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The Kenny Report | 23 February · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for us, Welcome to another week here on the
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Speaker 1: Kenny Report. Tonight the return of the Islamic State families.
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Speaker 1: Is the Albanese government doing all it can to keep
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Speaker 1: the country safe and is it guilty of double standards?
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Speaker 1: I'll be joined by Independent MP Dye Lee and Coalition
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Speaker 1: frontbencher Sarah Henderson. One nation's first electoral test will be
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Speaker 1: in the South Australian election just four weeks away. Now,
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Speaker 1: South Australian Premier Peter Malanaskis joins me. The former Prince
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Speaker 1: Andrew who faces shame, ridicule and possible charges. Will it
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Speaker 1: be removed from the line of succession. I'll cross to
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Speaker 1: Sophie Illsworth in London. Also Donald Trump's tariff battle with
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Speaker 1: Jemma and Caroline. Also we'll look at some idiocy on
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Speaker 1: the beach from an animal rights activist. Let's get into it.
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Speaker 1: Let's just be frank about what the Albaneze labor government
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Speaker 1: is doing when it comes to national security, border security
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Speaker 1: and immigration in this country. Confronted with thirty four people
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Speaker 1: associated with Islamic State, eleven families of so called Isis
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Speaker 1: wives and their children currently in a Syrian camp that
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Speaker 1: was set up to detain Islamic State families. Well confronted
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Speaker 1: with this, the government is pretending its hands are tied.
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Speaker 1: It's slapped a temporary exclusion ban on one of the women,
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Speaker 1: but it says it has an obligation to provide passports
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Speaker 1: and travel documents to the others. I mean, it's quite pathetic,
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Speaker 1: isn't it. The Prime Minister and his Home Affairs Minister
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Speaker 1: are insisting they're doing nothing to help the Islamic State cohort,
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Speaker 1: but at the same time they're allowing them in.
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Speaker 2: On the information that we have. The best way to
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Speaker 2: protect Australians has not involved any further temporary exclusion orders.
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Speaker 3: So don't pose a threat to Australia.
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Speaker 2: That's the You need to make sure you've got the
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Speaker 2: best way of protecting Australians. That's what our agencies do.
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Speaker 4: Are you actively trying to stop them coming back?
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Speaker 2: Then, oh, we don't want them to come back.
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Speaker 1: But are you actively trying to stop them?
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Speaker 2: We're actively making sure we do nothing to help them,
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Speaker 2: nothing to help them at all.
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Speaker 1: The only reason there is.
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Speaker 3: Stop them is the question, I beg your pardon. Nothing
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Speaker 3: to stop them, Well.
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Speaker 1: You can't.
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Speaker 2: Other than a temporary exclusion order, there isn't a legislative
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Speaker 2: power to be able to stop an Australian citizen from
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Speaker 2: entering Australias.
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Speaker 1: I mean the way Burke tells that he might as
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Speaker 1: well not be minister. He's just leaving it to the
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Speaker 1: bureaucrats and the security agencies to sort out. What's the
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Speaker 1: point of a minister. And it's pretty much the same
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Speaker 1: from Anthony Alberanisi who's dismissing the Coalition's calls to keep
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Speaker 1: these people out and toughen up the laws to stop
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Speaker 1: other Australian citizens helping them.
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Speaker 5: They don't have serious plans. If they did, they wouldn't
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Speaker 5: have allowed more than forty people came, including fighters, on
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Speaker 5: their watch when they were in government. The laws that
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Speaker 5: are in place of the laws that were put there
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Speaker 5: by the coalition. They pretend that the Constitution doesn't exist.
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Speaker 5: They know that there are some limits on what can
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Speaker 5: be done. But I repeat, our position is we are
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Speaker 5: not repatriating people and we're not providing assistance.
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Speaker 1: This obfuscation from Labor is wearing pretty thin. They're pretending
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Speaker 1: to be mere spectators when even the Labor Premier of
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Speaker 1: New South Wales, Chris Mins, admits that talks have been
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Speaker 1: held to organize services for the group when they arrived
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Speaker 1: from Syria and.
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Speaker 6: The New South Wales government would educate them and we
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Speaker 6: would make sure that they were safe, and we would
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Speaker 6: make sure that they were within an organization or a
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Speaker 6: group or an educate kisha or school that had Australian values,
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Speaker 6: because I think that's important. That's the nature of the
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Speaker 6: conversations with the Commonwealthson. That's what services would be provided,
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Speaker 6: and I think it's also important to state, but they
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Speaker 6: were the kinds of services that have been provided to
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Speaker 6: previous cohorts that have come to New South Wales.
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Speaker 1: The other clear federal labor connection to this repatriation plan
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Speaker 1: is through the Australian Lebanese GP, reportedly in Syria trying
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Speaker 1: to organize the return of the Islamic State families. Jamal
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Speaker 1: Riffi headed up the Friends of Tony Burke group at
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Speaker 1: the last election, which helped to provide support from the
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Speaker 1: Lebanese Muslim community to get Burke re elected if the
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Speaker 1: coalition's proposed new laws were passed. The sort of assistance
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Speaker 1: reportedly being provided by Riffi could be made illegal.
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Speaker 4: I said right from day one, we need to shut
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Speaker 4: the door to people who will bring hate and terror
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Speaker 4: to our from another place, and that includes backdoors. That
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Speaker 4: includes people using backdoors to get people to our country
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Speaker 4: who hate our way of life. And frankly, we make
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Speaker 4: no apology for taking a strong stand.
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Speaker 7: On this room.
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Speaker 1: Labor is confused and weak on this issue, just as
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Speaker 1: it's been confused and weak on anti Semitism and Islamist
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Speaker 1: extremism over the past two and a half years. In fact,
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Speaker 1: it's been more than confused and weak, it's been hypocritical.
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Speaker 1: It's shown clear double standards. Labor has issued a temporary
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Speaker 1: exclusion ban on one of the thirty four people currently
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Speaker 1: in Syria, and it did that only after public outcry.
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Speaker 1: But it tries to argue it can't act in the
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Speaker 1: same way against the others, and the double standard is
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Speaker 1: clear because of the way it's treated Israeli's trying to
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Speaker 1: get to Australia. Two years ago, Burke slapped a last
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Speaker 1: minute visa ban on a mainstream Israeli tech and social
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Speaker 1: media commentation, Hillel Fuld, who was coming here for charity events.
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Speaker 1: Labour also banned the former Israeli Justice Minister I let Shakhed,
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Speaker 1: infuriating Israel and the outrage only escalated when Burke and
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Speaker 1: Albanesi banned a sitting Israeli politician, right wing Simscha Rothman,
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Speaker 1: who'd planned a speaking tour but was also blocked, And
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Speaker 1: just last month, another Israeli influencer, Sami Yahud, was banned
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Speaker 1: from coming to Australia. So this is the hard line
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Speaker 1: stance by Labor against Israeli's wanting to come here and speak.
