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Mina Kimes on Rams vs. Seahawks Showdown, 49ers injury theories, Patriots vs. Broncos | 01.23 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a wave original.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Bomani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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  Speaker 1: a hater. It is Mina Combs Friday. Mina Combs, what's
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  Speaker 1: going on?
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  Speaker 2: Hello. I'm so excited to see you.
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  Speaker 3: It's been so long and I just found out you're
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  Speaker 3: not going to be in San Francisco, so we're not
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  Speaker 3: going to have our annual.
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  Speaker 2: like 2 a.m. hang out and sit in the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 4: I know, right?
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  Speaker 1: We normally catch up at like what the wave party
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  Speaker 1: is or something like that. But so the trick back
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  Speaker 1: for me with the Super Bowl is the real value
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  Speaker 1: for me is to go and to go on other
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  Speaker 1: people's shows at Radio Row. But when it's on West
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  Speaker 1: Coast time, Radio Row still run on East Coast time.
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  Speaker 1: And so it's one thing to go out there and
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  Speaker 1: prostitute yourself at regular business hours. It's another thing to
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  Speaker 1: get up at 4 o'clock in the morning to walk
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  Speaker 1: the stroll. And I just don't need the money that bad.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the West Coast time zone is going to screw
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  Speaker 2: up a lot of people.
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  Speaker 3: But the benefit of it is someone who lives in L.A.
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  Speaker 3: right now. I'm done with work at like three most days, right?
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  Speaker 3: Because that's when the show's end. And I think people
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  Speaker 3: are going to discover that. Because typically in Super Bowl
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  Speaker 3: week or when it's on the East Coast or whatever,
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  Speaker 3: everybody finishes about six.
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  Speaker 2: You get a little second. And then you go out
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  Speaker 2: to dinner at eight and party or whatever. Everyone's going
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  Speaker 2: to be done at three.
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  Speaker 3: So you got hours to kill in the afternoon and
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  Speaker 3: people are going to figure that out real quick.
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  Speaker 4: Now that part, I think that you are totally fair about.
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  Speaker 1: I will also acknowledge that when it was Las Vegas,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't care about any of these things that we
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  Speaker 1: are talking about.
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  Speaker 4: I was there for that.
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  Speaker 2: The 4 p.m. casino.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, dude, Vegas.
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  Speaker 1: I was just in Vegas this week. Vegas was the
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  Speaker 1: time I got off. I got into casino at three
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  Speaker 1: o'clock and by 530, I had $ 1, 400 that I didn't
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  Speaker 1: have when I walked in.
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  Speaker 2: What is the best and worst time to be in
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  Speaker 2: a casino?
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  Speaker 4: The best and worst time to be what?
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  Speaker 2: In a casino.
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  Speaker 1: Ooh.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So are we talking about a casino in Las Vegas
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  Speaker 1: or just a casino generally?
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  Speaker 2: It's a really important distinction. Let's do Las Vegas.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, for me, it all feel like the same time
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  Speaker 1: at the casino in Las Vegas. Like no matter when
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  Speaker 1: it is, the time that makes you feel a little
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  Speaker 1: worse about yourself is when you're sitting at the table
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  Speaker 1: at nine o'clock in the morning.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: But I didn't come here to do nothing else. And
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  Speaker 1: there's not that much else to do at nine o'clock
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  Speaker 1: in the morning in Vegas. I had a day once
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  Speaker 1: where they canceled my flight. And I had to go
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  Speaker 1: from taking a 9 a.m. flight to the red eye.
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  Speaker 1: And the problem with free time in Las Vegas is
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  Speaker 1: there's nothing to do but let them in your vein
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  Speaker 1: like that. That's what there is. Now, luckily, I came
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  Speaker 1: out on top on the back end of that. But
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  Speaker 1: that's it. Nine o'clock in the morning. Everybody, everybody says
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  Speaker 1: they're not judging you. But then you look at who's
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  Speaker 1: sitting next to you and you realize that's bullshit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah we were when the vegas super bowl when i
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  Speaker 3: would have to get up to do first take or
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  Speaker 3: whatever walking through the casino to the set it was
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  Speaker 3: a tough scene it's a tough scene but that's 7
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  Speaker 3: a.m 7 to 8 a.m because you know at like
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  Speaker 3: 6 a.m you still got the night owls wrapping up
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  Speaker 3: i think that it has to be like breakfast time
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  Speaker 3: where you can actually start judging people but look i
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  Speaker 3: mean i again i'm not a gambler so i don't
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  Speaker 3: really know.
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  Speaker 2: A lot about it but um I would do a
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  Speaker 2: Super Bowl back there in a heartbeat.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, and look, if they have a Super Bowl in
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  Speaker 1: Las Vegas every year, I'll show up in Las Vegas
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  Speaker 1: every year for the Super Bowl. But this is, you
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  Speaker 1: got a special Super Bowl here, Seattle Seahawks fan. You
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  Speaker 1: got your guys facing up against the Los Angeles Rams.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like, I feel like, isn't that kind of
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  Speaker 4: your side piece though, the Rams?
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  Speaker 3: I do the Rams preseason games. I get a lot
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  Speaker 3: of flack from both sides.
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  Speaker 2: Throughout.
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  Speaker 3: There's no real, like, No one's really taken my side
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  Speaker 3: in that relationship, especially I'm an MVP voter too. And
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  Speaker 3: I have been public about the fact that I picked
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  Speaker 3: Drake May. I do a podcast every year where I
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  Speaker 3: explain my thinking and I'll get into it there. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I've definitely gotten some angry Rams fans coming at me
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  Speaker 3: about that, especially after doing the preseason.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like even in a road game in that
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  Speaker 1: incredibly loud stadium, especially after Charbonnet tore the ACL. I
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  Speaker 1: feel like, for me, this is a no-excuses game for
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  Speaker 1: the Rams, right?
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  Speaker 4: If all the principles on the.
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  Speaker 1: Rams are whom I have been told all the principles are,
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  Speaker 1: you win this game because that team has Sam.
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  Speaker 4: Darnold on it.
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  Speaker 2: But they also have the best defense in the NFL.
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  Speaker 4: I hear you. All I'm saying is this.
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  Speaker 1: They saying they want to hire the defensive coordinator supposed
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  Speaker 1: to be getting people's.
