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The Jesse Ventura They Don't Want You To See Pt. 5: The JFK Assassination · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: W trance true, I'm a check couples the adults.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy the Show.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Adam Todd Brown.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm Olivia Heidi, and we are your hosts Olivia,
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  Speaker 4: how's it going, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Not bad, not bad?
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  Speaker 4: I got the haircut.
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  Speaker 3: I see nice, very nice, very nice.
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  Speaker 4: Been a minute and yeah, oh and uh, I watched
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  Speaker 4: the movie Free Guy.
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  Speaker 3: Oh okay, listening.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, we did a recent list cast on
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  Speaker 4: the best movies of twenty twenty one. We certainly did,
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  Speaker 4: and Free Guy came up, and I was very mean
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  Speaker 4: to Free Guy. You were dismissive of the idea of
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  Speaker 4: this movie as a movie. Yes, I I did not
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  Speaker 4: think it looked good. I was shocked that it might
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  Speaker 4: be good. And I just I was flustered and flummixed.
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  Speaker 4: And also it got more votes than like no Sudden
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  Speaker 4: Move and like it was a high respective like so,
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  Speaker 4: so here's the thing. So, so I watched the movie
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  Speaker 4: Free Guy, and it's fine. It was it was totally
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  Speaker 4: it was totally fine. I like, here, here's the problem
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  Speaker 4: with Free Guy. If I if I may very quickly,
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  Speaker 4: yes please, it like gives such an awful first impression
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  Speaker 4: I just generally really disliked everything that happened for basically
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  Speaker 4: the first thirty minutes, as far as all of the
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  Speaker 4: stuff with Ryan Reynolds in the game, and just like
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  Speaker 4: the voiceover and the I don't know other stuff, and
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  Speaker 4: I don't like Taika whit Td in it at all.
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  Speaker 4: I think he's not good.
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  Speaker 3: Really, you think he's not good in general or just not.
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  Speaker 4: No, I love I love him in general, I think,
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  Speaker 4: and this is not a good performance of his But
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  Speaker 4: then it becomes like this sci fi movie about AI
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  Speaker 4: and like sentience, and I all of a sudden, I'm like, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: I'm kind of jamming on this. See this is this
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  Speaker 4: is kind of cool. And then like you know, it
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  Speaker 4: goes back to a bunch of dumb shit that I
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  Speaker 4: didn't really like. But like I would say, a solid six,
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  Speaker 4: I was really like it definitely still doesn't make my
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  Speaker 4: best list best of twenty twenty one.
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  Speaker 3: Exit doesn't make your best no.
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  Speaker 4: No, unfortunately not. But but you know, a solid six,
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  Speaker 4: like hard above average.
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  Speaker 2: You know, like, well, I appreciate you giving it the
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  Speaker 2: chance it deserved.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you know, and and I just wanted to clear
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  Speaker 4: the air. I really I felt watching it. I was like,
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  Speaker 4: you know what, I was a little too hard, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I was thinking it was going to be like a four,
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  Speaker 4: and it's like a six, and I'm like, that's you know, good.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the Ryan Reynolds fan base, thanks you good.
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  Speaker 4: I'm glad that I know they were on tinder hooks setting.
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  Speaker 3: The record straight.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I sent an email blast out to
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  Speaker 2: my Ryan Reynolds fan immediately.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, you still have like an RSS feed of
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  Speaker 4: for Ryan Reynolds.
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  Speaker 2: Yeahoo group, That's what I'm in. So we are talking
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  Speaker 2: about the Jesse venture. They don't want to continuing our
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  Speaker 2: explorations into the highly banned, highly controversial second season of
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  Speaker 2: Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura.
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  Speaker 4: But but we can't say canceled because it did actually
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  Speaker 4: get a third season.
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  Speaker 3: But like, right, canceled, canceled.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's canceled in you know, the same way Dave
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  Speaker 2: Chappelle is canceled.
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  Speaker 4: Right, So that all still.
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  Speaker 2: It all still happened and further opportunities abounded.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, canceled.
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  Speaker 4: We were Russia to the same joke. Yeah, he's canceled
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  Speaker 4: as far as he is more successful than ever and
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  Speaker 4: is love.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and now he can just tour as that comedian
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  Speaker 2: who was canceled for the rest of his fucking life.
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  Speaker 4: God, what a good gig.
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  Speaker 3: It's great. Ah, good work. If you can get it.
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  Speaker 4: I should start. I need to start getting back into
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  Speaker 4: stand up. It's been a minute. I'll do stand up
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  Speaker 4: and then I'll just get canceled and that'll just be
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  Speaker 4: my that'll uh. I'll ride that horse until it fucking breaks.
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  Speaker 3: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: I know some people who are riding that horse right now.
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  Speaker 4: It's it seems like an extremely lurative force.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Good times.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So this episode, it's episode five, season two, episode five,
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  Speaker 2: and this is another one where I see the subject
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  Speaker 2: and I'm like, just now, you're just now getting into this. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: because this episode is about the jfk assassination.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you ever heard of it? You know, I'm vaguely familiar.
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  Speaker 4: There was a movie, right where were.
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  Speaker 3: You when it happened? Everyone remembers where they were when
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  Speaker 3: it happened. I haven't born.
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  Speaker 4: Yet, Yeah, me neither. I don't. Yeah, my mom hadn't
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  Speaker 4: been born yet, so you know, it would have been
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  Speaker 4: tough for me to form an opinion on it at
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  Speaker 4: the time.
