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From Nickelodeon to Faith-Driven Animation: Butch Hartman Explains the Urgency · Crosswalk Talk: Celebrity Christian Interviews

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  Speaker 1: Life Audio.
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  Speaker 2: Hey Boch, thanks for joining me absolutely, Michael, thanks for
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  Speaker 2: having me on to that.
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Animator Butch Hartman as our guest today.
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  Speaker 3: He's known for such a Nickelodeon classics such as The
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  Speaker 3: Fairly Odd Parents and Danny Phantom, and for a faith
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  Speaker 3: based series, The Garden Cartoon. That's kind of how I
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  Speaker 3: got to know you.
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  Speaker 1: Really good.
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  Speaker 3: Butch, of course, but also is a Christian, which is
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  Speaker 3: why we have him on. He has a new studio,
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  Speaker 3: Butch Hartman Studios, with exciting goals and an exciting future.
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  Speaker 3: But I want to kind of catch people up for
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  Speaker 3: who you are. For those who are just learning about you,
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  Speaker 3: tell us about your background, tell us what got you
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  Speaker 3: started in the animation world in the first place, and
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  Speaker 3: what led you into this values driven space.
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  Speaker 1: Well, thanks Michael so much. I'm so glad to be here.
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  Speaker 2: And I was born on the planet Krypton and I
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  Speaker 2: was rocketed here as a youth in a rocket ship
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  Speaker 2: where I gained powers under the yellow sun of Earth. Now, okay,
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  Speaker 2: now I'm actually from Michigan, was kind of like the
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  Speaker 2: planet Krypton, but grew up in Michigan and in nineteen
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  Speaker 2: eighty three, I came out to California to go to
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  Speaker 2: cal Arts, which is an animation school.
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  Speaker 1: It's actually an art school founded by Walt Disney.
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  Speaker 2: But I discovered this magical place called California with this
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  Speaker 2: amazing art school, and I decided to go there. Didn't
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  Speaker 2: know the first thing about Disney Studios as far as
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  Speaker 2: getting in.
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  Speaker 1: How am I going to do this?
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  Speaker 2: But it was really the only school, and then the
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  Speaker 2: country that taught animation at the time went there, ended
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  Speaker 2: up learning more from the other my fellow students. I
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  Speaker 2: died from the teachers, great teachers, but we all just
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  Speaker 2: hung out and immersed ourselves in animation and nerdiness and
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  Speaker 2: all that stuff. And slowly but surely I would get
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  Speaker 2: one job after another in the industry from the eighties
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  Speaker 2: and nineties, and started creating shows for Nickelodeon in the
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  Speaker 2: late nineties early two thousands and Fairly Out in Parents
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  Speaker 2: was my first one, and then I created Danny Phantom,
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  Speaker 2: and then Tough Puppy, and then Bunsen is a Beast,
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  Speaker 2: and now we're doing a Christian show called The Garden Cartoon.
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  Speaker 3: That's a good summary there. Now you worked on more
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  Speaker 3: than one hundred and fifty episodes of The Fairly Outparents.
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  Speaker 3: For those who don't know what an animator does, I
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  Speaker 3: think it's probably most people. What specifically does an animator
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  Speaker 3: do for working on a specific episode? Are you working
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  Speaker 3: on one scene in the episode? Are working on the
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  Speaker 3: entire show? Are you writing the scripts? What did you
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  Speaker 3: do exactly on one of those episodes?
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  Speaker 1: Such a great question.
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  Speaker 2: I did a little bit of everything, and I still do.
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  Speaker 1: Just refer to simplify it.
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  Speaker 2: For everybody doing a cartoons like kind of like building
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  Speaker 2: a car, some people put the wheels on, some people
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  Speaker 2: put the engine in, some people put the doors on.
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  Speaker 2: A cartoons the same way. Some people will do the
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  Speaker 2: character design, like Batman back here in my room there,
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  Speaker 2: and somebody.
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  Speaker 1: Will design his costume.