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  Speaker 4: Jobs, right? All of this stuff. You have got.
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  Speaker 1: That guy right there that we know there are things
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  Speaker 1: that you can do that will rattle his brain every
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  Speaker 1: single time. We are aware of these things. You have
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  Speaker 1: a quarterback that we are putting in the Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 1: If he wins this one, MVP, at least top two.
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  Speaker 1: We've got that. You have, generally speaking, McDonald, of course,
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  Speaker 1: has done a great job with Seattle. But you've got McVay,
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  Speaker 1: who somehow has turned out to be as advertised when
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  Speaker 1: we started off when he was 31 years old, saying
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  Speaker 1: that he was like an all-time great coach. It's all
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  Speaker 1: set up there for you to go beat a team
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  Speaker 1: that has fewer players that have been at this level
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  Speaker 1: than your team has been.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and you also have a Super Bowl opponent who
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  Speaker 2: you should.
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  Speaker 5: Beat, right?
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  Speaker 2: So this is it.
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  Speaker 3: Not to, you know, sorry, Patriots fans, but I am
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  Speaker 3: of the belief that the NFC championship winner will win
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  Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. It reminds me a little bit actually
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  Speaker 3: of the 2014 when the Seahawks played the Niners in
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  Speaker 3: the NFC Championship, the tip game. And then the Super
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  Speaker 3: Bowl itself, as you remember, was pretty anticlimactic against.
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  Speaker 2: Denver, who could be there. That year felt like that
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  Speaker 2: was the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 3: And I know I'm getting out ahead of myself, but
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  Speaker 3: it does feel to me, Bomani, like the winner of
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  Speaker 3: this game is going to win it all.
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  Speaker 2: And it's kind of, I mean, do you like the repeats?
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  Speaker 3: I like the repeats as an analyst because it gives
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  Speaker 3: you a lot of obviously taped to rewatch and matchups
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  Speaker 3: to think about. Do you think fans like it when
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  Speaker 3: teams that are familiar with each other face each other
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  Speaker 3: multiple times and it culminates in an important game?
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  Speaker 1: I think it depends on who the teams are that
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  Speaker 1: we are talking about, right? So I think of this
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  Speaker 1: in the context of.
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  Speaker 4: College basketball, right?
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  Speaker 1: So if you tell us that Carolina and Duke are
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  Speaker 1: playing a third time, that is always amazing, right? It
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  Speaker 1: almost doesn't matter what the circumstances are. That is going
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  Speaker 1: to be amazing in the end. So the only way
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  Speaker 1: you get this is if you have conference opponents, right?
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  Speaker 1: People who play against each other fairly regularly. So you've
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  Speaker 1: typically got some kind of twinge of rivalry that perks
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  Speaker 1: up and that's what makes it better. Like if it's
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  Speaker 1: Steelers Ravens and you're telling us it's the third time.
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  Speaker 1: Hell yeah, we going for that. The old NFC East
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  Speaker 1: when everything was a giant robbery or anything in the
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  Speaker 1: AFC West where every game, they all hate each other
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  Speaker 1: in a very particular way. This division, which has only
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  Speaker 1: existed now for fewer.
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  Speaker 4: Than 25 years, right?
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  Speaker 1: Seattle and San Francisco had their thing in the previous decade.
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  Speaker 2: There's some real hate there.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it's really there. This one doesn't feel like it
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  Speaker 1: has it the same way.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right. I don't think Seahawks fans
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  Speaker 3: and Rams fans really hate each other the way Seahawks
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  Speaker 3: fans and Niners. And then the Seahawks-Niners thing, you alluded
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  Speaker 3: to this. This goes back to Pete Carroll and Jim
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  Speaker 3: Harbaugh and when Colin Kaepernick was the quarterback and Russell Wilson.
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  Speaker 3: Those fan bases despise you. You remember that Bose commercial
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  Speaker 3: with Colin Kaepernick?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, that's right. It's setting out the noise.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, of angry Seahawks fans screaming at him.
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  Speaker 2: Wild sentence, by the way. Remember that Bose commercial with
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  Speaker 2: Colin Kaepernick? Real thing that happened. But anyways, yeah, that
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  Speaker 2: was a lot of real hate.
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  Speaker 3: It felt like there were two teams that were both
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  Speaker 3: peaking at the same time, both with the young quarterbacks,
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  Speaker 3: both with the coaches who legitimately did not like each other.
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  Speaker 3: For people who forget, Pete Carroll and I love coach hate.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't think Sean McVay and Sean McVay don't just.
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  Speaker 2: Like each other. You're right. There's nothing there.
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  Speaker 4: I think.
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  Speaker 3: This is a great matchup from like a football perspective,
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  Speaker 3: because I think that the Rams offense and the Seahawks
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  Speaker 3: defense are the two single best units left in the postseason.
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  Speaker 3: But from like a fan base narrative perspective, I don't
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  Speaker 3: think it really does it for people the same way.
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  Speaker 5: You're right.
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  Speaker 1: I miss Jim Harbaugh and Pete Carroll despising each other
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  Speaker 1: as they did. Like, it's a shame it didn't work
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  Speaker 1: out for Pete with the Raiders because we could have
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  Speaker 1: got it right back.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 3: It didn't even like, I don't even think we got
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  Speaker 3: like an angry handshake. And I was trying to remember
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  Speaker 3: what's your deal was in college, right?
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  Speaker 2: That was, yeah. Oh my gosh. What a great moment
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  Speaker 2: that was.
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  Speaker 3: And then there was a moment in the NFL where
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  Speaker 3: I think Pete, I don't want to fake. Maybe this
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  Speaker 3: has been, it's a false memory, but I think he
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  Speaker 3: slapped him in the butt once, like running off a field.
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  Speaker 1: He did that to Jim Schwartz. And Jim Schwartz was
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  Speaker 1: ready to fight him.
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  Speaker 2: Love Jim shorts.
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  Speaker 1: That was an amazing moment. Cause I can only imagine
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  Speaker 1: how hard he did it.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Can you imagine like a Jim Harbaugh handshake when he's
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  Speaker 1: like amped up?
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  Speaker 2: Can you imagine Jim, Jim Harbaugh and Mike McDaniel having
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  Speaker 2: a conversation by the way?
