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Ep 1108 | The STUNNING Truth Behind Claims that Trump Tariffs Will Reduce US Deficits EXPOSED | Guests: Dan Andros & Jeff Fisher · Predictable with Stu Burguiere

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  Welcome to the program.
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  Uh,
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  kind of a weird show today in that we had a whole show kind of planned.
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  We're taping on the early side today.
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  Uh,
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  late breaking before we were taping was the news of the Minneapolis shooting.
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  I want to hit a couple of things on that before we get into
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  your normally scheduled program.
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  Uh,
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  2,
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  at least 2 children and,
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  uh,
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  uh,
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  17,
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  uh,
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  2 children were killed,
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  17 injured.
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  Uh,
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  a couple of them are in critical condition.
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  Um,
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  that is what's going on in Minneapolis.
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  This was a shooting at a Catholic
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  church,
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  which also doubles as a school.
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  It happened
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  during,
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  um,
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  a mass where the entire school was there.
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  There's over 300 kids there.
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  If we wind up with
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  two kids,
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  the shooter is also dead,
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  but who cares about him,
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  frankly?
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  If this is where it winds up,
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  it's tragic and horrible.
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  Honestly,
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  it seems like it could have been worse.
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  According to police,
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  this guy was shooting through the windows of the church.
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  It took him a while to get in.
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  There were some barricades that were in his way,
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  and some of the protective measures may have actually.
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  Saved some lives here.
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  He went in around 8:30 a.m. on Wednesday.
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  Now
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  the other part of this that's developing,
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  which is
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  really disturbing and
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  also fascinating,
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  police are investigating whether a 20 minute YouTube video shared
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  on an account hours before the shooting was connected to
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  this particular situation.
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  They identified the guy.
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  I'm not going to give you his name.
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  I will tell you that there are strong indications that he had,
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  he was trans.
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  Again,
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  this is a story we've told over and over again.
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  We'll see if it sticks in this case,
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  uh,
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  but it does seem to be a trend.
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  In the video,
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  a hand slowly turns the pages of a red notebook which is
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  laid out on top of what appears to be schematic gun diagrams.
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  I'm looking at some of the photos
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  or screenshots from this video.
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  There are.
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  Ammunition
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  clips that
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  show written on it,
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  you know,
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  suck on this.
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  Where is your God?
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  I
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  everything you stand for,
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  just awful things.
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  Obviously this person.
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  You know,
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  showing diagrams of the church and how it's laid out,
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  you know what he's going to do.
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  He's putting a knife to the drawings of the church.
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  A video shows diary entries written in both English and Russian.
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  Each page filled with a scrawl,
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  occasional plume of smoke is seen.
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  Videos show an obsession of other mass shooters.
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  Again,
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  this is one of the reasons why we do not use the names of these people,
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  and we will not hear it on this program unless we screw something up.
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  The person.
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  Uh,
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  who died at the scene,
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  um,
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  was armed with a rifle,
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  a shotgun,
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  and a handgun.
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  The shooter,
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  uh,
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  previously not known to law enforcement,
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  um,
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  videos posted to the YouTube,
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  including a semi-automatic rifle and a shotgun,
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  magazines were scrawled with for the children
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  and kill Donald Trump.
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  Now,
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  look,
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  we all know how these things turn out.
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  They're going to try to find some way to make this person tied to the right,
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  no matter who he is.
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  We also will
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  not,
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  you know,
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  that's it's nonsense,
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  but
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  they'll try to do it anyway,
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  and if not,
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  they'll fall back on just the guns are the problem.
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  So we all know how this is going to play out.
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  It's not important right now.
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  What's important right now is the families of these kids and hopefully the survival
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  of many of these children,
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  which really in this scenario will be a miracle.
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  It seems to be a highly planned thing,
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  a highly planned rollout,
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  someone trying to look for notoriety,
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  and hopefully he gets none of it,
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  frankly.
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  Uh,
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  on this,
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  uh,
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  on this program.
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  Um,
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  all right,
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  uh,
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  we're gonna do,
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  we had a show planned on other things.
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  We got some great stuff on the economy.
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  We have Dan Andres,
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  uh,
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  Jeff Fisher gonna join us today,
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  uh,
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  for stuff that's not
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  quite as,
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  uh,
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  awful and serious as this.
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  So we'll get to that here in just a second.
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  Stu does America.
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  All right,
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  well,
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  let's get right into,
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  uh,
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  the economic news.
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  Uh,
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  today.
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  Tariffs will lower deficits by $4 trillion over a decade,
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  says the CBO.
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  Um,
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  this is,
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  uh,
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  from Axios.
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  They say,
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  uh,
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  the CBO director in a blog post said tariff
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  revenue would reduce primary deficits by $3.3 trillion now.
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  This is the claim.
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  Let me just go through this and
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  because I just see a bunch of
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  rhetoric on,
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  on this particular issue that I just
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  want to identify
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  and I want to have us all think about together.
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  We should all think about this together.
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  As of August 19th,
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  we estimate that the effective tariff rate for
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  goods imported into the United States has.
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  Increased by about 18% points when measured against 2024 trade flows.
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  We project that increases in tariffs implemented during the period from January 6,
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  2025 to August 19th
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  would decrease primary deficits,
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  which exclude net allies for interest by $3.3 trillion.
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  The higher tariff persists over the 2035
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  2025 to 2035.
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  Period.
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  Now again,
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  that's assuming that these rates that changed about 15 times
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  are going to seem consistent for an entire decade,
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  but this is what they're saying they're going to reduce
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  the need for federal borrowing.
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  Those tariff collections will also reduce federal outlays
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  for interest by an additional $0.7 trillion.
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  As a result,
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  changes in tariffs will reduce total deficits by $4 trillion altogether.
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  Hard to say how skeptical I am over that particular claim.
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  Now,
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  of course,
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  if tariffs remain in place,
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  there will be more revenue coming into the government.
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  That is a near certainty.
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  That's not a question.
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  Now of course,
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  what we see when we get more revenue into the government is
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  that we tend to spend it all.
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  The fact,
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  the idea
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  that we're not going to come up with a bunch of new program
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  plans that are going to spend all that cash and I'm sure more
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  is to me
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  legitimately laughing.
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  And that's not something that I'm even,
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  you know,
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  it's not,
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  if you might be like,
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  well,
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  I really like tariffs and I really like all this revenue coming in,
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  that's fine,
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  but remember,
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  Donald Trump's not going to be president for 7 of those years.
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  Now,
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  maybe JD Vance will be president for those years and he will cut spending.
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  I,
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  I've got news for you,
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  really skeptical on that.
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  They have not run on that.
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  Uh,
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  the Democrats certainly aren't going to do it.
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  What the Democrats are going to do is say,
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  oh wow,
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  lots of new revenue,
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  how should we spend that?
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  That is how it goes with tax increases and of course
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  this is something you know.
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  That has always been the case.
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  Maybe it'll change this time though.
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  Who knows?
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  A substantial jump in US tariff revenue could be well over $500 billion a year.
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  Does that excite you?
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  Are you excited about that?
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  You might be.
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  You might be.
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  US Treasury Secretary Scott Besson told
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  a White House cabinet meeting that his prior estimate of
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  $300 billion in annual tariff collection rate was too low.
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  We had a substantial jump from July to August,
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  and I think we're going to see a bigger jump from August to September.
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  So I think we'll,
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  we'll all be on our way well over half a trillion dollars,
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  maybe towards a $1 trillion number.
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  Wow,
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  wouldn't that be exciting.
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  The administration,
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  your administration has made a meaningful debt in the budget deficit.
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  Now we will see
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  if that budget deficit
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  remains low,
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  lower.
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  Um,
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  I will say when you bring a bunch of new money in,
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  in theory you could spend that
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  on lowering the deficit,
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  and whether that holds over a long period of time is,
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  is highly questionable,
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  but this is something that we've seen
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  promoted by the left for a very long time.
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  If you increase tax revenues
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  over a short period of time,
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  for sure.
