah, I think just skim the surface of it.
• 3:12:10
  Yeah, I'm gonna keep digging on it because I've the more I'm
• 3:12:13
  digging in the more fascinated I am just by the breakdown of
• 3:12:18
  things. I mean, I'm saddened by it too.
• 3:12:20
  Don't get me wrong. There's just way too much of the
• 3:12:22
  stuff that goes on. But it's, it's interesting how
• 3:12:25
  the breakdown of the data is happening and it where it shows
• 3:12:30
  isn't necessarily where our focuses.
• 3:12:32
  And that's what's so weird to me and also comparing the data
• 3:12:36
  Maybe from maybe the early 2000s to now that would be interesting
• 3:12:40
  to look at as well just to see How that has morphed over time
• 3:12:46
  and I I'm not believe covid didn't help things either.
• 3:12:49
  I think people are still in that covid culture or covid.
• 3:12:54
  Society type thing. I don't think that's happened.
• 3:12:58
  That's helped either on 2020. Know though, I will say that.
• 3:13:03
  Last thing I pulled up was 1999, so really as the internet was
• 3:13:08
  just starting to really ramp itself up.
• 3:13:11
  It was 115 of the quote unquote, stereotypical kidnappings, with
• 3:13:15
  58,000 actual abductions by family.
• 3:13:21
  Wow. So, so even back then, even back
• 3:13:24
  then but you just didn't hear about it.
• 3:13:26
  Yeah. now you know, how do they, you know, and I'm willing to
• 3:13:31
  about that a lot of that 58,000 is custody dispute because
• 3:13:35
  that's that's the most common kind of quote, unquote,
• 3:13:38
  abduction, Is custody stuff. Yeah.
• 3:13:41
  Where you've got a parent who doesn't want to play nice,
• 3:13:44
  right? But but still, I mean even back
• 3:13:48
  then the data was was massively skewed in the One Direction so
• 3:13:52
  it's curiosity that's my blowing but I know All right.
• 3:13:58
  Well I'm gonna move on to the next topic about that subject.
• 3:14:02
  I just wanted to bring up some points that you had because that
• 3:14:06
  The statistics are not there. They're frightening to be on
• 3:14:10
  because the You need to rely on. Those people to help you provide
• 3:14:18
  shelter and safety. And if you don't get that at
• 3:14:20
  home, where do you get that? It's awful.
• 3:14:24
  Well, and a lot of cases. They just don't they don't get
• 3:14:28
  that and people are wondering why Society is like it is Well,
• 3:14:33
  that's a big one right there. I think that you mentioned how
• 3:14:37
  many times have I said it. It starts by building.
• 3:14:39
  Good families and good people. I'm not saying I'm just saying,
• 3:14:43
  you know what I'm saying? Yes.
• 3:14:47
  Let you go. Down.
• 3:14:48
  All right. Oh, thank you.
• 3:14:50
  Hang out. If you want for any of the other
• 3:14:51
  topics just gonna call you back in cool.
• 3:14:58
  Okay, dokie, let's talk about. Let's talk about horror man for
• 3:15:02
  a minute. So I have lost track as to how
• 3:15:06
  much we've seen hoarder man on this channel.
• 3:15:09
  I think this was hearing five, maybe, Five.
• 3:15:14
  Sounds right. But To be honest, we've seen him
• 3:15:17
  so much. I've lost track And I don't know
• 3:15:21
  what you guys think. But I walked away from this
• 3:15:26
  hearing. Oh, I didn't walk away.
• 3:15:29
  Did I I sat here after hearing and I was very disappointed and
• 3:15:36
  judgment McNally. And honestly I'm also
• 3:15:41
  disappointed in Woodhaven and how they're handling this as
• 3:15:44
  well. I don't understand first off why
• 3:15:49
  the city has allowed this to drag on for as long as it has?
• 3:15:53
  It just makes zero sense to me whatsoever because most cities
• 3:15:57
  that I've experienced. Anyways, aren't gonna tolerate
• 3:16:00
  it for that long. They just aren't go to Saint Joe
• 3:16:04
  County with judge Middleton. And he's got a similar hoarder
• 3:16:08
  man case going on there. And as I recall he was giving a
• 3:16:10
  deadline and after that the city's just going to move in and
• 3:16:13
  the taxi on his property, they'll clean it up and you know
• 3:16:17
  they'll put a lean on it to pay for it.
• 3:16:20
  That makes sense to me that it should happen that way, but
• 3:16:24
  would Haven just keeps dragging his feet.
• 3:16:27
  And I'm disappointed in judgment McNally, and how he's handling
• 3:16:31
  this? because I He's coming across to
• 3:16:37
  me as an enabler to be honest with you.
• 3:16:41
  This has been dragging on for so long.
• 3:16:44
  And we keep hearing from McNally.
• 3:16:47
  I don't know what to do with you.
• 3:16:48
  He said that in the last several hearings, it keeps repeating it.
• 3:16:51
  I don't know what to do with you.
• 3:16:53
  I don't want to do this. I don't know what to do with
• 3:16:55
  you. I don't want to do this, you're
• 3:16:57
  making me do this. I don't want to do this.
• 3:16:59
  I don't know what to do with you and yeah, he did put them in
• 3:17:01
  jail the one time for a few days but he's allowing these excuses
• 3:17:08
  to just continue to set in and my opinion, and it's becoming
• 3:17:11
  enabling for him because I think he's under the impression.
• 3:17:16
  Again, there was that one exception where he was jailed
• 3:17:19
  for a couple of days, but He's getting this message that it's
• 3:17:24
  okay to continue to drag his feet. and McNally said to me, he
• 3:17:32
  said to him rather that well you know, I mean it this time, You
• 3:17:37
  know next time you come in here if it's not ready you know
• 3:17:40
  things are gonna happen I don't believe him necessarily and I
• 3:17:43
  like McNally a lot but in this particular instance I'm not
• 3:17:46
  believing what he's saying. I don't.
• 3:17:51
  I don't buy it and I don't buy it because again we've been
• 3:17:54
  through this so many times now and there's so little progress
• 3:17:58
  being made and you've got the Good Samaritans who are lined up
• 3:18:01
  and ready to help this guy and he's not taking advantage of it.
• 3:18:04
  There has to be there has to be something there.
• 3:18:08
  That's more forceful because the guy is just not going to get
• 3:18:11
  there on his own and McNally softball team today.
