Latest / Moser, Lombardi and Kane / 8-21-26 Hour 1 - Start em or sit em?/JML swings by, Lingering Peyton pain/Founder of Man Therapy Joe Conrad
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- 0:00Speaker 1: This is Motioner, Lombardy and Caine on demand. Listen live
- 0:05Speaker 1: every weekday morning from seven to ten on Altitude Sports
- 0:08Speaker 1: Radio ninety two by and on the Altitude Sports Radio app.
- 0:18Speaker 2: Okay, well you nailed it. I will go tell Kirk
- 0:20Speaker 2: that you did a great job. Thank you.
- 0:23Speaker 3: Please do it, please do and please tell mister mister
- 0:26Speaker 3: buckets allo, we love it.
- 0:27Speaker 2: There you go. What about mister Aikman, Oh, of course,
- 0:30Speaker 2: I mean he's he's a legend.
- 0:31Speaker 4: You know.
- 0:32Speaker 2: I think mister Buck needs some more low because I mean,
- 0:34Speaker 2: mister Aikman's already you know. Well said Fernanda, you nailed it.
- 0:37Speaker 2: Thank you, God bless back to you guys.
- 0:39Speaker 5: See there it is back to mister Buck.
- 0:41Speaker 2: That's that's the stuff. I mean. He is. He is
- 0:45Speaker 2: unique and uh.
- 0:47Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll take that. Well, we'll take the love from
- 0:50Speaker 5: Fernanda mendos In. And he says all the right things.
- 0:52Speaker 5: Sometimes it's it's very vanilla. Well, but boy does he
- 0:57Speaker 5: think he represents himself really really well.
- 0:59Speaker 2: What a refreshing personality he is.
- 1:03Speaker 4: All Right, we're out here at Meadow Hills for the
- 1:05Speaker 4: ABS alumni in our charity golf tournament, and I gotta
- 1:08Speaker 4: tell you at seven o'clock in the morning, there's.
- 1:09Speaker 2: Just one day, just one day. Hang on, There's two
- 1:12Speaker 2: things that I would say.
- 1:15Speaker 4: You can get my day off to a really bad
- 1:17Speaker 4: start if you play a Fernanda Mendoza audio clip for
- 1:21Speaker 4: me to start the show. And if I see a
- 1:23Speaker 4: shirtless Kyle Keef in front of me, it's your.
- 1:25Speaker 2: Shirt on you freak.
- 1:27Speaker 3: There's a public place and you gotta go to your
- 1:30Speaker 3: bedroom two minutes for being bad.
- 1:34Speaker 2: Look look at me. I'm the muscle beach. I'm out here.
- 1:38Speaker 2: Do them up. I gotta get my reps in batch
- 1:40Speaker 2: of shirtless hippies at this place. Good God. So that's
- 1:44Speaker 2: how we started this morning. Now, can I tell you something.
- 1:48Speaker 4: I watched the entire first half of that Raiders preseason
- 1:50Speaker 4: game because I wanted to watch Mendoza and Mendoza in
- 1:55Speaker 4: both games that I have watched from him in the preseason.
- 1:57Speaker 2: Because this is important.
- 1:58Speaker 4: This is a guy that you you potentially could be
- 2:00Speaker 4: facing for the next ten to fifteen years.
- 2:01Speaker 6: By the way, I would like for you from now
- 2:03Speaker 6: on to refer to me as mister Lombardi. He refers
- 2:07Speaker 6: to his elders by mister. So from now on, it's
- 2:09Speaker 6: not vic.
- 2:11Speaker 2: What's like a jerk face from here on.
- 2:13Speaker 3: No, you're gonna do the respectful thing. I've got, respectful
- 2:16Speaker 3: young man, I've got something. I mean, I got something
- 2:19Speaker 3: involved with There's plenty of other things I can call you,
- 2:21Speaker 3: but but yeah, it doesn't have face on the end
- 2:23Speaker 3: of it.
- 2:23Speaker 2: JML shows up with his boys small shirt again. But
- 2:27Speaker 2: but he has a shirt on. Yeah that's true. Yeah,
- 2:29Speaker 2: at least he has a shirt on for crying up.
- 2:31Speaker 4: So I watched him Mendoza's first half and I'll tell
- 2:34Speaker 4: you this, and both this game and the first preseason
- 2:37Speaker 4: preseason game that he played, he makes some throws and
- 2:40Speaker 4: you're like, bro, like he wouldn't re of.
- 2:44Speaker 3: Course, why are people like It's funny we talk about
- 2:47Speaker 3: a person's personality and then we're impressed with their ability.
- 2:52Speaker 3: You wouldn't be drafted number one overall, you wouldn't win
- 2:55Speaker 3: a national championship. You wouldn't go where he went without
- 2:58Speaker 3: having that talent.
- 2:59Speaker 2: Well, here's here's the separation I guess I'm getting at.
- 3:01Speaker 4: Is I always say this about rookie quarterbacks or guys
- 3:03Speaker 4: who are playing early in their careers. Yeah, the minimum
- 3:06Speaker 4: you have to do is show me some flashes of
- 3:07Speaker 4: brilliance in a game. Because you're young, you're gonna make mistakes.
- 3:10Speaker 4: He threw a pick six in that game, was behind
- 3:11Speaker 4: the wide receiver. They took him back to the house.
- 3:13Speaker 4: That's gonna happen. But as long as you can show
- 3:15Speaker 4: the flashes of well those throws are there, this guy's.
- 3:18Speaker 2: Gonna be good. He has that already. Yes what I'm saying.
- 3:22Speaker 4: And it's a matter of you know, if I set
- 3:24Speaker 4: the over under at the first game the Broncos play
- 3:28Speaker 4: the Raiders, do you think he's gonna be starting by then,
- 3:31Speaker 4: My guess would be, yeah, I think we probably is.
- 3:34Speaker 4: I think it's eleven. You know, I seem to disagree
- 3:38Speaker 4: with you.
- 3:38Speaker 6: I think this might be one of those years, much
- 3:41Speaker 6: like Patrick Malmes went through with Alex Smith, where you
- 3:44Speaker 6: just watch and you sort of haad him on the
- 3:48Speaker 6: back and say, I know you want to play.
- 3:49Speaker 2: I know you want to come off this leash and
- 3:51Speaker 2: November twenty second, by the way, you.
- 3:52Speaker 6: Know, but we've got Kirk Cousins. He's gonna mentor you.
- 3:56Speaker 6: We're gonna go through some turmoil this year. Just sit
- 3:59Speaker 6: back and enjoy the ride, and then next year it's
- 4:01Speaker 6: all yours two counterpoints.
- 4:04Speaker 4: The Falcons did that last year with Michael Penox YEP,
- 4:07Speaker 4: and Panics played correct. And I've asked you guys this already.
- 4:11Speaker 4: Let's see if you guys remember, let's let's see information retention.
- 4:14Speaker 4: If you guys have this, the last number one overall
- 4:17Speaker 4: draft pick at quarterback to not play his rookie year.
- 4:19Speaker 3: Yeah, it was we. We already did this. Yeah, I
- 4:21Speaker 3: know it was a hold on a second. Yeah, who
- 4:23Speaker 3: was it was twenty who was it? It was twenty
- 4:25Speaker 3: years ago? It was hold on you told me this
- 4:28Speaker 3: and it was a nondescript player. No, no, it's a player.
- 4:33Speaker 3: It was a player.
- 4:35Speaker 2: Is a player? I don't remember. Carson Palmer.
- 4:38Speaker 3: Carson Palmer the Cincinnati Bengals. I was a player, Carson
- 4:41Speaker 3: Palmer's player. I think originally you said yeah for the
- 4:43Speaker 3: Cardinals and that no you said for the Cardinals.
- 4:45Speaker 2: I mean I said no for the Bengals, and yeah,
- 4:47Speaker 2: there you go. Who at that time was the Bengals
- 4:49Speaker 2: quarterback John Kittna. Okay, so he.
- 4:52Speaker 3: Displays John Kittner had it. He had one of those haircuts,
- 4:54Speaker 3: like the marine face, remember his face all? Yeah, he
- 4:56Speaker 3: had a fat face. Yeah, he like he has Scott
- 4:59Speaker 3: Zolac face the helmet.
- 5:01Speaker 4: You know what, John Kitten is one of my favorite
- 5:03Speaker 4: guys to look at his stats because he was a
- 5:05Speaker 4: guy who started for a long time and the league
- 5:06Speaker 4: people liked John kittna not that he was great, but
- 5:08Speaker 4: he was Okay. He represented the era before the era.
- 5:13Speaker 4: And here's what I mean from a straight numbers perspective
- 5:17Speaker 4: at quarterback. Your quarterback now has to have like twenty
- 5:20Speaker 4: nine touchdowns and ten picks to be good. Right, Here's
- 5:23Speaker 4: John Kitten's numbers in his career from the early two thousands.
