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The Kenny Report | 5 November · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: From the skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report. Thanks for joining me, Sit back,
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  Speaker 2: count your winnings, and enjoy the program. The ABC is
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  Speaker 2: disgraced tonight over adopted vision and audio used to smear
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  Speaker 2: our soldiers as war criminals. The candidates in the American
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  Speaker 2: presidential election make their final pictures to voters as the
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  Speaker 2: clock ticks into election day. In the US, I'll cross
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  Speaker 2: to Ross Greenwood and Kristen Tate stateside. Back home, inflation
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  Speaker 2: remains unbeaten and the Reserve Bank keeps rates high. As
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  Speaker 2: Albanezi Labor spends, spends and spends. Cuse O'Brien and Stephen
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  Speaker 2: senter tiempo on the panel, Tim Blair to bring it
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  Speaker 2: all home, and so much to talk about.
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  Speaker 3: We'll never fit it all in. Let's get cracking.
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  Speaker 2: The National Broadcaster is in disgrace tonight, shamed for disgraceful
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  Speaker 2: and damaging journalism and exposed for not dealing properly with
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  Speaker 2: its own errors or delivering proper accountability. I want to
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  Speaker 2: show you a clip in a moment of the ABC
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  Speaker 2: telling taxpayers, telling the people who funnel one point three
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  Speaker 2: billion dollars a year of their hard earned cash into
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  Speaker 2: the public broadcaster so it can supposedly produce decent journalism.
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  Speaker 2: This is the ABC telling us that when it compiled
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  Speaker 2: reports smearing our soldiers as war criminals, it edited additional
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  Speaker 2: gunshots into videos twice.
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  Speaker 4: Found that five additional sounds of gunshots were inadvertently but
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  Speaker 4: inaccurately introduced into footage showing a commando firing from the helicopter.
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  Speaker 4: Mister Sunderland also found that additional sounds of gunshots were
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  Speaker 4: also inadvertently but inaccurately introduced into the seven to thirty video,
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  Speaker 4: but at different points than in the online video.
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  Speaker 3: Just extraordinary.
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  Speaker 2: It was all an accident twice. This is not only implausible.
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  Speaker 2: Every television reporter and producer takes responsibility for the writing
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  Speaker 2: and editing of their stories, and they approve the final story,
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  Speaker 2: and if they don't, they're culpable. But this is also
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  Speaker 2: a pathetic whitewash. Let's remind ourselves what the ABC did
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  Speaker 2: and how the commando in the frame of this. Heston
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  Speaker 2: Russell exposed it thanks only to a Channel seven spotlight report.
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  Speaker 2: The ABC stories selectively edited an interviewed to change its
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  Speaker 2: intended meaning. It flipped around the order of events filmed
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  Speaker 2: from a combat chopper, mischaracterizing warning shots against terrorists as
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  Speaker 2: shooting at innocent civilians, and it infamously added in extra
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  Speaker 2: gunshots to bolster its.
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  Speaker 1: Case, revealing an astonishing difference between the source vision and
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  Speaker 1: the version of events told by the ABC's Mark Willisy,
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  Speaker 1: which starts with six rounds of firing, then a single
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  Speaker 1: warning shot becomes six.
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  Speaker 5: To me, it appears some of these things they've literally
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  Speaker 5: added extra gunshots. That's phenomenal. So I fell off my
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  Speaker 5: chair when I saw this.
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  Speaker 2: In front of a Senate Estimates Committee hearing today. The
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  Speaker 2: ABC Managing director David Anderson was a no show away
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  Speaker 2: on medical leave, but the news boss, Justin Stevens, was
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  Speaker 2: sorry for the mess.
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  Speaker 4: Obviously, this shouldn't have occurred, and we're taking it and
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  Speaker 4: have taken it very seriously. And that's why we sincerely
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  Speaker 4: regret and apologize those editing errors in the video clips,
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  Speaker 4: including two members of the second Commando Regiment, and that's
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  Speaker 4: why we removed the video when it was brought to
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  Speaker 4: our attention.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they took it down years later after Channel seven
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  Speaker 2: exposed it, and the ABC's investigation was hardly satisfactory. It
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  Speaker 2: was supposedly an independent inquiry, but it was conducted by
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  Speaker 2: a former long term public broadcast journalist and former ABC
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  Speaker 2: editorial director, Alan Sunderland, and have a listen to what
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  Speaker 2: he found.
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  Speaker 4: Mister Sunderland says, quite to be clear, I find no
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  Speaker 4: evidence that anybody at any stage made a conscious or
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  Speaker 4: deliberate decision to introduce additional gunshots. It appears to be
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  Speaker 4: an inadvertent consequence of attempts to create clean, accurate, and
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  Speaker 4: effective sequences in the story. He goes on to say,
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  Speaker 4: I found no evidence to support the conclusion that any
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  Speaker 4: of this was done at the direction of the journalists involved,
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  Speaker 4: or on the initiative of the video editor, in order
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  Speaker 4: to doctor or deliberately distort the depiction of the events
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  Speaker 4: that occurred. And on the contrary, he says, what evidence
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  Speaker 4: there is suggests there is it was not a deliberate
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  Speaker 4: editorial decision to include additional gunshopes audio in order to
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  Speaker 4: mislead or deceive.
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  Speaker 3: Give me a break.
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  Speaker 2: This video was the central evidence of the story. It
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  Speaker 2: was the heart of the story. So someone at the ABC,
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  Speaker 2: an unnamed editor, did this accidentally twice. Nobody directed him
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  Speaker 2: or her to do it, Nobody noticed it, and that
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  Speaker 2: person happens to no longer work at the ABC. This
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  Speaker 2: stuff is so bad that the ABC already lost a
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  Speaker 2: defamation case brought by Heston Russell. It paid out nearly
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  Speaker 2: four hundred thousand dollars of taxpayers money, but the total
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  Speaker 2: cost to taxpayers was up to two million dollars with
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  Speaker 2: legal costs. Yet the ABC refused to apologize to the
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  Speaker 2: wronged person.
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  Speaker 4: If you're asking for me to apologize to mister Russell,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not going to apologize to mister Russell. There's a
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  Speaker 4: lot to learn from it whatever happens here, appeal or not.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was earlier, and now the ABC details its
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  Speaker 2: errors only after others investigated them thoroughly and they had
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  Speaker 2: nowhere to hide. But it was all an accident, and
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  Speaker 2: nobody gets so much as an admonishment. What's worse, the
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  Speaker 2: ABC ignored letters from Russell years ago.
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  Speaker 3: Pointing out the errors.
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  Speaker 2: The ABC did nothing, It ignored the letters, and today
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  Speaker 2: their news boss seemed to complain that there were too
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  Speaker 2: many letters about their errors.
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  Speaker 4: There was a huge amount of correspondence, quite unreasonable at times,
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  Speaker 4: the volume coming into ABC Legal at that time.
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  Speaker 6: Why did ABC News not respond to the letter? ABC
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  Speaker 6: News went in possession of the latter. The exact circumstances
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  Speaker 6: surrounding exactly what happened at that day and why, and
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  Speaker 6: then what will we do differently is the outstanding element
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  Speaker 6: of mister Sunderland's review.
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  Speaker 2: Good Lord, a worse example of public broadcasting. You will
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  Speaker 2: struggle to find a worse example of slurring our armed forces.
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  Speaker 3: You will struggle to.
