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Amy Adams As Mara Jade, Say Goodbye to Mangold, and Revenge of the Sith Novelization Review CCLIX · Star Wars Alliance

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  Speaker 1: The Force will be with you always.
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  Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to another episode of Star Wars Alliance.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, I'm your host, Clay and with me like
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  Speaker 2: every single week. Of course, is Katie, Katie, how you
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  Speaker 2: doing today?
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  Speaker 3: You know, I got botox, I got an R block,
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  Speaker 3: I have whiskey.
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  Speaker 2: It's all good, better than last time, right, Yes, okay,
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  Speaker 2: that's the most important thing.
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  Speaker 3: Still get a little bit of a migraine, but hopefully
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  Speaker 3: we'll wake up tomorrow all better.
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  Speaker 2: So now, guys, we have a lot to talk about today,
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  Speaker 2: but most importantly, our main topic is, of course, Revenge
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  Speaker 2: of the the novelization. Now, I have been teasing that
• 1:04
  Speaker 2: I have had a hot take on the novelization. I
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  Speaker 2: want to go ahead and state it now. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: going to completely roll back on it, but I think
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  Speaker 2: it's important to have a separate conversation kind of in
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  Speaker 2: this episode as well. I'm gonna ask this question again
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  Speaker 2: when we actually talk about it. But I want you
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  Speaker 2: to simmer on this question while we go over these
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  Speaker 2: news topics. Okay, Katie, Okay, I need your opinion on
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  Speaker 2: what you believe a novelization should be. Okay, I need
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  Speaker 2: that clarification because I might have the wrong idea of
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  Speaker 2: what a novelization should be. So that's probably why my
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  Speaker 2: hot take is so hot as it is. But we
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  Speaker 2: will get there eventually. First we're gonna, of course, we're
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  Speaker 2: gonna be talking about some casting news, new rumors towards
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  Speaker 2: that casting. Of course, we're gonna be talking about Vision's
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  Speaker 2: season three trailer as well as what was our last topic.
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  Speaker 2: I knew there was one more. It was the yes, yes,
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna show it now, Yes, yes we do. Guys
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  Speaker 2: have in fact in front of us the deluxe edition
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  Speaker 2: of Revenge of the Sith novelization.
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  Speaker 3: Now it comes with this nice handy dandy slip with
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  Speaker 3: all your information on it, so you can just take
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  Speaker 3: this off trash it, which is what I'm going to do.
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  Speaker 3: It's so now. The dust jacket is just it's beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: I absolutely love this. Out of all the gifts that
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  Speaker 2: we have received from Star Wars and even the uh
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  Speaker 2: special editions that we've gone out of our own way
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  Speaker 2: to purchase, I think this one actually takes the cake.
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  Speaker 3: It really does, because the dust jacket is just perfect.
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  Speaker 3: It has the lovely intro crawl thing that Matthew Stover did.
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  Speaker 3: But then you take the dust jacket off, and then
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  Speaker 3: you get to see the the hard what is it
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  Speaker 3: called the hard jacket?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know the hard The hardcover itself is, of course,
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  Speaker 2: just Moustafar with Anakin and Obi Wan. It is a
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  Speaker 2: wrap around, so it continues the actual photo of the
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  Speaker 2: whole thing. But one thing some I saw this on
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  Speaker 2: TikTok and I didn't even I haven't opened this yet.
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  Speaker 2: I've actually I've had it a little bit of behind
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  Speaker 2: the scenes here. I've had it for a little bit
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  Speaker 2: longer than Katie has, just because of our locations and
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  Speaker 2: how they mailed it. So inside the very first page
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  Speaker 2: is a concept art of Anakin Skywalker and padame absolutely gorgeous.
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  Speaker 2: But the next page, or the the inside, which I
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  Speaker 2: think is actually really cool. Yes, I love the title
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  Speaker 2: card Star Wars and it's Padme and Anakin on the inside.
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  Speaker 2: I think this is gorgeous. I love this so cool.
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  Speaker 3: And obviously, guys, all the deluxe editions nowadays are coming
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  Speaker 3: with sprayed edges. This has gorgeous red edges with this
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  Speaker 3: is how it feels to be Anakin Skywalker forever on it.
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  Speaker 3: My aunt was so jealous of me getting this book,
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  Speaker 3: by the way, because she has made an effort to
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  Speaker 3: like have a shelf of red books and she loves
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  Speaker 3: the way this looks.
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  Speaker 2: And then there is yeah, I was gonna say, there
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  Speaker 2: is the concept art in the back to complete story is,
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  Speaker 2: of course the birth of Darth Vader as we know
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  Speaker 2: and love him. Of course.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and guys, the book does come with a bookmark,
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  Speaker 3: which I will be using as we go through this.
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  Speaker 3: I have not opened it other than the artwork sections
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  Speaker 3: because I wanted to come into this novelization review clean
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  Speaker 3: and not have any of the annotations in my.
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  Speaker 2: Head same and that's exactly why I haven't opened it
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  Speaker 2: as well. Full disclosure on the review that we are
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  Speaker 2: going to do. I actually listened to the audiobook for this.
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  Speaker 2: I have now listened to it twice because I wanted
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  Speaker 2: to know if my hot take was just something that
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  Speaker 2: I was kind of just like me about. So I
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  Speaker 2: listened to it all over again in the last two days,
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  Speaker 2: which is a very doable thing at two at two
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  Speaker 2: time speed. By the way, it's.
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  Speaker 3: Twenty one chapters, three parts, so very easy to break
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  Speaker 3: it down and get it listened to. I did it
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  Speaker 3: twice as well, but I've read this like myself previously.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I will be listening to it, probably at
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  Speaker 2: a normal speed now while looking over the annotations. When
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  Speaker 2: that's a good idea.
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  Speaker 3: I hadn't thought about that. Yeah, but like pir pair
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  Speaker 3: reading it basically.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that would be fun. Also, I
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  Speaker 2: think I don't think they would do it, but I
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  Speaker 2: would pay money for like a director's cut audiobook with
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  Speaker 2: the annotations literally be the only thing that is the
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  Speaker 2: audio portion of this.
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  Speaker 3: So they did that for the Air of the Empire
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  Speaker 3: twenty an really with Timothy's on and Elizabeth the editor.
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  Speaker 2: Oh so it's it could be a possibility, it could
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  Speaker 2: you know what, Now that you said it, I'm probably
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  Speaker 2: gonna message Tom today. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: message Tom and say, hey, I know you can't actually
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  Speaker 2: tell me, but you know, blink twice tell me if if,
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  Speaker 2: if this is a possibility. All right.
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  Speaker 3: I was gonna try and pull it up because I
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  Speaker 3: thought I had it on my audible, but my Audible
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  Speaker 3: has apparently kicked me out of my account on my laptop,
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  Speaker 3: so I have to figure that out.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, okay, So with that being said, really cool
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  Speaker 2: that we got that. I want to thank Random House
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  Speaker 2: Worlds Yes for giving us the opportunity to get this
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  Speaker 2: early edition. I have been seeing on Twitter as long
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  Speaker 2: as well as Sorry, as well as TikTok. There's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people who are also getting this at the
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  Speaker 2: exact same time, and I really do hope that more
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  Speaker 2: people jump in on this because it is a gorgeous edition.
