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The Little Old Lady Killer - El Mataviejitas · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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Speaker 1: There is often a pattern in how serial killers strike
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Speaker 1: or in the victims that they choose, whether it be
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Speaker 1: sex workers, children, or in this case, the elderly. This
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Speaker 1: is the case known as El Madaviachitis, translated to English
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Speaker 1: the Little old Lady Killer. It is one of Mexico's
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Speaker 1: most prolific serial killer cases, with a twist that authorities
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Speaker 1: never saw coming. My name is Ben and.
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Speaker 2: I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked and Grim.
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Speaker 1: A true crime podcasting. The following podcast and material intended
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Speaker 1: for a mature audience. Listener discretion is advised. Just opening
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Speaker 1: my drink here, don't mind me. It's coffee.
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Speaker 2: You're warm coffee. I'm drinking a nice coffee. Nice.
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Speaker 1: I love coffee. I don't know if I could live
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Speaker 1: without it. I don't drink it for the caffeine. It's
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Speaker 1: just like a nice, warm hug.
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Speaker 2: And I love that it helps, though, doesn't it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't really help me all that much.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure it helps many people, and I'm sure it
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Speaker 1: might help me in small ways that I don't really notice.
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Speaker 1: It's just I don't know, it's just nice. It's just nice,
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Speaker 1: like when you're like super warm and like that cold
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Speaker 1: glass of water just hits, right, Yeah, Like that's how
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Speaker 1: coffee just hits in the morning.
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Speaker 2: It's like, ah, yes, well that's why I'm drinking an
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Speaker 2: ice coffee. Well, I don't drink coffee, but I occasionally
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Speaker 2: would drink ice. And I went to the gym this morning,
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Speaker 2: so I don't really feel like a warm beverage.
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Speaker 1: Understandable. Understandable. Your body temperature is already up there because
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Speaker 1: you're moving, you're working, you're doing your thing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was lifting some heavy weights to job.
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Speaker 1: Good on you. I probably won't be doing any drinks
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Speaker 1: on the show here for a little bit. I'm on
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Speaker 1: a drought where I decided I'm not going to be
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Speaker 1: drinking for a little while.
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Speaker 2: So nothing wrong with that.
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Speaker 1: No, there's not so, But I just want to note,
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Speaker 1: because I'm sure there's many of you out there. When
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Speaker 1: we do open a drink in the show, you have
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Speaker 1: a drink of water, coffee, whatever it is. That's cool too.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm not drinking because I found myself drinking
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Speaker 1: a little too much recently. My weights, I'm starting to
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Speaker 1: go up in a little bit weight. I want to
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Speaker 1: lose some weight. And my family has a history of
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Speaker 1: high blood pressure, and I'm starting to get headaches which
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Speaker 1: might be related. So yeah, it's dietary reasons. I'm starting
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Speaker 1: to cut things back.
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Speaker 2: Just stepping back and reflecting on what you can change.
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Speaker 1: Eh, well exactly, And so there will be some more
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Speaker 1: drinks in the show, but there will always be drinks
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Speaker 1: on the show. Yeah, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I often, I would say, like half the time,
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Speaker 2: I'm probably not drinking an alcoholic beverage.
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Speaker 1: I would say, so every other drinking alcohol is that.
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Speaker 2: We like when we're doing our shows. I often will
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Speaker 2: not have an alcoholic bevera. It's usually me, yeah, like
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Speaker 2: I have tea or I have other weird drinks. I
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Speaker 2: drink a lot of weird drinks. I think you've mentioned
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Speaker 2: that before. Yes you do, but I just like I
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Speaker 2: like flavored drinks.
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Speaker 1: That's okay, you do, you judge, not right, we did. Actually,
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Speaker 1: I really wanted to drink the other day because we
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Speaker 1: just finished taxes. Yeah, a lot of that stress stuff
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Speaker 1: out the window. So it was like, I don't know,
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Speaker 1: a day or two ago, we just finally utter taxes submitted, which.
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Speaker 2: Is real early for us. I think we deserve a
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Speaker 2: big pad on the back for that, no.
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Speaker 1: Kidding, but it's it's I mean, we've been just go, go, go, NonStop,
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Speaker 1: and so thankfully that's off our shoulders and I feel
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Speaker 1: like a massive weight has just been lifted. So I'm
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Speaker 1: happy that's done.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Taxes suck, it does, especially owning your own business.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: Well, and the fact that you just have to do
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Speaker 2: it every year, right, I think so much to ask
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Speaker 2: of a person, but I don't.
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Speaker 1: Know, I get it, but it also it sucks. But
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Speaker 1: also tax process just I don't know, it could be
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Speaker 1: much more efficient.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
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Speaker 1: Anyways, that aside, we do have a patron to thank
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Speaker 1: this week. Who do we got so Sherry Swain signed
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Speaker 1: up over on Patreon getting that exclusive behind the scenes content,
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Speaker 1: the extra episode, all that good, good good stuff.
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Speaker 2: Nice.
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Speaker 1: So thank you Sherry very much. We appreciate it, we
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Speaker 1: sure do. If you want to join us over on Patreon,
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Speaker 1: link is down below. They got some information recently that
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Speaker 1: we will be sharing with you guys soon. But they
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Speaker 1: got that behind the scenes info, the heads up, and
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Speaker 1: they know stuff, let's put it that way.
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Speaker 2: They know they know stuff, and honestly, they know stuff
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Speaker 2: sometimes at the very same time as me.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and me, because it's like I just think of, like, hey,
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Speaker 1: maybe I should talk about it with you.
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Speaker 2: We'll do like pre shows. And Ben's like, I haven't
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Speaker 2: talked in a cool both this yet, but yeah, it's like, okay, I.
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Speaker 1: Would just throw it out there, which we could throw
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Speaker 1: it out there on this episode, might as well on
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Speaker 1: the exact thing you're talking about. We're coming up on
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Speaker 1: our two hundredth episodes soon, so we're planning on doing
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Speaker 1: something big with that. We just don't know yet basically,
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Speaker 1: So that was kind of the wild. Yeah, we threw
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Speaker 1: out some ideas, but those ideas we won't share until
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Speaker 1: you're concrete.
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Speaker 2: Cool. So what do you offer us today?
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Speaker 1: I have a Spanish case where I am going to
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Speaker 1: butcher a lot of names. That's what I have for you.
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Speaker 2: Well, honestly, your introduction you did well.
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Speaker 1: It took me several takes, multiple practices of that title.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm just I'm not Spanish Spanish speaking, so
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Speaker 1: I want to apologize in advance. It is not my tongue.
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Speaker 1: I am Canadian. I say a and putin. I know
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Speaker 1: how to say that, but I do not know how
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Speaker 1: to say Spanish words.
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Speaker 2: But you're gonna try your best, and that's all that matters,
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Speaker 2: right exactly.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I have a feeling that there's gonna be
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Speaker 1: some people out there right now arguing with me on
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Speaker 1: how to say poutin. It is poutin, not poutine.