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Speaker 1: Yet the same government has been soft and ineffective when
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Speaker 1: it comes to Islamist hate preachers on our shores. And
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Speaker 1: Tony Burke has even turned up at the airport to
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Speaker 1: welcome temporary immigrants from the terrorist badlands of Gaza, a
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Speaker 1: group that, despite government claims, surely could not have been
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Speaker 1: subjected to comprehensive security checks. Australia has issued three visas
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Speaker 1: to Gardens, vastly more than any comparable country, and we're
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Speaker 1: not told what's happening with the Gardens who are here,
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Speaker 1: or if and when they'll return to the Middle East.
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Speaker 1: With all this going on, and after the worst terror
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Speaker 1: attack in our history, and while we're suffering perhaps the
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Speaker 1: most obvious lack of social cohesion since federation. The Prime
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Speaker 1: Minister seems to just want to pretend it all the way.
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Speaker 5: It's important that people in positions of authority, including politicians,
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Speaker 5: promote social cohesion rather than seek to gain political benefit
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Speaker 5: through opportunistically trying to divide people and trying to raise fear.
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Speaker 5: So what we do as a government is will continue
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Speaker 5: to work on social cohesion.
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Speaker 1: But if you ask me, they haven't been working on
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Speaker 1: social cohesion. They've been working on avoiding the decisions, refusing
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Speaker 1: to stamp out the hatred, demonizing Israel while being soft
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Speaker 1: on who they led into the country from terrorist bad lands.
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Speaker 1: What the albaneezy labor government has done and failed to
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Speaker 1: do hasn't helped social cohesion. It's fostered a social cohesion
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Speaker 1: crisis where activists freely preach hatred and Jewish schools and
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Speaker 1: synagogues operate behind traffic barriers and armed guards, and incredibly
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister seems relaxed about it. So when Pauline Hansen
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Speaker 1: told Green's Senator Marine Feruki to pee off back to Pakistan,
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Speaker 1: a court found that she'd breached racial discrimination laws. But
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Speaker 1: apparently it's okay for former labor Senator Fatima Payman to
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Speaker 1: say this.
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Speaker 8: How Pauline Hanson that if she doesn't like hawth things
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Speaker 8: are here in Australia, then she can really pack her
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Speaker 8: bags and go to the US and continue being best
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Speaker 8: buds with Trump.
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Speaker 1: Even though Payment said nothing about Hanson's race. This is
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Speaker 1: just one of the many obvious paradoxes and double standards
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Speaker 1: in public debate in this country. It increasingly looks like
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Speaker 1: a two tiered system, doesn't it. I mean, we could
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Speaker 1: also look at Pauline Hans's wrongheaded comments that created such
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Speaker 1: a fuss last week. You know, you say, oh, well,
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Speaker 1: there's good Muslims out there.
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Speaker 9: Well, I'm sorry, how can you tell me there are
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Speaker 9: good Muslims?
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Speaker 1: Now? Stack of people have slammed anybody criticizing Hanson over
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Speaker 1: these comments, and others have busied themselves explaining what Hansen
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Speaker 1: was trying to say. But the bottom line is she
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Speaker 1: said something that was factually and ethically wrong, which is
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Speaker 1: why Hanson apologized for it on this very program. Fair enough,
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Speaker 1: that's what happens in sensitive and robust national debates. But
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Speaker 1: then cop this we read reports that Hanson's remarks have
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Speaker 1: been referred to police and being in investigated the possible
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Speaker 1: breaches of hate speech laws seriously, and none other than
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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister has been keen to sink the boot.
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Speaker 5: Paul En Hansen has made a whole career of dividing Australians,
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Speaker 5: whether it be Asian Australians, Muslim Australians, Indigenous Australians. This
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Speaker 5: is someone who doesn't ever look for unity. She looks
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Speaker 5: for people to blame who she regards as not being
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Speaker 5: like her.
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Speaker 1: Again, this is a clear double standard because almost daily
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Speaker 1: for more than two years, we've heard much worse shouted
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Speaker 1: with impunity on our streets, calls for violent uprisings and
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Speaker 1: terrorism against Israelis and Jews, disgusting stuff.
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Speaker 10: From Gadigal to Gaza Flobalize.
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Speaker 8: The answer finals on my time, from Gadigol to gad.
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Speaker 1: Where was the Prime Minister's condemnation here? It didn't happen, yeah,
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Speaker 1: And where were the police investigations into this stuff? Where
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Speaker 1: are the police and other authorities when people have publicly
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Speaker 1: celebrated the slaughter and kidnapping of Israelis and Jews, when
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Speaker 1: people have marched in the streets calling for Israeli deaths,
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Speaker 1: asking where the Jews are and f the Jews demanding
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Speaker 1: into fada and flying the flags of terrorist outfits. All
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Speaker 1: this seems to have been tolerated, even encouraged by some.
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Speaker 1: There is a double standard. There appears to be a
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Speaker 1: two tiered system. Government and law enforcement agencies need to
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Speaker 1: fix this because double standards and injustices only cause resentment
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Speaker 1: and that further the mines social cohesion. I want to
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Speaker 1: go now to the independent MP in the Western City
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Speaker 1: electorate to Fairfield diar Lee, Good to talk to you.
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Speaker 1: The reason I wanted to talk to you, I organized
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Speaker 1: this morning to catch up with you, is because it
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Speaker 1: seemed to me that there's a fair chance these Islamic
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Speaker 1: State families could be settling in an electorate like yours.
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Speaker 1: And you just heard that the state Premier, Chris Mens
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Speaker 1: is preparing the state government to provide housing, social services, education.
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Speaker 1: How do you feel about the arrival of these thirty
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Speaker 1: four people.
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Speaker 11: Well, I'm slightly shocked because I've asked the government twice
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Speaker 11: in the last eighteen months. I think the most recent
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Speaker 11: one was in November to give me the guarantee that
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Speaker 11: they won't be resettled back anywhere within Fowler or within
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Speaker 11: close proximity to Fowler because the reason being is that
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Speaker 11: my community, in particular Australians of Assyrian, Kardean, Mundane and
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Speaker 11: her cities heritage fled the Isis atrocities and so they
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Speaker 11: have you know, made a Fouler Fairfield their home and
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Speaker 11: rebuilding themselves. So it's I think the news and hearing
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Speaker 11: what the premium means have said today that a third
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Speaker 11: of them will be resettled here in New South Wales.
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Speaker 12: That is a huge concern.
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Speaker 11: The government has not indicated to me when I put
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Speaker 11: the question in Parliament will they be resettled anywhere here
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Speaker 11: in Southwest and Western Sydney, particular in my electorate. So
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Speaker 11: we don't know where they will be resettled, but that
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Speaker 11: is a big issue that it's going to be in
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Speaker 11: New South Wales and the Government does have.
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Speaker 12: To be.
