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Inside The OIG Interview: The Testimony Of An Unnamed MCC Lieutenant (Part 1) (4/28/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to dive right
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  back in to another deposition given by another employee at MCC,
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  and this time it's an unnamed captain. And like usual,
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  we're going to follow the same format. When I say question,
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  that's the investigator asking the question, and when I say answer,
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  that's the unnamed lieutenant giving his answer. So we're just
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  gonna get right to it. Question. Please just let me
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  know if you don't understand these questions, and I'll try
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  to rephrase them or put them in a different way.
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  Add clarification. So what's your home address? And what is
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  your date of birth? And your Social Security number? He
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  answers question thank you? And your current cell phone number?
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  Answer redacted? Question? And what's your highest level of education?
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  Answer bachelor's question? Where? Answer criminal justice? Question criminal justice?
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  Where did you get that from? Answer redacted? Question? Is
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  that New York City? Answer? Yeah? Question? And when did
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  you graduate? Answer two thousand and six? I think? Question okay?
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  And what did you do prior to working for the BOP?
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  Answer uh TSA question okay? And what did you do
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  for TSA? Answer? I was a screener at JFK. Question
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  how long did you do that? Answer six and a
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  half years? Question from approximately when until when? Answer from
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  two to nine? Question two to nine? Okay? And do
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  you have any military service? Answer no? Question okay? And
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  how long have you served with the Federal Bureau of Prisons?
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  Answer like about twenty years? Question about twenty years? Answer yeah?
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  Question oh okay? So did you do it while you
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  were with the TSA? Answer I did TSA is and
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  I he gets cut off by the investigator. No, no.
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  With the BOP, how long have you served with the BOP?
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  Answer the BOP twelve years? Question twelve years? Okay? From
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  when until when? Answer oh nine? To present? Question what
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  was your answer? Duty date? Answer June twenty first, I
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  think two thousand and nine. Question okay? Any breaks of
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  service answer nah? Question okay? And when did you do
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  you know when you graduated BOP training? Answer? I think
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  it's September or August. Question of two thousand and nine.
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  Answer you're talking about Glencoe right question yeah? Answer yeah?
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  Oh nine? Question okay? And when and where was your
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  first office assignment with the BOP? Answer New York? Question
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  which institution? Answer MCC question were you with MCC the
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  whole time? Answer yeah? Question oh okay, And when did
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  you become a lieutenant? Answer what's this? Twenty one, twenty
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  nineteen eighteen. I think December seventeenth. I did a temp.
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  Question December of twenty seventeen. Answer seventeen. Yeah. Question, And
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  when did you leave the MCC. Answer I left December
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  of nineteen. Question December of twenty nineteen. Answer yeah. Question
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  And then is that when you came here to FCI
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  Danbury answer yeah. Question and did you come here for
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  a promotion? Answer yeah. Question so you were a GS
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  nine lieutenant? Answer I was a nine there, but I
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  got TDY down down there, so I was an eleven
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  down there? Question oh you were? Answer yeah, I got
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  TDY for about four months. Question okay, can you just
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  what does that mean? Answer temporary duty Like I was
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  picked up. I got my promotion, but I had to
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  stay down there for a few months until I came
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  up here. Question okay, So FCI Danberry you were promoted
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  to an eleven, but they had you stay down there
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  as an eleven for four months? Answer yeah. Question So
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  when were you actually picked up? Answer about three months
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  in October September October November three months. Yeah. Question, So
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  when did you actually get your promotion? Answer September question
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  of twenty nineteen. Answer yeah. Question, And when did you
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  physically come to the FCI Danberry Answer December. Question December? Okay,
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  And your current position is still gs eleven and lieutenant
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  answer yeah. Question. And what was your position at the
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  MCC on August ninth and tenth of twenty nineteen? Answer
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  August you said tenth. Question yeah, so August you said
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  September you got your eleven, So I'm assuming in August
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  of twenty nineteen he gets cut off by the lieutenant.
