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  Speaker 1: Hey, Ryan Divish is here and you can follow him
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  Speaker 1: hat Ryan Divish and he writes for the Seattle Times.
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  Speaker 1: And it is tough times in Seattle right now. So Ryan,
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  Speaker 1: good to see you. I'm glad to see you outside
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  Speaker 1: touching grass. But tell me how Mariners fans are doing
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  Speaker 1: right now and how the city of Seattle is handling
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  Speaker 1: what just happened.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's not quite like it was after the
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  Speaker 2: game where it was Lord of the Flies and you know,
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  Speaker 2: people were freaking out. It's I think they're starting to
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  Speaker 2: kind of accept the idea what had happened, the outcome.
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  Speaker 2: I think the problem is is a lot of people,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of the fans are digging into some of
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  Speaker 2: the numbers, are going back through and reading some of
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  Speaker 2: the coverage and hearing what people said and everything else.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's what is still incensing. A lot
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  Speaker 2: of fans is kind of going back and looking at it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you have the time to react. I always
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  Speaker 2: say that people on Twitter, it's like they shoot first
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  Speaker 2: and aim later, and they react first and then they
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  Speaker 2: think about it later. But I don't know that going
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  Speaker 2: back and rereading or rethinking or even kind of looking
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  Speaker 2: at all the details that went into that crazy seventh
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  Speaker 2: inning is gonna make them feel any better.
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  Speaker 3: Well, let's do. Let's let's dig right in. Since you
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  Speaker 3: know you're in Montana. You got out of town before
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  Speaker 3: you know, things got nasty there in Seattle. But would
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  Speaker 3: you have brought in Andres Munhoz. I know that Bizardo
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  Speaker 3: had a high strand rate of runners, and people are
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  Speaker 3: throwing that at me on Twitter, saying like, well, look
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  Speaker 3: at his strand rate.
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  Speaker 4: It's top ten in baseball.
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  Speaker 3: True, but at the same time, it wasn't the series
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  Speaker 3: on the line, the season on the line, and you
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  Speaker 3: have one of the best closers in baseball that hadn't
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  Speaker 3: pitched at all in this series.
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  Speaker 5: Really.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't gotten back to God's Country yet, Agent,
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  Speaker 2: I'm still in a I'm in Washington. It's just as
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  Speaker 2: beautiful here as Montana, just a little different.
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  Speaker 4: No, So here's my thinking on this.
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  Speaker 2: And you know the other guys that we were with,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Adam Jude and Tim Booth, my other guys
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  Speaker 2: that cover. When they brought in Bizarto, I was kind
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  Speaker 2: of stunned. I wasn't watching the bullpen. I knew they
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  Speaker 2: were gonna go there and to me, the Mariner's pitching philosophy.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of times Pete Woodworth always says it is like,
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  Speaker 2: if you're gonna get beat by a hit or get
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  Speaker 2: beat by your best pitch, Well, if you're gonna get
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  Speaker 2: beat in a leverage situation, don't you want your best
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  Speaker 2: leverage reliever? And to me, everything about that situation he
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  Speaker 2: needed a strikeout. Who is better at getting a strikeout
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  Speaker 2: on the Mariner's bullpen than Andris Munno's. I mean, like,
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  Speaker 2: this is a guy that didn't allow a hit during
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  Speaker 2: the postseason, hadn't allowed a run. You're looking for a
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  Speaker 2: swing and miss. George Springer hadn't seen him since July
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  Speaker 2: of twenty twenty four. He'd seen Edward Bizardo three times
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  Speaker 2: already in the series, including the day before when Bizarro
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  Speaker 2: oddly pitched two innings in a game they were down
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  Speaker 2: four runs. So I just thought, like, to me, if
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  Speaker 2: you're going to go in that situation and you have
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  Speaker 2: the leverage point in that situation, you go with your
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  Speaker 2: best guy.
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  Speaker 4: You can figure out the ninth.
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  Speaker 2: I think they plan for Munos to go to innings
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  Speaker 2: in that game, but you know you have you can't
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  Speaker 2: save him for a lead in a ninth inning, you
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  Speaker 2: don't have You can't allow yourself.
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  Speaker 4: You you got up, you had a lead.
