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0:09
Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back.
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Speaker 2: What's going on? Everybody? It's Jeff Mosher and Adam Kaplan.
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Speaker 2: We are still going inside the.
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Speaker 1: Eagles depth chart at every position, and we've come to
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Speaker 1: a position, Adam now.
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Speaker 2: That I actually enjoy talking about.
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Speaker 1: And that's kind of crazy, right, because for as long
0:27
Speaker 1: as we've done this and tried to do position by
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Speaker 1: position previews and intel on the Eagles, whenever you got
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Speaker 1: to off ball linebacker or middle linebacker, whatever you wanted
0:36
Speaker 1: to call it. Back in the day, it would be like,
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Speaker 1: all right, or four to three outside linebacker, let's.
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Speaker 2: Talk about the guys.
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Speaker 1: But now, I wonder for anyone who was sort of
0:45
Speaker 1: became an Eagles fan right after Jeremiah Trotter's heyday. So
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Speaker 1: let's say people who became Eagles fans two thousand and six,
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Speaker 1: two and seven, you know, until now or until a
0:55
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, they witnessed some of the worst,
0:58
Speaker 1: you know, off ball linebacker and he was so this
1:01
Speaker 1: must be for them, what like the Buddy years were
1:05
Speaker 1: like for people who really like defense because they had
1:07
Speaker 1: good linebackers back then.
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Speaker 2: But it was a long time.
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Speaker 3: Oh God, Joiner and you go through the list. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: but it was so dry after that. I mean, it
1:15
Speaker 3: was just the decades of futility at linebackers.
1:20
Speaker 4: It's kind of funny because I.
1:21
Speaker 3: Remember, you know, like three or four years ago, I
1:23
Speaker 3: remember saying on this show fulk we promise you that
1:27
Speaker 3: this group will not embarrass you anymore. We don't know
1:29
Speaker 3: how good they would be, but we knew they were
1:31
Speaker 3: gonna better than they've had in years. And yeah, and
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Speaker 3: then the Zach Bond revelation, I mean, who the hell
1:35
Speaker 3: knew this is gonna happen. It just was ridiculously great.
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Speaker 3: He's been one of the best linebackers in football overall.
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Speaker 3: It's hard to believe.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 3: So as we go through this, your your starters are
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Speaker 3: obvious Bond and Campbell.
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Speaker 4: Campbell.
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Speaker 3: The question is now that he's had his both shoulders
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Speaker 3: fixed over a two year period, when he's ready, is
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Speaker 3: this cure?
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Speaker 4: Everything? Is this okay?
2:01
Speaker 3: No more problems like you never know what you could
2:03
Speaker 3: always have a setback? Right is You're gonna be okay?
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Speaker 3: So you're worry about that. But this opportunity now though,
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Speaker 3: for guys like Jeremiah Trotta Junior, who behind the scenes
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Speaker 3: is we know it look pretty good, but a good
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Speaker 3: special teams player sa mile Mon, And who's who's bigger physically?
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Speaker 3: Chance Campbell, who's with Bobby King, the Eagles linebackers coach
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Speaker 3: with the Titans. He's got really good athleticism, he's a
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Speaker 3: long lots of injuries. So it's and Deontay Lawson, who's
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Speaker 3: a very talented linebacker from Alabama who went through his
2:34
Speaker 3: injuries stuff. That's why he wasn't drafted. So the thing
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Speaker 3: is right now they've got an opportunity to look at
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Speaker 3: a lot of these young kids in the off season program.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely looking forward to it. It's you know, you
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Speaker 1: mentioned Chance Campbell. This guy's like a Scout team legend, right,
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Speaker 1: and people speak lowingly of just how hard he goes
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Speaker 1: out and practice, and you need those kind of guys,
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Speaker 1: especially for special teams. It'll be interesting, Adam with we
3:01
Speaker 1: keep saying how many guys you can keep at certain
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Speaker 1: positions that you don't particularly value.
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Speaker 2: Not that they don't value off ball linebacker anymore.
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Speaker 1: They clearly show that they paid Zach baughd top market
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Speaker 1: money and they use the first round pick on Campbell,
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Speaker 1: But how many of those guys are they going to
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Speaker 1: keep if they're going heavy at other areas is a
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Speaker 1: big question.