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  You're going to lower
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  deficits if you decide to apply it that way and not just spend it on other things.
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  Tariff revenue would offset the deficit
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  increases triggered by the Republicans' tax cut
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  and spending bill passed this year.
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  CBO estimated this bill would widen the deficit
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  by $3.4 trillion over the next decade.
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  What they're saying there.
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  Is basically we had a big tax cut uh situation that wasn't a tax cut,
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  it was just a continuation of the rates that we
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  passed,
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  but
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  if you compare it to what the rates would have been if we didn't pass that tax cut,
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  We had a $3.4 trillion tax decrease,
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  which we've now
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  increased taxes by more than that.
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  We have more revenue coming in
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  than the tax
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  decrease in the Big Beautiful bill,
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  which I will remind you was not an actual tax decrease,
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  it was
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  just a tax decrease on paper if you would
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  believe the rates would be higher in the future.
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  Yay
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  Who's excited?
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  I know I am.
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  By the way,
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  here's the tariff revenue chart,
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  and it is going up
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  very quickly.
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  Now you might say,
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  well,
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  wait a minute.
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  Is that right?
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  The tariffs are going up.
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  Is that really a tax increase?
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  Well,
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  of course tariffs are taxes.
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  That's what they are.
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  They are tariffs.
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  They are taxes on a very specific
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  thing.
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  That specific thing,
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  by the way,
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  is imported goods.
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  Now those taxes are paid
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  by
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  not foreign governments.
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  They never ever pay any of those taxes.
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  Those taxes are paid by
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  United States companies.
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  That are importing it,
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  that's the technical place it gets paid.
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  Now that does get divided up
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  a little bit
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  if you look at
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  kind of the net if you're going into the economic nerdry,
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  you will find that
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  the US companies do not pay all of that.
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  They pass a large chunk of that on to the population
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  in the United States who pays that in increased prices.
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  We'll get into that here in a moment,
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  but also some of that will also probably be paid
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  by the
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  importing,
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  the exporting companies and.
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  In
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  foreign countries
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  there is a split.
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  I think we covered it before.
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  I don't remember the exact percentages.
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  Early on in a new tariff,
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  typically,
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  especially when it's not settled,
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  typically what happens is
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  more of it gets shouldered by the companies who are bringing it in.
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  It slowly gets to the consumer
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  and we'll get into that here in a moment.
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  Now Scott Bessett knows this.
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  Scott is a pretty smart guy,
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  has been
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  very economically aware for a very long time.
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  He says August 22nd
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  saw a large tariff collection
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  of nearly $23 billion on the day.
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  Which of course if you put that on every day would be a massively large number.
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  He's not saying that,
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  he's just saying that it's a total of August
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  up to $30 billion for the month not yet complete.
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  He says the best part
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  is no consumer price inflation.
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  Since the tariff surge began in April,
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  household goods prices are just up
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  0.7%
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  annualized.
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  Now
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  again.
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  As has been the case with every tariff increase,
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  this does take a little bit of time to move itself into
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  a consumer price index.
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  We have seen some increases,
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  we haven't seen massive ones yet,
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  and I wouldn't expect us to see massive ones,
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  frankly.
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  One thing to remember about this,
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  because there were a lot of scary headlines about
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  how this is going to destroy the economy.
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  It can be wide reaching when these things go down,
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  but remember,
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  imported goods are just 1/10 of our economy.
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  Uh,
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  so that is a significant chunk,
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  right?
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  It can affect other things like we've covered stories before where
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  American companies making American goods in America
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  are buying equipment to make those goods that
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  come from overseas and they're getting taxed there,
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  so.
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  It can affect other
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  goods,
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  and that is a situation that we can all monitor as we go forward,
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  but you don't know
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  the effect of the pricing at this point.
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  It's going to factor in over about 2 years is where you
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  usually it's about 1 year where you get the idea of the effect.
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  I would say 2 years,
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  you're probably outside the window where it's going to matter.
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  And remember this isn't traditional
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  inflation.
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  Um,
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  inflation is,
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  you know,
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  when you're printing money,
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  let's say,
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  and spending money.
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  When you're doing those things,
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  you get inflation that continues to creep up and it
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  becomes a long term problem that builds upon itself.
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  Tariffs don't necessarily do that.
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  It's,
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  it's not technically inflation.
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  It's a price increase.
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  It's usually
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  a one-time price increase that comes in over about a year to 18 months.
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  That is what you normally see out of tariffs,
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  especially when they are
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  on specific industries.
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  It's pretty easy to track them.
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  Before
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  we have seen some price increases.
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  One of the things that's tough about this,
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  and also I think one of the compliments to the Trump administration
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  is a lot of his policies are offsetting
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  other price increases.
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  When you look at it specifically on the things that are affected by tariffs,
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  you do see price increases.
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  They're not massive yet,
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  they're moderate,
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  I would say,
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  but
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  what you're seeing good things like his energy policy,
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  for example,
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  lowering.
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  The prices when it comes to inflation numbers,
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  and they're fighting,
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  they're fighting against each other.
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  There's a war going on between those two moves.
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  Some of the moves Trump is making are really good at helping the economy,
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  helping pricing.
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  Some of them are kind of doing the opposite when it comes to tariffs.
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  There's one group that is studying this basically every week.
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  They are very focused on the effect of
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  tariffs.
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  I'll give you their analysis of this.
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  These are three economists.
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  They say with the tariff announcements,
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  we find that the tariff announcements led to rapid,
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  though still moderate price increases.
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  Imported goods rose by about 4% since early March,
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  or 5%
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  relative to a counterfactual based on pre-tariff trends.
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  That's important
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  because
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  what was happening with Trump's policies before the
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  tariffs is that prices were going down.
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  So his policies are helping.
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  They're helping prices go down.
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  They're helping
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  the economy,
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  at least that's the way I look at it,
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  but
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  Tariffs have now risen 5% over that counterfactual.
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  Domestic goods,
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  this is an important part of this,
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  domestic goods also experience price increases primarily in
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  categories directly affected by tariffs on imports,
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  reflecting competitive pricing behavior rather than net
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  cost pressures alone.
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  When you look at this,
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  this is what you're finding.
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  This happened with washing machines and dryers.
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  Washing machine prices were tariffed,
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  but dryer prices also went up.
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  That's not because necessarily directly of the tariffs,
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  but it was an offsetting part of that.
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  They're
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  obviously combined.
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  A lot of people buy them in sets,
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  in case you didn't happen
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  to know that Chinese goods experience the
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  largest and most persistent price increases.
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  In contrast,
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  goods from Canada and Mexico,
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  where tariffs were perceived as more temporary and less binding,
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  showed smaller adjustments.
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  So
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  I wouldn't expect
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  this to devastate our economy.
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  I wouldn't expect that unless,
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  you know,
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  we really go crazy with these tariffs.
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  I wouldn't expect that.
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  Um,
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  but that's,
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  these are all points on tariffs that you could make,
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  and you might be the type of person that's like,
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  actually I'm much more friendly to these policies than you are,
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  Stu.
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  I think
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  we need them right now.
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  This is the time to do it,
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  and that's fine.
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  But that's actually totally fine.
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  It's just a disagreement,
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  and a lot of people,
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  tariffs have been around for a long time.
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  People have been arguing for them
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  for a long time,
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  sometimes in narrow circumstances,
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  sometimes in very broad ones.
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  And obviously Donald Trump is the president of the United States,
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  he won the election,
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  he likes tariffs.
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  We don't know.
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  I mean the one thing that's going to pause all
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  these revenues coming in could be the court cases.
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  Court cases are winding through the system.
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  Probably a good chance that the main part of these tariffs
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  do get overturned,
• 15:12
  and that does not mean all of them.
• 15:14
  But the main part of them have been justified through
• 15:17
  a law called IEPA,
• 15:19
  I would say are likely to get overturned.
• 15:22
  You'll see Trump,
• 15:23
  and he's been doing this more recently,
• 15:24
  going through studies to raise
• 15:27
  tariffs on other items.
• 15:29
  That is much more legally defensible and probably the next step in this.
