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22 Panels Episode #256 - 50 Years of Fantagraphics · 22 Panels - A Comic Book Podcast

• 0:01
  Tyler Johnson: Hey, everyone, welcome back to 22 Panels. This is the podcast that aims to examine, explore, and elevate the medium of comics, and today we're talking magic together. No, I'm just kidding. Across the interwebs.
• 0:17
  Tyler Johnson: Is Tad and Phil… hey, fellas!
• 0:20
  Phil: Good.
• 0:21
  Tad Eggleston: Hey!
• 0:22
  Tyler Johnson: Just before we got on here…
• 0:24
  Tad Eggleston: Eddie says, don't forget me.
• 0:25
  Phil: you.
• 0:26
  Tyler Johnson: And Eddie. Just before we got on, I was going off on how Magic is doing in my store, so Dad was patiently waiting to hit the record.
• 0:35
  Phil: I mean, you know, it's good… I think with how much magic you're dealing these days, you might be the wizard on the podcast, you know, more so than anyone else.
• 0:46
  Tyler Johnson: Oh, yeah. I don't play it, though. I mean, I do know how to play. I do know how to play. But the people that we come in… that come in for… we have several games running a week. And the people that come in to play are well, well, well beyond my skill set.
• 1:03
  Phil: You know.
• 1:04
  Tyler Johnson: So luckily, Lucas, my partner, is also very good and very competitive, so he… he's great about
• 1:11
  Tyler Johnson: Catering to those people who are are good at the game, you know.
• 1:15
  Phil: Nice, yeah. I hope that, they, are good patrons of the store, you know, because… Yeah. I mean, I've, I've… I could tell some tall tales about, not great Magic players at frequent stores.
• 1:29
  Tyler Johnson: Oh, yeah. There's a definite stereotype of what a magic, you know, the stereotypical magic.
• 1:34
  Phil: Yeah!
• 1:36
  Phil: Okay.
• 1:36
  Tyler Johnson: Anyway, I'm not complaining, because like I said, bills are getting paid. But guys, this is pretty exciting for me, though, because this is, like.
• 1:45
  Tyler Johnson: the cusp. This is the verge of… I do have a paying job right at the theater, but this is… this is the cusp of making it a real full-time…
• 1:54
  Tyler Johnson: Career for myself and my partner, you know, so…
• 1:58
  Phil: Fantastic.
• 1:59
  Tyler Johnson: I… I don't know. I'm suspecting in the next year that that'll be all I'm doing.
• 2:04
  Phil: Wow.
• 2:05
  Tyler Johnson: I'm guessing, because it's been a year right now. We opened October 25th.
• 2:10
  Phil: Oh, okay, yeah. Coming up. Yeah. Coming up.
• 2:14
  Tyler Johnson: Yep. All right.
• 2:15
  Tyler Johnson: News of note, Tad.
• 2:17
  Tad Eggleston: Well, first, the New York Public Library put out their annual list of best comics.
• 2:23
  Tyler Johnson: It's.
• 2:24
  Tad Eggleston: Great, great list.
• 2:25
  Tyler Johnson: When you sent that, I was like, this is, like, awesome. I'm like, I have these.
• 2:29
  Tad Eggleston: I totally recommend that people go through and read this list. I'm both
• 2:35
  Tad Eggleston: dismayed and excited that I have only read 8 of them and own 8 more.
• 2:43
  Phil: Wow.
• 2:44
  Tad Eggleston: Which means that, that there's 42 more books to explore, and, and…
• 2:50
  Phil: Are you saying that's a year worth of great responsibilities lined up for us?
• 2:54
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, it could be if we really wanted to. I don't know, I don't know if that's really the way to treat the list, because we'll be, like.
• 3:03
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, but, but, yeah, it means 42 more books to explore, you know, 34 more to… to possibly track down.
• 3:16
  Tad Eggleston: One way or another to read.
• 3:18
  Phil: Oh.
• 3:20
  Tad Eggleston: And, and again, just based on, on the ones that I know, just awesome. The one that I want to call out specifically, because I am…
• 3:33
  Tad Eggleston: So happy to see it on the list.
• 3:36
  Tad Eggleston: And…
• 3:41
  Tad Eggleston: frankly, a little surprised to see it on the list, because it flew under so many radars. One of my favorite books of the year, Orla, from John Lee.
• 3:50
  Phil: spend.
• 3:50
  Tad Eggleston: Sally can't.
• 3:51
  Tyler Johnson: You guys, it was so… I bought it in issues, it was great.
• 3:55
  Tad Eggleston: I did too. Yeah. Such, such a great book, so… so happy to see it get.
• 4:03
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I think it's one of only 3 books on the list that were originally in issues.
• 4:11
  Phil: Oh, wow.
• 4:11
  Tyler Johnson: Yes, I… not too many.
• 4:13
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, the other ones being Tate Bromble and Jacob Phillips, Everything Dead and Dying. Yep. And.
• 4:21
  Tad Eggleston: Matt and Mark, Elijah Rosenberg, and Francesco Sagala, and Annie McDonald's, if destruction be our lot. So, like, that's…
• 4:32
  Phil: It's a tough racket out there, you know?
• 4:33
  Tad Eggleston: That's a high, high… You know,
• 4:38
  Tad Eggleston: Other books are… I'll toss out the 8 that I've read, because I know that I've talked about them all, and so some…
• 4:46
  Tad Eggleston: way or another, all the living from Roman Murdov.
• 4:50
  Tad Eggleston: Bimbo Agitprop from Raquel Jack, not only have read it, what we, we
• 4:56
  Tad Eggleston: I talked to her on… on 22 panels.
• 4:59
  Tad Eggleston: The Dissidents from Derf Beckderf, again, we talked to him on 22 Panels as well. Everything Dead and Dying from Tate Bromble and Jacob Phillips. Forever from Ryan Box Brown, who we've talked to on 22 Panels, but not about forever.
• 5:14
  Tad Eggleston: If destruction be our lot. Again, we've talked to Matthew Rosenberg on 22 Panels, not about that book.
• 5:20
  Tad Eggleston: Which is, like, just reason to have him back.
• 5:27
  Tad Eggleston: Orla from John Lee's and Sally Cannarino.
• 5:32
  Tad Eggleston: And the tin can… oh, I guess this one was issues, too. Tin Can Society.
• 5:35
  Tyler Johnson: Pink cameras, yo.
• 5:36
  Phil: No.
• 5:37
  Tad Eggleston: Francesco Mobili. Okay. The ones that.
• 5:40
  Tyler Johnson: I haven't read that, but the trade is next to my bed, so that counts.
• 5:45
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 5:46
  Tyler Johnson: but.
• 5:46
  Tad Eggleston: That was good.
• 5:47
  Tyler Johnson: It was good? Okay.
• 5:48
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
• 5:50
  Tad Eggleston: I was definitely a fan. Hold on a second, I thought…
• 5:57
  Phil: Which I gotta say, the ones that I…
• 5:59
  Tad Eggleston: Somebody else's list.
• 6:00
  Phil: Jumped out at me on that list that, I was excited by Billy Bat, you know, I've…
• 6:05
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, that's one of the ones that I have.
• 6:07
  Tyler Johnson: That was good.
• 6:08
  Tad Eggleston: half, but haven't.
• 6:09
  Phil: I remember… I remember being slightly intrigued by Animan, by, Anukra.
• 6:15
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, that book cover is so funny.
• 6:17
  Phil: It is, it is.
• 6:18
  Tad Eggleston: Wait a minute.
• 6:20
  Tyler Johnson: I have it, but not in front of me.
• 6:21
  Tad Eggleston: I've read 9, a somehow, like.
• 6:24
  Phil: Oh…
• 6:25
  Tad Eggleston: The Nightingales from Emile Wilson is.
• 6:28
  Phil: That would look really good.
• 6:28
  Tad Eggleston: of my favorite books of the year, and Emil.
• 6:31
  Tyler Johnson: Oh.
• 6:31
  Tad Eggleston: on…
• 6:32
  Tyler Johnson: But Phil, yeah, if you haven't read Airman, you should.
• 6:35
  Tad Eggleston: on the… on the show as well. Yeah, I know Animan's totally on my list, but I haven't read it yet.
• 6:43
  Phil: Same, I guess.
• 6:44
  Tyler Johnson: I had it sitting…
• 6:45
  Phil: Pretty good.
• 6:45
  Tyler Johnson: I had it sitting in the shop on a bookshelf kind of propped open with that silly cover.
• 6:49
  Phil: Nice.
• 6:50
  Tyler Johnson: Waiting for people to go, what the is this? And no one did, so I just took it home.
• 6:54
  Phil: I was gonna say, you know, we need… we need, more literarily focused comic readers in your store. It sounds like you've got.
• 7:02
  Tyler Johnson: rate.
• 7:02
  Phil: Collections.
• 7:03
  Tyler Johnson: I have a great, you guys, I have like a comic creator's wet dream in there or comic.
• 7:08
  Tad Eggleston: I.
• 7:09
  Tyler Johnson: But you…
• 7:10
  Phil: It's comics, let's keep the dreams dry, please.
• 7:12
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, but…
• 7:13
  Tad Eggleston: Quirky… you do quirky stuff, so you gotta get together with the local apothecary.
• 7:17
  Phil: Yeah, we did.
• 7:18
  Tyler Johnson: We do, we do. I don't know if you saw that last week.
• 7:21
  Tyler Johnson: I told you, I think, last week, we had.
• 7:23
  Tyler Johnson: Voice actors from.
• 7:24
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
• 7:25
  Tyler Johnson: watch.
• 7:26
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 7:27
  Tyler Johnson: So that was a, that was a collaboration between.
• 7:29
  Tad Eggleston: that.
• 7:30
  Tyler Johnson: expense.
• 7:30
  Tad Eggleston: sensory.
• 7:31
  Tyler Johnson: Dispensary and myself.
• 7:32
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, the apothecary.
• 7:33
  Phil: I thought that's what you meant by apothecary, to be honest.
• 7:36
  Tyler Johnson: Nope. No, the ethic area is a separate space.
• 7:38
  Phil: Wow.
• 7:39
  Tyler Johnson: She makes these… she makes drinks, like, mixed drinks. And so she made drinks, and she developed a drink specifically for that night. And so that was really cool. So yes, we're definitely on that already.
• 7:54
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 7:55
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, what you need to do is set up a book club with the apothecary.
• 8:00
  Tyler Johnson: Oh, yeah.
• 8:01
  Phil: I can see that. I can see that happening.
• 8:03
  Tad Eggleston: Where they… where they put together a drink… a specific drink for the book that you're reading.
• 8:08
  Phil: I'm sure we could.
• 8:09
  Tad Eggleston: Got the space to have, like, the book club at the table at work.
• 8:15
  Phil: You know, I'm pretty sure there's a manga series called The Apothecary Diaries. I'm sure.
• 8:18
  Tyler Johnson: There is.
• 8:19
  Phil: Plenty of other apothecary themed comics or?
• 8:21
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, but, I mean, that's not necessary.
• 8:25
  Tyler Johnson: But.
• 8:25
  Tad Eggleston: But.
• 8:26
  Tyler Johnson: But I do like that Tad a book club sponsoring with a drink themed, you know.
• 8:30
  Tad Eggleston: Right. Right.
• 8:33
  Phil: Very happening.
• 8:34
  Tad Eggleston: Also this week, Eddie's is already live, Stan's is in the, the…
• 8:41
  Tad Eggleston: coming soon mode, both Eddie Campbell and Stan Sakai have art books coming.
• 8:49
  Tad Eggleston: to Kickstarter. Well, again, Eddie's is already on Kickstarter, Stan's is coming soon.
• 8:56
  Tyler Johnson: When I read your, when I read your headline, I thought it was one book. I'm like, Nate Campbell and Stan Sakai, really?
• 9:03
  Tad Eggleston: No, no, no.
• 9:04
  Phil: Wait, the mashup.
• 9:06
  Tad Eggleston: I just…
• 9:08
  Phil: it.
• 9:08
  Tad Eggleston: know, when a couple of legendary artists that I that I that I like a lot.