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  Speaker 2: But then someone will design the car, and then somebody
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  Speaker 2: will paint the bat cave, which is basically the set.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we say people doing backgrounds, which are the sets,
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  Speaker 2: the characters, which are like casting a movie, and then
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  Speaker 2: voice actors come in and provide the voices, but they
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  Speaker 2: all have to have a script to go off of,
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  Speaker 2: so that script has to be written down. So I
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  Speaker 2: was part of the writing team, and I had a
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  Speaker 2: great staff for writers, great staff of artists to great
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  Speaker 2: staff of I had a wonderful musician, Guy Mood, who
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  Speaker 2: did my music for me. And that's every episode has
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  Speaker 2: to have all those pieces in it. So once you
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  Speaker 2: get one episode done, the conveyor belt keeps going, and
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  Speaker 2: you do another episode and another, and the show's a
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  Speaker 2: hit and runs for many years. You're doing it over
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  Speaker 2: and over and over again as the years go by.
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  Speaker 3: Now you are You and I are both old enough
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  Speaker 3: to have done hand drawn animation. I don't think meter
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  Speaker 3: animation existed. Computer animation did not exists in the eighties.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think so. Yeah, what type of animation are
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  Speaker 3: we talking about for your career?
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  Speaker 2: Most of my career was spent doing hand drawn stuff,
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  Speaker 2: like you said, on paper, pencil, markers, ink.
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  Speaker 1: And paint, that type of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And people would actually paint things with paint brushes and
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  Speaker 2: dead and brushes and ink and paint like that, and
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  Speaker 2: they still do. That has not gone away. But now
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  Speaker 2: when you have things like this like an iPad. You
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  Speaker 2: got my iPad here, If I want to do a
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  Speaker 2: digital drawing, I never run out of colors this ever,
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  Speaker 2: where I never have to go buy another marker set
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  Speaker 2: or inks or anything. It's all right here, but then
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  Speaker 2: you kind of lose that traditional quality of having an
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  Speaker 2: actual physical here's like a sketch pad I have here,
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  Speaker 2: actually use that physical one of a kind and feel
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  Speaker 2: with an actual piece of art that way.
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  Speaker 1: But they still need people like us to draw, you know.
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  Speaker 2: To design stuff originally, because they're not going to spend
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  Speaker 2: twenty billion dollars on a movie until you draw it
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  Speaker 2: up and sketch it on you know, your little notebook
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  Speaker 2: and see if characters, if they like the characters are
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  Speaker 2: like the story. So all computers have really done is
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  Speaker 2: become tools to make things get done faster.
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  Speaker 3: Looking back on your time in Nickelodeon, were there are
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  Speaker 3: moments when your faith felt in conflicts with demands of
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  Speaker 3: what you were doing?
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  Speaker 1: And how did you navigate those?
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for asking. I got saved in the year two
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  Speaker 2: thousand when I was thirty five years.
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  Speaker 1: Old, and I had lived most of.
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  Speaker 2: My life without believing who Jesus was or knowing who
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  Speaker 2: Jesus was. And then when I sold fairly on parents
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  Speaker 2: like right when I sold it to Nickelodeon, I became
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  Speaker 2: say I got saved and love the Lord start following
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  Speaker 2: the Lord, and so I was living in a secular world,
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  Speaker 2: working in a secular world, but having a navigated like
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  Speaker 2: a Christian the Bible tells us to be. Why is
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  Speaker 2: the serpents and harmless as doves? You know, I couldn't
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  Speaker 2: just start making shows about Christianity. No one's going to
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  Speaker 2: make a show like that in Hollywood. I made right
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  Speaker 2: off the bat, And so I would just try and
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  Speaker 2: put Christian values in my stuff, you know, happiness, joy, love, peace,
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  Speaker 2: that kind of thing. But behind the scenes, I was
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  Speaker 2: always like trying to encourage people, lift them up. I
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  Speaker 2: know I'm not perfect, I never was, but I tried to.