• 15:32
  He's going through that process now with the possibility,
• 15:34
  knowing the possibility that the overturning
• 15:37
  of these tariffs could come in the future.
• 15:39
  All that's to say.
• 15:40
  There are reasons to root for tariffs.
• 15:42
  If you think higher tariffs are good,
• 15:44
  you're probably making a an argument that,
• 15:47
  hey,
• 15:47
  this is going to give us manufacturing jobs.
• 15:49
  Now we haven't seen those yet,
• 15:50
  but
• 15:51
  I wouldn't expect to see them yet.
• 15:52
  It's too early to see the effects of these tariffs at this point.
• 15:56
  Certainly if cost pressures aren't built in yet,
• 15:59
  I would argue that it would be odd to
• 16:01
  see that manufacturing jobs have been created yet.
• 16:04
  You also might say,
• 16:05
  hey,
• 16:05
  uh,
• 16:05
  maybe the manufacturing industry.
• 16:07
  There are arguments
• 16:09
  for tariffs.
• 16:10
  However,
• 16:12
  And I just want to make this point as clear as possible
• 16:14
  because we haven't figured out whether these tariff policies have worked yet.
• 16:17
  We can measure that by saying,
• 16:19
  asking the questions,
• 16:20
  have we had new manufacturing jobs in 2 years?
• 16:23
  Have we seen a big increase in the manufacturing industry in the United States
• 16:27
  in,
• 16:27
  let's say 2 years?
• 16:28
  You can judge it then.
• 16:30
  You can argue all sorts of things,
• 16:33
  but one of the arguments being made right now is just simply the fact
• 16:36
  that we're getting more revenue.
• 16:39
  And
• 16:40
  That's not an argument that the policy is working.
• 16:43
  That just is the policy.
• 16:44
  The policy is get more revenue.
• 16:47
  So getting more revenue is just saying the policy exists.
• 16:51
  That's not an argument for it.
• 16:53
  I keep seeing this
• 16:55
  like there's some justification
• 16:57
  of the policy by just the fact that they've collected the taxes.
• 17:00
  Well,
• 17:00
  when you put new taxes on things,
• 17:02
  you get that.
• 17:02
  If we came up with a new tax tomorrow that was like,
• 17:05
  hey,
• 17:05
  we're taxing hot dogs,
• 17:07
  we would get more revenue into the government.
• 17:09
  Would that make it a good policy?
• 17:11
  No,
• 17:12
  it would just mean the policy is in place.
• 17:14
  That's all it would mean.
• 17:16
  Now if we go,
• 17:17
  you can maybe argue if long term if we cut costs and other things,
• 17:20
  we lower taxes in other areas,
• 17:22
  we cut lower spending in other areas,
• 17:24
  maybe over over this 10 year period we really do see a $4 trillion deficit reduction.
• 17:29
  I am highly skeptical of that,
• 17:31
  but if we do,
• 17:33
  You could say maybe at that point that that's true,
• 17:36
  that it's a positive part of the
• 17:38
  policy,
• 17:39
  but just collecting the revenue is just what the policy is.
• 17:43
  The fact that we're getting lots of money
• 17:45
  is just the fact that the policy exists.
• 17:47
  Any tax increase will bring in revenue up to obviously a certain
• 17:52
  point.
• 17:53
  But it's not a slam dunk to say,
• 17:55
  certainly from conservatives,
• 17:57
  to say that we're bringing in more revenue to the government.
• 18:00
  I feel like I'm in a different world sometimes
• 18:03
  with some of the arguments I'm seeing these days.
• 18:06
  There is a limit to the tax increase revenue
• 18:11
  relationship.
• 18:11
  You can raise taxes,
• 18:12
  get more revenue.
• 18:13
  If you raise them too high,
• 18:14
  people stop paying them.
• 18:16
  That is the case.
• 18:17
  You could argue that would be the case if you put 145% tariffs on China.
• 18:21
  You probably don't raise all that much revenue
• 18:23
  because
• 18:25
  they just dry up.
• 18:25
  It's the Laffer curve,
• 18:26
  you know,
• 18:26
  the Laffer curve.
• 18:27
  You've seen the diagram 1 million times.
• 18:30
  Prohibitive tax rates will eventually start decreasing.
• 18:33
  Increasing your tax revenue.
• 18:36
  They describe it this way as drawing the Laffer curve shows at a tax rate of 0%,
• 18:39
  the government would collect no tax revenue
• 18:41
  just as it would at no tax revenue at 100% because
• 18:45
  no one would be willing to work
• 18:46
  for an after-tax wage of zero.
• 18:48
  That's of course true.
• 18:49
  People start avoiding
• 18:50
  these taxes,
• 18:51
  and of course that is happening with tariffs as well,
• 18:53
  but like
• 18:57
  Getting new revenue into the government
• 18:59
  is not something we should be cheering on as conservatives.
• 19:05
  These are arguments made by Barack Obama.
• 19:09
  These are arguments made by Bernie Sanders that a justification in and
• 19:12
  of itself of a policy is more money for government to spend.
• 19:16
  That is not a it might result in good things like
• 19:20
  passing Obamacare might be wonderful because it gives new people new healthcare.
• 19:24
  I don't agree with that analysis,
• 19:25
  but if you just said,
• 19:27
  hey,
• 19:27
  passing Obamacare was great because we raised taxes and got more money.
• 19:30
  That's not a justification for Obamacare.
• 19:33
  The left might say it is.
• 19:34
  I would not.
• 19:35
  The same thing with tariffs here.
• 19:36
  We've got a long road to figure out whether tariffs work or not.
• 19:39
  I've got my skepticism.
• 19:40
  You might love them.
• 19:42
  That's a separate argument from saying
• 19:44
  this talking point of bringing in more money is good.
• 19:47
  We should watch what we're asking for.
• 19:50
  Because
• 19:51
  if we are giving government power to just
• 19:53
  raise money without even a law being passed,
• 19:56
  I think the ramifications of that over time
• 19:59
  will be quite
• 20:00
  negative.
• 20:01
  Rooting for more revenue
• 20:02
  into the government is just rooting for more taxes to be taken out of the economy
• 20:07
  and placed in the pockets of DC bureaucrats.
• 20:10
  And if you want that,
• 20:12
  fine.
• 20:13
  But I can tell you this,
• 20:14
  my whole life,
• 20:15
  we've been arguing against that,
• 20:16
  and if we're gonna change our opinion on it,
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  we should at the very least note
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  the rooting interest
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  One of the things we've been talking about
• 21:42
  recently are some big changes here at the Blaze,
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  and,
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  uh,
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  one of the things you can do uh to get uh
• 21:48
  updated on all of this,
• 21:49
  uh,
• 21:49
  because I mean
• 21:50
  they're pretty significant and they,
• 21:52
  you know,
• 21:53
  Glenn's talked about it on radio
• 21:55
  and,
• 21:55
  uh,
• 21:56
  you know,
• 21:56
  I,
• 21:57
  I will say a lot's coming here in the next uh few
• 21:59
  months and the first part of that is being rolled out today.
• 22:02
  Uh,
• 22:02
  we have a new logo for Blaze Media
• 22:04
  and here it is,
• 22:05
  um,
• 22:07
  I don't know if you can see it yet,
• 22:08
  uh.
• 22:09
  The Blaze Media logo.
• 22:11
  There it is.
• 22:12
  Yeah
• 22:15
  Uh,
• 22:15
  you're listening on podcasts.
• 22:17
  It's basically the Cracker Barrel logo with Glenn as the guy leaning on the barrel.
• 22:21
  I think it works.
• 22:22
  Although it looks,
• 22:23
  it does remind me of Kentucky Fried Chicken for some reason,
• 22:25
  and I can't quite
• 22:26
  place why.
• 22:26
  Let's bring in Dan Andros.
• 22:27
  He's a managing editor at CBN News,
• 22:29
  host
• 22:29
  of CBN's Quick Start podcast,
• 22:31
  which you can subscribe to wherever you get your podcast.
