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Katie Woolf spoke with Member for Araluen Robyn Lambley · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: Three point sixty with Katie Wolf. Everyone is listening to
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  Speaker 1: Mix one O four point nine one hundred.
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  Speaker 2: We're certainly reading on the social media this morning that
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  Speaker 2: that well Parjama in Alice Springs, it's looking as though
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  Speaker 2: they are the organizers have scrapped all live performance events
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  Speaker 2: in Alice Springs Todd Mall at this year's event because
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  Speaker 2: of safety concerns. Now joining me on the line to
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  Speaker 2: talk about this and the other issues that they've got
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  Speaker 2: in Alice at the moment, the member for our Lun,
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  Speaker 2: the independent member for Our Lun, Robin Lambley, Good morning, Robin.
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  Speaker 1: Good morning Katie Robin.
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  Speaker 2: Have you heard much about much detail about the Pachuma
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  Speaker 2: live events being canceled?
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  Speaker 3: No, just pretty much what you said then. But this
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  Speaker 3: happened last year when they ran it late in the year.
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  Speaker 3: The a lot of the events and activities that were
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  Speaker 3: planned for the Todd Moore were canceled because of any
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  Speaker 3: social behalf. So I don't think this is going to
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  Speaker 3: come as a huge surprise. But howpathetic is it really
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  Speaker 3: that we can't even use our beautiful Todd More for
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  Speaker 3: this sort of purpose.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it goes to the rush, it goes to the
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  Speaker 2: heart of the issues that you're having in Central Australia
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  Speaker 2: at the moment. You know, it's a pretty dire situation
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  Speaker 2: when you're having to cancel live events and we are
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  Speaker 2: hoping to get some further detail from NT major events,
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  Speaker 2: so we'll move further into some of the other issues
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  Speaker 2: that you've been experiencing in Alice Robin.
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  Speaker 1: How were things over the weekend?
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  Speaker 3: Look, I met with the Assistant Commissioner first thing yesterday
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  Speaker 3: morning and she said it was a reasonably quiet weekend
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  Speaker 3: compared to others, and it probably felt like that to
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  Speaker 3: some extent. But there's still a lot going on, and
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  Speaker 3: you know, I suspect that a lot of people aren't
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  Speaker 3: reporting things to the police, and you know, like called
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  Speaker 3: public servants, the police in the upper echelons are kind
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  Speaker 3: of paid to minimize things to some extent. I know
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  Speaker 3: that there are good stories to be told, but people
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  Speaker 3: down here are still feeling embattled. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 3: this morning I came to work to a smash window. Well,
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  Speaker 3: you know things. Unfortunately, that's pretty small fry and that's
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  Speaker 3: where we've gotten. I think it's probably the same in
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  Speaker 3: lots of other parts of the territory. Now you know,
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  Speaker 3: you just you know, coming to work to a smash
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  Speaker 3: window really isn't a big deal. And that's pathetic too, really, Katie.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, that's exactly right.
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  Speaker 2: You know, to sort of turn a blind eye to
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  Speaker 2: a broken window when you consider the cost, in the
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  Speaker 2: inconvenience and the absolute waste that it is, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's a pretty ordinary situation to be in. Robin, did
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  Speaker 2: you meet with Chancey Paike, yourself and the COLP opposition
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  Speaker 2: and how did that meeting goe?
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  Speaker 3: So, a few weeks ago, Josh Berkele and the Member
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  Speaker 3: for Braitling Billy and the Member for Amajeira and myself
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  Speaker 3: decided to join forces a unite on the topic of crime,
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  Speaker 3: and we had a meeting with Chancey Paik, who's the
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  Speaker 3: Minister to Central Australia on Friday. And look, it was
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  Speaker 3: I've been all weekend trying to work out in my
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  Speaker 3: mind how to couch it, because you know, you run
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  Speaker 3: the risk of sounding overly positive or overly negative when
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  Speaker 3: it comes to these sorts of things. And I certainly
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  Speaker 3: could have sat in either of those camps. But look,
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  Speaker 3: it was a good discussion and out of it where
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  Speaker 3: a chance he's opening the doors for us to meet
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  Speaker 3: with other ministers and other stakeholders that we might not
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  Speaker 3: normally get to speak to in such a short time frame,
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  Speaker 3: So that's good. It's very difficult to land on things
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  Speaker 3: that we all agree on, yeah, which probably isn't surprising,
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  Speaker 3: but we all do agree that the town is really
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  Speaker 3: suffering at the moment. So there's good intention, but what
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  Speaker 3: actually comes out of it remains to be seen.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Robin, I hate.
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  Speaker 3: The people of I think the people of Alice Springs
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  Speaker 3: expect us all to get together and work it out.
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  Speaker 3: So that's what we're doing. Yeah, And I think that's
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  Speaker 3: a really positive step forward.
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  Speaker 2: I one hundred percent agree, rob And I did speak
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  Speaker 2: to the Chief Minister yesterday and asked him why he
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  Speaker 2: hadn't met with the people of Alice Springs.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to what he said.
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  Speaker 2: For the people of Alice Springs, though they feel as
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  Speaker 2: though they're in crisis, don't you think that you should
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  Speaker 2: sit down with those community members and actually hear what
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  Speaker 2: they've got to say.
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  Speaker 1: And I do that all the time, and I'm happy
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  Speaker 1: to do that next time in Alice as well.
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  Speaker 3: So that's a regular thing I do in Alice usually
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  Speaker 3: go out to patrol with the police or territory family
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  Speaker 3: workers at different times of night and see what's going on.
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  Speaker 2: Robin, do you feel as though the chief Minister is
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  Speaker 2: hearing what community in Alice Springs are saying.
