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Jaguars Happy Hour: Thursday, December 26 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: M celebrating twenty five years of Jaguars football. It's Thursday
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  Speaker 1: this summer. This is Jaguars Happy Hour. And now a
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  Speaker 1: guy who's often requested and always returned for store credit.
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  Speaker 1: J Peace shad Rick. I guess I'll take that as
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  Speaker 1: a compliment. Um, I'm not sure. Welcome in Jaguars Happy Hour. J. P. Shadrick,
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  Speaker 1: Tony Boselli, Jeff Lagerman, Glad you're along with us. Today
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  Speaker 1: is the Jaguars get ready to face the Indianapolis Colts
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  Speaker 1: in weeks seventeen. And here's what we're getting to today,
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  Speaker 1: finishing the season. Some big question is about the future.
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  Speaker 1: What is the future of the organization. We'll find out
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  Speaker 1: after the season is over. Colts Jaguars Preview will take
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  Speaker 1: a look at this game coming up. Quarterback play and
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  Speaker 1: that's slowing down the Colts running game, something that Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: did not do last time out. We'll see if they
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  Speaker 1: can do it this week in week seventeen here at
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  Speaker 1: t I A A Bankfield. What's up, guys, Hey, welcome
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  Speaker 1: back Mary post Christmas right, I tell you what I
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  Speaker 1: need the first of the year again here because I
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  Speaker 1: need to stop eating. It's out of control. The amount
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  Speaker 1: of sweets and like desserts in my house right now,
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  Speaker 1: and that I cannot stop eating. It's so bad. I'm
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  Speaker 1: eating like cookies and pound cake and for for breakfast.
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  Speaker 1: Join the club. It's like out of Actually, I've taken
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  Speaker 1: a page out of his playbook and I have gained
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  Speaker 1: I think eight pounds in the last week. Controls that
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  Speaker 1: time of year, in the holidays. I just got to
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  Speaker 1: get to the first of the year, and it's clean
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  Speaker 1: eating for me. I just done. I haven't done a
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  Speaker 1: very good job. You have a lot of wiggle room.
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  Speaker 1: You have some room that I mean eight pounds for me,
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  Speaker 1: that's a lot immediately, not like that. But I can
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  Speaker 1: tell you what it's been damn good. That's the problem.
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  Speaker 1: I enjoying the last week. So a week seventeen Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: Football twenty nineteen coming to a close. It's good, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's I mean it's good. I mean, look, I mean
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  Speaker 1: it's been a lousy season that it's coming to it end.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I'm glad it's coming to an end. And mean,
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  Speaker 1: to be perfectly honest with you, I mean it's this
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  Speaker 1: is when you want to just go ahead and tie
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  Speaker 1: the bow on this season and then then move on.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's no other two ways around. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you want to want to have some type
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  Speaker 1: of positivity to end the year, but you're at the
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  Speaker 1: point now where I don't know if you can find
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  Speaker 1: any type of positivity to end the year on. And
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  Speaker 1: you got to go back to all the way back
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  Speaker 1: to the very first year of the franchise, and Tony
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  Speaker 1: remember this. I think we won our last game of
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  Speaker 1: the year. We did. We beat Cleveland and we stunk
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  Speaker 1: and and we knew it. And that was after losing
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  Speaker 1: seventh straight. But I mean, I don't want to say
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  Speaker 1: that propelled us into the off season, but at least
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  Speaker 1: gave us a little bit of a taste of success
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  Speaker 1: to where it kind of gave us a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of drive for the all season ago. You know, we
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  Speaker 1: want more of that. But it was such a difference
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  Speaker 1: in AIO, but was totally different. That's my point. Expectations
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  Speaker 1: that yes, we're I mean, they were just happy we
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  Speaker 1: were in the league, and you know, we had some
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  Speaker 1: early wins and we were a young team and we
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  Speaker 1: had I mean, you know, rookies and first year players
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  Speaker 1: all over the field, and we were competitive at the
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  Speaker 1: end of the year for most the most part two
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  Speaker 1: outside of the Detroit game, and yeah, that was a
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  Speaker 1: bad one day they were taking a knee, was a
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  Speaker 1: rough day at the office. And what what what time
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  Speaker 1: was on the clock when we were taking it, like
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  Speaker 1: about ten minutes left in the game there first and
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  Speaker 1: going to five and they stick three mutes and gave
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  Speaker 1: us the ball. Might have been the worst game ever.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm glad I wasn't a part of it. Yea,
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  Speaker 1: I was, unfortunately part of that. The best was your language,
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  Speaker 1: The best was shut out. The best. We were down
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  Speaker 1: like forty four nothing, and we decided we're gonna go
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  Speaker 1: two minutes for the whole fourth quarter because like we
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  Speaker 1: have a great chance to get it back into and
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  Speaker 1: Robert proche Porchet on the rushing full speed. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: in the difference, I think with Jeff saying he's right
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  Speaker 1: because let's say the Jacks win this week, and but
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  Speaker 1: does it make him feel any better about anything that's
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  Speaker 1: happened this year? Does it make you feel better going
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  Speaker 1: in the off season, I don't think. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: it does. Yeah, I think it would be. You'd have
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  Speaker 1: a hard time. You want to win the game. You
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  Speaker 1: want to win. But well, you always want to win.
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  Speaker 1: But do you well, I mean, you could argue in
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  Speaker 1: the big picture, no, you want to lose. You want
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  Speaker 1: to lose the game because you have better draft, a
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  Speaker 1: better draft pick. But if you're a player on that team,
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  Speaker 1: you're not worry you don't care about the draft picks.
