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"Ken Cuccinelli on Redistricting" (Tuesday October 28, 2025, Hour 4) · First Thing Today with Joe Thomas

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  Speaker 3: First Thing Today on the Talk Media Network by Joe Thomas,
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  Speaker 2: Joe, thank you for letting me be of service to
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  Speaker 2: you this morning.
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  Speaker 4: I want to be Joe. We have a.
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  Speaker 2: Special presentation of First Thing today and our first things.
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  Speaker 2: It is redistricting Mania in America, Redistricting USA. And I
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  Speaker 2: think I may have put my finger earlier this morning,
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  Speaker 2: perhaps even by accident, on why there's this existential push
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  Speaker 2: by Eric Holder and his minions but none better. He's
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  Speaker 2: the anti Holder. Now that didn't come out sounding good.
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  Speaker 2: I've got to come up with a better way to
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  Speaker 2: juxtapose Ken Coochinelli, former a dhs A director and former
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  Speaker 2: Attorney General of the Commonwealth of Virginia. Now with the
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  Speaker 2: election Transparency Initiative, Yeah, I don't know. Do you like
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  Speaker 2: the phrase anti holder? Or is there. We need to
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  Speaker 2: come up with a better aim for you.
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  Speaker 1: I think I think something something a little different. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: we're like, no association.
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  Speaker 2: Really, that's it. But you know when Eric Holder sends
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  Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty thousand dollars to Virginia's Democrats and
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  Speaker 2: then the next morning the Speaker of the House is
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  Speaker 2: calling for a special session to try to blow up
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  Speaker 2: the process by which constitutional amendments are being passed just
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  Speaker 2: so they can undo a constitutional amendment they campaigned almost
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  Speaker 2: ten years to get it. Kind of tells you what
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  Speaker 2: their agenda is, doesn't it.
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  Speaker 1: Ken, Yeah, I don't think there's really any question about this.
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  Speaker 1: A drunk four year old should tell you what their
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  Speaker 1: agenda is on this one, and it's it's pretty brazen.
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  Speaker 1: It is classic undisciplined leftism. But look, we can talk
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  Speaker 1: about the process all day long. The people of Virginia
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  Speaker 1: supported this change to the Constitution by a two to
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  Speaker 1: one margin. I worked on this. Frankly, I proposed a
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  Speaker 1: redistricting bill when I was in the majority in the
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  Speaker 1: state Senate, and the then minority leader success Law when
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  Speaker 1: I went to him for support, laughed out loud. He said,
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  Speaker 1: h really, the victor go the spoils. Yeah. I was like, really, Dick,
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  Speaker 1: I thought we were supposed to be governing here and
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  Speaker 1: that that was like two thousand and six or seven,
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  Speaker 1: And you know, fifteen years later, working with a bipartisan group,
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  Speaker 1: we've got some guardrails on redistricting and a lot of
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  Speaker 1: the people who voted for that in the House and
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  Speaker 1: Senate are still there, and now they're going to vote
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  Speaker 1: the other way and they have to get every single
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  Speaker 1: Democrat vote to pass whatever it is they end up proposing.
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  Speaker 2: We don't even know that apparently.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that they'll be able to do that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know they'll be able to do that.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Eric Holder sent the money, but he didn't
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  Speaker 2: send the template legislation apparently. But this is nationwide. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: we're watching Prop fifty in California and they're moved there
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  Speaker 2: towards just redrawing for whatever wants. And I don't think
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  Speaker 2: there's been a time when a population has been so
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  Speaker 2: desperate to marginalize another one since the nineteen twenty nine
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  Speaker 2: Permanent Reapportionment Act. Can and how many radio shows bring
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  Speaker 2: up that in the morning, huh.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, zero. This would be the first appearance.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I talk about it all the time. I'm always
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  Speaker 2: going on about this and how all the folks who
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  Speaker 2: were hanging out with Woodrow Wilson watching Birth of a
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  Speaker 2: Nation were trying to marginalize the growing black communities by
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  Speaker 2: permanently capping the size of the House of Representatives.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, which was itself wildly controversial at the beginning of
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  Speaker 1: this country. Which is pretty funny actually, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: George Mason didn't think it was very funny.