• 3:18:16
  And yesterday it was, we showed it today, but he saw the whole
• 3:18:20
  thing in my opinion. And I think it's just continues
• 3:18:25
  to enable him, you know, it's the parent who counts to three.
• 3:18:29
  But the child knows to just shut up at 2 and if the parent gets
• 3:18:33
  to three half the time, they're not going to do anything.
• 3:18:35
  Anyways. You know.
• 3:18:37
  Sometimes you have to take. Punitive measures that are
• 3:18:42
  Swift. and I think that is what this guy needs, but it's just
• 3:18:47
  not happening and Maybe it would be easier on McNally.
• 3:18:52
  If the city would actually take some sort of action like so many
• 3:18:57
  other. Municipalities will, but they
• 3:19:00
  are not, they're just complaining about it for 25
• 3:19:03
  years, which again is just another enabling Factor.
• 3:19:06
  So you can let me know if you think differently but I was I
• 3:19:10
  was disappointed in how that was handled and I don't I don't
• 3:19:15
  think it's going to be any better when we see him in March.
• 3:19:18
  and something tells me that it's not a slam dunk that McNally
• 3:19:22
  throws him in jail in March when it goes south as we know that it
• 3:19:26
  will Because it will. But I could very well be wrong.
• 3:19:33
  Ashley, tell me I'm wrong. No, you're not wrong.
• 3:19:37
  And nine years. Of.
• 3:19:42
  My, in my previous workplace, I spent nine years and more of the
• 3:19:48
  property management sector. And we have the same issue.
• 3:19:53
  We would have Tenants that stayed in properties for so many
• 3:19:58
  years. And they got used to different
• 3:20:02
  things. I mean we we would hear excuses
• 3:20:05
  every month or so and we want to give in not because we're mean
• 3:20:10
  people but because we had to set that get groundwork that if I
• 3:20:15
  give in to this person, they might come around and say, well,
• 3:20:19
  you did that last time. Um, and that's kind of what I
• 3:20:24
  relate to order, man. Because McNally is like, gave in
• 3:20:31
  the first time and it's like, okay, this is your warning.
• 3:20:33
  Then he came back and kind of gave him a second warning and so
• 3:20:37
  on and so forth. And now hoarder man expects that
• 3:20:41
  the judge will be leaning it with them because he was leaning
• 3:20:43
  it with them the other times through and that yeah, it's a
• 3:20:49
  slippery slope for sure. Not saying that ground rule and
• 3:20:54
  that expectation. The first or second time he came
• 3:20:57
  in and now Yeah. And I just and I know we're
• 3:21:03
  human, right? And judges are humans too.
• 3:21:05
  They have to They are kind, they want to be kind of people and
• 3:21:13
  they want to help people in the way they can.
• 3:21:16
  But sometimes helping people is not in the good of the situation
• 3:21:22
  and I think that's what happened here for sure.
• 3:21:26
  Yeah. McNally's Behavior kind of
• 3:21:28
  reminds me back in the 80s. I think it was, I think it was
• 3:21:34
  Qaddafi, in Libya, he had the line of death.
• 3:21:39
  And he's like cross this line, you die.
• 3:21:41
  And then the, you know, the US and and other allies get up on
• 3:21:45
  the line and the line moves back cross this line, you die cross
• 3:21:48
  this line, you die. And then I see, you know, the
• 3:21:50
  line is at his front door. It's it's kind of the same
• 3:21:53
  thing. It's like Halo threats.
• 3:21:56
  Yes. Yeah.
• 3:21:57
  And if you don't act on those threats, it tells that person.
• 3:22:03
  Oh, he's not being serious. And it takes advantage of that
• 3:22:07
  person. I hate when people do this.
• 3:22:09
  Because I like to think of the good of other people before I
• 3:22:13
  think badly of them, but people will take advantage of That
• 3:22:18
  person's actions. They they do every chance they
• 3:22:21
  can, and I've gotten burned so many times, letting people do
• 3:22:27
  whatever. they kind of want to do and you just can't, you have
• 3:22:32
  to set that ground rule and you have to Say your expectation.
• 3:22:37
  What? The consequence of that
• 3:22:39
  expectation is and if you don't follow upon it, you cannot set
• 3:22:43
  that expectation again. Yup know exactly.
• 3:22:47
  You know, we'll we'll see what happens in March, but based on
• 3:22:50
  what I saw today, I don't buy that.
• 3:22:52
  Anything's Gonna Change with that guy because he's still full
• 3:22:55
  of excuses and I don't buy that. Anything's Gonna Change with
• 3:22:58
  McNally because he's he's been relatively soft on the sky the
• 3:23:02
  whole way and I and I don't get it because he's so harsh on
• 3:23:08
  others. I don't know what it is about
• 3:23:09
  this guy. Yeah.
• 3:23:09
  And the Woodhaven Township is another thing you were talking
• 3:23:14
  about about them getting away for so long.
• 3:23:20
  And not taking action, that's puzzling.
• 3:23:22
  For sure. I would think they would have a
• 3:23:25
  paper trail of them. Reaching out to him about.
• 3:23:31
  Like with warnings and things, they should have taken action a
• 3:23:35
  long time ago as well. So it's the combination of the
• 3:23:40
  Woodhaven Township and the judge that's making this situation
• 3:23:43
  just Awful. I wonder if it wasn't difficult
• 3:23:48
  in the first place, for whatever reason and you know, the
• 3:23:53
  mentality becomes I'll just leave it for the next guy. and
• 3:23:57
  after 25 years, there's been several iterations of the next
• 3:24:00
  guy Oh yeah, he's not a young chicken but he he did say that
• 3:24:07
  the person that he talked to, before retired, I didn't catch
• 3:24:11
  that part. So yeah, I'm sure that has
• 3:24:13
  something to do with it. Know, people being lazy Yeah,
• 3:24:18
  definitely. And, you know, I hate to say
• 3:24:22
  this, but a lot of cities and townships.
• 3:24:27
  And Georgia are especially lazy as well.
• 3:24:30
  So I cannot say specifically that they're lazy, I think.
• 3:24:37
  All the government agencies are somewhat.
• 3:24:41
  Kind of the same with that factor.
• 3:24:44
  So There's truth there. Yeah, I think I told you agree
• 3:24:51
  with your point of them having to, they should step in and
• 3:24:56
  clean up the mess and then Bill him for whatever.