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Speaker 2: But to start at the top, you know, Zach. To
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Speaker 2: see the Eagles give.
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Speaker 1: A top market extension to an off ball linebacker and
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Speaker 1: then draft one in the first round in successive years
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Speaker 1: really just shows you how far this scheme has come
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Speaker 1: and Vic Fangio's role in it.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying Vic Fangio tells Howie who to draft
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Speaker 1: or has influence, but they how he has done a
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Speaker 1: good job of giving Fangio what he needs to make
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Speaker 1: the scheme work.
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Speaker 2: And if that meant taking.
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Speaker 1: A linebacker in the first round off ball linebacker, he
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Speaker 1: did it. If it meant extending Zach Bahn to top
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Speaker 1: market money, he did it. This will actually be the
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Speaker 1: third year of that three year contract, if I'm not
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Speaker 1: mistaken at him.
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Speaker 2: So the future of.
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Speaker 1: This position is pretty much something we should explore and
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Speaker 1: talk about because I believe he gets to thirty, if
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Speaker 1: he's not already, he is at that age where typically
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Speaker 1: the Eagles start to get concerned about wear and tear
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Speaker 1: and the future of a player.
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Speaker 2: And then that additional contract.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you should know they did an adjustment recently on
4:21
Speaker 3: Bond's contract.
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Speaker 4: Twenty eight has got a little bit of salary.
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Speaker 3: So the way I understand it, like if he wants
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Speaker 3: to come back after twenty seven, they'd have to redo it.
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Speaker 3: This is typical of the way that they've done a
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Speaker 3: lot of these extensions with older players, right. But he's
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Speaker 3: been he's been, to be honest with you, he's been
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Speaker 3: one of the You can't give how We all the
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Speaker 3: credit because he signed him, but he didn't sign him
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Speaker 3: for the position he's playing. But he just looked at
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Speaker 3: the success of Bond. It's right up there. It's not
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Speaker 3: quite because he's a football player comparably to my lotta,
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Speaker 3: but it's as unexpected as anything we've seen in a
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Speaker 3: long time. All around great guy, I mean, really class
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Speaker 3: human being. Never really developed as an edge rusher with
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Speaker 3: New Orleans, very very limited snaps as a linebacker, very limited.
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Speaker 4: Snaps, more of an edge rusher.
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Speaker 3: Okay was signed here to play edge backup edge minimum deal,
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Speaker 3: by the way, vetteran minimum dealt No one thought anything
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Speaker 3: of them. Probably wasn't gonna be here after a year.
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Speaker 3: This is just another one of those one year deals. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: so unexpected to be one of the best players of
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Speaker 3: his position. You can't make it up. And it does
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Speaker 3: not happen with Vic Fangio. Fancio saw something no other
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Speaker 3: team saw, correct.
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Speaker 1: Including Tennis Allen Right, who was his CHI coordinator in
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Speaker 1: New Orleans, who is a very good defensive coordinator. So
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Speaker 1: that just shows you just how second level Fangio was
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So Bond's got ideal that Another thing that he's really
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Speaker 3: good with.
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Speaker 4: We don't talk about it enough.
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Speaker 3: It's all tape based, of course, is that he's phenomenal coverage,
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Speaker 3: one of the best linebacker coverage linebackers, and he's got length, yes,
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Speaker 3: and he could rush the passer.
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Speaker 4: He's just it's just one of these things.
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Speaker 3: And if Bonce talked about it, you know why he
6:36
Speaker 3: hadn't played linebacker before. It's because they didn't really see
6:40
Speaker 3: him as a linebacker as he wasn't one really at
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Speaker 3: at Wisconsin. Right, So here we are, so you know,
6:46
Speaker 3: he's firmly entrenched. You know, it's a shame that Campbell's
6:50
Speaker 3: missing all these valuable snaps. That's not good. He's a
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Speaker 3: full time linebacker. As we said on the previous show,
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Speaker 3: with edge rushers, he's not going to be playing edge.
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Speaker 4: That's not happening. They don't, but they have no room
7:00
Speaker 4: for him now. They literally have no room for him.
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Speaker 3: So, I mean, he can't rush the passer every once
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Speaker 3: in a while, but he's not going to play the
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Speaker 3: tr edge. In fact, last year he wasn't really a
7:08
Speaker 3: true edge when he did it. He was an added
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Speaker 3: defender against the run. As Greco's Heel pointed out, he
7:13
Speaker 3: really wasn't what he goes. He's not doing what you
7:15
Speaker 3: think he's really doing. The tape shows this, right.