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Speaker 11: Very take that into serious consideration. Of course, you know,
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Speaker 11: we understand, we need to understand that we need to
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Speaker 11: take you know, terrorism, the fear of the lives of
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Speaker 11: ices affiliated members coming back here is quite scary.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, a correction there, of course I did call your
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Speaker 1: electro to Fairfield to this Fowler and now you have
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Speaker 1: a very multi ethnic community as you referred to. It's
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Speaker 1: very easy for people to talk about these sorts of
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Speaker 1: issues in the abstract, but you have a community that
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Speaker 1: might be dealing with these people returning. There will be fear,
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Speaker 1: there could be resentment. What do you expect to hear
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Speaker 1: from from your own constituents and what do you think
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Speaker 1: their biggest worries would be.
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Speaker 11: Look, we they have races with me a couple of
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Speaker 11: years ago, and I have brought this to the Prime
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Speaker 11: Minister and the Minister of Home Affairs Tony Burke, emphasizing
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Speaker 11: that these families have you know, lost homes, have lost
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Speaker 11: loved ones, and they have lived through that iss you
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Speaker 11: know what ISIS tried to do to their.
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Speaker 12: Families back in Iraq.
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Speaker 11: So they speak from live experience, uh, And they have
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Speaker 11: raised the concern that it's very hard for people to
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Speaker 11: understand how fears can be triggered, and because they have
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Speaker 11: lived through it, they know what these the isis people
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Speaker 11: can be, you know, capable off. So it's something that
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Speaker 11: I probably, you know, I'm sure hopefully our government understand
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Speaker 11: that that that seriousness and so for me, I've got
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Speaker 11: to try to ensure that my community is protected, protected
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Speaker 11: and that they are safe, and that the government has
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Speaker 11: to do everything in its power to ensure that what
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Speaker 11: these communities have lived through will not they don't have
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Speaker 11: to really live here in Australia.
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Speaker 1: Okay. We know that some people have returned, both adults
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Speaker 1: and children, from ISIS or the caliphate as once existed
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Speaker 1: across Syria and Iraq. Are we to assume then that
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Speaker 1: they have reintegrated into Australian society without any trouble the
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Speaker 1: secrecy around this, but we haven't heard of any problems.
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Speaker 11: Look, you know what, I hope that they are monitored
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Speaker 11: and would like to, you know, get that reassurance that
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Speaker 11: its monitored constantly and that they also have to face
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Speaker 11: the consequences of you know, going back and you know,
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Speaker 11: joining ISIS and supporting that horrific regime over there. So
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Speaker 11: my hope, you know, we weplace, if I can say,
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Speaker 11: trust in the government, in the security and in you know,
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Speaker 11: the bodies, the intelligency, the intelligence bodies to protect and
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Speaker 11: to keep our community safe. And my hope that the
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Speaker 11: government that Anthony Albanesi leads will do that for our
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Speaker 11: community here in Fouler in Westerns.
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Speaker 1: In there, the Prime Minister seems to be telling everybody
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Speaker 1: that the way to have social cohesion is just to
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Speaker 1: say that everybody's tolerant and everything is lovely. I don't
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Speaker 1: think I've seen the social division that we've seen in
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Speaker 1: this country before in my time. The hatred expressed against
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Speaker 1: the Israelis and Jewish Australians and the tension and indeed
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Speaker 1: horrible violence that's caused. What's your assessment of social cohesion
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Speaker 1: in the country at the moment and the federal government's
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Speaker 1: impact on it.
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Speaker 11: I arrived here as a refugs, you know, Chris, and
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Speaker 11: you know, it was very hard in the first few
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Speaker 11: years of settling in Australia after the White Australian policy.
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Speaker 11: But I know that the large majority of Australians are
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Speaker 11: real fair income Aussies and they love, you know, to embrace,
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Speaker 11: you know, support people like myself to resettle as long
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Speaker 11: as we also give back and you know, be part
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Speaker 11: and embrace the Australian uh, you know, culture and and
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Speaker 11: you know, learn the language and be part of the
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Speaker 11: widest society. And I live in one of the most
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Speaker 11: multicultural electorate in the country. We breathe it every day. Diverse,
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Speaker 11: multi faith, multicultural speaking one hundred and seventy plus languages
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Speaker 11: here in our community.
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Speaker 12: I'll invite you.
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Speaker 11: To come out here, Chris and see that I really
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Speaker 11: make a plea to my community. And I have to say,
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Speaker 11: I'm very proud of my community. Despite what we hear,
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Speaker 11: the noises that's happening outside of the Fowler, the Southwestern
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Speaker 11: Sydney borders, we are living side by side because moms
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Speaker 11: and dads are just going to work to put food
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Speaker 11: on the table, to try and to make ends meet,
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Speaker 11: you know, to pay their rents or to pay their mortgages,
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Speaker 11: or to run their small businesses. So there are so
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Speaker 11: many of those hard working microans like myself or refugees
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Speaker 11: like myself who have come to call Australian home.
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Speaker 12: And it's proud Australian. And so I.
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Speaker 11: Think that, and I like you, I've not seen such unrest,
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Speaker 11: in such division, having lived and grown up here for
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Speaker 11: so long. It is a concern, is it the leadership
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Speaker 11: of our country?
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Speaker 1: Uh?
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Speaker 11: And I think that perhaps in the last lat from
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Speaker 11: since last term to now, I've seen an increase in
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Speaker 11: anger in people.
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Speaker 13: Uh.
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Speaker 11: You know, probably a lot of that got to do
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Speaker 11: with the economic condition. People are struggling and the government
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Speaker 11: isn't doing anything to alleviate their their cost of living,
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Speaker 11: and people are are living you know, you.
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Speaker 12: Know, hands to mouth.
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Speaker 11: So so I think that the government has a lot
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Speaker 11: to do with it of creating a condition for people
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Speaker 11: to thrive to live harmoniously. So it is up to you,
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Speaker 11: Anthony Albanesi, the Prime Minister and his leadership team to bring.
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Speaker 12: Our community together. And yes, I think they have failed
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Speaker 12: to do.
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Speaker 1: That, tyl y, that's all the time we've got. Thanks
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Speaker 1: so much for joining us. I have been to your
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Speaker 1: neighborhood many times, a fantastic neck of the woods. Next
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Speaker 1: time I'll knock on your electric office door. Direly they're
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Speaker 1: joining us. The member for Fowler in the Western Suburbs.
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Speaker 1: Obviously the people there who have suffered at the hands
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Speaker 1: of ices worried about Islamic State families coming back into
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Speaker 1: the country quite understandably. Let's catch up now with Sarah Hendon.
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Speaker 1: Sarah Henderson, who's the shadow Communications Minister for the coalition.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us again, Sarah. I want to get
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Speaker 1: you on issues outside your portfolio to start with, and
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Speaker 1: this proposal from the Coalition not only to stop the
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Speaker 1: current Islamic State families from getting back to Australia. We've
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Speaker 1: heard the arguments about how that could be done over
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Speaker 1: recent days, but a proposal for new laws that would
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Speaker 1: make it a crime for citizens of this country to
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Speaker 1: help in that process. Explain that to.
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Speaker 14: Us well, Chris, good afternoon, and under Angus Taylor's leadership,
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Speaker 14: we have made it very clear that we will do anything,
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Speaker 14: in everything to protect Australian's way of life and of
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Speaker 14: course to restore their living standards. So something that the
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Speaker 14: government is founding very dramatically on both fronts.