• 22:33
  Dan,
• 22:34
  I,
• 22:34
  I mean,
• 22:34
  what do you think of the new logo?
• 22:35
  I love the new logo.
• 22:37
  I mean,
• 22:37
  Glenn is,
• 22:38
  can we look at it one more?
• 22:39
  time,
• 22:39
  I,
• 22:40
  my only,
• 22:41
  and I think,
• 22:41
  you know,
• 22:41
  I'm just looking out for Glenn here.
• 22:43
  Did they give him little legs?
• 22:45
  He does have very short legs.
• 22:47
  You're,
• 22:47
  yes,
• 22:47
  Glenn's,
• 22:48
  Glenn is tall.
• 22:49
  Glenn is not short.
• 22:51
  Uh,
• 22:51
  he's a pretty tall guy,
• 22:52
  to be fair.
• 22:53
  I mean they,
• 22:53
  they did give him short legs,
• 22:54
  but they also made him thinner.
• 22:56
  So I don't know if,
• 22:57
  uh,
• 22:57
  you know,
• 22:58
  you get that at least true.
• 22:59
  Like he looks like he could fit in the barrel,
• 23:01
  which I mean,
• 23:02
  we,
• 23:02
  you know,
• 23:02
  I mean.
• 23:04
  I mean,
• 23:04
  I guess a barrel could be I'm just gonna stop.
• 23:06
  I'm just gonna stop.
• 23:07
  I got a good idea.
• 23:07
  I mean,
• 23:08
  he's out sick.
• 23:08
  We shouldn't be beating up on him today.
• 23:10
  Uh,
• 23:10
  I wanted to bring you in to talk about the Cracker Barrel thing.
• 23:12
  I have multiple questions on this.
• 23:14
  Uh,
• 23:14
  just in case people haven't had the story yet,
• 23:17
  obviously Cracker Barrel changed their design.
• 23:19
  We have the two logos here.
• 23:20
  We had the initial,
• 23:21
  the original one that's been around forever.
• 23:23
  Uh,
• 23:23
  old Herschel there,
• 23:24
  uh,
• 23:25
  sitting on a chair,
• 23:26
  leaning up against a barrel.
• 23:27
  You got Cracker Barrel,
• 23:28
  uh,
• 23:29
  old country store.
• 23:30
  Their update was basically like kind of the same shape,
• 23:33
  a little modernized of the outer edge of that
• 23:37
  logo and then uh just Cracker Barrel
• 23:40
  uh in generic text
• 23:42
  inside.
• 23:43
  People freaked out about this,
• 23:44
  Dan,
• 23:45
  did you freak out about this?
• 23:46
  I mean,
• 23:47
  I wouldn't say I freaked out.
• 23:49
  I would say,
• 23:49
  I mean,
• 23:50
  I,
• 23:50
  what I think of when I see that logo,
• 23:52
  I mean if you wanna throw that back up there again,
• 23:55
  look at that new logo,
• 23:56
  it is.
• 23:58
  Basically,
• 23:59
  like in Canva,
• 24:00
  if you've ever tried to make a logo and then you click on shapes,
• 24:04
  and there'll be like
• 24:05
  a couple of stock shapes there,
• 24:07
  it looks like they literally just took the color code
• 24:11
  of Cracker Barrel and just grabbed the first shape that was kind of
• 24:15
  something and then just threw their,
• 24:17
  the Cracker Barrel name on there.
• 24:19
  Like that is so bad.
• 24:21
  It's just from a design perspective,
• 24:23
  it's less than zero effort.
• 24:26
  I don't know how,
• 24:27
  and like the minimalist thing,
• 24:28
  like,
• 24:28
  uh,
• 24:29
  doesn't seem like a thing that's in even in style anymore.
• 24:32
  It's like people are going back to more Americana type stuff anyway.
• 24:36
  Like,
• 24:37
  why?
• 24:37
  I mean,
• 24:38
  it's just like,
• 24:38
  and I,
• 24:39
  I can understand if you made like a really cool new looking
• 24:41
  like kind of design that incorporated the barrel in a different way,
• 24:44
  in a sleeker way or something,
• 24:46
  but there's
• 24:47
  no effort here.
• 24:48
  Like this is just
• 24:49
  grab the shape,
• 24:50
  throw it in there.
• 24:51
  And uh call it a day.
• 24:53
  No border,
• 24:53
  no,
• 24:54
  no nothing.
• 24:55
  This is terrible.
• 24:56
  And you know they paid,
• 24:57
  I'm sure some ungodly amount of money to a marketing firm to,
• 25:01
  to come up with this,
• 25:02
  uh,
• 25:03
  and you know,
• 25:03
  you ever,
• 25:03
  I feel like a little bad in that place.
• 25:05
  The marketing firm's not getting any blame for this.
• 25:07
  Like whoever was in there that advised them for this,
• 25:10
  they're just kind of like skating along.
• 25:12
  It's,
• 25:12
  it's all pretty much being thrown at the company and the CEO.
• 25:15
  And they had to sell it.
• 25:16
  I mean,
• 25:17
  can you imagine the pitch?
• 25:17
  Because you don't just go,
• 25:18
  hey,
• 25:18
  I grabbed the,
• 25:19
  uh,
• 25:20
  you know,
• 25:21
  this shape on canva real quick and threw it in there.
• 25:24
  Uh,
• 25:24
  what do you think?
• 25:25
  Like,
• 25:25
  no,
• 25:26
  they had to come up with probably some big rationale.
• 25:28
  Like everyone's going for
• 25:30
  just minute,
• 25:31
  less is more,
• 25:32
  and like they probably came up with some annoying pitch
• 25:35
  and,
• 25:35
  uh,
• 25:35
  won them over with this.
• 25:37
  And they're going,
• 25:37
  oh,
• 25:37
  yeah,
• 25:38
  that sounds great.
• 25:39
  I mean,
• 25:39
  it's just,
• 25:40
  And of course it just
• 25:42
  goes against everything Cracker Barrel.
• 25:45
  I mean,
• 25:45
  it's just
• 25:46
  these are NASCAR type people.
• 25:48
  I mean this is not someone who's gonna be excited about losing.
• 25:53
  The nostalgia of the Cracker Barrel logo logo.
• 25:57
  It is one of those things too you have to
• 25:58
  remind yourself when things you think things are going well,
• 26:01
  especially when you,
• 26:01
  I find this all the time,
• 26:03
  I've seen this happen to so many people,
• 26:04
  when you win a big internal battle at work.
• 26:07
  Oftentimes it winds up burning you and ruining your career,
• 26:10
  because
• 26:11
  if you fight with a bunch of people and you're like,
• 26:12
  I,
• 26:13
  I,
• 26:13
  I want it to be this way,
• 26:14
  it's gotta be this way,
• 26:15
  and you win that battle,
• 26:16
  and it comes out and fails,
• 26:17
  it's all on you.
• 26:18
  So somebody's really getting fired for this,
• 26:20
  I'm sure.
• 26:21
  I want to at least uh draw people's attention to the biggest,
• 26:23
  uh,
• 26:23
  newest update,
• 26:24
  which is
• 26:25
  Cracker Barrel's uh tweet,
• 26:26
  they say,
• 26:26
  we thank our guests for sharing
• 26:28
  your voices
• 26:29
  and love for Cracker Barrel.
• 26:31
  Again,
• 26:31
  the way they write these things is hilarious.
• 26:33
  That's not what people were doing.
• 26:34
  They were pissed off.
• 26:35
  They said,
• 26:36
  we said we would listen,
• 26:37
  and we have.
• 26:37
  Our new logo is going away.
• 26:39
  Our old timer will remain.
• 26:40
  Cracker Barrel has always been and always will be
• 26:43
  about serving up delicious food,
• 26:44
  warm welcomes,
• 26:45
  and the kind of country hospitality that feels like family.
• 26:49
  As a proud American institution,
• 26:51
  our 70,000 hardworking employees look forward
• 26:54
  to welcoming you
• 26:55
  at our table soon.