- 5:28Speaker 4: John Kitten's touchdown to interception ratio eighteen to nineteen, twelve
- 5:32Speaker 4: to twenty two, sixteen to sixteen, twenty one to twenty two,
- 5:37Speaker 4: eighteen to twenty.
- 5:38Speaker 2: Well, okay, what was different about that era and then today?
- 5:41Speaker 2: What was? What? What are too funny?
- 5:43Speaker 3: You could kill the quarterback, You could kill one receivers.
- 5:46Speaker 3: You could you could and that absolutely slay them. I
- 5:49Speaker 3: mean you could literally walk out there with the taser
- 5:51Speaker 3: and start tasing people.
- 5:53Speaker 2: Yeah, I think different.
- 5:54Speaker 3: I think one defensive end one time, Brett I did
- 5:56Speaker 3: see a cattle produ I remember his career, his career,
- 5:59Speaker 3: by the way, just to let you guys know, one
- 6:01Speaker 3: hundred and sixty nine touchdowns, one hundred and sixty five picks.
- 6:04Speaker 2: That's amazing. You bring up a great point.
- 6:06Speaker 6: And it's why when people always make these comps and
- 6:09Speaker 6: I always reference Lway, and people say, well, look at
- 6:11Speaker 6: always numbers. Always numbers are nothing great.
- 6:13Speaker 2: That's not fair.
- 6:14Speaker 3: He played in a different era where you literally can
- 6:18Speaker 3: decapitated quarterback and not get flagged.
- 6:20Speaker 2: That's true.
- 6:21Speaker 3: It was a different time. You could take a defensive
- 6:24Speaker 3: back and throw them.
- 6:25Speaker 6: I mean a receiver can be thrown all over the
- 6:28Speaker 6: field with no penalty. Well not only that, but you
- 6:30Speaker 6: could target and blow guys exactly right. Today's game is different.
- 6:35Speaker 6: In my humble opinion, stats should be viewed differently. A
- 6:38Speaker 6: quarterback should have better stats today. He should have better
- 6:42Speaker 6: numbers today. You should have fewer sacks today. A receiver
- 6:46Speaker 6: should have more catches today.
- 6:48Speaker 3: If you don't, that's a you problem because the rules
- 6:51Speaker 3: are moved to help you, and they've been moved that
- 6:53Speaker 3: way for years.
- 6:55Speaker 2: I mean, look at Johnny Yanidis's numbers. He was a bum.
- 6:58Speaker 3: Jesus God, you know something you throw Let me tell you, sister, actually,
- 7:02Speaker 3: how impressive this is.
- 7:03Speaker 2: He's throwing up thirty two touchdown seasons in nineteen fifty nine.
- 7:07Speaker 3: I think they just invented the forward. Yeah, pretty much.
- 7:09Speaker 3: Point Hey, listen, Brett, you take any of these modern
- 7:12Speaker 3: pretty boy quarterbacks and ohs, a fancy pretty boy GQ
- 7:17Speaker 3: cover quarterbacks. Are you throwing back in the fifties and sixties? No,
- 7:20Speaker 3: and they're going to get their heads ripped off.
- 7:22Speaker 2: I'll take it a step further.
- 7:24Speaker 6: You know, Tom Brady was notorious for handling the pocket,
- 7:27Speaker 6: and he had great pocket presence. I want him to
- 7:30Speaker 6: play in the eighties in the nineties, when a guy
- 7:33Speaker 6: could take your face off.
- 7:34Speaker 3: Yeah, and nobody would remember how many times we would.
- 7:37Speaker 2: Say, oh, my Brady's getting another call. Yeah, oh they
- 7:40Speaker 2: touched Brady.
- 7:41Speaker 3: In the eighties and nineties, you could do whatever you want,
- 7:44Speaker 3: whatever you want to, yeah, hey, step on his head.
- 7:46Speaker 3: I mean, so these guys they break down. You could
- 7:48Speaker 3: target receivers, get the top receiver out of the game.
- 7:51Speaker 3: You could do all kinds of things. But obviously the
- 7:53Speaker 3: league has evolved a great deal since that time, and
- 7:57Speaker 3: so now it's basically offense front.
- 8:00Speaker 6: It doesn't change the fact that John Kittna could fill
- 8:03Speaker 6: a football helmet with his.
- 8:05Speaker 2: Face, man, he could.
- 8:06Speaker 4: Seriously, now they pull up a it's almost like they
- 8:09Speaker 4: could not make a helmet big enough for his face.
- 8:12Speaker 4: It's almost like at a beginner's class, pottery class, you
- 8:16Speaker 4: tried to make a face out of clay, and it's
- 8:20Speaker 4: just no, no, It's like if you tried to make a
- 8:22Speaker 4: face out of like there's just there's so I can't
- 8:25Speaker 4: define the jaw.
- 8:26Speaker 2: There's no jaw.
- 8:27Speaker 6: That's actually a good picture of him. I didn't know
- 8:29Speaker 6: he played for the Cowboys. At what point did he
- 8:31Speaker 6: play for the Cowboys? I remember him with the Seahawks
- 8:33Speaker 6: who had.
- 8:33Speaker 3: A fat or face and now only if you could
- 8:35Speaker 3: do him side by side. Scott Zolac, who's Brett's buddy? Huh,
- 8:39Speaker 3: isn't it your buddy?
- 8:40Speaker 2: Zolac? I have no idea this Scott Zola on the
- 8:43Speaker 2: Patriots podcast? Yes, yeah?
- 8:45Speaker 3: Or John Kittinger, which guy filled up a face mask?
- 8:48Speaker 3: More that the cubic centimeters is what I'm looking at?
- 8:51Speaker 2: What is the point him on this?
- 8:54Speaker 6: So you're talking about quarterbacks and you're talking about is
- 8:56Speaker 6: this all Mendoza?
- 8:58Speaker 4: Well I just said that, Yeah, Mendoza you said that
- 9:01Speaker 4: he's not gonna start this year ago. The last time
- 9:04Speaker 4: that first overall pick didn't start was Carson Palmer.
- 9:06Speaker 2: Also, I sent something to Nelly Kevin Shock.
- 9:08Speaker 6: He's wearing his media credentials at a charity.
- 9:18Speaker 2: It's walking around. Look look at by the way. This
- 9:22Speaker 2: is what Nelly found. I mean, that's that fills a
- 9:24Speaker 2: helmet right there. That. Oh and look at Zolax does too.
- 9:27Speaker 2: Yeah that really does? Uh Shock. He's like, yeah, I'm Kevin.
- 9:32Speaker 2: I need to I need to put to the bathroom.
- 9:34Speaker 2: Is that cool? Him? I like to please? I got
- 9:40Speaker 2: my credential. I gotta think with.
- 9:46Speaker 3: You.
- 9:47Speaker 2: Get a beer? Please? I got my credential. Should we
- 9:49Speaker 2: just start doing that? Should I wear my credentials? Just super? Hi?
- 9:54Speaker 2: I'm looking for hold my badge up, I'm looking for
- 9:57Speaker 2: the asparagus. Where's the asparagus? You can tell him a fish?
- 10:01Speaker 2: I'm dead.
- 10:01Speaker 3: Seriously, we're gonna we're gonna nail him. Do any of
- 10:04Speaker 3: you have your credentials today?
- 10:05Speaker 2: I my car, I have mine. I don't have mine.
- 10:09Speaker 2: I got my broncos one of the car.
- 10:10Speaker 7: See that young lady's serving the alcohol over there. Yeah,
- 10:13Speaker 7: we're gonna conduct an experiment. We gonna go up with
- 10:16Speaker 7: the credentials, say hi, We're gonna show the credential. I'm
- 10:19Speaker 7: like this, this and this, and just see the reaction.
- 10:21Speaker 2: Pretty sure it's free anyway it is? Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
- 10:25Speaker 2: Give them somewhere where you pay for stuff. I want
- 10:27Speaker 2: to see if it works. I want to.
- 10:29Speaker 4: See if I always think it's funnier if we use it
- 10:32Speaker 4: when something's already free.
- 10:34Speaker 2: Okay. It's like it's like if.
- 10:36Speaker 4: I went to a gas station, I had my media
- 10:37Speaker 4: credential on and it's to take a penny, give a
- 10:39Speaker 4: penny jar and I go.
- 10:40Speaker 2: Hi, Uh, here's my badge. Can I take you have?
- 10:42Speaker 2: You have to like shake it in front of it,
- 10:45Speaker 2: make balance? Can you shoot this video? We're gonna do
- 10:47Speaker 2: it in the next segment. That means you got to
- 10:52Speaker 2: drink booze at seven fifteen in the morning. That's fine,
- 10:54Speaker 2: I don't care.
- 10:56Speaker 4: So here's the other thing, you know, uh, what's going on?
- 11:00Speaker 4: There's two things for sure. Number One that Mahomes and
- 11:06Speaker 4: Justin Herbert are going to be locked into this division
- 11:09Speaker 4: for years to come. Mahomes is the oldest quarterback in
- 11:12Speaker 4: this division. He's thirty years old.