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  Speaker 2: I think this is a really cool thing for them
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  Speaker 2: to do, and I cannot wait to read those annotations.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, and guys, we will be talking about the annotations
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  Speaker 3: in two weeks, which is after this book releases. This
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  Speaker 3: book releases on the fourteenth of October, so we will
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  Speaker 3: be talking about it live on the fifteenth on podcast
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  Speaker 3: feeds on the sixteenth, So we're not gonna go annotation
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  Speaker 3: by annotation, but we're going to talk highlights some things
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  Speaker 3: that we found interesting and just kind of dig into
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  Speaker 3: it there. So you can't expect to get that review
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  Speaker 3: as well from us, guys.
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  Speaker 2: Oh and I just remembered what the last bit of
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  Speaker 2: news was, the James Mangolden news.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yes, that rumor.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yes, yes, it is not a rumor. It is
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  Speaker 2: not a rumor. It is for sure happening there is
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  Speaker 2: a deadline article over this. Let's go ahead and jump
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  Speaker 2: into that now, because it is small and the discussion
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  Speaker 2: I think is a little bit smaller. But it says
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  Speaker 2: here that Paramount signs a filmmaker James Mangual to overall deal.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of people, of course immediately jumping to what's
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  Speaker 2: gonna happen to Star Wars and Swamp Thing, and of
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  Speaker 2: course both of those outlets have said, oh, it's still happening.
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  Speaker 2: It's still happening. But Katie, it something seems very familiar
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  Speaker 2: about this, don't you think?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because we've talked about it, and we talked about
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  Speaker 3: how James Mangold was probably the most to happen because
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  Speaker 3: after his movie with Timothy Shallame whatever that musical adaptation
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  Speaker 3: was this past year, he didn't have anything else on
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  Speaker 3: his plate, so we were like, okay, fully capable of
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  Speaker 3: jumping straight into Star Wars from here. Of course we
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  Speaker 3: have seen no progress, but also maybe Lucasfilm doesn't want
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  Speaker 3: to have more than one movie in production at a time,
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  Speaker 3: and with Starfighter shooting ahead, maybe they're like, okay, like
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  Speaker 3: James Mangold's will be next kind of thing. I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: I would like to have faith because I believe man
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  Speaker 3: Gold is an incredible director. Yes, and I would love
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  Speaker 3: to see him come to Star Wars. I feel like
• 10:51
  Speaker 3: he would not have accepted the movie role if he
• 10:55
  Speaker 3: didn't have a good experience with lucasfilm on in Piano Jones,
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  Speaker 3: if he hadn't had a good aperians with Indiana's Peo
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  Speaker 3: would have come back. So I think he has a
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  Speaker 3: reason to be here. I just I don't know now.
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  Speaker 3: But we have also seen with like what's his name
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  Speaker 3: the director for Force Awakens and Rise of Skywalker, where
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  Speaker 3: he's signed a picture like a he's he has signed
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  Speaker 3: a similar deal with Warner Brothers and has not produced
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  Speaker 3: anything for Warner Brothers. Yeah, yeah, JJ abrams. So I
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  Speaker 3: fully feel like this kind of thing happens all the time,
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  Speaker 3: where these deals are for original pictures and not IP
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  Speaker 3: based pictures or brand new ips. So I have, I
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  Speaker 3: have hope, but I have I have realistic expectations. Now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, same for me. I I really want it to happen,
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  Speaker 2: but I will not be surprised if I would say
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  Speaker 2: anywhere between now and Christmas we get some sort of
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  Speaker 2: officially non official statement saying that he is no longer
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  Speaker 2: going to be making a Star Wars film.
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  Speaker 3: See, but we never got an official notice on Patty
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  Speaker 3: Jenkins Rogue Squadron.
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  Speaker 2: It was.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't think we're going to have that notification.
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  Speaker 3: We're just gonna be like, yeah, this is still in
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  Speaker 3: the works, like Ryan Johnson's movie.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, so.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean again, if it wasn't Star Wars, we
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't be getting talked up about this because only ips
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  Speaker 3: really go, yeah, we have these movies in production. If
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  Speaker 3: you have an original motion picture, they're not going to
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  Speaker 3: tell you that the original motion picture is in development
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  Speaker 3: until it's ready to shoot.
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  Speaker 2: Basically, yeah, very very true, very true. But staying in
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  Speaker 2: the realm of movies, I think our next bit of news,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go ahead and give you a round of applause. Katie,
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  Speaker 2: you guessed it correctly so far. Of course this is
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  Speaker 2: a rumor. But looking at the casting for Starfighter, we
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  Speaker 2: were so confused as of why Amy Adams would jump
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  Speaker 2: onto this type of movie. And of course Katie was like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: she's probably the mother to our main character. And according
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  Speaker 2: to I believe it was RpK. Amy Adams is playing
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  Speaker 2: the mother of our main character.
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  Speaker 3: And a lot of people have jumped on an obvious
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  Speaker 3: rumor with the act with Amy Adams being red Hair,
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  Speaker 3: that she's playing mar j Now, if you guys know me,
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  Speaker 3: I have Mary Jane's lightsaber in the backdrop of my
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  Speaker 3: I'm still working on it, but anyways, I'm a big
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  Speaker 3: mar Jade person. Realistically, could this happen? Yes, to Travis
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  Speaker 3: Snell's point, Mark Hamill is technically seventy years old when
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  Speaker 3: he shot the Last Jedi the sequel trilogy, he's seventy
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  Speaker 3: years old. Give her tank Amy Adams fifty one. So
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  Speaker 3: is it wise to producers to go, yeah, we're going
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  Speaker 3: to make this Luke Skywalker's child. I don't think it's
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  Speaker 3: Luke Skywalker's child, But going ahead and talking about that
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  Speaker 3: before we get into the other part of this, I
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  Speaker 3: don't If it were to be Luke Skywalker's child, it
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  Speaker 3: still does make sense because Luke is technically like fifty.
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  Speaker 3: At the point of the sequel trilogy, we have seen
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  Speaker 3: that the characters in Star Wars basically just age really badly.
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: That's all there is to it. Basically is we're faking
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  Speaker 3: their age at this point to where oh, yes, they're
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  Speaker 3: technically fifty canonically, but realistically they're more like seventy. So
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  Speaker 3: would it look good in that regard to do it? No,
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  Speaker 3: but it still does make sense where if this was
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  Speaker 3: Luke Skywalker's child, it does make sense. And I looked
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  Speaker 3: this up, but I'm gonna have to look it up again.
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  Speaker 3: So the Rise of Kylo Rim, which is the mini
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  Speaker 3: series by Charles Soul.
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  Speaker 2: That we're actually going to be reviewing next week.
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  Speaker 3: Guys, are we reding that? I thought we were reviewing
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  Speaker 3: the Legends of Darth Vader or The Legend of Darth Vader.
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  Speaker 2: Oh you know what got those two mixed up? Sorry
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  Speaker 2: you're right, Nope, sorry character And we had planned for.