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  Speaker 2: Find a worse example of how to handle a complaint, investigate,
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  Speaker 2: correct and apologize for clear errors. You will struggle to find,
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  Speaker 2: but you won't find a better example of how the
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  Speaker 2: ABC takes taxpayers money supposedly to be used for the
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  Speaker 2: good of the nation and sometimes misuses that money to
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  Speaker 2: work against the interests of our nation. The Reserve Bank
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  Speaker 2: has kept rates on hold today, inflation is still not beaten,
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  Speaker 2: rates are not coming down now until February at the earliest,
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  Speaker 2: and many economists are warning it's all being delayed further
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  Speaker 2: because of Labour's continued reckless spending and the fact that
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  Speaker 2: it's promising more. The RBA has admitted to being caught
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  Speaker 2: out by the level of government spending. Yesterday we talked
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  Speaker 2: about the sixteen billion dollar promise for student loans. Now
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  Speaker 2: the PM's outsprooking permanent fee free tape.
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  Speaker 7: Then this video tour mate who's thinking about a new.
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  Speaker 3: Career because we've got news for them.
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  Speaker 7: We're making free take permanent.
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  Speaker 2: And this spending and the cost of living remained in
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  Speaker 2: focus today in Parliament.
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  Speaker 8: Can the Prime Minister confirm how much of the one
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  Speaker 8: point five billion dollars spent has gone to courses that
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  Speaker 8: will never be completed?
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  Speaker 9: Why is this Prime minister addicted to reckless spending?
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  Speaker 3: But the Government remains pretty smug about its approach.
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  Speaker 10: I think not just Sidepie, leader of the Opposition.
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  Speaker 7: I thank their entire Tactics Committee for that question.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, even though so many Australians are feeling the pinch
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  Speaker 2: of high mortgage payments and rising prices, Labor is pretty
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  Speaker 2: happy with its give away strategy. What the markets and
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  Speaker 2: the Reserve Bank make of it early next year could
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  Speaker 2: wipe the smile off the PM's face. Now, Tuesday, No
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  Speaker 2: Man November the fifth is, of course, apart from being Cup.
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  Speaker 3: Day, it's US election day.
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  Speaker 2: They're so far behind us, of course, that it's only
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  Speaker 2: just after one am on the East coast of the US,
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  Speaker 2: so voting will only begin in earnest In six hours time.
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  Speaker 2: There's stacks of prepole voting already happened, of course, and
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  Speaker 2: we should have a result for you tomorrow night. We'll
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  Speaker 2: see both former President Donald Trump and Vice President Kamala
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  Speaker 2: Harris were campaigning late into the night US time. I
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  Speaker 2: think just hours ago for Kamala Harris. I think Donald
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  Speaker 2: Trump's still going and it was a pretty crazy day.
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  Speaker 2: Have a listen to the Donald.
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  Speaker 11: This was crazy Nancy. She's such a bad one. She's
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  Speaker 11: already plotting a move to try and impeach him. I'm
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  Speaker 11: gonna she's already. She is a bad, sick woman. She's
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  Speaker 11: crazy as a beaut vot Adam Shifty Shift one of
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  Speaker 11: the truly unattractive people.
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  Speaker 12: I call him watermelon Head.
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  Speaker 11: He's got the largest head and the smallest neck. He's
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  Speaker 11: got a neck that's about four inches around. He's got
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  Speaker 11: a watermelon on top of it. Mike's went through a lot,
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  Speaker 11: but he could fight. Let me tell you that I
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  Speaker 11: could fight. But can you imagine Mike, Oh, he says,
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  Speaker 11: Put Mike in the ring with Carmen and Albion. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's crazy times, all right. The final Trump rally is
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  Speaker 2: still going well beyond midnight in the US. He's also
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  Speaker 2: threatened Mexico with Tarras says it doesn't stop.
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  Speaker 3: Illegal immigrants swarming the US border.
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  Speaker 2: And as to Harris, well, she was doing what Kamala does.
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  Speaker 13: Let's get out the vote. Let's get out the vote.
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  Speaker 13: Let's get out the vote. Let's get out the vote.
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  Speaker 13: Let's get out the vote. Let's win.
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  Speaker 14: That.
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  Speaker 3: Laugh.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, so apologies is more than light and all of that,
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  Speaker 2: But that's what we're left with. It's been a bizarre
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  Speaker 2: campaign after a tumultuous year, even for this volatile decade
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  Speaker 2: in US politics. We've had an assassination attempt, We've had
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  Speaker 2: two presidential debates, each with different Democrat candidates, a president
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  Speaker 2: defiantly claiming that he'd stand for re election, then withdrawing.
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  Speaker 2: I told you all along, right from the first year,
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  Speaker 2: that Biden couldn't run again, but some believed him. And anyway,
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  Speaker 2: we've ended up with Trump versus Harris, and it's been
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  Speaker 2: a hell of a show. Harris got a predictable honeymoon,
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  Speaker 2: a wave of interest and adulation, but she's been exposed
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  Speaker 2: and Trump has surged through the campaign. But really, the
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  Speaker 2: lack of accountability, the lack of scrutiny in US politics
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  Speaker 2: is what alarms mean. We see endless rallies and set
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  Speaker 2: peace speeches and now and then mainly soft interviews with
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  Speaker 2: friendly journalists and hosts, but we see very few media conferences.
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  Speaker 3: The candidates very seldom.
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  Speaker 2: Have to deal with unpredictable, probing and aggressive questions. Trump
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  Speaker 2: has done about half a dozen press conferences in recent months,
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  Speaker 2: and of course countless interviews. His problem is probably talking
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  Speaker 2: too much and wandering too far off script, but still
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  Speaker 2: there's not a lot of hard questions confronting him day
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  Speaker 2: to day in media handling.
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  Speaker 3: Harris is the very opposite.
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  Speaker 2: She's tightly scripted, well rehearsed, and hopeless when she's ad libbing.
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  Speaker 2: And do you know how many media conferences she's done.
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  Speaker 2: This is frightening. Kamala Harris has not done a single
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  Speaker 2: media conference, not one proper open press conference for the
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  Speaker 2: serving vice president since Biden announced he wouldn't run and
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  Speaker 2: she became the presumptive candidate. Not one single media conference,
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  Speaker 2: and she could be elected president in the next twenty
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  Speaker 2: four hours. To me, this is the most worrying aspect
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  Speaker 2: of US politics. In many ways, the leaders are just
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  Speaker 2: so far removed from the daily cut and thrust. They
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  Speaker 2: get far too little proper media scrutiny, no d daily
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  Speaker 2: sparring of the issues of the day.
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  Speaker 3: And the worry is that we're heading the same way here.
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  Speaker 2: It's a week today since Anthony Alberizi held a press conference.
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  Speaker 2: He spoke in Newcastle last Tuesday in a train wreck
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  Speaker 2: pressor where he had no answers on the quantus upgrade routs.
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  Speaker 2: The Prime Minister has not held a media conference since then,
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  Speaker 2: a full week. We'll see when he does the next one,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't think he can hold out as long
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  Speaker 2: as Carmela did, as much as he'd probably like to.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go to a liberal MP.
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  Speaker 2: Zory Mackenzie joining us alive from Parliament House Camber.
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  Speaker 3: Good to speak to you again.
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  Speaker 2: So this news from the Reserve Bank is expected, but
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  Speaker 2: what THEBA Governor had to say should be a worry
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  Speaker 2: for all taxpayers, all homeowners, especially in this country. There's
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  Speaker 2: no indication there that rates are coming down anytime soon.