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  Speaker 2: I personally feel like there was already a very compelling
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  Speaker 2: theory about what happened on the day JFK died, And
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  Speaker 2: it's especially compelling in that it kind of makes everyone right.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's why people don't bring that theory
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  Speaker 2: up that much. It really doesn't come up on this
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  Speaker 2: episode at all.
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  Speaker 3: But we'll talk.
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  Speaker 4: No, not at all. I know what you're talking about. Uh,
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  Speaker 4: and yeah, that's not mentioned at all. This is Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it's interesting because you could call it the granddaddy of
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  Speaker 4: all conspiracy theories, but it's also like kindergarten conspiracy theories.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, like, that's why it's so crazy that it
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  Speaker 4: wasn't in like the first season, because this is like
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  Speaker 4: this is you know, there's nothing really anything new that
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  Speaker 4: you can kind of comb over in this you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's all kind of been done.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, every even the stuff they bring up here that
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  Speaker 2: is supposed to be extra shocking and revelatory, it's all
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  Speaker 2: stuff that was out before this episode aired. And that's
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  Speaker 2: what bothers me is the one compelling theory they don't.
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  Speaker 3: Even talk about, which yep, that's a problem, which.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, I don't know when we even want
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  Speaker 4: to mention it, But it just seems like it's not
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  Speaker 4: as well known.
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  Speaker 3: Are we talking about the same theory which.
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  Speaker 4: I'm talking about the bodyguard theory?
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  Speaker 3: Yes?
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  Speaker 4: Same, Yeah, and like the idea that he was shot
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  Speaker 4: by a bodyguard trying to hit Oswald.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the gist of that theory is that the secret
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  Speaker 2: Service agent heard the first two shots from Oswald, stood
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  Speaker 2: up with his gun and at the moment he stood up,
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  Speaker 2: the car he was in accelerated and he fell back
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  Speaker 2: and accidentally fired and fucking hit JFK in the head.
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  Speaker 2: And the guy they briefly talked to, the guy behind
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  Speaker 2: that theory who researched that shit for like thirty years. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and what's weird or not weird? I don't know how
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  Speaker 2: to describe it, but people always point to the CBS
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  Speaker 2: investigation where someone was able to recreate Oswald getting off
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  Speaker 2: those three shots as proof that Oswald could have done it. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 2: the guy who got those three shots off is the
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  Speaker 2: same guy behind this theory. Because he got those shots
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  Speaker 2: off was like Oswald couldn't have done that.
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  Speaker 3: Most people can't do that.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that is I mean, we're definitely gonna talk way
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  Speaker 4: more about the feasibility of whether or not Jesse Venturer
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  Speaker 4: can pull off three shots with a rifle. But you know,
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  Speaker 4: I understand that part, and it's definitely there's a lot
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  Speaker 4: of you know, there's a lot of stuff about this
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  Speaker 4: because it's fucking you know, almost sixty years old that
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  Speaker 4: we're just never gonna know the entire answers to. But
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  Speaker 4: he was trained with that rifle. We'll talk about it
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  Speaker 4: when we get to the actual.
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  Speaker 2: Well, no, he was trained with that rifle. But when
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  Speaker 2: they did that recreation, it was lots and lots of
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  Speaker 2: people who had been trained with rifle.
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  Speaker 4: Right, No, I understand. Mostly this mostly applies to the
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  Speaker 4: Jesse Venturer segment.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that Jesse Ventura couldn't do it doesn't do a
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  Speaker 2: whole lot no for me, because he keeps saying it
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  Speaker 2: was a Navy seal and it's like, yeah, technically.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you were a frog man, buddy.
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  Speaker 2: Do you do a lot of shooting in your underwater
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  Speaker 2: demolition operations? Because if so, please tell me all about it. Right,
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  Speaker 2: it sounds cool as fuck. So it seems from the
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  Speaker 2: beginning of this episode that this theory is leading toward
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  Speaker 2: the jfk assassination somehow being linked to Watergate, which I
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  Speaker 2: immediately was like that timeline doesn't.
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  Speaker 3: Add up whatsoever.
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  Speaker 4: No, not at all.
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  Speaker 2: They killed JFK over Watergate for the fucking nostradamus, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: but it makes more sense later.
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  Speaker 4: No, yeah, because I think the I don't know, like
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  Speaker 4: I maybe it's just like one thing led to another
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  Speaker 4: and a lot of the same people were involved, But like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: Watergate and Nixon definitely keep coming up, so does George JHW. Bush.
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  Speaker 4: I love how much they talk shit on George HW. Bush.
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  Speaker 4: It rules.
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  Speaker 2: I'm starting to think that's who got this season of
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  Speaker 2: conspiracy theory bands, the Bush family.
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  Speaker 3: Because they come up r core on the next episode two.
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  Speaker 4: They deservedly. That's that episode is Yeah, George H. That
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  Speaker 4: one's way better.
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  Speaker 3: George H. W.
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  Speaker 2: Bush is one of the most legitimately shady figures in
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  Speaker 2: political history.
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  Speaker 4: What an awful motherfucker.