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  Speaker 3: No, not at all, And he just described quite well
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  Speaker 3: what he does. I mean, he wasn't dishonest. He hangs
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  Speaker 3: out with public servants, of which he is pretty much
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  Speaker 3: their boss, and they tell him probably what he wants
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  Speaker 3: to hear. I mean, the classic thing. Every time he
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  Speaker 3: comes to town, there's this perception that the town is
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  Speaker 3: cleaned up to some extent, everything's made to look as
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  Speaker 3: glowingly good as possible. Who he doesn't speak to is
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  Speaker 3: the average person who disagrees with him. And that's where
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  Speaker 3: he needs to come to the party and have some
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  Speaker 3: frank conversations with people who aren't on his payroll, who
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  Speaker 3: don't have to curtail and blow in up his whatever,
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  Speaker 3: and here's some honest truths about how difficult it is
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  Speaker 3: in town and what needs to be done. And this
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  Speaker 3: is the problem with this government. They don't really want
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  Speaker 3: to listen to any other narrative or solution apart from
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  Speaker 3: what they've landed on.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I've got to say, Robin, I reckon.
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  Speaker 2: The thing that's putting him in between a bit of
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  Speaker 2: a rock and a hard place at the moment is
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  Speaker 2: the fact that there's the Queensland Labor government right now
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  Speaker 2: having to make some really serious changes when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to the way that they deal with youth offenders. Today
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  Speaker 2: in Queensland, they're going to be announcing that they'll be
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  Speaker 2: strapping GPS trackers to those young offenders, and also bail
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  Speaker 2: laws are going to be tightened by the Queensland government
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  Speaker 2: in a crackdown on recidivus teenage criminals. The Queensland Premier
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  Speaker 2: Anastasia Palichet today is expected to announce the new youth
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  Speaker 2: justice reforms will target the toughest ten percent of repeat
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  Speaker 2: juvenile law breakers after that horror spate of deaths linked
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  Speaker 2: to young alleged car thieves. In addition to that, they've
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  Speaker 2: got the head of the state's anti terror unit being
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  Speaker 2: chosen as the solution to Townsville's youth crime crisis. She's
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  Speaker 2: going to be heading up that brand new task force. Robin,
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  Speaker 2: is this exactly what should be happening in the territory.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I don't know if it's exactly what we should
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  Speaker 3: be doing. But I've been watching this very closely, and
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  Speaker 3: you know a lot of people come over from Townsville
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  Speaker 3: and say Townsvill's worse than Alice Springs. Can you believe
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  Speaker 3: that this has sort of been on my radar for
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  Speaker 3: some time? But look the fact that they're take they're
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  Speaker 3: willing to look outside the circle to consider things that
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  Speaker 3: they said no to two years ago. This GBS tracker
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  Speaker 3: idea came up two years ago apparently, and now they're
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  Speaker 3: putting it back on the table and reconsidering it. I
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  Speaker 3: think that the Gunner government needs to take a page
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  Speaker 3: out of Palichet's book and look at how she's reconsidering
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  Speaker 3: options that they vetoed some time ago, because I think
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  Speaker 3: Gunner has put himself into a corner on this. He's
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  Speaker 3: saying that he's not going to revisit the bar legislation,
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  Speaker 3: He's not going to do this, that and the other. Well,
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  Speaker 3: you know, in times of crisis, sometimes you've got to
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  Speaker 3: say we'll hold on a minute, maybe we would go back,
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  Speaker 3: you know, suck it up a bit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you.
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  Speaker 2: I think that, you know, we've reached a point where
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  Speaker 2: everything should be on the table. And look, yesterday in
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  Speaker 2: my discussion with him, I will say that there did
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  Speaker 2: seem to be a bit of a change of approach.
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  Speaker 2: He sounded as though he was certainly more open to
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  Speaker 2: some change. But Robin, how are you going to play
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  Speaker 2: it next week? We know that obviously Parliament is sitting.
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  Speaker 2: Is there going to be something that you'll be introducing?
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  Speaker 2: Are you sort of going to you know, to try
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  Speaker 2: and focus on this more in parliament to ensure that
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  Speaker 2: really the voices of those that live in Oura Springs
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  Speaker 2: are really heard.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'll do my best, But one thing that's come
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  Speaker 3: about in this term of Parliament is that I've been
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  Speaker 3: advised that I only get to ask one question per
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  Speaker 3: parliamentary sitting week. Now, democracy for me is diminishing. They
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  Speaker 3: really have made a concerted effort to try to clip
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  Speaker 3: my wings. But I do have a motion on Wednesday afternoon,
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  Speaker 3: a general business motion which is about youth crime. So
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  Speaker 3: that will be my opportunity on Wednesday next Wednesday afternoon
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  Speaker 3: to talk a lot about this issue that we're experiencing
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  Speaker 3: in Alice Springs, and it will be an opportunity for
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  Speaker 3: other non government members to participate. In that debate and discussion.
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  Speaker 3: They really don't want us to participate in Parliament in
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  Speaker 3: a meaningful way at all anymore. They really tighten things
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  Speaker 3: up with the abolishment of the Scrutiny Committee and other
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  Speaker 3: mechanisms and me given one lazy question a week. You know, hello,
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  Speaker 3: that's not right, well, Robin, we would not democratic.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Robin, we would never do that to you here
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  Speaker 2: on Mix one O four nine. If you are, if
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  Speaker 2: you're in town next Friday, let us know we'd love
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  Speaker 2: to have you back.
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  Speaker 1: On the week that was. Whenever you're here, book me
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  Speaker 1: in going on you Robin, thank you. We'll leave it
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  Speaker 1: there for today.
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  Speaker 2: That is Robin Lamley, of course, the Member for Ara
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  Speaker 2: Leuwin and hearing more about the issues that they've got
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  Speaker 2: in Alice at the moment when it comes to crime,