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  Speaker 8: Yep, no sign of an earlier reprieve, Unlike elsewhere in
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  Speaker 8: the world. The RBA Governor was pretty clear today that
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  Speaker 8: she doesn't see us reaching that target range of two
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  Speaker 8: to three percent in terms of core inflation until twenty
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  Speaker 8: twenty five, and not to be in the middle of
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  Speaker 8: that target range until twenty twenty six. So if you're
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  Speaker 8: already paying an additional twenty five thousand dollars a year
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  Speaker 8: in interest payments in your mortgage, which the average mortgage
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  Speaker 8: payer is indeed confronting at the moment, there is no
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  Speaker 8: hope on the immediate scale.
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  Speaker 2: Now, as we've discussed before, orthodox economics tells you that
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  Speaker 2: if the government's pumping more money into the economy, that
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  Speaker 2: has to be fueling inflation. So the government's been keeping
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  Speaker 2: inflation and therefore interest rates up by spending so heavily,
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  Speaker 2: and now it's promising to spend more sort of pre
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  Speaker 2: election losses. What the Reserve Bank governor had to say
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  Speaker 2: today is suggests that she's onto this as a bit
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  Speaker 2: of a problem.
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  Speaker 15: Have a look, public demand is offsetting a lot of
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  Speaker 15: weakness in the private sector side, so we still, with
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  Speaker 15: those circumstances, have inflation coming back to target in a
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  Speaker 15: reasonable way. My reading, when I speak privately to the
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  Speaker 15: Treasurer and when I hear him speak on television and radio,
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  Speaker 15: is that he's fully aware of the inflationary implications of
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  Speaker 15: his own policies.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Zoey mackenzie, if the government's aware of the inflationary
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  Speaker 2: impact of its spending, why does it keep doing it.
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  Speaker 8: It's interesting, isn't it. I think the Governor was really
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  Speaker 8: careful with her words today. I don't envy her. It
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  Speaker 8: is definitely a tricky job and as you've pointed out,
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  Speaker 8: she's doing more press conferences than the PM is at
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  Speaker 8: the moment. But she was very clear today when she
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  Speaker 8: said the Board needs to be confident that inflation is
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  Speaker 8: moving sustainably towards the target, which means right now the
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  Speaker 8: Board is not confident that that's what the current measures
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  Speaker 8: put in place by this government are actually doing. You're
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  Speaker 8: seeing them throw money around like drunken sailors. You know,
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  Speaker 8: when I watch the news on Sunday night and saw
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  Speaker 8: the PM with these kind of grandiose performance that look
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  Speaker 8: like a campaign launched to me. And then the announcement
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  Speaker 8: of the twenty percent reduction for those who might have
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  Speaker 8: at a hex step Now, not any benefit to those
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  Speaker 8: who may have paid it off, or any benefit to
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  Speaker 8: those who are going into the university sector in years
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  Speaker 8: to come. No, No, just a one shot wonder for
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  Speaker 8: the lucky kids who might choose to vote for Albo
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  Speaker 8: to maybe get that discount if you can get it
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  Speaker 8: through the chambers. I thought to myself, jeez, we're going
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  Speaker 8: to an election earlier than I thought, maybe December. But
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  Speaker 8: you know, they're being flagrant with the cash, reckless with
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  Speaker 8: the Australian economy, and unfortunately the average Australian is the
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  Speaker 8: person paying for it. You know, I've got many more
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  Speaker 8: tradees and laborers in my seat than I have people
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  Speaker 8: who've got university degrees. They're the people who'll be paying
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  Speaker 8: for this gift from the Prime Minister. That's sixteen billion
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  Speaker 8: dollar cost got to come from somewhere. It'll come from
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  Speaker 8: everyone else working harder to pay tax. Yeah, you was
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  Speaker 8: thankful lawyers yet again.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the best way to keep the hext that
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  Speaker 2: repayments down is to keep interest rates and therefore inflation down.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see.
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  Speaker 2: We'll have to come back and talk to you again soon, Zoe,
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  Speaker 2: because the question for the coalition, you guys are going
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  Speaker 2: to have to go to an election campaign promising lower spending.
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  Speaker 3: That's always a challenge.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Zoey McKenzie, their Liberal MP for
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  Speaker 2: Flinders on the Mornington Peninsula, joining us live from Parliament
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  Speaker 2: House in Canberra that's now crossed to the US, and
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: catch up with Sky News contributor Kristin Tachi's live in Washington,
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  Speaker 2: d C. Stand up late for us, Christen, it must
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  Speaker 2: be exciting. I know you've already cast your vote, but
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  Speaker 2: a lot of polling stations open around the country from
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  Speaker 2: seven am. I know there's some quirky ones that do
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  Speaker 2: a little bit before then, but what are you expecting
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  Speaker 2: to see unfold in the morning, A really big ground
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  Speaker 2: game to convince people as they turn up at polling boots.
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  Speaker 14: Yes, of course, although we've seen historic early voting numbers,
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  Speaker 14: even among Republicans, and Republicans have traditionally been very hesitant
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  Speaker 14: about embracing this idea of early voting. But yes, I
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  Speaker 14: half my ballot early, my whole family did, most of
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  Speaker 14: my friends did. But of course there's still a big
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  Speaker 14: population percentage that has not done so and will do
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  Speaker 14: so tomorrow. And the ground game continues with both of
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  Speaker 14: these campaigns until everyone who intends to vote has voted
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  Speaker 14: at the end of the day tomorrow.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's been a hell of a flurry today.
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  Speaker 2: I think Donald Trump is still speaking as we go away,
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  Speaker 2: But there's been a lot from him and Kamala Harris today.
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  Speaker 2: But Donald Trump, as he's white, he comes out with
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  Speaker 2: a big new policy how he's going to threaten Mexico
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  Speaker 2: with tariffs if they don't do the right thing on
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  Speaker 2: their side of the border to help secure it.
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  Speaker 3: Is Donald Trump today.
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  Speaker 11: If they don't stop this onslaught of criminals and drugs
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  Speaker 11: coming into our country, I'm going to immediately impose a
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  Speaker 11: twenty five percent tariff on everything they send in to
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  Speaker 11: the United States of America. That doesn't work, I'll make
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  Speaker 11: it fifty. And that doesn't work, I'll make it seventy
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  Speaker 11: five for the tough guys, and I'll make.
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  Speaker 2: It a long This is classic stuff from Trump. Isn't
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  Speaker 2: a Christian. That's him putting them right on all the
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  Speaker 2: countries to lift their game and also bringing it back
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  Speaker 2: to that crucial issue of immigration.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, it's a brilliant idea, and yes, there's a feeling
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  Speaker 14: in the air that is very reminiscent of twenty sixteen.
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  Speaker 14: He won that election because of immigration, and right now
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  Speaker 14: he's trying to mobilize his base in seven key states, Nevada, Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania,
• 19:43
  Speaker 14: North Carolina, and Georgia. Remember in twenty sixteen he won
• 19:47
  Speaker 14: all of those except for Nevada. And the polls are
• 19:49
  Speaker 14: looking pretty good. They're very, very tight in all of
• 19:52
  Speaker 14: these states. He's actually up one in Pennsylvania. But this
• 19:56
  Speaker 14: election is going to be like a knife fight in
• 19:58
  Speaker 14: a phone booth. I mean, it is just so close.