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  Speaker 2: Like I've said it before, but just you don't even
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  Speaker 2: have to look into it. Just think of the circumstances
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  Speaker 2: surrounding him becoming vice president. The CIA was in the
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  Speaker 2: midst of all this fucking turmoil. Jimmy Carter was like,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna strip them down and we're gonna fucking level
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  Speaker 2: these motherfuckers, which he didn't mean it, he just had
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  Speaker 2: to say that publicly. But nevertheless, hot on the heels
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  Speaker 2: of that, for the first time ever, the director of
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  Speaker 2: the CIA decides, Hey, I'm gonna run for vice president
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  Speaker 2: and they win, and then what happens about a year later,
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  Speaker 2: someone tries to kill Reagan under very mk ultra circumstances. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't know, that's always seemed weird to me,
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  Speaker 2: especially when you consider what the CIA goes on here
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  Speaker 2: in the eighties. It's they were like, you are not
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  Speaker 2: going to curtail what we do.
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  Speaker 3: We promise you that for sure.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and the Reagan thing is a whole other bag
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  Speaker 4: of weird worms.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, I thinking about all of this and
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  Speaker 4: talking through the that timeline and having watched this episode
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  Speaker 4: that is very much about this certain group of people
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  Speaker 4: manipulating things to happen, you know, the you know, for
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  Speaker 4: the Kennedy to be assassinated. Now, I like the conspiracy
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  Speaker 4: that this was actually just a Republican coup of of
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  Speaker 4: the federal and that that's just what it is. Like
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  Speaker 4: the you know, a bunch of conservative people got together
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  Speaker 4: and tried to orchestrate a way that they could retain
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  Speaker 4: power for the next fifty years.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this could be where that started because
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  Speaker 2: that who has definitely started at some point in history.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, because we're talking about Nixon benefiting and it's going Forard.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I would argue.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, well, it's definitely considering who our democratic president is. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I would say it's working pretty well. So yeah, anyway,
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  Speaker 4: that's just a thing that I was thinking about. As
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  Speaker 4: we were talking about that. It's like, oh, that actually
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  Speaker 4: makes as much sense as anything that is mentioned in
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  Speaker 4: this episode.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it does.
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  Speaker 2: So the first person he meets his guy named Ron,
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  Speaker 2: who is properly over dramatic for being a talking head
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  Speaker 2: on an episode of Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Venture. He's
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  Speaker 2: not in a white van, but he might as well be.
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  Speaker 2: They meet on a bridge. He's being pushed in a
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  Speaker 2: wheelchair by a guy wearing sunglasses at night like Corey
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  Speaker 2: Hart and the trench coat like Columbine Shooter.
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  Speaker 4: No, yeah, he's rocking the neo, you know, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Like Agent Smith.
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  Speaker 2: And this guy in the wheelchair hands over a folder
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  Speaker 2: of documents, which, again I get the secrecy if you're
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  Speaker 2: not doing it on a nationally televised show, a true
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  Speaker 2: TV network show, I guess I would get all the secrecy.
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  Speaker 2: But once you know there's cameras that are going to
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  Speaker 2: be there, just do it in Arby's.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Arby's is great if really good food.
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  Speaker 4: Right, you get some curly fries, Well, you talk about it,
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  Speaker 4: you get some.
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  Speaker 2: They got rid of the potato cakes, which that's an
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  Speaker 2: episode all into itself, that conspiracy.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, replaced him with crinkle fries. Get the fuck out
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  Speaker 3: of here. I can get those in any grocery store.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that I would say. If those aren't equivalent,
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  Speaker 4: you would be replaced it with like dater thoughts or
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  Speaker 4: something exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why you know.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I'm very sorry I don't eat it Arty's.
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  Speaker 3: But I said Arby's, but it's fine.
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  Speaker 4: Well I meant Arby's.
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  Speaker 3: You should eat Arby's. It's great.
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  Speaker 2: But again, completely other whole other conspiracy episodes, of course,
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  Speaker 2: of course, the character assassination of Arby's. So Ron said
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  Speaker 2: he was producing a movie about the JFK assassination when
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  Speaker 2: someone approached him with these files, which he decided to
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  Speaker 2: immediately lock away forever. And every time I hear a
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  Speaker 2: story like that, I always think back to Mirage Men,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm like, yeah, who.
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  Speaker 3: Gave you those files? And what's in them? They're like,
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  Speaker 3: put this in your movie.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no one's heard this part before comes out in
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  Speaker 2: the Government's like bullshit, we can prove that's a lie.
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  Speaker 4: Well, and the other the other notable part is like, uh,
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  Speaker 4: what movie about the jfk assassination were you making? Because really,
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  Speaker 4: I gotta say, there's only one that sticks.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So unless you don't know conspiracy documentaries, in which case
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  Speaker 2: there are about six thousand.
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  Speaker 3: Oh is it is?
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  Speaker 4: He saying? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Was he?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's secumentary. He didn't see you said movie? Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: this is what I'm saying. And if it's a documentary,
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  Speaker 4: that's a whole other thing. But like you know, I
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  Speaker 4: feel like, if the mirage Men are going to come
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  Speaker 4: to anybody, it's gonna be uh Oliver Stone, and hey
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  Speaker 4: that's maybe that's why he is the way he is now.
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  Speaker 4: Who knows.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Oliver Stone has taken a turn in recent years.
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  Speaker 3: Weird, real weird, very very strange turn.
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  Speaker 4: Considering you know, all of his early career.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's just odd.
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  Speaker 2: So Ron says his documents point to Nixon being involved
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  Speaker 2: in the assassination of JFK.
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  Speaker 3: And immediately I'm like, yeah, I could see that. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: sure JFK did kind of steal an election from him.