• 3:25:01
  Whatever they need to build home for.
• 3:25:03
  I I know it's not I think in this Township but I think it
• 3:25:09
  should be a thing and something that they need to pass for sure.
• 3:25:12
  Well at this point it's the cleanest way to handle it.
• 3:25:15
  But but we lose content that way so you know I know but it would
• 3:25:23
  it would save the judge brain cells and would say the township
• 3:25:27
  brain cells and ultimately it would.
• 3:25:31
  Yeah, hoarder mail will not like that for sure because he doesn't
• 3:25:36
  want people to touch his stuff and I totally understand that
• 3:25:40
  but At the same time, if you are told to do something.
• 3:25:47
  And you do not act upon it and don't get it done.
• 3:25:50
  You should expect consequences. And that would be part of those
• 3:25:54
  consequences that we were talking about before, so.
• 3:25:57
  Yeah, yeah. So All right.
• 3:26:00
  What do you say? We finish up this.
• 3:26:03
  Pardon parole board thing. Yeah, I was not you'll have to
• 3:26:08
  film me in on that because I was away for that time.
• 3:26:10
  So, okay. Well, 50,000 foot view for
• 3:26:14
  anybody who was away for that time.
• 3:26:16
  This was actually, I put us in the way back machine for the
• 3:26:19
  this was from two days ago, and this is a woman in front of the
• 3:26:24
  board. Who 20 some years ago was on
• 3:26:29
  probation for something. She worked at a Microtel she got
• 3:26:35
  a call that she was being fired. She went to the Microtel
• 3:26:39
  confronted her boss shot her boss, but did not kill her.
• 3:26:44
  So it was like an attempted murder kind of thing.
• 3:26:48
  So, during her time in prison, She has quote unquote reformed
• 3:26:54
  and been a model citizen. That's what, that's what the
• 3:26:58
  advocates for her. Including a bunch of the jail
• 3:27:00
  official. The prison officials rather were
• 3:27:01
  saying she has found Jesus. She has.
• 3:27:08
  Become like a minister or a leader in Ministry.
• 3:27:11
  She is. Got a degree is I recall.
• 3:27:16
  Now she's done all of these things, right?
• 3:27:19
  But then the victim's son and his son's wife get on and
• 3:27:25
  they're incredibly emotional. And they've got a whole list of
• 3:27:30
  all of the offenses that she has had.
• 3:27:33
  Well, she's been in prison. And supposedly her
• 3:27:38
  transformation started in 2616. But she still had issues in 2018
• 3:27:44
  violent. So there's like two sides to
• 3:27:49
  what's going on here. You've got those on her side
• 3:27:53
  that are saying she's completely changed.
• 3:27:55
  You've got the victims going. No and oh by the way the woman
• 3:28:00
  it wasn't expressly said but it sounds like a few years ago she
• 3:28:05
  committed suicide the victim. Because they said they said that
• 3:28:10
  she died from all of the mental stress of it.
• 3:28:14
  So so it implies that she committed suicide, so their
• 3:28:18
  argument is it wasn't a tempted murder, it was a murder.
• 3:28:23
  So that's what their arguing again.
• 3:28:25
  Very emotional. Very Compelling in their own
• 3:28:28
  way. but, So that's kind of the two side of all of this.
• 3:28:36
  And they went into executive session and now we're going to
• 3:28:39
  figure out what they did an executive session.
• 3:28:43
  And then we'll talk about it. Gotcha.
• 3:28:45
  All right, everybody's caught up hang tight.
• 3:28:49
  Let's pull up that hearing. And pick it up.
• 3:28:54
  Where we left off. To do.
• 3:28:57
  Let's go. There.
• 3:29:05
  All right, guys, here we go. Alright, I'll move to go back
• 3:29:10
  into writing or session second by Mr. Tillis, without
• 3:29:14
  objection, we're back in regular session.
• 3:29:17
  It is 10:45 a.m. And we are prepared to vote Mr.
• 3:29:22
  Tillis will be voting first Is. I, I commend you, for The
• 3:29:36
  positive things you've done. and, I really I really sorry
• 3:29:50
  that the family or their loss. I really am.
• 3:29:54
  And I'm not going to drag this out, love to.
• 3:29:59
  Today is going to be to Grant with uh to the Louisiana pool
• 3:30:05
  project. For free.
• 3:30:08
  Okay, um you know so want to commend you on everything you've
• 3:30:12
  done. One thing I do want to know is
• 3:30:16
  that you have a good time date in two years.
• 3:30:19
  So it's not actually five years. oh so regardless of what we do
• 3:30:24
  today, you get out in two years but You know, that family still
• 3:30:30
  suffering and and it was and it it's it's tough and I think I
• 3:30:36
  do, I do realize it was totally premeditated.
• 3:30:39
  So my vote today is going to be to deny victim opposition and
• 3:30:46
  Okay. Yeah, there is very strong
• 3:30:50
  opposition in the record Dana for from the prosecutor and law
• 3:30:56
  enforcement. You heard from the victim today.
• 3:30:58
  I agree. Also some of the some of the
• 3:31:03
  things that you said to us today, don't really match what's
• 3:31:05
  in the record that what happened in our understanding, the way
• 3:31:09
  that process things, sometimes over time changes but I too
• 3:31:13
  believe that you you meant to do harm and just care way.
• 3:31:16
  You went there with the intention of doing her.
• 3:31:19
  Several listen to. The family of miscarriage and
• 3:31:26
  they are, they are really still breathing.
• 3:31:30
  I'm not sure they understand what good time is.
• 3:31:34
  You know, you do have a mandatory release date, which is
• 3:31:37
  February, 24th of 2028, you'll no matter what you'll be getting
• 3:31:42
  out that day, I A little to the victims, my vote today.
• 3:31:48
  Based on the opposition, we hire.
• 3:31:50
  Is going to be to deny your parole.
• 3:31:52
  I do. Congratulate you on the hard
• 3:31:54
  work that you've done, but you've got a release date coming
• 3:31:58
  up in the near future. So keep doing what you're doing
• 3:32:01
  Mentor others I think you can help other people.
• 3:32:03
  Good luck to you, Ma'am. Today, you've been denied.
• 3:32:08
  Thank you. Okay friends.