• 20:01
  Speaker 14: So every little policy he can throw out there to
• 20:03
  Speaker 14: excite his base and get them to the polls will
• 20:06
  Speaker 14: help him, particularly in those seven states.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let's have a look at what Kamala Harris
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: has been saying, and she's really been going with her
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: rehearsed lines.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: He is a key one.
• 20:17
  Speaker 13: Turn the page on a decade of politics that has
• 20:21
  Speaker 13: been driven by fear and division.
• 20:24
  Speaker 9: We are done with that.
• 20:26
  Speaker 10: We're done, We're exhausted with it.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: This turned the page.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm thinking of the sixties, you know, the
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: turnturn turns.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: It's a meaningless phrase.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: But also this, this idea of fear and divisional comes
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: from from the Trump side when you know that've just
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: been so divisive for so long on a range of issues,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: in particular race issues.
• 20:50
  Speaker 14: Of course, Yes, this woman is a completely vacuous, empty
• 20:54
  Speaker 14: pants suit.
• 20:55
  Speaker 10: She just spouts.
• 20:57
  Speaker 14: Talking points that mean nothing and bump stickers and fluff.
• 21:01
  Speaker 14: And it was exciting for the first week when they
• 21:03
  Speaker 14: replaced Biden with her, and people were kind of, you know,
• 21:07
  Speaker 14: on board with these with these slogans, But so many
• 21:10
  Speaker 14: people now, even Democrats, are saying, what does this woman
• 21:13
  Speaker 14: stand for? What are her plans? How is she actually
• 21:16
  Speaker 14: going to be different from Biden? A question, by the way,
• 21:18
  Speaker 14: that she's been asked in the very few media interviews
• 21:21
  Speaker 14: she's done, and she just won't answer it. Even when
• 21:23
  Speaker 14: she went on The View, a very liberal friendly show
• 21:26
  Speaker 14: to her here in the US, they asked her that question,
• 21:28
  Speaker 14: she can't answer it. So I just think at this
• 21:32
  Speaker 14: point everyone who's voting for her is doing so knowing
• 21:35
  Speaker 14: that we don't know what her policies are. They're just
• 21:37
  Speaker 14: casting a vote against Donald Trump, and that's what she
• 21:40
  Speaker 14: is banking on to get her across the finish line.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Now, you know, I shouldn't let hypocrisy get on my
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: nerves anymore because I.
• 21:46
  Speaker 10: Just see it everywhere every day.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: But it's kind of my driving motivation is to expose
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: blights and hypocrisy, and you can't get any better than this.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: The leading Democrats who for years told us that Joe
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Biden was okay, who lied to us about the capacities
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: of Joe Biden and said he was fit to be
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: president and to run again for president, will now have
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: a look what Nancy Pelosi says about Donald Trump.
• 22:12
  Speaker 16: People in my thinking about voting for him have to
• 22:15
  Speaker 16: know that he can't last as president for four years
• 22:18
  Speaker 16: with his brain deteriorating at the rate that it is,
• 22:20
  Speaker 16: and is clearly evident, and they may be voting for
• 22:23
  Speaker 16: President Vance, which would be a horrible thing for our country.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: So the people who's scoffed look out for Biden, you'll
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: end up with Harris, and now say look out for Trump,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: you'll end up with Vance.
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: Mey.
• 22:35
  Speaker 10: I like the idea of events anyway, Yeah, that would
• 22:38
  Speaker 10: be great.
• 22:39
  Speaker 14: No, but these people are such a joke. Their lines
• 22:43
  Speaker 14: about Trump just aren't working anymore, particularly this one. I mean,
• 22:47
  Speaker 14: this is just hilarious, trying to get Trump on his
• 22:49
  Speaker 14: age when they were telling us that Joe Biden was
• 22:53
  Speaker 14: totally with it. He's never been sharper, while the guy
• 22:56
  Speaker 14: was clearly a vegetable. I will say, even though Trump
• 22:59
  Speaker 14: is on the older side. He is aging quite well.
• 23:03
  Speaker 14: He's clearly very much with it. People age at different rates.
• 23:07
  Speaker 10: But this is just a joke.
• 23:09
  Speaker 14: I mean, nobody's taking that line of attacks seriously.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Pelosi, Yeah, it is.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: It is laughable, and I did really enjoy Donald Trump's
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: response a little bit of instance.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: Socho analysis have a look.
• 23:20
  Speaker 11: This was crazy, Nancy. She's such a bad one. She's
• 23:23
  Speaker 11: already plotting a move to try and impeach him. I'm
• 23:26
  Speaker 11: gonna she's already. She's a bad, sick woman. She's crazy
• 23:30
  Speaker 11: as a bed bug.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Crazy Nancy.
• 23:34
  Speaker 12: Hi.
• 23:35
  Speaker 14: This is why we love Trump. He is a natural comedian.
• 23:39
  Speaker 14: He's funny. He really loves interacting with and speaking to
• 23:43
  Speaker 14: regular working American people, and this is why he's been
• 23:47
  Speaker 14: so successful. But his comedic timing is perfect.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: Sure is pretty good stuff.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Thanks for stying up for us, Christen, you got a
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: big duy tomorrow and we'll catch you live he tomorrow,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: not when the results are in.
• 23:58
  Speaker 10: Sounds great.
• 23:59
  Speaker 14: Thank you, Chris.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Kristen Tate their Sky News contributed live from the US.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: We've got to take a break on the other side,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Susi O'Brien and Steven Senatiempo. We'll talk about Anthony Alberaneese's
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: old comments on Donald Trump coming back to haunt him,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: plus Greens senator and another shocking rant against Peter Dutton.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: We'll catch up with Susie and Stephen in just a moment,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: but before I bring them in, I wanted to show
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: them and use something that happened in Parliament today. Our
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: MPs didn't get to watch the Cup. Question time went
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: through the race, but just before question time the former
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Deputy Prime Minister Michael McCormack will He indulged everyone with
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: a phantom call of his own.
• 24:44
  Speaker 17: Starters locked away for the twenty twenty Poul Melbourne Kupper
• 24:48
  Speaker 17: politics election promises scratched the Greens fractious in the stalls
• 24:52
  Speaker 17: and appear unwilling.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: To race for you.
• 24:54
  Speaker 17: All now settled, the gates crash back and they're off
• 24:57
  Speaker 17: the Green's head sharp left through the Pinson right off
• 25:00
  Speaker 17: the course of Teal silhoueting. Collective instructions from Sable, Ada,
• 25:03
  Speaker 17: Simon and support have not left the barriers. Punners had
• 25:06
  Speaker 17: faith in Labor but in the early stages living up
• 25:08
  Speaker 17: to the name of the former Cup winner, win Bag,
• 25:11
  Speaker 17: the punner's.
• 25:11
  Speaker 10: Former favorite, the Prime Minister.
• 25:13
  Speaker 17: Who's losing ground at the cost of living rising fast.
• 25:16
  Speaker 17: The Treasurer who only thinks of his might and powers,
• 25:18
  Speaker 17: proving what a nuisance he can be.
• 25:20
  Speaker 10: He's all over the track.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: Anyone can win from here.
• 25:23
  Speaker 17: Heat's a real media puzzle. Australians are starting.
• 25:26
  Speaker 10: To bound to clear.
• 25:26
  Speaker 17: Laborer is giving up without a fight, shocking around the
• 25:29
  Speaker 17: home turn is the coalition making just to dash?