• 9:15
  Tad Eggleston: put… similar news out into the ether in the same week, I decided to just control… er…
• 9:21
  Tad Eggleston: Pull them into, to… One.
• 9:26
  Phil: I never realized until now how badly I need the, Usagi Yojimbo versus Jack the Ripper crossover edition. Oh, yeah.
• 9:32
  Tad Eggleston: Yes.
• 9:32
  Tyler Johnson: It's good.
• 9:34
  Tyler Johnson: Kate.
• 9:35
  Tad Eggleston: What kind of… what kind of week has it been? If, like, Phil, you didn't watch
• 9:41
  Tad Eggleston: Anything about the Jack Smith hearings? You owe it to yourself.
• 9:47
  Tad Eggleston: To… to… to watch Eric Schmidt.
• 9:51
  Tad Eggleston: Faceplant in his gotcha moment.
• 9:55
  Phil: Just verbally charge headfirst into a brick wall.
• 9:57
  Tyler Johnson: Yes. Okay, so here's the, here's the thing. It was Jack. Jack came in going, What the hell are they going to question me about and grill me about? And then very quickly, it was like, Oh, my God, you guys are so damn dumb. And it's so funny.
• 10:11
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 10:11
  Phil: Words to, on the administration's tombstone, oh my god, you are so damn dumb.
• 10:17
  Tyler Johnson: I mean, don't get me wrong. I think Jack Smith is tough as nails. He did not look worried to start with. However, he was going to get grilled about something and he was like, what the fuck is this about? You know?
• 10:30
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 10:31
  Phil: Not really.
• 10:32
  Tad Eggleston: Really? This is how you're using it?
• 10:33
  Phil: engineer.
• 10:34
  Tad Eggleston: time. You're asking me if I was at a basketball game?
• 10:38
  Tad Eggleston: Yep. In a place that I didn't go at all that year.
• 10:41
  Phil: Yep. Yep.
• 10:43
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, wait, you got it confused with a different basketball game. I think, I think it's more… Oh, is this gonna go badly for you?
• 10:52
  Phil: You guys, first of all, you botch a gotcha. That's… that's terrible. That's terrible anything.
• 10:58
  Tyler Johnson: Gotcha, gotcha.
• 10:59
  Phil: Yeah, yeah, second of all, if you cannot
• 11:03
  Phil: Place someone at a public event properly, you're bad at your job.
• 11:09
  Phil: like…
• 11:10
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah.
• 11:11
  Phil: you.
• 11:12
  Tad Eggleston: And, like… How much do white people love Caitlin Clark?
• 11:20
  Phil: I'm not sure who that is.
• 11:22
  Tad Eggleston: Caitlin.
• 11:23
  Tyler Johnson: She's a basketball player.
• 11:24
  Tad Eggleston: Okay, okay. The first white female basketball superstar.
• 11:30
  Phil: Okay.
• 11:30
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, okay, she came from Iowa.
• 11:32
  Tad Eggleston: scoring record at Iowa.
• 11:37
  Tyler Johnson: Okay, so she came from Iowa, and then during Jack Smith's game that he went to was her last season as a college player before she went pro. That's why he would, that's what he wanted to see her.
• 11:48
  Tad Eggleston: And she was, I mean, she was a big story to people who pay attention to anything like that. I was hearing about her all the time. Same, because I…
• 11:58
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, I mean, she was from the area.
• 12:00
  Tad Eggleston: And I want to make abundantly clear that this is, this is not a Caitlyn thing, this is a dumb white men thing.
• 12:08
  Tad Eggleston: She is now the center of, like, right-wing, why are the black players being mean to her, when they're not being mean to her, they're just playing
• 12:22
  Tad Eggleston: Basketball.
• 12:23
  Phil: Is she the…
• 12:24
  Tad Eggleston: But they're not used to watching women play basketball, so when women play basketball as hard as men play basketball, they decide that it's the black women being mean to Caitlin Clark.
• 12:37
  Tyler Johnson: That's just it.
• 12:38
  Phil: Is she the?
• 12:39
  Tyler Johnson: being mean to her. She's a lone white person out there. It's gonna look, it's gonna look different, you know?
• 12:44
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, she's not quite the loan, but…
• 12:46
  Phil: But is she… is she the vocally transphobic WNBA player?
• 12:50
  Tyler Johnson: all.
• 12:51
  Tad Eggleston: Oh no.
• 12:51
  Phil: Okay, okay.
• 12:52
  Tad Eggleston: No.
• 12:53
  Tyler Johnson: No, Caitlin's a… she's good at her.
• 12:55
  Tad Eggleston: No, that's… I don't… I don't think… I haven't heard of a vocally transphobic WNBA player. I think you're thinking of the… the fifth place Olympic swimmer?
• 13:06
  Phil: No, not just her. I remember hearing that there was a WNBA player who was, you know, contributing to right-wing.
• 13:13
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 13:14
  Phil: I didn't follow it too closely, so don't…
• 13:16
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I haven't heard any of that.
• 13:18
  Phil: But
• 13:19
  Tad Eggleston: And I certainly haven't heard… I mean, if it had been tied to her, I would have wound up hearing it.
• 13:25
  Tyler Johnson: Anywho, so that.
• 13:27
  Tad Eggleston: I can see people trying to tie it to her.
• 13:30
  Phil: Maybe? I don't know.
• 13:32
  Phil: I… I… again, I… it's… it's one of those things that I'm only mildly aware of.
• 13:36
  Tad Eggleston: I could totally see, like, Jesse Waters or some idiot.
• 13:41
  Tad Eggleston: using her… As somebody that needs to be protected from men playing girls' sports.
• 13:49
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah.
• 13:50
  Phil: Which isn't happening in the WNBA at all.
• 13:52
  Tad Eggleston: No, it really isn't, and… Yeah.
• 13:56
  Tyler Johnson: Not in the WNBA at all, you know.
• 13:58
  Tad Eggleston: And I don't… and I don't think that, honestly, I don't think that they'd need protection. I think that they would, probably hold their own pretty well.
• 14:08
  Phil: The evidence out there is that it's not a.
• 14:12
  Tad Eggleston: I.
• 14:12
  Phil: You know the sciences. Anyway, I.
• 14:14
  Tad Eggleston: decide.
• 14:15
  Phil: A picture of Caitlin Clark? No, that is not the person.
• 14:17
  Tad Eggleston: supply.
• 14:18
  Phil: thinking of is blonde. So,
• 14:19
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 14:20
  Phil: Apologies for the confusion.
• 14:22
  Tad Eggleston: So, so, yeah, so that, on a much brighter note, and I'm so happy that people are starting to finally actually notice the candidate. He was actually… he gave a great interview on Pod Save America yesterday.
• 14:38
  Tad Eggleston: Kansas.
• 14:41
  Tad Eggleston: Like the band? No, no.
• 14:44
  Phil: I was imagining the state.
• 14:45
  Tad Eggleston: The state that hasn't elected a Democratic senator in 94 years.
• 14:52
  Tyler Johnson: Yep.
• 14:54
  Tad Eggleston: Has been shifted to… Lean red.
• 14:59
  Tad Eggleston: on everybody's… Polling. And… and toss-up on 3 of the major polling aggregators.
• 15:08
  Tad Eggleston: And the reason… the reason, like, I mean.
• 15:13
  Tad Eggleston: Obviously, the reason is, like, we're looking at the possibility of a blue tsunami, you know, the administration is ridiculously unpopular, that sort of thing, but I honestly think in Kansas, the bigger reason is Adam Hamilton. Adam Hamilton is a Methodist minister, the only Methodist minister who
• 15:30
  Tad Eggleston: has ever managed to build a megachurch. You know, they have 24,000 at his church every weekend, and upwards of 100,000 on
• 15:45
  Tad Eggleston: Easter and Christmas, right.
• 15:49
  Tad Eggleston: But… and, like, the way he describes his congregation is it's 35% Republican, 35% Democrat, and 30% Independent.
• 16:00
  Tad Eggleston: He… he, when asked the question about being
• 16:04
  Tad Eggleston: Liberal or conservative, he just says yes.
• 16:08
  Tad Eggleston: And then explains, you know, liberal.
• 16:11
  Phil: Oh.
• 16:12
  Tad Eggleston: is… Open to change to making things better. Of course I want to make things better. Conservative is…
• 16:20
  Tad Eggleston: preserving our values and the things that are important to us. Of course we should conserve the things that are important to us. Why aren't we all?
• 16:29
  Tad Eggleston: Both.
• 16:32
  Tyler Johnson: Yep,
• 16:33
  Phil: It's a solid message, you know?
• 16:35
  Tad Eggleston: Which some of that is politicking, and like…
• 16:37
  Phil: What's he running as?
• 16:39
  Tad Eggleston: He's running as a Democrat.
• 16:41
  Phil: Okay.
• 16:41
  Tad Eggleston: He has at times been a registered at times in his life been a registered Republican. : He spent a couple of years working on a committee that Obama put together.
• 16:52
  Tad Eggleston: And, gave the… the opening prayer at, I think, the second inauguration.
• 16:58
  Phil: -H.
• 17:01
  Tad Eggleston: I've actually known Adam Hamilton for a long time, because he writes books that get used in Methodist
• 17:07
  Tad Eggleston: Bible studies?
• 17:09
  Tad Eggleston: I'm certain other Bible studies as well, but I grew up Methodist, and, like, when and if I've been part of Bible studies, they've almost always been Methodist ones. But, like.
• 17:21
  Tad Eggleston: The two that stand out, or the three that stand out to me.
• 17:25
  Tad Eggleston: among the books that he's written is he wrote a book called Christianity and World Religions, where he really tried to teach about other religions and talk about, okay, how are they different?
• 17:38
  Tad Eggleston: How are they the same? What can we learn from them?
• 17:43
  Phil: That's cool. I like the sound of that.
• 17:45
  Tad Eggleston: Right. Another book.
• 17:47
  Tad Eggleston: called Christianity's Family Tree, where he went through the different denominations, and again, similar, you know, how are they different, how are they the same, what can we learn, you know?
• 17:56
  Phil: How.
• 17:56
  Tad Eggleston: something.
• 17:57
  Phil: Little.
• 17:58
  Tad Eggleston: bit more history. Well, I mean.
• 18:01
  Phil: It's important, though.
• 18:02
  Tad Eggleston: I, I think that that one's got a lot of value if for no other reason than, like
• 18:08
  Tad Eggleston: So many people will… particularly… Even so many people who, who…
• 18:16
  Tad Eggleston: are Christians, but certainly people who are non-Christians.
• 18:22
  Tad Eggleston: so easily paint…
• 18:24
  Tad Eggleston: the entire religion with the same brush. I mean, we have the same problem with Islam, we have the same problem.
• 18:30
  Phil: 2.
• 18:30
  Tad Eggleston: You know, so I think anything that reminds people that, like.
• 18:36
  Tad Eggleston: there are different ways of following one's faith is valuable. And the one that I love the most is.
• 18:46
  Tad Eggleston: When Christians get it wrong.
• 18:49
  Phil: Yeah.
• 18:51
  Phil: Oh, yeah.
• 18:51
  Tad Eggleston: Literally the title of a book of his.
• 18:54
  Phil: Oh, I see, oh, that's fun, okay.
• 18:56
  Tad Eggleston: Literally the title of a book of his.
• 18:58
  Phil: That's interesting.
• 18:59
  Tyler Johnson: You were saying you personally like it when Christians get things wrong. Me.
• 19:02
  Tad Eggleston: too.
• 19:02
  Phil: I.
• 19:03
  Tad Eggleston: No, I'm saying Adam Hamilton literally wrote a book called When Christians Get It Wrong.
• 19:10
  Phil: Very interesting.
• 19:11
  Phil: You know, for a guy from Kansas, he doesn't sound all bad.
• 19:15
  Tad Eggleston: Right. No, I think that if you read his stuff, not only would you like him, you would find yourself dabbling in Christianity.
• 19:23
  Phil: Whoa, don't go too far, then.