• 3:32:12
  There you go. Denied. so, I have thoughts on
• 3:32:23
  this one and if you have thoughts, feel free to join me
• 3:32:27
  and talk about it. But here's the thing that got
• 3:32:35
  me. So, She had a whole laundry list
• 3:32:39
  and if you didn't hear the laundry list when we're done
• 3:32:42
  here, if you weren't around for it, go back and watch that
• 3:32:45
  hearing and they list off all of the offenses that she committed
• 3:32:49
  and most of them were prior to 2616.
• 3:32:54
  And supposedly in 2016 as we when she began to find God and
• 3:32:59
  to change her life and all of that.
• 3:33:02
  However, in 2018, she was found guilty in the facility of a
• 3:33:09
  sexual assault. so, two years after her transformation began,
• 3:33:15
  she missed me misbehaved in potentially not even
• 3:33:20
  potentially. Most definitely, I would say of
• 3:33:25
  the list of things that were read off, that was her.
• 3:33:29
  That was her biggest offense, not.
• 3:33:32
  I don't remember if it was a sexual assault or sexual
• 3:33:34
  encounter, it was something sexual.
• 3:33:36
  So, I want to make sure that I'm clear on the record that I could
• 3:33:40
  be wrong on that. But it was some sexually related
• 3:33:43
  offense in the prison. Two years after her, so called
• 3:33:49
  transformation began. now if you've hung around here long
• 3:33:53
  enough, you know, that I'm a Christian, you know, that I'm
• 3:33:55
  God fearing, you know, that I believe in a higher power and
• 3:33:58
  that I hope for people to find the Lord for people to change
• 3:34:02
  for people to grow and I am, however, always leery of prison
• 3:34:08
  Transmissions because I think they're often used Uh, well as
• 3:34:14
  it's been described before as the Jesus blanket, it's been
• 3:34:18
  described on this channel as that, this this, excuse, this
• 3:34:22
  place for people to go and feel sheltered and forgiving in all
• 3:34:27
  of that, which is true in a spiritual sense and it is true
• 3:34:30
  in in a Godly sense, but there is still the matter of the price
• 3:34:34
  that you have to pay here on the planet.
• 3:34:38
  And she's close to being done with paying that price.
• 3:34:40
  She's only two years out for me, at least with her good time.
• 3:34:43
  So and somehow despite all of her violations.
• 3:34:46
  So she was in there, she still masked some good times so she's
• 3:34:49
  gonna get out in two years regardless. but, What struck me
• 3:34:56
  more than anything in listening to this was I don't understand.
• 3:35:03
  How so many people now. I guess I've got to defer to
• 3:35:07
  them a little bit because they're with her every day, but
• 3:35:10
  I don't understand how so many people found.
• 3:35:14
  So much goodness. In this person.
• 3:35:20
  And are so convinced of her transformation.
• 3:35:24
  Despite the fact that two years into her transformation, she
• 3:35:29
  committed, what was the worst on her list of prison offenses?
• 3:35:35
  It, it doesn't add up to me now. I'm not saying, that she hasn't
• 3:35:42
  made improvements, and I'm not saying That.
• 3:35:47
  There's no way she would do. Okay, once she gets out, she
• 3:35:50
  might, especially with the the Support of the parole project
• 3:35:55
  and them. Giving her The tools that she
• 3:35:58
  would need and the support that she would need. but, I'm not
• 3:36:03
  sold on it and it's surprising to me that all of these prison
• 3:36:09
  officials. and the people who have dealt with her, And one of
• 3:36:14
  the board members were convinced by it.
• 3:36:21
  It doesn't. It doesn't add up to me.
• 3:36:24
  I don't I don't understand it this.
• 3:36:26
  And the reason why, that's the reason why I wanted to show the
• 3:36:28
  history reason why I've been holding it.
• 3:36:30
  I was going to show it yesterday but I had the stream failure.
• 3:36:32
  So I do it today. But when I watched this, The
• 3:36:39
  other afternoon as I was doing other work.
• 3:36:42
  I was listening. It's like how are they so
• 3:36:43
  convinced. that this woman is like, you know, the bestest
• 3:36:50
  thing since sliced bread in the hula hoop.
• 3:36:52
  Again, I'm not saying that she hasn't made improvements and if
• 3:36:55
  she has that's great, but they were talking about what was like
• 3:37:00
  her Integrity or her honesty, something like that.
• 3:37:02
  Um, You know, I don't know, I don't ever think we should be
• 3:37:08
  defined by our worst action. because, If we're solely defined
• 3:37:16
  by our worst action, every single one of us will be
• 3:37:19
  eternally. Damned I it's just facts.
• 3:37:22
  Just not all of us. Have to go to prison for for the
• 3:37:26
  bad things that we do, but every one of us does things that just
• 3:37:29
  you know, aren't right? You know. so I get that part,
• 3:37:34
  but I don't know. like I said, it was just very unconvincing to
• 3:37:40
  me based on the evidence and based on the data, That there
• 3:37:46
  was a true transformation there. And I'm just befuddled, by the
• 3:37:52
  number of people who Were convinced that there was.
• 3:37:58
  But again, to deal with her everyday, so maybe they're
• 3:38:00
  seeing something. We're not But you know, if the
• 3:38:06
  last bad thing was 2018 is 2026. Now it's you know, seven plus
• 3:38:11
  years Depending on when it happened in 2018.
• 3:38:14
  So, You know. Maybe it is real. but I guess I
• 3:38:20
  guess I would need more data more data than what was
• 3:38:23
  presented at that hearing, which was part of the surprise to me
• 3:38:26
  that the first of vote was to parole.
• 3:38:31
  I, I didn't necessarily see that and the facts in all line up
• 3:38:37
  either. Because people were talking
• 3:38:38
  about how How good she's been with out?
• 3:38:42
  You know, any missteps, and whatnot, and then they read all
• 3:38:45
  of these missed UPS. Now maybe, when they were
• 3:38:47
  speaking about how good she was in the lack of missteps, maybe
• 3:38:50
  it was Maybe it was the lack of misstep since 2018, I don't
• 3:38:54
  know. but, Again, I just I don't get it.
• 3:39:00
  And I'm willing to guess, you don't get it either, Michael?
• 3:39:03
  I don't I don't get it. See, I know you.
• 3:39:08
  I Dan, I don't my microphones all weird today but um, I don't
• 3:39:16
  understand it. Um, I you know, the wrapping
• 3:39:21
  yourself in the Jesus blanket. I think just makes your case
• 3:39:23
  even worse because the Bible, I'm not going to quote the Bible
• 3:39:27
  today. Ah, this isn't gonna be the
• 3:39:30
  agnostic teaches you about the Bible.