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  Speaker 2: Everything's like trending towards you clinching, and you have to
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  Speaker 2: go with your best in the most difficult situation.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, can we also can we also put something else
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  Speaker 3: to bed? You weren't walking George Springer right there to
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  Speaker 3: get to Lucas. Okay, let's let's all the Mariner fans
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  Speaker 3: are like, oh, they should have walked him. No, because
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  Speaker 3: then you're bringing Vlad into play, right, Well, who's there
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  Speaker 3: do they old series are trying to avoid in these situations? Goes? Okay,
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  Speaker 3: let's say Lucas goes up there and punches out on
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  Speaker 3: three pitches. Well, then Vlad comes up with the basis
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  Speaker 3: load and you got to get him out with Bizarreto,
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  Speaker 3: a guy he's seen a bunch of times too. So
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  Speaker 3: let's also can we please div can you please put
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  Speaker 3: that to bed for me, that they should not have
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  Speaker 3: walked him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not even a ru You know, that's not
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  Speaker 2: a good idea at any level. You can't assume you're
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  Speaker 2: going to get a double play ball. I mean, you
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  Speaker 2: know when they official score you can't assume that you're
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  Speaker 2: going to get a double play on a play if
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  Speaker 2: they make a mistake. Can't assume that you're going to
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  Speaker 2: get a double play ball.
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  Speaker 4: And so no, you don't.
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  Speaker 2: So like if you do it properly, if let's say
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  Speaker 2: Munos gets the strikeout or gets Kurby, even if he
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  Speaker 2: gives up a run like on a sackfly, then he
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  Speaker 2: strikes out Lucas, then you have Muno's coming back for
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  Speaker 2: the next inning and Vlad's leading off with nobody on base.
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  Speaker 2: And if you get through that without massive damage, all
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  Speaker 2: of a sudden, it's the back end of the Toronto
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  Speaker 2: order in the ninth and Vlad is seven hitters away
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  Speaker 2: from coming to the plate. All you had to do
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  Speaker 2: was find a way to minimize the damage in the seventh,
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  Speaker 2: and then you you have set yourself up because like
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  Speaker 2: I said, if you if you get the first you get,
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  Speaker 2: if you get Springer out and Lucas out, then you
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  Speaker 2: have Lad leading off the eighth, so he's coming to
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  Speaker 2: play with nobody on base. Then you can get creative
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  Speaker 2: if you want to walk in him or do whatever.
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  Speaker 2: But like I just think, to me, the worst possible
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  Speaker 2: scenario in that situation was or George Springer hitting a
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  Speaker 2: home run. Do we really think that if Andris Munoz
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  Speaker 2: comes in, he's giving up the homer.
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  Speaker 4: He might give up a hit.
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  Speaker 2: He gave up some hits in the in the next inning,
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  Speaker 2: but you know that doesn't lose you the game. The
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  Speaker 2: worst possible scenario is Springer hitting a bomb and you
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  Speaker 2: lose the lead. It's not tired or whatever, and then
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  Speaker 2: you have to play differently in the final, in your
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  Speaker 2: final six out. So I just think, you know, to me,
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't that critical. I mean, the one thing I thought,
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  Speaker 2: maybe is if you're looking to trying to you know,
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  Speaker 2: plan out your game. George Kirby was actually throwing better
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  Speaker 2: in the third and the fourth, and he wasn't the first.
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  Speaker 2: In the second, his velocity was ticking up even more.
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  Speaker 2: The movement on his pitches was better than the third
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  Speaker 2: and the fourth. Maybe if you wanted to start him
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  Speaker 2: in the fifth and let him face because I think
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  Speaker 2: it would have been Barger or I can't remember who
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  Speaker 2: it was. It was the bottom of the order coming
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  Speaker 2: to Springer. If you wanted to go that way, you know,
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  Speaker 2: start him in the fifth. But they were so cognizant
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  Speaker 2: about not starting Brian Wu in the middle of an inning,
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  Speaker 2: but even then you have all your leverage levers available.
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  Speaker 2: So if you start Kirby in the fifth, maybe he
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  Speaker 2: gives up a base runner, then you go to Bizardo,
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  Speaker 2: or then you go to Matt Brash and kind of
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  Speaker 2: clean it up, because I also have Bryce Miller still
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  Speaker 2: sitting in the dugout ready to pitch one inning and
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  Speaker 2: throw it as hard as he could, and he was
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  Speaker 2: probably the best pitcher for the Mariners in the entire series.
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  Speaker 4: So I just I thought, like I think they had
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  Speaker 4: it planned out.