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Speaker 2: The objective for Jahad Campbell, well it's twofold. One is
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Speaker 2: to stay healthy. Be healthy.
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Speaker 1: He's got to get over these shoulder issues that he's had.
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Speaker 1: But two, assuming full health is he's got to learn
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Speaker 1: how to play downhill. Both in the run, getting off blocks,
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Speaker 1: and then also in getting downhill as a sim pressure
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Speaker 1: blitzer the way Nikobe Dean did. Now he may never reach.
7:42
Speaker 1: Nikobe Dean was on another level last year. I've never
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Speaker 1: seen a guy his size who is constantly beat up
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Speaker 1: just be able to truck really good running backs and
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Speaker 1: pass protection.
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Speaker 2: We're talking about like Josh.
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Speaker 1: Jacobs and David Montgomery. I mean he he, he did
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Speaker 1: to them what no one's smith was doing, the pulling
8:01
Speaker 1: guards like Tray Smith and Elton Jenkins. So it was
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Speaker 1: really fun to see. And that's a unique trait. It's
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Speaker 1: not even some really good linebackers in the NFL don't
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Speaker 1: do it that good of a job of getting downhill,
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Speaker 1: blowing up blitz protection, pass protection and getting to the quarterback.
8:19
Speaker 1: I don't know if John will ever be like that.
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Speaker 1: But one thing John really excels at Adam and you
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Speaker 1: saw that is and you saw it from the opener
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Speaker 1: right is range speed athleticism. I remember him, you know,
8:32
Speaker 1: covering the alley on a deep post in the season
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Speaker 1: opener against the Cowboys, breaking up a pass to Ferguson.
8:38
Speaker 1: That was a really nice throw from Dak. But Campbell's
8:41
Speaker 1: with him stride for stride. Those are the elements of
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Speaker 1: the game that I think he's actually better, a little
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Speaker 1: better at than Ni Kobe. So if he can become
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Speaker 1: more of a downhill player and put it all together
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Speaker 1: here in year three, you might have a real special talent.
8:55
Speaker 1: And then to go back to balling what you were saying,
8:57
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back to that Dallas game again. You
8:59
Speaker 1: remember Miles Sanders breaking a tackle, scampering up the left
9:02
Speaker 1: side and almost having a touchdown until a two hundred
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Speaker 1: and twenty five pound linebacker chased them down from behind
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Speaker 1: and tackled him, and then they wound up turning all
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Speaker 1: over on the next play. So we all had concerns
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Speaker 1: going into last year. A little bit of is that
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Speaker 1: knduct won't do this again? Was that just a oh
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Speaker 1: I remember that discussion? Yeah, why not start? No, No,
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Speaker 1: he's the gifts are there, man, He's good.
9:27
Speaker 4: It's it's you know what this is gonna be a
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Speaker 4: little extreme bit. Work with me on this.
9:31
Speaker 3: It's a little bit like all the Christopher Sanchez was
9:33
Speaker 3: a pitcher when you when they when the Phillies made
9:37
Speaker 3: that trade with the d Rays, it was Curtis the
9:40
Speaker 3: Immortal Curtis met who still round. By the way, Yeah,
9:43
Speaker 3: both teams, they just they were after thoughts. No one
9:46
Speaker 3: had any thought that Christopher Sanchez would be anything that
9:49
Speaker 3: a middle reliever right long arm, never make it as a.
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Speaker 4: Starter, correct.
9:53
Speaker 3: Now, great coaching by the way, with Caleb Cotham, the
9:56
Speaker 3: Phillies' pitching coach.
9:57
Speaker 4: That's why coaching matters. I get it.
9:59
Speaker 3: It's players want one coaches one a in some cases
10:04
Speaker 3: coaches one over player in terms of understanding. I see
10:07
Speaker 3: something you don't see about yourself in the NFL. Yeah,
10:11
Speaker 3: bringing back to Fanow Bobby King. Another thing, does this
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Speaker 3: happen with that Bobby King?
10:15
Speaker 2: That's a great question.