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  I was a nine then, yeah, in August. Yeah. Question
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  and this is just for my own knowledge. What's the
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  difference between a nine lieutenant and an eleven lieutenant? Answer?
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  Pretty much you could if you if you're at nine,
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  you can't run the institution because it's not a higher rank.
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  So like eleven or the only ones who can without
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  a captain, you're the highest, but a nine you can't
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  be the highest. Question So does that mean like as
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  far as like being the ops lieutenant versus the activities lieutenant? Answer? Nah,
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  you could be ops as nine. Question okay, answer, but
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  but he gets cut off by the investigator. So like
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  acting captain, you mean answer no, say like if it's
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  a nine, it's like evening watch four to twelve or midnight.
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  The eleven is the highest authority question? Okay, answer as
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  a nine. You can't do that. You have to have
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  eleven or above for nine to be an authority question. Okay,
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  So you can be an obsolute tenant, but somebody else
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  has to be there that's higher than you. Answer yeah,
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  if you are a nine. Yeah. Question Okay, do you
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  recall what shift you worked on August ninth and tenth
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  of twenty nineteen. Answer August ninth. What day was that question?
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  It's August ninth. Sorry, we'll just talk about August ninth.
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  August ninth, twenty nineteen. That was the day before Epstein
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  was found dead. It was a Friday. Answer, so the
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  Friday I probably was daywatch. Question. Okay. I'm going to
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  give you the daily roster for that date, just so
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  you can reprint it. Anytime I give you a document.
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  You don't have to do it right away, but you can.
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  I'm just going to have you initial in date each document.
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  It's just for the record. We can say that the
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  document that you looked at and we don't like replace something,
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  you know what I mean? So on that, can you
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  find your name and see where it is that you
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  work just to verify? Answer yeah, I did overtime from
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  say to two. Question from six am to two pm?
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  Answer yeah, question and that was on August ninth. Answer yeah.
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  Question do you know if there were specific times that
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  you worked? I know, for instance, the individual that was
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  the activities lieutenant after you, she didn't start until four
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  pm because she had her regular time shift until four pm.
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  Would that mean that you had worked until four or
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  would you still have stopped at two? Answer? I don't know.
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  Question do you usually have to wait until the new
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  activity is lieutenant comes on board? Answer M, that's redacted. Was,
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  but she wasn't a lieutenant here though. Question No, she
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  was an SIS but she got I guess temporarily promoted
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  at least for that day to be able to be
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  the activities lieutenant. But she wasn't in an attorney conference
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  until four pm, and she didn't start as the activities
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  lieutenant until four pm. Answer I don't remember, but I
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  know we usually even though it says eight to four,
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  we usually do six to two. Two to ten anyway?
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  Question Yeah, answer, we relieve people early. Question right, and
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  my understanding is it's for traffic purposes. Answer, so if
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  the ninth I would have cam on, then she wouldn't
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  have to stay until four. I don't know. Question how
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  does that typically work? Though? I guess would it be?
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  Do you have to be relieved before you can leave? Answer?
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  You mean for me? Question? Yeah, like, if you're the
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  activities lieutenant at the MCC back in August of twenty nineteen,
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  are you allowed to leave before the new activity is
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  lieutenant takes over? Or do you have to wait until
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  she's done. I'm just trying to help refresh your memory
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  if you can. He gets cut off by the lieutenant.
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  I'm not sure I know how we do it. As
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  someone say, I got you, I'll cover you. Then we relieve.
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  Question but you don't specifically remember this date? Answer? No,
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  question not the fact that like Epstein died the day after.
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  Does that help you like kind of refresh your memory
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  of what your involvement may have been. Answer? I know
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  I was doing day watch. I was doing day Watch.
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  I do know that. But as far as who relieved
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  and all that, nah, I don't remember that. Question all right,
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  we can probably just grab your time and attendance records
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  then later just try too indiscernible that down. But you
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  just can't remember at this point. Answer what you asked me?