- 11:14Speaker 2: Right, that hard to believe. He's already the elder statesman. Yeah, gosh,
- 11:18Speaker 2: Herbert's gonna stick around for a while.
- 11:20Speaker 4: I think that unless disaster happens, Bownix is getting that
- 11:24Speaker 4: contract too. And I mean, what, what do you foresee
- 11:29Speaker 4: happening in which bow Knicks doesn't get a contract extension.
- 11:32Speaker 3: Unless he has a really broken down year? I mean,
- 11:34Speaker 3: not injury, well, maybe injuries, but yeah, not even that.
- 11:37Speaker 3: I just think if he somehow loses, if he loses
- 11:40Speaker 3: a couple miles on Alan, a couple miles an hour
- 11:43Speaker 3: off his fastball, throws a bunch of picks.
- 11:45Speaker 2: I don't, I don't, I don't know. This is his guy,
- 11:48Speaker 2: This is Sean Payton's guy. So I don't envision that. Well.
- 11:50Speaker 6: I mean, the first thing that could derail is if
- 11:54Speaker 6: he has chronic ankle injuries and nobody wants that.
- 11:56Speaker 2: Nobody wants to see that.
- 11:57Speaker 6: But yeah, if it continues at that rate, then you
- 12:00Speaker 6: know that that could really turn left in a hurry. Yeah,
- 12:02Speaker 6: so you don't want that, obviously, for him and for
- 12:05Speaker 6: the Broncos. But we've heard the stories and he's always said, no,
- 12:10Speaker 6: I'm fine, Let's see if you can survive a season.
- 12:13Speaker 6: What if that happens again? What if it happens again?
- 12:17Speaker 6: What if he's running around and.
- 12:19Speaker 3: The leg just break the exactly and that that scares
- 12:23Speaker 3: the hell out of me.
- 12:24Speaker 2: I don't know about you, guys, scares the hell out
- 12:26Speaker 2: of me.
- 12:26Speaker 4: I want to, like, what what would you do at
- 12:29Speaker 4: that point? Like knock on wood? But if that scenario
- 12:32Speaker 4: were to play out this season where it happens again,
- 12:35Speaker 4: you probably just what pick up the fifth year option
- 12:37Speaker 4: and kick the can down the road for another time?
- 12:39Speaker 6: Probably, So yeah, yeah, I mean, that'd be this smart
- 12:42Speaker 6: thing to do.
- 12:42Speaker 2: That'd be this smart thing to do.
- 12:43Speaker 3: And to be honest with you, we're talking a lot
- 12:46Speaker 3: about contracts today because I know that the Peyton Watson
- 12:48Speaker 3: thing is still top of mind for a lot of folks.
- 12:50Speaker 6: And and why how did we get here? Why are
- 12:53Speaker 6: we here?
- 12:54Speaker 3: And you just said something that I think will bring
- 12:57Speaker 3: us back to square one, picking up contract options.
- 13:01Speaker 2: Before you really have to, before you really have to.
- 13:04Speaker 6: Sure, And I think if there's one misstep the Nuggets
- 13:07Speaker 6: have made over the last five years is that it's
- 13:12Speaker 6: signing deals before you really had to. And I understand
- 13:15Speaker 6: why you do it. You would do it to get
- 13:18Speaker 6: ahead of it. You would do it to get ahead
- 13:20Speaker 6: of a price increase. You would do it to keep
- 13:23Speaker 6: somebody off the open market. But sometimes patience is the
- 13:28Speaker 6: virtue you need when it comes to time limited.
- 13:32Speaker 2: So let's get to that in just a second. Vic,
- 13:35Speaker 2: what Brett real quick?
- 13:36Speaker 3: I think there's a fine line in there somewhere. I
- 13:40Speaker 3: think there's a fine line between golly, you know you're
- 13:44Speaker 3: giving a guy all this money too early, or you
- 13:48Speaker 3: know what you're now you're behind the curve and you're
- 13:50Speaker 3: gonna have to overpay. There's a there's a there's a
- 13:52Speaker 3: honey spot in there somewhere.
- 13:54Speaker 2: Well, how about this. We'll get to the watch and
- 13:57Speaker 2: stuff in just a second.
- 13:59Speaker 4: Because I heard that most and you want to yell
- 14:01Speaker 4: at me again, that's fine, So we'll do that in
- 14:02Speaker 4: a couple of minutes. I do want to give people
- 14:05Speaker 4: a little preview, So last week we gave away a
- 14:09Speaker 4: pair of tickets to the APPS home opener. Right yesterday,
- 14:11Speaker 4: we gave away four packs to home games that the
- 14:16Speaker 4: listeners wanted to most go to. And each hour, the
- 14:20Speaker 4: first hour that they came up on the respective shows
- 14:22Speaker 4: in the station, everybody called in within like thirty seconds
- 14:25Speaker 4: and claim their ticket. They were all over it. We
- 14:28Speaker 4: have one more you're kidding. And here's what I'm gonna
- 14:32Speaker 4: tell you. It starts with this. You know who the
- 14:36Speaker 4: Broncos play in the season opener, Yes, it's the Chiefs, right, correct?
- 14:40Speaker 4: At Arrowhead, you have a chance to row shambeau your
- 14:45Speaker 4: way to that game to Arrowhead.
- 14:47Speaker 3: Oh that's cool. See listens bright Wait wait, wait, wait,
- 14:50Speaker 3: what can row shamba your way to that? We're sending
- 14:54Speaker 3: people the Arrowhead That okay, But here's the catch, right,
- 14:57Speaker 3: they got to ride a doggy. You stick the donkey
- 15:01Speaker 3: on seventy and you slap in the ass and say
- 15:03Speaker 3: go east, right, because because if we're sending people to Arrowhead,
- 15:08Speaker 3: that's too good.
- 15:09Speaker 2: In correct, you get airfare and a hotel and tickets
- 15:12Speaker 2: to the game.
- 15:13Speaker 3: No, I'm going full, I'm going mule trained. So those
- 15:16Speaker 3: are the details I give you for now.
- 15:18Speaker 6: Let me say, as a Broncos fan, all right, some
- 15:21Speaker 6: of the coolest venues to go to back in the
- 15:24Speaker 6: day when the Raiders played in Oakland, Yeah, that was
- 15:27Speaker 6: a cool venue.
- 15:29Speaker 2: Was crazy.
- 15:30Speaker 3: But Arrowhead is pretty badass, yep, it really is so,
- 15:34Speaker 3: especially especially not in December when it's freezing rain that hurts.
- 15:40Speaker 4: So we'll give you details on that in the coming days.
- 15:44Speaker 4: I can't help, but look, Vic's got a size one
- 15:47Speaker 4: hundred font on his phone and he's got a text
- 15:50Speaker 4: message open, and I can't believe what I'm looking at.
- 15:53Speaker 4: Vic has a text that starts with oh my gosh,
- 15:57Speaker 4: oh m, I g O s H Are you twelve?
- 16:01Speaker 4: Are you a twelve year old girl?
- 16:03Speaker 2: Well, I'll let you read.
- 16:05Speaker 6: I'll let you read the text, and maybe this will
- 16:07Speaker 6: give you a little bit more of a perspective.
- 16:09Speaker 2: As to why I use that language.
- 16:11Speaker 6: Uh, you change your language when you're texting certain people.
- 16:15Speaker 6: Was it your daughter, No, it's not my daughter. Is
- 16:16Speaker 6: your wife, No, it's not my wife. Is it your buddy,
- 16:19Speaker 6: it's not my buddy. I'm not gonna tell you, but
- 16:23Speaker 6: he'll he'll have a better understand exactly, so you have
- 16:26Speaker 6: a better and.
- 16:27Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, exactly, Oh my gosh. So is that
- 16:29Speaker 2: a good word to you? That's a good word to you.
- 16:31Speaker 2: Thank you. It's a good word.
- 16:33Speaker 4: Three oh three, five, four nine two five back after
- 16:36Speaker 4: this all right, back out here at Meadow Hills for
- 16:38Speaker 4: the ABS Alumni Charity Golf Tournament.
- 16:41Speaker 2: As we do every year.
- 16:43Speaker 6: Boser's playing in this thing. You and I are just
- 16:47Speaker 6: here to work. So I'm gonna bug out, Johnny.
- 16:50Speaker 3: You need me, right, I need you, Okay, he desperately
- 16:55Speaker 3: needs Welly kim baumbit further.
- 16:58Speaker 6: So, Well, here's what's happening, john He's going with the
- 17:00Speaker 6: worst golfer of the three of us, because he knows
- 17:03Speaker 6: that he chose one of us.
- 17:04Speaker 4: Because when you're doing a charity golf tournament, you need
- 17:06Speaker 4: a charity case go exactly.