• 19:25
  Tad Eggleston: Only dabbling. I'm not saying that you would go…
• 19:28
  Phil: I mean, I'm absolutely curious about, like, about those aspects, like the history of it, comparison to other religions, and especially, you know, I am intrigued by a prominent
• 19:41
  Phil: Christian…
• 19:42
  Phil: Talking about the faults of the religion, just because all too often, do you hear the… the… Opposite, you know?
• 19:51
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, there was a time where I listened to a lot of his sermons, and I've obviously read a number of his books.
• 19:58
  Tad Eggleston: And if there's one quotation that I feel like I've heard more than any other.
• 20:04
  Tad Eggleston: It's actually something from Gandhi.
• 20:07
  Phil: Okay.
• 20:09
  Tad Eggleston: who said… I could have been a Christian.
• 20:14
  Tad Eggleston: If not for the Christians that I've known.
• 20:17
  Phil: Right. I think I've heard that quote. It's a good one.
• 20:20
  Tad Eggleston: And to have a minister who…
• 20:24
  Phil: Yeah. Acknowledges that. Right. Uses that question.
• 20:27
  Tad Eggleston: So he's… he's a really thoughtful guy.
• 20:30
  Phil: Yeah.
• 20:31
  Tad Eggleston: he's… he's… he is and has always been driven by service.
• 20:38
  Tad Eggleston: You know, how can we do better by each other?
• 20:42
  Phil: Yeah.
• 20:43
  Tad Eggleston: You know, it's not about me telling you what you should or shouldn't do, it's about me asking myself, how can I help you?
• 20:53
  Tad Eggleston: You know, that to him is, like, the definition of Christianity.
• 20:59
  Tad Eggleston: Which is part of how he wound up running for Congress, or Senate.
• 21:04
  Tad Eggleston: Like, apparently, he'd said one too many times to his wife, somebody needs to do something about this, and finally she turned to him and said, Adam?
• 21:13
  Tad Eggleston: You're somebody.
• 21:16
  Phil: That's funny.
• 21:20
  Tyler Johnson: He got sick of it.
• 21:23
  Tad Eggleston: I am… I am… I am rooting for him big time. Anybody who wants to contribute or find out other ways to help for his campaign… with his campaign, it's Hamiltonforcandidates.com.
• 21:37
  Tad Eggleston: Pretty certain.com. Let me make certain that it's not a .org. That would be… Yeah, that would be embarrassing.
• 21:48
  Phil: And.
• 21:49
  Tyler Johnson: Hamilton for Kansas dot porn.
• 21:52
  Tad Eggleston: No, it is, it is.
• 21:54
  Phil: I'm sure it can be a thing, but I don't think… I don't think that's a prominent thing. I don't know what kind of websites you're going to, Tyler.
• 21:59
  Tad Eggleston: AI.
• 22:01
  Tyler Johnson: Oh.
• 22:01
  Tad Eggleston: No, it should be.
• 22:03
  Tyler Johnson: Hold on, I just want to clear something up. They're porn sites.
• 22:06
  Phil: Okay, okay.
• 22:07
  Tyler Johnson: I just wanted to be clear.
• 22:08
  Phil: I wasn't familiar with, that…
• 22:10
  Tad Eggleston: He's all about WhiteHouse.com.
• 22:16
  Phil: Wow, alright, just really getting that governmental information.
• 22:20
  Tad Eggleston: But, no, actually, I mean, here's how much Hamilton has the Republicans scared. The, the… national…
• 22:32
  Tad Eggleston: Republican donors and whatnot have just announced that they're pouring $12 million into Kansas.
• 22:40
  Phil: Okay, yeah, so they're, they're, They're certainly scared.
• 22:46
  Tad Eggleston: I would be willing to bet that it's… never happened that $12 million got poured into Kansas.
• 22:54
  Phil: I mean, it's…
• 22:55
  Tad Eggleston: from.
• 22:55
  Phil: So.
• 22:56
  Tad Eggleston: hearing.
• 22:57
  Phil: So redlocked for so… like, the…
• 22:59
  Tad Eggleston: exactly.
• 22:59
  Phil: Possibility of a seat being.
• 23:03
  Phil: care.
• 23:03
  Tad Eggleston: But, but, but, like, I, I… you know, not everybody's gonna love this thing, and I understand people who don't like organized religion at all, etc.
• 23:15
  Tad Eggleston: But he has long been somebody that I've said.
• 23:19
  Tad Eggleston: is worth… Exploring.
• 23:24
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I've often said, like, if you take… if you take the religion away from it, Jesus is a great teacher. That's true of Hamilton as well. I think they're both teachers even… they're great teachers even with the religion, but the religion is the only thing getting in the way of…
• 23:42
  Tad Eggleston: You being, you know.
• 23:46
  Tad Eggleston: And I hope, because I think he'd be a very steady and calming voice in Congress.
• 23:56
  Phil: I.
• 23:57
  Tad Eggleston: Tributes.
• 23:58
  Phil: I like the Christian leader who is openly…
• 24:04
  Phil: you know, creating more space for outside Christianity, you know, with that, hey, here's the other religions of the world sort of thing. One of the things that turns me off about a lot of Christians and Christianity is, like, that
• 24:19
  Phil: the… the evangelical… the evangelism of it. The, like, trying to convert everyone, and…
• 24:27
  Tad Eggleston: And certainly the loud evangelists are like.
• 24:30
  Phil: exactly.
• 24:31
  Tad Eggleston: But like.
• 24:31
  Phil: Yes.
• 24:32
  Tad Eggleston: Something that I've seen a lot that I've been really happy about is more and more churches at Pride events.
• 24:38
  Phil: Yeah, yeah. And that is hard.
• 24:41
  Tad Eggleston: Even in South Dakota.
• 24:43
  Tad Eggleston: That's cool. Pride Parade in Sioux Falls, South Dakota. There were, like, 8 different churches.
• 24:52
  Tyler Johnson: That's right.
• 24:52
  Phil: Nice! I mean, and that's… that's the kind of stuff that…
• 24:56
  Phil: I mean, I've never even heard of happening in Tennessee, you know? I'm sure.
• 25:00
  Tad Eggleston: But I bet you it does.
• 25:01
  Phil: I'm sure there's maybe one. I'm sure there's at least one.
• 25:04
  Tad Eggleston: Actually, there's more than that. Because again, because again, like.
• 25:09
  Tad Eggleston: There is such a difference.
• 25:12
  Tad Eggleston: Between the way Christianity is.
• 25:16
  Tad Eggleston: portrayed on TV, and certainly the most vocal Christian voices.
• 25:23
  Tad Eggleston: And the way… That it's generally practiced.
• 25:30
  Phil: I think that there's a wide variety.
• 25:32
  Tad Eggleston: There is a huge… there's absolutely a wide variety, but anytime when there's a wide variety, that also means that whatever extremist is what's driving you up the wall.
• 25:41
  Phil: -h.
• 25:42
  Tad Eggleston: is generally a pretty big minority. Yeah. It's just that there's also enough differences in the rest of…
• 25:50
  Phil: I.
• 25:50
  Tad Eggleston: you.
• 25:51
  Phil: I think Christianity is ready for another schism. You know, I don't know.
• 25:54
  Tad Eggleston: Oh.
• 25:54
  Phil: guys.
• 25:55
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, Christianity goes through schisms all the time.
• 25:57
  Phil: It never stops schizoming.
• 25:59
  Tad Eggleston: No, I mean, all of those evangelical churches are technically non-denominational. Yep. Because they don't want to be held to anybody else's thoughts.
• 26:11
  Tad Eggleston: Anyway, they don't want to have to, like, discuss with a conference.
• 26:16
  Phil: what they… Right.
• 26:17
  Tad Eggleston: what they believe. They want it to be up to the pastors.
• 26:20
  Phil: Interesting.
• 26:21
  Tyler Johnson: just.
• 26:21
  Tad Eggleston: Until they decide they don't like a pastor, and they push them out, and… And…
• 26:27
  Tyler Johnson: Someone else, another puppet in place that they.
• 26:29
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 26:29
  Tyler Johnson: To tell them what they want to hear.
• 26:31
  Tad Eggleston: Right, right. Anyway, let's get into some, initial orders for October, which are due… I still haven't filled this in. Tyler, do you know when your initial orders are due?
• 26:45
  Tyler Johnson: No.
• 26:46
  Tyler Johnson: Not off the top of my… Hold on.
• 26:53
  Tad Eggleston: Love it when even the, even the comic shop owner doesn't know when.
• 26:58
  Phil: Well, I mean, if it… is… is there a penalty for not putting in initial orders, or… No.
• 27:04
  Tyler Johnson: the.
• 27:05
  Phil: is.
• 27:05
  Tad Eggleston: Well, yes and no.
• 27:07
  Tyler Johnson: I don't go by initial orders as far as when I order stuff.
• 27:12
  Tad Eggleston: You do a lot more final order.
• 27:14
  Tyler Johnson: I'm in… I'm in between, yeah.
• 27:16
  Tad Eggleston: Which a lot of stores do. It's probably October… if I look at a calendar, I'm gonna guess that it's… I was gonna say the 23rd, because it's normally a Friday.
• 27:27
  Tyler Johnson: I've got Penguin up here, confirmed catalog by October 22nd, so…
• 27:31
  Tad Eggleston: Okay, then we'll say the 22nd. Yeah.
• 27:35
  Tad Eggleston: But, no, the biggest reason to put in initial orders is…
• 27:43
  Tad Eggleston: Most of the time.
• 27:45
  Tad Eggleston: You can order more copies up until final order cutoff, and you can always decrease your order until final order cutoff.
• 27:54
  Tad Eggleston: But particularly with small presses.
• 27:59
  Phil: Oh.
• 28:00
  Tad Eggleston: Sometimes they've kind of set their print number even before final order cutoff, so adding isn't always possible.
• 28:10
  Phil: I see.
• 28:11
  Tad Eggleston: You know.
• 28:13
  Tad Eggleston: Because it all depends on, you know…
• 28:17
  Phil: That's good to know.
• 28:18
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 28:19
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, Marvel DC, for the most part, if you order it final letter cut off, you're gonna get everything you want. But, like.
• 28:27
  Tad Eggleston: Drawn and Quarterly, Fanographic…
• 28:29
  Tyler Johnson: So.
• 28:30
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, Drawn and Quarterly and Fanographics are more likely to overprint, but… because they're going to the bookstore market, etc. But… but…
• 28:37
  Phil: Yeah.
• 28:38
  Tad Eggleston: Even… I mean, I don't know where Boom is now, but when I worked in a shop, if you didn't order Boom.
• 28:45
  Tad Eggleston: In the initial catalog, there were titles that…
• 28:48
  Phil: Mmm.
• 28:50
  Tad Eggleston: Were really hard to get.
• 28:51
  Phil: That's unfortunate, but but yeah.
• 28:53
  Tad Eggleston: And again, I think Boom has gotten bigger than that, but, but, but, like.
• 28:58
  Tad Eggleston: Again, like, well, I mean…
• 29:01
  Tad Eggleston: It all depends on how long their lead time is to print something. And in a perfect world, sure, you'd want the final order cutoff to be before they need to send things to print, etc. But you also want the final order cutoff to be after the last issue came out. You don't want to make stores.
• 29:21
  Phil: Yeah.
• 29:22
  Tad Eggleston: Lock in numbers.
• 29:24
  Phil: Before they've seen how the previous issue is sold, yeah.
• 29:27
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 29:28
  Tad Eggleston: So if you have more than a month lead time that you have to lock in your order.
• 29:35
  Tad Eggleston: You know… You gotta decide how many you're gonna print.
• 29:39
  Phil: Yeah.
• 29:40
  Tad Eggleston: You know… And if it winds up being a breakout hit, that might mean that
• 29:47
  Tad Eggleston: That the stores that weren't already on board have more trouble.
• 29:52
  Tad Eggleston: getting it.
• 29:54
  Tad Eggleston: So yeah, that's why we talk about them both initial and final order, is that, like, if you really want something, it's always better to order it way before final order cutoff.