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Speaker 12: So we have announced that we.
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Speaker 14: Will introduce legislation to make it a crime for any
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Speaker 14: person or organization to travel to a terrorist hotspot and
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Speaker 14: to assist terrorist supporters to return to Australia. We're doing this, Chris,
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Speaker 14: because frankly, the government has failed dramatically to give Australians
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Speaker 14: any assurance that our community will be safe. They are
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Speaker 14: ducking and weaving, they are not telling the truth. For
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Speaker 14: this Prime Minister to talk about unity, what a joke.
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Speaker 14: He is dividing our country by not putting Australians first.
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Speaker 14: And this is why this legislation is so important.
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Speaker 1: Just to be clear on this, we are led to
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Speaker 1: believe that doctor Jamal Riffie, a well known Lebanese Australian
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Speaker 1: man I know him well myself, is in Syria allegedly
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Speaker 1: trying to organize the repatriation of these people. Now he
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Speaker 1: will be doing this for his own altruistic reasons. There's
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Speaker 1: no suggestion that would be against the law now and
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Speaker 1: he's not returning my messages at the moment, so we
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Speaker 1: can't even confirm all this. But this is what we
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Speaker 1: has been reported is happening. But what you're saying is
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Speaker 1: under your new laws, an Australian citizen doing that would
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Speaker 1: be breaking the law. They would know that it's illegal
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Speaker 1: to go and try and arrange this sort of repatriation.
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Speaker 14: Absolutely, and also organizations, and we know that Tony Burke,
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Speaker 14: the Minister, has been working behind closed doors with the
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Speaker 14: organization Save the Children, which is also involved in attempting
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Speaker 14: to bring back this cohort Avisis bride brides and their children.
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Speaker 14: That is simply not good enough. So anyone looking to
22:37
Speaker 14: come back to Australia, they must.
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Speaker 12: Of course be properly assessed.
22:40
Speaker 14: And so that's why there is a humanitarian and security
22:44
Speaker 14: assessment exception as built into the proposed legislation because it
22:50
Speaker 14: is our security agencies which must make this determination and
22:55
Speaker 14: not individuals, not organizations going through the back door bringing
23:00
Speaker 14: terrorist supporters back to this country. That is absolutely not
23:04
Speaker 14: good enough, Chris. And the fact that the Prime Minister
23:07
Speaker 14: is just throwing his hands in the air and saying
23:09
Speaker 14: nothing to do with me, this is a self managed return.
23:13
Speaker 14: What a load of absolute rubbish. There is a fundamental
23:17
Speaker 14: obligation of every government to keep Australians safe and the
23:22
Speaker 14: Prime Minister and his government are failing Australians dramatically on
23:26
Speaker 14: that front.
23:27
Speaker 1: Sarah Henderson, thanks so much for joining us, Sarah Henderson
23:30
Speaker 1: there with the very clear exposition of the coalition's views
23:34
Speaker 1: on this and new laws that it's proposing. We better
23:37
Speaker 1: take a break after that. We're going to talk about
23:39
Speaker 1: one nation's first electoral test since their resurgence. It's going
23:43
Speaker 1: to be in South Australia just four weeks away in
23:46
Speaker 1: the state election. The South Australian Premier, Peter Malinowskis will
23:49
Speaker 1: join me live now. As you probably heard, the South
23:56
Speaker 1: Australian state election was going to be a bit of
23:58
Speaker 1: a yawn because the Liberals have been in the shambles
24:01
Speaker 1: for a long while, and the Labor Premier, Peter Malinowskis
24:05
Speaker 1: has been riding high. So it was going to be
24:07
Speaker 1: a lay down mazaire. But what's made it really interesting
24:10
Speaker 1: nationally is one nation's polling like they are in the
24:13
Speaker 1: rest of the country. One nation appolling ahead of the Liberals,
24:16
Speaker 1: So it's going to be the first test for them
24:19
Speaker 1: see how much damage they do to the Liberals, but
24:21
Speaker 1: also how much damage they can inflict on the Labor Party.
24:24
Speaker 1: Joining me live now from Adelaide is the South Australian Premier,
24:28
Speaker 1: Peter Malanowskis. Thanks for joining us, Premier.
24:32
Speaker 3: My pleasure, Chris, thanks having me.
24:33
Speaker 1: First up, I want to ask about an interesting policy
24:36
Speaker 1: you announced on the weekend. The housing crisis is national,
24:39
Speaker 1: of course, a lot of people concerned about older people
24:44
Speaker 1: living in big houses and not being able to downsize.
24:47
Speaker 1: You're offering a big stamp duty incentive to try and
24:52
Speaker 1: help those people downsize into smaller new properties. Do you
24:56
Speaker 1: think this is a policy that could be transferred nationally? Well?
25:02
Speaker 3: Who knows, Chris. I think everyone around the country is
25:05
Speaker 3: looking at each other's jurisdictions to see what policy interventions
25:08
Speaker 3: work when it comes to the housing crisis, and as
25:11
Speaker 3: far as South Australia's concerned, Mike Gouvern has had one
25:15
Speaker 3: singular objective and that is just to increase supply. We've
25:19
Speaker 3: seen references to various silver bullet solutions in regards to
25:23
Speaker 3: the housing crisis, and many of them might actually make
25:26
Speaker 3: the problem worse. For instance, the Greens we're advocating for
25:29
Speaker 3: rent capping at one point, which of course would be
25:32
Speaker 3: an act of madness when you're trying to incentivize the
25:35
Speaker 3: growth in supply. Now, one thing that we did a
25:37
Speaker 3: couple of years ago was abolished stamp duty all together
25:41
Speaker 3: for first home buyers. If they buy a new build
25:44
Speaker 3: or off the plan or moving into a place that
25:47
Speaker 3: hasn't been lived into before, they pay zero stamp duty.
25:52
Speaker 3: So what we've seen out of that is a growth
25:54
Speaker 3: in housing supply. We've now got the fastest housing growth
25:56
Speaker 3: rate in the country. So we've now decided to extend
25:59
Speaker 3: that policy beyond us first home buyers to also people
26:02
Speaker 3: who downsize, people over the age of sixty who are
26:05
Speaker 3: in the bigger family home who might have stayed there
26:07
Speaker 3: because they're worried about the transaction costs of stamp duty,
26:10
Speaker 3: or we're now removing stamp duty on properties up to
26:13
Speaker 3: two million bucks provided they're moving into a new build,
26:16
Speaker 3: to continue to see more supply come into the system.
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Speaker 1: Now, I think it's an interesting idea, but interesting to
26:21
Speaker 1: see how it goes, and I've no doubt that other
26:23
Speaker 1: state governments will look at it if it works. Let's
26:26
Speaker 1: talk about One Nation. They're making a big surge in
26:30
Speaker 1: the polling in South Australia. You've recognized that they had
26:33
Speaker 1: a bit of a launch there over the weekend. Here's
26:35
Speaker 1: what Corey Bernardi, the former Liberal now running for the
26:38
Speaker 1: Upper House in South Australia, had the same.