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Speaker 2: I say poutine.
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Speaker 1: I generally say poutine just I was repping Canadian pronunciation,
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Speaker 1: so I had to say it right. Yeah. Anyways, moving on,
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Speaker 1: we are going to get into this case. It is
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Speaker 1: an interesting ride. So we are discussing one of Mexico's
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Speaker 1: most prolific serial killers. And while I was researching and
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Speaker 1: writing this case, I had two different options on how
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Speaker 1: I was going to write this. Okay, okay, So option
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Speaker 1: one I hid a major piece of the case and
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Speaker 1: reveal it when authorities also discovered it because I said
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Speaker 1: there was a big plot twist, right.
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Speaker 2: Right, you did?
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Speaker 1: Or two, I tell you that information up front so
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Speaker 1: you have the opportunity to look back or look at
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Speaker 1: it with another perspective, knowing this key detail as we
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Speaker 1: go through the case. So I struggled with that a
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Speaker 1: little bit, knowing which way to write this I opted for.
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Speaker 2: Which one do you think, Oh, I'm going to say
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Speaker 2: the first option?
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Speaker 1: I opted for Option two, shit.
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Speaker 2: I knew it was option two, but you would generally
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Speaker 2: pick option one.
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Speaker 1: So generally I do. Generally I do, but I don't
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Speaker 1: want to tell every story the same. I think it's
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Speaker 1: very interesting to look at this story with the information
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Speaker 1: up front, knowing this key piece of information, because it
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Speaker 1: changes everything on how you perceive the case. Okay, So
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Speaker 1: I think that insight is quite beneficial for this one.
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Speaker 1: So that's why I chose to tell this story a
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Speaker 1: bit different. Okay, So this case, I'll tell you right
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Speaker 1: now that piece of information. Now, I told you it's
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Speaker 1: known as the Little Old Lady Killer and the perpetrator
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Speaker 1: was Mexico's first female serial killer. That is the big
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Speaker 1: piece of information. Female serial killer. That is major, major,
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Speaker 1: big person.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So women make up about only fifteen percent of serial killers,
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Speaker 1: so this played a very big role in the investigation
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Speaker 1: and how the story played out.
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Speaker 2: Fifteen percent, which is rather low. Yeah. I don't know
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Speaker 2: if that's alarming or not alarming.
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Speaker 1: I don't know either, but I think it would make
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Speaker 1: for much easier rate of female serial killers to get
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Speaker 1: away with it because of that information. Because if you
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Speaker 1: look at a case where okay, we have a serial
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Speaker 1: killer on the loose. Generally speaking, you're going to be
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Speaker 1: looking for, statistically a male perpetrator, which is exactly the
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Speaker 1: case of what happened here, right, So this individual got
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Speaker 1: away with things for a lot longer than they should
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Speaker 1: have because of that.
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Speaker 2: Because they're female. Yes, okay, I mean it makes sense
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Speaker 2: in some ways, not that females can't be strong, but
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Speaker 2: like men typically are stronger, and then they would be
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Speaker 2: able to overpower their victims a little bit easier.
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Speaker 1: I guess, well, And I think it comes down to
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Speaker 1: biology speaking. I think, because like we're walking a fine
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Speaker 1: line here, we're going to get into some transgender stuff
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Speaker 1: because female male and perspectives and stuff like that. But
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Speaker 1: I think, biology speaking, I think testosterone, And this is
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Speaker 1: purely speculation on my part. I think testosterone might play
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Speaker 1: a part in that. And I think I mentioned this
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Speaker 1: on one of our earlier episodes. During menstrual cycles with women,
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Speaker 1: the testosterone spikes, and that's generally when you get, you know,
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Speaker 1: a little bit more aggressive. And I think men, biological
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Speaker 1: males having that testosterone might naturally make them more aggressive.
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Speaker 1: That's my theory.
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Speaker 2: I like, how like, I feel like you're peddling so
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Speaker 2: gently as you're looking at me like, don't rage.
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Speaker 1: It's a very sensitive topic for many people, and I
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Speaker 1: understand that. So biological females during menstruation, as far as
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Speaker 1: I'm aware, I'm no scientist, that could be incorrect. But
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Speaker 1: as far as I'm aware, during menstruation, testosterone spikes in
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Speaker 1: their system and it could be a reason why that
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Speaker 1: is the case. So with men having that extra testosterone,
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Speaker 1: I mean, it could basically be like dudes are just
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Speaker 1: pmsing all the time. I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Well, even the other day, I was just like, I'm
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Speaker 2: just like angry. Yeah, you're like, holy shit, you just
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Speaker 2: me to leave for a little bit.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, just throw chocolate at you. Sorry. Anyways, we're gonna
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Speaker 1: get onto this. So the profile of the victims that
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Speaker 1: this individual was after were women over the age of sixty,
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Speaker 1: so sixty and over, and many of them were women
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Speaker 1: who lived alone. So, as I mentioned, I'm going to
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Speaker 1: be butchering names, but I am going to do my best.
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Speaker 1: Maria de la Lose Gonzales Anya would be the first
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Speaker 1: victim who would lose her life to this new serial killer.
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Speaker 1: I also do want to mention with a lot of
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Speaker 1: these Spanish names or these Mexican individuals. Their names are
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Speaker 1: made up of multiple parts. Rather than like one, two
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Speaker 1: or three names, there's like five, six, seven parts to
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Speaker 1: their name, okay, which make it make it even more
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Speaker 1: likely that I'm going to butcher it. So besides that, though.
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Speaker 1: It was on November twenty fifth of two thousand and
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Speaker 1: two when sixty four year old Maria received a knock
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Speaker 1: at her front door. She answered it and opened it
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Speaker 1: only just a crack to see who was there, as
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Speaker 1: she wasn't really expecting anybody. Standing on the other side
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Speaker 1: of the door was a social worker. She showed her
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Speaker 1: working identification, her government working identification, and said that she
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Speaker 1: was there to help fill out some paperwork in forms
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Speaker 1: regarding some government financial aid. Maria opened up the door
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Speaker 1: and let the social worker inside. This was the last
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Speaker 1: time Maria would be seen alive. It would be the
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Speaker 1: next day that her body would be discovered laying on
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Speaker 1: her living room floor. She had been violently beaten and
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Speaker 1: strangled to death.
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Speaker 2: Oh really, yes, this is why I never opened the
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Speaker 2: fucking door for anybody. Yeah, fair, that's terrifying right there. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: holy shit, because that's actually like a pretty believable kind
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Speaker 2: of story.
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Speaker 1: Oh it most certainly is Yeah, you have someone there
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Speaker 1: who's actually offering like assistance to someone who clearly potentially
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Speaker 1: maybe needing assistants. And if you have a government person
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Speaker 1: or working for the government, hey checks out, makes sense?