• 25:32
  Speaker 10: Blame has gone for the whip?
• 25:33
  Speaker 18: What's an hour?
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: Ail?
• 25:35
  Speaker 14: Hin there?
• 25:35
  Speaker 10: Straight flights?
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: Upgrades now beting called upon.
• 25:38
  Speaker 17: You can't rely on interest rates, you hope nowhere to
• 25:41
  Speaker 17: be seen. Immigration in a mighty rush, high energy costs
• 25:44
  Speaker 17: charging your head, Grocery prices can't continue. Economic confidence has fallen.
• 25:49
  Speaker 17: They just listen to the crown. The coalition now has
• 25:52
  Speaker 17: its nosey bro.
• 25:53
  Speaker 19: How terrific is that labor has given up In the
• 25:56
  Speaker 19: shadows of the postless speaker looms down the outside and
• 25:59
  Speaker 19: here it comes time and next the mass coition question
• 26:04
  Speaker 19: time speaker finer rendies the.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Speaker, former Deputy Prime Minister Michael McCormack, who rose to
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: that great office. But that might have been his best
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: ever contribution to politics. I reckon that's bringing Susie O'Bryan
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: from The Herald Son in Melbourne and Radio two Double
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: C Breakfast host Stephen Senna Tiempo in Canberra. That was
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: pretty good stuff I liked. I even got flight upgrades
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: in there, Stephen. And my favorite bit was the tills
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: wouldn't leave the barrier till they got the OK from
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Simon to court.
• 26:36
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 26:36
  Speaker 12: I give him ten for effort, eight for content and
• 26:38
  Speaker 12: six for delivery. But yeah, that was pretty good.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Oh g, you're a hard task master.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: I've critical vanom call so I've been very critical of
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Mick mack over the years. But that was good fun stuff, Susie.
• 26:53
  Speaker 18: I'm putting my money on the former Cup winner win bag.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that was I think a lot of
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: them go under that name. Actually they talk about talk
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: about wind bags. Let's have a look at this comment
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: from twenty seventeen Anthony Albanizi on Donald Trump and how
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: embarrassing this could be for him should things go one way.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Or the other tomorrow.
• 27:17
  Speaker 10: How do you deal with Trump?
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: Like with trapidation?
• 27:22
  Speaker 10: Yeah, but how do you get by, like how do
• 27:25
  Speaker 10: you tempt your language?
• 27:26
  Speaker 7: Well, you've got to deal with who was elected. So
• 27:31
  Speaker 7: we have an alliance with the US. We've got to
• 27:33
  Speaker 7: deal with him. But that doesn't mean that you're uncritical
• 27:37
  Speaker 7: about it. He's scarce out of me, and I think
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: it's some concern that the leader of the free world
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: thinks that you can conduct politics through one hundred and
• 27:50
  Speaker 7: forty characters on Twitter.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: He scares the out of him, Stephen, and he objects
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: to this blood conducting government via Twitter, whereas Elbow does
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: it through the loftier means of round.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Look.
• 28:07
  Speaker 12: Look, look, just proves what I've said all along. This
• 28:10
  Speaker 12: bloke never ever expected that he was going to be
• 28:12
  Speaker 12: Prime Minister, and now he's there and it's like, oops.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you'll probably get away with it, although
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: there's no doubt if he ever meets Trump as president
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: he'll be reminded of that. But SUSI, it brings to
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: the four again. Albo's great mate, Kevin Rudd.
• 28:27
  Speaker 10: He's been far.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: More expansive over the years, from far more senior positions
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: what he thinks of Donald Trump. And he'll be worried,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: sick that he might have to pull stumps and come
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: home if Trump wins.
• 28:40
  Speaker 18: Imagine Rod's going to have to cancel his book. To
• 28:44
  Speaker 18: my goodness, you know, you look at that clip of albow.
• 28:47
  Speaker 10: Just because you're wearing a T shirt doesn't mean you.
• 28:49
  Speaker 18: Get to say any crazy thing that comes in your head.
• 28:51
  Speaker 18: Although the funny thing is I actually think a lot
• 28:54
  Speaker 18: of people agree with him right now, and it's different
• 28:56
  Speaker 18: now he's the Prime minister. But he's certainly expressing see
• 29:00
  Speaker 18: intimates that have been widely expressed on both sides of politics.
• 29:04
  Speaker 18: You don't have to look too far to find that
• 29:07
  Speaker 18: coalition members. Former Attorney General George Brandis said that Trump
• 29:12
  Speaker 18: was too dangerous to become president again. So I think
• 29:16
  Speaker 18: these are very common sentiments. But you know, he's the
• 29:19
  Speaker 18: one who's going to be that is Prime Minister, and
• 29:22
  Speaker 18: we'll have to be dealing with Trump what happens there.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: There's certainly common sentiments in the public and from the media,
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: but they've always been over the top with Trump. People
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: are allowed to abuse him the way we haven't abused
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: any other politician. People are just so over the top,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: and damage is our.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: National interests, Stephen.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: If Rod's going to be in our ambassador, then it's
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: against the interests of anything Australian's trying to argue. When
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: the Americans remember him saying stuff like this.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: Here we go.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Trump at present represents a political liability for both sides
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: of Australian politics.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: This guy is problem. He is an objective problem for
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: the world, for the region.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: So the point is he's big noting himself. It's going
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: to it creates problems for him. Now, he never speaked
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: that way about Jiji being you know, it's pathetic.
• 30:18
  Speaker 12: Yeah, look, the thing is here is that I think
• 30:20
  Speaker 12: the only saving grace Ruds god is I don't think
• 30:22
  Speaker 12: we can let the US dictate to us who our
• 30:25
  Speaker 12: diplomatic appointments are. But look, I'm no fan of Trump's brashness.
• 30:30
  Speaker 12: I don't like the buffoonery. I don't like the crashness.
• 30:33
  Speaker 12: But when you dig down deep into policy and what
• 30:35
  Speaker 12: he was actually like when he was president, all of
• 30:38
  Speaker 12: this is unfounded and it's just absolute carry on. Its
• 30:41
  Speaker 12: lefties don't like politicians from the right.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: What a shock, you know.
• 30:45
  Speaker 12: So, I mean, if Kevin Rudd is judging somebody else's
• 30:48
  Speaker 12: performance in the top job, maybe he needs to take
• 30:50
  Speaker 12: a look back at when he was in the top
• 30:51
  Speaker 12: job here how many times six or seven or something
• 30:53
  Speaker 12: like that.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, look, it is typical, they all said.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan was a maniac and nuts and they all said,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: they all said.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: Margaret Thatcher was a monster.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: And of course what they didn't say about John Howard
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: isn't worth remembering. So a standard, our conservative leader is
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: vilified in this way, which brings me by our next topic.
• 31:15
  Speaker 10: Today.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: I was watching the Senate hearings into the ABC because
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: I was interested in that astonishing story about this shocking
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: reporting against Heston Russell and the Commandos, an apropos of nothing.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: It's seemingly completely out of context. We suddenly got this
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: from the Green senator Sarah Hanson. Young tends to really
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: dislike the young female.
• 31:36
  Speaker 10: Journalist, doesn't he asking pesky questions? You see how you've
• 31:40
  Speaker 10: treated some of the witnesses today. They can reject it.
• 31:44
  Speaker 10: They can reject it if it's not true, that is outright.