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  Speaker 2: No, I mean, you know, And there's another arcane bit
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  Speaker 2: of legislation that I bring up all the time is
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  Speaker 2: their actual proposed First Amendment and which actually laid out
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  Speaker 2: what apportionment would be. And I think that kind of
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  Speaker 2: indicates to me what they thought the most important thing
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  Speaker 2: in American or at least defending Americans' rights would be
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  Speaker 2: was to keep small congressional districts so that the representatives
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  Speaker 2: actually had a chance to know the people that they
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  Speaker 2: were representing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's a big part of, of course, why
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  Speaker 1: it was so controversial, not to mention, the history in
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  Speaker 1: the colonial period had been with also very small population
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  Speaker 1: chunks for representation. And you know, then throw in the
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  Speaker 1: six year Senate which made some people, especially the Northeast,
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  Speaker 1: aghast because their usual term of office was six months.
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  Speaker 2: Oh oh the days, Oh the days. And it's Election
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  Speaker 2: Transparency Dot or where you find Ken and the work
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  Speaker 2: he's doing. What fleshes out of this mania right now?
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  Speaker 2: Because you have the Republican states Texas and Missouri and
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  Speaker 2: the Elk and then you've got Pritzker and the guys
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  Speaker 2: in Illinois and California and now this in Virginia. Where
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  Speaker 2: does this flesh out or does it wind up being
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  Speaker 2: a zero sum game?
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's a zero sum game if this all happens
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  Speaker 1: at the twenty twenty twenty twenty one time period. The
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  Speaker 1: Dems are really at a very advantage at this point.
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  Speaker 1: And this began with a Fifth Circuit ruling last year
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  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four that you can't combine black and
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  Speaker 1: Hispanic Americans to come up with composite majority minority majority district.
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  Speaker 3: From the home of the First Amendment, First thing today.
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  Speaker 2: Visiting with Ken Kochinelli this morning an election transparency initiative
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  Speaker 2: Election Transparency dot org. Keno's just asking about this. There
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  Speaker 2: are provisions in all election law regarding how long and
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  Speaker 2: public notification of things and rules designed to make sure
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  Speaker 2: that the voter is an informed consumer, especially about things
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  Speaker 2: like constitutional amendments that all seem to be violated in
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  Speaker 2: these attempts, especially in Virginia where they have ninety day laws,
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  Speaker 2: and gash oh Man, if they're going to count this
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  Speaker 2: election as you know, the intervening one, it's already been
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  Speaker 2: taking place for forty days before we even knew there
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  Speaker 2: was going to be a constitutional amendment. You know, how
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  Speaker 2: can they get around those provisions or are they just
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  Speaker 2: going to ignore them like they ignore the shoplifting laws
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  Speaker 2: in some of these progressive cities.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the ninety day law you're referring to has no
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  Speaker 1: consequence with it, and so that makes it nice and
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  Speaker 1: easy to not obey. And the lawsuits over this won't
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  Speaker 1: really be ripe until they pass it a second time
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  Speaker 1: in January or February, and then the lawsuits over the
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  Speaker 1: kind of question you're talking about will begin. I would
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  Speaker 1: note that the Virginia Constitution is phrased to be focused
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  Speaker 1: more on the subsequent election than on what passes for
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  Speaker 1: an intervening election. So I don't know that any of
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  Speaker 1: those things are going to get in a way may
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  Speaker 1: go all the way to the ballot. My greatest confidence
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  Speaker 1: one is that even if Republicans don't pick up a
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  Speaker 1: seat in the House or more than one, I say
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  Speaker 1: one because it's fifty one forty nine and they only
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  Speaker 1: need one. Is that the people of Virginia are going
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  Speaker 1: to reject us. This is not an old constitutional amendment
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  Speaker 1: that they're trying to amend. And it passed two to one,
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  Speaker 1: almost exactly two to one, which means it was bipartisans
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  Speaker 1: and I just don't see I don't see Virginians flocking
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  Speaker 1: to the polls to undo that. In fact, look, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people listening to you and me Joe probably
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  Speaker 1: asked the question or gee, why do you run so
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  Speaker 1: many negative ads to some candidate or another. And there's
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  Speaker 1: actually reason for that because they're five to six times
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  Speaker 1: as sticky, which is a marketing way to say they're
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  Speaker 1: more effective. And yeah, well, and there's two ways to
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  Speaker 1: motivate positive and negative, hope and fear, and you see
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  Speaker 1: more negative ads because fear works better. Negative works better.