- 17:08Speaker 6: He's going with it of the three of us. And
- 17:10Speaker 6: we've proven this over time. We've proved this is the
- 17:13Speaker 6: fact he's going with the worst golfer. Yeah, and that's fine,
- 17:15Speaker 6: let's do this. But I will say this. I don't
- 17:19Speaker 6: believe you're the worst golfer.
- 17:20Speaker 2: I will not.
- 17:20Speaker 3: Well, we've gone through it already, Johnny, We've played enough times.
- 17:26Speaker 2: I will say this.
- 17:27Speaker 3: So today is the AVS Alumni Charity Golf Tournament out
- 17:30Speaker 3: here at Meadow Hills, beautiful track.
- 17:32Speaker 2: I've never been here before.
- 17:36Speaker 3: This course is one where everybody who plays it, nobody
- 17:39Speaker 3: walks away going. Damn, everybody walks away going. That's a
- 17:42Speaker 3: that's a fine, that's a fine old track. Well, and
- 17:46Speaker 3: let's be honest, Kiefer is too cheap to join a club.
- 17:50Speaker 2: But this is kind of his unofficial Does he play
- 17:54Speaker 2: here a lot? Yes? Does he really?
- 17:55Speaker 3: It's a nice trees everywhere, trees everywhere, old school, Yep,
- 18:00Speaker 3: it's a beautiful course. You're sort of like lost in
- 18:02Speaker 3: the courser. You don't even know where you are exactly.
- 18:04Speaker 3: So today the tournament goes on, and the president of
- 18:08Speaker 3: the EVS alumni group and every year they try to
- 18:10Speaker 3: switch presidents, and Johnny's like, nope, I'm the guy, the
- 18:14Speaker 3: exact opposite.
- 18:15Speaker 2: He's the only one job.
- 18:17Speaker 8: Whenever there's an election, I say, hey, I think my like,
- 18:21Speaker 8: I actually am thinking about putting in term limits for
- 18:24Speaker 8: myself because every year I'm like, guys, I think it's time,
- 18:28Speaker 8: and they're like, no, no, you're doing.
- 18:30Speaker 6: A great job. Nobody wants to do that work. But
- 18:32Speaker 6: nobody wants Yeah, what work is entailed in being the president.
- 18:36Speaker 2: It's really just a lot of model. I'm a model. Yeah,
- 18:40Speaker 2: Well it's just I literally I have.
- 18:41Speaker 4: To text everybody, Okay, we'll all file emotional emotion for
- 18:45Speaker 4: impeachment if we need to do it.
- 18:46Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I'm a figurehead. That's what that's that's
- 18:50Speaker 3: what it is. All right, here's the deal. Good luck today.
- 18:53Speaker 3: Who are some of the names that are going to
- 18:54Speaker 3: come across today? Who are we going to?
- 18:56Speaker 8: Peter Forsburg, Peter last night, flew in last night out
- 19:00Speaker 8: of Newark, got in a little later than expect.
- 19:02Speaker 2: Are you gonna give us Peter for a segment or
- 19:04Speaker 2: two before we t's off? Yeah?
- 19:06Speaker 3: If Pete shows up on time, which rarely ever does.
- 19:09Speaker 3: All right, But we got Forstburg, We got Haydo, Tyson,
- 19:12Speaker 3: Barry came in. Cody McLeod beautiful. Yeah, Cody, you hear
- 19:16Speaker 3: Cody from a I did a thing with Cody and
- 19:19Speaker 3: Bear Creek years ago when we dressed up in like
- 19:21Speaker 3: Scottish gear and played golf.
- 19:23Speaker 2: That sounds Cody's It's awesome.
- 19:25Speaker 3: He's a good Him and Riker are playing together, so
- 19:27Speaker 3: that'll be a fun.
- 19:28Speaker 2: Oh my god, that group. Listen.
- 19:30Speaker 6: We asked of one thing. Brett and I are taking
- 19:33Speaker 6: one for the team. We're actually doing our jobs to
- 19:36Speaker 6: play golf. All I asked those shirts. I want one
- 19:39Speaker 6: of those shirts. If not today, we will get you.
- 19:41Speaker 6: We'll get you a shirt today.
- 19:43Speaker 3: That is look at people. What I like, it's a massimo. Well,
- 19:50Speaker 3: and you know what, Matthew, Matthew, the big concern that
- 19:53Speaker 3: Riker raised his man boobs.
- 19:56Speaker 2: Well with him, it's it's hard to hide him. But
- 19:59Speaker 2: this year the shirt they addressed it. I feel like
- 20:02Speaker 2: this is a non man.
- 20:03Speaker 8: Okay, we'll protect Biker is the one that's he's very
- 20:09Speaker 8: concerned about it. He raised the concern multiple times since
- 20:13Speaker 8: well he was shirtless for.
- 20:14Speaker 2: Fifteen minutes out here. Could be that ashamed of it.
- 20:17Speaker 2: We'll have phone mode. He hits it long. Yeah, I
- 20:19Speaker 2: know it goes, but it goes in a lot of
- 20:22Speaker 2: different places. Yeah. Well if it goes down the middle,
- 20:25Speaker 2: we're in business.
- 20:26Speaker 4: Yeah, let's go all right, guys, you appreciate John Michael Isles.
- 20:32Speaker 2: Again.
- 20:32Speaker 4: We'll hear from Johnny a lot throughout the course of
- 20:35Speaker 4: the year. Now, I do want to get to to
- 20:37Speaker 4: Peyton Motts and stuff. And you guys wanted to yell
- 20:38Speaker 4: at me. What is your objection that you had with
- 20:40Speaker 4: me talking about Peyton Motts this morning?
- 20:44Speaker 2: Well, I think it was Moser who raised you.
- 20:46Speaker 3: Well, you know what, bre you ever been to your
- 20:49Speaker 3: house and your furnace is making a noise.
- 20:52Speaker 2: Something like that.
- 20:53Speaker 3: You're like, dang, sure, and then you think you fix it,
- 20:55Speaker 3: and then the next morning you wake up and it's going, Yeah,
- 20:58Speaker 3: that's when I was listening to you on the way here.
- 21:01Speaker 2: That's what it sounded like.
- 21:03Speaker 3: It sounded like you were the same squeaky wheel, gear
- 21:06Speaker 3: grinding whatever you want to call it, that you were yesterday.
- 21:10Speaker 3: I mean, you're I don't know how long it's going
- 21:12Speaker 3: to take you to get over this, but it feels
- 21:15Speaker 3: like it's going to be a little bit a little wild.
- 21:17Speaker 2: You know what it reminds me of.
- 21:20Speaker 6: You have a dentist's appointment planned, you have a root
- 21:23Speaker 6: canal plan, and you've known it for four months, right,
- 21:27Speaker 6: And for four months I've told you guys that this
- 21:30Speaker 6: is happening.
- 21:30Speaker 2: Beautiful stuff there, Uh, beautiful stuff. I want one of
- 21:33Speaker 2: those shirts.
- 21:34Speaker 3: You've known for four months that you're going to go
- 21:36Speaker 3: through this procedure, and yet the day you go through.
- 21:39Speaker 2: It, you're like, oh, I can't believe it. But you've
- 21:42Speaker 2: known this was coming.
- 21:43Speaker 3: You know the pain that's coming with it, you know
- 21:46Speaker 3: the the effects that it's going to have. You know
- 21:49Speaker 3: exactly why you're doing it. You know you can't avoid it.
- 21:52Speaker 3: Why are you crying about it now? You should have
- 21:55Speaker 3: cried about it four months ago when you had the appointment,
- 21:57Speaker 3: said four months ago this was going to happen.
- 21:59Speaker 4: Well, on a second, Hang on a second, Here's what
- 22:02Speaker 4: in my head would happened. I had a dentist appointment.
- 22:07Speaker 4: They said there's a chance you could get a root canal.
- 22:09Speaker 4: There's a chance, or we have to do some other
- 22:12Speaker 4: thing that's also painful and not fun. But I just
- 22:16Speaker 4: didn't want to get the root canal or yak or
- 22:20Speaker 4: whatever whatever. And all I'm saying is I was hoping
- 22:23Speaker 4: there was another option of person to let go.
- 22:27Speaker 2: That was it. And here's here's the reason. Why can
- 22:28Speaker 2: I just explain for a second.
- 22:30Speaker 4: Sure is that at a minimum, I don't know what
- 22:33Speaker 4: Peyton Watson's going to be.
- 22:34Speaker 2: Don't know. At a minimum, though, Peyton Watson will be
- 22:38Speaker 2: a fine, good NBA player. He'll average Is this reasonable
- 22:43Speaker 2: that he'll average in the teams as a starter points
- 22:45Speaker 2: per game somewhere in the teens. At a minimum, he
- 22:49Speaker 2: will be a very good defender in this league. And
- 22:52Speaker 2: he's twenty three years old. That sounds like things that
- 22:54Speaker 2: I wish the Nuggets had. Well, I mean, I think
- 22:58Speaker 2: that's the best part of it. Even if he's if his.