26:41
Speaker 7: One Nation is different to the Liberal and Labor parties.
26:44
Speaker 7: We're different to the Uni parties I like to call them.
26:47
Speaker 7: We actually mean what we say, and we say what
26:51
Speaker 7: we mean, and I'm happy to say that our priority
26:54
Speaker 7: is unashamably the people of South Australia.
26:58
Speaker 1: Now One Nation primary, you're taking their polling support from
27:02
Speaker 1: the coalition parties. And I'm going to show some vision
27:04
Speaker 1: now that might interest you, Premiere, because our Sky News
27:07
Speaker 1: cameraman has just managed to pick up some vision of
27:10
Speaker 1: Corey Bernardi drinking outside of the famous Exeter Hotel on
27:14
Speaker 1: Rundle Street with Liberal Senator Alex Antik, who's been rumored
27:19
Speaker 1: to be a possible recruit for One Nation. He's always
27:22
Speaker 1: denied that, but that's an interesting pairing on Rundle Street.
27:25
Speaker 3: Premier I will in politics, Chris, as you will know,
27:31
Speaker 3: you never say never. Just listening to Cory Bernardi there,
27:35
Speaker 3: he said all makes him different is that he for
27:38
Speaker 3: the people. Was I'm pretty sure that's the reason why
27:41
Speaker 3: everyone decides to get it in a public life, even
27:43
Speaker 3: though I might disagree with him completely. But look, I
27:47
Speaker 3: think you know, the rise of One Nation is worthy
27:50
Speaker 3: of recognition. I think it's worthy of contemplating what's driving
27:54
Speaker 3: that along?
27:55
Speaker 1: Could they take any sense to blame it only comes
27:57
Speaker 1: from the liberals?
28:00
Speaker 3: Well, I think if you're a politician, if you're elected
28:03
Speaker 3: departiament and you think there's such a thing as safe
28:05
Speaker 3: seats these days, you are completely naive to what's going
28:08
Speaker 3: on in the world around us. I think the fastest
28:11
Speaker 3: way to lose a vote is to take it for
28:13
Speaker 3: granted right, and that extends up to the seat level
28:17
Speaker 3: and then the government level as well. So as far
28:20
Speaker 3: as I'm concerned, though, Chris like, We've got the state's
28:23
Speaker 3: economy firing, we've got wages growing, we've got housing supply
28:28
Speaker 3: on the up, and we are the first we knowledge
28:30
Speaker 3: there's a lot more to do, and I'm just going
28:31
Speaker 3: to focus on the bread and butter. I'm going to
28:33
Speaker 3: focus on growing the economy to get more people in
28:36
Speaker 3: better paid jobs and be able to afford houses to
28:39
Speaker 3: live in with actual policies to achieve it. We've spoken
28:42
Speaker 3: about abolition of stamp duty as attacks on lots of
28:46
Speaker 3: people to achieve that. So you know, I'm not out
28:49
Speaker 3: just talking in rhetorically or in slogans. We've got a
28:52
Speaker 3: lot of policy that we've been announcing and we've got
28:54
Speaker 3: more that we announce into the future, because that's what
28:58
Speaker 3: a serious political outfit is here is party of Government
29:01
Speaker 3: seeks to do. But you're very munt in any way,
29:04
Speaker 3: talk down.
29:06
Speaker 1: Yep, Sorry, there's a bit of a delay there. I
29:08
Speaker 1: didn't mean to cut you off. You're very pro immigration
29:11
Speaker 1: and you've criticized one nation for some of what they've
29:14
Speaker 1: had to say on immigration. Are you concerned about the
29:18
Speaker 1: Islamic state families coming back into Australia and if they do,
29:22
Speaker 1: would you expect that the federal government would alert you,
29:25
Speaker 1: as a state premier to any ISIS families coming into
29:28
Speaker 1: your state.
29:32
Speaker 3: Well, we would certainly expect our security operations, namely through
29:36
Speaker 3: South Australian Police, to be advised of any risk that
29:39
Speaker 3: the comealth is aware of. Absolutely nothing's more important than
29:43
Speaker 3: keeping the community safe. And when it comes to immigration, Yeah,
29:47
Speaker 3: when you say I'm pro immigration, what I'm pro is thoughtful,
29:51
Speaker 3: well calibrated, sustainable immigration, which of course safety has to
29:55
Speaker 3: be the paramount consideration. What I reject, though, Chris, is
29:59
Speaker 3: a style of politics that seeks to sort of drive
30:03
Speaker 3: division and discord through the community rather than just focusing
30:07
Speaker 3: on some obvious truths, which includes the fact that in
30:11
Speaker 3: an environment where we've got full employment, and that is
30:14
Speaker 3: certainly true in South Australia at the moment, you know,
30:16
Speaker 3: we've got skill shortages everywhere I look. And the type
30:19
Speaker 3: of areas that worry me the most is housing construction,
30:22
Speaker 3: because I've actually got to build more homes for Australian
30:24
Speaker 3: citizens who are choosing to live in South Australia because
30:27
Speaker 3: of all the job opportunities. That's the first challenge, and
30:30
Speaker 3: the second challenge of God is We're in some areas
30:32
Speaker 3: we've had an aging population, we've got more people going
30:36
Speaker 3: to wage care, and they're struggling to recruit people to
30:38
Speaker 3: work in those environments. And the two examples of an
30:41
Speaker 3: obvious place where migration should come in.
30:44
Speaker 1: You expressed that in a rather controversial way last week.
30:47
Speaker 3: Have A looked My message to one nation voters is
30:56
Speaker 3: who's going to feed you and bathe you and wipe
31:00
Speaker 3: you bum when you're ninety right, Because it ain't going
31:05
Speaker 3: to be your kids, because if I get my way,
31:08
Speaker 3: they're going to be working on submarines.
31:11
Speaker 1: Premier, Do you regret that? Was that a bit demeaning
31:14
Speaker 1: towards immigrants?
31:17
Speaker 3: No, no, it doesn't diminish their value. In fact, that
31:22
Speaker 3: the opposite's true. I'm speaking to the value of people
31:25
Speaker 3: who come into this country and share our values and
31:29
Speaker 3: work hard and seek to provide for their families. In fact,
31:32
Speaker 3: if you extended that clip, I went on to say,
31:36
Speaker 3: we want young South Australians getting the skills to be
31:39
Speaker 3: able to build submarines, which are going to be really
31:41
Speaker 3: well paid jobs. They will have to be Australian citizens
31:44
Speaker 3: necessarily because of security requirements on the ORCHEST program.
31:48
Speaker 1: So I want young as.
31:49
Speaker 3: The kids getting the skills to get high paid jobs
31:52
Speaker 3: doing something very purposeful for our whole nation, to build submarines.
31:56
Speaker 3: And then I want them to have a home to
31:57
Speaker 3: live in, and that means someone's gonna have to build
31:59
Speaker 3: that home. And what we've seen in this country, including
32:02
Speaker 3: in South Australia's waves of migration, doing the jobs on
32:05
Speaker 3: building sites that no one else is willing to do.