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  Speaker 1: So when this is running, it's not like it's going
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  Speaker 1: to fly under the radar. Even if they put this
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  Speaker 1: in March or April or some squirrely place on the calendar,
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  Speaker 1: run their own election and spend lots of taxpayer money
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  Speaker 1: to do it, which, by the way, I think that
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  Speaker 1: would require the governor's support. So you can ask Winsome
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  Speaker 1: and Abigail whether they would sign such a bill because
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  Speaker 1: it will take not only a resolution on the part
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  Speaker 1: of the General Assembly, it'll take the passage of a
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  Speaker 1: lot to do it. But at that point, the angry people,
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  Speaker 1: the ones angry that you're screwing around with a system
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  Speaker 1: like this, are going to be motivated to come out
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  Speaker 1: and they're going to vote no. I know, yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: feel to ignore it, but at the same time, I
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  Speaker 1: think that even if they get over the legal hurdles,
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  Speaker 1: they're going to get stomped like a bug by the
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  Speaker 1: people of Virginia.
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  Speaker 2: I really disquieted in this. I'm having such a weird
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  Speaker 2: feeling ken because usually I'm the Pollyanna in a conversation,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm just I'm not comfortable in the role of
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  Speaker 2: being the nattering nabob of negativism. So you know, you've
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  Speaker 2: really put me on.
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  Speaker 1: I became attorney general. I wasn't comfortable being the man.
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  Speaker 1: I was used to fighting the man.
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  Speaker 2: So there's president okay, good, But you know the question
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  Speaker 2: I have is you talked about money, you know, so
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  Speaker 2: we've seen just the smattering of how much money Eric
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  Speaker 2: Holder and George Soros and Tom Steyer and these folks
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  Speaker 2: can Marshall, I think there was something along the lines
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  Speaker 2: of ten million dollars contributed just from one of the
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  Speaker 2: Sorows back groups in Prop fifty. And the hundreds of
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  Speaker 2: millions of dollars that have been poured into this. If
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  Speaker 2: you add the lobby into this special election that'll have
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  Speaker 2: to come in the spring, you're talking about maybe a
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  Speaker 2: factor of ten to one. Add money coming from the
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  Speaker 2: left saying oh, a woman's right to choose when it's
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  Speaker 2: you know, you know, something as horrific as something doctor
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  Speaker 2: Mengelo would come up with. Oh, and it's your right
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  Speaker 2: to vote, and it's fight Trump and all of these things.
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  Speaker 2: I worry about the narrative that springtime in Virginia is
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  Speaker 2: going to bring with this special election that'll have to happen.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well I do too. I think that whenever if
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  Speaker 1: they ever get to the point of holding these elections
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  Speaker 1: before twenty twenty eight, there's most of him right, that's correct.