- 23:00Speaker 4: One month of basketball where he scored twenty points a
- 23:03Speaker 4: night was a mirage, he's at minimum a really good defender.
- 23:06Speaker 6: That's that's that wasn't a mirage by the way, that
- 23:08Speaker 6: was him scoring that The difference is he was allowed
- 23:11Speaker 6: to shoot that often because nobody else was playing at
- 23:14Speaker 6: that point. Now, when you're a part of the wheel,
- 23:17Speaker 6: where do you fall in that wheel?
- 23:19Speaker 2: How many shots will you get off? True? That's where
- 23:22Speaker 2: numbers change.
- 23:23Speaker 3: The other side of the coin, Well, James Harden, James Hard,
- 23:25Speaker 3: James Harden's gonna.
- 23:26Speaker 2: Be throwing it up.
- 23:27Speaker 3: Let's take a look at the Cleveland lineup that his
- 23:29Speaker 3: career Mitchell mob I.
- 23:31Speaker 2: Mean, where do you think he falls on that wheel?
- 23:33Speaker 4: But let me just say there's two sides of that coin,
- 23:38Speaker 4: and I was one that was pounding the drama. It's
- 23:41Speaker 4: a month of basketball. You can't base everything off a month.
- 23:44Speaker 4: There is this argument it's the only month of his
- 23:49Speaker 4: career since high school where he's been in a position
- 23:51Speaker 4: to be a guy who's the lead scorer on a team.
- 23:54Speaker 4: But again, he and when he got that opportunity, he
- 23:57Speaker 4: looked every bit like somebody was ready for Well, then
- 23:59Speaker 4: he'd ask for a trade out of Cleveland because he's
- 24:01Speaker 4: gonna be surrounded by ballhogs.
- 24:04Speaker 6: Okay, Joe has a great text here, and we talked
- 24:08Speaker 6: about paying players and how the Nuggets got themselves in
- 24:11Speaker 6: this situation. And the way I describe it is, you've
- 24:15Speaker 6: had this credit card, and man, the interest rates are
- 24:18Speaker 6: going up, and you've you've financed a lot of stuff,
- 24:21Speaker 6: and it's time to pay pay in the minimum and
- 24:23Speaker 6: and and you've paid this credit The reason you've charged
- 24:26Speaker 6: so much to this card is because you've been in
- 24:28Speaker 6: that window and you want to make as many runs
- 24:30Speaker 6: as you should.
- 24:31Speaker 2: A year ago, we looked at this Nuggets roster and said,
- 24:34Speaker 2: charge it up here, take my card whatever you need. Right.
- 24:37Speaker 2: Did we not do that? Okay?
- 24:38Speaker 6: So now it's time to pay for it. And this
- 24:40Speaker 6: is where you are. So people want to blame everybody.
- 24:43Speaker 2: I got into it.
- 24:44Speaker 3: This guy about blaming. He was blaming ownership and and
- 24:47Speaker 3: you could blame it. Listen, everybody has a part in this.
- 24:50Speaker 3: But you tell me, have they paid the freight to
- 24:53Speaker 3: put together a team?
- 24:54Speaker 2: Yeah? The years? Have they won a championship? Yes?
- 24:57Speaker 3: Have they competed, gave they put a competitive absolutely okay,
- 25:01Speaker 3: So at what point you say there's more to it
- 25:04Speaker 3: than that. There's twists and turns along the way. There's
- 25:07Speaker 3: bad fortune. Last year there was bad fortune with injuries.
- 25:10Speaker 3: The team didn't gel the way they had hoped. In
- 25:13Speaker 3: the playoffs, they fell flat on their face. It didn't work. Yeah,
- 25:16Speaker 3: it didn't work. Hey, sometimes things don't work.
- 25:20Speaker 2: That's true. Hey, Brett, what about this thought?
- 25:22Speaker 3: I heard you on the way in again talking about
- 25:26Speaker 3: Nicola Jokics quote coming off the floor at the Phoebus.
- 25:29Speaker 2: Right, yep. If the big.
- 25:32Speaker 3: Fella at the end says, you know, look happy for him,
- 25:35Speaker 3: blah blah blah, will be okay. If the big fella
- 25:37Speaker 3: thinks they're gonna be okay, then I'm gonna go along
- 25:40Speaker 3: with the big fella and think they're gonna be okay.
- 25:42Speaker 3: Now that maybe lip server is fine, but that's not
- 25:44Speaker 3: a cul he said. He walked off the floor. He
- 25:46Speaker 3: was asked Nicola Peyton Watson got traded. What is your
- 25:49Speaker 3: reaction and expectations for the next season? He said, I'm
- 25:52Speaker 3: happy for Peyton, he deserved it. Will miss his energy
- 25:54Speaker 3: and skill. I don't think about the season. Yet we
- 25:56Speaker 3: have to play this talking about the foever thing that
- 25:58Speaker 3: he's in. But it's gonna be okay, It's gonna it's
- 26:00Speaker 3: gonna be okay. What about what about the thought process
- 26:03Speaker 3: that Nikola Jokicic is sort of a king maker? How
- 26:06Speaker 3: about that that Nikola Jokic is the kind of guy
- 26:10Speaker 3: that can get guys paid.
- 26:12Speaker 2: Well, that's right.
- 26:14Speaker 3: So if he thinks it's gonna be okay, I mean,
- 26:17Speaker 3: I guess what I'm looking at is the current roster,
- 26:20Speaker 3: and I know we look at it and we go, oh, gosh,
- 26:22Speaker 3: you know this guy. No, we don't know this guy. No, no, no,
- 26:24Speaker 3: Can he make a king out of any of these guys?
- 26:26Speaker 3: Is there anybody that that he can he can usher
- 26:29Speaker 3: along and you know, fired unbelievable passes for wide open
- 26:34Speaker 3: shots and make another king here, forget another guy paid.
- 26:37Speaker 2: Is there anybody on this.
- 26:38Speaker 3: Roster Vic that you look at the depth and say
- 26:40Speaker 3: that guy can get paid if he's playing with Joker.
- 26:43Speaker 6: Listen, we know what Nikola Jokic means to any other player.
- 26:46Speaker 6: He is the Peyton Manning of this league. If you're
- 26:49Speaker 6: a receiver in the NFL back in the day and
- 26:51Speaker 6: you play with Peyton Manning.
- 26:52Speaker 2: You're gonna get paid. Yeah, he's gonna catch a love balls.
- 26:55Speaker 2: You're gonna get paid.
- 26:56Speaker 3: He made him money for a bunch of money for
- 26:57Speaker 3: Julius Thomas Ton. Yeah, and whatver happened to Julius Thomas after?
- 27:02Speaker 2: Uh? He was Jacksonville or Jacksonville, sorry, Jacksonville.
- 27:05Speaker 6: The point is that's that's what he is here, and
- 27:08Speaker 6: everybody understands that.
- 27:09Speaker 2: But what what bothers me is this?
- 27:12Speaker 3: Oh, how sinful that they're only gonna win one with Joker.
- 27:16Speaker 2: That's what people assume. How sinful? You know? Why don't
- 27:20Speaker 2: you ask the guy himself what he thinks about that?
- 27:22Speaker 6: Because everybody seems to be so concerned about Joker, his welfare,
- 27:26Speaker 6: his legacy.
- 27:26Speaker 2: He's already set him going nowhere what everybody?
- 27:29Speaker 3: Every text I read, I'm gonna read one right here
- 27:32Speaker 3: because I can't wait to read some of these.
- 27:35Speaker 2: Uh.
- 27:36Speaker 3: Some guy demonishes me and says, uh, I cannot believe
- 27:40Speaker 3: they're only gonna get one title in the Joker era.
- 27:42Speaker 6: Well, first of all, we don't know that, we don't
- 27:44Speaker 6: know how many. Uh, but this is more than Nikoliokic.
- 27:48Speaker 6: Nikoliokic understands who he is and what he does.
- 27:51Speaker 3: If you ask the Kohlik, hey, Nicola, would you be
- 27:54Speaker 3: satisfied with one title and what you've done in the NBA?
- 27:56Speaker 2: What do you think his answer would be?
- 27:58Speaker 3: Would you be satisfied with that? But I don't think
- 28:01Speaker 3: you know satisfied, I mean satisfied. I guess you always
- 28:04Speaker 3: want more. He's gone to places and done things now
- 28:07Speaker 3: that he never thought possible. Absolutely, he never thought possible,
- 28:10Speaker 3: of course. And and I guess all I'm saying is,
- 28:13Speaker 3: obviously you want to win more titles. Obviously you aspire
- 28:16Speaker 3: to win more, But can you let it play on
- 28:19Speaker 3: before you come to these suppositions, before you come to
- 28:21Speaker 3: these conclusions of what they are and what they've done.
- 28:24Speaker 3: The Jokers legacy, well there is that what this is about?