• 31:47
  Speaker 8: How many young female journalists has Peter Dutton attacked impress
• 31:50
  Speaker 8: conferences this year?
• 31:52
  Speaker 10: So you attack today?
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Okay, will either go to lunch now, So that's Peter Dutton.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Does he have a reputation for attacking young female journalists?
• 32:04
  Speaker 14: I think it is.
• 32:05
  Speaker 18: He has a reputation for attacking journalists who ask him
• 32:07
  Speaker 18: stupid questions such as whether hez Bala is a terrorist organization.
• 32:12
  Speaker 18: I mean, come on, and that's really a very damaging
• 32:16
  Speaker 18: and hurtful slur from Sarah Hanson Young. And it's the
• 32:19
  Speaker 18: kind of slur that you shouldn't just be throwing about
• 32:21
  Speaker 18: Willy nearly just to impress the media during Senate estimates. Disgraceful.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, as you say, it's it's demeaning to
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: female journalists, and as someone who used to deal with journalists,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: has been a journalist and dealt with journalists from the
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: other side, there's female journalist's vocals I did not like taking.
• 32:42
  Speaker 10: But here's one of the exchanges to which we.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: Presume Sarah Hanson Young was referring what sorry.
• 32:48
  Speaker 13: What determined?
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Even though where are you from?
• 32:53
  Speaker 20: I'm sorry, which organization?
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: Maybe C.
• 32:58
  Speaker 20: I had presumed up until this pointly that the ABC
• 33:00
  Speaker 20: supported the government's laws, and the government has passed laws
• 33:05
  Speaker 20: supported on a bipartisan basis, but not by the ABC.
• 33:08
  Speaker 20: It seems in relation to the prescribing or the listing
• 33:11
  Speaker 20: of a terrorist organization.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Oh, it is embarrassing, isn't it. Stephen.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: On the one hand, we've got the ABC exposed for
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: doctoring video and audio to smear our soldiers. On the
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: other hand, you can't answer a silly question with a
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: firm answer.
• 33:25
  Speaker 12: I thought he was quite measured in his response to
• 33:27
  Speaker 12: that journalist in that case and the other one that
• 33:29
  Speaker 12: is being thrown around that.
• 33:30
  Speaker 10: But I got a question.
• 33:31
  Speaker 12: Who knew Sarah Hanson Young was still in the Senate?
• 33:33
  Speaker 12: I mean where she's been for the last two years.
• 33:36
  Speaker 12: But you know, I mean, did anybody expect any any
• 33:38
  Speaker 12: more or any less from her faired InCom.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think she's made to look a bit too
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: uneuwsworthy by Lydia Thorpe. She was once the Lydia Thorpe
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: character and it's gone to a new level. So we
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: don't hear about Sarah Hanson Young anymore. I want to
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: ask you about a story you've reported on today, Susie,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: and this gets back to the horrible anti semitism we've
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: seen in this country. It's still going on, and you've
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: got this case where some schoolgirls are the latest victims.
• 34:08
  Speaker 18: Yeah, this is very concerning. A group of five year
• 34:11
  Speaker 18: eleven students from beth Rivke College were doing nothing other
• 34:15
  Speaker 18: than sitting on a tram on the way home from
• 34:17
  Speaker 18: a year twelve. It was a vce SO Year twelve
• 34:21
  Speaker 18: psychology exam and two boys got off the tram then
• 34:25
  Speaker 18: decided to walk directly past them they were still on
• 34:28
  Speaker 18: the stationary tram and yelled Hale Hitler at them, And
• 34:32
  Speaker 18: the girls said to me, they looked them in the
• 34:34
  Speaker 18: eye and yelld this abuse at them. Now police are investigating,
• 34:39
  Speaker 18: but there doesn't appear to be any CCTV vision, and
• 34:42
  Speaker 18: so police are asking members of the public to come forward.
• 34:45
  Speaker 18: But you know, this is an absolutely disgraceful act from
• 34:49
  Speaker 18: a bunch of sixteen and seventeen year old schoolboys who
• 34:53
  Speaker 18: absolutely should know better.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: They absolutely should know better. And I'm glad you've brought
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: it to our attention. I wanted to share it with
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: everyone because it.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: Just breaks your heart.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: The fifteen year old schoolgirls are confronted with this sort
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: of hatred and bigotry on the streets and it just
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: should not happen. And our country's got to do better,
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: and our leaders haven't stood up against it strongly enough.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Finish on a better note, you look like you were
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: dressed up for the races, Stephen.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: Did you get a winner?
• 35:19
  Speaker 12: No, no winner, But I did leave a function that
• 35:21
  Speaker 12: had ten dollar cocktails just for you, Chris.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, well I tried. I tried to box a trifecta
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: and got nowhere.
• 35:27
  Speaker 10: What about you, Susy, No, No, absolutely not. I'm not
• 35:32
  Speaker 10: that interested in the races.
• 35:33
  Speaker 18: It's a workday.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: For me, unfortunately.
• 35:35
  Speaker 18: Although I am wearing a pretty pink top, I'm trying
• 35:38
  Speaker 18: to get.
• 35:38
  Speaker 14: In the spirit.
• 35:39
  Speaker 10: You might have come straight from the birdcase. No such luck,
• 35:42
  Speaker 10: I hear. We go Night's Choice winning the Melbourne Cup.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: There.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: You know, as a Republican, I never would have picked
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Night's Choice anyway, only go by the names.
• 35:51
  Speaker 10: Thanks for joining us, guys, We'll catch.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: You next week.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Cz Obrien there from the Herald seven and Steven Senteth Tempe.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: You catch him at breakfast on two Double C in
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: the Nation's capital. After the break, Ross Greenwood joins us
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: from the Big Apple. I'm going to find out what
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: a Harris or Trump presidency.
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  Speaker 3: Will mean for the global economy. Let's get back to
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: the US election. As the early hours of election.
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  Speaker 2: Day morning in the US, and I want to talk
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  Speaker 2: about the possible economic and financial consequences. Sky News Business
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: editor Ross Greenwood is in New York City and I
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: asked him whether we're already seeing tension in the markets.
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  Speaker 21: Oh you betcha, Chris. I mean, there's no doubt that,
• 36:32
  Speaker 21: in particular that surprise Poland Iowa spook to financial markets.
• 36:36
  Speaker 21: And the reason was, at that time you looked at
• 36:39
  Speaker 21: the betting markets, stock market, you looked at the US
• 36:41
  Speaker 21: currency markets. They all expected a Donald Trump win. It
• 36:45
  Speaker 21: was going to be pretty comprehensive in their minds up
• 36:47
  Speaker 21: until that point. And when that Iowa poll came in,
• 36:51
  Speaker 21: you suddenly saw nervousness. The US dollald wobble, the US
• 36:53
  Speaker 21: stock market wobbled, and even what we can show you
• 36:56
  Speaker 21: is that the betting market fall. This has been the
• 36:59
  Speaker 21: best indicator of US presidential elections in the past couple
• 37:03
  Speaker 21: of elections. And what you can really see is that
• 37:06
  Speaker 21: last week Donald Trump had a sixty three percent expectation
• 37:09
  Speaker 21: from these cumulative betting markets that he would win the election. Well,
• 37:13
  Speaker 21: that got down to fifty five percent, currently sitting around
• 37:16
  Speaker 21: fifty six percent, Kamala Harris sitting at forty three percent. Now,
• 37:20
  Speaker 21: the reality is that that has tightened up, but it
• 37:22
  Speaker 21: still gives Donald Trump the edge according to those betting markets.