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  Speaker 4: Ah, who knows, who knows it was? It was sixty
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  Speaker 4: years ago.
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  Speaker 2: So Operation forty CIA hit squad that tried to kill
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  Speaker 2: Castro while Nixon was vice president. That's this is all
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  Speaker 2: tied to, according to Ron's docs, the Ron docks and
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  Speaker 2: I don't like the premise they're trying to sell us here,
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  Speaker 2: which is that Operation forty was behind a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: anti Castro stuff, including the Bay of Pigs invasion, which failed,
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  Speaker 2: and after that failed they wanted to try again and
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  Speaker 2: Kennedy said no, And that's what they killed Kennedy for sure.
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  Speaker 2: I don't buy that they're the CIA. They would have
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  Speaker 2: just done it again.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, Oh we didn't hear you. It was so noisy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I mean this is a pretty widespread interpret like conspiracy.
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  Speaker 4: This is one of the big theories I think is
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  Speaker 4: that causation, Like you know, he he's pushing back on
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  Speaker 4: the military brass who he lost faith in after the
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  Speaker 4: Bay of Pigs. Uh, and he because he as soon
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  Speaker 4: as the babe you can hear it on the tapes
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  Speaker 4: if you've ever listened to By the way, if you've
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  Speaker 4: ever want to listen to some fucking history, you can
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  Speaker 4: listen to a ton of private conversations that Kennedy had
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  Speaker 4: as president, and a bunch of other presidents also. But
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  Speaker 4: and you hear how fuck pissed off he is that
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  Speaker 4: the military and the CIA sold him a false bag
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  Speaker 4: of goods, you know. And yeah, you know, so that
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  Speaker 4: might be the case. But also, yeah, like you're saying
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  Speaker 4: the CIA wanted to do it, then they could just
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  Speaker 4: do it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I've I did one episode. I still have
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  Speaker 2: to do the second episode about this book called the
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  Speaker 2: CIA and the Cults of Intelligence. And it's written by
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  Speaker 2: a guy named Victor Marchetti who was in the CIA
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  Speaker 2: for a long time and he was a whistleblower. It's
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  Speaker 2: first book the government ever tried to have censored on
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  Speaker 2: national security grounds. Yeah, and one of the things he
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  Speaker 2: argues about every single president, including Kennedy, is that the
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  Speaker 2: president always knows what the CIA is doing, but the
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  Speaker 2: CIA knows that from time to time, it's just sort
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  Speaker 2: of an operational hazard that the president might have to
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  Speaker 2: come out and be like the fucking CIA, man, I
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  Speaker 2: can't believe they're doing what they're doing. Meanwhile, they all
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  Speaker 2: know about it, right, And like Kennedy knew about the
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  Speaker 2: Bay of Pigs.
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  Speaker 3: He just was pissed that it didn't work.
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  Speaker 4: Well, no, yeah, no, he knew about It's he definitely
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  Speaker 4: knew about the Bay of Pigs. He helped, like you know,
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  Speaker 4: he was shown the plans and gave authorization to it.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: That's not even in question. But yeah, no, he definitely
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: was pissed off that he was misled on its viability
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: as a plan. That's what I meant.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, I get that, But that kind
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: of leads me away from believing the CIA did it theory,
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: because the CIA is also the kind of group that
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: would be like, what the Secret Service accidentally killed Kennedy?
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: We have a plan and they just put this fucking
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: story out there that we've all been chasing as a
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: society for decades now. And I would not be at
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: all surprised if when those last JFK documents come out,
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: it's like, whoops, secret Service did it, and you're right,
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: we covered it up. You are welcome for a industry
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: full of conspiracy theories over the past fifty years.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I feel like if the CIA really
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: actively wanted to kill JFK, they would have just like
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: done like a Michael Jackson and like gave Mike told
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: doctor feel good to you know, inject him with too
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: much morphine this time, and like just kill him. Yeah,
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: you know, like that would be a way easier way
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: to get what you need done because the I don't
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: think the public like assassination really helps the CIA.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: No, not other than the facts.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, other than the fact that he is dead, which
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: they were very happy about, but like, you know, yeah,
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: I don't think that that would be their vibe.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: I tend to like the CIA is the group that's
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: always named, but I feel like a lot of our
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: more high profile public assassinations in the sixties it was
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: probably more the FBI.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: Behind well, yeah, definitely domestically.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Like Malcolm X, for sure, there were ten FBI agents
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: in the room when he was shot and killed.
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: And Martin Luther King Jr.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's actually just come out that two of
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: the men who went to prison for that are finally
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: going to be exonerated for the killing of Malcolm X
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: because the third guy was like, yeah, I was one
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: of the shooters but those two were not the other
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: two shooters, and he said that immediately and people were
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: just like sure, what.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that sounds about right.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: So Jesse has now jumped to the conclusion that Richard
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Nixon was set up, like Watergate was a set up,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: because he requested documents pertaining to the assassination of JFK.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: And that is a thread that gets pulled and immediately released.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like you pull that thread and the entire sweater
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: just crumbles into dust.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: So so now Jesse's off to interview a dead guy,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: and upon hearing that this interview subject is dead, Alex
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: the skeptic.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: Who was somehow back now.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: Was it was Daniel's there?