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So for people who don't know this, Mike McDaniel, um,
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  Speaker 1: continuing the lineage of Jim Harbaugh doing what he can.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, he's a very diverse hire work.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: And he hired Mike McDaniel. Didn't see that coming, did you?
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  Speaker 4: That's right. That's right.
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  Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh is the unlikeliest ally of all the allies.
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  Speaker 1: But he hired Mike McDaniel to be his offensive coordinator.
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  Speaker 1: Two guys who couldn't have more. opposite personalities, but what
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  Speaker 1: is so amazing to me about it and what I
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  Speaker 1: like for McDaniel truly is Mike McDaniel runs, which should
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  Speaker 1: be seen as a very physical offense, but his teams
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  Speaker 1: were seen as being very soft. Nobody is ever going
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  Speaker 1: to call a Jim Harbaugh team soft. So you combine
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  Speaker 1: what Mike McDaniel brings to you with Jim Harbaugh toughness.
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  Speaker 3: And y'all might want to watch out. I, this was
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  Speaker 3: like of all the hires that have come in coaching,
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  Speaker 3: offensive coordinator, whatever. This is the only one where I
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  Speaker 3: feel like it's been met with a universal approval rating
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  Speaker 3: from fans, from the football nerds.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody seems to love it.
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  Speaker 3: It seems to me like an, genius choice for Mike McDaniel,
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  Speaker 3: who I imagine wants to get right back in the
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  Speaker 3: head coaching mix pretty quick. You see he pulled out
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  Speaker 3: of the Browns. He was considered for head coaching, and
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  Speaker 3: he was like, nah. I mean, I think from a
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  Speaker 3: career perspective, you get to live in LA by the beach.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody bothers you because it's the Chargers. You get to
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  Speaker 3: follow Greg Roman. We saw Todd Munkin get that bump, right?
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  Speaker 3: So I thought this was a perfect hire, even if
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  Speaker 3: the idea of them talking for more than 60 seconds
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  Speaker 3: is hilarious to me.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Harbaugh.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Harbaugh is so interesting to me because
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  Speaker 1: I feel like he apparently figures this out better than
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  Speaker 1: one would expect, right? It's also so interesting that he
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  Speaker 1: and his brother, our brothers, look exactly the same. We
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  Speaker 1: don't feel that way about John Harbaugh at all. He
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  Speaker 1: seems to be a somewhat normal, well-adjusted person.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is weird. It's like a perfect case study
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  Speaker 3: in nature versus nurture. And I've been around both of them, and, like, interpersonally,
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  Speaker 3: they are exactly how they seem. Like, there's no affect. Like,
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  Speaker 3: Jim Harbaugh legitimately is that strange in person, and John
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  Speaker 3: Harbaugh is that normal in person.
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  Speaker 1: Jim also seems to be exactly all the way down
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  Speaker 1: to the face like his father, and I can only
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  Speaker 1: imagine how his father went over with people. He's of
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  Speaker 1: an entirely different generation. Like, before, we had a tolerance
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  Speaker 1: for being a weirdo.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Before we had a tolerance for being a weirdo.
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  Speaker 3: But maybe Daniel's also very, he's not, he's odd, man.
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  Speaker 1: He's a completely different archetype of weirdo.
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  Speaker 4: And they're going to bring.
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  Speaker 1: This together with their quarterback who used to cut his
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  Speaker 1: own hair.
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  Speaker 3: I think they're going to have to hire a defense
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  Speaker 3: coordinator because I think they're, who I think is very good.
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  Speaker 3: Their defense coach, I think is going to get a
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  Speaker 3: job too.
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  Speaker 5: So.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we'll see. Did any of the hires that
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  Speaker 2: have happened so far?
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  Speaker 3: So we got Harbaugh to the Giants, Sala to the Titans.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if he owes people money.
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  Speaker 2: Sala?
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  Speaker 1: But, I mean, this is going to be his last
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  Speaker 1: head coaching job. Yeah. That's why I don't understand him
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  Speaker 1: doing this. I don't see a world where it works
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  Speaker 1: for anybody on that job.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you're saying, like, why would he choose that job? Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: First of all, I have a theory on that job
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  Speaker 3: and him that is completely galaxy brained. But until the
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  Speaker 3: hire happened, Bo, it really seemed like they were going
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  Speaker 3: with Matt Nagy.
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  Speaker 2: Do you see all that reporting?
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  Speaker 4: I did see that. And that leads to my point.
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  Speaker 1: The people that were willing to hire Matt Nagy, that's
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  Speaker 1: who you went to work for.
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  Speaker 2: Or galaxy brain.
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  Speaker 3: Those people put out the Matt Nagy stuff so that
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  Speaker 3: when they hired Robert Sala, Titans fans were.
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  Speaker 4: Like, oh my God, this is amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like the reverse smokescreen. Interesting.
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  Speaker 3: Set the expectations real low and upset your fan base
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  Speaker 3: and then make a move that everybody's cool with.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's that bad of a job, though.
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  Speaker 2: I really don't.
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  Speaker 3: I know that ownership's odd and there's a lot of
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  Speaker 3: odd stuff behind the scenes there, but I feel like
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  Speaker 3: the bar is very low. There's an understanding that the
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  Speaker 3: roster is still in a rebuild. And I liked what
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  Speaker 3: I saw from the quarterback year one.
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  Speaker 2: I really did. I think he's really talented.
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  Speaker 1: I do think, and maybe that's the thing with Salah,
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  Speaker 1: who just left a situation with the Jets where he
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  Speaker 1: didn't have a quarterback. And he looks at this one
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  Speaker 1: and he sees, oh, there is a quarterback. And I
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  Speaker 1: think his understanding that he'll always be able to come
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  Speaker 1: back home to.
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  Speaker 4: Kyle if it comes down to it.
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  Speaker 1: Because defensive coordinators, for reasons good and bad, don't stay
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  Speaker 1: there very long.
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  Speaker 3: Can I tell you another story about Robert Salah that
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  Speaker 3: I think will be of particular interest to you? we
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  Speaker 3: were at NFL Live. You know, we're on site for Mondays,
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  Speaker 3: like wherever the game is, right? So we go out
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  Speaker 3: like a three to five Eastern. So the coaches and
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  Speaker 3: everybody's kind of starting to arrive. So Salah does this
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  Speaker 3: thing every game. I think they've shown it a lot
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  Speaker 3: on the broadcast where he runs the entire stadium. That's
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  Speaker 3: why he's so jacked. You're wondering like, why is Robert
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  Speaker 3: Salah in amazing shape? He literally runs up downs the
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  Speaker 3: entire stadium before the game. He did it when he
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  Speaker 3: was the head coach of the Jets. he did it
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  Speaker 3: when he was a defense coordinator at San Francisco 49ers.