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  Was I there? Question? Yeah? Yeah, just I mean from
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  two to four? You don't remember if you would have
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  you had to wait until redacted was actually in place
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  before you left or not? Answer? Nah, I don't know.
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  I could have been there at four because I left
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  at two. I'm not sure. Question Okay, fair enough, So
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  you either worked until two pm or four pm you
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  just don't recall. Answer yeah, question all right, and who
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  did you on that date? Who would have you primarily
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  work with? Answer? I don't know, because Friday, I don't
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  know why I'm doing overtime on Friday. I'm trying to
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  think redacted as normally not the ops lieutenant though either
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  question is that because he was a nine? Answer redacted's eleven.
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  He's shoe lieutenant. Question at the time redacted was the
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  shoe lieutenant? Answer? Oh no, no, no, redacted was the
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  shoe lieutenant. Okay, so if I'm on Friday and Saturday,
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  then maybe I don't know you have my what's her name? Records? Question?
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  This is Saturday, so I'm giving you the daily assignment roster. Answer,
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  I'm thinking this is my day off. I'm thinking Friday
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  was my day off, so I came in for the
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  overtime on Friday. If I'm on Friday and Saturday, then
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  I would be ops. That's what I'm thinking. Question did
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  you work on Saturday? Answer Saturday, I was off. Question Okay,
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  so you're not on the list that I just gave
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  you for Saturday. Answer no, I should be on day watch.
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  Question okay, answer this is the day that Epstein died,
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  right question Yeah, answer Yeah, I wasn't there that day.
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  Question Okay, but you just can't remember if you worked
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  until two or four on August ninth. Answer no. Question Again,
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  there's no reason that I'm asking you this specifically right now.
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  It's just try to make sure that we know what
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  time you work there. Answer, Well, you're trying to see
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  if there's a pattern of he gets cut off by
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  the investigator. No, no, not a pattern. It's not looking
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  at you. It's just to you know, when we talk
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  to people, we say, like, what time were you there from?
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  Just because in knowing that redacted didn't start until Because
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  there's no reason for us at this point to get
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  your time and attendance records, because again, we're just talking
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  to everybody that was there on each day. I'm just
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  trying to when we talk to you, we just need
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  to lock down each person. What time were you there until? Answer?
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  I don't know. Another investigator jumps in. We have specific
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  questions about what happened during the day, but if you're
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  not there during the day during that specific time. He
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  gets cut off by the other investigator. Some questions might
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  not apply to you. That's what we're trying to figure out.
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  So what time were you there until? Answer? I mean,
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  so you want to ask me questions up until four?
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  Is that what you're saying? Answer, well, ask you specifically questions.
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  He gets cut off. Well, you can do it. But
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  if I don't remember, I just say that I don't remember. Question. Yeah,
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  that's fine, you just don't. But at this point, you
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  just don't know if you were there until four pm?
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  Answer no question. And you don't remember relieving redacted or
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  redacted or leaving you? Answer no question? And do you
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  remember being relieved by anyone? Answer no question? No? All right,
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  But I guess then that goes back to my original
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  question do you need to be relieved by someone in
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  order to leave? Answer normally it depends. Question. Can there
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  just be an absolute tenant and no activities tenant on
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  during the day? Answer yeah, that could be any day
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  question okay, answer yeah. Question. So it's just there's these
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  are genuine questions. We don't know the answer to these.
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  So that's not like abnormal to have like just a
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  two hour gap where there's no activities. Lieutenant. Answer No,
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  he was going a lot of work up until this.
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  We're doing a lot of work. So some days you'll
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  be there, I'm quite sure. Looking at the records, you'll
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  see my name by itself. Question right on some days
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  there was just like one activity or one ops Lieutenant
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  answer yeah, question okay, And that was Monday through Friday,
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  not just on weekends. Answer any day question or night
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  shifts or morning answer any days. It was a busy
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  time back then. All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up
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  right here, and in the next episode dealing with the topic,
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  we're gonna pick up where we left off. All the
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