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Speaker 2: Come on, yeah wow Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So Maria's apartment was also found to have been looted,
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Speaker 1: and with investigators trying to find as many answers as
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Speaker 1: they could, they were left with very little other than
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Speaker 1: a few stray fingerprints that they couldn't really find a
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Speaker 1: match too. Now, after this story broke, the news media
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Speaker 1: began running articles regarding a killer on the loose that
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Speaker 1: they had dubbed L not of Yahitas. I really hope
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Speaker 1: I'm pronouncing that right. I'm trying my best, which translates
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Speaker 1: or means the little old lady killer. This in itself
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Speaker 1: was the very first instance of the murder being painted
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Speaker 1: as a man, which statistically speaking, is, as we already mentioned,
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Speaker 1: most probable because L is used for masculine nouns and
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Speaker 1: law is used for feminine nouns, and we have L
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Speaker 1: not a Yahitas.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so it was just assumed.
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Speaker 1: It was just assumed. Yeah, this becomes a very big
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Speaker 1: theme throughout this case, and is a very big reason
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Speaker 1: as to why so many victims fell to the hand
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Speaker 1: of the little old lady killer.
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Speaker 2: So many victims, saying so.
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Speaker 1: Many victims, so regardless of this gender aspect. Authorities quickly
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Speaker 1: brushed off the idea of this being any sort of
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Speaker 1: serial killer, especially anyone attached to the moniker that they
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Speaker 1: had now been given. It is known. Sorry, it is
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Speaker 1: not exactly known if the new title fueled more killings
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Speaker 1: or if they just continued their path on their own terms.
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Speaker 1: But three months later the killer would strike again, giving
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Speaker 1: more merit to their new name. On March second, Guillamina
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Speaker 1: Leona or Zapiana, who was eighty four, was found strangled,
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Speaker 1: just like her previous victim. Once again, there was a
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Speaker 1: quiet period for a few months until July twenty fifth,
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Speaker 1: Maria Guadalupe Juli Are Cortina, eighty six, was found dead
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Speaker 1: and had also been strangled.
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Speaker 2: Oh man, they're in their eighties, yes, like not that
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Speaker 2: it's any age is a good age, you know, to
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Speaker 2: lose your life in this way. But I just feel
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Speaker 2: like you don't get to be that age just to
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Speaker 2: be like, I don't I don't know, I don't even
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Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, but that is just not okay.
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Speaker 1: It's I mean, no murder is okay, but when you
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Speaker 1: are praying on someone who is much more defenseless, whether
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Speaker 1: it's young or old, it seems so much worse because
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Speaker 1: it's like, this is a defenseless person who a if
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Speaker 1: they're young, had so much more life to live or be,
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Speaker 1: as you're saying, got to this age, they deserve way better.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't thank you for wording that properly because
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Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know how to word this properly.
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Speaker 2: But that just I mean, it is just brute. That's brutal.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is. On October ninth, Maria Guadalupe de
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Speaker 1: la Vega, Morales, there's a lot of marias in case
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Speaker 1: doing good, Thank you, eighty seven years old, was found
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Speaker 1: in her home tied to a chair, strangled to death
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Speaker 1: and both of her arms were broken.
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. The next victim in the string of senior women's
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Speaker 1: death would change the pattern up a little bit. Up
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Speaker 1: until now, there seemed to be about three monthish gap
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Speaker 1: between each killing. However, this time the gap in between
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Speaker 1: would be much less less than a month. On October
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Speaker 1: twenty fourth, Maria del Carmen Munos Cote del Gavan, who
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Speaker 1: was seventy eight years old, opened her door to a stranger,
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Speaker 1: just as the rest before her, and as a result,
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Speaker 1: was found strangled in her home. And same with Lucretia
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Speaker 1: Elsa Kalvo Marquin, who was eighty five years old and
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Speaker 1: was found strangled in her home on November fourth.
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Speaker 2: And this is in the sixties too or something, I
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Speaker 2: think you had said.
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Speaker 1: Right, No, this is two thousands.
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Speaker 2: Oh shit, yeah, okay, I thought it was the sixties,
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Speaker 2: and I was like, well, people are maybe more trusting then,
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Speaker 2: because it's like surprising that people are still kind of
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Speaker 2: opening their doors, but they're also opening their doors to
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Speaker 2: a female when you know, it's thought that.
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Speaker 1: The female government maker who's supposed to be Yeah, but yeah, no,
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Speaker 1: this is occurring in two thousand and two.
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Speaker 2: So ye, okay. I don't know why I had the sixties.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, you're just picturing it back then, I guess,
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Speaker 1: oh yeah, but yeah, no, they've got quite a few
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Speaker 1: murders on their hand already, and the public is of
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Speaker 1: course very aware of this and very frightened as a
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Speaker 1: matter of what's going on. And by now authorities were
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Speaker 1: just starting to come to the terms of the idea
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Speaker 1: that they may have a serial killer on their hands.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, so.
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Speaker 1: Concept that the media and public were, as I already mentioned,
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Speaker 1: very well aware of, and as a result, authorities were
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Speaker 1: kind of getting some flak from the public for being
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Speaker 1: so late to this realization. And that is a theme
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Speaker 1: throughout this case as well, is the backlash from the
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Speaker 1: public and media on the response from the authorities.
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Speaker 2: Okay, like that, it wasn't a good response, necessarily correct.
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Speaker 1: They're like, you're so late to the party on this realization.
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Speaker 1: You're now just thinking, oh, we might have a serial
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Speaker 1: killer in her hands. It's been like half a year
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Speaker 1: or whatever, a year at this point, and we've got
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Speaker 1: like five or six deaths.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you would think by now you would kind
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Speaker 2: of realize.
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Speaker 1: That, as one would think. So the public and media
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Speaker 1: were not too impressed. But yeah, regardless though testimonies of
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Speaker 1: anyone with any information and evidence that was found that
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Speaker 1: was left behind, the police were able to come up
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Speaker 1: with somewhat of a profile on who they were looking for. Now.
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Speaker 1: The individual was said to be a tall man with
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Speaker 1: some rougher features, and they're opposing as a nurse or
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Speaker 1: social worker to gain access to the apartments of their victims. However,
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Speaker 1: due to some political issues, the police didn't really release
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Speaker 1: info until December, which was a month or so later,
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Speaker 1: and with a sketch as well, but only one, a
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Speaker 1: sketch that was labeled as a person of interest. Oh,
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Speaker 1: not even a suspect, this is a person of interest.
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Speaker 2: Huh.
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Speaker 1: So again kind of getting some flack for not lack
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Speaker 1: of trying, but lack of concreteness, I guess to it.
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Speaker 1: I'm not really sure how to put it into words.
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Speaker 1: Lack of foundation, I guess would be a good way
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Speaker 1: to do it. Lack of foundation for this case, they're
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Speaker 1: just kind of slack with it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. It is interesting though that they got the career
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Speaker 2: that they were kind of portraying right as a social worker,
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Speaker 2: like trying to enter houses and stuff right now.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's more so from like what's
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Speaker 1: going on, Like they were able to determine like cause
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Speaker 1: of death, strangulation from like which we'll mention here in
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Speaker 1: one specific case, things like a stethoscope were used to strangle.