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  Speaker 2: My heart and my values were changing.
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  Speaker 1: The entire time I was making the show.
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  Speaker 2: Certain jokes I would make when I first got saved,
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't make later on as my walk with Jesus increased,
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  Speaker 2: you know, because when you're with the Lord, you're going
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  Speaker 2: to become more a reflection of him. You're going to
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  Speaker 2: be more like him, as a Christian means means christ like.
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  Speaker 2: So my words would change, my thoughts would change, jokes
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  Speaker 2: I would make. I didn't make anymore things I would say.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't say anymore things I would do. Hey, let's
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  Speaker 2: all go out after work. I wouldn't do things like
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  Speaker 2: that anymore.
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  Speaker 1: You know, stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: My life started changing, my heart started changing, and so
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  Speaker 2: my value started changing a lot. So it was really
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  Speaker 2: a lot of temptations in Hollywood, a lot of temptations
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  Speaker 2: in the world do matter where you go. But I
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  Speaker 2: really was great grateful that I had the Lord to
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  Speaker 2: lean on during that time.
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  Speaker 3: Tell me why you wanted to start and why you
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  Speaker 3: wanted to launch into values driven entertainment. What did you
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  Speaker 3: see as the need right now in society for that?
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  Speaker 2: I think we all know what the need is. I
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  Speaker 2: think it's a very different place. I mean not saying
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  Speaker 2: Hollywood's ever been a center of morality, and by the way,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not the most moral person ever.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I need a savior.
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  Speaker 2: But I will say this, there's a lot of kids
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  Speaker 2: that won't walk into a church ever, but they have
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  Speaker 2: an iPhone in their hand and something has to go
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  Speaker 2: in that screen. And it's my job as a creator
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  Speaker 2: and a filmmaker at a cartoonist as to what I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to put on that screen.
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  Speaker 1: So what do I put on that screen?
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  Speaker 2: Am I going to put in something that's detrimental to
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  Speaker 2: that child's wellbeing or am I going to put something
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  Speaker 2: else going to make them laugh and give them hope
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  Speaker 2: and give them joy. So now knowing, do they want
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  Speaker 2: to watch it again? But maybe when they're an adult
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  Speaker 2: and those traumatic moments said, maybe they can lean back
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  Speaker 2: on something they learned as a kid and it will
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  Speaker 2: help them. And that's what I want to do because
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  Speaker 2: I learned a lot from you know, listen, television shaped
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  Speaker 2: me growing up. I grew up in the seventies and
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying TV was perfect back then, but you
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  Speaker 2: didn't get nearly as exposed to as much dark stuff
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  Speaker 2: back then as you do.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 3: Amen to that. Let's talk about your new studio, which
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  Speaker 3: Hartman Studios. What types of projects are you going to
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  Speaker 3: make with it, and what should people look forward to?
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  Speaker 2: Well, thank you, it's amazing. They were opening up which
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  Speaker 2: Heartman Studios, and I auditioned and got the job. It
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  Speaker 2: was crazy. I didn't think that. I couldn't believe I
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  Speaker 2: got it. No, you know, it takes a lot to
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  Speaker 2: open up your own studio. And we started off with
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  Speaker 2: a garden cartoon. It was a cartoon I developed during
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  Speaker 2: my time in Nickelodeon, but I never made it at
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  Speaker 2: a Kelodion, of course. So when I left Ickelodeon in
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  Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, I decided to make The Garden cartoon, which
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  Speaker 2: is about a little lion named Lenny a little lamb
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  Speaker 2: named Lucian. Together they live and work in a miraculous
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  Speaker 2: garden where anything can grow. And God comes down as
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  Speaker 2: a rainbow and talks to them every day and gives
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  Speaker 2: them an assignment and as sue that assignment, and through
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  Speaker 2: an original song or a scripture, they learned how to
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  Speaker 2: do the assignment better. It's really funny. We started with
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  Speaker 2: funny first. His kids want to want something entertaining and oh,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, there's scripture in it too. So The
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  Speaker 2: Garden's doing really well. It's actually on Angel Studios right now.