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  Speaker 3: It Kylo Ren and didn't have time. Yeah, So, guys,
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  Speaker 3: the Rise of Kylo Wrinn takes place in twenty eight
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  Speaker 3: a b y. The Force Awakens and the Force Awakens
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  Speaker 3: and the Last Jedi take place in thirty four ab Y.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm doing math here, guys, so I hope you
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  Speaker 3: follow me kind of thing. So that six years after
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  Speaker 3: the Rise of Kylo Wrinn Rise of Kylo Wrinn, he
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  Speaker 3: fell to the dark side, started working with Snoke and
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  Speaker 3: all those things. So Kyle Rin had been with six years,
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  Speaker 3: so Luke had only been in exile for at max
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  Speaker 3: six years at that point. I know it doesn't seem
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  Speaker 3: like that based on the movie, but Weirdley Wobbly, Timmy,
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  Speaker 3: Whymy and all like, the timeline does matter, yeah, to
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  Speaker 3: some extent. So the Rise of Skywalker is a year
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  Speaker 3: after the Last Jedi, so that would be thirty five
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  Speaker 3: aby Starfighter is five years later. Yes, So in the
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  Speaker 3: Legends of Luke Skywalker. And I'm pulling out more hidden
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  Speaker 3: things here that's probably not going to get followed anyways,
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  Speaker 3: but the Legends of Luke Skywalker, some of those stories
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  Speaker 3: could take place while he's traveling to go to exile,
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  Speaker 3: because if you think about it, so sixteen years no, wait, no,
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  Speaker 3: so eleven years before Starfighter is when the Rise of
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  Speaker 3: Kyla Ren happened.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on,
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: hold on. You said the Legends of Luke Skywalker. This
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  Speaker 2: is the first that I'm hearing about this, So I
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  Speaker 2: just typed it in. There's a journey to Star Wars,
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  Speaker 2: the Last Jedi, the Legends of Luke Skywalker, is that
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  Speaker 2: what you're talking about?
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  Speaker 3: Yep?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, just wanted to make sure continue.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody really knows when those stories take place, so they
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: could take place before he does his Jedi temple, but
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: they also could take place when he goes to Excel.
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  Speaker 3: Because nobody actually knows if those are Luke Skywalker, it's
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  Speaker 3: assumed it's not known, but irregardless of that fact, Rise
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  Speaker 3: of Kylo Wrinn takes place eleven years or twelve years
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  Speaker 3: technically because it's twenty eight eighty y. Starfighter takes forty
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  Speaker 3: a by m hm. The main character, kid played by
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  Speaker 3: Flynn Gray I think is the actor's name, is going
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  Speaker 3: to be fourteen years old. That still leaves two years
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  Speaker 3: for Luke to not be in exile, for him to
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: have one night stand fling or something.
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  Speaker 2: And I said it on the group chat, just because
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  Speaker 2: you're in exile does not mean you can't call for
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  Speaker 2: a booty call. Okay, leave, Hey, I'm not gonna yuck
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: anybody else's young. Luke Skywalker was lonely, you know.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: Who knows, And especially if Amy Adams character is actually
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  Speaker 3: a Jedi, what if she came and was like, I'm
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  Speaker 3: gonna help teach at the Jedi Academy and then ran
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  Speaker 3: off got pregnant.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Boom that totally happens.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: We saw it in and Or season two.
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  Speaker 2: That see that would make even more since because it
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  Speaker 2: would follow a quote unquote downward spiral that Luke believes
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: he is on and so would push him to exile
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  Speaker 2: even more. This makes total sense, Boom.
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  Speaker 3: That is why the timeline is so important. Guys, Now again,
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  Speaker 3: do I believe I do believe that there are certain
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  Speaker 3: events that people want to keep in the timeline and
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: want to make the timeline flow from that. What is
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: my argument point here about the rise of Kylo Rind
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: being important to this part of the story is that
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: Charles soul is now a consulting member of the story
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: group for TV and film. He's been to the Acolyte premiere,
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: he went to the I believe he went to the
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: and Er premiere. I don't know that one hundred percent sure,
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: but he's consulting on these things. I feel like that
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: move says, Hey, you have written one of the most
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: important characters in the sequel trilogy. Let's consult the guy
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  Speaker 3: who knows the inner workings if you want to make
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  Speaker 3: this happen. So I feel like that's legit. Do I
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  Speaker 3: think that Amy Adams is Marja? I mean, the resemblance
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  Speaker 3: there is pretty canny.
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  Speaker 2: If we don't know, I don't know, you see this,
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  Speaker 2: This is wild?
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  Speaker 3: This is this is.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody that I randomly saw on Twitter saying that it
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: would have been so much cooler if Amy Adams was
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: able to play Marrow Jade back in the early two thousands.
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  Speaker 2: And this photo was actually this photo right here was
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  Speaker 2: actually cut off like right at the chin, so I
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  Speaker 2: couldn't see her face. And then when I clicked out it,
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh wow, like this is actually really
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  Speaker 2: freaking close.
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  Speaker 3: So we're about to get into that if I'm being honest.
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  Speaker 3: The picture of her holding bin, yes, not about to.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's like four stories actually that the line.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, anyways, I do think the resemblances on canny.
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  Speaker 3: But I think mar Jade is still such a character
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  Speaker 3: that Lucasfilm may not want to bring her in. But
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  Speaker 3: if you thought that that was the case, I bring
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: you exhibit A. Why did you put her character into
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: the Disney Parks Lightsaber collection?
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Exactly? No, that is something that is absolutely true. Disney
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: and Lucasfilm are both very particular about how they present
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: their products, especially like look at Star Wars, Star Wars
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: is so reactionary on what they actually put out there, right,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: so for them to put out there now, I want
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: to also rain in both me and Katie on this
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: and have realistic expectations. There is more of a like
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: ninety five five over under on her not being Marja,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Like this is totally something that is probably one d
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: true of her not being Marja. You don't have let's
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: be real, let's just like but but the surprise would
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: it be absolutely wild? And I think I would actually
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: be genuinely like surprised if while I'm watching this movie
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: with a theater full of strangers and she presents her
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: name as Mara and I'm not freak out, Like I like,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: I actually want to see this movie with Katie, like
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: just said case there's a possibility of her being Mara Jade,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: just to see the freak out I.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: Would one I would. Matt has had to be like
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: shut up previously because I'm like a talker. I am
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: a reactionary talker. That's why podcasting has been so good
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: for me, is because I just talk, and so I'm like,
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: like in Mission Impossible, I think this was seven because
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: we watched eight separately, but it was like, holy shit,
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: that just happened. That just happened.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: He was like stret up, like stop talking.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: So you you announce her as Mara Jade. I mean,
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: imagine how much I lost my shit with Mara being
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: mentioned in Pieces of the.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: Past exactly exactly like so, So I overall I think
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: that this is fun for the fandom to brainstorm on
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: how this could be a possibility.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: So I think this is all good. Now there are
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: several articles out there that are saying like, oh, this
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: would be cool, but let's be realistic, and then like saying,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: is it really possible for her to be mar Jade?