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Daniel's there is my second episode, okay, because I remember
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: I got pissed at Daniel again.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: Oh I really don't like Daniel.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he shows up in the next episode.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: He might be in this one, but I get them
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: mixed up because they look almost exactly the same.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: But I remember seeing Alex this time and being like, whoa,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: that guy's back.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: That's weird.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: And he hears that this person Jesse needs to interview
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: is dead and he goes not like that would stop you,
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: And then there's this scene where Jesse Ventura just has
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: this like cheshire cat grin on his face.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: As if this is a thing he's got a history
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: of doing. You know, me, I'll interview a dead guy.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: He's like what he's like a he's like a medium.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just back on his interview and dead people. Shit,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: that's what he does. So the person he's talking about
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: is an Air Force colonel named el Fletcher Proudy. Yeah,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: and he is all sorts of dead, but he left
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: all his info with a guy named Lenn so that
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: works out. He gave a bunch of video interviews about
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: how he is sure JFK was murdered. He mentions the
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: lack of secret service along the parade route, and that
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: always has been weird to me, that that is a
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: true thing.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think part of the problem is that
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: the route was kind of it wasn't impromptu, but there
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: were a lot of on the flight. It's just like
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: the fact that the convertible top was down and all
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: that stuff. And also, you know, you got secret service
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: in the car, and I'm sure there's a secret service
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: in the other cars, you know, behind them. You know,
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: it's the sixties, like it's not like they're they're thinking
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: that hard about this.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and if the if my pet theory is true,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: it sounds like having secret service shooting from somewhere wasn't
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: going to be the best idea anyway.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's almost like, yeah.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Someone shooting from a tower is what kicked all this
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: off right in the first place.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: So this guy, he he.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Says Lee Harvey Oswald was a patsy that JFK was
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: killed by professionals, which again I don't know. Yeah, he
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: makes a way to Daily Plaza to talk to Bill Newman,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: who was an eyewitness who looks way too young to
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: have been a married man with children when this happened.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: Yes, I that immediately peaked my like bullshit radar, because
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: that guy would have to be at least what seventy two?
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like this was two thousand and nine and JFK
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: was killed in what sixty three?
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he would be like, yeah, he's like he's deep
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: sixties at least.
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: Well no, but no, but he can't be sixty at
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: the time that this episode came out. I mean maybe
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: I guess he could be like, I don't know, man,
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: he did not unless he like, yeah, I could buy
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: him being the kid in that picture.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Because yeah, this would have been about forty five years later.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they just keep showing one picture as supposedly him
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: with his wife and kid on the lawn, and I'm
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: like that he's got to be the kid.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, because well if he was like twenty.
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: Right, that's what I'm thinking.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Then he would be like sixty five during that interview,
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: so he could just be as he could be a
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: rough sixty five.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: Well, no, I think he looks not old enough.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, you're right, he looks younger. Yeah, he
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: looks like.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: He is like my mom's age, and my mom was
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: born in sixty four.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he doesn't look like a senior. He's got gray hair,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: but he doesn't look like a senior citizen.
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: No, right, exactly. He looks like a older, middle aged
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: guy crisis actor. Anyway. I also, just in general, I
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: didn't really fully understand his purpose as an expert hye witness.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just saying he was never interviewed by the
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Warren Commission, but he was interviewed. Yeah, so maybe the
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Warren Commission was like, okay, well we have that statement.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: That's one less interview we have to do cool.
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: Right, It's also like, you know, like he's just a
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: guy who was there. He could have also interviewed Gary Sonise,
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: you know, like yeah, dad could interviewed him, right of course, yeah,
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: because he was there in the book Deposit shooting. Is
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: that the No, he's his dad is is his dad
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: le No? His dad helped learvy Oswell, that was it.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: I can't keep track. There's so much bullshit from the
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: last few years that it's hard to keep track of
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: what it all is.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: They do talk about the magic bullet theory, which is bullshit,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: like that's yes, that is.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: That that that was tried.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: That anyone tried to pass that off to the American
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: public as actual conclusions regarding what happened to JFK is insane.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: It makes no Like it's called the magic bullet theory.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: So the government's official stance was magic. No.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: I think that that was a derogatory nickname applied to
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: it after the by other people, was it not. Yeah,
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: I think that's what the government called it.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: But still no, I mean, yeah, it's appropriate. Which it's
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: a weird.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: It's a weird cook in the whole single shooter uh
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: uh at you know, angle on it. It's just a
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: weird but like you know, uh, there are x the
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: problem is and the problem with a lot of this
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: stuff and again the reason why literally we'll just never
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: ever know what happened with this is because there for
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: a lot of the things that are you know, called
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: unbelievable about the single shooter theory, there are still plausible explanations,
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: like they are still like something that could happen. Whether
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: or not they did happen is another thing.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: But yeah, the thing that I feel like no one,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: no theory except the Secret Service theory, has ever explained
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: is the discrepancy in the bullet wounds in JFK. Because
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: there's one shot to his head where the bullet acts
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: in one way, and then there's another shot where the
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: bullet acts a very different way, right, and that doesn't
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: happen with the same kind of ammunition, and Lee Harvey
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Oswald obviously didn't change ammunition, no mid shots, So what
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: explains that second bullet hole?