• 37:26
  Speaker 21: But the reason for this is because the financial markets
• 37:30
  Speaker 21: in particular, are really betting on Donald Trump bringing down
• 37:33
  Speaker 21: corporate taxes, bringing more industry back into the United States,
• 37:37
  Speaker 21: and really if you like supercharging many of those companies
• 37:40
  Speaker 21: that are on the US stock market.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about the tow all alternatives. I suppose
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: ross firstly, if Kamala Harris was to be elected, therefore,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: it's really a continuation of the current regime. So you
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  Speaker 2: would have thought that in terms of economic management and
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: the financial markets, that's just a predictable trajectory.
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  Speaker 3: None.
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  Speaker 21: I think that's right. But then not only predictable, but
• 38:06
  Speaker 21: the question is where is America going right now? The
• 38:10
  Speaker 21: reality is that many people are disillusioned about where America
• 38:13
  Speaker 21: is going. You know those say, for example, Democrats are
• 38:17
  Speaker 21: saying America's economy strong. When you're on the streets, when
• 38:20
  Speaker 21: you're talking to the people, they're saying, hey, it might
• 38:22
  Speaker 21: be strong, we're not feeling strong. We're feeling as spending
• 38:25
  Speaker 21: power has gone backwards, it hasn't recovered and really was
• 38:29
  Speaker 21: seeing even though we have jobs, the fact is that
• 38:32
  Speaker 21: that money is not going far enough. Now you go
• 38:35
  Speaker 21: to the other side, and what Donald Trump is saying
• 38:37
  Speaker 21: is that he wishes to try and change even the
• 38:40
  Speaker 21: whole tax system, the way in which it's structured to
• 38:42
  Speaker 21: try and bring more relief to companies and taxes, to
• 38:45
  Speaker 21: actually bring down personal income taxes.
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  Speaker 3: So in many.
• 38:48
  Speaker 21: Ways, Donald Trump is almost really you know, sort of
• 38:52
  Speaker 21: pushing his message to aspiring Americans. And the fact of
• 38:56
  Speaker 21: the matter is, in many cases, I would suggest this
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  Speaker 21: is even split families that many have probably drifted towards
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  Speaker 21: Kamala Harris, but many men, it doesn't matter whether Hispanic
• 39:04
  Speaker 21: men or black voters, that they have tended to drift
• 39:07
  Speaker 21: towards Donald Trump because they feel as though that's going
• 39:10
  Speaker 21: to be better for them, their families and maybe their
• 39:13
  Speaker 21: livelihoods into the future.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about that other option, that is Donald
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Trump returning. It's only happened once before in American politics
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  Speaker 2: for a president to lose an election then come back
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: a term later. Now, if he's to do that, as
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: you say, a lot of focus on reducing taxes for corporations,
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: getting business going again, but also he talks a big
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: game on tariffs. Now the way I read a lot
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: of the times, he talks tariffs as a threat to
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: try and get other countries to do what he wants.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: In the ideal world, he wouldn't have to impose any
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: higher tariffs. But is that a worry especially for Australia
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: if we see higher tariff barriers and could Australia get
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: harmed in the crossfire if you like, Well.
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  Speaker 3: There's no doubt.
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  Speaker 21: And we saw that the last time that Donald Trump
• 39:59
  Speaker 21: was the in power was really that Australia got wedged
• 40:03
  Speaker 21: between the United States and China. So there is a
• 40:05
  Speaker 21: potential danger for Australia. The second factor also is that
• 40:09
  Speaker 21: what Donald Trump is proposing is something that hasn't been
• 40:12
  Speaker 21: used in America since the early nineteen hundreds, and that
• 40:15
  Speaker 21: is to use tariffs as a form to the government
• 40:18
  Speaker 21: to raise revenue rather than income taxes. Now, this is
• 40:22
  Speaker 21: quite radical stuff. Many people suggest it will just simply
• 40:25
  Speaker 21: add to inflation, because if you start putting big tariffs
• 40:28
  Speaker 21: on in particular Chinese goods, or goods coming in from Europe,
• 40:31
  Speaker 21: or goods coming in from other parts of Asia, you
• 40:34
  Speaker 21: are going to raise those prices in America, which could
• 40:37
  Speaker 21: raise inflation. So that's one aspect of it. Then the
• 40:40
  Speaker 21: second aspect of it is what does that do in
• 40:42
  Speaker 21: terms of your relationships with those other countries. Remember that.
• 40:46
  Speaker 21: Donald Trump is also saying that he wants the allies
• 40:49
  Speaker 21: of the United States to start spending two percent of
• 40:51
  Speaker 21: their budgets on the defense of the nations. He says
• 40:55
  Speaker 21: America needs its allies to pay their own way. So
• 40:59
  Speaker 21: that even goes to the heart of what's happening in
• 41:01
  Speaker 21: the Middle East, what's happening in Ukraine right now, and
• 41:04
  Speaker 21: what's happening in our region. That Australia may very well
• 41:07
  Speaker 21: be beholden to spend a lot more money on defense
• 41:09
  Speaker 21: in the future, and of course that affects our budget
• 41:12
  Speaker 21: as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there is also something we should do, and that
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: worked last time. Trump's certainly got the NATO countries to
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: spend more of their money.
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  Speaker 10: Just briefly, ross I.
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  Speaker 1: No.
• 41:20
  Speaker 10: Immigration has been such a big issue.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: It's even drifted into New York City because of where
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: migrants have been placed.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: But Trump's now threatening.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Mexico with taris versus as a financial penalty unless you
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: stop the illegal immigrants coming across our southern border, will
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: make you pay you. That's again a very trumpy and tactic,
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: but it puts more pressure on Mexico to uphold hits
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: responsibilities on each side of the border.
• 41:47
  Speaker 21: So it does. Indeed, and I mean this is really
• 41:49
  Speaker 21: there's a NAFTA, a North American Free Trade agreement where
• 41:53
  Speaker 21: goods move between Canada, the United States Mexico without any
• 41:57
  Speaker 21: tariffs whatsoever. But the reality is now saying, and it's
• 42:00
  Speaker 21: only today he said it very late in the election piece,
• 42:03
  Speaker 21: a twenty five percent tariff on Mexico unless they come
• 42:07
  Speaker 21: up with their fair share, as you say, of responsibility
• 42:11
  Speaker 21: to try and prevent immigrants coming into America. Now, they
• 42:15
  Speaker 21: suggested some two and a half million migrants might have
• 42:17
  Speaker 21: come in two hundred and fifty zerousand at least, or
• 42:19
  Speaker 21: maybe more have come into New York City. We went
• 42:22
  Speaker 21: to the Roosevelt at Hotel today, which is one of
• 42:24
  Speaker 21: the most famous hotels in the United States in New
• 42:28
  Speaker 21: York City. There's no doubt presidents have had their own
• 42:31
  Speaker 21: election campaigns here. Well, that's been turned into a migration
• 42:34
  Speaker 21: center effectively, because there's no space to put the number
• 42:37
  Speaker 21: of migrants coming in, there's no housing, and so they've
• 42:40
  Speaker 21: really had to turn this old hotel that was owned
• 42:42
  Speaker 21: by Pakistan airlines that have gone broke, turned it now
• 42:45
  Speaker 21: into a migrant sheld. And I'll say it's really polarized
• 42:48
  Speaker 21: opinions here on the streets in New York, about the
• 42:51
  Speaker 21: migration issue, about the cost of housing, and about obviously,
• 42:55
  Speaker 21: as Donald Trump says, the crime rates in America as well.