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  Speaker 1: As a player, you want to go out and win
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  Speaker 1: because every time you step on the field, you're competitive.
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  Speaker 1: You want to win. I mean, but if you look
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  Speaker 1: at take the players out, where could you go? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if if, for example, the Jaguars right now, the draft
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  Speaker 1: pick is like sixth overall, and then if you win,
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  Speaker 1: you can probably go to ten or eleven. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's a that's a significant drop. And if you lose,
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  Speaker 1: you might go to four. So and and here here's
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  Speaker 1: the point. Most drafts, and obviously as a player and
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  Speaker 1: as a team, you don't want to talk about any
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  Speaker 1: of that, but as as as as how the draft goes,
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  Speaker 1: typically most of them have the elite, and the elite
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  Speaker 1: are typically anywhere from four or five guys, maybe going
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  Speaker 1: to seven guys at the top of the draft. If
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  Speaker 1: you're lucky, now said, and then then it becomes then
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  Speaker 1: it drops to and it's not a big drop, but
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  Speaker 1: I mean typically it's viewed as they dropped down to
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  Speaker 1: the next level of athlete. And so if you can
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  Speaker 1: stay in that top part of where that elite is,
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  Speaker 1: that's I mean you're never going to a game thinking
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  Speaker 1: that as a player or a coach, as a team,
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  Speaker 1: but I think as a franchise, when you look at
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  Speaker 1: a big picture, you can look at it and look
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  Speaker 1: at it that way, right, And we can look at
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  Speaker 1: it that way. Absolutely, we're on the radio, we're supposed
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  Speaker 1: to look at it that way. I mean, for the
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  Speaker 1: for the long term future of this franchise, is it
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  Speaker 1: better that you win a game that doesn't have any
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  Speaker 1: significance whatsoever, or to lose it. I'll give you a
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  Speaker 1: perfect example. Was it five years ago? Six years old? No, seven,
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  Speaker 1: eight years ago? It was probably the Colts last game
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  Speaker 1: of the year. Came in here, neither team was going
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  Speaker 1: to the playoffs, neither team was playing for a lot um.
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  Speaker 1: The Colts ended up losing that game, a tight game,
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  Speaker 1: and they went from having the second overall to the
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  Speaker 1: first overall pick, and they got Andrew Luck instead of
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  Speaker 1: r G three. Now Andrew looks retired early, but I
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  Speaker 1: would argue that the tenure of his time with the
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  Speaker 1: Annapolis Colts was very successful and they got a franchise quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: So I mean, do you think they cared about losing
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  Speaker 1: that game when they were sitting number one picking and
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  Speaker 1: they signed Andrew Luck through the deal after that April draft?
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  Speaker 1: I don't think no. And then you can if you
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  Speaker 1: if you end up at four or if you stay
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  Speaker 1: at six, with where the Rams draft pick is, I
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  Speaker 1: think it's twenty. It's it's I mean the playoffs. The
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  Speaker 1: first playoff team is twenty one, so they're out of
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  Speaker 1: the playoffs. So it's somewhere in there. So somewhere in
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  Speaker 1: that range. So if they lose this week, that could improve. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: the Jaguars loose, So now you're looking at you will
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  Speaker 1: have you have if both teams lose, you have what
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  Speaker 1: would it would take to move up to get where
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  Speaker 1: you want to get to maybe get a guy it's
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  Speaker 1: a franchise type quarterback. You think you think you'd have enough.
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  Speaker 1: Let's say you're five and the h and the Rams
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  Speaker 1: are at seventeen. You think the five and seventeen or
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  Speaker 1: as one? No, no, no, no, no, not not first overall. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but I think that's I mean, how many we haven't
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  Speaker 1: done the work yet, and we'll do We'll move it'll
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  Speaker 1: give you the ability to move up somewhere in the top.
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  Speaker 1: But this is a weak quarterback lass three. Yeah, this
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  Speaker 1: is a weak quarterback class. If Joe Burrows and then
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  Speaker 1: everyone else and this this Jacks team needs a lot
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  Speaker 1: more than just a quarterback right now, We've we've talked
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  Speaker 1: about that already. So the more picks you have, the
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  Speaker 1: more big bodies you can get, the more big bodies
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  Speaker 1: you can get. And then also maybe trade if if
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  Speaker 1: there's not a quarterback that you like, then maybe you
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  Speaker 1: trade out for future picks. Then you can get where
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  Speaker 1: you want to get, you know. So, I mean there's
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  Speaker 1: a The bottom line is there's a lot of work
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  Speaker 1: in this offseason to do. I mean, because you look
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  Speaker 1: at obviously at the draft and you have to go
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  Speaker 1: through all the process there, you have free agency, but
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  Speaker 1: the biggest issue you have to deal with immediately is
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  Speaker 1: you have the cap and you have cap issues that
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  Speaker 1: you have to uh deal with, and there are starters
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  Speaker 1: in this team that you're gonna have to let go.
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  Speaker 1: And so not only do you have the holes that
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  Speaker 1: you currently that we've discussed the ones that are glaring,
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  Speaker 1: but there's gonna be some that are gonna be vacated
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  Speaker 1: because the cap. Because of the cap is my point,
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  Speaker 1: and so you there's a lot of places you gotta feel.