18:43
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I see, okay, so that makes sense then.
18:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so they're like, okay, you know implements that
18:50
Speaker 1: were used. People saying that they may have seen a
18:52
Speaker 1: social worker with some rougher features, maybe a nurse. So
18:56
Speaker 1: if they've seen a nurse, say enter an apartment building,
18:59
Speaker 1: Someone's like, oh yeah, yeah, about a week ago, I
19:01
Speaker 1: saw some nurse kind of you know, rougher looking nurse
19:07
Speaker 1: go up that floor that way, and then there happened
19:09
Speaker 1: to be a victim. They're like, okay, so a nurse
19:12
Speaker 1: that does not live in this building that no one
19:14
Speaker 1: recognizes rougher features, kind of looks like a man. Here
19:18
Speaker 1: we have a bit of a profile. And then to
19:20
Speaker 1: someone else is a similar thing. Hey, here's some connecting
19:22
Speaker 1: the dots.
19:24
Speaker 2: So I feel like I might have just connected a dot.
19:26
Speaker 1: But okay, what dot did you connect.
19:29
Speaker 2: That maybe this female is dressing up or or portrays
19:34
Speaker 2: themselves as a man. It is what I just kind
19:37
Speaker 2: of thought of. Okay, but you can carry on.
19:41
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, for the sake of us giving out the
19:44
Speaker 1: information at the beginning, so you can look at it
19:47
Speaker 1: with a perspective, I will answer that question now if
19:50
Speaker 1: that's all right with you. Sure, Okay, you've got it backwards.
19:55
Speaker 1: It's a masculine woman who is dressing in real nurse
19:59
Speaker 1: clothes and what you just said that they think it's
20:04
Speaker 1: a sorry, close to what you said. The authorities are
20:07
Speaker 1: thinking it's a man dressing up like a woman, when
20:10
Speaker 1: reality it's just a masculine looking woman dressing in women's clothes. Okay,
20:15
Speaker 1: so it is a woman. They just happened to look
20:17
Speaker 1: a little masculine.
20:18
Speaker 2: Okay, I see, yeah, okay.
20:22
Speaker 1: I completely lost my place now because of that fantastic sorry.
20:27
Speaker 2: I was just whenever I feel like I maybe caught something,
20:31
Speaker 2: it needs to be announced.
20:32
Speaker 1: No, that's good, That's totally fine. That's what I got wrong.
20:35
Speaker 1: That's what we do. We talk about things, right, Yeah, okay,
20:39
Speaker 1: I got my spot here. So it is unfortunate to
20:41
Speaker 1: say that this was kind of a rather stalemate situation
20:44
Speaker 1: that they were in at this point. You know, they
20:47
Speaker 1: were in this situation for quite some time. Investigators were
20:49
Speaker 1: looking for a male serial killer with nothing more to
20:52
Speaker 1: go on other than hey, they might be dressing up
20:54
Speaker 1: like a nurse or social worker. That's about it now. However,
20:59
Speaker 1: in the meantime, Little Old Lady Killer or El Mada
21:02
Speaker 1: Viajits continued their brutal spree on June seventeenth of two
21:08
Speaker 1: thousand and five. And now we remember this began in
21:11
Speaker 1: two thousand and two. Yeah, Maria Guadaloupe Nunez Almanza, seventy
21:17
Speaker 1: eight years old, answered a knock at her front door.
21:22
Speaker 1: There a nurse identified themselves as someone from a community
21:25
Speaker 1: care project and they were there to offer a health checkup,
21:29
Speaker 1: which may turned out to qualify this Maria for some
21:32
Speaker 1: government aid. So Maria opened the door and let this
21:37
Speaker 1: woman in, this person, and once inside, Maria was sat
21:42
Speaker 1: down in a chair and the individual opened up kind
21:45
Speaker 1: of the work bag, began bringing out some tools like
21:48
Speaker 1: stethoscope around their neck and stuff, and the approach from
21:51
Speaker 1: behind in the chair where Maria was sitting, and from
21:54
Speaker 1: there they took the stethoscope, wrapped it around her neck
21:57
Speaker 1: and began to strangle Maria to death. Maria would be
22:01
Speaker 1: the thirtieth victim of l Madahiavitas.
22:06
Speaker 2: Thirtieth victory thirty Yet at this point, holy shit.
22:12
Speaker 1: I Unfortunately, if I went through the entire list of
22:16
Speaker 1: victims reading out the names, it would probably be at
22:18
Speaker 1: least half an hour of me struggling to pronounce Spanish names.
22:21
Speaker 1: So for the sake of time and this case and
22:24
Speaker 1: butchering the deceased names. I am progressing a bit here.
22:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, this one that you just said. I was
22:32
Speaker 2: thinking maybe this was the one that got them cacked,
22:36
Speaker 2: or it was gonna be different or something. But no,
22:40
Speaker 2: that was just a real Debbie downer right there.
22:43
Speaker 1: Sorry. I mean, it's a true crime case. It's going
22:45
Speaker 1: to be a Debbie downer. You expect this to be
22:47
Speaker 1: sunshine and rainbow.
22:48
Speaker 2: Sometimes I do, and I don't shine.
22:51
Speaker 1: Bloody pump. It's not bad to have a good perspective
22:57
Speaker 1: and outlook on the world and hope for the best.
22:58
Speaker 2: That's a good thing, is But sometimes I'm just like, gosh,
23:02
Speaker 2: I'm sitting here like and that surprises me, which I
23:06
Speaker 2: don't know why the fuck it does At this point,
23:08
Speaker 2: I don't know either.
23:09
Speaker 1: Now, despite authorities warning individuals from you know, opening their
23:13
Speaker 1: door to strangers, you know, especially the elderly people who
23:16
Speaker 1: are now clearly the target of the little old Lady killer,
23:19
Speaker 1: the key to the story was has already mentioned, the
23:22
Speaker 1: mis gendering, the theory of who this individual could be,
23:26
Speaker 1: and the image that was painted to the public was
23:28
Speaker 1: a man who would show up knocking at your door
23:31
Speaker 1: wearing women's nursing closes or social working closes closed. Sorry,
23:35
Speaker 1: So this is who the police we're looking for, and
23:37
Speaker 1: this is who the public we're keeping an eye open
23:39
Speaker 1: for as well. So when they find a female nurse
23:42
Speaker 1: at their door, it kind of relieves a lot of
23:44
Speaker 1: that tension, and I'm pretty sure it wiped away a
23:46
Speaker 1: lot of the concern and reservations about letting this individual inside.
23:50
Speaker 2: I guess I feel like I would still be skeptical though,
23:53
Speaker 2: but I'm not blaming any of them, especially like lots
23:56
Speaker 2: of people go about targeting elderly people, which is just
24:00
Speaker 2: not okay.
24:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very unfortunate.
24:02
Speaker 2: Ye.
24:02
Speaker 1: Now, there were some things that the police were trying
24:04
Speaker 1: to do in the meantime and to find and stop
24:06
Speaker 1: the serial killer. I don't really want to portray the
24:09
Speaker 1: police force as they were sitting back doing nothing. They
24:11
Speaker 1: were trying. They were just kind of doing everything wrong.
24:15
Speaker 2: You know.
24:15
Speaker 1: It's not like like if you're lost and you're like, oh,
24:18
Speaker 1: I got to find a way out of here, and
24:20
Speaker 1: you take a left and a right and a left.
24:21
Speaker 1: Well the right pass was right, left, right, but you
24:24
Speaker 1: went the complete opposite way. It's you're trying you just
24:27
Speaker 1: happened to get it all wrong, you know what I mean.
24:29
Speaker 2: Well, and sometimes it's often a lot easier to realize
24:31
Speaker 2: that after the fact.
24:33
Speaker 1: Hindsight is twenty twenty days, ya, right, So totally agree
24:35
Speaker 1: with you. Now, some of the things that they did
24:38
Speaker 1: was they set up a sting operation with old ladies
24:40
Speaker 1: frequenting parks. Now there was an operation with some leads
24:43
Speaker 1: and theories that the killer was scoping out victims in
24:46
Speaker 1: these parks. So like, if we can, you know, set
24:48
Speaker 1: up some sting operations, maybe catch someone approaching these individuals. Unfortunately,
24:52
Speaker 1: complete bust, nothing happened. They were also beginning to arrest
24:56
Speaker 1: trends sex workers that they you know, they're hoping that
24:59
Speaker 1: maybe these individ juwels were the culprit or at the
25:02
Speaker 1: very least, perhaps might know someone because maybe it's in
25:05
Speaker 1: their community. And these aren't maybe the best tactics, but
25:09
Speaker 1: they were trying at least something. Now Elma Viajitas would
25:13
Speaker 1: continue killing. However, on October eighteenth, when they killed Maria
25:17
Speaker 1: de los Angeles Repez Hernandez, who is ninety two years old,
25:22
Speaker 1: by beating and strangling her with a scarf. The killings
25:26
Speaker 1: suddenly stopped. They'd been incurring on a monthly basis at
25:31
Speaker 1: least for two years now, and suddenly there was nothing.
25:37
Speaker 1: It left investigators scratching their heads, not knowing what to
25:41
Speaker 1: do next. They thought, we need more evidence, unfortunately, like
25:47
Speaker 1: we have not enough right now. What's going on? Perhaps
25:50
Speaker 1: maybe they thought, maybe the perpetrator had committed suicide at
25:54
Speaker 1: this point, what's the reason for the stopping. They didn't
25:56
Speaker 1: know now, However, it wasn't. That was until January twenty
26:01
Speaker 1: fifth of two thousand and six, when al Mari Vijahitas
26:05
Speaker 1: would slay their last victim, eighty four year old Anna
26:11
Speaker 1: Marie de los Rees Alfardo. Like so many before, she
26:16
Speaker 1: opened their door to a person they suspected was a nurse. Thankfully,
26:22
Speaker 1: this time there would be a witness to this crime, Okay,
26:26
Speaker 1: at least partially so. Anna Maria lived in I'm going
26:32
Speaker 1: to butcher this district name, but I'm gonna try Venistuiano
26:35
Speaker 1: Caranza district, and she lived with a tenant who is
26:39
Speaker 1: renting at a portion of her home. That tenant just
26:43
Speaker 1: so happened to be returning home. They were at the
26:46
Speaker 1: right place at the right time, and when they were
26:49
Speaker 1: returning home, they witnessed a suspicious person leaving the house.
26:54
Speaker 2: Oh okay, this is good, this is good now.
26:57
Speaker 1: They quickly managed to flag down pass by police officers
27:01
Speaker 1: and pointed out the individual. They're like, this person's just
27:04
Speaker 1: leaving this house. I don't know if it's a break
27:05
Speaker 1: and enter, what's going on? But something's not right there.
27:09
Speaker 2: They are they had like an intuition and they just like
27:12
Speaker 2: acted on it. Yeah, by the sounds of it.
27:14
Speaker 1: And so police went after him, and this individual, who
27:16
Speaker 1: was now fleeing the scene on foot, was eventually and
27:20
Speaker 1: thankfully caught up to by officers and taken into custody.
27:25
Speaker 1: They then, the officers i mean, proceeded to enter the
27:28
Speaker 1: house and check on eighty four year old Ana Maria,
27:31
Speaker 1: to which they found her dead in her home as
27:34
Speaker 1: she had been strangled with his stethoscope.
27:36
Speaker 2: It was too late day.
27:40
Speaker 1: This is when they would make the realization of just
27:43
Speaker 1: who it was that they had caught the little old
27:47
Speaker 1: lady killer, who was in fact not a man dressed
27:51
Speaker 1: up in women's clothes, but simply just a woman who
27:54
Speaker 1: might have had a little bit more broader features and
27:57
Speaker 1: masculine features, and was a woman by the name of
27:59
Speaker 1: Wana Raza now Wana was born to the rural outskirts
28:04
Speaker 1: of Mexico City and in her early life it was
28:07
Speaker 1: filled with hardship and tragedy. She was born to an
28:10
Speaker 1: alcoholic mother who reportedly eventually exchanged her for mere three
28:15
Speaker 1: beers to a man. She traded her daughter for three
28:19
Speaker 1: beer and that man would go on to repeatedly abuse
28:22
Speaker 1: and rape Wana. The abuse led her to becoming pregnant
28:26
Speaker 1: with her first child, a son, and not Despite this
28:29
Speaker 1: adversity that she faced, Wana went on to have three
28:32
Speaker 1: more children, four in total. The tragedy struck again when
28:35
Speaker 1: her oldest son toccumb to injury sustained from a mugging.
28:39
Speaker 1: It was life marked by struggle and pain, but somewhere
28:41
Speaker 1: in her dark life she found some hope and aspiration.
28:46
Speaker 1: The aspiration that Wana found was a fascination with Lucha libre,
28:51
Speaker 1: the vibrant world of Mexican mass professional wrestling. You know
28:54
Speaker 1: his leather masks that are laced up in the back, right, Yeah.
28:57
Speaker 1: She harbored dreams of stepping into the herself. Now, her
29:01
Speaker 1: reality was quite different. Rather than being a professional wrestler,
29:05
Speaker 1: Wana was a promoter for organized events with organizations and
29:09
Speaker 1: independent wrestlers, so she was working adjacent with the industry,
29:13
Speaker 1: but she was not a wrestler herself. However, her love
29:16
Speaker 1: of the sport led her to create a fictional persona
29:19
Speaker 1: for herself. Under the guise of La Dama del Cilienzo
29:24
Speaker 1: aka the Lady of Silence. She spun tales of her
29:28
Speaker 1: supposed wrestling career, complete with a pink jumpsuit and butterfly
29:32
Speaker 1: themed Lucha Libra mask, which she actually owned and had.