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  Speaker 2: We just signed an exclusive deal for season two an
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  Speaker 2: Angel Studio, so that's on as well. It's going to
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  Speaker 2: be so exciting. But now we got some brand new
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  Speaker 2: shows I'm doing. I got one idea I want to
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  Speaker 2: do that. We're doing a half hour special.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: I love the story of Noah's Ark, but I thought,
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  Speaker 2: what if we took the TV show The Office and
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  Speaker 2: put it inside Noah's Ark because like they're on the
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  Speaker 2: arc for forty days and forty nights.
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  Speaker 1: Noah, his wife, a ton of talking animals. What went
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  Speaker 1: on in there?
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  Speaker 2: It's like, well, Company Picnic Friday, why they're permitting still raining?
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  Speaker 2: I guess the Company Picnic's canceled? All right, what are
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  Speaker 2: we going to do today, guys? And so that show
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  Speaker 2: is called two by two and I'm excited about that.
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  Speaker 2: So that's kind of an older kid audience for that one,
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  Speaker 2: like maybe twelve to eighteen. And then we're doing one
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  Speaker 2: called Apossom Paul, where there's a little apossum who goes
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  Speaker 2: around the land of Judea and talks about Jesus, and
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  Speaker 2: that's for younger kids.
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  Speaker 1: He's an en and he gets.
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  Speaker 2: When he gets maybe hit the head and knocked down,
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  Speaker 2: he plays dead because he plays possum.
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  Speaker 1: And so Apossum Paul's another one we want to do.
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  Speaker 2: And then we were another one about three little dragons
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  Speaker 2: that are making fast food and a town run by
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  Speaker 2: the greasy, terrible Cornhog who wants to just float the town.
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  Speaker 1: With grease and is disgusting pigfigs. His name is the
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  Speaker 1: corn Hoog.
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  Speaker 2: So the three little Dragon is named Smoky, Spicy and Stewy.
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  Speaker 2: Smoky breathes fire, he makes the hamburger's spicy breaths hot sauce,
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  Speaker 2: he makes the tacos, and Stewy breathes stell and ice
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  Speaker 2: as she makes the milkshakes. And so they have their
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  Speaker 2: fresh food, and of course the cornhog wants to destroy them.
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  Speaker 2: So the show is called Dragon Drive Through. And that's
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  Speaker 2: another one that we're doing. And these are all for
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  Speaker 2: family friendly audiences. You know, we mentioned God in them.
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  Speaker 2: They're not straight up you know, Christian shows about the Bible,
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  Speaker 2: but they are full of family values. Were full of
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  Speaker 2: fun and enjoyment for everybody.
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  Speaker 3: What does animation do that live action cannot? In other words,
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  Speaker 3: how can why? How does animation communicate it to a child?
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  Speaker 3: Maybe that other types of genres do not communicate. Why
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  Speaker 3: are you so passionate about animation?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? I love animation simply because there's so many things
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  Speaker 2: you can do in animation and you can't do in
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  Speaker 2: live action. They can do it faster. I think animation
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  Speaker 2: really gives you a chance to really go into your
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  Speaker 2: imagination and just do whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Comes to mind.
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  Speaker 2: You know, if I wanted to do an episode of
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  Speaker 2: fairly on parents. I could just draw Timmy Turner wishes
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  Speaker 2: for something.
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  Speaker 1: Which just for an elephant, Boom, an elephant shows up.
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  Speaker 2: But if I did a live action fairly on parents,
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  Speaker 2: then took like a real physical magic wand like this
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  Speaker 2: one here, and I wished up an elephant, I'd have
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  Speaker 2: to go rent an elephant, get the elephant wrangler, have
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  Speaker 2: the elephant come in, have them waiting off set.
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  Speaker 1: Ready for the elephant, bring the elephant in. Your writing
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  Speaker 1: is very.