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  Speaker 1: That's my is if they defeat all of the legal
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  Speaker 1: challenge that ninety day. Notice that you reference that statute
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  Speaker 1: from title thirty. If they accelerate and change the process
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  Speaker 1: to all this kind of thing, and if they win
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  Speaker 1: on counting this as an intervening election, and listeners shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: assume they're going to lose on that. They may win
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  Speaker 1: on that. It's a bit novel because we didn't used
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  Speaker 1: to have what amounted to forty five day elections. The
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  Speaker 1: courts have not counted absentee voting before as part of
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  Speaker 1: the election. Now this is an absentee voting. We don't
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  Speaker 1: have an election day, We have election month and a half,
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  Speaker 1: and none of the cases that address this subject have
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  Speaker 1: dealt with that particular aspect.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and my worry is they're going to say
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  Speaker 2: that because we don't tabulate those absentee ballots until election night,
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  Speaker 2: that it doesn't count. I guess it's not really an election.
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  Speaker 2: It's an imaginary election. Can It's It's amazing And this
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  Speaker 2: is why it hasn't published yet, And a mutual friend
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  Speaker 2: of ours has got some edits for me to deal
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  Speaker 2: with before it publishes at Daily Signal dot org. But
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  Speaker 2: the column I just penned about this brings up what
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  Speaker 2: you said at the end of the last segment, which is,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Virginians are going to go to the polls
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  Speaker 2: by November fourth and vote for a new General Assembly.
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  Speaker 2: If there's a Republican majority, this all becomes academic.
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  Speaker 1: Correct, correct, that's right. Well, it doesn't even need a majority.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I said all that. If they pick up
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  Speaker 1: one scene and it's fifty to fifty in the House,
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  Speaker 1: well then none of this gets through.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just toldy is a loss.
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  Speaker 1: In the General Assembly. Yeah, right, so, yes, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of this rides on who gets elected.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's going to be so important. I was told
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  Speaker 2: if I a member of the General Assembly that there
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  Speaker 1: you know. And California, despite their redistricting commission, it's very
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  Speaker 1: had nothing to do with it. And now it's rolled
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  Speaker 2: constitutional amendment of the vote for They're going to try
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  Speaker 2: process that bothers me on a on an even deeper level, Candy,
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  Speaker 2: does it bother you?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? It most it most certainly does.
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  Speaker 13: This is.
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  Speaker 1: Well, not Virginia per se, but you've got these redistricting
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  Speaker 1: It's been weird how hard that's been to do. But
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  Speaker 1: fight with their own Democrat governor maybe thirty or forty
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  Speaker 1: years ago, gave the legislature sole control of redistricting. The
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  Speaker 1: Better not?
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  Speaker 5: There's things out there to stand.
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  Speaker 5: He's just claiming it's a man walks.
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  Speaker 2: Down a creep in a mask, right scoom four three
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  Speaker 2: to circle back to this other story that you're going
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  Speaker 2: to get inundated with because it's a whistleblower. I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: on it. It's not him per se, but a whistleblower.
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  Speaker 2: I can tell by reading the lines. Read it, and
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  Speaker 2: this internal battle between Christy Nome and Tom Homan is
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  Speaker 2: blowing up on Fox News in order to make you
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  Speaker 2: think that the president is again a vapid school child
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  Speaker 2: who all he wants to do is say, look at
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  Speaker 2: And does he like saying isn't this the greatest ever? Absolutely?
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  Speaker 2: But the narrative from I would say they've been doing
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  Speaker 2: and said, I'm going to run for president. Pretty much
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  Speaker 2: from that moment, he's been lampooned and marginalized as being
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  Speaker 2: a petulant child who's only interested in imagery over substance.
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  Speaker 2: After you know, four years and ten almost ten months
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  Speaker 2: of presidency, I beg to differ or ask you to
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  Speaker 2: show me where, but I'm also busy waiting for your
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  Speaker 2: answer to show me where he's taken away your freedoms.
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  Speaker 2: I know you're talking about rounding up brown people from
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  Speaker 2: your neighborhood and putting them in quote concentration camps, not
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  Speaker 2: bothering to tell the TV cameras that these were non
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  Speaker 2: citizens who were here illegally.
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  Speaker 1: But the.