• 26:56
  So basically they completely folded and backed off on this.
• 26:59
  Yeah.
• 27:00
  Yeah,
• 27:00
  100%.
• 27:01
  And like I think the reason,
• 27:02
  I mean,
• 27:03
  the,
• 27:03
  because do you really care about the Cracker Barrel logo?
• 27:06
  No,
• 27:07
  but what people care about is
• 27:09
  the like there's no excuse now
• 27:12
  for a brand that whose core audience is like the NASCAR audience,
• 27:17
  you know,
• 27:17
  the rural America like.
• 27:19
  Those people,
• 27:21
  that's your safe space from the woke mess,
• 27:24
  right?
• 27:24
  Like you,
• 27:25
  a Cracker Barrel,
• 27:26
  a Chick fil A,
• 27:27
  like,
• 27:28
  places and corporations,
• 27:29
  we get it from
• 27:30
  everyone else.
• 27:32
  And so when it starts to invade.
• 27:35
  Americana brands like a Cracker Barrel,
• 27:37
  you are like,
• 27:38
  that's it.
• 27:39
  That's it.
• 27:40
  I've had it with this dump.
• 27:41
  We're getting out of here,
• 27:42
  and they,
• 27:42
  they just won't take it.
• 27:43
  And so I think that's what was driving the reaction you saw.
• 27:46
  It's not,
• 27:47
  it's not the logo itself.
• 27:48
  I don't think anybody,
• 27:49
  it's not like they so dearly care about the logo.
• 27:51
  It's more
• 27:53
  just the fact that
• 27:54
  the DEI,
• 27:55
  the woke,
• 27:56
  has encroached into what we thought were the sane areas of American life.
• 28:00
  Yeah,
• 28:00
  and you know,
• 28:01
  this is one thing that I've kind of struggled with this story in that.
• 28:04
  Like I,
• 28:05
  I get,
• 28:06
  I get the treatment of a story like this,
• 28:07
  right?
• 28:08
  Bud Light is a Bud Light company.
• 28:09
  It's a,
• 28:10
  you know,
• 28:10
  NASCAR,
• 28:11
  blah blah blah,
• 28:12
  and they,
• 28:13
  they bring in Dylan Mulvaney.
• 28:14
  That's an obvious woke thing.
• 28:16
  This one,
• 28:17
  I don't know,
• 28:18
  it seemed like it was minimalist,
• 28:19
  which I think was a problem.
• 28:20
  I don't think it was a good design choice for them,
• 28:22
  but it didn't seem like I didn't really understand the woke tie to it.
• 28:26
  I,
• 28:26
  I guess some,
• 28:27
  they do have some policies
• 28:28
  internally at Cracker Barrel that some people have outed as a kind of a problem,
• 28:33
  but like going from a guy in a chair
• 28:35
  to a guy,
• 28:36
  a logo without a guy in a chair isn't necessarily awoke change.
• 28:40
  I honestly thought that they had gone to
• 28:41
  like Dylan Mulvaney as their main spokesperson,
• 28:43
  the way people reacted,
• 28:45
  and that's not what happened.
• 28:47
  By the way,
• 28:47
  Dan,
• 28:47
  the other perplexing thing here is
• 28:49
  my thought was,
• 28:50
  OK,
• 28:51
  you've got Cracker Barrel.
• 28:52
  Been around for a long time,
• 28:52
  people know it.
• 28:53
  But like sometimes when people know a place like that,
• 28:56
  it gets stale
• 28:57
  and companies look at us and say,
• 28:59
  gosh,
• 29:00
  our sales are dropping off,
• 29:01
  you know,
• 29:01
  people aren't coming here as much.
• 29:02
  We've got to revitalize this.
• 29:03
  What do we do?
• 29:04
  And that's the type of thing that would lead to a decision like this typically.
• 29:07
  I looked at the Cracker Barrel sales numbers.
• 29:10
  I mean,
• 29:11
  they're actually fine.
• 29:13
  They were up from,
• 29:14
  I think it was $2.5 billion in 2015,
• 29:17
  um,
• 29:17
  went up to about $3 billion
• 29:19
  dropped off to uh during COVID to about like 2.5,
• 29:22
  and have rebounded to I think $3.4 billion last year.
• 29:25
  It's their best sales year ever.
• 29:27
  It's not like it's explosive growth,
• 29:29
  but it's consistent moderate growth.
• 29:32
  I don't know why there's,
• 29:33
  why they even feel the need to do this.
• 29:35
  Yeah,
• 29:35
  and,
• 29:35
  and I think that's where some of the,
• 29:37
  some of that.
• 29:39
  Feeling of perhaps uh being ashamed to be fully embracing the Americana,
• 29:44
  the nostalgia,
• 29:45
  that stuff is like,
• 29:47
  maybe potentially some of what's driving it,
• 29:49
  cause you're right,
• 29:49
  if it's not broke,
• 29:50
  don't fix it.
• 29:50
  Just give me the heart attack on a plate that you give me when I go there in the morning,
• 29:54
  and uh I'm just gonna enjoy it,
• 29:56
  and I'm gonna pay for an overpriced trinket.
• 29:58
  Uh,
• 29:59
  in the shop,
• 29:59
  like,
• 30:00
  like this,
• 30:01
  which I have here at home,
• 30:04
  everyone knows the Cracker Barrel,
• 30:05
  and we all,
• 30:06
  it says on there,
• 30:07
  if you,
• 30:08
  if you leave 4,
• 30:09
  which be honest,
• 30:11
  first couple of times you do it until you get the pattern memorized,
• 30:14
  you've left 4,
• 30:15
  you're just plain,
• 30:17
  you're just plain ignoramus,
• 30:20
  ignoramus,
• 30:22
  and if you leave 3,
• 30:23
  you're just plain dumb.
• 30:25
  Right,
• 30:25
  and of course that's absolutely what you do.
• 30:27
  Um,
• 30:27
  that is,
• 30:28
  by the way,
• 30:28
  the peg game for those listening on podcasts,
• 30:30
  the classic,
• 30:30
  uh,
• 30:31
  as soon as you held that up,
• 30:32
  my first thought was Cracker Barrel,
• 30:34
  and I,
• 30:34
  Cracker Barrel.
• 30:35
  One interesting last part of this,
• 30:36
  Dan,
• 30:36
  is like I think.
• 30:38
  To so many people that reacted in a big way,
• 30:40
  it's because Cracker Barrel has been a part of their lives and kind of like part
• 30:43
  of their childhood and they remember going there and they love the way it is.
• 30:47
  Now I've been to Cracker Barrel,
• 30:48
  I've been to Cracker Barrel,
• 30:49
  I don't know.
• 30:50
  Uh,
• 30:51
  maybe 8 or 10 times in my life,
• 30:53
  right?
• 30:53
  Like once a year I might pull in there and have breakfast
• 30:56
  with the kids.
• 30:57
  I like Cracker Barrel.
• 30:58
  I've enjoyed their food.
• 30:59
  It was not part of my childhood though.
• 31:00
  We,
• 31:01
  we both grew up in the Northeast.
• 31:02
  Uh,
• 31:03
  I don't remember ever seeing one until I was,
• 31:04
  you know,
• 31:05
  uh,
• 31:05
  an adult,
• 31:06
  um,
• 31:07
  so it wasn't part of my childhood.
• 31:08
  Is that part of it?
• 31:09
  Like,
• 31:10
  maybe I,
• 31:11
  I,
• 31:11
  I,
• 31:11
  I'm not as fired up about this because it's just like not my
• 31:14
  particular childhood.
• 31:16
  Yeah,
• 31:16
  I think so.
• 31:17
  I mean,
• 31:17
  of course we grew up together,
• 31:18
  so I also don't remember Cracker Barrel's.
• 31:20
  I mean,
• 31:21
  maybe they just hated America up there in,
• 31:23
  in,
• 31:23
  uh,
• 31:23
  the,
• 31:24
  uh,
• 31:24
  People's Republic of Connecticut where we grew up.