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  Speaker 3: So we were at, I can't remember which game, but
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  Speaker 3: it was a Niners game.
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: And we were at the NFL NFL at the end
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: of NFL live.
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: We, they showed on camera, they were like, Oh, there's
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: Robert Sala, like running up and down the stadium doing
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: his like, and I really didn't want to throw our
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: director under the bus, but we came back and I
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: had to point out, That was K.J.
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: Wright. He got bald profiled.
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: K.J.
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: Wright is the linebacker's coach for the.
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: San Francisco 49ers.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: In case anybody wants to feel old. That's a new
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: generation of player-turned-coach. Oh my God, that's so funny. We
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: had a topic once on Do You Question on Highly Questionable.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: And I'll never forget seeing this happen. And I imagine
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: it wasn't the first time this happened. At the time,
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: Purdue was coached by a dude named Darryl Hazel.
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: And he was black.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: I think he had coached like at Kent state or
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: something before that. And it was a, do you question something?
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: I think it was, I want to say it was
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: Jerry kill who coached at Minnesota at the time.
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: And the clip is post game. It's time for the
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: coach handshake.
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: And Jerry kill walks up to a black dude and
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: goes to shake his hand. And the black dude goes
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: over there and directed him to the actual head coach
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: because they had walked up on the wrong black dude.
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: And I kind of, Why would you think it was two?
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying?
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Like I kind of understood where it was that he
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: was coming from, but I, oh my God, I could
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: not stop laughing.
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: Could not stop. That's tough.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: That's tough. What was the last time you got mixed up?
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: Nah. Let me think.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: Cause something happened recently that made me ask the question of,
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: do you think I'm somebody else?
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: But I don't, I have not, I've not had it
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: in person.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: I have always like, so for example, one time inside
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: the NFL asked me to come on. Okay. And this is,
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: I think it was on Showtime. So, you know, James Brown,
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Phil Sims, Ray Lewis was doing the show at the time.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: And Brandon Marshall couldn't make it for whatever reason. And
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: they asked me to come. And I did tell my
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: guy to ask them, are you sure they're not intending
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: to call Dahani Jones? Because that's a very player show.
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: I don't get it a lot.
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you got to stand alone out.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Here, right?
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: I was going to say, there's no Cassidy Hubbard walking
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: around doing NFL.
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: I mean, Michelle Steele.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was one.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: But yeah, when I was younger, I used to get
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: mixed up more for other Asians, but not so much
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: these days.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, now I do have to remember, we got this
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: game that's actually going to happen here.
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, sorry. Hey, man, we're having a good time, baby.
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: You know how it goes.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: Am I being too hard on your man as you
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: are the sympathizer? And I call him same, Darnold. Am
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: I being too hard on him? Because he's been rather
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: cheeky for the last month or so. Yeah. No.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: So the second half of the season, it really started
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: with the Rams game in week 11. The offense kind
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: of fell off a cliff, particularly the passing attack. Statistically,
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: this is borne out. It's not just like turnovers and,
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: you know, the satisfaction of those, like the passing attack
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: became way worse. And I think, you know, so you're
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: just pointing out what's factual, frankly. I will say the
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: run game started improving, though, around the same time and
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: has gotten better and better and better as the season
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: has gone along. And I think you saw, certainly against
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: San Francisco, which is a very winded defense, obviously, when
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: the run game has been dominant, it does settle him
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: to some degree. And I think that's kind of the
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: key in this one, right? Like, cause they ran the
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: ball really well on the Rams in week 16. If
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: they can do that again with Kenneth Walker, who's been really,
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: really good as of late, then I'm feeling good about Darnold.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: If it ends up being like a drop back, let's
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: see who could throw you out of this thing. You're
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: not feeling good given what this defense, this defensive coordinator
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: has done to him. So yeah, he, he, he is
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: not carrying this team right now. And I don't think
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: he would say that either. It just kind of comes
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: down to whether or not he's going to make the
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: sort of boneheaded mistakes we've seen against this defense, man.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: I got us back to talking about the game and
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: talk about ginger cuz, and I already got us a
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: tangent that I forgot about. We're going to wind up
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: talking about San Francisco as much as we talk about
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: anybody else. Have you paid attention to how apparently an
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: urban legend is now maybe affecting the way that San
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Francisco can attract players? Because I'm going to be honest
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: with you, I need your help a little bit on
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: this because I don't really understand the urban legend.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: It's like, okay, as best I understand it, because you
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: know what my metric is for when a story is
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: broken contained when my husband asks me about it. So
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: for those who don't know, my husband is not a
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: football person, doesn't even care about it. he gets all
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: of his football news from hood clips, which means I,
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: the so the questions he asks me are like very
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: uh specific but he was like what's going on with
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: this uh electrical thing and sarah scott was like all
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: right this means i gotta figure what the hell's going
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: on here so the theory is this like substation or
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: whatever could be explaining what's going on with all these
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: niners players and these injuries I believe I've seen scientists
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: debunk this.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: And to be clear to people, it's like some electrical
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: substation that is right next door to the stadium or
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: the facility?
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's the practice facility.
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, where they practice.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: And because, you know, I think what's so confusing about
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: the Niners injuries is it's not one side of the ball.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: it's not any particular kind of field. They seem to
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: happen everywhere in every stadium to lots of different kinds
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: of players.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: So you can't look at Kyle Shannon and be like,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: his offense is putting guys there. It is literally both
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: sides of the ball. It is contact. It is non-contact.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: There's no through line to it. I did see that
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Lynch was, I think he said he was going to
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: look into it. Did I miss?