10:17
Speaker 1: He's been He's been a tremendous coach. And it's not
10:20
Speaker 1: just because his players are succeeding. His players often talk
10:24
Speaker 1: about his coaching, his block destruction principles, his techniques. And
10:31
Speaker 1: the amazing part of that is this is the only
10:33
Speaker 1: position coach who had no connection to Vic Fangio. So
10:37
Speaker 1: you can't even say it's like a Tangi influence thing.
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Speaker 1: But I remember a couple of people in the building,
10:43
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of years ago just saying, Hey,
10:46
Speaker 1: this guy is the real that.
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Speaker 2: You can see it. You can see the way he
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Speaker 2: drills his guys. They like him.
10:51
Speaker 1: He's sort of like the poor man's or the lesser
10:54
Speaker 1: known just Stoutland of off ball linebacker coaching because he's
10:58
Speaker 1: done a good job with a variety of different guys
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Speaker 1: from a variety of different pedigrees, draft backgrounds, and they
11:03
Speaker 1: all speak very highly of him. So I don't, I know,
11:06
Speaker 1: we shouldn't throw around the old Jeff Stealtlin labeled you know,
11:10
Speaker 1: loosely there, but honestly, I mean, Zach Band's a great
11:13
Speaker 1: Zach Ballan is a Jordan my Lota in some regards
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Speaker 1: that guy and nobody thought could do it, and there
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Speaker 1: he is doing it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a great story. So there.
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Speaker 3: And another thing is they I'd have to look it up,
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Speaker 3: but just off hand, I got there very many. Starting
11:27
Speaker 3: as Vic calls some ILB duos, he doesn't like the
11:30
Speaker 3: term off ball linebacker.
11:31
Speaker 4: Although they are.
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Speaker 3: Of over six foot two. Both are over six foot two.
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Speaker 3: You just don't see that, right. That's to have the
11:39
Speaker 3: height and length. Some length is really important if you
11:43
Speaker 3: have it. Now. The only thing about Campbell is again
11:46
Speaker 3: because he's not gonna be working keep practicing. It's he
11:50
Speaker 3: needs the reps. And greg O Stell talked about this.
11:55
Speaker 3: What made the and elite when healthy is his instincts.
11:59
Speaker 3: It just some guys who have a knack bond actually
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Speaker 3: has it, which you knew the hell would have known this.
12:05
Speaker 3: Campbell's still relatively new to inside backers, so not getting
12:08
Speaker 3: these wraps is it's not good for his development. And
12:12
Speaker 3: folks are just gonna have to be patient. Whenever he
12:14
Speaker 3: starts practicing, he's gonna have to be put on the
12:16
Speaker 3: fast track.
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Speaker 2: Yep.
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Speaker 3: And you're just gonna have to see there're gonna be
12:20
Speaker 3: some place he's just not gonna be able to make
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Speaker 3: because he hadn't had that practice time.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right.
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Speaker 1: I mean it's really I think we talked about this
12:26
Speaker 1: in the D Line pod. It kind of sucks when
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Speaker 1: two staples of your interior defense, your your top flight
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Speaker 1: defensive tackle and one of your off ball linebackers both
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Speaker 1: have shoulder injuries and both shoulders right, because I think
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Speaker 1: Campbell with both shoulders that.
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Speaker 4: He's had both yet and by the way, the.
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Speaker 3: Biggest injuries for linebackers overall, particularly middle linebackers. In this
12:51
Speaker 3: case of thirty four inside backer or shoulder injuries. I
12:55
Speaker 3: know that for a fact that those are the biggest
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Speaker 3: injuries shoulder than arm, like biceps, triceps, stuff like that.
13:03
Speaker 3: And that's this just now he's had both done here.
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Speaker 3: That's disappointing, and you just have to hope. And there's
13:10
Speaker 3: a reason why he dropped in the draft. Who where
13:11
Speaker 3: the Eagles were able to get him. You just hope
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Speaker 3: that this is it, like, Okay, they've got this taken
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Speaker 3: care of. He's got to protect himself the best he can.
13:19
Speaker 3: There's only so much you could do with traffic coming
13:21
Speaker 3: at you. And then the second group, Mont's got length,
13:26
Speaker 3: Trotchun you're smaller, but really instinctive sexually. No. Monond really
13:31
Speaker 3: hasn't played, so you don't know, and Trotun you're barely played.