32:07
Speaker 3: We've got a shortage of concretors, we've got a shortage
32:10
Speaker 3: of brick layers. And in the past we had the
32:12
Speaker 3: Greeks and Italians doing that work. Then we had the
32:15
Speaker 3: Serbs and the Crowauts doing that. These are good people
32:17
Speaker 3: who work hard, right, they share our value system of
32:21
Speaker 3: working hard and providing for their families. And I think
32:24
Speaker 3: that's a good thing. And I think, you know, most
32:27
Speaker 3: Australians would acknowledge that's I've been a critical part about
32:30
Speaker 3: the Australian story. I count my family as part of that.
32:34
Speaker 3: My grandfather was Lithuanian and all he did he came
32:36
Speaker 3: here and just worked his guts out so that his
32:39
Speaker 3: son and then in turn me, my brother and sister
32:42
Speaker 3: had a shot in the world. And I think that's
32:45
Speaker 3: a good thing. And that's why I just I'm not
32:48
Speaker 3: adverse to just pressing back a little bit against this
32:51
Speaker 3: idea that all immigration's bad and just trying to divide
32:54
Speaker 3: everybody up. Let's just speak about it honestly and speak
32:57
Speaker 3: to the value that it has culturally but also economically,
33:00
Speaker 3: particularly in an environment of full employment where we need
33:03
Speaker 3: people building houses. I just what would break my heart,
33:07
Speaker 3: Cris is if we saw an opportunity lost in South Australia,
33:10
Speaker 3: unprecedented economic opportunity that we've got in this period of growth,
33:15
Speaker 3: if we lost out on that because we said no
33:18
Speaker 3: to people who are willing to come here and do
33:20
Speaker 3: jobs that no one else is willing to do.
33:22
Speaker 1: Right.
33:22
Speaker 3: We need people here building homes to unlock that economic opportunity,
33:26
Speaker 3: and it would break my heart if we lost that
33:28
Speaker 3: chance because of a misplaced debate on migration.
33:33
Speaker 1: Premiere, thanks so much for joining us. I hope to
33:36
Speaker 1: catch up with you again in South Australia during the campaign.
33:40
Speaker 3: Thanks Chris Cheers.
33:42
Speaker 1: Peter melanauskis there the Labor Premier of South Australia. Look
33:44
Speaker 1: out for one nation in that state. Pole will be
33:47
Speaker 1: all over it here on Sky News in the coming
33:50
Speaker 1: weeks and on election night itself, we're going to get
33:52
Speaker 1: to a break. On the other side, we'll be crossing
33:54
Speaker 1: to London. We'll catch up with Sophie ill's Worth. We'll
33:56
Speaker 1: find out what's happening to that former Prince Andrew and
34:00
Speaker 1: whether he's going to be cut out of the line
34:01
Speaker 1: of succession. Let's go to London now and catch up
34:08
Speaker 1: with Sky and News contributor News Corp correspondent as well
34:11
Speaker 1: for Europe. Sophier'sworth. Good to talk to you. So we've
34:14
Speaker 1: got to get the lowdown non former Prince Andrew. Where's
34:18
Speaker 1: he at at the moment? I believe a lot of
34:20
Speaker 1: the locals are pretty cranky at him.
34:25
Speaker 12: They are, indeed, Chris.
34:26
Speaker 15: Look, I've just spent three or four days at Sandringham
34:30
Speaker 15: where it was really a circus around there. There were
34:32
Speaker 15: security guards, there were police officers, there was a huge
34:36
Speaker 15: amount of media contingency after former Prince's arrest last week.
34:42
Speaker 15: Now we know that at Royal Lodge at Windsor, they're
34:45
Speaker 15: continuing to trawl through his property as this investigation is ongoing.
34:50
Speaker 12: Chris, and there on screen we.
34:52
Speaker 15: Saw someone put up that front page photo that went
34:56
Speaker 15: around the world of him when he left the police
34:58
Speaker 15: station hanging up in the in Paris. That was put
35:02
Speaker 15: up by an activist group, which was taken down fifteen
35:05
Speaker 15: minutes later.
35:06
Speaker 12: But I can assure you, Chris, it's going to be.
35:09
Speaker 15: Another very grim week for Andrew mount Batton Windsor as
35:13
Speaker 15: the spotlight continues on him for his relationship and friendship
35:18
Speaker 15: that he had with Jeffrey Epstein.
35:20
Speaker 1: I'll come back to that photo in a moment, but
35:22
Speaker 1: first up, let's have a look at some of the
35:24
Speaker 1: people you spoke to at Norfolk.
35:27
Speaker 14: We've all seen the photographs along with Mandelson and all
35:30
Speaker 14: of them.
35:31
Speaker 8: No, they're not very.
35:32
Speaker 1: Nice people and we shouldn't.
35:33
Speaker 14: They should be extradited to America where he should face
35:36
Speaker 14: proper accusations.
35:38
Speaker 1: Think he should have been spank It's about time he
35:42
Speaker 1: got his come up, and it's really no.
35:44
Speaker 2: We don't know, we don't want him here, but we
35:47
Speaker 2: still want justice to be done.
35:51
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think those people are talking a lot of sense, Sophie.
35:54
Speaker 1: But so far has the anger and resentment to focus
35:58
Speaker 1: only on Andrew or has it spread broader to the
36:02
Speaker 1: rest of the royal family.
36:05
Speaker 12: Well, it's really mainly on Andrew.
36:08
Speaker 15: Mount Baton winsor Chris, because he's the one who hasn't
36:11
Speaker 15: said anything about this, and he's the one that remains
36:15
Speaker 15: under the police investigation, and it's.
36:17
Speaker 12: Waiting to be see to see whether.
36:20
Speaker 15: This goes further down the track and will he be
36:23
Speaker 15: charged with any offenses.
36:25
Speaker 12: Now I must stress he has always.
36:27
Speaker 15: Denied any wrongdoing in terms of his friendship with Jeffrey Epstein.
36:32
Speaker 15: But Chris, this is not looking good and just in
36:34
Speaker 15: reports today in the London Sun, the word is that
36:38
Speaker 15: he's telling his few staff he's only got a couple
36:41
Speaker 15: now to address him as Serve still and sitting there
36:45
Speaker 15: with his six or seven dogs. It's pretty lonely out
36:49
Speaker 15: there at wood Farm, Chris. I mean we were out
36:51
Speaker 15: the front of it for days. There's not an awful
36:54
Speaker 15: lot to do there. He's literally in the middle of
36:56
Speaker 15: a rural estate, not much around.
36:59
Speaker 1: Now, in line for succession, so in many ways it's academic,
37:04
Speaker 1: but I still think a lot of people will want
37:06
Speaker 1: to see him taken out of the line of succession.
37:08
Speaker 1: That would require action by the British Parliament and the
37:12
Speaker 1: Commonwealth parliaments like Australias, wouldn't it.
37:15
Speaker 15: Well, there is a lot of talk about this here
37:17
Speaker 15: in Britain. Chris that Keirs Starmer needs to act to
37:21
Speaker 15: pass through an active parliament to do this, but other
37:24
Speaker 15: commentators are saying, look, this is a complete distruction away
37:27
Speaker 15: from the main issue here of the police investigation.