- 28:28Speaker 3: All of you? Oh what about Jokers legacy? I'm not
- 28:30Speaker 3: let me tell you that I love nicoley OAKA, love
- 28:32Speaker 3: his family. This is not about Jokers legacy to me, Okay,
- 28:35Speaker 3: we don't care about Jokers legacy.
- 28:37Speaker 4: I care about the Denver Nuggets. Well, I think that's
- 28:40Speaker 4: tied in with I don't care. But I think the
- 28:43Speaker 4: translation there is we're not going to have a player
- 28:46Speaker 4: like this for sixth generation.
- 28:51Speaker 2: Yes, just say every ever, ever ever in that.
- 28:55Speaker 4: This is especially when you play in Denver, your best
- 28:58Speaker 4: opportunity to try and that titles together outside of you know,
- 29:01Speaker 4: putting something uh crazy lightning at the bottle stuff together,
- 29:06Speaker 4: because you aren't gonna have a top ten player ever,
- 29:09Speaker 4: like often it's just not gonna happen. So in that case,
- 29:14Speaker 4: I think they're looking at each subsequent year. Yeah, they
- 29:18Speaker 4: won the title, they lost Bruce Brown. The next year,
- 29:20Speaker 4: they lose KCP. The next year they lose Michael Porter Junior.
- 29:24Speaker 4: The next year you lose Peyton Watson. It's like, you
- 29:26Speaker 4: don't seem like you're getting better. And at the beginning
- 29:30Speaker 4: of last year was different because when they brought in
- 29:32Speaker 4: hard Away and everybody else and Jonas valentiunas, we all
- 29:35Speaker 4: thought that that was.
- 29:36Speaker 2: Going to work. It didn't.
- 29:37Speaker 4: But I can't be a hypocrite and say that I
- 29:41Speaker 4: wasn't fully on board with that at the beginning of
- 29:42Speaker 4: the year because I was.
- 29:43Speaker 6: I just want you to understand one thing. I just
- 29:46Speaker 6: and I need everybody. Everybody needs to stop Matt, Matt,
- 29:50Speaker 6: I want you to listen to.
- 29:51Speaker 3: This, all right, Yeah, I got I got thoughts for
- 29:53Speaker 3: that as well. I want you to listen to this.
- 29:55Speaker 3: If this team in this group and management thought, but
- 30:00Speaker 3: there was a player out there, that is the difference
- 30:03Speaker 3: between a surefire title run or not. Do you think
- 30:06Speaker 3: they'd pay whatever they could to go into the tax
- 30:08Speaker 3: more more than thousand? Do you think you've seen this
- 30:11Speaker 3: this group before, this ownership group, and if there's a
- 30:13Speaker 3: player that's on this roster, Oh my god, we've got it.
- 30:16Speaker 2: We've got a title one. Do you think they paid
- 30:17Speaker 2: for it? Yes? Then that answers your question. Okay, let
- 30:20Speaker 2: me no, no, no, hang on hand.
- 30:22Speaker 3: Hey, then guys like Matt out there mechanically shut up
- 30:25Speaker 3: if we know the answer the.
- 30:27Speaker 4: Just just to back that up, sorry, most just thirty seconds.
- 30:34Speaker 4: Peyton Watson would have helped you. If you had twenty
- 30:36Speaker 4: two million dollars to spend, you would have signed Peyton Watson.
- 30:40Speaker 4: They wouldn't have done the sign in trade if they
- 30:42Speaker 4: had the money.
- 30:42Speaker 2: Correct. Does Peyton Watson make you for sure a championship winner? No? No?
- 30:47Speaker 4: But if I ask you guys this question, if Peyton
- 30:49Speaker 4: Watson was healthy last year, even if ag wasn't during
- 30:52Speaker 4: the t Wolve series, do you think the Nuggets win
- 30:54Speaker 4: that series or have a lot better chance.
- 30:56Speaker 6: Of course they do, because you've got another good player.
- 30:59Speaker 6: They have this health, but they have a better chance.
- 31:01Speaker 6: But I'll come back and ask you who would you
- 31:02Speaker 6: rather have?
- 31:03Speaker 2: Healthy? Oh? Ag? But to me, see this is.
- 31:07Speaker 3: Very simple to me, you guys are worried about the
- 31:09Speaker 3: wrong things. You guys are worried about peripheral players who
- 31:13Speaker 3: could be great. I'm worried about core players who can't
- 31:16Speaker 3: be healthy. And you're starting five is still I'm worried
- 31:18Speaker 3: about that. I'm worried about you know, all these hopes
- 31:21Speaker 3: and dreams. Oh my god, they didn't sign this kind
- 31:23Speaker 3: and that guy. None of that matters. If Aaron Gordon's
- 31:25Speaker 3: not healthy, none of it.
- 31:26Speaker 2: None of it matters. I don't care who you signed.
- 31:29Speaker 3: If he's not healthy and not playing in the big games,
- 31:32Speaker 3: you're not winning the championship the end, So shut up
- 31:36Speaker 3: about all these other players. Okay, that being said, Brett,
- 31:39Speaker 3: we talked about this yesterday and I thought you raised
- 31:42Speaker 3: again another very good point in the appetizer.
- 31:45Speaker 5: Ow.
- 31:45Speaker 3: I can't believe. I mean, you were you were squeaky
- 31:47Speaker 3: and whiney, but you raise good points. Yeah, And that
- 31:49Speaker 3: is they were doing me these other things under the
- 31:52Speaker 3: old CBA, and now you're caught up in a new
- 31:55Speaker 3: CBA that is kicking your ass. And you, excuse my language,
- 31:59Speaker 3: you get Greeley Matt chiming in here, Matt. Greeley, Matt
- 32:01Speaker 3: is a listener virtually every day, texting all the time. Uh,
- 32:06Speaker 3: it's gonna be okay for a joker, you can go
- 32:08Speaker 3: to another team and get paid. I would not blame
- 32:09Speaker 3: him for wanting to leave a cheap team, Matt. This
- 32:14Speaker 3: is not a cheap team. In fact, if anything, they're
- 32:16Speaker 3: spending the most.
- 32:17Speaker 2: Highest payroll in the NBA. I know they do. That's
- 32:22Speaker 2: and that's how you're stupid. Okay, well you don't have
- 32:24Speaker 2: to go that far. They have, they're spending more money
- 32:27Speaker 2: than anybody else. And then the.
- 32:31Speaker 3: Under the new CBA, the the cost prohibitive nature of
- 32:35Speaker 3: that second apron.
- 32:36Speaker 2: They're cheap. Though they're cheap, it's they literally pay more
- 32:40Speaker 2: money than any team in the league.
- 32:42Speaker 3: And and and when you get there, Greeley, Matt, and
- 32:44Speaker 3: everybody else who has a different thought process, if you
- 32:46Speaker 3: get there, I mean, the Boston Suffelants won a title
- 32:49Speaker 3: and they sold the team because they weren't going to
- 32:51Speaker 3: go into the apron.
- 32:52Speaker 2: The point is once you.
- 32:53Speaker 3: Get there and the restrictions on being in the apron,
- 32:56Speaker 3: not just the money tax, not just the tax, but
- 32:58Speaker 3: the inability to do deals and make trades and so
- 33:01Speaker 3: on and so forth. It's to unravel yourself out of
- 33:04Speaker 3: that mess. Here's what I want you to do. I
- 33:06Speaker 3: want you to get some headphones, and I want you
- 33:08Speaker 3: to tight get it an extension court at one hundred
- 33:10Speaker 3: footer and tight in a million knots. And then you
- 33:13Speaker 3: have to unravel that son of a gun. We've all
- 33:14Speaker 3: been there. That's what getting out of this second apron
- 33:18Speaker 3: is like. Please understand it. I know this sucks, but
- 33:21Speaker 3: this is the first step in what I hope is
- 33:24Speaker 3: maximizing the rest of jokers career. These guys don't know
- 33:27Speaker 3: how to win a championship. Well, they've won one. These
- 33:30Speaker 3: guys just aren't winning what they've won. These guys don't
- 33:33Speaker 3: spend money. They've spent more money than any I don't know, man,
- 33:36Speaker 3: it's not working. It didn't work this year. The end
- 33:39Speaker 3: this year, it might work.
- 33:40Speaker 4: We'll see out here at Meadow Hills for the AVS
- 33:43Speaker 4: Alumni Charity Golf Tournament as we are every single year,
- 33:46Speaker 4: a whole bunch more to get to stick around back
- 33:48Speaker 4: out here at Meadow Hills for the AVS Alumni Tournament,
- 33:52Speaker 4: and very happy to be joined by this man is
- 33:54Speaker 4: the creator of Man Therapy.
- 33:57Speaker 2: Joe Conrad, Joe, thanks for joining us, Man, how you doing.
- 34:00Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, guys, it's great to be here today.
- 34:02Speaker 4: Thank you for the book and the draft classes that
- 34:05Speaker 4: were given to us last week.
- 34:06Speaker 2: By the way, very good book.