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  Speaker 1: So there's a lot of work to be done. You
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  Speaker 1: have the draft, you have free agency, and reality some
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  Speaker 1: of them may not be vacated because of the cap,
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  Speaker 1: but strictly because the performance doesn't equal to pay, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean. So maybe some guys you end
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  Speaker 1: up releasing because of that. You could you could afford
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  Speaker 1: them under the cap, but you don't want to pay
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  Speaker 1: them because their performance isn't commensurate with what they're what
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  Speaker 1: they're level of plays at. So like it would be
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  Speaker 1: interesting to do if you have the twenty two starters,
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  Speaker 1: take away the teams, the kickers will be back. But
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  Speaker 1: if you take away that you just looked at the
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  Speaker 1: twenty two starters, they're on this they're gonna start Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: How many of them will be back next year? That's
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  Speaker 1: a great question. M that's a great question. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: have you have to go there and sit there and
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  Speaker 1: try to add him up? But I mean you can.
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  Speaker 1: It depends on who's making the decision to we can
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  Speaker 1: go back to. I mean, look, look, I think some
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  Speaker 1: of the glaring ones, I mean the question marks whether
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna be back yet or not. I think a
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  Speaker 1: boy he's got a pretty significant cap number at the
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  Speaker 1: level of no, he hasn't played where you're paying a match,
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  Speaker 1: so I think, you know, he's a guy that you
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  Speaker 1: would look at. I think Clay's Campbell's a guy that
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  Speaker 1: you would look at. He's a marvelous guy. He hasn't
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  Speaker 1: had the year that he had the last two years,
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  Speaker 1: and so do you can you justify paying fifteen million
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  Speaker 1: dollars a year? Probably not. Marcel Darius is a guy
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  Speaker 1: that you can't. You're not gonna pay him, you know,
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  Speaker 1: ten eleven, twelve million dollars or whatever you know is
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  Speaker 1: looking at that situation. So, I mean, those are those
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  Speaker 1: are three guys just from a pay stand that I
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  Speaker 1: think you have some holes on defense that you'd like
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  Speaker 1: to get better guys for. I mean, you'd like to
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  Speaker 1: maybe find a Mike Backer and maybe end up moving
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  Speaker 1: Miles Jack to the week side. You like to find
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  Speaker 1: a three technique Taven Brian has not shown that he
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  Speaker 1: you would have a lot of confidence in him fulfilling
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  Speaker 1: that role going forward. You'd like to find a one
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  Speaker 1: to get better at stopping the run. I think Abrie's
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  Speaker 1: play at times has been up and down. I mean so,
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  Speaker 1: I mean there's some holes on defense. I mean, some
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  Speaker 1: of it is due to pay and some of it's
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  Speaker 1: just flat up performance and unrelated to pay that you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna have to address in the off season. And that's
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  Speaker 1: just the defensive side of the ball. That's a lot.
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  Speaker 1: That's a lot to deal with. Am I wrong? No?
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  Speaker 1: I mean I would do that all in one year. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you never. Here's Here's the one thing I will say, though,
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  Speaker 1: is that there's not a team in the NFL that
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  Speaker 1: goes into a season. So saying everything, I've got everything fixed,
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  Speaker 1: there's no holes worth good. Everybody's got something that they're going. Man,
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  Speaker 1: I wish we could have gotten better there, you know.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's that's okay. But you'd like to address as
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  Speaker 1: many as you can, or to patch as many as
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  Speaker 1: you can to make yourself feel better and to make
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  Speaker 1: your team better. Well, and I think just right, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you're never you're never satisfied. And if you are satisfied.
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  Speaker 1: You're in the wrong business because you always are trying
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  Speaker 1: to get better. But the concerning thing is is you
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  Speaker 1: can look at every level of the defense and say
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  Speaker 1: that there are there are holes in significant questions that
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  Speaker 1: you have to address. And at the defensive line, it's
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  Speaker 1: probably a couple of positions. Linebacker you have it as
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  Speaker 1: you have cornery of issue, and I think there's questions
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  Speaker 1: that the safety place I wouldn't disagree with there you'd
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  Speaker 1: like like to maybe get an upgrade. That's probably one
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  Speaker 1: of those positions of that you go, yeah, we can
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  Speaker 1: probably make do for a year, um, but if you
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  Speaker 1: can find a way to improve it, you'd feel better
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  Speaker 1: about it. And then and then you we haven't even
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  Speaker 1: talked about the offense yet, and I think there's a
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  Speaker 1: kind of chick. We'll hear from coach duggmaron about how
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: the schedule and stuff changes, but um, it kind of
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: mixes up to practice schedule a little bit, and that
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: is everybody the day off. Yeah, it was nice. That's Uh.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Doug's done a real good job with getting uh Thanksgiving,
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: Christmas off, working the schedule around. Some coaches don't do that,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: but it's been He's been real good about that. Is
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: it tough this time you're do guys trying to come
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: in and get Christmas presents for their families and stuff
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: from you, like shirts and hats and like our analysts
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: over here trying to do is that happen occasionally, but
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: it's not too bad. Everybody's pretty good, though. Jimmy, it's
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: a tough get you know. I mean a lot of
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: equipment guys like here you go, you go, here you go.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: And Jimmy tight man. Um, he's tight. I'm just kidding.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: He's good equipment guy. You gotta be a little bit tight. Yeah.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: People take advantage. You do get asked a lot of stuff. Yeah, yeah,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: that's for sure. All right. I've knowne some equipment guys
• 18:18
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• 18:25
  Speaker 1: It was like a store in the world before we
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: get into any more trouble. That's um, what are the
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: We always unveil the uniforms here. So this is the
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: final time and it's obviously the final home game with
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: the scene, So what will the Jaguars wear? Were because
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: we're going at home? Got the black jerseys, okay, the
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: mayor there class Campbell very nice, and then we get
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: we'll go with the teal pants Oh yeah, I like
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: that Black over Teal, your Teal last week deal last
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: week down Black too, great record and the Teal pants,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: but I think they look good way more important, Jimmy,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: I'm glad we cleared that up. A great record. Two
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: on the with the Teal pants, right, three year one
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: this year? Only one time last week until last week
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: was the first time. Alright, we're do for a victory,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Black over Teal. Very nice, Jimmy, thank you very much.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: And getting killed every Jimmy luck ms, Jimmy, thank you.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: We'll talk to you soon. Alright, prey like out of here.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: We'll continue with our conversation as we promised going into
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: the break offense, we could play like we did on
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: the defensive side of a moment ago on the offensive side.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: How many players could be back on this team next year?