• 3:39:33
  Ashley Mike mark down that Michael refused to quote the
• 3:39:36
  Bible today. However well I won't quote it
• 3:39:41
  directly I will say there are I mean of all the things in the
• 3:39:46
  Bible punishment and obeying laws is a very common theme
• 3:39:51
  throughout and it's so I I think that people need to understand
• 3:39:58
  that I think that if you're going to use the Bible and God
• 3:40:02
  and everything as your defense, you should probably understand
• 3:40:05
  that. I think one of the key elements
• 3:40:08
  in there is to accept and Obey, and adhere to, and, you know,
• 3:40:13
  and accept the punishment that you've been given and to just
• 3:40:17
  try and get out of it early because you think that you have
• 3:40:20
  found the ways of God and because you think you are
• 3:40:23
  suddenly this God-fearing individual.
• 3:40:25
  And well, then if you truly are, then as that as the victim said,
• 3:40:31
  then you should sit for your entire punishment because that
• 3:40:34
  is what the state has given you. If that's, you know, that that's
• 3:40:39
  what you should do. If you've truly accepted God,
• 3:40:44
  Well, I've said it before Michael, that one of my problems
• 3:40:48
  with modern day, Christianity in the modern day church, is that
• 3:40:52
  they're only teaching. Well, I, again, I don't want to
• 3:40:56
  be absolutist. A vast majority of them are
• 3:40:59
  mostly teaching. I want to walk it right up to
• 3:41:01
  that line, just out of the New Testament.
• 3:41:03
  So we're, we're doing the Jesus talk, but you have to look at
• 3:41:08
  the text as a whole for me. The Old Testament teaches us
• 3:41:12
  about bad, actions and accountability, and Punishment.
• 3:41:17
  The New Testament gives us the path to Salvation from all of
• 3:41:20
  that. And I think you have to look at
• 3:41:22
  both and I would think you would especially have to look at both
• 3:41:25
  for prisoners for convicted. Felons they have to have both of
• 3:41:30
  those messages but the modern day teachings the way that
• 3:41:35
  Christianity is presented. Now It's it's the Jesus blanket.
• 3:41:40
  And it's not good enough. You need both.
• 3:41:45
  I definitely agree with that, I think.
• 3:41:49
  Okay, when you first said that the victims May were very
• 3:41:53
  emotional and everything like that, I feel for them.
• 3:41:57
  I am not saying that they are wrong, they're wrong to feel
• 3:42:01
  that way. I think every victim should have
• 3:42:03
  a chance to convey their feelings during this and
• 3:42:08
  however, I don't think the victim should be the soul.
• 3:42:14
  I always believed that the victim should not.
• 3:42:19
  Portray what should happen to that person?
• 3:42:22
  That's why you have the board. So that's why I feel that way
• 3:42:27
  afterwards. But when you said Dan that she
• 3:42:32
  committed, Things in gel like problems in there were problems
• 3:42:37
  when she was in prison. That That would justify them
• 3:42:44
  keeping her in in my opinion. Yes.
• 3:42:47
  Um, I don't think Even if it was a few years back or whatever and
• 3:42:54
  such a bad offense like that, I I would not put her out on
• 3:43:00
  parole just because of that. No, I don't.
• 3:43:05
  Know. And and that's the other thing.
• 3:43:06
  That was my other point too. Actually good.
• 3:43:09
  You know, that was where I was going next was then on top of it
• 3:43:14
  you're you're talking about how your God fearing and you found
• 3:43:17
  God and Jesus, and all that. And that's, that's great.
• 3:43:20
  You know, fantastic. I never think that.
• 3:43:24
  That should I don't care. Even if it is the most sincere
• 3:43:28
  thing that's ever been said, I don't think that should shorten
• 3:43:30
  your your punishment but also, you have all these jail
• 3:43:33
  incidents. You have all these incidents in
• 3:43:35
  the prison and it's not like one or two.
• 3:43:37
  I mean, I think most people in prison probably get rid of at
• 3:43:40
  some point. Um, but I mean these, some of
• 3:43:44
  them were serious. Yeah, those stuffed in there as
• 3:43:48
  I recall I think there was a salt.
• 3:43:50
  There was this yeah, there is a sex assault in there.
• 3:43:53
  Yeah. That was just I think there was
• 3:43:55
  just a vanilla assault too. Yeah.
• 3:43:57
  Yeah. There was.
• 3:43:58
  And there was, you know, on authorized being in an
• 3:44:01
  unauthorized area, there was Disobedience, which whatever
• 3:44:04
  that means Um, there was, you know, a lot of insubordination
• 3:44:09
  kind of stuff that went on. So and a number of other
• 3:44:12
  incidents too and again Is where this was?
• 3:44:17
  A part of behavioral problems. You know, we see some people
• 3:44:19
  that are in there that that don't have a lot of write-ups or
• 3:44:23
  haven't had one in 25 years or something.
• 3:44:25
  Um, And so, I, I think her behavior.
• 3:44:30
  There says that she hasn't truly reformed, it says to me that
• 3:44:34
  there's still some issues and, you know, I can't have somebody
• 3:44:39
  going out into society that has still, they can't even figure it
• 3:44:43
  out when everybody's watching you when you should be on your
• 3:44:46
  best behavior. I cannot justify letting
• 3:44:50
  somebody out in that situation. No, I will say this.
• 3:44:54
  I don't remember was Wahoo or Charles, but somebody put in the
• 3:44:58
  chat when we were watching that, that If she's going to get out
• 3:45:02
  in two years, anyways, I think the point that was trying to be
• 3:45:05
  made was, does it make sense to let her go out to the parole
• 3:45:09
  project? Where at least she has
• 3:45:10
  supervision for a couple years for maybe a softer Landing that
• 3:45:14
  was Charles. Now there is some okay, there's
• 3:45:17
  a point to be made for that because when she gets let out my
• 3:45:21
  understanding is there's no supervision, she's just out.
• 3:45:25
  Um there is a point to be made for that.
• 3:45:27
  I could see that we've talked about that I think actually
• 3:45:30
  before too. There's been a couple of other
• 3:45:32
  times where even the board has suggested letting them out so
• 3:45:36
  that now so that they can get the supervision and maybe you
• 3:45:39
  know, I could see that. I suppose.