• 30:06
  Phil: Yeah.
• 30:07
  Tad Eggleston: So, anyway, EC, artist from the abyss, David Lappin.
• 30:15
  Tad Eggleston: With, gasp, choke! EC Comics' celebration of its boldest and bloodiest talents rages forth as Comics Master and Eisner Award winner David Lapham takes center stage, which is all the more anxiety-inducing when you're a humanoid insect.
• 30:32
  Tad Eggleston: Infected with the urge to kill. Representing Lapham's greatest and goriest contributions to the new EC Comics canon.
• 30:41
  Tad Eggleston: Featuring taut tales of tension and terror, penned by collaborators Jay Holtham, Matt Kent, Joe R. Lansdale, and more. For the first time between two covers, this ad-free special also features a brand new, never-before-seen EC Shocker, illustrated by Lapham and co-written by Maria Lapham.
• 31:01
  Tad Eggleston: There's no swatting this one away, especially it weighs 200 pounds and it's coming right for you.
• 31:10
  Tyler Johnson: information.
• 31:11
  Tyler Johnson: It's awesome.
• 31:13
  Tad Eggleston: Final order cutoff of November 23rd in stores on December 30th.
• 31:17
  Tyler Johnson: Keeping up with EC, this is the Shiver Suspense Stories 3, number 1, from John Arcootie and Ryan Kelly, from Oni.
• 31:28
  Tyler Johnson: Make a list, check it twice, because we're chopping off heads, both naughty and nice. This holiday season, chimneys will be running red as EC Comics unleashes its most terrifying assembly of sickening stocking stuffers, yet in an all-new, all-unhinged, 56-page giant.
• 31:47
  Tyler Johnson: That's right, Shiver Suspense Stories is back, and we're bringing three times the chills, three times the spills, and three times the murderous intent.
• 31:56
  Tyler Johnson: with us for our most vengeful celebration of Christmas, anarchy, and New Year's nightmares ever attempted. This has a final order cut off November 2nd, will be in shops, December 9th.
• 32:10
  Phil: The Forgotten Five, number 1.
• 32:12
  Phil: From Alex Segura, Sarah Sentry, Pat Kennedy, and Dean Kotz over at Image Comics. Decades ago, five teens with strange powers barely managed to escape the clutches of a shadowy organization known as the Contingency. Aided by former contingency agent Pauline Napier and her partner Gilly Stokes, they become The Five, a team of freedom-fighting outcasts.
• 32:34
  Phil: Years later, with the contingency defeated, the Five have grown up and moved on, leaving the world-saving to new teams of heroes across the country. But when rumors of their old foes begin to resurface, can the Forgotten Five cast off their civilian lives in order to reconnect and resume the fight?
• 32:50
  Phil: You'll have to find out, with a… when it hits stores on December 16th, and a final order cutoff of November 16th.
• 32:58
  Tyler Johnson: Oh, just my birthday.
• 33:00
  Phil: There you go.
• 33:01
  Tyler Johnson: Yup.
• 33:01
  Tad Eggleston: See, did you see what I pulled out?
• 33:03
  Phil: Is that the David Lapham page?
• 33:06
  Tad Eggleston: It's a page from an E… it's an EC page from David Lapham.
• 33:10
  Phil: Is that the one that you bought before you read?
• 33:13
  Phil: when it came out. I remember hearing that you had a page like that, that… that…
• 33:16
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, no, the one that I bought before it came out was.
• 33:19
  Tad Eggleston: losing control.
• 33:21
  Phil: Oh, okay.
• 33:23
  Tad Eggleston: And then I also got this.
• 33:25
  Phil: Tad showing off his original art collection.
• 33:29
  Phil: you know…
• 33:30
  Tyler Johnson: see.
• 33:31
  Tad Eggleston: from here.
• 33:31
  Phil: One day. One day, a spider will have an origin.
• 33:34
  Tyler Johnson: All right. Did you finish? Sorry, Phil.
• 33:37
  Phil: idea.
• 33:37
  Tyler Johnson: Okay.
• 33:38
  Phil: I.
• 33:38
  Tyler Johnson: Do.
• 33:39
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I waited till he finished to interrupt with my pretty David Lappin moment.
• 33:44
  Tyler Johnson: Alright, Fugitive X-Force number one from Tim Seeley and Athelia Fabio from Marvel. First, they were inglorious, now they're fugitives. When X-Force discovers that their leader Cable's mind has been compromised, a new leader arises.
• 33:59
  Tyler Johnson: Boom Boom takes over the team for the first time, but it couldn't be any… under any worse circumstances. X-Force has been framed for a horrific crime. As they run for their lives from, well, everyone, Domino searches for cable, but she might not like what she finds.
• 34:17
  Tyler Johnson: Final order cut off November 2nd will be in shops December 9th.
• 34:22
  Phil: Alright, next up, Pizza Justice goes global in the next adrenaline-fueled entry in Robert Venditti and David Lapham's striking new vision in the fight against crime. Eyeing a chance to expand into the Japanese market, Big Calicula smells dollar signs.
• 34:38
  Phil: The suits at corporate expect their first international location to be rolling in dough, but Big Caligula's Tokyo is coming up short on bread. Vandalism, stolen supply shipments, threats against employees. Someone in town has taken a hit out on pizza, and it's left the shop colder than a day-old slice. Luckily, they have Makoto, Big Caligula corporate detective.
• 35:01
  Phil: Eastern Division on the case, personally trained by Hank Howard himself. But when Detective Makoto goes missing, Hank suspects foul play, and he'll do whatever it takes to get to the bottom of things, even if it means burning it all down.
• 35:14
  Phil: That one, next edition of Hank Howard Pizza Detective is gonna have a final order cutoff of November 2nd in stores December 2nd.
• 35:24
  Tad Eggleston: The Princess Murders number 1 from Tim Seeley and Tony Fleeks.
• 35:30
  Tad Eggleston: the, team behind Local Man. Lovely Princess Lottie and her wicked step-sister Edwidge have arrived in the Kingdom of Sardinia, where princesses from around the globe are gathered to compete for the hand of the handsome Prince Carlo. But fairy tales have a way of turning
• 35:50
  Tad Eggleston: Grim. There's a black glove killer stalking the castle halls, and no one is safe. Now our princesses will fight.
• 35:57
  Tad Eggleston: to survive royal politics and backstabbing, both literal and figurative. The question is no longer, who will win the prince? It's who will die first, and will there be musical numbers? Final order cut off of November 9th in stores on December 9th.
• 36:16
  Tad Eggleston: How about some graphic novels? I get to lead off here. And this, just going out to anybody who's gonna be at New York Comic Con, and or, can go to…
• 36:30
  Tad Eggleston: to, Forbidden Planet in New York on the Wednesday before Comic-Con.
• 36:37
  Tad Eggleston: Mike McCready will be signing.
• 36:42
  Tad Eggleston: And I would really, really love to have Mike McCready as a guest on 22 Panels. So anybody who wants to plug us to Mike McCready, please, please.
• 36:56
  Tad Eggleston: And again, please, and like, if you can confirm that you were the one that arranged it, I'll absolutely let you co-host.
• 37:06
  Tad Eggleston: Farewell to seasons for Mike McCready, Mark Sable, and Sebastian Perez at Z2. Mike McCready, guitarist for Pearl Jam, Temple of the Dog.
• 37:15
  Tyler Johnson: What? That Mike McCready?
• 37:18
  Tad Eggleston: Teamed up with Z2 to release the original graphic novel and lost.
• 37:22
  Tad Eggleston: Rock Opera, Mike McCready's Farewell to Seasons.
• 37:26
  Tad Eggleston: Developed over the last 20 years, McCready's story captures the drive and sense of community that forged the powerful backbone of the Seattle music scene of the 1980s, as the world changed forever with the explosion of grunge in the 90s. Farewell to Seasons unflinchingly shows the brutal cost it had.
• 37:45
  Tad Eggleston: For so many artists and musicians, as it captures the lived experience of that seminal era. The glory and the heartbreak.
• 37:52
  Tad Eggleston: As it asks the unanswerable question.
• 37:56
  Tad Eggleston: Was it worth it?
• 37:58
  Tad Eggleston: Final order cutoff of November 2nd, in stores December 2nd. If you're really smart like me, you already pre-ordered it direct from Z2 with the… the vinyl single, and I just…
• 38:12
  Tad Eggleston: Anxiously awaiting its arrival.
• 38:16
  Tyler Johnson: I mean…
• 38:16
  Phil: I'm a little shocked that you're soliciting help for getting McCready on the show. I'm surprised you're not gonna be there. I'm surprised you're not, you know, an opportunity for signing with the, you know, guitarists of Pearl Jam, and, you know.
• 38:32
  Phil: I mean, I don't know how…
• 38:34
  Tad Eggleston: I applied four times over for panels at New York. None of them got picked up.
• 38:39
  Phil: No. Worm worm. Okay. Well.
• 38:42
  Tad Eggleston: Can't afford to get there.
• 38:44
  Phil: That's fair, you know.
• 38:45
  Tad Eggleston: Pay for tickets.
• 38:46
  Phil: That's fair. That's fair. Okay.
• 38:50
  Tad Eggleston: I'd had tickets because a panel got picked up.
• 38:53
  Phil: Yeah, I understand.
• 38:54
  Tad Eggleston: Whole different thing.
• 38:56
  Phil: I understand.
• 38:57
  Tad Eggleston: And it only went out over the airwaves because I went through back channels for San Diego and didn't have… I'm still going through back channels, too. I'm going through every channel. I want Mike McCready.
• 39:09
  Phil: I know, I know it's your favorite band. That's why I'm like it's gotta happen, it's gotta.
• 39:13
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, if he brings Eddie and Jeff and Stone, that would be cool.
• 39:16
  Phil: But… but…
• 39:19
  Tad Eggleston: He's the one that made a comic book.
• 39:22
  Phil: Yup.
• 39:22
  Tyler Johnson: Who's drumming now? Matt Gaunt?
• 39:24
  Tad Eggleston: you Yeah, Matt actually did leave the band. Yeah.
• 39:29
  Tad Eggleston: This last weekend, it was, Abe Laborial.
• 39:33
  Tyler Johnson: Okay, I'm not sure.
• 39:34
  Tad Eggleston: Paul McCartney's touring drummer.
• 39:37
  Tyler Johnson: the.
• 39:37
  Tad Eggleston: of other stuff. Fantastic drummer. But they put out an announcement thanking him for drumming with them and thanking Paul for lending him to him, so I don't think he's the official…
• 39:47
  Tyler Johnson: the.
• 39:47
  Tad Eggleston: Rummer.
• 39:48
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah.
• 39:49
  Tad Eggleston: Matt Cameron's a hard guy to replace. I can't actually…
• 39:54
  Tyler Johnson: Well, so was Jack Irons. I mean, he was…
• 39:57
  Tad Eggleston: Well, yeah, but… But, like, Cameron's the guy that could do it.
• 40:03
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, yeah, I agree.
• 40:04
  Tad Eggleston: I mean.
• 40:05
  Tyler Johnson: But what I'm saying is they found, they found a replacement for Dave. They found a replacement for Jack. They can find a replacement for Matt.
• 40:13
  Tad Eggleston: I'm certain, but finding a replacement for either Dave wasn't a big deal. I mean, no offense to Cruisin'.
• 40:22
  Tad Eggleston: Maybe a little offensive.
• 40:23
  Tyler Johnson: I was talking about averages, but…
• 40:25
  Tad Eggleston: Like I said, maybe a little offense to Everzies. Yeah.
• 40:29
  Tyler Johnson: I was…
• 40:30
  Tad Eggleston: Okay.
• 40:33
  Tad Eggleston: finding a replacement for either Dave wasn't a huge thing, and Jack Irons was actually the one that paired Eddie with the rest of the band to begin with, so he made sense.
• 40:42
  Tyler Johnson: Yep.
• 40:43
  Tad Eggleston: Matt Cameron, they'd all played with on Temple of the Dog.
• 40:48
  Tyler Johnson: Yep.