37:31
Speaker 12: He won't become king. He's eighth in line to the throne.
37:34
Speaker 15: It's very unlikely that he will and this is just
37:37
Speaker 15: a distraction to the issue. But let's see where this
37:40
Speaker 15: police investigation goes, Chris, because no doubt it's an awful
37:44
Speaker 15: time as he sits there pretty much on his own
37:47
Speaker 15: with his dogs and his security guards were seen on
37:50
Speaker 15: the weekend at the local supermarket stocking up on beer
37:53
Speaker 15: and the wait tro supermarket truck was arriving at his farm.
37:59
Speaker 12: With lots of so he's sitting there pretty lonely.
38:02
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's important for the credibility of the
38:05
Speaker 1: monarchy though that perhaps look at this line of succession thing,
38:08
Speaker 1: because it places him in that powerful position. That's possibly
38:14
Speaker 1: powerful position. I joked on the weekend if Prince Charles
38:18
Speaker 1: drowned at Bondai when he visited here before he was
38:21
Speaker 1: married and had children, Prince Andrew would be a king.
38:24
Speaker 1: Now you know, so it's perhaps a good idea to
38:28
Speaker 1: go through that process to knock him off the line
38:30
Speaker 1: of succession. We'll see. But elsewhere people are trying to
38:32
Speaker 1: get rid of his name on some landmarks.
38:37
Speaker 12: They are indeed, Chris.
38:38
Speaker 1: Look.
38:38
Speaker 15: I went down to a street in Jerseyham, which is
38:41
Speaker 15: just a couple of miles from where he's residing, and
38:44
Speaker 15: I asked locals because one of the streets there is
38:47
Speaker 15: called Prince Andrew Drive, and.
38:49
Speaker 12: I spoke to them and asked them should they.
38:51
Speaker 15: Change the name and Chris, Surprise, surprise, there were some
38:55
Speaker 15: who said yes, get rid of it, but others who
38:58
Speaker 15: said keep it, dear.
39:00
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. I just want to finish off
39:02
Speaker 1: with a bit of a laugh. I mentioned that photo,
39:04
Speaker 1: that now famous photo that's been displayed in the louver
39:07
Speaker 1: by activists. Look at what some people did with the
39:11
Speaker 1: help of AI, I think a little social media meme.
39:14
Speaker 1: Have a look and.
39:16
Speaker 16: The horror, Sophie, the horror not the King's portrait at all,
39:32
Speaker 16: but that horrible.
39:33
Speaker 1: Photo of his now infamous brother. Thanks so much for
39:36
Speaker 1: joining us, Sophie, really appreciate it.
39:38
Speaker 6: Sop.
39:39
Speaker 1: Your was worth all over it in the UK for
39:41
Speaker 1: us as usual, we got to get to a break
39:43
Speaker 1: on the other side of that, Gemma and Caroline will
39:45
Speaker 1: join me. We'll talk about Donald Trump's tariff battle, also
39:48
Speaker 1: the idiocy of an animal rights activist on Bondo Beach.
39:57
Speaker 1: That's sort of all out with the panel. Gematon unis
39:59
Speaker 1: on the from gt Communications and in Perth, Caroline de
40:04
Speaker 1: Russo joins us. So I'm key to get both of
40:06
Speaker 1: your thoughts on the debate about the Islamic state families
40:10
Speaker 1: as I call them, and whether the coalition's idea of
40:15
Speaker 1: actually blocking them Gemma is plausible. And now going further
40:19
Speaker 1: with these proposed new laws that would make it illegal
40:21
Speaker 1: for any Australians to try and assist in this kind
40:23
Speaker 1: of process.
40:25
Speaker 17: I think it's a really important step in the right direction.
40:27
Speaker 17: Australian citizen citizenship has to mean something and Australian citizenship
40:32
Speaker 17: has to be valuable and you don't accidentally go to
40:36
Speaker 17: Syria and join a death cult. Isis is a death cult.
40:39
Speaker 17: We need to remember that ISIS is the organization that
40:42
Speaker 17: decapitated journalists, that decapitated people who refuse to join Islam.
40:48
Speaker 17: They are an ext They are the depiction of extremism
40:53
Speaker 17: on the planet. We can't just say, oh, ISIS brides
40:57
Speaker 17: and it sort of not sanitizes it, but it doesn't
41:00
Speaker 17: talk about the fullness of the evil that is embodied
41:03
Speaker 17: in this terrorist organization. You don't accidentally go across the world,
41:08
Speaker 17: well to another country and join an organization like this.
41:10
Speaker 17: So Australia in my view, has to have whether it's
41:13
Speaker 17: the fullness of the coalition's proposition or something like that,
41:17
Speaker 17: we have to have a line in the sand that
41:19
Speaker 17: says if you do that, you forfeit your right to
41:22
Speaker 17: be an Australian citizen.
41:23
Speaker 12: Otherwise, what is the point?
41:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now there are children involved, some of them are
41:29
Speaker 1: teenagers and Caroline. The reports we have seen over recent
41:32
Speaker 1: years out of these camps in Syria that hold all
41:35
Speaker 1: hundreds of ISIS families is that some of the young
41:39
Speaker 1: people are still radicalized, are still angry, are still threatening
41:43
Speaker 1: the West. So how can the government be sure that
41:48
Speaker 1: they are not creating an enormous security risk here for
41:50
Speaker 1: the country.
41:53
Speaker 9: Well, because these kids won't be going to school with
41:55
Speaker 9: their kids, Chris, Because trust me, if these kids were
41:58
Speaker 9: going to school with their kids, I'm pretty sure that
42:01
Speaker 9: the reaction would be vastly different. You know, it is
42:05
Speaker 9: a worry and the fact of the matter is my
42:08
Speaker 9: understanding is, and I don't know if it's this particular cohort,
42:11
Speaker 9: but some kids were taken over, some kids were born
42:13
Speaker 9: over there. In any event, all of these kids are
42:16
Speaker 9: going to have some sort of trauma from an experience
42:20
Speaker 9: like this and they have no understanding whatsoever of what
42:24
Speaker 9: functional civil society looks like. So it's a huge question
42:28
Speaker 9: about their ability to adjust. And the other thing is
42:32
Speaker 9: in relation to these you know people and family members
42:34
Speaker 9: who are trying to bring them back, who's going to
42:36
Speaker 9: be paying for all of this? Because of those people
42:39
Speaker 9: who want to bring them back happy to be sent
42:41
Speaker 9: the invoice.
42:43
Speaker 17: And I'm happy to run the deradicalization program and are
42:46
Speaker 17: they happy to be held to account for their behavior?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, de radicalization programs, which around the world we've seen
42:52
Speaker 1: have failed. And the cost, I think Caroline is a
42:55
Speaker 1: big issue. And knows who's paying for this Jemma. Tomorrow,
42:59
Speaker 1: the raw commission into the Bondai massacre and anti Semitism
43:03
Speaker 1: in this country begins. When you see this debate still
43:07
Speaker 1: playing out the way it is, it seems we still
43:08
Speaker 1: haven't learned the lessons well.