• 3:45:43
  And maybe I don't think the victims would be happy with
• 3:45:45
  that. And again, as Ashley said, you
• 3:45:47
  know, it's not really about what the victims want per se, but the
• 3:45:52
  reason they have them there is for context is to add context
• 3:45:55
  and background. Yeah, they're gonna be emotional
• 3:45:57
  and as hard as it is for humans to do, we have to divorce
• 3:46:00
  ourselves from those emotions, but listen to what they're
• 3:46:03
  saying because the board didn't bring up the the prison, you
• 3:46:08
  know, the incident reports first, they did and then the
• 3:46:12
  board followed up on that. And I think that was that added
• 3:46:15
  some very important contacts and, and they brought up, you
• 3:46:19
  know, not just their emotions and being upset.
• 3:46:21
  They brought up to fact that they don't think that she's
• 3:46:24
  actually Reformed are at least, not totally.
• 3:46:28
  And hey, I'm always saying, I think I think most people other
• 3:46:33
  than, you know, sex is old. I think most other people can be
• 3:46:37
  rehabilitated even murderers or attempted murders, but I don't
• 3:46:42
  think that's what's going on here yet.
• 3:46:45
  Yeah, yeah. Because you, you could, you
• 3:46:47
  could argue, I suppose that the based on what you're saying, the
• 3:46:52
  fact that you could reform in attempted murder You could argue
• 3:46:56
  that that offense in 2018 and prison was a worse offense.
• 3:47:02
  Than the one she's in prison for I would.
• 3:47:04
  And and that's an argument I can make for sure.
• 3:47:08
  You know, I because by your logic, it's not something she
• 3:47:11
  can be reformed from. No, no.
• 3:47:14
  And that's my biggest problem. Is that offense?
• 3:47:17
  I think says more. Says more about her than any of
• 3:47:22
  the other offenses because it look, man, I get it.
• 3:47:24
  You know, some people get written up and maybe they just
• 3:47:26
  don't want to do something. They're not feeling it, they're
• 3:47:28
  in prison. Yeah, you know, we all have bad
• 3:47:30
  days. It's just if you have a bad day
• 3:47:32
  in prison it could make it could get you a right up. but that one
• 3:47:36
  in particular is is Horrible. That's horrendous.
• 3:47:43
  So I don't know, Dan. I don't know what to make of
• 3:47:45
  that. And then the other thing of
• 3:47:47
  course, drifting over to hoarder, man, Or this is a saga
• 3:47:51
  that it's the gift that keeps on giving never ends and you know,
• 3:47:55
  it's been going on technically for 25 years.
• 3:47:59
  Yeah. Um, and at this point, yeah,
• 3:48:03
  hoarder man is responsible but I I almost don't even blame him
• 3:48:07
  anymore. I don't look, here's the thing.
• 3:48:11
  It here's the thing. If if bank robbery bank robbery
• 3:48:17
  is is a felony, it's a major crime.
• 3:48:19
  But if I went in and robbed a bank and nobody did anything to
• 3:48:24
  stop me, Is it really my problem?
• 3:48:28
  I mean is my really the bad person or is the fact that we're
• 3:48:31
  not putting teeth to a law? Is it society's problem?
• 3:48:36
  Like at some point? if you don't do something about
• 3:48:40
  a problem, You know, the its no longer is about the person
• 3:48:45
  committing the act as much as it is about the people that refuse
• 3:48:48
  to do anything to stop it. They can scream and yell and
• 3:48:50
  say, it's bad. But I mean you said it best.
• 3:48:53
  I mean, would Haven's not doing anything about it?
• 3:48:56
  Um, judge McNally, who, you know, I love judgmentally
• 3:49:00
  whenever, you know, judgmental, he judge Boyd.
• 3:49:02
  I'm always, I always go to them. I think they're great.
• 3:49:06
  I think judge McNally is you know a fair judge and I think
• 3:49:11
  despite the fact we call them judge dad and he does have his
• 3:49:13
  grumpy side. I really do think he's
• 3:49:15
  compassionate but I will say this about Judge McNally.
• 3:49:18
  I wonder If he doesn't feel bad for the guy because he's old,
• 3:49:23
  like if this was a 32 year old guy that just couldn't get his
• 3:49:26
  crap together, I think judgment. McNally have no problem.
• 3:49:29
  Dropping the hammer on him. But he's gotta be.
• 3:49:33
  Yeah, I think he has some soft side for this dude.
• 3:49:38
  There's got to be something there because a couple hearing
• 3:49:40
  is back. He actually mentioned that he
• 3:49:42
  drove by the guys house and had to look for himself.
• 3:49:45
  Yes, so he first hand knows what's going on there and he's
• 3:49:50
  put him in jail. Five days twice now.
• 3:49:52
  Oh, it was it twice? Okay.
• 3:49:53
  Yes. Yeah, twice.
• 3:49:55
  He's put him in and he's, he threatened the last time, but he
• 3:49:59
  didn't Yeah. Um, and he's threatening again
• 3:50:03
  and I I don't know if he will in March.
• 3:50:09
  Maybe maybe he will, and maybe he won't, you know, he's he's
• 3:50:13
  done barely anything. He has all of his Litany of
• 3:50:16
  excuses. Well, I've had the flu since
• 3:50:18
  Christmas and last time it was like, well, I, I was on a board
• 3:50:21
  or something. I was helping people do this for
• 3:50:24
  four months. Well, that was two weeks and
• 3:50:25
  then I had something else and then it rained you mean it's
• 3:50:28
  been raining for three months. Well, you know, rained off and
• 3:50:31
  not its Michigan. Yeah, it's gonna rain.
• 3:50:32
  Well, in March, you're gonna have that cold wet rain up
• 3:50:36
  there, so that's gonna shut, that's gonna shut it down to
• 3:50:38
  August or a blizzard. Yeah, still taking out of the
• 3:50:42
  snow. Yeah.
• 3:50:43
  And his son's to busy to help their dads as well working over
• 3:50:50
  40 hours a week, too. But I again, Dan, I will say
• 3:50:54
  this and Ashley, I will say this.
• 3:50:57
  You know. when I guess hosted, we did the that long hearing
• 3:51:00
  with with judgmentalism It was another hoarder, man.
• 3:51:06
  And Saint Joe County, they handled that much differently.