• 40:49
  Tad Eggleston: And was the original drummer on the demo that got sent down to Eddie to… so Matt Cameron also already had specific ties to the band.
• 40:59
  Tyler Johnson: I didn't know that he played on that demo to get.
• 41:01
  Tad Eggleston: any.
• 41:02
  Tyler Johnson: from.
• 41:03
  Tad Eggleston: So so like.
• 41:04
  Tyler Johnson: Mookie Blaylock, was that what they were called?
• 41:06
  Tad Eggleston: Well, they weren't called Mookie Blaylock yet, they were just… it was just a demo. It was called the.
• 41:10
  Tyler Johnson: Okay, okay, okay.
• 41:12
  Tad Eggleston: Like, if you listen to… the 3 songs on that, it was… it was Footsteps, Alive, and… Yep.
• 41:26
  Tad Eggleston: Footsteps alive, and… and… Either YGO or even FLOW, I can't remember right now.
• 41:33
  Tad Eggleston: And all they sent down to Eddie was… the instrumental track.
• 41:39
  Tad Eggleston: Including Cameron on drums.
• 41:42
  Tad Eggleston: Met McCready and Gossard on…
• 41:46
  Tyler Johnson: Sure.
• 41:46
  Tad Eggleston: Bass and guitars.
• 41:48
  Tad Eggleston: Eddie wrote the lyrics, and using a four-track That he had in his… apartment.
• 41:57
  Tyler Johnson: We.
• 41:57
  Tad Eggleston: recorded.
• 41:59
  Tad Eggleston: The vocals over the tape and sent it back.
• 42:02
  Tad Eggleston: Particularly with a live, you gotta be listening really closely.
• 42:08
  Tad Eggleston: To tell it.
• 42:10
  Tad Eggleston: from the album version.
• 42:12
  Tyler Johnson: Oh, really?
• 42:14
  Tyler Johnson: Well.
• 42:14
  Tad Eggleston: And honestly, part of the giveaway is the drums are better on
• 42:20
  Tad Eggleston: the demo version, because it's Matt Cameron.
• 42:23
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah.
• 42:24
  Phil: Alright.
• 42:25
  Tyler Johnson: All right, let's keep clicking along, guys. And with that.
• 42:28
  Phil: We have The Great Death from Regis Loisel and Jean Blaise, Jean and Vincent Mali, apologies for any pronunciation.
• 42:38
  Phil: When a broken-down car strands a stressed-out student in the countryside, Pauline's quiet study retreat turns into something far more dangerous and magical. Taken in by the reclusive Erwan, Pauline discovers a hidden realm of little people living alongside our own world, unseen but deeply entwined with it.
• 42:57
  Phil: As the fragile balance between worlds begins to fracture, Pauline and her friend Gail are drawn into a perilous journey that will test their courage, loyalty, and sense of responsibility.
• 43:09
  Phil: Blending contemporary fantasy with urgent themes of ecological balance and social justice, this spellbinding tale reveals how even the smallest lives can change the fate of two worlds. It's gonna have a final order cutoff of November 30th in stores, December 23rd, from Batcave Studios.
• 43:27
  Tyler Johnson: Alright, well…
• 43:28
  Tyler Johnson: My favorite podcast has come to an end. WTF is a podcast with Mark Marin. Mark Marin, Brendan McDonald, and Brian Box Brown put out a book from Z2.
• 43:40
  Tyler Johnson: Since 2009, Marc Maron's WTF podcast established the gold standard for podcasting… podcasting, and revolutionized entertainment, as it challenged the assumptions… challenged assumptions on what audiences would find compelling.
• 43:55
  Tyler Johnson: In the process, it garnered a loyal fan base and an unbelievable roster of guests, stretching out over a thousand episodes, including President Barack Obama.
• 44:05
  Tyler Johnson: In June of 2025, fans were heartbroken when it was announced that Mark would be ending the show officially. Now we can share the most exciting final chapter in the WTF book.
• 44:16
  Tyler Johnson: Like I said, coming out from Z2, final order cutoff is November 9th, should be in shops December 16th.
• 44:24
  Tyler Johnson: Jumping down to collections now, guys. I got the first one. Absolute Green Arrow from Pornstack Pieceshot and Raphael Albuquerque from DC Comics.
• 44:34
  Tyler Johnson: Without the trick arrows, without the money, without mercy, what's left is the absolute hunter. A serial killer is slaughtering corrupt billionaires. Oh no. The only clue to his identity is the mysterious green arrow sticking out of the victim's corpses.
• 44:50
  Tyler Johnson: Executive, Protection Specialist Dinah Lance, aka Absolute Black Canary, is one of the people tasked to uncover this murderer's identity as she investigates her suspects, all familiar DC archers uniquely linked to a recently murdered Oliver Queen.
• 45:10
  Tyler Johnson: Final order cutoff November 16th, will be in shops February 3rd.
• 45:17
  Phil: Next up, Odin's Eye from Joshua Dicer and Thomas Giarello. Bad idea. Solvig, a young farm girl of great promise, is haunted by visions from the god-king Odin himself. In words, she cannot understand, and images too violent for a child to comprehend. Odin tasks Solvig with a brutal mission. Retrieve his eye, the one he famously traded for wisdom.
• 45:41
  Phil: and bring it to him. In the real world, the winter season has not left the land of Solvig's people for several years.
• 45:48
  Phil: As crops fail and livestock perish, fear and panic grow. In their desperation to appease the gods and free the land of this never-ending winter, the tribe turns to the child whose visions are surely a sign from Odin.
• 46:01
  Phil: A war party is assembled. Solvig and a band of warriors, including an all-seeing witch, are sent north on a great quest, one which will change all that she knows, all who she has known, and all that she will become. It's gonna have a final cutoff of November 2nd in stores December 2nd.
• 46:21
  Tad Eggleston: All right, of the Earth, from Chris Condon, Andrew Eric, and Charlie Adlard.
• 46:27
  Tad Eggleston: From Image Comics. Tabitha Tabby Black flees a sordid life for her quiet rural hometown of Solitude, Texas, and the comfort of her grandma's ranch. Home.
• 46:38
  Tad Eggleston: where she was raised. Only home isn't what it once was, and neither is Grandma.
• 46:42
  Tad Eggleston: A new wildcat oil well has appeared on the property, and Tabby discovers Grandma uncommunicative, alone, and covered in oil. When Tabby reaches out to the oil company for help, they send Thomas Morton, an oil worker, to look into the strange occurrences on the ranch. But Tabby and Thomas discover that oil wasn't the only thing tapped by their drilling, and now it's coming for them, too.
• 47:04
  Tad Eggleston: Final order cutoff of October 26th in stores on December 2nd.
• 47:12
  Tad Eggleston: Who wants to take the final order cutoffs for this week?
• 47:14
  Phil: Thank you.
• 47:16
  Phil: First up, there's Abyss of Oblivion from Paco Roca and Rodrigo Terraza over at Fantagraphics in stores November 18th. Adventure Time, Bonnie the Vampire Hunter from Carolyn Cash and Tia Roxay at Oni in stores November 18th as well. Black Beacon Volume 1 from Ryan K. Lindsay and Sebastian Parise at Heavy Metal in stores November 18th.
• 47:39
  Phil: Black Kiss Compendium from Howard Chaikin and Image, in stores November 18th. Canto, The Clockwork Chronicles No. 1 from David M. Boor, Drew Zucker, and Vittorio Stone, and World Design and Dark Horse, in stores November 18th.
• 47:57
  Phil: Chagall from Simon Elliott and self-made hero Abrams in stores November 25th. Gangs of Gotham No. 1 from Christopher Cantwell, Mike Henderson at BC in stores November 4th.
• 48:08
  Phil: Heroes from Ineo, Asano, and Viz in stores November 18th. Lancer number 1 from Mike Costa, Jake, and Jake Baker at Bad Idea in stores November 11th. A Nobody Artist from Yoshiharu Sugay.
• 48:24
  Phil: Trans.
• 48:25
  Phil: translated by Ryan Holmberg over at Drawn and Quarterly in stores November 10th, Nocturnal Whispers, Phantasmagoric Fables from Meleg and Bong Red…
• 48:37
  Phil: Dila over at Fanographics, in stores November 18th. Rip Kirby, number one, from Christopher Zabella and Tango at… and, from Mad Cave, I'm assuming, in stores November 18th. And Uncle Scrooge, A Christmas Carol from Louise Simonson, Walter Simonson, and various artists at Marvel in stores November 18th. X-Men Incursions, number one, from Alex Packnadle and Jim Toe over at Marvel in stores November 18th.
• 49:02
  Phil: X Exorcists, number one, from Ashley Allen and German Peralta over at Marvel in stores November 18th.
• 49:11
  Phil: Alright, crowdfunding. Who's got it?
• 49:16
  Tyler Johnson: Tad, are you on this one? I'll do it.
• 49:18
  Tyler Johnson: Crowdfunding.
• 49:19
  Tad Eggleston: Either way.
• 49:20
  Tyler Johnson: Okay.
• 49:22
  Tyler Johnson: Is it Rigsby, Wisconsin? Is it WI? What? What are we? Okay. Rigsby, Wisconsin.
• 49:27
  Tad Eggleston: Johnson.
• 49:27
  Tyler Johnson: Okay. Volume three, flux.
• 49:31
  Tyler Johnson: S.E. Case, Iron Circus, from Kickstarter. That's going until October 8th. Excuse me. Shrub, the Collected Edition from Shane Portman and Andy Alves. From Fanbase Press, October 8th.
• 49:47
  Tyler Johnson: My neighbor Necromancer.
• 49:48
  Tad Eggleston: I just talked to Shane Portman, too, so that interview went up yesterday.
• 49:54
  Tyler Johnson: Awesome. My Neighbor Necromancer number 4 from Dylan Gilbertson is on Kickstarter until October 9th.
• 50:01
  Tyler Johnson: Death of Comics Bookcase.
• 50:03
  Tad Eggleston: We've also talked to Dylan, and he's in the Heavy Metal Book Club.
• 50:08
  Tyler Johnson: Quick, the Reign of the Comics bookcases from Zach Quaintance, from.
• 50:14
  Tad Eggleston: Page County represent, and he was also on… on…
• 50:18
  Phil: the.
• 50:18
  Tad Eggleston: guest recently. That's awesome.
• 50:21
  Tyler Johnson: That Kickstarter, that Kickstarter will be going until October 15th.
• 50:25
  Tad Eggleston: We, we may have… geeked out about…
• 50:28
  Tad Eggleston: The places from our childhoods. That you knew. We shared.
• 50:32
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, connected, yeah.
• 50:33
  Tad Eggleston: each other, yeah, yeah, yeah. Stratford Mall, rest in peace.
• 50:38
  Tyler Johnson: Okay, you never know. Number two from Elliot Mondry and Alicia Madden from Calamity Comics will be.
• 50:46
  Tad Eggleston: Also have talked to us.
• 50:47
  Tyler Johnson: Kick-starting until October 20th, or October 15th. Lady Machina, or Machinica? Mechanica. I can never get it right. Mechanica, Demon Seed Part 1 from Joe Benintez and JT Krull, Martin Montiel. This will be kick-starting until October 16th.
• 51:07
  Tyler Johnson: Next up, the Arts of Eddie Campbell, comicer, from Nick… Neoclius? Neoclius? Hmm.
• 51:15
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 51:16
  Tyler Johnson: Until October 20th?
• 51:18
  Tyler Johnson: Dregs! Drawn in quarterly and fantastic comic book magazine, International Indie Creators, with Tom Kaczynski, from Uncivilized until October 25th.
• 51:32
  Tad Eggleston: Tom recently, too?
• 51:33
  Tyler Johnson: Yep. Fever Dream, a cursed comic book by Becky Cloonan from Kinetic Collectibles, will be, out till October 29th on Kickstarter.
• 51:44
  Tyler Johnson: Dracula book nine, the undead from Matt Wagner, Kelly Jones.
• 51:48
  Phil: look for…
• 51:50
  Tyler Johnson: Oh!