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: And then like throwing some backs down about the timeline.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: So there's arguments for it and there's arguments against it.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: I think that the conversation overall should peak Disney and lucasfilms,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: like idea of what we the fans want in Star Wars.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: By the way, I.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: Mean, Sean Levy is a fan, so he could and
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: he is more involved on social media. We talked about
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: this when he dropped the preview image with Ryan Gosling
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: and Flick Ray like he's more involved on social media.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: He's not James Gunn, but in Star wars in social media,
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: so he could potentially be listening, but he could also
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: be like, hey, I'm not listening because my script is
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: already done, but he could have listened previously.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: So yeah. Yeah. Also, I just want to go ahead
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: and and and lay this here so that way in
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: the future, maybe not twenty twenty five, because by the way, guys,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: we do have the rest of twenty twenty five planned out,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: but maybe in twenty twenty six. I would like to
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: have a conversation with you here on the podcast on
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: the possibility of treating legends like DC treats else world stories.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: I want to have that conversation eventually. But is there
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: anything else that you want to add with this Amy
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Adams mar Jade casting rumor possibility.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: I don't think so. My I guess my last thing
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: would be I hope that if she is a former
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: Jedi Haaduan Youngling, that I would hope that we would
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: see a not correspond Order sixty six, if we are
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: going to see Order sixty six at all.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: And that was another thing about this conversation, because I
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: think it was Travis that brought up like, oh, well,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: if she's a Jedi, that actually makes no sense whatsoever,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: how is that possible? And I said, oh, she would
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: just join the club, and I just set a whole
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: bunch of pictures of every Order sixty six survivor and
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: he just responded hilariously. And we need to again remind
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: people this was a galaxy of trillions of individuals and planets.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: The Order was thousands of people, if not millions. We
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: only saw a fraction of that on screen and read
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: that in books. Yep. So just throwing that out there
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: to remind you survivors could be actually, you know, in
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: a good chunk. So I think it's very much a
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: possibility that she is an Order sixty six survivor.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: It really doesn't make a difference to me. I just
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: feel like Cora Santi Order sixty six has been showcased
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: so much. I would like to see another canon.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: I think that would be pretty cool if like we
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: saw her with like a squad of clones and then
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: just completely on some random planet and then she escaped them.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: I think that would be absolutely really cool. But also
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: it is not out of the possibility of ranges that
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: she could be a force user that taught herself and
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: was able to construct a lightsaber maybe in order to
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: tie itself somewhat to the timeline, you can say, Hey,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: I was being taught by Luke Skywalker for some time,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: but he didn't see that I was a fit student,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: so I walked away. Boom yep, throw away line. And
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: then because.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: What Luke is doing in the Rise of Kyle Reene,
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: he calls it the Jedi Order, the re establishment of
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: the Jedi Order. So former Jedi still works in that
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: case as well.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: You're right, yeah, so yeah, so we will see we
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: still have what when is uh, there's no have they
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: put a year on this yet?
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: I believe it's May seven?
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Man, Sorry, guys, I hit my max.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: Uh, so we would see a lot of publicity at
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: Star Wars celebration.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Yep, very true. All right, Well that leaves us, of course,
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: with our last news topic, which is, of course, Star
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Wars Vision's Volume three trailer release. This released five days
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: ago on what is five days?
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: It was last Thursday.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: It might have been Thursday. Actually, all I remember is
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: it was really late at night. It may have been
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: actually like pretty close to midnight. For some reason, I
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: don't know where it was debuting.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: I feel like, because this is Japanese visions like they may.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Have oh on their time zone.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: Okay, that makes sense because I feel like you sent
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: us in the chat at like eight fifty five, so
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: that you're shooting like right nine am Japanese time.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: I feel like, so, yeah, I think somewhere around there.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: But yeah, this trailer, guys, it is absolutely gorgeous. It
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: gives a highlight of I think at least every episode.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: I feel like the duel is the biggest focus.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: I think it is as well. I think you see
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: at least two or three, if not four clips from that.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: But it looks awesome. We see a Wookie in there.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Of course, we do get the highlights from all of
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: the quote unquote sequel stories ninth Jedi. We see also
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: the Village Bride continuation as well. There is one animation
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: that I cannot just like stop googly lying all over.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: It is wow. I think there's actually five different clips
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: from the duel. Actually, there is one clip or one
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: story with this girl who has a green lightsaber. Yeah,
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: and it just looks absolutely awesome. It's very three D.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: It is actually the thumbnail of the actual video with
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: the individual with two lightsabers, two red lightsabers, and hers
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: is green, beautiful colors, the reds, the orange like the peaches,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: like the peach color in the sky. But the three
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: D animation or CGI animation looks absolutely gorgeous. Can't wait
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: to watch that one. Yeah, but this looks great.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: I there's not Yeah, the visuals in these different animations.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: I feel like this trailer was really well put together,
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: just to kind of get your vibes going for the
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: trailer basically. Otherwise, I don't really have a whole lot
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: to say about the trailer in particular because obviously we're
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: not getting like story types and everything. I think that
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: does come in the cast announcement that's on Star Wars
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: dot com, because we have titles, we have synopsises, directors,
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: and cast members all on Star Wars dot com.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: That is true. I totally forgot to bring that up
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: because one thing that I did not actually look into, UH,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: but I did see from somebody in or on Twitter,
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Jody Turner Smith of course from the Acolyte UH is
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: playing a role in this volume of visions.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah. She is in with Studios the Bounty Hunters, and
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: the synopsis for that is a brogue downy hunter takes
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: on a job for a shady industrialist that has unexpected
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: consequences for her and her royd h So that's the
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: one Jody Turner Smith is in. So in order we
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: have comicast Duga plus anima with the Dual Payback UH
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: and it says, with the help of some unexpected allies
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: grown in faces off against his greatest foe, a twisted
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: Jedi known as the Grand Master, who has been on revenge.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: I don't recognize anybody in the cast. We're not gonna
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: go to in depth with the cast, guys, because there's
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: a lot but star Wars dot com. This is one
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: of the main featured UH links and I'm sure Clay
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: will link it down in the description box below for
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: you guys to go click through and see project Studio
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: Q has the Song of Four Wings and it says
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: a princess turned rebel protects a child from the might
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: of the Empire on a snowbound planet. And the person
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: of note I feel like in this is Stephanie Schu
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: who was in Oh Gosh, Everything Everywhere all at once.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: The next one is also another sequel, so that is
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: from production I g The Ninth Jedi Child of Hope
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: and it says pursued by Jedi hunters and blasted adrift
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: into space. Ara encounters a seemingly abandoned ship tended to
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: by a mysterious droid. And U Simu Lou is in
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: this one, okay, yeah, uh you want to go to
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: the next one?
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Yes, well, we talked briefly about it. Of course. It's
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: the Wit Studio The Bounty Hunters. A rogue bounty hunter
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: takes on a job for a shady industrialist and has
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: unexpected consequences for her and her droid. Director is Junichi Yamamoto.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: The English voice cast, of course, is Earl Balen and
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Ah Say, Ronnie Shang, Joseph Lee, and Jodie Turner Smith.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: I want to go ahead and also reiterate, uh, well,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: we haven't said this before. I don't want to be
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: disrespectful in saying the name is wrong. That's why I'm
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: not gonna be saying all of the Japanese voice actors
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: and I do apologize.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: Uh, but yeah, I wasn't even gonna try. That's why
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: I hadn't said.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well I don't. I don't want it
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: to come around be like, why did you only say
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: the English voice actors but the next episode title here
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: is from uh Kinema Citrus Company, Yuko's Treasure. The synopsis
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: is a sheltered orphan teams with a street rat kid
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: to rescue his droid caregiver and find a long lost treasure.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: The director is uh Masaki Tachibana. English cast is Liam
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Carlson Julian Paz for Doe uh federoov. I think is
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: how you maybe pronounce it?
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: This is why I wasn't trying.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: But also like, I don't see any big name on
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: this one, So I do like how it's kind of
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: a mixture. There's gonna be names that you actually know,
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: whereas there might be just some really strong known voice
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: actors and actresses that are just attached to these projects.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: And I really like that. The Kinemum Citrus Company is
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: also doing an episode called The Lost Ones, with the
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: synopsis being after assisting refugees escape a natural disaster and
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Incognito f is forced to you what were you saying
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: to confront?