43:10
Speaker 17: Of course we haven't learned the lessons. It's funny, I
43:12
Speaker 17: was saying to one of my colleagues today, it's not
43:15
Speaker 17: three months since that. And I know even friends of
43:19
Speaker 17: mine whose families and community Jewish friends of mine who
43:22
Speaker 17: were deeply affected and directly related to this. You know,
43:25
Speaker 17: they say you have to move on, you can't live
43:27
Speaker 17: in a.
43:27
Speaker 12: Place of grief.
43:28
Speaker 17: But also how foolish are we going to be as
43:31
Speaker 17: a nation?
43:32
Speaker 1: It troubles me greatly that there.
43:34
Speaker 17: Is a cohort of people who think this was a
43:37
Speaker 17: one off and not part of a global pattern or
43:40
Speaker 17: anything like that. And why should Australia think that it's
43:43
Speaker 17: not going to be affected by things that are happening
43:46
Speaker 17: around the world but very dedicated you know, network of
43:51
Speaker 17: terror organizations. If all you have to do is read
43:54
Speaker 17: the AZIO reports that are apolitical and that are fully
43:59
Speaker 17: and freely available on the AZIO website, it's not my opinion.
44:05
Speaker 1: Sixty Minutes had a big program on the Bondo Masacare
44:08
Speaker 1: last night. They spoke with Meed al Ahmed. Have a
44:11
Speaker 1: look at what he had to say.
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Speaker 13: He's a reduction. When I hit him in his head
44:18
Speaker 13: heavy and I was screaming and swearing, swearing something aussy
44:26
Speaker 13: where you know what I.
44:28
Speaker 4: Mean, what did you say to him?
44:30
Speaker 13: Seeing mother, stop what you're doing and mothers?
44:35
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I don't forget here. On Sky tomorrow night,
44:40
Speaker 1: Sharry Markson's documentary on this, which will break new storage
44:44
Speaker 1: and give you an incredible insight into what went on.
44:47
Speaker 1: But my question for you, Caroline is this issue of
44:50
Speaker 1: Islamist extremism. Some people just want to move on from
44:54
Speaker 1: our worst ever terrorism incident. I think it's behind us.
45:00
Speaker 1: Extremism is the problem and unless we see more action
45:03
Speaker 1: to stamp it out rather than just taking risks bringing
45:07
Speaker 1: people from terrors badlands into the country, we're going to
45:10
Speaker 1: condemn ourselves to more problems.
45:13
Speaker 9: We are And just before I answer your question, top
45:15
Speaker 9: marks are to Ahmad al Ahmed for picking up the
45:19
Speaker 9: colorful language of Australia as a total representation of Australian values.
45:23
Speaker 9: So absolute top marks there. But that's exactly the point.
45:27
Speaker 9: And we know even in the aftermath of this, the
45:30
Speaker 9: government kept trying to distract from talking about radicalism by
45:35
Speaker 9: talking about you know, neo Nazis and the NSN and
45:38
Speaker 9: that sort of thing. And then this week there's a
45:40
Speaker 9: report where Azio said, yeah, his book to Rea do
45:44
Speaker 9: need to be a prescribed terrorist organization or under the
45:50
Speaker 9: new laws. But they haven't made the same recommend recommendation
45:53
Speaker 9: for the NSN.
45:55
Speaker 12: So again the tide has gone out.
45:56
Speaker 9: The government looked like absolute turkeys because it's trying to
46:00
Speaker 9: distract from the real issue. And unless we have a
46:02
Speaker 9: conversation about the real issue and the people attached to
46:06
Speaker 9: the real issue, it is absolutely.
46:09
Speaker 12: Naive to think that Bondai was a one off.
46:12
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, some of us have been calling for the
46:15
Speaker 1: prescribing of his book to read for five, six, seven years,
46:20
Speaker 1: and finally it's happening after this. But it's a hell
46:23
Speaker 1: of a worry. We were going to talk about Trump
46:25
Speaker 1: and his tariffs, but this debate's going to go on forever,
46:27
Speaker 1: and we'll get back to it another time because I
46:30
Speaker 1: don't want anybody to miss out on this. Have a
46:32
Speaker 1: look at this animal rights activists going down to Bonday
46:36
Speaker 1: Beach over the weekend, and she's just decided that she
46:41
Speaker 1: can rip up somebody's fishing, right if we just have
46:45
Speaker 1: a look at this, she just goes over. He look,
46:48
Speaker 1: someone's fishing. She goes over grabs the rod and decides
46:52
Speaker 1: that they should not be allowed to fish gym and
46:54
Speaker 1: she thinks they're fish murderers.
46:57
Speaker 17: Well, I think I'm a supermodel, but I'm not think
47:00
Speaker 17: can it's something. It doesn't mean it's true. This isn't
47:02
Speaker 17: the George Costanza you know world of life, where it's
47:05
Speaker 17: not a life you think it's the truth. I mean,
47:07
Speaker 17: these activists, the one thread, the golden thread that links
47:11
Speaker 17: them together is their absolutism and their absolute belief in
47:15
Speaker 17: their own right, your right to do crap like that.
47:20
Speaker 17: I mean, she's she's just.
47:21
Speaker 12: Out of her mind.
47:22
Speaker 17: And I think if you want to look at how
47:23
Speaker 17: much of fish has.
47:25
Speaker 10: A sentients natty, And she's selfish and she's interrupting other
47:31
Speaker 10: people's activity to listen to what she's got to say.
47:47
Speaker 1: Fishing is murdering, apparently, Carol. I don't know where they
47:50
Speaker 1: grow her vegetables that she eats, but on tipping they
47:53
Speaker 1: kill a few roofs and bunnies and cockroaches to get
47:56
Speaker 1: her veggies under her table.
47:59
Speaker 9: Oh god, if there was, if there was on each
48:02
Speaker 9: you know, package of vegetables, how many animals were annihilate
48:05
Speaker 9: annihilated to keep them alive. That would be I think
48:09
Speaker 9: that would be a certainly a mugging by reality. But
48:13
Speaker 9: quite frankly, Chris, you know, we look at this. She's
48:16
Speaker 9: a vegan, and I know that there's been lots of conversations,
48:19
Speaker 9: you know, in the past and to date about the
48:21
Speaker 9: pros and cons of a vegan diet. But evidently the
48:25
Speaker 9: brain isn't getting all the nutrients it needs. Chris and
48:28
Speaker 9: I would recommend the aminos from red meat.
48:33
Speaker 12: Can prop give a girl good state.
48:36
Speaker 1: To help with the intelligence. Thanks so much for joining us,
48:39
Speaker 1: Caroline and Jimma. We'll catch up with you next week.
48:41
Speaker 1: That's all the time we've got for you. I don't
48:43
Speaker 1: forget that doco tomorrow night with Cherry Markson. Peter Qulin
48:46
Speaker 1: is up next. I'll see you tomorrow at five