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, look, yeah, I don't know, you know, there's
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: just a lot of weird, loose ends, I think, and
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: that it's just something that one of the things that
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: has perpetuated this specific conspiracy theory for so long, even
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: though in the long run I think it has less
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: impact on the world than, for instance, the topic of
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: the next episode. Sure, yeah, but like I think one
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: of the things that's made it persistent is that there
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: are so many of these threads, way more than could
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: possibly be covered in this forty minute episode, and way
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: more than like you would have to do an entire
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: podcast separately to cover every kind of loose end that
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: doesn't add up. Like, there's no one theory so far,
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: the secret Service one is the one that comes best
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: to me, Like, there's no one theory that explains every
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: weird aspect of this, and it happened so long ago,
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: and yeah, it's just this, it's just and that unresolved
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: nature of it, I think is just just what keeps
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: it going and going.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Uh So, now we get to the part where Jesse
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: tries to get those three shots off in the same
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: amount of time. Lee Harvey Oswald is led to have
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: done it, and boy is that fun television to watch.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: He is so frustrated.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: It was it was really I again, this is another
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: one of those moments that I have had this a
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: couple of times watching these these conspiracy theory episodes is
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: I would never let this go to air like if
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: like it would be way too embarrassing. And I know
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: it technically proves the point he was trying to make,
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: but like he just is so evidently untrained with this
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: firearm and has no real understanding of how to operate it,
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: and he blames it all on it just being impossible
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: to happen.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: He also says a really weird thing leading up to
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: it that I felt like needed a little bit of citation,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: which is that, well, Lee Harvey Oswald, his rank in
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: the military was marksman and that's the lowest level. I
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: was like, what it starts at marksman that like every
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: person in the military is a fucking marksman.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: That doesn't sound right whatsoever.
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: He was, Lee Harvey Oswald was a fully trained marx Men,
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: Like he was an extremely capable shot like that that
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: isn't even in question. You can't even really debate that,
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: like it just as a matter of fact, and yeah,
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: it's extremely plain. He's like no, but no, but marksman
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: is that's like the lowest rade. It's like, what, Yeah,
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: that's why the Soviet recruited him, That's what that's Yeah.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: So yeah, he's not able to get those shots off.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: But most people at all, Yeah, most people have not
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: been able to.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: Well it's that one guy.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: Well here's the thing and again, and this is this
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: is something that it is important to talk about. Is that,
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: for one thing, whether or not he hit all three times,
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: getting three shots off within that time period with that rifle,
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: if you are trained in it is very possible. And
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: that's that, you know, it's about accuracy aside. But also
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: the thing about repeating a thing like this, even with
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: people who are you know, as skilled with the rifle,
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: you know, know it as well, is that you know,
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: he only needed to do it the one time, that's it. Yeah,
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: you know, like and he only really needed to get
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: one of those three to hit the mark.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he could have done it and been like I
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: thought that was gonna be way harder.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: Holy, yeah, I mean exactly, or you know, maybe it
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: was on the second shot or I don't know, like,
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: you know, again, I got him, wow, Like and maybe
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: he did get him, and maybe the Secret Service agent
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: shot him accidentally, like shot his dead body accidentally, and
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: then that's you know where those other weird wounds come from.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: But that's the theory. That's Jim Fetzer's theory. He was
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: a ballistics guy and he was like, I think Oswald
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: hit him once and the Secret Service hit him the
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: second time.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, So you know, like that's the that just
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: makes the most sense to me.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: That's what I love about that theory is it makes
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: every buddy right, sure, Lee Harvey Oswald was technically acting alone.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, he did fire some shots, right, but then
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: the government did actually kill Kennedy and then launched a
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: cover up over the fact that they killed Kennedy.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: Like, right, it's just not the cover up that we
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: think it is.
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess the only ones that doesn't cover are
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: like that the mafia did it or something, you know, yeah,
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: like one of those, or like it was the Pope. No,
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: and like you know, you could even wrap in the
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: Soviet angle to that, because you know, it's it's you
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: can't disprove that Oswald wasn't also, you know, at least
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: in contact with Soviets. I mean, he just moved back
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: from there.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: So you know, yeah, Soviets and the CIA both because
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: they do mention that after he defects to Russia he
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: comes back here with little to no problem. Yeah, which
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: doesn't seem like a thing that would happen during the
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Cold War. It seems like you'd come back and you'd
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: immediately get black bagged and asked a whole lot of.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: Questions by government.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: So it's possible that he his defection was like a
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: CIA thing.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, who knows, And you know, maybe he was
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: set up as a patsy after the fact. I don't know.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: Maybe. I mean, like, like we said, there's there's a
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: lot of have you have you read this is like diversion.
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: Have you read Stephen King's book eleven twenty two sixty three?
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: I have not.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: It's it's pretty good, you know, for late late period
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: Stephen King, which is you know, pretty.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Hit or miss.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: It's I really liked it. It's basically just like the
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: time travel is just an excuse for him to write
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: a story set in Texas in this in the fifties
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: and sixties, as he I'm sure is wont to do.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: But it is like, you know, it takes the single
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: shooter and just kind of runs with it, and uh,
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: you know, he has the main character like uh stalking
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: you know, uh Oswald, you know, in the in the
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: months leading up to his you know, the the assassination
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: and like, you know a lot of meetings with shady
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: Russian figures and that sort of thing. It's just it's
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: just an interesting companion and and it it's it's it,
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: you know, it's compelling enough to make you think that
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: a single shooter is not like completely uh unlikely. It's good,
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: good book. The TV series seemed kind of I stopped
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: watching him.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I couldn't get into the TV series.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the book is way better.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: So yeah, there's a weird moment here where Jesse interviews
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Lee Harvey Oswald's widow.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but not really. He just talks to her
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: on the phone and he goes to her house.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: Well, okay, he talks to her on the phone in
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: heavy air quotes and that we don't hear a single
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: thing from the other end of the phone.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not even like wah wah wah.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: It's like shitty New Heart like where he's just like, oh, oh,
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: you don't want to talk to me.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: Oh I'm sorry, Oh no.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: You don't need to call the authorities. It's okay, you know,
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: or whatever, like yeah, it's just he's just repeating what
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: she is supposedly saying. And yeah, I don't know. I
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: don't know very how well I believe that that happened.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: Well, then he got he goes to her house.