29:37
Speaker 1: With her masculine features and larger frame, she was quite
29:40
Speaker 1: an imposing figure when donning her outfit. She regaled others
29:44
Speaker 1: with the stories of her triumphs, including a stint where
29:47
Speaker 1: she was called into the WWF's Women's Championship in the
29:51
Speaker 1: United States, which she claimed. Eventually she had to retire
29:55
Speaker 1: due to an injury. Now many many people doubted her tales,
30:00
Speaker 1: actually the one regaling about the WWF, the biggest wrestling
30:04
Speaker 1: federation in the world. They doubted a bit of this.
30:07
Speaker 1: But for Wana, you know, this fabricated wrestling career was
30:10
Speaker 1: a lifeline, a way to escape the harsh realities of
30:13
Speaker 1: her life and immerse herself in a world of her
30:16
Speaker 1: own creation. Despite never stepping foot in a professional wrestling
30:19
Speaker 1: ring as a competitor. Her imagination allowed her to live
30:23
Speaker 1: out her dreams through her alter ego. Now, it is
30:26
Speaker 1: important to note that Wana's involvement in wrestling, or lack thereof,
30:31
Speaker 1: had no bearing on the heinous crimes that she committed.
30:35
Speaker 1: Despite being falsely portrayed as a murderous wrestler in some accounts,
30:39
Speaker 1: her true identity and motivations lay far from the world
30:41
Speaker 1: of sports entertainment. I think it's very important to note
30:44
Speaker 1: that that she was not a murderous wrestler, but it
30:48
Speaker 1: was very much so. Wrestling was a big part of
30:51
Speaker 1: her life and who she was. I need to take
30:55
Speaker 1: a sip of coffee because I was long stinted talking.
30:58
Speaker 2: I'm just still prosing all of that.
31:02
Speaker 1: It's quite the backstory.
31:03
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean a lot of the backstories in
31:06
Speaker 2: these cases are horrible, But yeah, I don't know. You
31:13
Speaker 2: almost have to think though that her wrestling or did
31:18
Speaker 2: play a bit of a part in there, and the
31:20
Speaker 2: fact that maybe she liked like violence or something.
31:22
Speaker 1: I don't know, Well, it's possible, it definitely is. And
31:27
Speaker 1: I mean, during questioning, wanna confess to having strangled at
31:30
Speaker 1: least one of the women, which was the individual that
31:32
Speaker 1: she was caught at, right, Yeah, stating that she committed
31:36
Speaker 1: the crime out of a sense of anger at elderly
31:38
Speaker 1: women in general. Now, her hatred was rooted in feelings
31:42
Speaker 1: towards her mother, her alcoholic mother, who gave her away
31:46
Speaker 1: at the age of twelve.
31:47
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I see, so that's why she's picking these
31:52
Speaker 2: elderly females.
31:53
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, according to Wana, though, she wasn't the only
31:57
Speaker 1: one behind these killings. After being confronted by the press,
32:02
Speaker 1: wanna ask sorry, I want to ask. Quote, with all
32:05
Speaker 1: due respect to the authorities, there are several of us
32:08
Speaker 1: involved in extortion and killing people. So why don't the
32:12
Speaker 1: police go after others too?
32:16
Speaker 2: Hmmm. I don't know if I believe that so much. No,
32:20
Speaker 2: I don't know. So what there's this little group of
32:22
Speaker 2: people that go and kill elderly women like did shits
32:26
Speaker 2: still happen after she was caught? No, so there you go.
32:31
Speaker 1: According to police, Wana, Braza acted alone. They could find
32:35
Speaker 1: a lot of Like I mentioned, they found fingerprints. She
32:37
Speaker 1: didn't wear glove, so at the scenes, they continued to
32:40
Speaker 1: find fingerprints and they were able to match her prints
32:43
Speaker 1: with everything that they found that was left behind to
32:44
Speaker 1: the scenes, so it was kind of like, yeah, we're
32:48
Speaker 1: doubting there's anyone else.
32:49
Speaker 2: That sounds kind of like some backpedaling there.
32:51
Speaker 1: Yeah. So in the spring of two thousand and eight,
32:54
Speaker 1: el Manaviahita's AA, the Little Old Lady Killer Juana Braza
32:59
Speaker 1: stood try well. The prosecution accused her of up to
33:02
Speaker 1: forty murders in total. Shockingly, Wanna admitted to as I mentioned,
33:08
Speaker 1: just one, that of Alfaro, which was the individual from
33:12
Speaker 1: whom she was apprehended while attempting to flee the scene.
33:14
Speaker 2: She admitted to only one.
33:16
Speaker 1: She admitted to only the last one when she.
33:18
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, this lady okay.
33:22
Speaker 1: However, she also adamantly maintained that she hadn't acted alone
33:25
Speaker 1: and hinted at the involvement of others in the gruesome deeds.
33:28
Speaker 1: But as I mentioned, even in the trial now there
33:31
Speaker 1: was no evidence that was able to be brought forward
33:33
Speaker 1: of this. Wana's motive now to me is both surprising
33:37
Speaker 1: and not at the same time. There are the two
33:39
Speaker 1: parts to it. I mentioned already that she kind of
33:41
Speaker 1: was like that she disclosed to authorities the deep Bridge
33:44
Speaker 1: resentment towards her mother and the whole like mistreatment as
33:47
Speaker 1: a child sort of thing. That was one of them.
33:49
Speaker 1: But she also harbored simmering resentment towards, you know, by extension,
33:54
Speaker 1: other elderly individuals whom she perceived as offering nothing of
33:57
Speaker 1: value to society.
34:00
Speaker 2: Yeah.
34:00
Speaker 1: Wow, In her distorted view, she saw herself not only
34:05
Speaker 1: exacting vengeance for her past, but also purging society of
34:08
Speaker 1: what deemed to be a burdence of individuals. So she's like,
34:11
Speaker 1: these people are useless, not offering anything. That's kind of
34:14
Speaker 1: her perspective. I'm not saying that's a quote from her,
34:16
Speaker 1: but I am saying that is her perspective.
34:19
Speaker 2: What a piece of shit. Yeah, that's terrible. I've never like,
34:22
Speaker 2: that's one of the worst things I've ever heard.
34:24
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny because any not every time, but generally speaking,
34:28
Speaker 1: most time, when we talk about killers who target elderly people,
34:34
Speaker 1: they say the same thing, like they're doing the world
34:36
Speaker 1: a favor getting rid of these quote useless people, which
34:40
Speaker 1: is fucked.
34:41
Speaker 2: That is so fucked because I was just gonna say
34:44
Speaker 2: something that I can't say.