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: And how many holes do you have to fill in
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: a year's time, Because we you've already figured out you
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: can't fill all the defensive holes in a year's time.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: It means the number one hole that you need to
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: address period overall, in the entire team as a quarterback hole.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: And until you know that you have a franchise guy,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: the search should continue and you keep swinging and try
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: to find that guy. I don't think I've seen anything
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: out of Minshew or Nick Foles that says we're okay
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: at the quarterback position. The quarterback you need another wide receiver.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: On d D, I think has had an off year
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: and maybe related, but the reality is that you didn't
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: get the production that you wanted. DJ Tark Chark took
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: a tremendous step up. I don't think you have a
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: tight end right now. You're playing with a bunch of
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: guys that really had no role of being an expected
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: starter this year. I think offensive line, you'd like to
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: have two new guys where you'd like to have a
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: left tackle that that you feel really good about. Cam
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Robinson has been a little off this year. Is that
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: the first year back from the knee. Uh. I thought
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: he made some steps, but Tony is probably a little
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: bit harder on him than I am. Um. I think
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: he can get better, but is he gonna be enough?
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Because Logs always throws it back on me when it
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: comes to the offensive line, Well, I mean, that's your
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: that's your stuff, man, that's your that's your's. I love Cam,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: but the reason I don't know if it's about the
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: knee is because I see some of the same technique
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: deficiencies that we've seen since he's gotten here, and the
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: fact that that hasn't got a whole lot better, it
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: worries you. Um, it's Cam talented. Yes, is he big,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: got a good big strong guy, good athletes. Sure. Absolutely.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying you can't do it. But at the
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: end of the day, it's you're based on your You
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: have to look at the production, you have to look
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: at the tape and and what you're getting there. And
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: I think it's something when you're five and ten and
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: you have to evaluate everything, and when you are over
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: the last seven games, three points for a game in
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: the first half, I mean it's not good enough from
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: the point won something a game in the first half.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: And so it's just it's something that to valuate. There's
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: not enough playmakers in this offense. UM offensive line needs
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: to be better. You need to be able to run
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: the ball consistency, consistently, and I think you I don't
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: think there's a position I would not look at on
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: the offense. Well, I look at at stet last seven games,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: twenty two points in the first half of those games,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: total average in thirteen yards in the first half, five
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: first downs in the first half, third down conversion is
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: not very good. And that's kind of been a season
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: long type of deal there. I mean, those are not
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: good numbers for for for an offense in the first half.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: And the points are the most clarion one that's there.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: And uh, you know, and with with running back, I mean,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I I don't think that Leonard four Nett is the
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: total solution at running back in the future. I think
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: you got find a guy. You have to find a
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: make you miss guy. You have to find a guy
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: you can throw in miss. I mean, does does Leonard
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: four Nett? And I always kind of use this analogy.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: How many running backs do you have on the roster
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: when they get the ball in in open space, make
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: you hold your breath? Does for net make you do that? JP? No?
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: I mean no, and uh And I'm not saying that
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of backs that do that, but if
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: you can get one of those backs. And Leonard he's
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: had he's had a great year compared to where he
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: was at last year, incredibly consistent, you know, the seventh
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: in the league and rushing and he hasn't he's been
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: able to do that without a lot of attempts. Recently,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: he's got a tremendous amount of catches on the year,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: seventy six, which is fourth among running backs in the league.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: It's a Jaguars record that's pretty incredible. Fourth in yards
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: per scrimmage. He's been available every game, which is a
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: big step up for him. But boy, at what happened
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: to the offense if you lost him? Is Raquel Armstead?