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: Right, yeah, that does that did happen.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: We don't see her face and we don't hear anything
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: she says, but he does claim that she she believed
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: that Lee Harvey Oswald was a CIA related somehow, right,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: and uh she refuses to appear on camera.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: She says, would you sacrifice your children for the truth.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, all right, calm down.
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: Well, he says, she said, Richie, sacrifice your children for
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: the truth.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Well, I trust Jesse Ventura implicitly, of course, in all matters.
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: So so next.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: June, Sarpong just calls Jesse out of the blue and
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: is like, fucking sit down, stop what you're doing. I
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: got new information. And she says she has a contact
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: who claims there's a connection between George H. W. Bush
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: and the JFK assassination. And it's like, hello, the nineties
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: called and they want their conspiracy theory back. That's been
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: bandied about for a long long time.
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean all of this shit had like this
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: is the whole problem with this episode. It's like this
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: is all well tried territory by many many people.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I had never I don't think i'd ever heard
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: the claim that George W. Bush at one point was like, yeah,
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: I don't remember where I was when JFK was assessed.
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: Georgia Shap George H. W. No, I hadn't heard that bit.
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: That's funny if.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: That's true, that come on.
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: But also I could absolutely see him not remembering where
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: he was when JFK.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: Was shot, except for the fact that he was in Dallas.
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: Yes, I know that's what I mean. It didn't have
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: all his marbles towards the end.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: Well, that's not towards the end, that was nineteen sixty three.
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: Well, but the question was asked of him later though,
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: Oh was it? I think so still Anyway, regardless, even
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: in nineteen sixty three, I'm sure he couldn't remember like
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: fucking witch shoe to put on first. Anyway.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: So there's this figure that comes up a bunch in
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: this George des Morn Shield.
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, who famous sin conspiracy theories.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: I think, yes, especially this one, especially this one because
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: he has connections to Lee Harvey Oswald, which Oswald's wife
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: allegedly confirmed to Jesse Ventura that Oswald was in touch
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: with George de Mornshield and he also has connections to
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: George hw Bush, so much so that he allegedly wrote
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: George hw Bush a letter and was like, hey, I
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: need some help. I think I'm in trouble. I may
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: have talked a little too much about the JFK thing
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: and people might be after me now.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: And he ends up dead from.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: A shotgun wound to the head about six months after
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: sending that letter.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: Sounds like natural causes.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was probably hw Bush. Body count. Who's keeping
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: track of that one?
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: Oh my god? Who can so?
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Jesse heads to La to interview Vincent Bugliosi, who was
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: the prosecutor who put Charles Manson away.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: And he's a tool. This guy's a fucking tool.
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: Well he's a prosecutor.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this whole thing is Look, man, the Warren Commission
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: said Leejaveallswold acted alone, and that's like his whole basis
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: for everything.
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no one believes the Warren Commission that guy. Uh yeah,
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: he was a belligerent ass. I was not a fan
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: of him.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: He uh he makes him turn the camera off event.
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was funny. I did like that part, I
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: will say.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: And for now no real reason, Like Jesse venture is
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: just like whoa what about?
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: And the guy like gets irate.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: I think maybe he was just like annoyed.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: By jesse Ventura. That doesn't true.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: No, how could that happen?
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: That doesn't add up at all.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: He doesn't seem like a lot to deal with.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: So the last person jesse Ventura talks to is Saint
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: John Hunt, the son of E. Howard Hunt, who is
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: a very famous figure in political history. He is one
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: of the Watergate perpetrators. Yes, Cia, guy.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: Go ahead, it's a I got it.
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: Is a move to name your kids saint Saint it is, Yeah,
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: Saint John sacked John. I guess it's like his dad's
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: e out E Howard. Is that so it's like Saint John?
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: Is that?
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: Is that the logic there?
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: I don't know, Uh yeah, I have no idea anyway.
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: I just think that's a yeah, you know, it's a
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: bold name. It's a bold move, bold move, A lot
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: of expectations there.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: He thinks his dad was one of the three tramps
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: who were arrested shortly after Kennedy was killed, which they've
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: always been an interesting side detail to the story for me.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: One of them does actually look like e. Howard hunt
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: for Ky in the fact he does, he fucking does.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: One of the things people said about them is like
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: they look too well dressed and like their fingernails weren't dirty.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: But they're tramps. They're like hobos. Yeah, that doesn't super
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: duper add up.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: And here's the thing.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: You talk to, uh, people who sell drugs, like if
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: you've seen the wire, like that comes up on the wire,
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Like this guy's about to go out and do undercover
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: work and another cop stops him and is like, look
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: at your shoes. They're beautiful. Yeah, like you don't look
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: like a drug addict at all. Those shoes would be
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: wrecked if you were who you are actually trying to be.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: So that is it is an oversight that happens when
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: people are doing undercover shit.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: But here's the thing.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: I kind of expect the CIA to be there, whether
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: they killed Kennedy he or not.