34:45
Speaker 1: So all right, I'll carry on. Now there is if
34:50
Speaker 1: you will a chilling irony to all this in her actions,
34:53
Speaker 1: and I like, when I kind of thought about it,
34:56
Speaker 1: and this is I mean, this is my theory. I
34:58
Speaker 1: want to make this very forefront. This is my theory.
35:01
Speaker 1: I didn't read this anywhere. This is kind of my thoughts.
35:04
Speaker 1: So perhaps in her delusions, she saw herself as kind
35:07
Speaker 1: of a superhero, avenging the wrongs from like the past, grotesque,
35:12
Speaker 1: violent manner that were put upon her, and she imagined
35:15
Speaker 1: herself as this sort of superhero type figure in the
35:19
Speaker 1: wrestling ring in her imagination right, and this was kind
35:24
Speaker 1: of her way of actually being able to live out
35:26
Speaker 1: that sick sort of persona and reality or dreams if
35:30
Speaker 1: you will, in the real world. It was her way
35:33
Speaker 1: of bringing her alter ego La Dama del cilienso aka
35:38
Speaker 1: the Lady of Silence to life. Yeah.
35:41
Speaker 2: I don't think that's super far fetched at all.
35:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think if she stepped in the ring,
35:46
Speaker 1: she would have been getting her ass kicked. But if
35:50
Speaker 1: she steps into a little old lady's apartment when they're
35:52
Speaker 1: all alone, she was able to. And there is a
35:55
Speaker 1: lot of evidence to prove that she used wrestling techniques
36:00
Speaker 1: in the killings as well. As I mentioned there was
36:03
Speaker 1: one individual who had both their arms.
36:05
Speaker 2: Yeah broken, that is so sad. Holy shit. Yeah, I
36:10
Speaker 2: also have a ridiculous questions. But this lady wasn't actually
36:14
Speaker 2: African social worker, right, that was like she didn't work
36:17
Speaker 2: for the government or anything. That was just a way
36:20
Speaker 2: of getting in there.
36:20
Speaker 1: It was just her way of getting into the apartments.
36:22
Speaker 1: It was just a front. She was not a social worker.
36:25
Speaker 1: She was not a nurse.
36:27
Speaker 2: My phone is ringing, your phone is ringing.
36:29
Speaker 1: Okay, sorry, hung up my phone. It's all good. We're
36:32
Speaker 1: not gonna be interrupted now again.
36:33
Speaker 2: I hope, so hopefully not.
36:35
Speaker 1: So. Yeah, she was not a social worker on a nurse,
36:37
Speaker 1: none of those things. She was. She worked with promoting events,
36:40
Speaker 1: and she worked with these these corporations who are putting
36:43
Speaker 1: on these events and even other independent wrestlers. She worked
36:46
Speaker 1: adjacent to the wrestling world that she loves.
36:48
Speaker 2: Okay, that was her job.
36:49
Speaker 1: Okay, So yeah, she had nothing to do with any
36:51
Speaker 1: of this government information on like let's do a health
36:54
Speaker 1: checkup to give you some government daate. Yeah. No, she
36:57
Speaker 1: was strictly doing this, doing access to homes to kill
37:00
Speaker 1: these ladies.
37:01
Speaker 2: Oh man, and coming across as like a helpful individual
37:05
Speaker 2: and had their best interest.
37:07
Speaker 1: And as soon as she sat them down, their back
37:10
Speaker 1: was turned. That's when she took advantage of them, strangling
37:12
Speaker 1: them and choking them and even in some cases clearly
37:16
Speaker 1: doing some fucking fucked up wrestling move shit.
37:19
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, that's beyond messed.
37:22
Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyways, on March thirty first, armed with very compelling
37:27
Speaker 1: evidence in the courtroom, the police formally charged Juana Braza
37:30
Speaker 1: with sixteen counts of murder and aggravated burglary, including eleven
37:35
Speaker 1: separate murder charges. The court found her guilty on all accounts.
37:41
Speaker 1: She was handed a staggering sentence, which I think this
37:45
Speaker 1: is the largest sentence we have ever heard of.
37:48
Speaker 2: Good.
37:48
Speaker 1: Seven hundred and fifty nine years in prison. Yes, that
37:53
Speaker 1: is crazy large, So yeah, give them. The nature of
37:59
Speaker 1: sentences in Mexi Can courts, the maximum lowable sentence is
38:02
Speaker 1: sixty years, even though she was handed that, so she
38:05
Speaker 1: will serve a maximum of sixty but it is likely
38:07
Speaker 1: that she will spend the rest of her life behind bars.
38:09
Speaker 2: It better better be likely. Yeah, yes, okay, I just
38:13
Speaker 2: like love that sentence to be answer.
38:14
Speaker 1: That's wild. That's seven hundred and fifty nine years.
38:20
Speaker 2: Wow, I feel like that should just not be abnormal. Though,
38:24
Speaker 2: I agree that that should be sentences that people kind
38:27
Speaker 2: of get and like there's no way that they're ever
38:29
Speaker 2: getting out kind of.
38:30
Speaker 1: I agree, because like, if you look at like a killer,
38:33
Speaker 1: someone who kills a single individual, they're not a serial
38:35
Speaker 1: killer because three or more is a serial killer. You
38:37
Speaker 1: kill one person, you can get life. You should be
38:41
Speaker 1: able to get life for every fucking person you kill.
38:44
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because every life that you took matters, and
38:48
Speaker 2: that should be like you should have to pay for that.
38:52
Speaker 2: That should be like documented and this is and it
38:54
Speaker 2: all adds up kind of.
38:55
Speaker 1: Thing, right, But instead, say you have a serial killer
38:58
Speaker 1: who killed ten people, that should be sentence of at
39:00
Speaker 1: least two hundred and fifty years, But they're like, okay,
39:03
Speaker 1: make you a deal thirty years, Like what are you
39:06
Speaker 1: fucking kidding me?
39:07
Speaker 2: And you can apply for parole after this amount after eight.
39:10
Speaker 1: Years, Like what the fuck? Like, yeah, so I agree
39:13
Speaker 1: with you a whole wholeheartedly. Seven hundred and fifty nine that,
39:16
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how they came up with
39:18
Speaker 1: that number. That's excessive in my opinion, because I mean,
39:21
Speaker 1: people don't live like generally over one hundred years, but love.
39:25
Speaker 2: It well because taking that many lives, like, there is
39:30
Speaker 2: absolutely no way that you should get out. No, I
39:32
Speaker 2: agree that is so many agree so many.
39:35
Speaker 1: If you're reformed or not, I mean that if you
39:37
Speaker 1: get reformed, fantastic. I love that for you, love it
39:40
Speaker 1: for society, love it for humans, all of it. But
39:43
Speaker 1: you should still be in some sort of locked up
39:47
Speaker 1: contained a little neighborhood or something behind bars. But like, yeah,
39:52
Speaker 1: sure you're in prison, but maybe you can have a TV,
39:55
Speaker 1: maybe you can have a little minilabrary and a plant
39:57
Speaker 1: in your cell. I don't know.