• 3:51:10
  They just threatened. They said, listen, we've got
• 3:51:12
  people, that'll come in there and take care of it, but it'll
• 3:51:16
  be at it'll ultimately be at the at the property owner's expense
• 3:51:19
  and then we'll put a tax lien on the property but a bing bada
• 3:51:23
  boom problem solved and it was going on for a couple of years
• 3:51:26
  or a few years. I know that it had been going on
• 3:51:29
  for a while because these things are never instant but it sure as
• 3:51:33
  hell hadn't been going on for 25 years.
• 3:51:36
  Um and so I I think that's the way to handle it.
• 3:51:39
  I mean, that's ultimately what you have to do and if this guy I
• 3:51:43
  mean he they have people that are willing to help him So he's
• 3:51:48
  refusing to help because he's not taking it seriously because
• 3:51:52
  he doesn't need to because everybody's enabling them.
• 3:51:55
  I mean, if you see a bratty child in the supermarket, is it
• 3:51:59
  really the fall to the child? There's the default of the
• 3:52:01
  parent for not getting that situation under control.
• 3:52:03
  Yes, that's exactly exactly. And child grows up to be.
• 3:52:08
  I mean, not her man per se, but somebody like that.
• 3:52:13
  No. But even as an adult, you're
• 3:52:14
  molded by the actions that are placed upon you.
• 3:52:17
  And, you know, That that's what we have here.
• 3:52:21
  I mean there's been no real, real serious action place to
• 3:52:25
  pawn him. So now we have this behavior and
• 3:52:29
  as far as like the son who's always too busy to help.
• 3:52:32
  I think that's an excuse. I think the sun probably just
• 3:52:36
  said, I'm out. And that's the thing too.
• 3:52:38
  And I think that right and Ashley, I know we've talked
• 3:52:43
  about this throughout this Saga, all of us in the chat, um, about
• 3:52:47
  the about his mental state and maybe, you know orders Hoarders,
• 3:52:54
  have obviously have a mental statement.
• 3:52:56
  It's let's, I mean, let's be real about it.
• 3:52:58
  There's obviously some mental health issue there because they
• 3:53:02
  don't want to let go of stuff, and they want to keep things.
• 3:53:04
  And there's, there's something there.
• 3:53:06
  And he just can't, I mean, to me, I just say, hey, take a
• 3:53:10
  bulldozer on earth, mover, whatever?
• 3:53:12
  Clear. All this crap out and let's get
• 3:53:14
  it done. um, And but he cannot do that for whatever.
• 3:53:20
  He's gotten rid of a few things I guess it is.
• 3:53:23
  You know judgment. Now he's a little better and I
• 3:53:26
  you know I guess it is I guess but it kind of looks like all
• 3:53:30
  they've really done is kind of move the the junk around.
• 3:53:34
  That's well, yeah, cuz you got rid of a few things and then
• 3:53:36
  brought in other stuff cuz, like, wood for cabinets or
• 3:53:39
  something like that. So, you know, that's the thing
• 3:53:43
  I, I think and I do, look, I do believe this guy, there's no way
• 3:53:47
  he can do it by himself. He is too old and it's too much
• 3:53:51
  crap. We've looked at the pictures
• 3:53:53
  online over the years. How there's, I mean, Dan you and
• 3:53:57
  me and we could take everybody in our chat and like 10 more
• 3:54:01
  people, and I don't think we could all do that.
• 3:54:04
  Right? If you give us a month.
• 3:54:06
  Yeah, but yeah a month. Yeah, maybe I mean maybe and you
• 3:54:10
  know again that assumes that the weather would cooperate because
• 3:54:13
  then there would be weather issues because we'd have to be
• 3:54:16
  out there every single day. That bulldozer we just need to
• 3:54:20
  have a somebody to operate that bulldozer and just Like take it
• 3:54:26
  all down but and then a big truck to drive all this stuff to
• 3:54:29
  the dump. The landfill, honestly, the the
• 3:54:33
  play, there might just be to turn that particular plot into a
• 3:54:36
  landfill. I bulldoze it and folded in on
• 3:54:40
  itself. Maybe actually.
• 3:54:43
  Yeah so I mean this is you know but this is why we watch TCF,
• 3:54:52
  it's stuff like this. It's um it's hoarder man.
• 3:54:57
  It is. It's the Louisiana Board of
• 3:54:59
  Parolees. It is Well, it's all the other
• 3:55:03
  find viewers. Like you, who call in to chat?
• 3:55:06
  Yes. Yes.
• 3:55:10
  No, this is I you know what Dan this is been it's been fun.
• 3:55:13
  I tell you, I will say that this these You know, this expanded
• 3:55:20
  format. This is turning into quite the
• 3:55:22
  quite the fun time. So yeah, when the equipment
• 3:55:26
  works, it's great well, and then right afterwards because if
• 3:55:32
  something's I am one of those things ones that if I get worked
• 3:55:37
  up over something, the next day, I've milled out dramatically and
• 3:55:42
  then this way, if you see something, you can react right
• 3:55:46
  away. So TCF react, we call it.
• 3:55:50
  Sorry. Yeah, well, I'm not married to
• 3:55:53
  the overtime moniker we can we can modify if needed.
• 3:55:57
  But no, I mean that's the vision of the fourth hours to just be
• 3:56:01
  able to chat about what we saw. And some things that we might
• 3:56:03
  not normally be able to chat about and do something a little
• 3:56:07
  bit different from just sitting there and watching Court having
• 3:56:09
  some kind of reaction and discussion as good too.
• 3:56:12
  And one other thing Dan you know, we saw a And I don't know
• 3:56:17
  what it is about McNally's Court in particular where we see this
• 3:56:20
  stuff, but we saw another pretty interesting traffic case I
• 3:56:24
  don't. Yeah, I have.
• 3:56:26
  Yeah, so Woodhaven drift. It was called in the And this is
• 3:56:35
  an, this is another case where a guy is fighting a traffic
• 3:56:40
  ticket. And for what reason, I mean this
• 3:56:46
  he clearly he appeared to be in the wrong.
• 3:56:48
  I mean, this is one the other one that was judgmental that had
• 3:56:52
  the other traffic one that we watched that was really kind of
• 3:56:55
  crazy. But yeah.
• 3:56:56
  Um, judge, McNally has these two that sometimes get into a full
• 3:57:00
  hearings? And, and we were going down that
• 3:57:03
  road today, pun intended, I suppose.