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: Sure, Yeah, I mean totally. I mean, you know, the
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: CIA is probably you know, in my backyard right now.
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: I don't know they're everywhere.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they really are. But his dad gave a
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: deathbed confession and said he participated in the assassination of JFK. Yeah,
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: and he he claimed LBJ was involved because he had
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: a maniacal desire to become president, which is.
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: Unquote Yeah, I mean that tracks.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: And the thing is the this episode doesn't really present
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: any theory in particular, It just throws out a bunch
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: of theories that had been kind of covered before.
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the tactic of one of the of an
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: episode of the show when they don't really have an
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: interesting hook. Honestly, they just kind of throw everything at
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: the wall and see what is the stickiest. I guess,
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: because like, you know, the big through line is like
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: the Nixon Watergate stuff, but even that gets picked up
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: and dropped, and you know, they move on to a
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: bunch of stuff that doesn't make sense if it's involved
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: with Nixon and Watergate. And yeah, they don't have a viewpoint.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a frustrating episode.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: And I don't know, I guess the theory that we
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: wanted to invade Cuba again and Kennedy wouldn't let us
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: that seems like the only real theory they present.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: I don't buy it. Yeah, Nah, I don't buy it.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: I still buy I still I still stand by the
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: Secret Service. Yeah, accident we killed Kennedy.
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: That's the one that I think, like I said, covers
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: the most of the loose ends, even if it still
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: misses some of the weird stuff like that just makes
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: the most sense.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't know. We won't find out until
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: Biden declassifies all those documents.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: Oh for sure. Yeah. No, well then we'll definitely find
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: out for sure.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: Trying to do that too.
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: I think, so who knows what the fuck you he
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: was trying to do? So much dumb shit. Like here's
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: the thing, and you know, first of all, we'll never
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: know no matter how many documents get declassified. This is
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: just something we'll never know when there will always be
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: different theories about it.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: But also, and this is again I've said this before
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: and I'll probably say it again about these big like
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: this and nine to eleven, And like, I just don't
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: think it matters. I really don't. I don't think it
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: materially affects our world at all.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, not at this point.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: No, I mean, like it's already on the ball, Like
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: everything that has happened has happened.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that and it's not just because of a
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: time thing like there are things that have happened a
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: long time ago that I feel like if we found
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: out like Roswell, Like if we definitively knew what happened.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: At Roswell, Yeah, that would probably have.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Some implications for for sure life today. But this, yeah, no,
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: I find out what the CIA was shady in the sixties.
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean like even other assassination things, you know,
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: or other like CIA plots, and like there's just other
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: things that have like have a more concrete effect on
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: our lives other than like here's the thing, Like here's
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: the thing. JFK probably wasn't going to get re elected.
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: I mean maybe who knows.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: But like.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: The world would have still gone to shit over the
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: last sixty years regardless of whether JFK was assassinated or not,
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: and especially regardless of whether one person assassinated him and
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: another person didn't or whatever. Like the who did it
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: is easily the least important part, except for getting to
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: the motive. But like, I just don't see an outcome
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: where we still don't have a consolidation of conservative interests
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: around the country, and you know, continuing restrictions and capitalism
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: taking over and just all the things that are truly
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: causing us pain today. I don't think would have changed otherwise.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, is JFK the least important of those political assassinations
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: of that time? I mean because Max Fred Hampton and
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Martin Luther King Junior are kind of like, yeah, three
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: heads of the same thing in terms of importance, Like
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: they were three facets one thing that had they coalesced, woof,
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: that was going to be a problem for the government.
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: I think RFK has to be the least consequential one,
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: just because he wasn't even president, like JFK was at
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: least president and did like cause a ripple effect of
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: other things outside of the whole conspiracy of who killed
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: him and why? So I think that has to be
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: more important. But like as far as compared to like
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: Malcolm X or MLK or you know a lot of
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: people from that era I can think of that would
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: definitely had a bigger impact. Fucking John Lennon I think
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: had a bigger is assassination kind of had a bigger
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: impact on our current world.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh man, so we cracked the case. We know
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: what happened to JFK. Thank you, Governor, We appreciate it.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: On the next one, of these episodes. The next bonus up,
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: we're covering a really interesting episode. Yeah, from season two.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: A's season two episode six. It's called world Wide Water Conspiracy,
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: and uh it's it's an alarming episode. And you can
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: tell it's alarming subject matter because at one point Alex
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Jones shows up to just throw some bullshit into the mix.
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: God. Yeah, yes, yes, just like the last episode that
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: was actually about real stuff.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's what Alex Jones does. He was Infiltrader.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: I was fucking right on that episode the course. Ugh,
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: that guy.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: So until then, do we have anything to plug before
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: we get out of here?
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: Olivia? Uh?
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: You know you follow me on Twitter at high there Hidar.
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: Uh Yeah, that's it for now.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: I maybe later you can follow me on Twitter and
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• 48:59
  Speaker 3: I know. I said I was going to start.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Using the Conspiracy Instagram not too long ago, and then
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: I've been sick for something like four to six weeks.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm glad you're feeling better.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: I'm feeling a little better. Like I can work, I.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Don't have to sleep eighteen hours a day. So maybe
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: I will get to that conspiracy Instagram soon. But yeah,
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: so there's that, and I think that's it. As always,
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: check your pets for tics. That is the official sign
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: off of the show and let's get out of here.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: Olivia say goodbye, bye, goodbye everybody.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: We love you.