• 31:27
  Uh,
• 31:27
  so yeah,
• 31:28
  no,
• 31:28
  I,
• 31:28
  I mean,
• 31:29
  I just think,
• 31:29
  uh,
• 31:29
  maybe we kind of missed out on it because they didn't really have Chick fil A either,
• 31:33
  you know,
• 31:33
  sort of,
• 31:34
  uh,
• 31:34
  in our area up until recently,
• 31:37
  uh,
• 31:37
  in Connecticut,
• 31:38
  the area we grew up in,
• 31:39
  in Connecticut,
• 31:39
  and,
• 31:40
  and another side note on that,
• 31:41
  Stu,
• 31:41
  is I just was thinking back on
• 31:44
  restaurants we went out to and.
• 31:46
  You know,
• 31:46
  they're on the shoreline in Connecticut,
• 31:48
  my parents would go to Fishtail,
• 31:49
  and we all hated,
• 31:50
  my brothers and I hated seafood,
• 31:51
  so my parents would get us McDonald's and leave us in the car,
• 31:55
  and they'd go in and eat
• 31:57
  their fancy seafood dinner,
• 31:59
  and they just,
• 31:59
  they just left us when we were probably like 6,
• 32:01
  and they're just like,
• 32:02
  here,
• 32:02
  take your nuggets,
• 32:03
  don't go anywhere.
• 32:04
  Um,
• 32:05
  and,
• 32:05
  uh,
• 32:06
  but they leave us there and it's like,
• 32:08
  we didn't go out to eat a lot when we were younger.
• 32:10
  I don't know.
• 32:11
  I feel like culture has really shifted to where it's.
• 32:15
  Way more common to eat out way more times than we used to.
• 32:19
  I mean,
• 32:19
  like,
• 32:20
  going out to eat was like,
• 32:21
  we'd go to Pizza Hut.
• 32:22
  I mean,
• 32:22
  it was like the highlight of my year.
• 32:24
  We'd go to Pizza Hut or something.
• 32:26
  Yeah,
• 32:26
  it's interesting.
• 32:26
  I,
• 32:27
  thinking back,
• 32:28
  I don't,
• 32:28
  I mean,
• 32:29
  we,
• 32:29
  I went out to eat occasionally.
• 32:30
  Like I,
• 32:30
  I,
• 32:30
  I remember occasionally doing like breakfasts out,
• 32:33
  you know,
• 32:33
  at certain,
• 32:34
  uh,
• 32:34
  little like breakfast spots
• 32:36
  on the weekends with my dad or my mom.
• 32:38
  Uh,
• 32:38
  but like I don't,
• 32:39
  it,
• 32:39
  it was not frequent.
• 32:40
  Like maybe we'd order a pizza every once in a while,
• 32:42
  you know,
• 32:43
  maybe you hit a McDonald's or Subway or something like that,
• 32:45
  but it wasn't.
• 32:46
  I,
• 32:46
  I do feel like my kids are freaking spoiled on that.
• 32:49
  Like we're,
• 32:50
  I mean,
• 32:50
  and when I say spoiled,
• 32:51
  it's like we're too lazy to cook basically,
• 32:53
  so we take them out a lot,
• 32:55
  but that is interesting,
• 32:55
  and I,
• 32:56
  and I,
• 32:56
  by the way,
• 32:57
  must,
• 32:58
  uh,
• 32:58
  commend Phil and Linda's parenting there,
• 33:01
  uh.
• 33:01
  I,
• 33:01
  I bet their dinners were much more enjoyable with the three of you in a car,
• 33:05
  uh,
• 33:05
  eating McDonald's than,
• 33:07
  uh,
• 33:07
  indoors
• 33:08
  with them.
• 33:08
  So I,
• 33:09
  I,
• 33:09
  I kind of like the approach.
• 33:10
  I'm thinking about trying it out myself.
• 33:12
  Yeah,
• 33:13
  yeah,
• 33:13
  you'll have to call him up and ask for,
• 33:14
  uh,
• 33:14
  strategies on that.
• 33:16
  I will,
• 33:16
  Dan Andros,
• 33:17
  managing editor of CBN News,
• 33:19
  uh,
• 33:19
  be sure to check him out on CBN's Quick Start podcast.
• 33:21
  It's great.
• 33:22
  Uh,
• 33:22
  head over
• 33:23
  and subscribe today.
• 33:23
  Dan,
• 33:24
  thanks for coming on.
• 33:25
  All right,
• 33:25
  thanks too.
• 33:37
  Joined once again by
• 33:38
  Jeff Fisher.
• 33:39
  Jeffy is here,
• 33:40
  host of Chewing the Fat right here on Blaze TV Blaze Radio Network.
• 33:44
  Jeffy,
• 33:44
  thanks so much for coming on,
• 33:45
  man.
• 33:45
  Appreciate it.
• 33:46
  Oh,
• 33:46
  you're welcome,
• 33:46
  Stu.
• 33:46
  It's good to see you.
• 33:47
  Yeah,
• 33:47
  uh,
• 33:48
  I appreciate that.
• 33:49
  I appreciate your obvious sincerity when you say something like that.
• 33:52
  Oh,
• 33:52
  I'm
• 33:52
  happy to be here.
• 33:56
  OK,
• 33:56
  uh,
• 33:57
  so
• 33:57
  you don't have to
• 33:59
  necessarily make it feel that way,
• 34:00
  but I wanted to bring you on because I,
• 34:02
  uh,
• 34:02
  was looking at,
• 34:03
  and it's something that you're very familiar with,
• 34:05
  crime,
• 34:06
  and,
• 34:06
  uh,
• 34:07
  you've committed many of them,
• 34:09
  uh,
• 34:10
  in many of these cities.
• 34:11
  I'm against violent crime.
• 34:15
  So in certain circumstances you're against it.
• 34:18
  OK,
• 34:18
  yes,
• 34:19
  OK,
• 34:19
  certain circumstances.
• 34:20
  Most of your crimes though,
• 34:21
  nonviolent ability.
• 34:23
  These are,
• 34:24
  uh,
• 34:24
  the highest crime rates overall.
• 34:25
  OK,
• 34:26
  10 cities,
• 34:27
  highest crime rates.
• 34:27
  10 crime rates cities.
• 34:29
  Yeah,
• 34:29
  and to show you,
• 34:30
  we've been talking about the disaster that is Washington DC here for,
• 34:33
  for many weeks,
• 34:34
  um.
• 34:35
  In 10th place is Washington DC.
• 34:38
  That's this list on this list.
• 34:39
  Is that now though?
• 34:41
  That doesn't include the most recent the last couple of weeks with Trump involved.
• 34:45
  This is leading thought they were higher than that
• 34:47
  prior to the Trump takeover.
• 34:49
  Yeah,
• 34:49
  no,
• 34:50
  I mean 10th is not good.
• 34:51
  You don't want to be on this list at all,
• 34:52
  but it is,
• 34:53
  you know,
• 34:54
  last on the list.
• 34:54
  926 per 1,000,000 is the rate,
• 34:58
  um,
• 34:59
  and that's of course Muriel Bowser,
• 35:00
  who is a Democrat,
• 35:01
  we should note.
• 35:03
  Then Denver is 9th,
• 35:04
  uh,
• 35:04
  993,
• 35:07
  uh,
• 35:07
  per.
• 35:08
  Nashville,
• 35:08
  Tennessee is next in eighth place.
• 35:11
  1,124 violent crimes per 100,000 people.
• 35:15
  I didn't think that about Nashville.
• 35:17
  Yeah,
• 35:17
  I know.
• 35:17
  I mean,
• 35:18
  I know the number 1 city because I saw this the other day,
• 35:21
  uh,
• 35:22
  but I,
• 35:22
  I,
• 35:23
  I didn't see the full list,
• 35:24
  but I saw the number 1 city
• 35:26
  and I thought,
• 35:26
  yeah,
• 35:26
  that makes sense.
• 35:27
  Yeah,
• 35:27
  everyone talks about it.
• 35:28
  We'll get to it here in a second,
• 35:29
  but yeah,
• 35:29
  Nashville is.