- 34:08Speaker 3: I've already I've already put both the use oh you have, Yes,
- 34:10Speaker 3: I'm already. I mean I'm already deep into the classes
- 34:13Speaker 3: and the book. So that's great. By the way, Man
- 34:15Speaker 3: Therapy is sponsoring this entire tournam yesterday. It's just really awesome.
- 34:19Speaker 3: It's kick butt. But you guys have now been around
- 34:21Speaker 3: for a while, yes, and twenty twelve, right, yeah, I mean,
- 34:27Speaker 3: but really it's been the last, i want to say,
- 34:28Speaker 3: for the last four or five years where people now
- 34:31Speaker 3: really kind of get an idea of what it's all
- 34:33Speaker 3: about and how it can be helpful, and guys are
- 34:36Speaker 3: putting down their wall and getting themselves all fixed up.
- 34:39Speaker 2: It's a great thing, man.
- 34:40Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, you talk about when we got started and
- 34:42Speaker 9: have the momentums picking up. It's been an amazing journey.
- 34:45Speaker 9: So we launched man Therapy and July of twenty twelve
- 34:49Speaker 9: when we were asked to take on the issue of
- 34:51Speaker 9: suicide among working age men, and no one had ever
- 34:53Speaker 9: done an effective campaign targeting that group. So it was
- 34:57Speaker 9: this little campaign out of Colorado that took world by storm.
- 35:01Speaker 9: And I think it's because we took a very unique
- 35:03Speaker 9: approach to talking to guys about mental health and we
- 35:06Speaker 9: use humor right. Lots of times guys want to use
- 35:09Speaker 9: humor to deflect the topic, and we use humor to
- 35:11Speaker 9: get guys to lean in and get them to think
- 35:13Speaker 9: twice and it's been incredibly effective. So flash forward fourteen
- 35:18Speaker 9: years and Man Therapy is a national men's mental health brand.
- 35:21Speaker 9: We're in about twenty five states around the country, and
- 35:24Speaker 9: obviously we started here in Colorado.
- 35:26Speaker 2: And I think you're right.
- 35:26Speaker 9: The surge and the awareness is just continuing to build.
- 35:30Speaker 2: And you talked about the approach.
- 35:32Speaker 4: It It's so funny because in reading some of the
- 35:34Speaker 4: book over the last few days, it is using the
- 35:37Speaker 4: humor approach as something that I think works beautifully. Because
- 35:42Speaker 4: you're right, whenever something like that happens. We just as
- 35:44Speaker 4: dudes will brush something off, stuff it down, deep whatever, Yeah,
- 35:47Speaker 4: laugh it off.
- 35:48Speaker 2: I love the approach though, Yeah, I think you.
- 35:50Speaker 9: Know, everybody was tired and it was obviously ineffective of
- 35:53Speaker 9: the head and hand wife consoling PSA's in the past,
- 35:57Speaker 9: and so you know, man therapy, we really have three
- 36:00Speaker 9: premises that were built on, and that is that mental
- 36:03Speaker 9: health isn't just for some guys, it's for everybody. The
- 36:06Speaker 9: second one is, when it comes to your mental health,
- 36:08Speaker 9: the best defense is a good offense. And then finally,
- 36:11Speaker 9: we think therapy comes in many forms, so you don't
- 36:13Speaker 9: just have to go see a therapist and lie in
- 36:15Speaker 9: a couch. Right, There's a lot of things you can
- 36:17Speaker 9: do to kind of take care of yourself. So each
- 36:19Speaker 9: of those principles are really important. The first one that
- 36:22Speaker 9: men's mental health is for everybody, Like, yeah, you may
- 36:25Speaker 9: be struggling, and you may have friends that are really
- 36:27Speaker 9: down in the dumps or dealing with something serious, and yeah,
- 36:29Speaker 9: that's an acute mental health issue that has to be
- 36:31Speaker 9: dealt with. But really, I think every one of us
- 36:34Speaker 9: needs to look in the mirror and realize that we're
- 36:36Speaker 9: somewhere on that continuum of mental health and well being.
- 36:38Speaker 2: Sure, you could be going along.
- 36:40Speaker 9: And everything's great and then you get hit with something
- 36:42Speaker 9: out of the blue and you got to, you know,
- 36:44Speaker 9: make sure you're resilient and able to you know, stand
- 36:47Speaker 9: up to that when it happens.
- 36:48Speaker 2: You know, Joe, I think the past.
- 36:51Speaker 3: I think when guys would hear the word therapy, you know,
- 36:55Speaker 3: I think a lot of guys would think that's emasculating
- 36:57Speaker 3: or something like that. You know what I mean that
- 36:59Speaker 3: that Oh God, I can't, I can't, can't go that route.
- 37:02Speaker 2: Well that's not the dirty ward anymore.
- 37:03Speaker 3: Now, it's like, yeah, now it's now, it's a wise Now,
- 37:06Speaker 3: it's a wise thing where guys you know, yeah, you
- 37:08Speaker 3: know what, this can help me And if you just
- 37:10Speaker 3: allow yourself to be helped, I think you're gonna be uh,
- 37:13Speaker 3: you're gonna be okay.
- 37:14Speaker 9: And you know what, I'm proud that we've been part
- 37:16Speaker 9: of that tipping point and changing that attitude about therapy.
- 37:19Speaker 9: You know, we we knew that there was a big
- 37:21Speaker 9: stigma around mental health when it comes to guys, but
- 37:24Speaker 9: we decided to call it man therapy on purpose. We
- 37:26Speaker 9: wanted to go right through the obstacle and really redefine
- 37:30Speaker 9: what therapy is. And it's really about, you know, uh,
- 37:32Speaker 9: taking care of yourself and realizing, you know that there's
- 37:36Speaker 9: a lot of things you can do.
- 37:37Speaker 2: Uh.
- 37:38Speaker 9: And it's not just about dealing with an issue, but
- 37:39Speaker 9: it's about having a growth mindset, being resilient and not
- 37:44Speaker 9: just surviving but thriving.
- 37:46Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 37:46Speaker 9: So mental health is about doing positive things in your life,
- 37:49Speaker 9: not just taking care of the stuff you got to
- 37:50Speaker 9: deal with.
- 37:51Speaker 6: Joe, you and I have taken care of some stuff
- 37:54Speaker 6: personally behind the scenes that you got to deal with,
- 37:56Speaker 6: and a lot of it comes into play, right, So
- 37:58Speaker 6: you're you're a man out there, And what is it
- 38:01Speaker 6: about men not wanting to tell their stories, their personal
- 38:04Speaker 6: well being stories?
- 38:05Speaker 2: Why are we like that? I'm not, but mostly you're not. No,
- 38:08Speaker 2: You're an open book. Uh.
- 38:10Speaker 9: And I wish more guys were like you, Vic, But
- 38:11Speaker 9: then you know there, I think I think.
- 38:15Speaker 2: Hides a lot of like he's gotten massive hymorry.
- 38:17Speaker 9: It would take the like it would take a team
- 38:20Speaker 9: of therapist working around the clock to figure out what's
- 38:22Speaker 9: going on with most Would you.
- 38:23Speaker 2: Like to see them? Do you want to see those runs? Well?
- 38:27Speaker 2: But there's a room right in here. You know, you
- 38:29Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So you are an open book.
- 38:31Speaker 2: I'm running to so many guys and they're like, no,
- 38:33Speaker 2: I don't. I don't talk about that. Why not? Deeply rooted?
- 38:37Speaker 9: Man, it goes back to the caveman days really and
- 38:40Speaker 9: and and you know, uh, if you just look back
- 38:42Speaker 9: at generation ago what our parents were like, right, and
- 38:45Speaker 9: it's changing and kids today, I think that don't have that.
- 38:48Speaker 2: Kind of stigma around mental health. It's kind of a
- 38:49Speaker 2: thing of the past.
- 38:50Speaker 9: I think it's it's something that has slowly been chipped
- 38:53Speaker 9: away at. And it's a good thing that guys are
- 38:56Speaker 9: much more open and willing to talk about that now.
- 38:58Speaker 9: But it's a slow moving train for sure.
- 39:00Speaker 6: I'm glad you're with us on the golf course and
- 39:02Speaker 6: Joe's gonna play today in the AMS alumni.
- 39:05Speaker 2: Golf causes a lot of mental distress for me. I've
- 39:08Speaker 2: shared this story with these guys a few years ago.
- 39:10Speaker 6: I couldn't get the ball off the ground and I
- 39:12Speaker 6: was at a driving range and I went to a
- 39:13Speaker 6: bench and literally started crying.
- 39:16Speaker 2: That's good to let it. I mean, don't don't keep
- 39:18Speaker 2: a bottle up inside. Look you I'm not joking. I
- 39:21Speaker 2: sat there and I cried. You cried. Do you see
- 39:25Speaker 2: a lot of parallels with the skin?
- 39:29Speaker 9: Absolutely? I mean, uh, golf can be a very frustrating thing.