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  Speaker 2: Ross, thanks so much for your analysis. I'll be You'll
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: have a busy day tomorrow. I'll be in New York
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: City and at Christmas time, so I'm looking forward to
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: your intel on where to get the best steak.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: Have a good night, mate.
• 43:11
  Speaker 21: Oh, I'll have plenty of that for you, don't worry.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: Thanks so much, Chris Ross Green with there all over
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: it as usual.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Now after the break, Tim Blair will join me wor
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: plenty on what's happening in the US. Plus a Libyan
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: battery recycling plant goes up in flames. Look at those emissions.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Let's catch up with Tim Blair from the Daily Telegraph.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: He joins us from the Wimmera region of Victoria, but
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: he knows the US backwards.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Good to see you made.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: I loved your explainer in the telling about how to
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: interpret the results when they come in.
• 43:48
  Speaker 22: Well, this is the day when people like me, you know,
• 43:51
  Speaker 22: us political nerds, we get to shine a little bit
• 43:54
  Speaker 22: and hopefully get things right here or there. Although this
• 43:59
  Speaker 22: election it is so close, so hard to read, and
• 44:04
  Speaker 22: so unpredictable already, and Lord only knows what we have
• 44:07
  Speaker 22: coming for us the next day or so.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Well as it was the last time, right, I mean,
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Trump just did so much better last time than most
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: of the media are expected.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: And you can see that surge coming.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: But it just to count in all those swing states
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: to see which way they fell, So a whole lot
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: of votes don't have to shift for a lot of
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: those swing states to go either with Trump or Harris.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: In the end, you could have a comfortable victory, but
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: it could go either side absolutely.
• 44:33
  Speaker 22: As I mentioned in the story today and the Telegraph,
• 44:35
  Speaker 22: we've got seven, you know, swing states. There could be more,
• 44:38
  Speaker 22: we don't know, but we've got seven swing states where
• 44:42
  Speaker 22: one candidate might clean all of them up half a percent.
• 44:46
  Speaker 22: And it means that the numbers won't be huge, but
• 44:48
  Speaker 22: it be a landslide in terms of the electoral college.
• 44:51
  Speaker 22: So let's I mean, if anyone's not watching this, you know,
• 44:54
  Speaker 22: I envy them for having lives, But it's going to
• 44:56
  Speaker 22: be compulsive you all throughout tomorrow.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: One sky that's for sure sure is what does annoy
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: me is the way people talk about this is some
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: sort of horrible, idiotic or even corruptible system. I mean,
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: that's the way federations work, and our own electoral system
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: is very similar. Quite often, governments can be formed by
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: the party who doesn't win the popular vote. In the end,
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: it comes down, in our case to the key electorates.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: There might be a dozen of them in any given election,
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: and it doesn't matter what everyone else does.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: We know where they're going.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: It's only those marginal electorates that count totally.
• 45:29
  Speaker 22: And I know a lot of people look at the
• 45:31
  Speaker 22: US and say, well, why don't they have like an AEC,
• 45:34
  Speaker 22: like an Australian Electoral Commission, with universal standards where everyone's
• 45:38
  Speaker 22: you know, filling in the same forms and it's all
• 45:41
  Speaker 22: level and we can all compare like with like against that.
• 45:44
  Speaker 22: I mean, you've got to love diversity, and you've got
• 45:47
  Speaker 22: fifty states that generally have a lot of different things,
• 45:49
  Speaker 22: even different counties within those states sometimes or parishes in
• 45:52
  Speaker 22: the case of places like Louisiana. They have their own
• 45:54
  Speaker 22: way of doing things. Yes, they let diversity thrive and absolutely.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: As it falls, yeah, absolutely, and viva state's rights. We've
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: surrendered so many of them in this country. Let's have
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: a look at Donald Trump's final message.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: This is his big pitch today.
• 46:08
  Speaker 11: Are you better off now that you were four years ago?
• 46:16
  Speaker 11: Because over the past four years Americans have suffered one
• 46:21
  Speaker 11: catastrophic value betrayal and humiliation after another.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Now that's pretty stock standard when things are going badly
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: economically and with border protection and the likea.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: I think Peter Dunton's.
• 46:34
  Speaker 10: Pitch next year will be pretty much the same.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Anyone hear better often when Albo said he'd make everything
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: better and reduce.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: Your power prices and improve your cost of living.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: So it's a standard and pretty compelling political argument as
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: compared to Kamala Harris's final pitch.
• 46:50
  Speaker 13: Let's get out the vote. Let's get out the vote.
• 46:53
  Speaker 13: Let's get out the vote. Let's get out the vote.
• 46:56
  Speaker 13: Let's get out the vote.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: Let's win, mate.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: I would vote for Donald Trump just to never hear
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: that laugh again.
• 47:08
  Speaker 22: She's known for repeating phrases and for her cackle, and
• 47:12
  Speaker 22: then that took closing message was a repeated phrase and
• 47:15
  Speaker 22: a cackle. Come on, she hasn't done enough to release
• 47:20
  Speaker 22: the Greatest Hits album yet, but that's where she's going,
• 47:23
  Speaker 22: and it looked kind of a bit avatorat They didn't
• 47:26
  Speaker 22: it with the handmade sign so on, So maybe that's
• 47:28
  Speaker 22: an indication of a FOIUL campaign. We don't know.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Now, just let me finish on another topic, because you've
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: been hot on electric vehicles and the dangers of battery fires.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: It is a serious issue. Have a look at this
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: in the US.
• 47:42
  Speaker 9: Look at this a huge explosion at a battery recycling
• 47:47
  Speaker 9: plant in Missouri. A witness captured the video when it
• 47:50
  Speaker 9: happened yesterday afternoon in Fredericktown. Smoke and fire poured out
• 47:54
  Speaker 9: of the facility, reportedly one of the largest in the world.
• 47:57
  Speaker 9: That process is lithium ion batteries. Seventy five workers evacuated
• 48:02
  Speaker 9: the plant.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: There's those batteries reducing emissions again.
• 48:06
  Speaker 22: Absolutely, And we see what happens on a small scale
• 48:09
  Speaker 22: when these things buy up with east scooters. We see
• 48:11
  Speaker 22: you on mediums and large scales with houses and buildings,
• 48:14
  Speaker 22: and now we see what happens with a massive lithium
• 48:16
  Speaker 22: ion recycling thing. If that was a US sorry, are
• 48:19
  Speaker 22: you a uranium facility or something to do with fossil fuels?
• 48:21
  Speaker 22: Front page news everywhere because it's lithium batteries. Yeah, it
• 48:25
  Speaker 22: doesn't matter. It doesn't get a lot of coverage.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: It doesn't get a lot of coverage, and it is
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: probably still burning. Thanks for joining us, Tim, I appreciate it.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: Jeers mate Tim Blair there. You can read his stuff
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: in the Daily Telegraph. It's all the time we got
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: for here today. I'll be back tomorrow. I'm going to
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: join Kieran.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: On the desk as we cover the US election for
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: some of tomorrow afternoon, and then i'll be back here
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: for the Kenny Report at five o'clock. Crossing live to
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Kristin and others in the US. Don't miss it. Here's
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: Peter Credlin