• 35:31
  You think of it as a big,
• 35:31
  big up and coming city.
• 35:33
  Lots of people are moving there,
• 35:34
  you know,
• 35:34
  after COVID,
• 35:35
  big,
• 35:35
  uh,
• 35:36
  we have studios up there.
• 35:37
  A lot of people wanted to go there.
• 35:39
  I've been there for,
• 35:40
  you know,
• 35:40
  travel just for fun and stuff.
• 35:42
  It's a fun city,
• 35:43
  a lot going on.
• 35:44
  But a lot of this,
• 35:45
  I think,
• 35:45
  Jeffy,
• 35:45
  is
• 35:47
  there's like these cordoned off areas,
• 35:49
  right?
• 35:49
  Like the,
• 35:49
  the,
• 35:50
  the main drag is fine.
• 35:52
  You know,
• 35:52
  I,
• 35:52
  I will say if you're in Nashville,
• 35:54
  it,
• 35:54
  it's Nash Vegas,
• 35:55
  and there's a bunch of bachelorettes vomiting on you.
• 35:58
  But other than that,
• 35:58
  it's,
• 35:59
  it's relatively fine.
• 36:00
  I mean,
• 36:00
  even years ago,
• 36:01
  I remember traveling to Saint Louis
• 36:03
  and,
• 36:04
  uh,
• 36:04
  you know,
• 36:04
  flying into,
• 36:05
  I flew in for a football game and it was just in and out
• 36:08
  and it land at the airport.
• 36:10
  You take the train downtown.
• 36:12
  There
• 36:13
  and you'd start looking at the guy says,
• 36:15
  don't
• 36:15
  just
• 36:16
  stay here,
• 36:18
  stay here,
• 36:18
  right,
• 36:19
  right,
• 36:19
  and that's the issue.
• 36:21
  There's a,
• 36:21
  there's a bunch of no go zones
• 36:23
  and that's what these mayors have all seemingly done.
• 36:26
  Um,
• 36:26
  Houston is actually on this list next.
• 36:28
  Uh,
• 36:29
  then Albuquerque,
• 36:30
  New Mexico,
• 36:30
  which,
• 36:31
  uh,
• 36:31
  I,
• 36:31
  I think of only two things in Albuquerque.
• 36:34
  First of all,
• 36:34
  they must have a big crystal meth problem,
• 36:36
  uh,
• 36:36
  thinking of Walter White and Breaking Bad.
• 36:38
  And then the Weird Al song Albuquerque is the other thing I think of,
• 36:40
  which is less,
• 36:41
  well,
• 36:41
  who doesn't think of that?
• 36:44
  It's,
• 36:44
  it's a,
• 36:44
  it's an 11 minutes you will always love,
• 36:47
  uh,
• 36:48
  and it,
• 36:48
  who does it?
• 36:49
  I honestly,
• 36:50
  I don't know that I've heard Albuquerque by,
• 36:52
  uh,
• 36:52
  I want you on your way home.
• 36:54
  To see if you can get through the whole thing.
• 36:55
  It is like 11 minutes long.
• 36:56
  It's fantastic.
• 36:57
  Great story.
• 36:58
  I think you'll appreciate it.
• 36:59
  Uh,
• 37:00
  then Milwaukee,
• 37:01
  which I actually wouldn't have thought Milwaukee was on this list,
• 37:03
  but that's,
• 37:03
  uh,
• 37:03
  up there.
• 37:04
  Then we've got,
• 37:05
  uh,
• 37:05
  Kansas City,
• 37:07
  Baltimore.
• 37:08
  Again,
• 37:09
  The Wire.
• 37:10
  Those are references that point you to the fact
• 37:12
  that we all know these are crime ridden cities.
• 37:14
  This is another great,
• 37:15
  uh,
• 37:16
  show that was,
• 37:17
  uh,
• 37:18
  featured Baltimore.
• 37:19
  Oh yeah,
• 37:19
  I know.
• 37:19
  Homicide Life on the Street.
• 37:23
  It's like we have so,
• 37:24
  we could do episodes till the end of time.
• 37:27
  We don't have to make anything up.
• 37:29
  There's no fiction we need here in this city.
• 37:31
  Baltimore is there.
• 37:32
  That is,
• 37:33
  uh,
• 37:33
  let's see,
• 37:33
  1 to 3 is Baltimore.
• 37:36
  Now you,
• 37:36
  you've seen this list already.
• 37:37
  I,
• 37:38
  I,
• 37:38
  I,
• 37:38
  I assume you know we're coming.
• 37:39
  Yeah,
• 37:39
  I know number 1.
• 37:40
  I would have,
• 37:41
  of course,
• 37:42
  before starting this,
• 37:43
  thought number 1 would be
• 37:45
  what is actually number 2,
• 37:46
  Detroit.
• 37:47
  Now Detroit has had lots of problems.
• 37:48
  Detroit has gone through a transition though.
• 37:50
  I was talking to Sarah Gonzalez
• 37:52
  about,
• 37:52
  and I don't know if you saw her documentary from a year or two ago,
• 37:55
  but she went up there.
• 37:56
  It was on voting rights,
• 37:57
  and she,
• 37:57
  she came back,
• 37:57
  she's like,
• 37:58
  Detroit was incredible.
• 38:00
  Downtown's like so clean and nice.
• 38:01
  I remember they had,
• 38:02
  they had the NFL draft there a couple of years ago.
• 38:04
  It was gorgeous.
• 38:04
  Everybody,
• 38:05
  the whole world was there.
• 38:06
  Yeah,
• 38:06
  they've really done a good job
• 38:08
  in that.
• 38:08
  Very tiny area making it really enjoyable.
• 38:11
  They dumped money into it and they have seemingly fixed that area up,
• 38:14
  but
• 38:15
  go to the wrong one and
• 38:15
  and it's still don't go over there.
• 38:18
  If you make a right down that road,
• 38:19
  turn around quick.
• 38:20
  Yeah,
• 38:20
  don't ever take a right on that road.
• 38:22
  Turn around,
• 38:22
  U-turn.
• 38:23
  Uh,
• 38:23
  number one is you mentioned,
• 38:25
  we mentioned Nashville earlier,
• 38:27
  Memphis,
• 38:28
  kind of this has been tough for,
• 38:29
  I mean they've been.
• 38:30
  Bad for a long time.
• 38:32
  I,
• 38:33
  I don't know.
• 38:33
  I think people are still upset that Elvis is dead,
• 38:36
  and,
• 38:36
  uh,
• 38:37
  you know,
• 38:38
  really,
• 38:38
  yeah,
• 38:38
  maybe they're protecting Graceland.
• 38:40
  Maybe people are trying to,
• 38:41
  you know,
• 38:41
  storm Graceland.
• 38:42
  I don't know.
• 38:43
  You don't know.
• 38:43
  I don't know the answer,
• 38:44
  and you don't know much about crime because you're just such an upstanding citizen,
• 38:47
  uh,
• 38:47
  here in this.
• 38:47
  I will say this,
• 38:48
  uh,
• 38:49
  you know,
• 38:49
  I was looking at,
• 38:50
  uh,
• 38:51
  the top.
• 38:52
  Cities because I was thinking they're all Democratic mayors.
• 38:55
  Yeah,
• 38:55
  they are.
• 38:56
  I think they are all,
• 38:56
  all of them are.
• 38:57
  Well,
• 38:58
  no,
• 38:58
  uh,
• 38:59
  no,
• 38:59
  uh,
• 39:00
  I was looking at the top 11 cities in the country.
• 39:03
  Uh,
• 39:04
  9 of the 11 are Democrat.
• 39:07
  Uh,
• 39:08
  number 11 is Honolulu,
• 39:10
  Hawaii,
• 39:11
  which is an,
• 39:11
  he's an independent.
• 39:13
  Oh yeah,
• 39:13
  but of course a Democrat.
• 39:14
  They just,
• 39:14
  it's just a nonpartisan election.