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: That guy, a guy that can make it. We haven't
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: seen enough of him. I haven't seen enough of him,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: but I can tell you this if it if it
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: ain't him, there there's nobody the the bar. And I
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: don't think there's a lot of hay in the barn,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: you know So, I mean that's a position I think
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: you all you always have to have is the injury.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: To me, it's as simple as just looking the numbers.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: The numbers at this point of the year, you are
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: what your numbers say you are, and this is a
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: team that does not score points, does not move the ball,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: is not explosive, and so as you look at it,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: is that coaching? Is that play calling? Sure, I think
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: you have to evaluate that as well, But this is
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: a team that needs more playmakers. How many guys on
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball. If you're game planning
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Jeff as a defensive coordinator, would you say, oh my,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: this guy scares me. Um there, I think I think
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: this one. You would probably game plan of defense to
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: where you would put extra guys in the box for
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: two reasons. One, that's the style that they want to run,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: not because they're so good at it, because it's Leonard
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: four Nette. And then you also have a quarterback that
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: can't carry the weight of the game on his shoulder,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: so you would wait the box to try to counteract
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: the running game in Leonard Fournett. And then at a
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: critical situation you might lean a safety towards DJHR. Fair enough, Yeah,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: But at my point is there's nobody that you're not
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: You're not waking up in the middle of the night
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: and having nightmares of X player. Bet you there's no
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: there's no I mean, look at some of the weapons
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: that are on some of the top teams in the
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: league Kent City. But that's the amazing thing about them.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: They have so many that makes a defensive coordinator worry.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: But you don't have one of those guys Kelsey or
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: a Tyreek Hill. I mean I would put those two
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: and that's probably about it. I mean those two guys
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: are the ones that change defensive coordinators plans that are
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: on that offensive team. UM in San Francisco, Kittle in
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: San Francix with the quarterback Lamar Jackson, and he makes
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: you change a game plan. Yes, And you don't have
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: a guy on offense that makes you change a defensive
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: coordinator's approach or his game Polio Atlanta, you don't have one.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: You don't grow on trees. Teams have an offensive player
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: that you could. I mean, go go through the top.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Just go through the playoff teams real quick. Kansas City,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: we already talked about. Um. If you look at the
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Houston Texans, I mean they have Hopkins. Will Fuller scares
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: the you know, you know what out of here when
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: he's healthy, and Shawn Watson. If you look at the Patriots,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Patriots don't really have a guy Tom Brady and Edelman.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: They got two guys. Um. If you look at the
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills, the Bills are a team that's built defensively,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: probably not a guy who stands out that scares you.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: If you look at Um, I'm trying to think who
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Tennessee would be one of them right now, Tennessee j Brown.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: You know, you got a couple of guys there that,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: you know, big offensive line. The Saints have, Michael Thomas, Camara,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Drew Brees, Packers, Aaron Rodgers, Davante Adams, Niners. I mean,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, just go through the Cowboys. I mean they
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: all not everyone doesn't have a bunch. I'm not saying
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: you have to have a bunch. We have to have
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: that guy. You have to have that guy that changes
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: how a defense has to play you, that can beat
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: you even if you do it right. It's like last
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: week Julio Jones, Todd wash double Julio Jones. He's good
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: enough to beat you. And so there's certain guys in
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: this league, and you want to have one or two
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: of them, preferably one and a quarterback would be great.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Well most of the time, if you don't have a quarterback,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: then you don't have a franchise. Got another position for them.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I means, like I'm talking about receiver position type. For
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: the most part, that's not always the case, but this
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: is a you know, I'll use the example of Lamar
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Jackson Now he's a different dude, now, totally different. League
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: has never seen anybody like him. But I remember doing
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: the game when the Jets play the Ravens and game
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: plan getting ready to watching tape, and you'd watch and
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: defenses would do it perfect, and he would still make
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: the free guy miss. And you see it all the time.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: You see in Carolina Christian McCaffrey. You do everything right,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: but he beats the guy one on one. You have
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: to have those guys who can win the one on
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: one matchups. They can just beat the guy even when
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: everything else is done right by the defense. But they're
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: that good. And that I mean and it's no different
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: than an offense. I'll take it to the offensive line.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: You want guys who can whip the guy across from them,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: but you don't have to scheme. It don't have to
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: be double, doesn't be perfect, But there's just guys that
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: can win because it allows you to do so much,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: no different than defense. When you have that guy on
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: defense and as an offensive lineman, let's say it's a
• 29:06
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• 29:08
  Speaker 1: changes everything else you do and it opens up so
• 29:11
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• 29:13
  Speaker 1: And so I think that's as I look at this
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: offense and there's some good, solid players in this offense,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: but I don't know if there's difference makers on the offense,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: and I think that's one of things you gotta find.
• 29:24
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  Speaker 1: The only player to not practice was Michael Walker. Learn
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  Speaker 1: this season, we've talked about an accomplishment that has been
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  Speaker 1: and the Titans to lose and for them and they're
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  Speaker 1: in m and they had to have like four things
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: last week happened to get to this week, and they
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: had them all happened last week. How about what I
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: was talking about this someone earlier. They gotta be kicking
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: themselves that they lost the game to the Jaguars because
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: they had that game under control. They'd be in control
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: their own destiny right now. Really, just good game management,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: they probably win and they'd be in the driver's seat.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: If it's truly destiny clock management. Do you even control it?
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: If it's destiny, it's destiny. Right, that's a little thing
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: about that's pretty deep. J J. Let's move on, my
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: A M. Have to go hang out with Joe and
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: think about that. Right. We just started from Ashland there
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: and the injury reporting, Leonard Fordette appearing on it for
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: the first time, that story exactly what the deal is
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: that right here? That just popped out the injury report
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: officially Leonard fo Nette is on it with a neck issue.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Limited Wednesday, did not practice Thursday or what would have
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: been Wednesday, which was actually Tuesday, was limited, did not
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: practice officially today, spoke with the media today. Um, so