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  Speaker 2: I think they're hoping three from Kirby, three or four
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  Speaker 2: from Kirby, two from Wu, two from Munyos and figure
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  Speaker 2: out the other one inning. But I just think that,
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  Speaker 2: like you know, you can't like designate that you want
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  Speaker 2: Munos to pitch the last two innings when there's a
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  Speaker 2: higher leverage situation.
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  Speaker 4: That's just screaming at you.
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  Speaker 2: Put your best guy in here, figure out a way
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  Speaker 2: to get him out.
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  Speaker 5: That's exactly a perfect transfer to me where I can
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  Speaker 5: only relate to it on our twenty sixteen Cleveland run
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  Speaker 5: where we had Andrew Miller at the time and Cody
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  Speaker 5: Allen at the back of the bullpen. We don't go
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  Speaker 5: on our run unless Tito handles that bullpen the way
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  Speaker 5: he did, and where if exact same situation seventh inning
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  Speaker 5: we might have second and third, you need to strike out.
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  Speaker 5: Why wait for the eighth inning for Andrew Miller or
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  Speaker 5: something like that. We just brought him in rate then
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  Speaker 5: get that strikeout, get through to it, and then you
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  Speaker 5: can kind of flip flop or miss or manage your
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  Speaker 5: way from there. But it also happened again another thing
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  Speaker 5: where I think we threw Andrew Miller in like Game
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  Speaker 5: four or five when we shouldn't have our two winnings,
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  Speaker 5: and then brought him back the next day. So stuff was,
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  Speaker 5: he's probably a little tired. Guys had just seen him,
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  Speaker 5: so even another reason to maybe not use him. There
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  Speaker 5: Bizardo there, So it really does it coincides. We don't
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  Speaker 5: get as far as we did without Tito pulling the
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  Speaker 5: right triggers and the right strings. But there's one that
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  Speaker 5: I can be questioned. I think the manager Dan Wilson
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  Speaker 5: is going to be facing questions about that because you
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  Speaker 5: just said it's the highest leverage situation right there, give
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  Speaker 5: me your highest leverage pitcher. So I think it just
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  Speaker 5: lines up there. What I want to transfer over to though,
• 9:09
  Speaker 5: is kind of where do they go from here with
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  Speaker 5: their their roster. Then you've got two big free agents
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  Speaker 5: looming ahead. You got a Suarez Naylor who'll become free
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  Speaker 5: agents again. What do you see happening with the two
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  Speaker 5: of them? Do you see them both going bull staying
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  Speaker 5: or maybe keeping one or what do you see Seattle's
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  Speaker 5: moves this offseason?
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  Speaker 2: Well, they'll have three actually too, because I think Polonco
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  Speaker 2: has a player option and it's only like six million,
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  Speaker 2: so he'll opt out of that and want to get
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  Speaker 2: paid for his season. And I think, you know, there's
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  Speaker 2: three guys there. I think they're hopeful. You know, the
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  Speaker 2: priority is probably Naylor because he's such a good fit.
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  Speaker 2: I think their best chance is to bring back Polonco
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  Speaker 2: because he likes how Seattle feels, you know, as a
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  Speaker 2: guy that only had one, you know, only played in
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  Speaker 2: one organization before being traded to Seattle and didn't want to,
• 10:00
  Speaker 2: you know, try something different this past offseason and came
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  Speaker 2: back to Seattle.
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  Speaker 4: Not exactly a place where you go to rebuild your numbers.
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  Speaker 4: But he's very comfortable.
• 10:08
  Speaker 2: They're comfortable with Julio Rodriguez and Edgar Martinez is one
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  Speaker 2: of the hitting coaches, and Kevin Seitzer. So I think,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they have a chance to get Polanco back
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  Speaker 2: if they give him market value. Naylor will be the
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  Speaker 2: interesting one, you know. I think with Suarez they'll look
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  Speaker 2: at it, but they're not gonna, you know, give him
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  Speaker 2: fifteen million or something like that. They're just not going
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  Speaker 2: to They they you know, the priorities are probably Naylor
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  Speaker 2: and Polanco in that order.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, div what are they gonna do about their pitching
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  Speaker 3: because I know they're not going to keep the payroll
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  Speaker 3: going up. We've learned that about the Mariners. That's one
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  Speaker 3: thing they're not gonna do. And if they have Naylor,
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  Speaker 3: they have Polonco, they have Suarez as free agency. But
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  Speaker 3: at some point this pitching staff is gonna start getting expensive.