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Speaker 3: But you feel good about that because of where they
13:37
Speaker 3: went to school, how they were thought of coming into
13:39
Speaker 3: the draft, But you don't know until they have to play.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you could.
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Speaker 1: There were times last year and the preseason is really
13:44
Speaker 1: the only extended look that we have with those guys
13:46
Speaker 1: where you could tell that Mandan's athleticism was his hallmark,
13:51
Speaker 1: and that really showed also on special teams as far
13:53
Speaker 1: as playing the position. And again, it's hard to make
13:55
Speaker 1: much of preseason, but I do remember just making mental
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Speaker 1: notes of some struggles as far as getting downhill, getting
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Speaker 1: the run, getting off blocks. He is a smaller, faster guy,
14:06
Speaker 1: so I shouldn't say smaller, but under for lighter, lighter,
14:09
Speaker 1: faster guy. Same thing that was said about Nacoby as
14:13
Speaker 1: far as you know, being built for the long haul
14:15
Speaker 1: of the NFL. But he hasn't had to play a
14:17
Speaker 1: whole lot of snaps. So those guys will get plenty
14:21
Speaker 1: of run this preseason. You're right on Trotter. I mean
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Speaker 1: the instincts is there developments there be. It's very interesting
14:27
Speaker 1: that the Eagles, even with the Nacobe and the Jahad
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Speaker 1: Campbell injuries, really haven't had to go into their deeper
14:35
Speaker 1: into their their depth chart to call on those guys to.
14:38
Speaker 2: Have to play significant amount snaps.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then well, speaking of that, so I know
14:43
Speaker 3: some people think they should sign a veteran. Here's the
14:46
Speaker 3: reason why they don't have to do it. It's not
14:47
Speaker 3: like Campbell won't be ready for the regular season. If
14:49
Speaker 3: for some reason he wasn't. If they if they thought
14:52
Speaker 3: he might not be back until late August, different story.
14:55
Speaker 3: You probably need to bring in a veteran, Yeah, could
14:57
Speaker 3: you really? Because he hold him so much time, he's
15:00
Speaker 3: going to be so behind as long as he's back
15:02
Speaker 3: sometime for training camp. He doesn't he doesn't necessarily have
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Speaker 3: to play in the preseason. He just needs to get
15:08
Speaker 3: practice time in. He's got to be he's got to
15:10
Speaker 3: be on the field. But they don't need to do anything.
15:12
Speaker 3: And Trop Junior is now in year three. Think they
15:15
Speaker 3: think highly of them, and he's a guy that if
15:21
Speaker 3: you need to play him, you play him. So they're
15:23
Speaker 3: okay there where whereas at safety they don't really have
15:27
Speaker 3: much of a choice. They kind of have to sign
15:28
Speaker 3: a veteran at some point.
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Speaker 1: Right right, do you have Do I have any curiosity
15:34
Speaker 1: about how this changeover from Nikobe to Jahad will go
15:37
Speaker 1: from an overall impact on the defense the way Nikobe?
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean, oh yeah, I mean, look, okay,
15:44
Speaker 3: so you gain size with Campbell, you gain physicality potential,
15:49
Speaker 3: no question about it. But he doesn't have the instincts yet.
15:52
Speaker 3: He just because he's new to the position, he's not
15:55
Speaker 3: getting that practice time in, and you worry about it.
15:58
Speaker 3: I mean, there's there's no question that it's it's it's
16:01
Speaker 3: an issue. Yeah, and na Kobe one of the most
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Speaker 3: instinctive linebackers. This is year nine for US no offense
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Speaker 3: to t J. Edwards has turned out to be a
16:11
Speaker 3: good player. It's got paid pretty well. The Kobe's a
16:14
Speaker 3: better football player around.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I think it's play.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's not as I mean that neither of
16:21
Speaker 3: his guys pretty big at all. But Nakobe is just
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Speaker 3: made up for back to back major injuries. Okay, back
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Speaker 3: to back list frank rupture, Okay, the full blown rupture,
16:34
Speaker 3: then a tourna a teller tenant. I mean, it doesn't
16:36
Speaker 3: get any worse than that, and I would I would
16:39
Speaker 3: love to know if anyone charts this thing, is it ever?
16:41
Speaker 3: Has anyone ever had those injuries back to back and
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Speaker 3: come back the next year and been a great player.