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I didn't get a fake news
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: on that. My theory, Bo, is just that they played
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: a lot of football because they go deep. They've been
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: going deep in Kyle Shanahan. They've been playing postseason games
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: for so many of the years. And because of the
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: NFL being the way it is, if you play a
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: lot of football, you're more likely to get hurt.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I know there's other teams that.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Have played a lot of football, like Philadelphia, that don't
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: seem to have the same issues. But there is pretty
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: clearly a correlation.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Detroit has the same issues, and they've played a good
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: bit of football the last couple of years.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: If there's something I know about injuries, the more you play,
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: the more likely you are to get them. And that's
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: not even like in those games, right? Like you play
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: a lot of football, you get less of an off season,
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: you practice more. It's just, we think about how violent
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: and how physically taxing the sport is. And this is
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: why there's such outcry over adding games every year. Every
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: single game, every single additional week matters a lot.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: I want to make sure that people understand this.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Somebody sent a tweet that said, it's this electrical substation
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: that's right next to the San Francisco 49ers practice facility.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: And it caught on like wildfire on the internet And
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: it caught on with players where you had like agents
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: and the likes asking questions about, hey, what's going on here?
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: John Lynch at their end of season postmortem press conference said, yes,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: that they have had to address this with people, that
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: this thing bounced around on the Internet. And now people
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: are afraid that they ligaments is getting wobbly because of
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: this thing that's next door, because somebody said it. on
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: the internet the problem is it was presented somewhat plausibly
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: in such a way that even rational thinking people had
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: to ask their smart friends hey this isn't real though is.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: It and i i don't know enough about science um
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: it is crazy with the niners though right like yeah.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: They're a fascinating franchise, man.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: And they got, look, every now and then good teams
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: get their doors blown off.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: But I did not.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: That was, I thought, even as decimated as they were,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: that spoke a lot to how strong Seattle has been,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: the way that they just kicked their asses.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: You know what it also spoke to, and I'm sorry,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: this is going to sound like a hater comment, how
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: horrible the Eagles offense is.
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: What the hell?
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Were you not thinking that watching gimpy? Like Sam Darnold was.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: I thought he, you know, he didn't have to do
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: a lot, but you look fine. They were running rough
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: shot off them. I'm watching this thinking, damn Philadelphia.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: You couldn't even put together a drive on this smash unit.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Hey, let me tell you something next year for both
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Philadelphia and Buffalo is going to be really interesting to
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: see like how you recover from what just happened. Now
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: granted the last time the Eagles had a, how do
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: you recover from what just happened season?
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: They won a super bowl. Yeah.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: It is full on chaos there, but that was a
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: loss where they decided to fire Sirianni. It's understandable because
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: you're not supposed to lose to that team.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: You should not, they should not have lost second and,
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: you know, credit to Shanahan and Sala and all of that.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: But like, that is, that looks, I don't think, I'm
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: not talking about the defense.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Cause I think that Niners offense, I mean, I saw
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: them move the ball despite injuries on, they beat teams
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: with Mac Jones. Like that's, They were a little bit
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: healthier on that side of the ball. They were a
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: lot healthier on that side of the ball. And like,
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: obviously they didn't have Kittle against the Seahawks.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: That's respectable. Fine. Not being able to move the ball
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: on that defense is so bad.
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: So I think the flip side of that, to go
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: back to Seahawks though, is like, that's why I'm not
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: overconfident about the Seahawks offense coming off of that beatdown,
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: because I don't think it's very impressive to, you know,
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: beat San Francisco.
• 24:32
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  Speaker 4: All right, we are back with Mita Kimes.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: I love how everybody is invested in making these games
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: seem interesting no matter what. The NBA has this problem
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: where too many people in its media tell the truth, right?
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: They'll tell you what they think a game is not
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: going to be bad, everything else. Not in the NFL, boy.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: I saw that boy Peter Schrag on TV talking about Stiddy.
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: He was hype.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: He's just like, Bill Belichick chose Stiddy. Josh McDaniels chose Stiddy.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Sean Payton has chosen Stiddy. A bunch of guys that
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: have never actually really chosen a good quarterback before. Just
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: so we're clear, right? Belichick had Tom Brady. Josh McDaniels
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: had Tom Brady.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: Who's the other one? Sean Payton I mean, he got
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: Drew Brees.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Well, he chose him as backup. Sean Payton did not
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: choose Jarrett.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: Stanton to be starting quarterback.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. That's an important distinction, right?
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: These guys had a good quarterback one time.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: I know Drew Brees was good.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: I knew Drew Brees was good by the time Sean
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Payton made the decision on him.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying?
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Anyway, he's going to be starting in the AFC championship game.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: They're going to get that game at home. They have
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: an incredible defense. They have won a Super Bowl 10
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: years ago in Denver with a terrible quarterback, but the
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: terrible quarterback was Peyton Manning, right? Like, he could still
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: do Peyton Manning-y things at times. They're going up against
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: the Patriots. Drake May did not look good against a
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: great defense when he had it at home, though he
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: still made some big plays.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: To me, this feels like a game New England should win.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: I'll say one thing about the the run with Manning,
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: I think that defense, the no-fly zone defense, was better
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: than this Broncos defense.
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: Interesting.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: So I think that's important here. I think the Texans
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: and the Seahawks were cut above Denver. I think we've
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: seen that. And I think New England... First of all,
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Drake made his face like, I can't lay off defenses.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Good Lord, right?
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: You got to go.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: Chargers, really good, really well coached. Texans might be the
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: best in the NFL next to Seattle. The Broncos.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: And then if they could potentially base the Seahawks, right?
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: He did enough. And I thought he made some impressive plays.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: But as far as like the other side of the ball.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to lie to you and say like
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Jared Stidham is the next Nick Foles.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: I think he's competent.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: So, you know, I watched his games to prepare for
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: this week. This is not, who was the last time
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: we saw like a truly Who was last backup quarterback
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: who had to play in a, other than Foles?
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: Foles had a run.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: When Purdy got hurt in that game against the Eagles.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Jesus.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: Did they even have a quarterback? I feel like they
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: was out there running the wing teeth.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: It was Josh Johnson, I think. And then they talked
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: about like, does Christian McCaffrey going to have to go
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: into this game?