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  Speaker 3: So are they gonna try and sign any of these
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  Speaker 3: guys to a long term deal. Are they gonna try
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  Speaker 3: and maybe think about trading one of them to get
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  Speaker 3: some money off the books? How are they going to
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  Speaker 3: handle this? Because Munos is getting close to arbitration. Logan Gilbert,
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  Speaker 3: Brian Wu, George Kirby Castillo is already locked up to
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  Speaker 3: obviously to a team friend the deal. But how do
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  Speaker 3: they make this all work because their strength as they're.
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  Speaker 2: Pitching, Yeah, I haven't you know, they offered Logan Gilbert
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  Speaker 2: an extension kind of before he was even in the
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  Speaker 2: big leagues, kind of the I don't know. It wasn't
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  Speaker 2: like an Ebon White extension, but what you see from
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  Speaker 2: teams and they offer a guy that hasn't really debuted yet.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't for a lot of money. Kirby, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know that they've had any of the discussions. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know that they believe that those guys are that interested
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  Speaker 2: in signing extensions. Of the group, maybe Bryce Miller is
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  Speaker 2: the most likely to sign an extension because he wants
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  Speaker 2: his ranch in Texas. But that's something they're gonna run into,
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  Speaker 2: and I think, you know, for them, probably what they're
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  Speaker 2: thinking is is like run it back for next year
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  Speaker 2: if possible, with most of the same guys, with your
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  Speaker 2: core guys, and then make the harder decisions a year
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  Speaker 2: from now. But Logan Gilbert is going to get a
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  Speaker 2: lot more expensive, you know, even with a year where
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  Speaker 2: he wasn't you know, didn't get the thirty starts that
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  Speaker 2: he normally does. His arbitration number is still going to
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  Speaker 2: go up. Kirby's arbitration number is still going to go up.
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  Speaker 2: It's all going to add their incremental you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: like inflation. It's all going up. And so their payroll
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  Speaker 2: is going to go up without even signing these other guys,
• 12:19
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, they certainly can't claim poor. You
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  Speaker 2: make it to the alcs, all the all the benefits
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  Speaker 2: of a postseason run. Not to mention they with the
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: last week of the season, they went over their attendance
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  Speaker 2: figures from last year. So they have money, Like they
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: don't like to add a ton of payroll, but it's
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: not because they can't.
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  Speaker 4: That's the difference.
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  Speaker 2: They can, you know, And I think if you don't
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  Speaker 2: capitalize on this moment, like everybody says, oh, this is
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  Speaker 2: a beginning, not the end. That's fine, It's only a beginning.
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  Speaker 2: If you continue to invest and make the team better.
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  Speaker 2: There are obvious holes you're looking at. You know, first
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  Speaker 2: and third are undecided, you know, whether you you know,
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  Speaker 2: they have to make a decision on whether they want
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  Speaker 2: to bring Randy a rose Aorana back at eighteen million
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  Speaker 2: dollars a year or if they want to move him
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  Speaker 2: in his final year and try and you know, supplement somehow.
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  Speaker 4: Get more big league pieces.
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  Speaker 2: But they have pieces that they need to add, and
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  Speaker 2: the pitching is part of it, Like they don't they
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  Speaker 2: need to add another middle reliever. So their their payroll
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  Speaker 2: is going to have to increase, and it can't just
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  Speaker 2: increase by you know, everybody getting a little bit more
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  Speaker 2: in salary arbitration and everything costing a little bit more. No,
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  Speaker 2: it's you have to capitalize on this opportunity. And it's
• 13:23
  Speaker 2: something they failed to do in twenty twenty two where
• 13:26
  Speaker 2: they they make the postseason, you know, upset the Blue
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  Speaker 2: Jays in the first round, and then you know, lose
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  Speaker 2: the Astros, but everybody's excited, and then they have two
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  Speaker 2: straight years where they don't really do a whole lot
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  Speaker 2: in the off season. I just think you've got to
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  Speaker 2: capitalize on it now. You know, and and like, to
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  Speaker 2: be honest, they didn't do a lot this past offseason.
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  Speaker 2: They went and got all their pieces really at the deadline.
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  Speaker 2: Or hey, Polanco was their major free agent signing, and
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  Speaker 2: it was more of a you know, a high or
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  Speaker 2: low risk, high reward.