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  Speaker 2: You know why let a good pile of truth get
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  Speaker 2: in the way of a fun story. But the story
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  Speaker 2: is about how Eric Eric Holder Tom Homan is not
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  Speaker 2: arresting enough ICE or not making enough ICE arrests, not
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  Speaker 2: deporting enough people for Christineoman, Corey Lewandowski, and they want
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  Speaker 2: bigger numbers. And they're saying, this is the story on
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  Speaker 2: Fox News, that Tom Homan is too strict on what
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  Speaker 2: his ice officers are going out to look for that
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  Speaker 2: they just want, you know, more mass roundups so that
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  Speaker 2: they can show bigger numbers of people, supposedly to the president,
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  Speaker 2: who's this petulant boy king who you know will fire
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  Speaker 2: somebody if you haven't reached your quota. Closers get coffee.
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  Speaker 2: That's how I know it was a whistleblower because these
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  Speaker 2: swamp creatures, that's what they think. So is there some
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  Speaker 2: truthiness in it? I would argue that there probably had
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  Speaker 2: been some moment where Christine Omer or Corey Lewandowski said
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  Speaker 2: to Tom Homan, hey, can you start rounding up more
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  Speaker 2: people because it's slowing down. It is why because a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people have left, and a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: have already been caught. So the easy ones have been picked,
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  Speaker 2: and now it's becoming harder to find the ones who
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  Speaker 2: are intentionally trying to avoid Plus, on top of it,
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  Speaker 2: you have the Democrats software that they're promoting, this software
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  Speaker 2: about was it ice Tracker, so that they can track
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  Speaker 2: ICE locations, let people know where ICE is. It's crazy,
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  Speaker 2: but that's what's going on. So it's harder for ICE
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  Speaker 2: to go and find these folks because the Democratic Party
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  Speaker 2: in each one of these states is telling them Ice
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  Speaker 2: is coming. Move. So what the story the whistleblower is
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  Speaker 2: telling Fox News at what Gnome and Lewandowski want is
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  Speaker 2: they just round up everybody. If you can't prove it,
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  Speaker 2: we're arresting you. We'll sort it out later so that
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  Speaker 2: we can say, look at this mass number of folks
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  Speaker 2: that we have in here. Again feeding to the narrative
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  Speaker 2: of this petulant king who just insists like he's the
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  Speaker 2: Queen of hearts off his head sitting there in a
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  Speaker 2: throne room at the other end of his ballroom, that
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  Speaker 2: you and I want some credit. By the way, this
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  Speaker 2: whole ballroom thing. Please, can we stop with the East
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  Speaker 2: wing of the White House? Can we just put this away?
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  Speaker 2: Or I'm going to go get the recording of Lyndon
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  Speaker 2: Johnson talking about his pants sizes and how he needs
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  Speaker 2: a little room and because I mean, if that's all
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  Speaker 2: you're going to talk about is ballrooms, then I've got
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  Speaker 2: ballroom stories for you. But that's what they are pushing,
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  Speaker 2: this idea that and it's the narrative that they can't
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  Speaker 2: have let go. I mean, it's been eight years and
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  Speaker 2: they're still working this. Trump is a petulant dictator who
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  Speaker 2: just wants to hear big numbers so we can go
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  Speaker 2: on social media and say biggest day of deportations ever.
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  Speaker 2: And it's never just like Trump never said Nazis were
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  Speaker 2: great people when we had Nazis here in Charlottesville. Just
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  Speaker 2: didn't do it doesn't stop them from saying it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: stop you know, and the chain is, you know, David
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  Speaker 2: people on both sides of an issue and that included Nazis.
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  Speaker 2: That allows Rachel Maddow to say Donald Trump said not
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  Speaker 2: what this is all about. This story. Soon as I
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  Speaker 2: self appointed do good or getting his whistle blowing. Where
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  Speaker 2: But you know, and that's what they're looking for. They're
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  Speaker 2: looking for a story that makes Trump yet again look
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