- 39:33Speaker 9: But you know what, hanging out with your buddies, uh, drinking,
- 39:36Speaker 9: cheering each other on, busting each other's balls, even you know,
- 39:41Speaker 9: looking for a little white ball, uh in knee high
- 39:43Speaker 9: grasses therapeutic if you look at it the right way.
- 39:46Speaker 9: But uh, yeah, I think it's uh, it's something that
- 39:49Speaker 9: you know, is becoming more and more prevalent, that guys
- 39:52Speaker 9: are realizing that it's something that they need to be
- 39:54Speaker 9: aware of.
- 39:55Speaker 4: Joe Conrad, creator of Man Therapy, by the way, the
- 39:58Speaker 4: book Man Therapy, Therapy the Way a Man can do it?
- 40:01Speaker 2: Can sorry therapy, the way a Man does it? Did
- 40:06Speaker 2: you literally just sit there and type this book out? Yeah? Yeah,
- 40:09Speaker 2: we published it.
- 40:10Speaker 9: I have six clinical experts who wrote topics good on
- 40:14Speaker 9: everything from anger, depression, anxiety, relationships. Yeah, you know, and
- 40:19Speaker 9: then I wrote the intro and and a few of
- 40:22Speaker 9: the chapters. So yeah, it's been a great project and
- 40:24Speaker 9: we're getting some really great feedback.
- 40:25Speaker 2: But what do you hope people get out of the book?
- 40:27Speaker 2: You know.
- 40:27Speaker 9: I think it's uh, it's something that you can read
- 40:30Speaker 9: cover to cover or you can just kind of keep
- 40:32Speaker 9: it on your shelf and if you're having some issues
- 40:34Speaker 9: with anxiety or hanger dump, jump right into it and
- 40:38Speaker 9: you can find some solutions. And it's really about practical
- 40:40Speaker 9: advice tools you can use right away.
- 40:42Speaker 2: That is the key. This is not Warren Peace.
- 40:45Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, you're not getting you know, it's Encyclopedia Britannica.
- 40:49Speaker 2: It's not a super long book.
- 40:50Speaker 3: You could sit down and jam through that thing if
- 40:52Speaker 3: you wanted to in a day or however fast you read.
- 40:55Speaker 3: But it's uh, yeah, you're not getting beaten over the
- 40:59Speaker 3: head either, you know what I mean. It's like it's
- 41:00Speaker 3: just like it it's really good even for a guy
- 41:03Speaker 3: like Brett who doesn't read. This is a good thing
- 41:06Speaker 3: for I like you have an audio, have an audiobook
- 41:11Speaker 3: good for those that don't read.
- 41:12Speaker 2: Yeah, more of a podcasting visible guy. And you know
- 41:15Speaker 2: you talk about golf and how this is relatable.
- 41:18Speaker 9: I think the most important thing on the golf course
- 41:20Speaker 9: and when you play your best is to be joyful,
- 41:23Speaker 9: right and not not get upset, not cry and shake
- 41:26Speaker 9: it off and and just smile, smile through it.
- 41:29Speaker 6: A couple last year we were playing golf with Mosure
- 41:32Speaker 6: and he had a three foot putt rolling hills. It
- 41:36Speaker 6: was three feet. Then you talk about joyful and he
- 41:41Speaker 6: sent it halfway to the whole.
- 41:44Speaker 2: So what is there a chapter in the book that
- 41:45Speaker 2: he could read to help him out with that? Is
- 41:48Speaker 2: there a confidence cutting?
- 41:51Speaker 9: That's our that's our followed book putting like a man?
- 41:54Speaker 2: There you go. Uh.
- 41:55Speaker 4: More information can be found man therapy dot org. Joe Conrad,
- 41:58Speaker 4: the creator man Therapy, Thank you Joe for the time.
- 42:00Speaker 4: Appreciate with you.
- 42:02Speaker 2: You are buddy.
- 42:03Speaker 4: Joe Conrad, creator of man Therapy again the book Man
- 42:07Speaker 4: Therapy Therapy The Way a Man Does It. You can
- 42:10Speaker 4: also find more at manthapy dot org.
- 42:13Speaker 2: Thank you Joe.
- 42:14Speaker 4: Just a couple of things real quick here, Vic, before
- 42:15Speaker 4: we take a break, put your headset back on.
- 42:17Speaker 2: What are you're doing?
- 42:18Speaker 4: It's not our time to go yet. Did you see
- 42:23Speaker 4: that the Cowboys and Saints got fined five hundred thousand
- 42:25Speaker 4: dollars a piece for the fights in joint practice.
- 42:28Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I don't know what to think about
- 42:30Speaker 6: that because violence in football go hand in hand YEP
- 42:34Speaker 6: and fighting happens, and fighting is stupid in football.
- 42:37Speaker 2: Especially with helmets, because I mean, how do you how
- 42:39Speaker 2: do you really get hurt? Right?
- 42:41Speaker 6: You know, are you gonna get hurt more when you're
- 42:43Speaker 6: unprotected over the middle trying to catch your pass or
- 42:45Speaker 6: when you're trying to throw a punch at a dude
- 42:47Speaker 6: with a helmet.
- 42:48Speaker 2: It's sort of stupid. Yeah, So why are they being
- 42:50Speaker 2: so vigilant about training camp fight?
- 42:53Speaker 4: So they sent a memo to all teams in the
- 42:56Speaker 4: league about these joint practices and fights in it. And
- 42:58Speaker 4: they said in preparation training camp, but scheduling of joint
- 43:01Speaker 4: practice see police see below, the best practices regarding conduct.
- 43:05Speaker 4: And all of this is meant to say, if you
- 43:10Speaker 4: get in a fight, you're gonna get punished.
- 43:12Speaker 2: We will see it, we will find you, and that's it.
- 43:14Speaker 2: And so you know, here's the thing.
- 43:19Speaker 4: If you're Sean Payton and you have a joint practice,
- 43:21Speaker 4: which they don't have this year. But let's say that
- 43:23Speaker 4: they just did a joint practice yesterday against the Packers, right,
- 43:26Speaker 4: and there's a fight at practice and the Broncos get fined.
- 43:32Speaker 4: Who do you think is most upset about that? Is
- 43:36Speaker 4: it the Walton Penner group that's gonna have the pony
- 43:38Speaker 4: up the dough? Are they mad at Sean Payton for
- 43:41Speaker 4: not controlling the players? Is Peyton more mad at as
- 43:43Speaker 4: players for not controlling themselves?
- 43:45Speaker 2: What do you think it is? I don't know who
- 43:48Speaker 2: you get upset at. I think training camp fights are
- 43:51Speaker 2: part and parcel of training camp.
- 43:52Speaker 3: And even if it's not your fault, if somebody hauls
- 43:54Speaker 3: off and hit you in the face of practice, Like, I.
- 43:56Speaker 6: Don't understand why they're policing this so fervently. I don't
- 43:59Speaker 6: get it.
- 44:00Speaker 4: It does feel like, hey, we're playing a violent sport,
- 44:02Speaker 4: but no violence outside of some violence.
- 44:04Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that.
- 44:05Speaker 3: That's why I've never understood how the NFL picks and
- 44:08Speaker 3: chooses when to be violent.
- 44:09Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 44:10Speaker 6: You know, my nephew is playing full contact football for
- 44:15Speaker 6: the first time, and they had a scrimmage the other
- 44:19Speaker 6: night and he's playing I think safety, and he's going
- 44:22Speaker 6: to make a tackle and one of the linemens spun
- 44:24Speaker 6: off and just cole cocked him. Blinks and he gets
- 44:27Speaker 6: back up and he's like stun and it's and his
- 44:30Speaker 6: dad was like, he'll probably never play again.
- 44:31Speaker 2: He got back up and this is this is the game.
- 44:33Speaker 2: This is what it is.
- 44:34Speaker 6: Right. Some people get up and continue playing the game.
- 44:37Speaker 6: Other people like, well that's a flag.
- 44:39Speaker 3: I think the NFL decides to pick and choose what
- 44:42Speaker 3: is violent, and I don't think you can do that
- 44:43Speaker 3: in that sport.
- 44:44Speaker 6: The sport's violent. You're going to get hurt if you
- 44:47Speaker 6: play football. If I gave you a football home and
- 44:48Speaker 6: football pads, it's not Yourthing's going to going to get hurt. Yep,
- 44:52Speaker 6: it's going to happen. And if you're cool with that,
- 44:55Speaker 6: understand that. What are we doing?
- 44:58Speaker 4: So just last thing on this Schefter said that the
- 45:00Speaker 4: Competition Committee has made sportsmanship, including at joint practices, a
- 45:05Speaker 4: point of emphasis over the past several years. All clubs
- 45:08Speaker 4: were reminded by memo prior to training camp the responsibility
- 45:10Speaker 4: of preventing unsportsmanlike behavior at these joint practices. So three
- 45:14Speaker 4: oh three, five oh four, oh nine two five A
- 45:16Speaker 4: lot more to get to Instagram