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  Speaker 2: Limited when it comes to live action because the real
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  Speaker 2: world is a lot harder to maneuver through than a
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  Speaker 2: piece of paper with a pencil on.
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  Speaker 1: It or an iPad, if you will.
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  Speaker 2: So animation is a lot and for me a lot
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  Speaker 2: more fun to do because I could really do a
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  Speaker 2: lot more.
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  Speaker 3: Well, what strikes me though, but just that we don't
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  Speaker 3: have a ton of animation in the faith genre. We
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  Speaker 3: have some, but it seems like we have like live
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  Speaker 3: action dominates.
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  Speaker 1: Why is that?
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  Speaker 3: Is it just hard hard to do? Is it expensive?
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  Speaker 3: Is it? I think talent?
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  Speaker 1: That's such a great question. You know.
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  Speaker 2: I was just at NRB this weekend, our last week
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  Speaker 2: that National Religious Broadcasters can Mention in Nashville and they
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  Speaker 2: are about five hundred booths there, of all these different
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  Speaker 2: podcasts and TV shows and movies and apps and all
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  Speaker 2: this stuff. We were one of the only kids booths there.
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  Speaker 2: There's very little kids entertainment in the Christian marketplace, and
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  Speaker 2: I think it's because, quite honestly, kids isn't taken as
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  Speaker 2: seriously as it should be.
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  Speaker 1: And I am here to prevent that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm here to say kids do not think, not that
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  Speaker 2: the Christians don't love kids, but when it comes to
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  Speaker 2: the kids entertainment, it's not taken as seriously, quite frankly,
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  Speaker 2: because most people don't do it, like you said, most
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  Speaker 2: people don't think it is as serious. People would rather
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  Speaker 2: make like a Dave movie or Apostle Paul movie, which
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  Speaker 2: are fine movies to make, or they call them a
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  Speaker 2: Sand and Sandals movie. They want to make these Bible movies,
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  Speaker 2: and that's wonderful and they're great, But then we're forgetting
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  Speaker 2: the kids over here and listen, I'd rather start feeding
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  Speaker 2: the kids now while they're young, so that later on.
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  Speaker 2: Because I'm a pastor, I deal with a lot of
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  Speaker 2: adult set of a lot of childhood trauma.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to deal.
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  Speaker 2: With a lot of maybe I'd rather feed the kids
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  Speaker 2: now so they don't become adults with a lot of
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  Speaker 2: childhood trauma. You know, Let's get them while they're early,
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  Speaker 2: because the enemy's going after them while they're young as well.
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  Speaker 3: And there's lots of animation on different platforms that I
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  Speaker 3: have to mention that include adult themed content that included
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  Speaker 3: unbiblical worldviews. I think that's one thing we have to
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  Speaker 3: consider higher is in.
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  Speaker 2: Big Yeah, you're exactly right. You know, the biblical worldview
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  Speaker 2: these days is not a popular one. It never has
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  Speaker 2: been popular. Jesus says in the Bible, if the world
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  Speaker 2: hates you, don't worry, because it hated me first.
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  Speaker 1: You know. If you're if you're of the world, you're
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  Speaker 1: not of me. That's what Jesus says.
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  Speaker 2: And so when we're doing when we're doing things for
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  Speaker 2: Him and the world isn't agreeing with us, we're doing
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  Speaker 2: something right. Matthew five eleven says, blessed to you, and
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  Speaker 2: they were violent, curse you for my namesake, and they
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  Speaker 2: you know, they mock and revalue. It means blessed are
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  Speaker 2: you when they do that, when they when they revalue
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  Speaker 2: from my namesake. Jesus says you're doing something right, You're blessed.