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: So this one is the other sequel. This is the
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: sequel to the Village Bride. Oh.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: The Village Bride Okay Okay is forced to confront the
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: ghost of her past when their refuge g ship is
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: intercepted by the Empire. I also don't recognize any.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: Oh, come on, you gotta least recognize Mark Strong.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, yes, of course. Yeah. Oh and Ryan Potter if you,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: of course have seen Titans. Uh, he was Beast Boy.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: So that Karen Fukuhara from the Boys is.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Also yes, that is very true.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: Uh. Next one is Trigger with the Smuggler desperate for
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: a quick payday. A smuggler takes a job to rescue
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: a fugitive from the Empire.
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: You have.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: The director is Masahiko Atsuka. I don't recognize anybody in
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: this list, just for continuity's sake. The Dual Payback is
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: directed by Taka Nobu Mizuno, and the Song of Four
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: Wings is directed by Haro Yasu uh And the ninth Jed,
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: a Child of Hope, is drinted by now now Yoshi
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: hi Tani. The next the next one, after the Smuggler,
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: is by Polygon Pictures with the Bird of Paradise and
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: then says after she is blinded in battle, a hot
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: headed Jedi padawan must undergo a series of spiritual rituals
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: in order to overcome the temptation of the dark side,
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: and this is directed by Tadahiro a Ka Tati Yoshi Hira.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the biggest name that you should know from here is,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: of course George de Kay from of course Star Trek.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: I feel like Victoria Grace I don't know. Yeah, George
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: is from is from Star Trek. I feel like Victoria
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Grace is somebody I should know. Sounds familiar, but I'm
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: not entirely sure. But the last episode says here. Now
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: I say episode, but I'm not entirely sure. If this
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: is on the like listing, per epis like in order, right,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: So so the last one here is called David production.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: It is called Black. A psychedelic battle between past and present,
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: light and dark and life and death plays out in
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: the haunted psych of an Imperial trooper who is on
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: his cusp of defeat, directed by sina Urhira, and there
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: is no English voice cast. Now I take this to
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: be one or two things. One Star Wars dot Com
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: just forgot to place it on there, or two the
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: Psychedelic Battle is supposed to be a silent film, like
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: I think it is actually supposed to be a silent film,
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: and the Japanese version may have a little bit of narration.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Towards it is all I think.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that makes sense as well. It'll be
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: interesting to see, guys. Visions Volume three is out October
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: twenty ninth, on that day because that is a Wednesday, Guys,
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: on that day we will have kind of a brief
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: review of the entire thing with favorites and stuff. But
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: all of November we will be going through the episodes. Yeah,
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: we will tie the three sequels into one episode and
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: then the other two episodes of November will be focused
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: on the other six broken down three apiece. So just
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: so you guys know what to expect, because obviously if
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: it comes out on Wednesday, we're waking up early to
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: watch it, right and that.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: And that is something that we have thought about as
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: well in discussed We have no idea if this is
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: going to be a you know, eight o'clock release or
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: whatever like the other shows have been recently. As far
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: as Disney Plus goes, we have of course had weekly releases.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: I don't believe that's what they're going to do with this.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: That's not what they have done in the past. I
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: think that it is a case of, hey, if it's
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: not broke, don't fix it. So I believe this will
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: be another two am drop and we will have to
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: watch these throughout the day and of course come in
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: at of course our regular time of seven pm and
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: just do an overall discussion.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: So with that, that is it for the news and
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: all of that jazz. We are going into our main
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: topic of the night, of course, being Revenge of the
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Sith the novelization review. Now, Katie, at the beginning of
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: this podcast, I asked you a question. I said, what
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: is a novelization supposed to be? Can you tell me
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: in your own words what you believe a novelization is
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: supposed to be?
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: So, guys, to me, a novelization means it's basically an
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: adaptation of a movie. We see a lot of book
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: to movie adaptations, and book to movie adaptations always take
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: liberties with what's given to them and go, okay, let's
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: change this. Oh, but let's change this. So I feel
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: like to set scenes in a book, you have to
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: approach it differently than how a movie might do it,
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: because a movie can provide a lot of visual stimulization
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: to get how the get how the characters come to
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: a certain point, whereas in a book you need to
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: include more detail because you aren't seeing that kind of
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: stuff on screen. So to me, a novelization is simply
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: an adaptation, and an adaptation can take liberties.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, now, I I get that when I was listening,
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: because I don't. I have not read many adaptations. This
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: is the first Star Wars novel that I have read
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: that is an adaptation. Everything that we have read has
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: been an original story within Cannon. We have not read
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: like the Phantom Menace novelization or any in all of that.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: This is the first one that we've read. In my mind,
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: what it is supposed to do is, of course, tell
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: the story that was told already on film and give
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: context in some scenarios. I do know that because I
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: saw it recently, I think literally today, because there was
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: some promotion being done for the twentieth anniversary deluxe edition
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: of this well actually I don't know if this is
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: the twentieth anniversary, but the deluxe edition of the novelization
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: coming out this year. There was a quote from George
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Lucas that basically told the author, Hey, as long as
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: you don't mess up the original story, you could do
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: whatever you want. Was basically his one rule. There are
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: moments on my first listen, because again I listened to
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: the audiobook on this. On my second read, I did
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: borrow the digital book from my local library on Libby,
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: and so while I was listening, I was actually like
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: reading it as well. On my first listen, Katie, there
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: was some of the additional context that was added to
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: this book that I felt quote unquote ruined the surprise
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: of what was on film. But on my second listen,
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: I'm like, wait a second, if I'm reading this, I'm
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: not also watching it or I'm not intended to immediately
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: go watch the film. Instead, what I'm really supposed to
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: be doing is I'm supposed to be watching the film
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: and then reading the book. So I was taking it
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: in perspective of literally like picturing the movie in my
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: head and then like taking those additional scenes to see
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: where they fit and if they fit correctly. So the
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: very first like real additional scene that I could really
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: point out was there's a scene in the very beginning
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: of this book that is with Count Dooku and Palpatine
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: and doo Wu is getting off giddy because it's like, oh,
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: I get to like sit back and semi retire after this.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: We're gonna you know, finally be you know, on the
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: road to recovery in this galactic war and whatnot. Blah
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah. And in my mind, I was thinking,
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: of course of the movie, and so I'm like, well,
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: this kind of ruins the surprise of the reveal of
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Palpatine later down the line. That was why I kind
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: of had my hot take, because I was like, oh,
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: this doesn't really fit because like the big reveal is
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: the fact that Palpatine is the Sith Lord Sidious.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: So like.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: There was that feeling to it. I still liked this.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: I still liked a lot of being able to have that,
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: you know, thought press a subduke who threw that fight.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: I really did. I did enjoy that. I finally got
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: the context of the dragon we have. It was, I
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: believe a certain point of view that we last what
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: was the last one we returned to the Jedi That one
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: had a reference to the dragon. I was like, Oh,
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: that's kind of cool. I don't know what this is,
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: but that's kind of cool. Is literally a reference to
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: this story. It is the reference of the dragon that
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: is inside Anakin Skywalker. I dug that story. I like
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: the idea of Anakin at one moment in his Jedi career,
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: in his lifetime, literally seeing a dead sky or a
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: dead star and like contemplating life after that, Like that
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: is so cool. I really dig those moments.