16:45
Speaker 2: It's a great question. That's a great question.
16:48
Speaker 4: Possible, you would think.
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Speaker 5: But yeah, So if anybody started watching Eagles football right
16:53
Speaker 5: around six o seven, if that's where their finship dates,
16:58
Speaker 5: you remember when you know Jeremiah Trotter had moved on
17:02
Speaker 5: and the Eagles were.
17:03
Speaker 1: Experimenting with guys like Takeo Spikes, Bernie Simms right, and
17:08
Speaker 1: then after that didn't work out, then they tried to
17:10
Speaker 1: rely on on like Day three draft picks. So then
17:14
Speaker 1: that bred the Omar Gaither, Jamar cha Akeem Jordan Era
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Speaker 1: and then you know, as things and then it got
17:22
Speaker 1: it picked up a little bit when they won the
17:24
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. They have Michael Kendricks and then Nigel Bradham.
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Speaker 1: They actually went out and spent you know, Jim Schwartz,
17:30
Speaker 1: he brought some good linebacker play back to the Eagles,
17:32
Speaker 1: but he had to develop it well.
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Speaker 2: It wasn't just natural.
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Speaker 4: Uh.
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Speaker 1: And then they went through another lull where it got
17:39
Speaker 1: to like Nate Geary, right, or Nate Jerry, Nate Jerry,
17:43
Speaker 1: And one year they're starting off ball linebackers were Nate Gary.
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Speaker 2: And Duke Riley. Do you how many people do you
17:51
Speaker 2: think you even remember Duke?
17:53
Speaker 3: I do from Atlanta, because I remember talking to someone
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Speaker 3: who was on the Falcons personnel step trying to get
17:58
Speaker 3: information on him.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and Duke thought he's a little bit better than
18:01
Speaker 4: he was.
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Speaker 2: Yep.
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Speaker 3: Up till like a year or two ago he was
18:05
Speaker 3: still playing. He really got credit. He's made some money.
18:07
Speaker 2: He was a good special teamer.
18:08
Speaker 1: I think that's where he med. He just shouldn't have
18:10
Speaker 1: been a starting off ball linebacker.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he kind of a journeyman. But yeah, and.
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Speaker 3: I give how he credit because as much as we
18:18
Speaker 3: criticized him for ignoring the linebacker position, which look, I
18:22
Speaker 3: hate to crank on our friend Joe Banner on this,
18:25
Speaker 3: but Joe told us on our show that we teased him, like,
18:29
Speaker 3: what the hell was with you in linebackers?
18:30
Speaker 4: He goes, it was Darthrows.
18:31
Speaker 3: We know they put their cash and cap at certain positions,
18:36
Speaker 3: and then you know how he changed it up with
18:39
Speaker 3: Saquon Barkley. Certainly not what they had done before. Put
18:42
Speaker 3: money into the position running back. Hard to believe they
18:45
Speaker 3: put draft resources into Campbell. They drafted b a linebacker,
18:49
Speaker 3: not an edge rusher like he had he not had
18:51
Speaker 3: the injuries, and they had not developed their edge group.
18:55
Speaker 3: He might have seen some snaps at a true edge.
18:57
Speaker 4: But not gonna happen.
18:58
Speaker 3: No, So yeah, I you know, it shows that you're
19:02
Speaker 3: willing to change it up. I never thought i'd see
19:04
Speaker 3: that in the history of our show. I never thought
19:07
Speaker 3: they'd put resources into linebacker and bought and look.
19:11
Speaker 4: They didn't have any choice.
19:12
Speaker 3: He was elite They had to put money into him,
19:15
Speaker 3: seventeen million a year. They had to do it because
19:17
Speaker 3: he was elite after he got the the low and
19:19
Speaker 3: free agent deal to play edge. Well, once he got
19:23
Speaker 3: thrown into to inside backer and played the elite, he saw
19:28
Speaker 3: the light and.
19:29
Speaker 2: How he learned.
19:29
Speaker 4: So I give him credit.
19:31
Speaker 3: Look, he was the one who didn't invest in it
19:33
Speaker 3: and it cost him and he saw the light. Uh,
19:36
Speaker 3: he changed it up. He's talked about it publicly with
19:39
Speaker 3: the media, and I give him credit for that.
19:42
Speaker 4: You gotta be you gotta evolve man.