• 51:51
  Tyler Johnson: 4 book…
• 51:52
  Tad Eggleston: 9 would be IX.
• 51:54
  Tyler Johnson: I know that, even. I had a temporary lapse of brain.
• 51:59
  Tad Eggleston: I.
• 52:00
  Tyler Johnson: Okay, from Matt Wagner and Kelly Jones on Oriak Press. Matt will be going until Halloween, so…
• 52:07
  Tad Eggleston: Or locked.
• 52:08
  Tyler Johnson: Oh, it's an L. I can't read today.
• 52:11
  Tad Eggleston: Ha ha ha.
• 52:12
  Tyler Johnson: Thank goodness you guys are here. Oh, man.
• 52:15
  Tyler Johnson: Launching soon, Tezuka, God of Manga from Jason Cohn, and then, Saint.
• 52:21
  Tad Eggleston: you.
• 52:22
  Tyler Johnson: it.
• 52:23
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 52:24
  Tyler Johnson: Sync number 18, Pineapple from John Leese, Alex Cormack from Comics Tribe. That…
• 52:32
  Tyler Johnson: Do you know what what date that's launching, Tad?
• 52:35
  Tad Eggleston: It sounds like it's gonna be as late as December, possibly sometime in November.
• 52:41
  Tyler Johnson: Okay.
• 52:43
  Tad Eggleston: We'll be talking to them.
• 52:45
  Tyler Johnson: reach.
• 52:46
  Tad Eggleston: Talk to them. And in case people… I also talked to Matt Wagner and Kelly Jones, in case people haven't noticed, we try hard to talk to people with Kickstarters, so if you want to, like, boost your Kickstarter.
• 52:57
  Tyler Johnson: Talk to us.
• 52:58
  Tad Eggleston: Reach out to 22 Panels, we will totally have you on.
• 53:03
  Tyler Johnson: Alright.
• 53:03
  Tad Eggleston: The.
• 53:04
  Tyler Johnson: Do you want me to do…
• 53:06
  Tad Eggleston: I.
• 53:06
  Tyler Johnson: Pummel bundles? You got them. Okay.
• 53:08
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, one… should be one apiece for all of this stuff, right? Yep.
• 53:15
  Tad Eggleston: I want to make certain that the image one that I took off hasn't been extended.
• 53:22
  Tyler Johnson: I don't see it. I've been looking.
• 53:23
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, it looks like it… it has been… Yeah.
• 53:29
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, it's still gonna expire soon enough that it shouldn't… The image mega bundle.
• 53:39
  Tad Eggleston: So, so it hasn't been extended, so… Maybe there's an image megabundle if you go, like, right now when you're listening first thing in the morning.
• 53:47
  Tad Eggleston: But, otherwise, we got Kurt Busy X Astro City, the 30th anniversary, $18 for 22 items, includes all of Astro City, and really all of Kurt Busy X's creator-owned work, Book Industry Charitable Foundation, through.
• 54:02
  Tyler Johnson: It's not just Astro City. It's the, it's the like kind of tie-ins too, like right Aerosmith, that kind of stuff, you know.
• 54:08
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, like you said, all of his creative… creator-owned work. I don't know if those directly tie in, other than that they're also Buseac creator-owned titles.
• 54:19
  Tad Eggleston: But yeah.
• 54:20
  Tad Eggleston: 50 Essential Fantagraphics titles, $25 for 51 items, because there's also a digital zine celebrating 50 years of Fantagraphics for the Freedom of Press Foundation through October 7th. We'll be talking about a couple of those titles in a minute.
• 54:39
  Tad Eggleston: Batman Day Comics Bundle, $20 for 31 items, Book Industry Charitable Foundation through October 10th. It's a lot of modern Batman, like, post-Tom King era, a few older things.
• 54:53
  Tad Eggleston: And then Dark Places and Endless Night. Sheer Horror from IDW, $18 for 33 items. Also for the Book Industry Charitable Foundation.
• 55:04
  Tad Eggleston: Big highlights for me in this are both volumes of Beneath the Trees Where Nobody Sees, and all of Locke and Key.
• 55:13
  Tad Eggleston: Three amazing books this week. I'm gonna lead off with
• 55:17
  Tad Eggleston: Bleeding Hearts number 8 from Dennis Camp and Stippin Morian. Oh my god, this story just keeps getting better, and this is.
• 55:26
  Tyler Johnson: I'm gonna… I'm gonna tag on with you, that is also my name.
• 55:29
  Tad Eggleston: Our heart out. Yep. Like, I cried. I cried.
• 55:33
  Tyler Johnson: Literally, because it's a story about a human heart. Your heart can be ripped out during this, as the heart comes back to life.
• 55:43
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 55:43
  Tyler Johnson: What's up?
• 55:44
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, so, so.
• 55:46
  Tyler Johnson: So, it's really good.
• 55:48
  Tad Eggleston: good.
• 55:49
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah.
• 55:50
  Tad Eggleston: Smart Division number 2 from Zach Kaplan and John J. Pearson at Dark Horse. It's an old-school detective with a new-school smartphone
• 56:01
  Tad Eggleston: digital detective type.
• 56:06
  Tad Eggleston: You know, solving… solving…
• 56:11
  Tad Eggleston: Solving a crime involving a rogue AI, so yeah, it all works out cool. And, like, when Zach and.
• 56:19
  Tyler Johnson: It sounded like you said a rogue gay guy.
• 56:21
  Tad Eggleston: No, no, no, Rogue…
• 56:23
  Tyler Johnson: AI.
• 56:24
  Tad Eggleston: I, and I refuse… I don't even like calling it AI, but I refuse to call it SI.
• 56:30
  Tad Eggleston: What's that say?
• 56:31
  Tyler Johnson: What does that say?
• 56:32
  Tad Eggleston: Well, didn't you read the official presidential proclamation that it's now superintelligence?
• 56:39
  Phil: No.
• 56:39
  Tad Eggleston: Artificial intelligence.
• 56:41
  Tyler Johnson: No.
• 56:41
  Phil: know.
• 56:42
  Tyler Johnson: Bing!
• 56:42
  Phil: I… I… quite frankly, I try to avoid as much brain damage as I can.
• 56:47
  Tad Eggleston: Well, yes, but all of the companies have, like, fallen in line.
• 56:52
  Phil: You mean all of the companies that are using a fear of technology as a means to somehow dodge
• 57:02
  Phil: cope, like…
• 57:04
  Tad Eggleston: Well, no.
• 57:04
  Phil: and regulation.
• 57:05
  Tad Eggleston: This all, this all, this all came together when they had their little sit-down and came to their non-binding agreement to behave.
• 57:12
  Phil: Oh, okay.
• 57:13
  Tad Eggleston: And spelled United States wrong.
• 57:16
  Phil: I see, I see. I mean, that's not surprising when they leave everything to the LLMs, it's, you know.
• 57:22
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah. Donald Trump signed above a line that said, President of United States.
• 57:28
  Phil: Oof.
• 57:30
  Phil: That's probably not valid. We should say that's not valid. United States… cut it.
• 57:35
  Phil: I did see a headline that supposedly, we invaded Venezuela because Trump had a conversation with Grok that urged him to do so.
• 57:44
  Tad Eggleston: I believe it.
• 57:46
  Phil: Yeah.
• 57:47
  Tad Eggleston: I didn't, but I believe it.
• 57:50
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 57:50
  Tyler Johnson: Oh, God.
• 57:51
  Tad Eggleston: Anyway, mind management, you improved number four for Matt Kent.
• 57:57
  Tad Eggleston: I love me some mind management, I love me some Matt Kent.
• 58:01
  Tad Eggleston: I don't wanna… I wanna be as spoiler-free as possible, but, like… This one, like…
• 58:12
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, you've kinda, kinda seen it coming a little bit.
• 58:17
  Tad Eggleston: And there were elements of it in the original Mind Management, but… but… Like…
• 58:24
  Tad Eggleston: It feels like… The plot line is going towards… towards our primary characters right now, like, actually trying to figure out, okay.
• 58:36
  Tad Eggleston: Who's behind mind management?
• 58:41
  Tad Eggleston: Which has been, like, one of the elephants in the room forever.
• 58:47
  Tyler Johnson: Do you mean beyond Zach Kaplan? I mean…
• 58:50
  Tad Eggleston: What do you mean behind Matt Kent?
• 58:52
  Tyler Johnson: This is what I meant.
• 58:53
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, maybe that'll be where.
• 58:54
  Phil: us.
• 58:55
  Tad Eggleston: Maybe that.
• 58:55
  Phil: graduate.
• 58:56
  Tad Eggleston: Where it goes, eventually they'll.
• 58:57
  Tyler Johnson: see.
• 58:58
  Tad Eggleston: The, the, the pencil on the paper.
• 59:01
  Tad Eggleston: Ha ha ha.
• 59:04
  Tyler Johnson: Matt, sorry.
• 59:07
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, I loved it. So, Tyler, what three did you love? And I love.
• 59:12
  Tyler Johnson: Well.
• 59:13
  Tad Eggleston: I loved your three, too. Bleeding Birds was by far.
• 59:16
  Tyler Johnson: far and away the best.
• 59:16
  Tad Eggleston: I have a signed remarked of your number 3.
• 59:21
  Tyler Johnson: Dude. The, the bleeding hearts this week tore it out of the water for me.
• 59:28
  Tad Eggleston: Oh my god.
• 59:28
  Tyler Johnson: Denny Camp is killing it. And Jimmy Palmiotti had Denver number two come out.
• 59:35
  Tyler Johnson: with Justin Gray and Pierre Brito from Mad Cave, that was really good, I'm really enjoying Denver so far.
• 59:42
  Tyler Johnson: And then Money Shot has always been awesome. This, this arc, Money Shot the Fuck Offs, number 2, from Tim Seeley and Patton Oswalt and Garth Graham from Vault was awesome.
• 59:58
  Tyler Johnson: I I love.
• 59:58
  Tad Eggleston: stuff.
• 59:59
  Tyler Johnson: Yup.
• 1:00:00
  Tad Eggleston: Good stuff. Phil, take a walk.
• 1:00:03
  Phil: Yeah, I really, you know, there was… I mean, I actually, I read probably more comics this week than I have most weeks, you know? It was a full, like.
• 1:00:13
  Tad Eggleston: You're not supposed to admit that on air.
• 1:00:15
  Phil: Two and a half bucks. I, you know, I, I, I… time gets away from me, it's weird.
• 1:00:20
  Tyler Johnson: No, but…
• 1:00:20
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:00:21
  Tyler Johnson: So, have you considered faking it?
• 1:00:24
  Phil: Yes, and it, it…
• 1:00:27
  Tad Eggleston: His wife doesn't like it when he does that Exactly.
• 1:00:30
  Tyler Johnson: You know, I mean…
• 1:00:31
  Phil: For the record.
• 1:00:32
  Tyler Johnson: Wait, wait, wait, wait. Why do you say?
• 1:00:35
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:00:35
  Tyler Johnson: Remember that Seinfeld skit right where they.
• 1:00:37
  Phil: Right.
• 1:00:38
  Tyler Johnson: Where Kramer's just like, sometimes when you've had enough is enough, you can fake it to end it.
• 1:00:43
  Phil: That's a long one, yeah, no. No, no, no. But I was, of that comic reading, I was completely enamored, blown away by, starting to read Garden of Spheres by Linnea Sart. Have you started it, too? Did you get, you get.
• 1:01:00
  Tad Eggleston: I read it.
• 1:01:01
  Phil: Long time.
• 1:01:02
  Tad Eggleston: ago.
• 1:01:02
  Phil: Oh, I see. I have not.
• 1:01:03
  Tyler Johnson: I have not. I know nothing about it.
• 1:01:05
  Phil: Nothing. It's a fantasy story about an immortal woman who…
• 1:01:12
  Phil: appears to be, an unmaker or a god of death of some sort wandering the land. It's really cool. A lot of, like, crazy creature drawings, and it's mostly silent. It's pretty… it's pretty, sparse on… on the dialogue, but, honestly, it's incredibly captivating drawings.
• 1:01:31
  Phil: Yeah, incredible use of color.