• 3:57:05
  And and, and this one, I, I guess I just don't understand
• 3:57:10
  why people would fight something where they clearly know they're
• 3:57:14
  in the wrong. But he wants to, he wants to
• 3:57:17
  take it all the way to like a trial.
• 3:57:20
  And does he know he's in the wrong?
• 3:57:25
  People will convince themselves of anything Michael, I guess.
• 3:57:29
  So I mean, I guess you're right. No, I mean penalty.
• 3:57:32
  Really. I'm not or maybe it's it's just
• 3:57:35
  like it. I don't know.
• 3:57:37
  It's that or maybe they think they can talk themselves or they
• 3:57:40
  can, they can argue it to where they can argue themselves out of
• 3:57:45
  it, or maybe the officer won't show up next time or they, they
• 3:57:50
  have maybe a bunch of agendas, maybe they really do think
• 3:57:53
  they're in the right and no matter how you show it to them,
• 3:57:56
  they will always can, they are convinced and in their own head,
• 3:58:00
  they really think they're right? I mean, maybe that's what's
• 3:58:04
  going on here. I know that's what happened with
• 3:58:06
  judge Middleton, that person and we kind of were on that.
• 3:58:11
  But for a video that the defense actually offered up Judge
• 3:58:17
  Middleton was going to probably rule for the defendant and
• 3:58:21
  dismiss the the case. Um and so that's you know, but
• 3:58:26
  this time you know is much more clear, the officer was there and
• 3:58:30
  and the testimony was quite clear.
• 3:58:34
  But we see this. With these traffic cases, man,
• 3:58:37
  to and listen, I don't drive. So, maybe, maybe my perspectives
• 3:58:41
  different, but I don't know if I got a ticket for running a light
• 3:58:44
  or something. I'd probably just accepted, I
• 3:58:48
  mean, I don't know. yeah, I mean, there are cases for
• 3:58:53
  breaking the law where I might Especially traffic law where I
• 3:58:58
  might fight it. Like for example, if I was
• 3:59:01
  rushing a loved one to the hospital and I Came Upon a red
• 3:59:05
  light and there was no opposing traffic.
• 3:59:07
  I'm running that light right? And go ahead and click right?
• 3:59:10
  He will fight it yes, but But, you know, I mean, if you're if
• 3:59:14
  you're in the wrong, you're in the wrong, just accept it and
• 3:59:17
  move on. Yeah, he was Speedy Gonzales and
• 3:59:20
  he wanted to get around somebody and that that that's that's the
• 3:59:25
  end of it that he gave he went around when he wasn't supposed
• 3:59:29
  to and that that's that I don't think there's anything to argue
• 3:59:33
  there. Unfortunately, professional
• 3:59:36
  driver. What caught me to is when when
• 3:59:41
  we were first listening to him, the first time through, what was
• 3:59:43
  it? Three different segments we had
• 3:59:45
  on him but the first time I was looking at other feeds so I was
• 3:59:49
  just listening and it wasn't until the second time that I
• 3:59:53
  realized this was not a young guy.
• 3:59:56
  Right. I thought he was a younger guy
• 3:59:58
  and then I looked like, oh, you definitely should know better.
• 4:00:02
  Right. I wasn't really, I was also like
• 4:00:04
  working on stuff here. I was doing, you know, whether
• 4:00:06
  and putting stuff together and so I I just listened a lot of
• 4:00:10
  times, that's what I'm doing here.
• 4:00:11
  I don't there's sometimes I just can't watch because I'm I'm too
• 4:00:14
  busy on another screen but then I did tab over.
• 4:00:18
  I'm like, wait a minute. This dude, this is no spring
• 4:00:21
  chicken. Uh so definitely changed my
• 4:00:25
  perspective on that and he was just stubborn and steadfast man.
• 4:00:29
  And and I was I was a little shocked by that.
• 4:00:33
  I really, was it reminds me of people in Ford trucks.
• 4:00:37
  I don't know. I have this, that's very
• 4:00:41
  specific. But it's like a ego thing and my
• 4:00:48
  opinion. Because they always think they
• 4:00:52
  are ruler of the road and they act like it and I feel like this
• 4:00:59
  guy is one of those guys even though he wasn't driving a
• 4:01:02
  truck, but he kind of reminded me of somebody that would drive
• 4:01:07
  a truck and just try and You know, they think they can do
• 4:01:10
  whatever they want to do. He did say he was a professional
• 4:01:14
  driver actually, you know. Yeah, that's fast and furious
• 4:01:18
  conversion on a Ford Focus. He reminds me of people that
• 4:01:25
  drive an 85 Firebird but read like Pontiac Fiero.
• 4:01:33
  Oh yeah, a Cutlass Supreme. Right.
• 4:01:42
  He wasn't driving a truck thing. I'm thankful too.
• 4:01:47
  You might have run me over. You never know what you're gonna
• 4:01:53
  get on TCF. That's why I do this.
• 4:01:58
  We don't know what we're going to get tonight either, guys.
• 4:02:00
  So sorry. P.m.
• 4:02:01
  Eastern 5 Pacific. You'll both be there.
• 4:02:03
  Yeah, the chat is in control. May God have mercy on us.
• 4:02:09
  Oh, dear lord of the demon bird, we're in for it.
• 4:02:16
  So that'll be tonight. 8 p.m. East 5 p.m.
• 4:02:17
  Pacific. Join us right here.
• 4:02:18
  On TCF Force sidebar. Thank you for the promo.
• 4:02:23
  Michael, of course. I'll see you guys tonight.
• 4:02:27
  See you tonight. Daniel C.
• 4:02:31
  All right, friends, that is it for this episode of TCF and TCF.
• 4:02:36
  Overtime, I hope you all had fun today.
• 4:02:37
  I know I did again we'll be back tonight for sidebar 8, p.m.
• 4:02:40
  East, 5 p.m. Pacific.
• 4:02:41
  And tomorrow morning for this show 9 am Eastern 6, AM Pacific
• 4:02:47
  a half an hour early for channel members.
• 4:02:48
  And again if you are a channel member you can hop on stage
• 4:02:52
  during the fourth hour just like Ashley and Michael did.
• 4:02:55
  So give that a try at some point?
• 4:02:59
  I have she sells a great Thursday again, I hope to see
• 4:03:01
  you tonight and if not most certainly tomorrow take care,
• 4:03:04
  God bless.