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  Speaker 4: They weren't.
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  Speaker 2: I think they offered it where they pay seven points
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  Speaker 2: of five million with a vesting option. I mean, that's
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: that's not a huge investment, and it paid off. But
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that you can try and run that
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  Speaker 2: same game plan back again where you don't do a
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  Speaker 2: lot and then try and supplement at the deadline. It's
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: just a tough way to live.
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  Speaker 3: Dev I don't know if you know this, but the
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  Speaker 3: wind is blowing like from this my coffee this side.
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  Speaker 4: It's that coffee.
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  Speaker 2: like hanging out in Washington.
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  Speaker 3: We can put some you know, a sweatshirt or something on.
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  Speaker 2: After the after sitting in the press box in Detroit
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  Speaker 2: and in Toronto where there's no air moving, this is
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  Speaker 2: this is beautiful fresh air.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, all right, well, you brought it up, and I
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  Speaker 3: want to know the answer this. Did the did the
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: ownership learn anything from this year? Right? Meaning after twenty
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: two they didn't really do anything. Fans were pissed. Cal
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: Rawley had to come out and say what he said,
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: I remember in twenty three and then oh no, I
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: didn't really say that, just kidding, right, And then this
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: year they go out and they make the trade for Suarez,
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: they make the trade for Nailor, they do some things
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: and they get I mean as close as you can
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: get to the World Series without making it. Did the
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: ownership of the Maritors learn anything that, hey, if we
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: just spend a little bit on this team, we might
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: actually make history.
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: I would think so, But again, you never know, how Like,
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: they make a lot of business decisions when it comes
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: to baseball, so you would think that they would look
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: at it and say, you know, you have to invest
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: in a product to get maximum output in terms of
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: your revenues that you want to generate. I think honestly,
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: them moving away from from their regional sports network and
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: not in just going straight to MLB and dealing with that,
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: I think that provides a little clarity.
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: But yeah, they again they have money.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: This isn't a situation where they're really not. Every team
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: has money. It's whether or not you're on comfortable to
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: add a little bit more than maybe your your numbers,
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: or your algorithms or your budgets that you've used traditionally.
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: To add.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: Just you know, go against it, get uncomfortable. What do
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: they always say about players that want to get better?
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: You have to, you know, you have to be willing
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: to get uncomfortable to learn to get better. I think
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: for these guys, for the ownership, Hey, you know what,
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: get uncomfortable a little bit, go in some territory where
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: you've never been before, add some money that you wouldn't
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: normally do.
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: Because it's right there. The core is right there. You know.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: We talked to JP Crawford about Josh Naylor and what
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: it would mean to come back, and he was just adamant,
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: like we got to find a way to bring him
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: back because they know what the fit is. Okay, they've
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: never really done a four year, eighty million dollar contract
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: for somebody.
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: I think you got it. I mean I think you gotta.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: You have to get You have to look at what
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: you need and value that more than what you're willing
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: to pay.
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: And I think that's the big thing.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: At times they've been I think they've been resistant to
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: taking risks, risk averse. But to get to where you
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: want to go and to get to the World Series,
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: you have to take risks. I mean, yeah, you might
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: lose on a guy, or you might have a bad signing,
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: but you know, I think you don't really care at
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: this point.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: You have to get back.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, you cannot let what happened this year and
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: what this team did and what the fans were like
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: in that Game five against Detroit or Game five against
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: the Blue Jays. You can't let that go by. You
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: can't let it slip out of your hands. You have
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: to capitalize on the momentum you've built and come back
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: and show fans that, hey, we really believe in this group,
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: and then move forward. And I mean, if you want
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: to resign other guys, if you want to attract free agents,
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: then you have to show that you're ready to commit
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: to winning on a consistent basis beyond just draft, develop
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: and sign.
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: You want to be you know, you wanted to move
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: to a higher level.
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• 19:01
  Speaker 3: Bryan, what's your favorite college team?
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: Montana Grizzlies.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: Right here, it sounds like it's South Carolina with all
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: those cocks crowing behind you. I'm just saying it's crazy,
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: a little late.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: I would like to kill those roosters and make them.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: Okay, they're a little late. It's ten ten thirty out there.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Tell them they're a little late frat boy rooster. Yes,
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: all right. So now what was your favorite team baseball
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: team growing up?