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: Yes, that's what it was.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: So Jared Stim is competent. I genuinely believe that.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: Like after watching him, he is not going to pee
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: down his leg. He is not like a, should not
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: be playing in.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: The NFL type of guy.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: No, not at all.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: But I do.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: Unfortunately think for him, assuming the Patriots defense feels like
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: it's kind of peaking at the right time, like guys
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: have been getting healthy.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: They look very well coached. I thought Milton Williams was
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: extraordinary in the last round. It was like their big signing.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: So this is not like if you if sorry to
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: keep harping on this, but like if it was Jared
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: Stidham against the Niners, Bo with Sean Payton, I actually
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: think they could.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Move the ball on them.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: I think the Patriots pose a bigger challenge. They're going
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: to have to force Drake made a fumble. And that's
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: been an issue for him. in the post season, this
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: defense is going to have to play the game of
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: their lives. Nick Bonito step right out, be a legend.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: Patriots left tackle has been.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Struggling, right?
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: Yes, he has.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: It's been rough.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: So I, I'm not going to tell you this is
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: going to be a good game, but I also don't
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: think it's going to be a blowout either.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: I really don't because that defense.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: You know, I think I'm talking myself into another direction
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: here because to be fair to Sean Payton, we have
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: seen him in new Orleans and even, I mean, He
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: did some things.
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: With Russell Wilson, right?
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: At a point in which Russell Wilson, it went from
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: let Russ cook to Russ is cooked, right? And he still,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, Russell Wilson made the Pro Bowl that year
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: in spite of whatever was going on up there.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: But they had non-terrible.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Offenses in New Orleans with Jameis Winston, Taysom Hill, Teddy Bridgewater.
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: Just, you know, a run of okay guys.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Now, the fact that Peyton convinced himself that Taysom Hill
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: could be that.
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: Dude, that part is a demerit.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: But his ability to make it okay with him makes
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: you think that maybe just for this week, they can
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: pull it off.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Peyton's really good, too. Like, I think, like, maybe, I
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: don't know why. I feel like he hasn't gotten as
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: much appreciation for the job he's done with Bo Nix
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: in that offense this year.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Well, that's because you and I still don't think Bo
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Nix is good and other people do.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: I'll say this.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: I'm watching the Broncos offense on tape every week and
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: I see the way Peyton, Sean Peyton, is so good
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: at creating matchup advantages for his guys. He's so good
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: in game. Like against Buffalo last week, you just saw
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: every time like a Bills defender got hurt, Peyton would
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: immediately find a way, score touchdown.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: On them, right?
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: And I just think his unique ability to game plan
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: for the weaknesses of your defense, coupled with that defense,
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: coupled with the Broncos probably have the best offensive line
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: left in the playoff.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: That matters a lot because the Patriots defense, I know
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: they've looked good.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: Ooh, they faced the Chargers and the Texans offenses. And
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: those offensive lines are turnstiles. And this new Denver Broncos
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: offensive line is fantastic. So yeah, I'm not trying to
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: sell this to you as being like.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Jarrett Stidham's going to lead this team.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: But I think there's enough factors at play that favor
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: Denver that could at least keep this close.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: I'm picking New England, of course.
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: I'm going to be honest with you.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: I'm so glad that you have watched Denver on film
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: and all of these things because this thing happens from
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: time to time. The clearest example I remember for me
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: was the 2011 49ers. And what happens is, A team
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: plays well and defies expectation. And I don't necessarily believe
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: it's going to keep going. And then it keeps going
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: and it keeps going. And the next thing you know,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: it's the AFC championship game. And I have not actually
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: watched the Broncos for real play outside from that Buffalo game.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: I mentioned the 11-49ers because I didn't watch them play
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: until that division round game against the Saints where Dante
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Wittner knocked Pierre Thomas out at the goal line.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: And I was like, shit, these boys be out here hitting.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, I would have loved to watch these guys
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: play football. And then I was on it after that
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: with Denver. I've watched enough of them in late game windows.
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Because something to they play a lot of games in
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: the late game window where they're not the game of
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: the week. So you just kind of pop in like
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: I'm at Nick's house and it pops in on the
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: TV that's set for the Red Zone channel. And you
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: see Bo Nix feast or famine or something going on
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: along those lines. I just know the defense is good.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Don't ask me who play on it. I just know
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: they're good. I know they got Nick Bonito, who does
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: not look like I would have think a Nick Bonito
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: would look, you know, but he good.
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: He is fast.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, he, I know maybe this could take us
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: to a Josh Allen conversation during the game when Josh
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: Allen had the goofy fumble before halftime, which was his
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: worst play of the game. I made the mistake of
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: posting on Twitter. That's an incredible play by Nick Bonito.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Because it was an incredible play by Nick Bonito. He
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: was rushing the passer. He reverses field and chases down
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: Josh Allen in the open field and gets an arm
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: on it. And then Josh Allen's holding the ball like this.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: And that's entirely on him. No question.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: But for Bonito to do that outrageous play.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: This is how I knew the Josh Allen thing was
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: going to go off the rails this week. I posted that,
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: and immediately there were people who were, I got ratioed, like,
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: you're making excuses for Josh Allen.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: I was like, what is happening?
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: I was trying to say Jake Bonito.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Made an amazing play, and I deleted it. I was like,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: you know what? I'm not going to tweet about Josh
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Allen today because this is apparently going to be radioactive.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: I had somebody accuse me of making excuses for Josh Allen.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: And if they think me and you are making excuses
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: for Josh Allen, what has the world come to?
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Like I started getting hit with the, well, if Lamar,
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: I'm like, pardon me? Mina Kimes?
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: You're accusing me of being anti-Lamar? Like I was like,
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: all right, I'm not gonna, I'm just gonna stay away
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: from this one. But I would, I just want more
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: thought of Bonito before we get to Allen stuff. That
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: three-play sequence, dude. Before the half, he forces a fumble.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Second play, he stops to run. Third play, he forces
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: another fumble. One of the most impactful three-play sequences you
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: will see from a defensive player all year long. He's
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: been extraordinary this year, and I think he has potential
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: to take over this game.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen turns everybody on the internet into Sam Darnold.
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: They all be seeing ghosts.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Because the thing that happens with the internet stuff now is,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: it's so tribal, right? Like it's not about your point.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: It's about whose side you're on. And people just argue
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: the side. So once the conclusion has been drawn, by definition,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: like the word that worries me the most on the
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: internet is y'all. Anytime somebody makes a reference to what
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: y'all are doing, right? So one person thinks that Josh
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Allen is the greatest quarterback of all time. there's another
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: person who thinks that Lamar Jackson is overrated.
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: Those aren't always the same people, right?