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: I so I can give you fair points on Palpatine
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: being revealed kind of at the beginning, because that really
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: is the first time that Palpatine is utterly confirmed as sidious.
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: Because this book actually came out five months or not
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: five months a month for the movie actually came out.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: What really was like the first time, Yeah, yeah, picked
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: this came out April second, two thousand and five, and
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: Revenge of the Sixth movie itself came out May sixteenth,
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: two thousand and five.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: Now, granted, guys, I say this well in advanced knowing
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: that Palpatine is in factitious. Guys, Like, this is not
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: my first time, and even when I watched Revenge of
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: the Sith, I knew that Palpatine was sidious, Like it
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: was not a surprise to me whatsoever. But there's people
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: out there that were surprised. There's there's kids that like
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: the prequel trilogy was like their first form of Star Wars,
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: and then like they they were right there when it
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: was announced to Mace Windu and the other Jedi masters.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: There's kids in that theater being like, oh my god,
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: you know, like well actually it would have been before
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: that with Anakin, but still, like you get the point.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: And that's kind of like and and that's why I
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: felt like, ah, like there's some things here that go
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: a little above and beyond that that freedom of liberty
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: that they are having to be able to kind of
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: just mess with things. But again, he was giving full
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: rein to as long as you don't mess up the
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: core story, you could do whatever you want. And that's
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: exactly what they did. They did nothing to the core
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: story of Revenge of the Sith.
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: They really didn't. Matthew Stover had the script of Revenge
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: of the Sith, so you have all of like the
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: Rebel Alliance founding meetings, or in this book, you have
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: like originally in the movie, Kalpatine was supposed to like
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: make Obi Wan and Padme look like they were having
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: an affair. That's why you get that scene where.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: And see, I didn't know that. So while I was
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: reading this book, guys, there's a ton of deleted scenes
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: in Revenge of the Sith, like We've talked about it before.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Shoot Man Mathma yep Uh, Jenevieve, she had a deleted
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: scene in Revenge at Sith. There are moments in this
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: book that do give a little bit more con like
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: context as to why the Rebel Alliance didn't birth literally
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: right then and there. They like they're specific wording that
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: is given to Padame that I really did enjoy it.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, this makes sense now. This kind of
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: like shows how there is that slow burn for mon Mathma,
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: for Bail. I like the reasoning behind that. Now. I
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: will say this, if this was an actual scene in
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: Revenge of the Sith script and it did not make
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: it on screen, and it didn't, I'm actually really pissed
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: off if it actually was in the script. There is
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: a moment where Obi Wan Kenobi and Yoda pretend to
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: be a hunchback and a baby and they talked to
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: a clone and they're like, oh, well, how do I
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: know that's a baby? And Yoda's like, oh, I guess
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: this lightsaber will tell you, and then he starts killing
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: people like it was the cheesiest thing I have ever
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: seen in a Star Wars book. And I'm actually really
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: mad that it didn't make it on screen.
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: I don't think that would have been a scene in
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: the script.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: Well, but because again when you it's super funny and
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: the tone completely shifts for that one moment, and I
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: think ultimately if it was an actual scene in the script,
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: that's why it had to be cut, because it completely twists.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: When you watch Revenge of the Sith, all of the
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: quote unquote funny moments are literally before the fight with Douku,
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: the moment Douku's head gets completely chopped off. There is
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: no funny moments in that movie. Now you can like
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: we as a phenomenon of a fandom have made memes
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: about you know, hello there and the entire uh uh
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: for my empire speech at the very end, like we
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: as the Internet have memed about that. We have made
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: that funny. But the context of the movie, there is
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: no humorous moments after Duke whose head is sliced. And
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: so that's why, Like when I first because again listening
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: in audiobook, the narrator had to do it in Yoda's
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: voice and all this other stuff, it was absolutely hilarious.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: I had to actually rewind the audiobook and make sure
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: that actually happened because I was like, there's no way
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: this is actually in the Star Wars But yeah, I
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: think that this book did exactly what it was supposed
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: to do. It was an adaptation getting the actual Like
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: somewhat definition here, a novelization is an adaptation of a
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: story from another medium, most commonly film, TV series, comic,
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: or video game. So yeah, there is special liberties with that.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: I really loved the opening of like making Obi Wan
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: and Anakin like larger than life heroes of the galaxy.
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like this is very like soap opera esque,
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: very Shakespeare. You're set up into a wave where you
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: could basically put this on screen and go okay. This
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: story has given you the basis to put it on
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: screen without ever having to see Revenge of the Sid basically,
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: and I like, so okay. So this novelization was my
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: second Star Wars first book. I read Children of the
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: Jedi first, but then Children of the Jedi is how
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: I fell in love with Star Wars. And so then
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: it was just about to be where Revenge of the
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: Sith was coming out, and so my mom and dad
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: went to go see Revenge of the Sith to basically
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: screen it and see if it was appropriate for me
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: to go see h and they decided it was too violent,
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: and so my mom bought the novelization and read it
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: to us, and she still filtered out the mega violent parts,
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: like she literally, guys, she literally had post it notes
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: over sections where she had annotated, hey say this instead
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: of this page, basically because the page was too violent,
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: and so like I fell in love with the novelization
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: even with those eliminations tacond place, Like I didn't remember
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: the hunchbag scene with Obi Wan carrying baby Yoda, Like
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: I didn't remember that at all. Like I imagine my mom
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: took that out because it was killing people. Like this
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: novelization is just it expands the story so much and
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: allows you to see what probably because George Lucas had
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: stared at the script over and over again, and he
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: probably didn't take any critiques on it. Really, I mean,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: like the dude knew what he wanted and so he
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: probably looked at it and saw, okay, I understand what's happening.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: But realistically he probably needed somebody else to come in
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: and say, hey, I don't understand what's happening, to really
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: edit the story and go okay, we need to build
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: up to everything in a New Hope properly. So let's
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: include this, let's include that. And so this novelization takes
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: that and runs with it, like I love that. George
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: Lucas was like, hey, yeah, go for it. Like and
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: apparently George Lucas literally took the book and gave it
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: a line edit like and said, hey, instead of this word,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: use this word. Like that's how much he edited this
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: novelization to get it down to what he still wanted
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: it to look like. Come hair to the movie. Is
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: there liberties taken with this? Yes? But this is one
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: of the best novelizations I've ever read. This is truly
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: the best adaptation given to a story, whether it's Star
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: Wars or not. Like, I am not a Lord of
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: the Rings fan. The movies for Lord of the Rings
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: are better than the book. Like that's how much I
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: can't stand the Lord.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: Of the Rings.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's a hot take. I have not mustered the
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: strength to purchase the Lord of the Rings books, the
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: Hobbit and all of that because they are so like overwhelming,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: Like I look at those books and I'm just like,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know that.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: The Hobbit in that by the way the Lord of
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: the Rings movies themselves, the Hobbit movies garbage. Lord of