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: Was it the Mariners?
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: No, Being in Montana, you're equidistant between the Mariners and
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: the Twins. And my family had family in Minneapolis. So
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: the first I think fifteen big league games I saw,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: we're all in the Metrodome. Love Kirby Pucket more than
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: anything else.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: Okay, So if if you were a fan of Kirby
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: Pucket and you saw him standing in an airport, would
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: you recognize him? I know he's passed away and I
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: love Kirby, but would you recognize him? By the way,
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: the correct answer was me. But other than that, go ahead.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: I saw you play when I I was in college.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Actually it was in Minnesota. I saw a few games there.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: I would recognize him, Yeah, I think. I mean he
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: was kind of unique looking because he was built like
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: a fire hydrant, you know, so it was like, you know,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: you could, you would recognize him.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: Okay. The reason I asked is I told this story
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: After Game five in Seattle. I was flying back to Orlando,
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: where I live, and Ken Griffy Junr Was standing next
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: to me and we chatted for thirty to forty five minutes,
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: and all these Seattle people had Griffy jerseys on and
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Seattle Mariners this, and he stood there. Not one Seattle
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: person came up to him. It is that, Am I
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: the only one that's like, I cannot believe that nobody
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: recognized Ken Griffy Junior standing in the Seattle airport for
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: like forty five minutes.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's pretty amazing.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: I mean I would think maybe it's just the awe
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: of seeing him, or maybe they were just terrified that
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: you were his bodyguard and they didn't want to get
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: near him.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: I'm stunned by that.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Then again, you know what it's like, there are more
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: people recognize the dumpier guy in the T shirt than
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: they do probably James Paxton standing in an airport too,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: So I it's I'm always kind of stunned by that.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: I I always want I was planning on doing a
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: story on cal Rawley going to Costco because he went
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: to Costco one day to try and get some snacks
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: and you get a hot dog, and it didn't go
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: well for him, Like he got recognized right away and
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: he never did get the hot dog.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: He was pretty disappointed.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: So I wanted to go do a story on that,
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: like it's and I don't think and you know, like
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: you look at Callan, you don't think, oh, he's a
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: big league player. You look at him and think, oh,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: probably a policeman or you know, construction guy.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: But he gets recognized.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: So I can't believe I'm going to text Junior and
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: make fun of him about that too.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Though, please please do that sounds like a sequel article. Yeah,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: I would like to follow up.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: Caw was just pissed because you can't get that one
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: fifty dollars fifty hot dog at Costco whatever it is.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: He wanted the hot dog.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: He wanted the pretzels, the pretzel bites with the peanut
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: butter inside him.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: He loves those things.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: I think he's popular enough now that he can tell
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: the klubby chef and he can whip that up for him.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: But he's got the off season to work on his
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: menu for next year that he can request. He'll be
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: there for a long time. Ryan, good stuff man, great coverage,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: and thanks for hopping on.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Don't freeze the death of montane okay?
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: Hell and I'll.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: I'll you know if you if I send out a
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: picture of meat and fried chicken.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: You'll know it's the roosters from next door.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: And next time we have you on. If we don't
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: hear that, we know what happened.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: Appreciate you man, talk soon, Thank you, snee.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Right, all right, so we've got the recap on umpires
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: in the league championship series. What's up? Oh, one hundred
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: and twenty one hundred and twelve calls missed?
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Okay, and how many games? Six of the eleven.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Games had below league average correct call rates.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: That's not good.
• 22:57
  Speaker 7: That's not good.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: Can we get the score cards?
• 23:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah?
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm a specific at bat that I want to
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: look at with you guys.
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: I think they do it, but this should be the
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: best of the best, or whoever's had the highest scores
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: should be the ones doing it. It's like the way
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: you earn your way into that. But I don't think
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: they do so.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: The guy, the guy a couple of years ago, I
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: had the highest scores for the year, got suspec got
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: kicked out for gambling. So that's true.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: But the thing is, their scoring system, KIP is not
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: just tied to how they do calling balls and strikes, right,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: It's even like how they handle player relations right and
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: all of that. So I just think that there should
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: be a who's the top ten on the home plate rank?