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: And so if you have enough of a critical mass
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: of people saying one thing on one side, and then
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: people saying one thing on the other, then it turns
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: into a, but y'all be dah, dah, dah. And it's like, oh, whoa,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: wait a minute, wait a minute. Like this could go
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: a bunch of different ways. And so with Allen, I mean, look,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: we have, I've said what's going on for years, and
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: people thought I was crazy, and then it really just
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: came to bear here. It's some people heavily invested in
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen being that dude. They know who they are,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: only they know what their reasons are, but they're there.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: And we ain't never had a dude in year eight
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: have four turnovers in a playoff game and be a
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: former MVP who still has not gotten to a Super Bowl,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: and the prevailing sentiment from the media was, isn't it sad?
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: What? So.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: Here's where I landed on that, because I don't think
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: anything you said is wrong. And obviously, you know, he
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: had a bad game, right? He's been good in the postseason.
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: He was bad.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: And the same could be said of Lamar Jackson. And
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: I've tried to say that about Lamar Jackson in the past,
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: and it's been kind of the flip side of it.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: But I think.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: What I have seen, what really struck me, especially with
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: an innocent.
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: Post about Nick Bonito forcing a fumble with an hustle
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: play is there's been a lot of built up, clearly
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: a lot of built up feelings amongst sports fans that
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: the media has been too high on Josh Allen.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: And I think there's validity to that, right?
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: I have my, my stance on it has about like
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: perception of Josh Allen and kind of the way he's
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: talked about is I never agreed with the idea that
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: he was in a tier above Lamar and Joe. I have,
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: and you know this because we've talked about quarterbacks forever,
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: I've felt pretty strongly there's a big four in the
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: NFL right now, those three and Mahomes. I have continued
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: to insist that Mahomes is still the best quarterback on earth.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: You guys can go to any of my quarterback rankings
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: and see this. And then I have felt that the
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: other three, I probably would put Allen and Lamar of
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: a bro personally, but just, you know, they're pretty, pretty equal.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: So I have always objected to the idea and I've
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: seen people that to do this, that Allen was above them.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: That's I've been clear about it. So I think I
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: am sympathetic to kind of the general annoyance. I have
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: also seen this week, people arguing that Josh Allen is
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: no longer a top five quarterback. Josh Allen is, you know, like,
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: and like, all right, like, To me, I think we've seen,
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: and this always happens with anything on the internet, the
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: pendulum has swung a little bit too far in terms
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: of a reaction to a playoff game. But I understand
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: that it's driven by what people have been seeing, the
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: way this quarterback has been talked about the last few years.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: And I get it.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: I get it. I understand it.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen is what if David Duvall had panned out?
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: And so when I say that, When Tiger Woods first
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: hit the scene and really took it on fire.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: We needed to find a rival, right?
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: And David Duvall was the first guy that we really
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: trotted out there to try to make into a rival.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: And then it didn't work. And then it kind of
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: moved to Phil Mickelson, right? Like, you know, we kind
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: of bounced around to different people. I guess Maria Sharapova,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: these are the- Yeah, that's the one I thought of, yeah.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: Serena Williams.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: But the difference is Sharapova, to be fair to her,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: won their first couple of matches, right?
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: And so there was reason to think it was a thing.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: And then Serena just kicked her ass for the rest
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: of their lives, right? After that, it happened. But Allen
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: actually did turn into that guy. What's weird to me
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: about it, and I guess maybe it's just in terms
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: of games they played against each other or whatever, But
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: the idea that it is clear that Josh Allen's a
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: better quarterback than Lamar Jackson is insane. Like if you
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: go look at what Lamar did last year, that was
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: one of the greatest individual seasons. Went to like 41
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: touchdowns and four interceptions or something like that. Like this
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: idea that Lamar Jackson can't pass is insane, right? There's
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: legitimate debate about which of those two guys is better. Now,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: if you are a type who likes a big, strong,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: hard-throwing quarterback, then Josh Allen's going to be the one
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: that you prefer, right? If you like a full-on, legitimate,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: dual threat, Lamar Jackson's going to be your guy. There's
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: room to decide between those two. What I found to
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: be strange about it is we never truly positioned Mahomes
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: and Lamar as rivals.
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: It was never which one you got between the two
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: of those. But we did do that with Josh Allen,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: even though Mahomes is kicking his keister or beating them
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: every time the game mattered.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: And it felt very much contrived.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Right. But the sad part is, and I think you
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: agree with me on this. Josh Allen is damn near
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: as good as they say he is. It's just that
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: when he's bad, he's so much worse than they say
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: he is.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: I think also, because I totally agree with everything you
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: said about why is Josh Allen being positioned here, even though,
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: like you said, Mahomes had the head-to-head and all that.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: To me.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: This felt what we've seen over the last week. And
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: the frustration also just felt like a lot of spillover
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: from the MVP stuff last year. And it like, it
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: was like kind of simmering. And I, you know, I
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: said this, I voted for Lamar. I've said my reasoning, whatever.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: I also thought it was close, but I still thought
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: Lamar deserved it. And I think people were very surprised
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: when Alan won. But because of the post-season results, there
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: wasn't like quite the blowback necessarily with Lamar and, And
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: then I think it like simmered, simmered, simmered, simmered for
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: a year. And it felt like it came back to
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: the surface in a big way. Because the thing that
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: Allen supporters have always had on Jackson is postseason, pointing
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: to the postseason. So for Allen to fall flat like
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: that in a postseason game was like an uno reverse card.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: And suddenly, you know, that didn't exist anymore. Yeah.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: And, you know, I get the frustration.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: Like I said, I think people are right when they
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: point to the way he's talked about, and I have
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: disagreed with the idea that people have put him above
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: or put him in the Mahomes tier.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: But, you know, it is impossible to.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: And nobody wants to talk about the one thing, right?
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: Like, this is.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: It is very interesting that Black quarterbacks have not.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: The idea of having a Black quarterback is no longer
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: really provocative.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: But the idea of the.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Black quarterback is still provocative, if that makes sense.