• 39:16
  I forget what,
• 39:17
  where the rank is,
• 39:18
  but is Dallas,
• 39:19
  Texas,
• 39:20
  uh,
• 39:20
  is a Republican.
• 39:23
  But that guy
• 39:24
  just changed from Democrat.
• 39:27
  Yeah,
• 39:27
  it's it's it's amazing.
• 39:29
  If you continue to bang your head against the wall
• 39:31
  over and over and over again by electing Democrats,
• 39:33
  this is what you get.
• 39:35
  Yes,
• 39:35
  absolutely.
• 39:36
  Yeah.
• 39:37
  Last one before we go,
• 39:38
  you,
• 39:38
  you of course are host of Chewing the Fat.
• 39:40
  Uh,
• 39:40
  you were,
• 39:41
  I,
• 39:41
  I pulled you out of your studio as you were,
• 39:43
  uh,
• 39:43
  taping the most recent episode to come in.
• 39:45
  I'm here for you.
• 39:46
  I appreciate that.
• 39:47
  You had a story though,
• 39:48
  uh,
• 39:49
  that,
• 39:50
  that was quite interesting.
• 39:51
  Well,
• 39:51
  I'm a little concerned actually.
• 39:52
  I,
• 39:52
  I talked about it,
• 39:53
  uh,
• 39:54
  and I will talk about it on today's chewing the Fat.
• 39:56
  I'm a little concerned because there are,
• 39:59
  uh,
• 40:00
  Well,
• 40:00
  there's zombie spiders,
• 40:01
  uh,
• 40:02
  starting to infect the world.
• 40:03
  Stu,
• 40:04
  zombie spiders,
• 40:05
  zombie spiders are sport,
• 40:06
  are starting to infect the world,
• 40:08
  and,
• 40:08
  uh,
• 40:08
  they've now been found in,
• 40:10
  uh,
• 40:11
  uh,
• 40:11
  3 other countries.
• 40:12
  They were originally,
• 40:13
  remember,
• 40:13
  I think
• 40:14
  3 or 4 years ago they were in Ireland,
• 40:17
  and,
• 40:17
  uh,
• 40:18
  of course,
• 40:18
  as we all remember.
• 40:20
  Yeah,
• 40:20
  well,
• 40:20
  we talked about it.
• 40:21
  You listened to chewing the fat episode,
• 40:22
  of course.
• 40:23
  I never miss one.
• 40:23
  Yeah.
• 40:24
  And so,
• 40:24
  uh,
• 40:24
  now they're,
• 40:25
  they've been found,
• 40:26
  uh,
• 40:26
  in the United States,
• 40:27
  in the UK,
• 40:28
  and in New Zealand.
• 40:30
  And now there's,
• 40:30
  that means they're starting to spread around.
• 40:32
  They are.
• 40:33
  This is,
• 40:33
  could this be the new COVID?
• 40:35
  It's possible.
• 40:36
  It's very possible.
• 40:37
  What,
• 40:37
  what,
• 40:37
  I,
• 40:38
  why are they calling them zombie spiders?
• 40:39
  What I don't they,
• 40:40
  they,
• 40:40
  uh,
• 40:41
  they act weird
• 40:43
  and then they dry up and die,
• 40:45
  and then their spores infect the other spiders.
• 40:47
  So as of right now.
• 40:50
  As humans,
• 40:51
  we don't have to worry about it.
• 40:53
  Right,
• 40:54
  that's what they always say.
• 40:55
  I know,
• 40:56
  I know.
• 40:56
  So just,
• 40:57
  so,
• 40:58
  you know,
• 40:58
  people to
• 40:59
  keep an eye out and
• 41:00
  be careful of zombie spiders.
• 41:01
  Well,
• 41:01
  if you happen to find a zombie spider on your property,
• 41:04
  the safe thing to do is to mail it to Jeffy Fisher.
• 41:07
  Care of the blaze.
• 41:08
  That would be great.
• 41:08
  Thank you.
• 41:08
  Yeah,
• 41:08
  yeah,
• 41:10
  happily accepted.
• 41:11
  Doing lots of research on them as we speak.
• 41:13
  Uh,
• 41:13
  you can get,
• 41:14
  by the way,
• 41:14
  quality
• 41:15
  research like this on chewing the fat,
• 41:17
  uh,
• 41:17
  all the time.
• 41:18
  Uh,
• 41:18
  you don't miss an episode.
• 41:20
  Uh,
• 41:20
  it is available on really wherever you get your podcasts.
• 41:23
  Wherever.
• 41:24
  Are you charging for that thing yet?
• 41:25
  Is it still free?
• 41:26
  You know,
• 41:26
  Sue,
• 41:26
  I have worked my
• 41:28
  butt off to keep this show free,
• 41:30
  really,
• 41:31
  and it's,
• 41:31
  as of right now,
• 41:32
  if you were to go and subscribe
• 41:34
  right now,
• 41:34
  it's free.
• 41:35
  But that might not be the case tomorrow.
• 41:37
  I can't promise that.
• 41:38
  No,
• 41:38
  you can't.
• 41:39
  At any point it could be 100,
• 41:40
  200,
• 41:41
  300 bucks a month.
• 41:42
  So get on,
• 41:43
  get in now.
• 41:44
  Subscribe now.
• 41:46
  Gosh,
• 41:46
  that's a good sell.
• 41:47
  By the way,
• 41:47
  Studios America,
• 41:48
  thinking about,
• 41:48
  if you subscribe now,
• 41:49
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• 41:51
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• 41:51
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• 41:53
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• 41:53
  right?
• 41:54
  Uh,
• 41:54
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• 41:55
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• 41:57
  uh,
• 41:57
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• 42:01
  Uh,
• 42:01
  Jeffy,
• 42:02
  I appreciate it,
• 42:02
  man.
• 42:02
  Thanks for coming on.
• 42:14
  It's going to be a lot coming up in the next few days on this Minneapolis shooting.
• 42:18
  The person who did it,
• 42:21
  I mean,
• 42:21
  every indication is they were a trans individual
• 42:25
  that,
• 42:26
  uh,
• 42:26
  you know,
• 42:27
  certainly had,
• 42:27
  I'm sure,
• 42:28
  the share of mental problems that you'd expect from this particular situation.
• 42:32
  Also horrible threats against Jews and Christians and children and
• 42:40
  you know,
• 42:40
  all sorts of different groups.
• 42:43
  Um,
• 42:44
  you know,
• 42:44
  I,
• 42:46
  it's just awful.
• 42:46
  It's really an awful situation.
• 42:48
  And of course already you're getting people on the left being like,
• 42:50
  prayers aren't enough,
• 42:52
  prayer.
• 42:52
  Look,
• 42:53
  prayers are not supposed to be to make your life perfect.
• 42:55
  That's not what they do.
• 42:56
  I mean,
• 42:57
  maybe eternally they do,
• 42:58
  but their life on earth is not going to be perfect.
• 43:00
  It's not supposed to be.
• 43:01
  It doesn't mean you don't pray.
• 43:02
  It doesn't mean that it's not an important part of the solution.
• 43:05
  Um,
• 43:05
  but
• 43:06
  it's something that you just really,
• 43:07
  you really learn a lot about people when they,
• 43:09
  when they degrade them.
• 43:10
  You really do.
• 43:11
  Uh,
• 43:12
  people who claim to be faithful,
• 43:13
  and prayers aren't enough.
• 43:14
  Oh yeah,
• 43:14
  but your,
• 43:15
  your stupid laws are.
• 43:16
  And,
• 43:17
  and by the way,
• 43:17
  a very democratic,
• 43:19
  uh,
• 43:19
  area,
• 43:20
  uh,
• 43:20
  in a democratic state,
• 43:22
  uh,
• 43:22
  but sure,
• 43:23
  let's,
• 43:23
  uh,
• 43:23
  let's,
• 43:24
  let's blame the laws.
• 43:24
  All right,
• 43:25
  um,
• 43:25
  we'll have more on this certainly tomorrow on radio
• 43:28
  and back here on Pseudos America tomorrow.