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: And we've done this before, we talked about this, so
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: I want to I want to focus on a specific situation,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Geno Suarez against Chris Bassett. Bassett throws that seventy two
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: mile an hour curve called strike three to get Gino
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: in a big spot in Game seven. Let's run what
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Gino said first, and then we'll show you why he
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: was pissed. So he said that was the same pitch
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: you called.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: Ball, and then you didn't say that.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: What did he say a little.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: More than a little more.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Let's show the pitches. Here's the thing, he's actually wrong.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Both of them were strikes, Kip, I mean the ABS
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: system next year, if he challenges that, he loses.
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I'm saying he was even further inside of
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: the last one. But that's the problem when if number two,
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: because he's compared it to his number two pitch, if
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: that number two pitch was called a ball, I would
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: be even more irate if I was Suarez on that one,
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: but the first one was called a strike and it
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: was full count. You should be kind of swinging at
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: that pitch anyways, But I remember doing that a bunch
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: where ball is on the on the black or right
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: on the outside of the zone, and I'm just like, hey,
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: is that as far as it goes? And then it
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: will be uh. He's like, yep, it'll be like literally
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: half the ball out from that and it'll be called
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: the ball. It's like you're a man of your words,
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: so you have these kind of conversations throughout the bat
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: with it, but you're just guys know their zones.
• 25:10
  Speaker 7: This is what we do. We like we put the.
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: Baseball from our t drills into the cages to every
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: at bat, we learn what the zone is. So we're
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: usually up on that and we allow a little gray area,
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: but we just want a consistent great area. If you're
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: going to give the inside all night, that's fine, but
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: just be on your your p's and q's on the
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: on the outside.
• 25:29
  Speaker 7: We won't want that to remain the name. So we
• 25:31
  Speaker 7: just want consistency.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: I think, Okay, here here's a different side of this.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Maybe Kirk framed it better. Second one. Also, maybe the
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: umpire said to Johannio earlier, hey man, I missed that one.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: We don't know. We only saw the end. Maybe said,
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: oh man, I missed that one. I need to get
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: that next time. But next one is three too, We
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: don't know that.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, two different pitches too, so they get perceived differently.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: Yes, and they both were strikes technically, yeah, they were
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: both strikes. Strikes. Yeah, I don't know. There's a million
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: ways to look at this. Some bars generally do a
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: good job. Am I looking forward to abs, absolutely, because
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: I can't wait to see who gets to tap their
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: head and who doesn't.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: But in this case, he doesn't have an argument.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: Wait, it doesn't because they were both strikes. If he
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: goes back and he looks at it now. Also, I
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: will say this, I don't know who does the little
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: dots on the little screen, because there's probably some college
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: kid that's like you were in college, eat a bunch
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: of gummy nerds and how it's from stack cast. Yeah,
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: but there's someone's got to be pressing the button.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, it's that cast.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: Because we used to have back back before stack cast,
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: we used to have a inside edge or whatever it's called.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: There were literally we'd watched the thing and they chow
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: us where the dot was and We're like, damn, what
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: was this kid doing sitting up at three am in
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: his dorm room pressing the wrong spot and you're like,
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: that's not where it was.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: That's different. Okay, it's auto now. But here's the thing.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Let's paint this picture next year, same exact spot. Okay.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Gino's up and that pitch is called the ball, the
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: second pitch of the Abu sweeper. Let's say the team
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: doesn't challenge it. Chris Bassett and company, they don't challenge it. Okay,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: fast forward later in that IB called strike three, he's pissed.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: The consistency doesn't go away, or the inconsistency doesn't go away,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: because it's not judging every pitch. So if Gino's like,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: what the hell challenge boom, you're wrong. That's a strike.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: That's what it was. So it's not. If you want
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: that kind of consistency, you need abs on every pitch.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: We're not getting that. Players didn't want that.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: I don't want that either, Okay, So.
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: There and I was I was I misspoke earlier. So
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: he did call it a ball first. So that's why
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: as far as it's even more mad because it was
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: even more inside. And then that's why so I said,
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: he called it a strike earlier, but three to two. Uh,
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: it's a tough one.
• 27:44
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: It's a tough one to he's taken it because it
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: literally was just called the ball earlier in that I
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: bet so.
• 27:49
  Speaker 7: The inconsistency is what got to him.