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  Speaker 2: So our job is to go into the dark places
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  Speaker 2: in the entertainment world or the world in general, and
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  Speaker 2: try and be that little light, that little firefly if
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  Speaker 2: we can, and and light light the darkness. And so
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  Speaker 2: I want shows that many people laugh. I want shows
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  Speaker 2: that anybody can watch. I want I want shows that
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  Speaker 2: don't embarrass people. I want shows that can And by
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  Speaker 2: the way, here's the important thing. I want these shows
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  Speaker 2: to make a ton of money so we can make
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  Speaker 2: more shows, because it all comes down to finances. It
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  Speaker 2: all comes down to what can we fund, right, And
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  Speaker 2: that's why a lot of people in the Christian world
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  Speaker 2: they don't want to fund a lot of it. They
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  Speaker 2: want to fund all these big movies, which are fine,
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  Speaker 2: but sometimes they don't have the Hollywood level of quality
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  Speaker 2: that's necessary to be competitive. I bring that Hollywood level
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  Speaker 2: of quality to the animation that I do.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, what we used to be able to sit our
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  Speaker 3: kids in front of Disney Cartoon Network and PBS and
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  Speaker 3: let them watch it and not have to worry about it.
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  Speaker 1: That's no longer the case.
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  Speaker 3: I'm really grateful that you are doing what you're doing.
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  Speaker 3: Let's same subjects sub briefly before we close here. You
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  Speaker 3: also lead the Lion and the Lamb Foundation, which is
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: a nonprofit supporting entertainment that inspires the next generation. You
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  Speaker 3: also run Goods Hartman Art Academy. That's something else, but
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  Speaker 3: before we close, tell us about those two endeavors and
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: maybe what people should know about those.
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  Speaker 2: You are so kind, Michael, Thank you, Britch Harvard Art Academy.
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  Speaker 2: I have a ton of online courses that teach you
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  Speaker 2: not only how to draw, but how to write and
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  Speaker 2: how to produce and how to navigate.
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  Speaker 1: The entertainment industry.
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  Speaker 2: Anyone can teach you how to draw, but everybody can
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  Speaker 2: teach you how to navigate the entertainment industry. The guy
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  Speaker 2: who runs Disney Studios who doesn't draw a thing, makes
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  Speaker 2: a lot more money than the people that draw for
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  Speaker 2: Disney Studios.
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  Speaker 1: And I've been in the industry a.
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  Speaker 2: Million years and I've seen a lot of people do
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  Speaker 2: very well, but they don't really have the artistic talent
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  Speaker 2: that all these other people working really hard to have either.
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  Speaker 2: So I want to show there's guys my age that
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  Speaker 2: are living paycheck to paycheck because they didn't know how
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  Speaker 2: to handle their business. They could handle their art really well,
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  Speaker 2: but not the business end. So my job is to
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  Speaker 2: teach people how to make it in the business world
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  Speaker 2: of entertainment. That's what I want to do. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: I have a brand new seminar coming out in March,
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  Speaker 2: March thirteenth and fourteenth. It's called Hartcon for Borch Hartman.
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  Speaker 2: It's in Calabasas, California. You can sign up now. But
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  Speaker 2: I'm bringing artists, writers, producers, directors, and voice actors for
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  Speaker 2: two days to teach you what it takes to make
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  Speaker 2: it in the industry. And I really want you to
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  Speaker 2: come to that. And Line and Lamb Foundation is my
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: nonprofit foundation where if you want to donate to that,
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: you can support us and what we're doing. And I
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: think that'd be a lot of fun too. So it's
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: Line and Lambfoundation dot org because we need your support
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  Speaker 2: if we're going to get this off the ground.
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  Speaker 3: And Butch Hartman Studios is Butch Hartman Studios dot com.
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  Speaker 3: Answer that is h A R T M M A
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  Speaker 3: N or M O N M A N.
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  Speaker 2: Buch Harmamn Butch hart Man, Butchartman Studios doc.
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  Speaker 1: I see I say that I'm the art maan, Butch
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  Speaker 1: Hartman the art man. That's what I say. I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: easy to remember.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, Butch always heard dog and see you.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Michael, thank you for having me on.
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  Speaker 1: That's a bluffing.
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