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: the Rings movies good, uh, better than the book. This
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: book is better than the movie in and of itself,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: like Leaps and Bounds, And don't get me wrong, I
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: greatly appreciate George Lucas for bringing us the movies so
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: that other people could play in this universe, because I
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: think other people needed to play in this universe in
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: order to make the series work as what it is today.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: Let's be real, if it wasn't for other people playing
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: in the sandbox, Disney would have never boxed Star Wars.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: We would never have more Star Wars movies. It would
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: just be the sixth.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: There.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: There was some things in this book that I think
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: were great additions to context and how they both were
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: via in the novelization versus in the movie. The biggest
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: example of this is the addition of Qui gon Jen
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: at the end of the book. We know that in
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: the movie at the very end, when Yoda and Bail
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: and Obi Wanan are all talking about what their next
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: move is, how do we go into hiding? What's next
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: for the children. All of that, Yoda says, hey before
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: you go a mission I have for you, given to
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: me by your old master, and he's like, Qui gone,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: and then it moves scenes. It's like a really big
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: it's like a really like reveal. Right, So I like
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: how that happens. I also like how in this book
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: we get the voice of Qui gon Jen actually talking
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: to Yoda.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, in a in a.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: Portion where everything has kind of simmered down a bit,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: Yoda's on his own, and then Qui gon Jin reaches
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: out to Yoda. I like how it happened organically. They
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: didn't kind of force it or shoehorn it in there.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: It happened really at the perfect spot where you're not like, oh, well,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: is this really a place where Qui gon Jen would
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: have talked to Yoda and all of that. There's no
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: need to have that conversation. It just works. There is
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: also I'm trying to think what other stuff was in there,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: the additional Jedi that Anakin killed, that Darth Vader killed.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: I have one complaint about this. The destruction of the
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: Jedi temple and everything else is fine now, I believe
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: it is. When the when they're on Mustafar and Anakin
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: is slaughtering the separatists. There's I can't remember who it was,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: but they are like pleading to Darth Vader like, oh,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: you know, we were promised like all this stuff, we
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: were gonna be rewarded handsomely. And Darth Vader says, oh,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: you don't believe him handsome and then like kills him
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: like ibsolute.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 5: I don't really think that fits well, Like that is
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 5: an Anakin thing to say, not necessarily something that I
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 5: would believe Darth Vader to say.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: You know well, And that's I think it is very clear.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: I feel like this separatist slaughter on most of art
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: basically kind of converts Anakin fully into the Darth persona.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: I feel like Anakin is still shining through at some
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: points in what we get with Order sixty six, the
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: Palpatine conversation, and then yeah, Padme, I feel like Anakin
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: still shows through there. I feel like Darth Vader takes
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: over after the separatist thing, because Anakin goes, wait, but
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: do you see what I can do and then go
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: like figures out like oh, like I'll kill Palpatine after
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: I get the secret to Eternal Life, I'll take over
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: the galaxy. Padme will rule I will be her princes
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: kind of thing, like he gets all of that in
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: his head.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: I think that is supposed to be like like legitimately
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: what happens, because if you remember in the movie, after
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: the slaughter, we get that really close up of Anakin's
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: face and his eyes finally like his eye color changes
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: and everything else, it's supposed to resemble that Anakin is
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: no longer there. So I think that does work perfectly.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because I feel like Anakin as a fighter
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: is definitely quippi. And I mean we still even get
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: that with Darth Vader in Rebels, in other in like
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: the comics and stuff where Darth Vader still equips and
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: so in that case, like it's still there.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: That is true. There was that one quip that we
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: both were like, oh that was really cool in a
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: bad Batch Sanctuary at the very end of that book. Yeah,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: so I get that. I still think what annoys me most,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: and this annoys me, like even in the actual movie
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: is the lack of conversation with Anakin Skywalker in the Council.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: I think that that is still something that was like
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: you still got more contact over it, for sure, Like
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: I think that's that's one of the most frustrating things
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: is if you watch Revenge of the Sith, you don't
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: really know why, like you can kind of like say, like, Okay,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: they want him to do this, they don't want you
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: know him to know too much. Blah blah blah. You
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: get every juicy detail of what the council is talking about,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: and it's still like there's a moment where Yoda in
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: the conversations of like, hey, we're gonna take down Palpatine today,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: We're gonna do it right now, And Yoda's like, what
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: about Anakin? And I'm like, thank you, somebody finally wants
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: to bring him in, And Mace Winder's like, nah, I'm
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: gonna do it, and I'm like, good damn it, dude,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: Like you like, you're right there, you're right there.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: You have no trust in him because you're worried about
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: him potentially turning. But if you had had trust in him,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: he might not have turned. You can't say he wouldn't
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: have turned, but his frustration with the Jedi councils that
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: they have no trust. Yeah, and so if they had
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: given more trust, that could have done a lot of
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: good things for the Jedi Order. Obviously, not an overall
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: critique of the novelisation and the context had no choice
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: on that.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah and no, and I'm just saying I'm stating it,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: like the consistency with that still works, and also like
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: for all of you who are still mad at the concept,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: it's still here in this anobilization, you know, so nothing
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: there changes and the I liked the well, I will
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: say this. I did put one note and I did
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: already reiterate this, but these were my exact thoughts after
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: reading the chapter. It was. Chapter two is when the
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: reveal of Palpatine with Douku, and I literally wrote, I
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: think going into too much detail having the discussion of
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: Douku and Palpatine about their plans, of course, to ultimately
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: fail to show that Palpatine always has plans for his
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: own partially ruins the reveal the way it's supposed to
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: happen organically, was my initial thought.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: I do also feel that sidious as Palpatine is not
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: the big part of the story here, though, Like, and
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: that's just my opinion. If that's like a big part
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: of your opinion with this, then that's fine. I don't
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: I've never considered sidious being Palpatine to be a big
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: part of it. I also felt like it made any
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: can It made Palpatine's betrayal of Douku all the more
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: poignant because is Douku doesn't realize that, hey, I'm actually
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: gonna die here so that Anaikin can take over as
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: pad one. Like reading Douku's thoughts that Stover puts into
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: this as he's waiting to die by Anakin's hand, he realizes, like,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: you see that on oh my gosh, I can't remember
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: the actor's face, Christopher Lely, Christopherly, you see that on
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: Christopherly's face, like that look of betrayal. But putting those
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: thoughts out into the universe that Stover does, like it's
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: insane that he realizes, hey, I was never supposed to
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: make it out of this alive, like and that just
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: makes Antonakins fall to the dark side all the more
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: dangerous well like.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: And it it does play into like the like all
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: of those details play into further into the book because uh,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: I don't believe I can't remember exactly, but I don't leave.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: Mace Wind brings it up in the movie, but in
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: here in the novelization, he tells Anakin like while he's
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: facing off against Palpatine. He does say, Hey, you killed
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: Douku and you felt that it was necessary, don't you
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: believe that I should feel like this is necessary as well?