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: The ABS is to remove the inconsistency and just to
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: get the call right. I think that's all we want
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: to really, all we care about is getting the call right.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Does Gino really know the exact spot where that's landing
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: when he's taking that the.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: Same pitch he was, It was not the same pitch
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: the Empire was right though.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: It was a sweeper and then a curve, but.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: It wasn't the same spot either. They didn't even touch
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: each other.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah they're close, but no, not.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: That's a spot. That's like saying I'm close to Canada
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: right now? How close that? I'm not that close, but
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: I'm close.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're closer than Asia is true. How tough
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: is that pitch? Specifically during that ab when he unleashes
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: that very rare epic curveball, I.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Mean, it's you just you have a hard hope he
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: throws it for a ball.
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: Right, that ninety four looks like ninety nine then because
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: you just got to get your weight back on both
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: or you just got to get your hands ready for
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: the fastball.
• 28:45
  Speaker 7: So it really does add it to the other pitches too.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: But I mean he went sweeper, sinker, sinker, cutter, sinker,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: and those were all obviously. Actually the sweeper was was
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: seventy three ish and then curveball. Good sequencing.
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah's different sweeper and a slider technically nothing horizontal.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, more horizontal break slur.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a slur. They just invented some guys. Listen,
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: you know this. Some guys had more horizontal on their slider.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Some guy has more more vertical. But they just wanted
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: to come up with a different name so they could
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: categorize it. And by the way, I said this when
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: I did my broadcast, can we stop calling a high
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: two seamer a sinker? It's not. It's just a two seamer.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: He's just trying to get run across the zone at
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: the top because as you know, kip high sinkers, they
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: don't sink. They only sink over the fence usually, so
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: you're not trying to they're not trying to make the
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: ball start at your chest and go to your thighs.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: They're just trying to start at your chest and run
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: it across the zone. So can we stop calling that
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: a sinker. It's not a sinker. It's a two seemer.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: I'm with you.
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: They're just trying to start it at the barrel and
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: go to the end of the bet exactly.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Wait, so then, do you want stat cast to change.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Whoever calls whoever calls this pitch right here a sinker
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: when it's really George Kirby was doing it at ninety
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: eight and he was just throwing two seamers that would
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: start here and end up over here instead of the
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: four seamer, which stays truer. Right, that's not a sinker,
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: because a sinker, you're really you're literally trying to get
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: the ball to go down, right, He's not trying to
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: get the ball to go down down, He's trying to
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: get the ball to go from here to here. So
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: that's not a sinker. That's a two seamer.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: So should we label all of them two seamers or
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: do we still have sinkers if they're.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: Yes, some guys, but some guys throw one seams sinkers right,
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: So I mean, you know this, kip. Some guys throw
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: the one seamer that just goes straight down right. Some
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: guys thow two seamers that has more horizontal and down.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: And then some guys were never able to get the
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: ball to go down, so they just throw a ball
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: that goes this way.
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: I like those guys usually, Yeah.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: Those are usually the ones. If it's a righty on
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: the lefty, those are usually the ones you could get
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: that you could go from here and just go fuck.
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: Yep, lefties look forward to those guys.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Yes, well this this this will be the last four
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: to seven games in Major League history that don't have
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: a challenge system or abs involvement. In the future, we
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: might have autoballs and strikes for everything, but this will
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: be the last time that machinery is not involved with this, kip.
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: So kidding, question for you, is there a deal with
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: it where it's like we're going to give this a
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: five year, ten year run or is this just like
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: implemented and this is the rule now, or is it
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: just like is there any kind of trial period.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Deal implemented. Here's the deal. They feel like they tested
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: enough everywhere and that this is the next step in
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: terms of calling balls and strikes. I think there's still
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: a chance that in the future all of this is
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: called be a machinery, but I think we're far away
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: from that. I think this is going to be a
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: roaring success and people are going to like it, and
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: baseball's a business, and they're going to like the fact
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: that the challenge system creates a lot more in interesting
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: content for everyone, for umps, for teams, for fans. Right,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: everyone can get involved on that. So I actually think
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: that it's going to be so successful that if anything,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: maybe we because what did we say, we have two
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: and most of us were pissed that we want three,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: So maybe, if anything, they added three or four whatever
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: it is. But you just give teams more of the
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: ability to challenge versus going on every pitch.
• 32:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah, if you win, right, you wouldn't.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: You keep it?
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah? But but no like oh, we're going to try
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: this for a few years or anything. They just kind
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: of go with everything where this is the new rule.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: But yeah, if it somehow was a disaster and like
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: the machine was wrong or something like that, then the
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: next season they could take it away or do something different.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: No commitments, no commitment