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: that that's not a good look. No, I mean, I
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: would think Leonard, you know, would want to try to
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: find a way to if he can to play all
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: sixteen games, continue to get more rushing yards into build
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: on his best years of pro. So we'll just have
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: to stand back and watch to see, you know, how
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: serious and neck injury it is and if it will
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: stop him from playing of the year. You guys recalling
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: that any point the game last week where he came out,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: I do not don't I don't either interesting how it
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: pops up, But we'll remember follow that tomorrow. He slept
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: on like slept on wrong. Maybe bad pillow maybe, so
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: maybe these one of those those travel Yeah, yeah, I
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: wake up sometimes I have a crick in my neck
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: and it's called old age. So that's the story to follow.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Moving ahead here defensively, I'm last time these two teams played.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: They the Colts ran all over the Jaguars and it
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: was multiple guys doing it, a couple of guys and
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: the fourth worst rushing day against the Jaguars in franchise history,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: in fact, sixty four on the ground. And if I'm
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: not mistaken, that was the game. The Jaguars only ran
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: the ball eight times. Yes, they had twenty nine yards
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: rushing in the game. The Jags did eight or nine
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: times they ran the ball. Can't remember exactly what it was,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: but yeah, they got dominated up front. Um, Marlon mac
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: got hurt that game, missed a couple and he's back.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Has over a thousand yards rushing just over but only
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: missing two games. He has over a thousand yards, So
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: he's a good back. I really like him. Um, he's
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: not much of a receiver out of the back. They
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: and and I think the reason is is justified because
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: the few balls that I've seen thrown his way on
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: film and in live action, he doesn't exactly have great hands.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: He would have the nickname probably from Roberto Duran, hands
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: of stone, so not so good. That's why uh naim
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Heims catches a ton of balls for them. Returns punts
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: very well, as a matter of factly two touchdowns last week.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: He's uh one of the all time great punt return
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: yardage games in NFL history. Last week against the Carolina Panthers,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: he had three punt returns. This is the running back now,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: heem hims Now. He had three returns for a total
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: of a hundred ninety five yards. One of them I
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: think was seventy one yards, the other one was like
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: eighty four I think somewhere in that range. What a
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: tremendous day by him. And the crazy part is what
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: the hell took the coaches so long to find a
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: way to get him back there. He's only got seven
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: returns on the year. The only reason he's back there, Jeff,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: because Chester Rogers got hurt is on That's my point,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: what are you doing? Coaches? Come on, he tried They
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: tried to get him back there. Last year's rookie, he
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: struggled catching punts, and that's I think. I don't think
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: they had the confidence that he was gonna feel it,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: so he was the backup. But you read all the
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: reports of Indianapolis. He's worked tirelessly, uh since last year,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: in this offseason even the season to work on secure
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: in the ball and catching it. And when he does,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: he's a dynamic player. I mean, they got three, they
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: have a good backfield, and they have a good offensive line.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Um Obviously Hines we're talking about right now is part
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: returners outstanding. But you look at Marlon Mack behind that
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: big offensive line, they are very successful and they need
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: to be because Jacoby Brisset's not playing very good. Hines
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: as a receiver out of the backfield and he obviously
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: is a kind of that smaller third down type of back.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: In two years, he's a second year player. Hundred and
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: four receptions. That's pretty impressive now for a second year
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: back to have those type of numbers, so pretty pretty good.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: And Jacoby Prott, You're right, he's not been playing very
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: well at all ever since You're at the knee in Pittsburgh,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: he was playing great up until then, and then since
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: then the numbers of uh plummeted. Yeah, I know you
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: like to think he's a franchise guy. I might be
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: rethinking after well they think I thought no, no, I
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: thought he had a chance to a franchise guy. They
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: did too. Did you read Jim Rseys commentary because he
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: was asked he was actually asked about the possibility of
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Andrew Luck coming back, and he said that we have
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: to plan to move forward at that poss issue with
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissett and the draft he need. I mean, when
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: you start saying Jacob and the draft, okay, then they
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: understand that Jacoby precent may not be the guy. And
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: just like in the Jaguars situation, if you think you
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: have a guy, then you're making a mistake. If you
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: act like you know you have a guy, you always
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: insinuate that we don't have a guy until it is
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: a done deal, locked stone cold, we got a guy.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: If you had to pick the bigger issue of the
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Jaguars run defense this year, with the lack of Marcel
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Darius for the better part of the year, or the
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: lack of Miles Jack when he was out or not playing, well,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: during the five guns stretch, Jack was the lineback or
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: his let's let me rephrase that. His play in that time. Well,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: I don't think they've been getting the front seven anywhere,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: especially on the interior. I think they've really struggled on
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: the interior part of the defensive line. I don't think
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: the Baker has been very play very good with uh
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Simon based football. Their eyes aren't very good. They get
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: out of position a lot. And the combination of those
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: two is they've been getting gas between the tackle. You
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: add that and then you have not stellar play by
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: the one which is Avery, and then you have some
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: poor play by Tavin Bryan. I mean literally at times
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: it's been poor, like out of your gap. Uh. You know,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: you put that together and it's and it's not good
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: and uh and I know, I think at the beginning
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: of year a lot of people wanted to to beat
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: up Tavin Brian, and I kept telling everybody kind of
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: wait a minute, let's let the young guy develop a
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: little bit. And this is your two And we have
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: not seen a step forward out of his level of
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: play in my opinion, and I think at times he
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: has a total liability in the run game. So, Jeff,
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, is there anything area where you would be
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: comfortable going into next year with him as your starting
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: three technique? Is there is? You look at this defensive
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: line as it sits right now. Um, Josh Allen's the starter.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Oh and he's just stud Yeah. I think he needs
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: to be playing more around but he is. He's a
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: starter in caliber player, yes, yes, yes, Um David Bryant said, no,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: not a starting caliber technique, Avery Jones starting caliber one technique. No. Uh.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: I don't see any scenario where Clays is back under