39:58
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is, how do you know for sure
40:00
Speaker 2: that they are reformed?
40:01
Speaker 1: You don't? Is the thing, because there are people who
40:03
Speaker 1: trick the system.
40:04
Speaker 2: Because yeah, they are kind of like I would imagine
40:06
Speaker 2: people that kill that many people, they're kind of I
40:09
Speaker 2: would say they're psychopaths or something to something sin.
40:11
Speaker 1: Generally speaking, a lot of them are proven.
40:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, and those kind of people can be very tricky,
40:16
Speaker 2: and they could they could just be playing their cards
40:19
Speaker 2: still in jail, and they're really not reform whatsoever.
40:23
Speaker 1: I don't know how many cases we've covered at this
40:24
Speaker 1: point where they do they manipulate the system. They manipulate
40:27
Speaker 1: the people, the workers that are working with them, the psychologists,
40:30
Speaker 1: the guards in the prison, and they do it for years.
40:34
Speaker 2: They're still playing that game even though they're in there.
40:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the second they get out, guess what back
40:40
Speaker 1: at it? So no, I agree. Maybe it be that
40:44
Speaker 1: you just get better living conditions, Like I'm not saying
40:47
Speaker 1: that someone should have shit conditions, but you get like
40:52
Speaker 1: the better you become, the more reformed you become, the
40:55
Speaker 1: more what's the word, I think I'm trying to think of,
40:57
Speaker 1: the more you get.
40:59
Speaker 2: Out, But I guess I know what you're trying to
41:01
Speaker 2: think of.
41:02
Speaker 1: The more benefits you get, I guess. But there's a word.
41:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is a word, and I can give it. Anyways,
41:07
Speaker 2: everyone's screaming at us.
41:09
Speaker 1: It's like when a kid behaves. It's like, oh, you
41:11
Speaker 1: cleaned your room, fantastic, you get to have ice cream,
41:14
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. And that's exactly what I think
41:17
Speaker 1: should be hearing. You should just still be locked up.
41:19
Speaker 1: You just get these benefits from being reformed. So anyway,
41:25
Speaker 1: so despite her claims to the contrary, you know, basically
41:28
Speaker 1: being that her body count is only one, that's what
41:31
Speaker 1: she's saying many believe and have suspicions that her body
41:36
Speaker 1: count may be even higher on what she was charged for,
41:39
Speaker 1: with estimates suggesting that she could have been responsible for
41:41
Speaker 1: up to forty nine different deaths and murders. Yeah. So,
41:46
Speaker 1: regardless of the exact number, the sheer, brutality and callousness
41:50
Speaker 1: of her crimes have left an undeniable mark on society,
41:54
Speaker 1: especially you know in Mexico, marking her as Mexico's first
41:58
Speaker 1: female serial killer. A very vicious and cold blooded taste
42:04
Speaker 1: at that.
42:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is so many victims.
42:08
Speaker 1: It is. That is the case of l out of
42:11
Speaker 1: Yahita's aka the little.
42:14
Speaker 2: Old Lady killer, the little old Lady killer.
42:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, or I guess, as I should say, lah not
42:21
Speaker 1: of Yahitas.
42:24
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well yeah, you know when you first brought this
42:26
Speaker 2: case up, are we chatted about it, like very briefly.
42:31
Speaker 2: I was thinking that it was a little old lady
42:33
Speaker 2: that was a killer.
42:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not the case. But I can see where
42:36
Speaker 1: you can get that out of the moniker for sure.
42:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, which I feel like I was going to say
42:41
Speaker 2: would be better, but no, none of it would be better.
42:44
Speaker 1: Well, I mean we I think we have covered a
42:46
Speaker 1: case of the granny Killer. I think it is, where
42:48
Speaker 1: it's this old lady who kill people. Yeah, really, I
42:51
Speaker 1: think so. I'm pretty sure we covered that one.
42:52
Speaker 2: I don't remember that one whatsoever.
42:54
Speaker 1: I'm googling it right now, The Granny Killer.
42:57
Speaker 2: Where a little old lady is a murderer. Yeah, oh okay,
43:02
Speaker 2: hmm okay, this.
43:04
Speaker 1: Is bringing up something if oh, yeah, tomorrow. Simonova she
43:10
Speaker 1: was was a Russian or something like that. Let me see,
43:15
Speaker 1: is a Russian, a led serial killer who was rested
43:17
Speaker 1: in July of twenty fifteen on suspicions of committing two
43:20
Speaker 1: murders with extreme cruelty. She supposedly had schizophrenia and was
43:24
Speaker 1: previously hospitalized three times for psychiatric hospitals. She was like
43:30
Speaker 1: in her seventies or something like that.
43:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well I don't remember that whatsoever. If we did.
43:36
Speaker 1: Oh, this is actually so the Granny Ripper I think
43:39
Speaker 1: it was her nickname. The Granny Ripper is what he
43:41
Speaker 1: might have called her. Actually, it also has another moniker
43:44
Speaker 1: under here, Bobby Yaga. John Wicks got the same moniker.
43:49
Speaker 2: King John Wick.
43:50
Speaker 1: I know right, I'm obsessed, Nicole. You freaking love him
43:53
Speaker 1: so much.
43:54
Speaker 2: He's a good dude.
43:55
Speaker 1: You would marry him over me any day.
43:57
Speaker 2: No, but I do like I like these values, but
44:02
Speaker 2: all for his dog, you.
44:03
Speaker 1: Know, all for his dog, definitely. So yeah, that was
44:07
Speaker 1: an interesting one of research. And I like going through
44:10
Speaker 1: ones where it's you know, in different countries, you know,
44:12
Speaker 1: it's international, going into other cultures. Though it's rough pronouncing
44:17
Speaker 1: some of these names. I like going out and bringing
44:21
Speaker 1: life to these stories. Yeah that are outside of just
44:24
Speaker 1: North America, you know.
44:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, well this is this one is pretty sad.
44:28
Speaker 1: It is man forty nine up to forty nine people
44:32
Speaker 1: they suspect, I.
44:33
Speaker 2: Mean in all like most of those people they could
44:36
Speaker 2: have had kids and like grandkids and even maybe great grandkids.
44:40
Speaker 1: Oh definitely. And a lot of people in Mexico are
44:43
Speaker 1: known for their family values and their large families too,
44:46
Speaker 1: So it's like, how like they would have had a
44:48
Speaker 1: lot of kids, a lot of grandkids and they're all
44:50
Speaker 1: so close. So I imagine the impact that would have had
44:53
Speaker 1: on those families too.
44:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, just the vast number of people that were impacted
44:57
Speaker 2: from all of those killings, I can't even imagine how
45:02
Speaker 2: big it is. Yeah, so well done, thank you as usual.
45:07
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46:40
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46:45
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