• 1:01:34
  Phil: yeah, just… just… it is exactly my cup of tea, the kind of thing where I'm like, holy shit, I would read, you know… I love that it's… it's a, like, a…
• 1:01:43
  Phil: 300 or so page book, and it says Volume 1, so I'm hoping that she's continuing it, and I could read, you know, 10,000 pages of this. That's how good it is.
• 1:01:55
  Phil: That's awesome. But yeah, but no, the, I'll have you know, in our MAGA race.
• 1:02:02
  Phil: that, I also plowed through the entirety of Goodnight Pun Pun Volume 3, you know, the night… the night that I picked it up from the library, so I'm now through 67 chapters of that.
• 1:02:16
  Tad Eggleston: I did read.
• 1:02:18
  Tad Eggleston: Three chapters.
• 1:02:19
  Phil: Okay. Oh, I see that now. I see that now.
• 1:02:22
  Tad Eggleston: of,
• 1:02:23
  Phil: Okay.
• 1:02:24
  Tyler Johnson: One beast.
• 1:02:24
  Tad Eggleston: Of one piece this week. Yep. We still are in the arena with Luffy in disguise as Lucy. It's like a fight to the death, gladiatorial… or fight till there's only one left, gladiatorial type thing. And we discovered that…
• 1:02:43
  Tyler Johnson: This is…
• 1:02:45
  Tad Eggleston: That, like, this… this… this island that we're on that's inhabited by
• 1:02:50
  Tad Eggleston: by humans and toys, may have, some darker secrets.
• 1:02:58
  Tad Eggleston: So I'm digging it.
• 1:02:59
  Tyler Johnson: I…
• 1:03:00
  Tyler Johnson: I love it that we're still counting the weeks. This is week 118 of the One Piece race, which I have not been a part of in 6-7 months, so I don't know if it's even a race anymore, but I love it that we're keeping track of the weeks. Guys, this is over 2 years of…
• 1:03:18
  Phil: I think it's been at least a year since you've put up numbers in the One Piece race, so…
• 1:03:23
  Tyler Johnson: Probably, probably, probably, at least.
• 1:03:27
  Tyler Johnson: At least. Okay, but anyway, I love it that we're still keeping track.
• 1:03:31
  Phil: It's a marathon. It's a marathon race. You can't.
• 1:03:33
  Tad Eggleston: We even went back and fixed the numbers at one point.
• 1:03:36
  Tyler Johnson: Wouldn't it be funny, you guys, if I won? Like, somehow…
• 1:03:39
  Tad Eggleston: would be.
• 1:03:40
  Tyler Johnson: just…
• 1:03:40
  Tad Eggleston: I'm sure.
• 1:03:41
  Tad Eggleston: Just somehow. Talk about your darn.
• 1:03:43
  Phil: Of course, he ended it. Yeah.
• 1:03:45
  Tyler Johnson: What?
• 1:03:45
  Phil: Yeah.
• 1:03:46
  Tyler Johnson: I'm ahead of Phil, I know.
• 1:03:47
  Tad Eggleston: Bill.
• 1:03:47
  Phil: I know. I'm imagining that.
• 1:03:52
  Phil: by… because, you know, the only time I read One Piece was in, like, 8th grade. I think it was, like, the first two volumes or so. So it'd be funny to put up numbers for, like, alright, you know, Tad read all of One Piece, Tyler read this much One Piece, Phil read this much One Piece, and then this much manga in the meantime, you know?
• 1:04:08
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, we'll have a chart. I'll make a chart to put up there.
• 1:04:12
  Tad Eggleston: Which is, like, 80% of the manga you've read.
• 1:04:14
  Tad Eggleston: I've also read.
• 1:04:16
  Phil: I'm sure.
• 1:04:16
  Tyler Johnson: I.
• 1:04:17
  Phil: I don't know about 80 percent. I mean if my joke was like lifetime numbers because one piece was like one of the first.
• 1:04:23
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, I just, I just mean the stuff that you've put up.
• 1:04:26
  Phil: Yeah, the stuff I put up.
• 1:04:27
  Tad Eggleston: The stuff that you've read since joining the race.
• 1:04:32
  Phil: You read Tower Dungeons?
• 1:04:35
  Tad Eggleston: Tower Dungeon I haven't read.
• 1:04:36
  Phil: It's good. It's really good.
• 1:04:37
  Tad Eggleston: And the smoking one I haven't read, and I think I've read everything else.
• 1:04:41
  Phil: Okay, that's powerful. I mean, I know you've.
• 1:04:43
  Tad Eggleston: And I've read a number of things that you haven't read, because I've read almost everything by Ennio Asano. I've read…
• 1:04:51
  Tad Eggleston: Probably half of Urasawa.
• 1:04:54
  Tad Eggleston: I'm Bread.
• 1:04:55
  Tyler Johnson: Roselle is so good.
• 1:04:57
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. I've read a lot of Ramiko Takahashi.
• 1:05:02
  Phil: I don't think I've read any for Miko Takahashi. I'm familiar with the name, but I don't think I've read anything by her.
• 1:05:07
  Tad Eggleston: lot.
• 1:05:08
  Tyler Johnson: Tezuka.
• 1:05:08
  Tad Eggleston: huh?
• 1:05:09
  Tyler Johnson: you Alright, well, I'm gonna keep this going, because I actually have to use the mouse.
• 1:05:13
  Tad Eggleston: The years of Thanagar.
• 1:05:15
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah.
• 1:05:15
  Tad Eggleston: So we keep talking about the 50 items from Fantagraphics that represents their 50th anniversary.
• 1:05:22
  Tad Eggleston: You know, as well as bringing us wonderful things like Love and Rockets, and… and… 8 ball… hate…
• 1:05:32
  Tad Eggleston: Fantagraphics has put out a lot of great graphic novels, and we each
• 1:05:36
  Tad Eggleston: picked one for this week. Tyler, since I know you need to run away to the bathroom, why don't you start, and then you can go do your thing. Unless you need to sit. I mean, if you need to sit.
• 1:05:47
  Tyler Johnson: It is.
• 1:05:48
  Tad Eggleston: a while.
• 1:05:49
  Tyler Johnson: Yes, it is the second.
• 1:05:50
  Phil: What… what happened to that time Tyler used the bathroom on the podcast? I swear it was one time.
• 1:05:56
  Tad Eggleston: I mean…
• 1:05:57
  Tyler Johnson: Gotcha.
• 1:05:57
  Tad Eggleston: It is possible. Do you have a laptop? You can just go sit.
• 1:06:01
  Phil: It's true.
• 1:06:03
  Tyler Johnson: I can, and I can…
• 1:06:05
  Phil: Just some aggressive muting.
• 1:06:07
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah, aggressive muting. No, okay, bottomless belly button is what I read, guys.
• 1:06:14
  Tad Eggleston: Dash Shaw.
• 1:06:15
  Tyler Johnson: Yeah.
• 1:06:16
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, sure. And this was my…
• 1:06:18
  Tyler Johnson: is.
• 1:06:18
  Tad Eggleston: Dr.
• 1:06:19
  Tyler Johnson: Holy buckets, you guys. 720 page graphic novel. Wow. That's a lot of belly buckets.
• 1:06:25
  Tad Eggleston: I forgot that it was that long.
• 1:06:27
  Phil: might.
• 1:06:28
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 1:06:28
  Phil: button.
• 1:06:29
  Tyler Johnson: I am not done with it, I'm not gonna… Okay. So, this is from 2008, Phantographics 2008, right? Earned, like, tons of honors and stuff like that, and it's got the prestigious, the Aguilem International Comics Festival, stuff like that. The plot was, like, this crazy…
• 1:06:48
  Tyler Johnson: dysfunctional loony family. That's literally what they're called, right? And the patriarch and the matriarch of the family announced they're getting divorced after, like, 40 years. And they're just so nonchalant about it, they're like, we're just not in love anymore. And then it's kind of, you know, the rest of the family members working through their
• 1:07:07
  Tyler Johnson: frustrations in their own marital issues, and it's… it's crazy. It's really fun. The artwork is simplistic, yet depressing. I don't know if that would make sense, but it's just… it's just the blue coloring of it all, really lends itself to just being sad.
• 1:07:25
  Tyler Johnson: you know, what do you… what'd you think of it, Tad? Did…
• 1:07:31
  Tad Eggleston: Oh.
• 1:07:32
  Tyler Johnson: I'm not even done with it.
• 1:07:33
  Tad Eggleston: I haven't… I haven't read it in years, which is one of the reasons I forgot that it was that long, but it's just quirky and weird, and like…
• 1:07:43
  Tad Eggleston: As long as it is, I remember that I actually wound up reading it in one sitting.
• 1:07:52
  Tyler Johnson: You did? It wouldn't be hard.
• 1:07:54
  Tad Eggleston: I couldn't put it down.
• 1:07:56
  Tyler Johnson: Bottom of the belly button. Right. You guys, because it's… I mean, the text is sparse, it's not… it's not overly dense.
• 1:08:02
  Tad Eggleston: Very visual.
• 1:08:03
  Tyler Johnson: through that. Yeah, you know, I can see that.
• 1:08:06
  Tyler Johnson: Time… I've… listen, it… on my app here, Panels is what I use for reading this. My time reading book has now been 2 hours and, 25 seconds.
• 1:08:18
  Phil: Okay.
• 1:08:19
  Tyler Johnson: So… and I've barely made a dent into this thing, so…
• 1:08:23
  Phil: Damn.
• 1:08:24
  Tyler Johnson: Anyway, but it's really good.
• 1:08:26
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, Dash Shaw is a special cartoonist.
• 1:08:30
  Tyler Johnson: difficult.
• 1:08:30
  Tad Eggleston: glad that you're being introduced to him, because I think… I think there's a lot of Dash Shaw stuff that you'd like.
• 1:08:37
  Tyler Johnson: The most interesting character, though, like the youngest brother, he kind of is he wearing a costume or does he just look like a frog? I don't know. I don't know.
• 1:08:45
  Tad Eggleston: I don't…
• 1:08:45
  Tyler Johnson: But he's the youngest son. He's very insecure.
• 1:08:49
  Tad Eggleston: You're crackly, Tyler.
• 1:08:51
  Tyler Johnson: I am? Oh.
• 1:08:53
  Tyler Johnson: Okay, how's that?
• 1:08:54
  Tyler Johnson: Better?
• 1:08:56
  Tad Eggleston: Ezekiel.
• 1:08:57
  Phil: Jackal?
• 1:08:58
  Tad Eggleston: You're not hearing any crack.
• 1:08:58
  Phil: I.
• 1:08:59
  Tad Eggleston: Probably my headphones.
• 1:09:00
  Phil: Okay.
• 1:09:01
  Tyler Johnson: Hear me now.
• 1:09:01
  Tad Eggleston: those.
• 1:09:02
  Phil: I can hear you.
• 1:09:03
  Tad Eggleston: No, I'm still hearing it. It's probably the headphones. Give me a sec.
• 1:09:05
  Tyler Johnson: Okay.
• 1:09:07
  Tad Eggleston: We'll skip over me and go to Phil.
• 1:09:09
  Phil: Okay, Yes.
• 1:09:12
  Tyler Johnson: go-ahead.
• 1:09:12
  Phil: Are you done? Okay, alright, yeah.
• 1:09:13
  Tyler Johnson: Oh, I was just talking about Peter, because he was, like, a filmmaker, and he's really insecure, and so that just kind of lends itself, like, kind of the… another overarching theme, at least in the parts that I've read so far, is Peter's.
• 1:09:28
  Tyler Johnson: I don't know.
• 1:09:29
  Tyler Johnson: Failure isn't the right word. He's just not a great filmmaker, you know.
• 1:09:33
  Phil: Okay.
• 1:09:34
  Tyler Johnson: But anyway, go on, Phil. You're up.
• 1:09:37
  Phil: Right. Yeah, I read, Raised by Ghosts, by Brianna Lowenson. Yep.