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Speaker 1: one and up. I thought I was going to be
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23:48
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23:50
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23:52
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Speaker 4: Out Steven Tullock, Stephen Talk, that's right, that's right, Oh
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Speaker 3: Tulluck was a Tulluck was really good player years with
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Speaker 4: And played for Schwartz.
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Speaker 3: So what happened was by the time the fans wanted him,
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Speaker 3: he was near the end, but Tullock was I remember
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Speaker 3: the media asked him, Hey, are you aware of how
24:22
Speaker 3: badly the fans wanted you? He was like a because
24:25
Speaker 3: if you really follow the game, like he became sort
24:27
Speaker 3: of like this legend without playing here, like you knew
24:30
Speaker 3: he was one of the best inside backers in football. Yeah,
24:33
Speaker 3: we're linebackers overall. But by the time he got here, so.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I it's why when how he turned his career around.
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Speaker 3: He did obviously in seventeen and eighteen, and then it
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Speaker 3: regressed and then twenty one he's like he's like in
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Speaker 3: a rare fight air like he's one of three best
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Speaker 3: gams in football, less need how he They've all won
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Speaker 3: a Super Bowl, and John Schneider and Sin finally got
24:57
Speaker 3: full personal control after Pete Carrol left. They're the best
25:00
Speaker 3: or elite. Yeah, and look doesn't mean they don't make mistakes.
25:03
Speaker 3: Off made mistakes.
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Speaker 4: You're not gonna get it perfect, and you have to
25:05
Speaker 4: learn from him.
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Speaker 3: And I never thought we'd see the day that they've
25:11
Speaker 3: invested in running back linebacker. I just it's Cuddy. It's
25:15
Speaker 3: hard to believe. If you would have asked me three
25:16
Speaker 3: or four years ago, I said, you're high. There's no
25:18
Speaker 3: way in how this is happening.
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Speaker 4: They've never got it.
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Speaker 2: It's amazing, it's unbelievable. I am.
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Speaker 1: I can finally say I've been cured, not scarred for life.
25:27
Speaker 2: We can get back to watching really not just competent.
25:30
Speaker 1: I mean, if you were to rank the tandems, the
25:32
Speaker 1: starting tandems, you got to put Bawn Campbell, assuming that
25:36
Speaker 1: you know Campbell's is at very least is as good
25:39
Speaker 1: as he was last year and doesn't take a step back.
25:41
Speaker 2: Hurt pretty good tandem.
25:43
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think about other tandems around the league.
25:46
Speaker 1: Some people have so light. You know, the Niners of
25:47
Speaker 1: Fred Warner and they've kind of had a rotating cast
25:50
Speaker 1: next to him. The kid from the Lions is pretty good, right,
25:53
Speaker 1: what's his name?
25:54
Speaker 4: Jack Campbell is a good player.
25:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was good player. And the other linebacker is
25:57
Speaker 2: pretty good too. His name is escaping me right now.
25:59
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
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Speaker 1: The Eagles gotta say that they're they're one of the
26:02
Speaker 1: top five teams at the inside linebacker or off ball linebacker.
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Speaker 4: No, they actually don't know that.
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Speaker 3: The Lions don't have that guy next to well, well,
26:10
Speaker 3: Derek Bournes is good, but he he remember him and
26:13
Speaker 3: ANGELOONI would switch.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's why they don't have him anymore, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
26:19
Speaker 2: he moved on.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, so, But the bottom line is, again because
26:24
Speaker 3: we haven't seen enough of Campbell, We just don't know
26:25
Speaker 3: enough about him yet because he's been hurt and you.
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Speaker 4: Got to see again he's new the position.
26:30
Speaker 3: But the potential with size and then and the other
26:34
Speaker 3: thing is they're they're getting younger, you know, they're that's
26:36
Speaker 3: another thing they're defense over how to get younger, and
26:38
Speaker 3: they're doing that so yeah, to move this along. To
26:40
Speaker 3: finish it off, this is actually a quad. This is
26:44
Speaker 3: actually a position of strength. Hard to believe, but true, absolutely,
26:48
Speaker 3: And that is where we'll end our look at the
26:50
Speaker 3: Eagles depth chart at off ball linebacker i LB. If
26:54
Speaker 3: you're a Vic Fangio acolyte.
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