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: the current year. I don't think you can afford it.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: But here, but here's here's what we would like to
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: see if he wants to play, because he's starting to
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: get at that point in his career where take a
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: pay cut. Clays might just say, you know what, I'm done.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, the reality is he's made a hundred million
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: dollars in his career. So I mean, when you get
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: to that point, you can see you you know, I've
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: enjoyed it, it's been fun. I want to win. I
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: want to play with a contender maybe or maybe to
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: look I just I'm done and I'm gonna walk away.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: But and he might want to go play with the continer.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Say I want to play twenty five snaps the game
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: and that's it. Yeah, or in a perfect world, love
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: to have him back at at half the number and
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: half the amount of snaps. I mean twenty snaps a game.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Sub rusher, I would love him. So let's take him off.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: So let's take him off another starter. So now your
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: other defensive end is right now in gockway comfortable in ways. No,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: I want to have I want to have yawn yun
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Ache as my starting sam on first down. By the way,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think I think y're on
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: perfect position for him, which I think he'll excel at,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: is an outside linebacker on first and second down in
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: base personnel. And as soon as they go to sub
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: put him as a hand down on the ground, hand
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: in the ground because he's a fabulous pass rusher, he's athletics,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: I'll get out. So we would have to put right
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: now Smoot as a strong Smoot a starting caliber defensive end.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: I think you could get by with him. So he's
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: one of those guys that we it in that category
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: of you like to improve and get better at. But
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: right now you thought he's had a pretty good year
• 45:05
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• 45:07
  Speaker 1: you give a half to Smooth and you have do
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: you have to obviously just say too. But that's where
• 45:13
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• 45:15
  Speaker 1: a linebacker, you need to mike you feel good. I
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: don't think if mic linebacker on the roster, and so
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: now you're looking at your center of your defense. This
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: is why you struggle to stop to run. That's where
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: you need. You need help. I mean, you gotta you
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: gotta address that. That's hard to do. I mean it's
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: hard to do in one year. I mean and especial
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: when you're up against the Catholic. But also you look
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: at are you comfortable with you comfortable baby Jones being
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: your rotational guy come off the bench. I'd be happy
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: with that, absolutely, be okay with Tavin Bryant coming in
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: and playing fifty snaps and your rotational three. No you're not.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: So you don't think you don't think there's a place
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: on this team for Tavin But no, I'm not saying that.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: But then a couple of years left this contract. I
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: have a place for him on this roster, but he's
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: got to get better. That's fair. I mean, so you're
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: talking about a player going into his third year. So
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that he can't get better, because there's
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: times that he has plays. Agree with that. He just
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: he keeps the crap out of people, you know, and
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: unfortunately most times when he kicks the pooh out of
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: somebody already said, he doesn't he doesn't come off and
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: make the play. You know. So can we take that
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: next step with him? You know? I I don't know.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: But here here's the reality. He's got to get better.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: He's got to get better to be because right now,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: and this is I think this is the truth. Kim Spence,
• 46:49
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• 46:53
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• 46:56
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• 46:59
  Speaker 1: It would be tough to you. Okay, but he's not big.
• 47:01
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  Speaker 1: You're at six. That's that's my fault. Joe is in
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  Speaker 1: my ear. I'm sorry missed something here, Okay, at six.
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  Speaker 1: I'm with you from the sense of I believe you
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  Speaker 1: have to draft a quarterback almost every year, if not
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  Speaker 1: every year, until you have the guy, until you have
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  Speaker 1: Somebody else said that a few years ago, and and
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  Speaker 1: somebody kind of laughed at me. No, I never laughed
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  Speaker 1: at you. I agree. Did you laugh at me? I
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  Speaker 1: have a guy, you have to almost every year draft
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  Speaker 1: a guy at the sixth overall pick. Would you draft
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  Speaker 1: a quarterback? With all the other holes that we've talked
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  Speaker 1: about during this first hour of the show, and the
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: need for big people, the need for interior defensive linement,
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: a middle linebacker, possibly an offensive linement. I think you
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: need two tight ends on this roster, at least one blocking,
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: especially the way that uh, assuming the reports that your
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  Speaker 1: Doug is coming back the way I know he likes
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: to play football, you need at least at one tight end.
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  Speaker 1: If not to, would you draft a quarterback at six?
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: No question? You you can talk about all the holes
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  Speaker 1: you want, but I mean, look, the Indianapolis Colts were
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  Speaker 1: able to cover up so many different holes because they
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: had a quarterback, and a quarterback fills more holes than
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  Speaker 1: just a quarterback position if you get one. And where
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: was Deshaun Watson in ten nine? Ten nine or ten? Right?
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: Seven and eight and like ten they were like they
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  Speaker 1: were all like I think they were both they went
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  Speaker 1: like top five between seven and eleven, and guys, I
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  Speaker 1: want to say Travisky was it like tenth was twelve?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, lucky if I could take get one of
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  Speaker 1: those types. And then Lamar Jackson obviously was he was
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  Speaker 1: late whatever. It was the second last pick in the
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  Speaker 1: first round. So yeah, I mean, I don't think there's
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  Speaker 1: any there's no hesitation on my part. But at six,
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  Speaker 1: you have to know, you have to have really you
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  Speaker 1: have to you have to have a strong feeling this
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  Speaker 1: is the guy, like he's he's a future franchise quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: Do you ever really know? You never know, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, like strong conviction, this is
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  Speaker 1: the guy that can we can play football with for
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  Speaker 1: the next ten years. Yes, take him. Yeah, I would
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  Speaker 1: agree with you. By the way, we talked about this
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  Speaker 1: Monday night and I said the same thing. If that
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  Speaker 1: guy is there, and I haven't done any work on
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  Speaker 1: these guys outside of Joe Burrow watching him play. We
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  Speaker 1: said to uh Id, I probably wouldn't take to it
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  Speaker 1: because of the injury history. And I'm with you too,
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  Speaker 1: same thing. You know how much I watched but two
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  Speaker 1: of the guy to the injuries. I mean, you have
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  Speaker 1: the Herbert guy out in Oregon that people have questions
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  Speaker 1: about big arms. He declared today to think from Washington
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  Speaker 1: to a guy that's a big arm to think about.
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  Speaker 1: When we're talking earlier about uh Andrew Luck. Okay, when
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Grigson drafted him first of all, he did, but
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  Speaker 1: that was a no brainer, No, I mean no brainer right.