• 1:09:45
  Phil: which was… I very much enjoyed. It was really good. It was interesting because, like, the first hundred pages or so was, again, very quiet, just four-panel, comics. Oddly enough, most… there's a good amount of the dialogue that was, like.
• 1:10:03
  Phil: just blurred out words, but only one or two popped, like, you know, the… Brianna, the main character, was, like, only barely listening to what was going on, so.
• 1:10:13
  Phil: But it was still… and then there would occasionally be, like, torn scrap pages of, diary entries and notes and whatnot. So, it was really interesting seeing… seeing that for, like, you know, again, about 100 pages. And then she literally dives into the notebook page.
• 1:10:29
  Phil: And, has this, like, extended sequence of… I took it as a metaphor for, like, her…
• 1:10:36
  Phil: dealing with depression and isolation, through her art, you know? And then after that, there was more… the page… the page shape, like, completely changed, whereas before it was, like, boxed in, and there were more text overlaid with images. It felt like it became, like, a full comic for the last, the last…
• 1:10:54
  Phil: the third act, you know, the end of it, but yeah, I very much enjoyed it for.
• 1:10:59
  Phil: you know, a young person growing up in the 90s, which I was aware of, you know, I was there for, just, you know, 10 years younger. And yeah, and it actually… it was funny, I thought, I was like, wow, when did this come out? This is, this is, you know, really nice. It came out last year. So, you know, it's funny.
• 1:11:17
  Tad Eggleston: That one's really recent.
• 1:11:19
  Phil: Yeah, super recent. But I was gonna say, part of why I said that I read, you know, more this week than usual is because I just did a quick page tally, because I also read the first third of, Stone Fruit by Lee Lai. I just got tired, and so I was like, okay, I got one under my belt.
• 1:11:35
  Phil: You know, but I read, like, 900 pages of comics from Friday night to…
• 1:11:39
  Phil: through… through yesterday, so that's why I said that's more than…
• 1:11:42
  Tad Eggleston: Okay, so so so.
• 1:11:43
  Phil: Volume, page count-wise.
• 1:11:45
  Tad Eggleston: You hit, like, my average week. Yeah. Gotcha. Yeah. Gotcha.
• 1:11:50
  Phil: Yeah, Tad, again, we've talked about how, how, like.
• 1:11:53
  Phil: exceptionally prolific you are. You're probably within the top 100.
• 1:12:00
  Tad Eggleston: slightly.
• 1:12:00
  Phil: read comic people in the world.
• 1:12:02
  Tad Eggleston: You could try.
• 1:12:03
  Tyler Johnson: Wow.
• 1:12:05
  Phil: Good, you're right!
• 1:12:06
  Tyler Johnson: What?
• 1:12:06
  Phil: Absolutely right.
• 1:12:07
  Tyler Johnson: the.
• 1:12:07
  Phil: Absolutely right.
• 1:12:08
  Tyler Johnson: That was so funny.
• 1:12:10
  Phil: That was only like 2 days. It was only like 2 days worth of reading, but still yes.
• 1:12:15
  Tyler Johnson: Yes.
• 1:12:15
  Phil: Yes.
• 1:12:16
  Tyler Johnson: Aspirational, you know.
• 1:12:19
  Phil: Big shoes to live up to.
• 1:12:20
  Tyler Johnson: This.
• 1:12:21
  Phil: I'd also say that Tyler, you could tell your wife that we did church on the podcast this week since we talked about religion.
• 1:12:26
  Tad Eggleston: We did. We did do some church on the podcast.
• 1:12:28
  Phil: So.
• 1:12:28
  Tyler Johnson: George on the podcast.
• 1:12:30
  Phil: You've already been to church and back, you know. Talk to her about Adam Hamilton.
• 1:12:34
  Tad Eggleston: she comes back.
• 1:12:35
  Tyler Johnson: Oh, that's funny.
• 1:12:38
  Phil: Tad, what'd you reread this week?
• 1:12:40
  Tad Eggleston: It wasn't a reread. This was the first time that I read any of Jim Woodring's Frank.
• 1:12:46
  Phil: I almost picked that book, too.
• 1:12:47
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I read the Frank book.
• 1:12:50
  Tad Eggleston: I didn't actually finish the Frank book, it's longish, and I read a lot of weekly comics this week, and…
• 1:12:58
  Phil: But isn't it silent?
• 1:12:59
  Tad Eggleston: comics just for myself. It is silent, but it's…
• 1:13:01
  Phil: Yes.
• 1:13:02
  Tad Eggleston: it's… It's silent that you don't want to, like, just flash through.
• 1:13:08
  Phil: That's fair. I have seen bits of Woodring's psychedelic.
• 1:13:12
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 1:13:12
  Phil: stuff.
• 1:13:13
  Tad Eggleston: It's… it's… it's like… it's like…
• 1:13:18
  Tad Eggleston: You can see the crazy cat influence. You can see
• 1:13:22
  Tad Eggleston: The psychedelic feeling, you know, the underground influence, the hatching is beautiful.
• 1:13:30
  Tad Eggleston: It's silly and whimsical, and you can still kind of see… Like… Meaning… hidden underneath various things.
• 1:13:43
  Tad Eggleston: You know, certainly elements of, like, be careful what you wish for, and… and… And whatnot, and, like…
• 1:13:53
  Tad Eggleston: It's just a really… fantastic world that I definitely want to spend more time in, but don't…
• 1:14:01
  Tad Eggleston: Entirely know how to describe. Except that it, like, it made me laugh.
• 1:14:07
  Tad Eggleston: You know, I didn't fully realize that Frank was just gonna be this dog character.
• 1:14:13
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. I mean, I honestly… To be honest, I knew a ton of people loved Jim Woodring.
• 1:14:21
  Tad Eggleston: I knew Frank was his big book.
• 1:14:24
  Tad Eggleston: And the second issue of Roy came out recently, and I remember Natalia Hernandez both loved his work, and
• 1:14:33
  Tad Eggleston: had known and loved him as a person before that, because, you know, her dad's Beto Hernandez, so… so it's like, she was reading and loved it, and it's like, oh yeah, that's your Uncle Jim, and it's like, really? That's funny.
• 1:14:50
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I don't know if it was Uncle Jim, but that's Jim.
• 1:14:54
  Phil: Admittedly.
• 1:14:55
  Phil: what I… because I'd been… I've been, like, weirdly aware of Jim Woodring since college, like, a good 15 years now, because he built a giant pen. He built, like, a… it was, like, a pen nib that was, like, several feet long.
• 1:15:12
  Tad Eggleston: wow.
• 1:15:13
  Phil: Yeah, it was… you should look it up, it's… he… it was, like, a comically large pen that he actually used to draw some comics. I don't know if he did a whole book that way, but it was funny, eventually he was like, yeah, it's a little bit too big to use comfortably, and it's like, you don't say a good, like.
• 1:15:29
  Phil: You know, 5 or 6 foot…
• 1:15:31
  Tad Eggleston: Wired had an article.
• 1:15:33
  Phil: Yeah. Jim Woodring, Shane Penn.
• 1:15:35
  Tad Eggleston: Ring wields 7-foot pen, strikes Artie Blow.
• 1:15:41
  Phil: So… so that's… ever since I heard about it, I'm like, I should, you know… and then finding out that he does weird, trippy, psychedelic…
• 1:15:48
  Phil: silent stories. I'm like, I should read some of these at some point. Right. I have… but still haven't yet.
• 1:15:52
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and they're cool, and again, like.
• 1:15:56
  Tad Eggleston: Here, I'm just gonna… I'm just gonna share the… the… the two pages that are in the Wired article that I just pulled up, in case Tyler doesn't know him as well.
• 1:16:08
  Tyler Johnson: Actually, guys, I really have to go to the bathroom, so I'm gonna go do that.
• 1:16:11
  Phil: wishing.
• 1:16:12
  Tad Eggleston: Well, let's, let's, let's…
• 1:16:14
  Phil: Let him go and we can come back and take us out, you know.
• 1:16:18
  Tad Eggleston: Right. Go.
• 1:16:19
  Tyler Johnson: it.
• 1:16:20
  Tad Eggleston: Go, go, go.
• 1:16:21
  Tyler Johnson: Just go, okay.
• 1:16:22
  Phil: an accident on the podcast. Not again.
• 1:16:25
  Tyler Johnson: Hmm.
• 1:16:25
  Tad Eggleston: Or we could wrap, because I don't have anything more to say about wood rings, so we can get into Spectacular really fast if…
• 1:16:34
  Tad Eggleston: If you would rather not.
• 1:16:35
  Phil: Tyler's face is like.
• 1:16:37
  Tad Eggleston: No, I'm asking Tyler, do you want to run to the bathroom, or do you want to wrap and run to the bathroom?
• 1:16:42
  Tyler Johnson: We can… yeah, let's go through our books further, we hope we'll be successful.
• 1:16:45
  Tad Eggleston: Alright, alright. Books I hope will be spectacular. Beneath the Trees Where Nobody Sees, Halloween Special from Patrick Horvath, James Tynion, Tony Fleeks, and Jay Grayson, and Dave Wachter, Jared Cullum, and Tyler Boss, and Matt Emmons, all at IDW. The conclusion of Of the Earth.
• 1:17:05
  Tad Eggleston: From Chris Condon, Charlie Adlard, and Andrew Eric, and the introduction to Dinner Date from Joanne Starer and.
• 1:17:11
  Phil: That looks good.
• 1:17:12
  Tad Eggleston: Randolph.
• 1:17:13
  Tad Eggleston: Books I know are spectacular. Flux House presents number one for Matt Kent, Brian Hurt, David Lapham, and Ella Kent at ONI.
• 1:17:21
  Tad Eggleston: This is essentially a… a flux house, anthology book. It teases some upcoming series, has a couple of stories that are just for the anthology.
• 1:17:34
  Tad Eggleston: That sort of thing, very cool. And Starhenge Book 2, A Kiss for Atticus No. 4, the conclusion of this story from Liam Sharp, is amazing. If you were waiting on
• 1:17:45
  Tad Eggleston: Dead Teenagers, If Destruction VR Lot, Is Ted Okay, Narco, or Santos Sisters? They all have collections coming out this week.
• 1:17:54
  Tad Eggleston: And Requiem from Gaza from Chris Hedges and Joe Sacco is definitely one that I'm looking forward to. this week in the graphic novel category. Lots of honorable mentions, but we won't put Tyler through that.
• 1:18:09
  Tyler Johnson: which.
• 1:18:09
  Tad Eggleston: All new, giant-sized trade waiter graphic novel pick!
• 1:18:14
  Phil: Considering the theme of this week's Great Responsibility, I had to go with Forming from Jesse Moynihan at Fantagraphics. Looks weird, looks trippy.
• 1:18:23
  Tad Eggleston: Fantastic.
• 1:18:24
  Phil: Yeah, I…
• 1:18:24
  Tyler Johnson: I'm gonna check it out. It looks really good.
• 1:18:26
  Phil: Seriously.
• 1:18:27
  Tad Eggleston: This is a good Fantagraphics week. You've got Forming, you've got, the aforementioned Requiem at Gaza, and you have the Collected Palomar Heartbreak Soup Stories from Gilbert Hernandez.
• 1:18:40
  Tyler Johnson: Yep. And then, like you said, that Roy number two is out, too. That came out.
• 1:18:47
  Tad Eggleston: A couple weeks ago, yeah.
• 1:18:48
  Tad Eggleston: So good.
• 1:18:49
  Tyler Johnson: I think I got it last week. It was a couple weeks? Okay.
• 1:18:53
  Tad Eggleston: Well.
• 1:18:53
  Tyler Johnson: It doesn't matter.
• 1:18:54
  Tad Eggleston: It wasn't this past Wednesday. It was the Wednesday before that. It was two Wednesdays ago.
• 1:18:59
  Tyler Johnson: Two Wednesdays. Yep. Okay. All right, guys. Thanks for listening, and we will catch you guys after the next page. Later.
• 1:19:08
  Tad Eggleston: Op.
• 1:19:09
  Tad Eggleston: Is he going to make it? Oh, God.
• 1:19:12
  Phil: God.