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: Like they play on that, and I do like that
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: portion of it, and you're right, I do. Like there
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: was a moment where in the beginning of the book,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: like Douku is talking to both Obi Wan and Anakin
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: and they say something about Palpatine, and like he literally says, oh,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: I had such an urge to wink at Palpatine but
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: decided not to. And I'm like, okay, playing koy with it.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: I do like that a little bit. But yeah, I
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: still like all of the like intense details that they
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: give to the things that we did see in the movie,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: the firefight with the ships, the very beginning.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: The one thing that I'm still not entirely sure if
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: i'd necessarily like is every every major character in this
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: book gets like a small little like monologue like hey,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: this is who I am, type of like paragraph in
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: the book. I don't know if I necessarily love that.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: Like there's there's a there's a moment where, like in
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: the very beginning where obi was like, oh, this is
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: Obi Wan he you know, this is how he fights,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: this is how he is towards Anakin, blah blah blah,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: and then it goes to Anakin, and it goes to Patame,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: it goes to Dooku and things like that.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like that also meant to like lean into
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: the opera esque feel of it, because it's like your
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: introduction to the character. Like and again thinking back to
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: how George Lucas initially meant this, like he really didn't.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: He intended it forward to be like, Okay, hey, you
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: jump into an episode of Saturday Cartoons, so you just
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: kind of need that introduction in.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: The very very it's very theater esque.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I enjoy those points because I feel like that
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: has been some of like the biggest quotes out of
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: this book is those elements. Uh this is obi Wan
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: like on on the deluxe edition, this is how it
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: feels to be Anakin Skywalker forever. Like he's leaning into
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: the emotional details of the character and giving you that
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: insight without taking away from the plot of the story.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: It's like a snippet. It's very much like a t
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: show where like you're slowing down kind of and it's
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: like the lightsabers coming in and you go, this is
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: Anakin Skywalker. He does. I could see that, Like, that's
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: how I have always pictured it. I love those elements.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: I one thing that I did like in that same
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: kind of vein is because in the most recent books
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: that we have been reading and I and I will
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: be zeroing in on C three Pouh for a particular
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: review that we're actually going to be putting on Patreon.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: By the way, guys, if you are unaware, we are
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: reviewing the New Jedi Order books on Patreon. If you
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: want to go listen to those only five dollars for
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• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: in here, I do like that C. Three is more
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: than just the side character. Yeah, he plays a specific role.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: Although he is kind of like this silly in the movies,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: this silly kind of comedic relief kind of like, hey,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: let's kind of ease the tension here type of character
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: he was able to play off of like the scenes
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: that he was involved in, so like with the whole entire, like, oh,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: the Jedi coup and you know, the Order is being
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: destroyed and all this other thing. Oh, Obi Wan is here.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: I should probably call somebody oh wait, Padame is actually
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: acting pretty chill with him, so maybe I should just
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: step back a little bit, Like I like those moments
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: because again, just like those little hey, let's slow down
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: a bit moments, CEE three po is actually being used
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: for that moment and you get to see a scene
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: from their point of view looking into Patame and Obi Wan. Right,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: So I do like that. It still wows me. I didn't.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: It didn't even dawn on me until you literally you
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: said it that that they were supposed to like be
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: having an affair, which I think now was like, oh wow, okay, yeah,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: that totally makes sense. That's why it was written like that,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: just the way that Bale was like, oh you already
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: know her name, you know who it is? Uh So yeah,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: I I overall, I will say my hot take isn't
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: so hot anymore. I think it is understandable. But like
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: you said, the reveal of Palpatine is not the main
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: takeaway of this book. It is all of the is
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: literally all the meat and potatoes of this book is
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: what is supposed to be taken uh when reading this,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: because again you're supposed to in my mind, this is
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: not how an that's this is not how everybody's supposed
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: to do it, because anybody can do whatever they want.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: But in my mind, you watch the movie, then you
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: read the adaptation, so like you you get all the
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: little small uh context to the big major parts, Like
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: there was the Commander Cody one, the Order sixty six
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: announcements like oh did you have to give it to
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: me now? And you know, not like why do you
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: have to wait until I gave you gave them the lightsaber?
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: Like cause there because again there's like this small like
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: inkling that they're still inside there, you know, rather than
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: just like the immediate turn to Order sixty six. I
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: do like that.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love the Cody moment because you always felt
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: like apparently I just kicked Matt off its Xbox because
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: I told him, Hey, I'm having issues with my internet
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: the soaps. Sorry, Matt, we're finishing up. So yeah, I
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: love that moment with Commander Cody because I always felt
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: like that needed to be in there, because you go like, oh,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: hey you're missing something and like hands it back to
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: him and then like seconds later Order sixty six crap. Okay, Yeah,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: I love that, and I think.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: Even up you cut out say that again, it's trying. Okay, Okay,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: I am marking this down as something that I need
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: to edit, but go ahead and say that again.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: I feel like getting that snippet in the novelization also
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: makes the bad batch with Cody at the end like
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: even more special, just as he like as he like recognizes, hey,
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: this is what happened like kind of thing.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I get that that And that's something that
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of people need to consider as well. That, like,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: because this is still Cannon, it puts so much weight
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: on other portions of the timeline.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: So this is actually not canon. It's still considered a
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: part of Legends. Really, Yeah, so I'm going to be
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: putting it on my Cannon shelf just because it's a
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: hardcover and I don't have any other Legends hardcover books.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: But it's not technically Cannon.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: Despicable. I actually like this enough to say that it's canon.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: Why is it not canon?
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: Because that's what Disney has chosen to do.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: That's so dumb now, cause again, like you also add
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: ventures in here, Like that's something that we had no
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: idea about at the time of this release.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: Because Stover pulls and stuff from the comics, he pulls
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: and stuff from all of like the other Legends items,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: So yeah, we could head canon the shit out of anything.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: It could be canon that.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: Is true, that is true, and.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: The other novelizations on my shelves.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, my Star Wars collection is not
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: as intensive as yours, so all of my books are
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: literally all together. The only thing that is separate is
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: my mass market New Jedi Order books, so those are
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: separate on my shelf, but all of my Star Wars
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: books are together.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I separated up. So we have high Republic
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: and prequels over here, and then oh no, it's not
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: gonna turn So then over here we have Empire time period,
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: and then we have movie time period on a second shelf,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: and then we have posts original trilogy into sequel trilogy.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: So basically I have three shelves. The shelves on a
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: shelf dedicated to Star Wars books, and then I put
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: stuff around.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: It works great for me. I think that works perfectly. Actually,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: there's three different trilogies, three different shelves. I think that
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: works perfect. But is there anything else that you wanted
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: to add for the review? Any insights or anything like that.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: I don't think so I mean, we know the plot
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: of this. I think we've talked about a lot of
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: the highlights of this novelization. Truly, this one is super special.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: I'm so happy that the flex edition. Again, in random
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: house worlds, you always just know what to come up
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: with to make fans super happy. So thank you, and again, guys,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: make sure you go check out the deluxe edition. I
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: believe it's listed for sixty bucks at most retailers, but
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: to me, as a collector of Star Wars books, it's
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: worth getting this special edition. And there's a lot more
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: feature to this special edition compared to some of the
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: other special editions we're seeing out nowadays.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm literally looking at all of the different
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: covers for this. There was CDs of this, there was
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: a book on tape CDs. There is actually a Romanian
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: movie like like the actual movie poster had their cover
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: with this, which I am actually really jealous of. And
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: then of course at the very bottom it does show
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: of course the twentieth anniversary cover. But yeah, I actually
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: really enjoyed this. I'm just gonna have to double down
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: that I am. I am so mad now that y
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: go to acting like a baby is not Cannon and
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: that should immediately be fixed because just how you reiterated
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: early earlier in the actual review, you know you you
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: were stating down here on the Wikipedia, it does state
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: that was rebranded in twenty fourteen as legends under the
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: classification classification C. Cannon have no idea what that means,
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: but I don't know what that means either. Well, I'm
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: gonna have to do some research on that then. But yeah,
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: I just think that life would be better knowing that
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: Yoda had pretended to be a baby to get inside
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: the Jedi temple, and that should be canon. But with that, guys,
• 1:25:42
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• 1:26:02
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• 1:26:05
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• 1:26:12
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• 1:26:16
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• 1:26:19
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