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  Speaker 1: But my point of that is is that did Ryan
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  Speaker 1: Grigson have any good drafts after that? T Y Hilton
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  Speaker 1: was a great pick um. He uh, he missed on
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  Speaker 1: a bunch. He missed a lot, and he neglected the
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  Speaker 1: offensive line a bit. Yes, but my point is he
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  Speaker 1: missed on a lot, which which left a lot of holes.
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  Speaker 1: With the cults, which became very apparent when Andrew Luck
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  Speaker 1: wasn't playing for the Colts anymore. So it just goes
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  Speaker 1: to show how many holes at a quarterback, a good
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  Speaker 1: franchise quarterback, he he covers a lot of sins. Let's
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  Speaker 1: go through the playoff picture in the a f C. First,
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  Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens thirteen and two. They've pretty much clinched
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  Speaker 1: it all off field advantage. I mean, I arresting everyone
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  Speaker 1: there might pick to go the whole way to win
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  Speaker 1: it all the way they're playing football right now, I
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  Speaker 1: don't see anybody stopping them. Patriots are right there though
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  Speaker 1: familiar territory for them. They're twelve and three. Here's the
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  Speaker 1: thing I'm with, Jeff. I think the Ravens the best team.
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  Speaker 1: I've said that for a number of weeks now. The
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  Speaker 1: way they play, they have a good defense, They're playing
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  Speaker 1: good football all the way around. I would still sit
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  Speaker 1: here today and tell you I'm picking the new as
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  Speaker 1: long as the Patriots win this week and they get
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  Speaker 1: the number two seed, which is not a guarantee because
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  Speaker 1: if they lose in the Chiefs play, they have the Dolphins.
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  Speaker 1: I believe Dolphins are Jets one of the two Dolphins. Dolphins,
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  Speaker 1: so I think I don't think it's an issue. It's
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  Speaker 1: in New England. I don't see Dolphins going up in
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  Speaker 1: New England win that game. The Patriots, well, we'll have
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  Speaker 1: to go into Baltimore. But the one thing I guarantee you,
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: Bill Belichick will have a plan for Lamar Jackson seeing
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  Speaker 1: him once already and if you go back to that
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  Speaker 1: game in the second and a half, they change made
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  Speaker 1: some adjustments and slowed down Lamar Jackson. That's the team
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  Speaker 1: I'm telling you with Brandy and Belichick playoff football. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: no one gave him a chance to go into Kansas
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  Speaker 1: City last year. Meet Patrick Mahomes and I did that
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  Speaker 1: game and I was right there with the bandwagon. It's Mahomes,
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  Speaker 1: It's Kansas City. There's no way that the Patriots can
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  Speaker 1: keep up. And my goodness, you know what they did.
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  Speaker 1: They beat them. I mean they are And so that's
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  Speaker 1: the one and those three teams though there they're gonna
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: be a lot of fun to watch. The Ravens Patriots Chiefs.
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  Speaker 1: Uh that that's gonna be some really good football. Watch
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  Speaker 1: out for the building the Texans with the play of
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  Speaker 1: their quarterbacks. That's what makes them so special. If I
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  Speaker 1: saw them on Saturday, they're not the same without will Fuller,
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  Speaker 1: they are. I mean, they're not explosive, I know, I know.
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  Speaker 1: But when when Deshaun Watson is playing like he did
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  Speaker 1: against the Jaguars where in London he was dominant, I'll
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: tell you the team dominant first makes the noise in
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: the playoffs, it might shock a couple of people. As
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills, you have their quarterback is crappy, ye,
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  Speaker 1: I disagree with Yeah, it's just strong, but it's but
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  Speaker 1: he's the weakest. Put it this way, the weakest quarterback
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  Speaker 1: in the a f C in the playoffs pretty strong, well,
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  Speaker 1: weaker than Tanny Hill if he gets in. Yeah, Daniel
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  Speaker 1: is getting good man, but weaker than Derek carr I thought,
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  Speaker 1: right now, I take him over Derek carr Um as
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  Speaker 1: a passer you don't like, you would take him over.
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  Speaker 1: I would take him over Duck Hodges. If the Steelers
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  Speaker 1: get into Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's pretty pretty simple
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  Speaker 1: on that one. In the NFC and the Niners, the
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  Speaker 1: Packers are in, the Saints are all twelve and three.
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  Speaker 1: They're in that order right now. Seating currently Eagles at
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  Speaker 1: eight and seven. The wild Cards, the Seahawks and the Vikings.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: That's not that's not. The Seahawks play the uh. The
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  Speaker 1: Seahawks play the forty Niners this week. If the Seahawks
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  Speaker 1: beat the forty Niners, they go to the number two
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: or three seed. Whatever. However, the rest sorts out and
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: the forty Niners will go from the two seed all
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: the way to the five seeds. Quick a big turn.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: And when you have to you have the Cowboys and
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: the Eagles. The Eagles control that. Eagles have to go
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: to New York. Daniel Jones lit up the Redskins. Its downs.
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  Speaker 1: They almost beat the Eagles. They almost beat the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: with Eli Manning in Philly. They gotta go to New York.
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  Speaker 1: I think I don't think that's an easy game, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, and then you have you have the Cowboys
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  Speaker 1: going to Washington. It's it's gonna be a fun weekend.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: Week seventeen in the NFL, the Jaguars get the Indianapolis
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  Speaker 1: Colts here at t i A. Bank Field. We're back
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  Speaker 1: in a moment the Jaguars Radio Network coverage of the
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: Doug Moron Show. After this, Thanks for listening and watching
• 59:27
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