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean? We are past a point.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: I said when we did our series last year on
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: the top 25 athletes of the last 25 years that
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, I felt like, was the last black quarterback
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: to really be up against blackness when he came into
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: the league. We're talking about moving you to a different
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: position and stuff like that. I don't think that's going
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: to happen anymore. But it's so obviously the subtext of
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: what is going on here. And we knew it was
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: the subtext because of the way them Bills Mafia people
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: were about Tyrod when all he did was get him
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: to the playoffs for the first time in 19 years
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: and all they wanted to do was get him the
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: hell out of there and then lie for two years
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: about how good Josh Allen was.
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: Like the investment was so obvious in what happened.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: And like I say, my favorite thing about it, you
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: and I, we were holding out on Josh Allen. My
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: favorite thing is, thank goodness he's actually good. It's been
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: so much fun to watch. And then they make it hard.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: And I think also this isn't just a fan thing.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: Mike Sando does these great QB tiers, which they're not
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: his tiers. He's surveying executives and people around the league.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: And consistently, I have seen in these tiers, Lamar be
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: underrated relative to Allen and Burrow. And these are NFL
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: coaches and executives. This is a real thing.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: At this point, my.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: Feeling is anyone who does not acknowledge Lamar how good
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson is as a passer is not worth my time.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: I just genuinely, I'm not going to get in these
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: arguments anymore. You don't, you're, you're, you do not have
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: the ability to watch.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Football to me. I just, I just statistically film any
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: of it. I'm just not doing it with you. It
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: is funny.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: So Dominique to there's absolutely like a huge racial undertone
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: to all of this.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: And like, it is funny. I do see the.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: Registered voters, NFL players thing going around by the way.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: somebody put out all the NFL positions and who they
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: were registered to vote for.
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: I saw that.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: And they were like, this is obviously a.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: Race that you know is talking about. It's kind of
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: how I feel about this.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: I will say this.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: When people are talking about the double standards with Josh Allen,
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: it's an interesting conversation.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: It's a nuanced conversation. And people are rightfully bringing it.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson is the counterpoint.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: And I think that is the basis of this conversation.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: I see Jalen Hurts fans trying to edge their way
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: to the conversation.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Get out of here.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: They're like, well, you know, people say Jalen hurts. You know, he,
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: Josh Allen had the great offensive line.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: He's got, I'm like, we are not comparing the bills
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: and the Eagles roster. We're not doing this. We're not
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: comparing these quarterbacks. You get out of this conversation.
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: You're not helping the case.
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: You got to go back over there a little closer
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: to the median.
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: He goes, fans are getting mad at me for saying this.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: We over here at club outlier, all right?
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Like you need to go back over there with the
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: run of the mill, right?
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: And you can see it in there. They're coming out.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: They came out.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: Well, the one I saw, Jalen Hurts, people act like
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: he was so off with the playoffs, but he didn't
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: turn over the ball once.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Congratulations. Raise the banner. Zero turnover. What are we doing?
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: Stop it.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Stop it.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: God, I can't wait for the Eagles to come back
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: around next year. I cannot.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: While we're here with the Bills, though, before I let
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: you go, this is the first show that I have done.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: We were recording during the Terry Pegula press conference with
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Brandon Bean. And so, look, I think it's fair to
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: say the wild part is I don't think McDermott getting
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: fired is nearly as egregious as a lot of people do,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: especially since they've had terrible playoff defenses.
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: And that's his thing.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: And how close he was to getting shit canned in
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: the last couple of years. I think we all recall that.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: But it was the idea that none of us think
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: that roster is good enough. All of us think that
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: roster is too Josh Allen-centric. And from what we learned
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: from Tyler Dunn's series on McDermott a couple of years ago,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: that's not really a McDermott is not a guy that
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: wants to just give the ball to his quarterback and
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: go say, go make the world happen. McDermott was a
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: assistant on the 2015 Panthers. And he saw Cam Newton
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: as being the problem. Like that's, that's the kind of
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: guy that we're dealing with there. But then they promoted
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: the GM to run the whole operation. And that's where
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: people are like, Hey, okay. So I feel like I
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: watched that press conference with Terry Pagula.
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: And if you didn't see it, go check it out.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: And, I think all of us then had a certain
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: empathy for Josh Allen. At least those of us who
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: have ever worked for a moron before, because it appeared
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: that that team is being run by a moron.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: I feel like Terry Pagula saw Steve Bishotti, the Ravens owner,
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: be like very blunt and get praised for it and thought,
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: let me cook. Because the Steve Bishotti presence was legitimately
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: one of the more entertaining presence I've seen from an owner.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: And Steve Bishotti, by the way, wisely took his quarterback side. We,
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's a whole other conversation, but he chose,
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: he chose the quarterback. Uh, the, the, the craziest thing
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: about this. So I guess if you've been living under
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: rack and you missed it, the, the biggest moment that
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: is really just broken everyone. Like, I mean, I was
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: just like an incredible moment from an owner, uh, Brandon Beans.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Asked about the drafts. Terry Pagula is like, hold up.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: I got something to say.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Notable, right?
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: Because he wasn't even asked about it. He was like, no,
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: the world needs to hear me. Brandon Bean didn't want
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: Keon Coleman, a wide receiver who was still on your
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: football team. The coaching staff did. So he simultaneously throws
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: Sean McDermott under the bus, his own wide receiver, Keon Coleman,
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: and the coaching staff who by the way, is still
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: like Joe Brady's being considered for your head coaching job.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: It was one of the all time.
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: What?
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: Like, why are you talking moments from an owner that
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: I've ever seen?
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: And like, I, it's still an attractive job. You know,
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: you got Josh Allen, but like, who boy?
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: But with a player who just caught a touchdown in
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: this playoff game, by the way, who something is not
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: right there with him, obviously. And he seems to clearly
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: have struggles with self-confidence. And this ain't going to make
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: it better.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: It's also just like I've seen Bill's fans. Well, you've
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: been you guys have been criticizing Keon Coleman.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: I'm not his boss.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: Can you imagine if like the head of your company
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: was like out there crap?
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: And it's so hard. It's not like. It's so easy
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: to say nothing.
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I'll say this though.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: A big part of the Keon Coleman story and it
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: not working out. And of course, obviously I want it
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: to work out. He seems delightful, right? Like I think
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: we all had a, we want it to work out.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: The issue with Coleman is who was next in the
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: draft and who was next was lab Matt Conkey and
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Matt Conkey, Mac Conkey. I want to be very clear
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: of what I'm saying. Mac Conkey is great. He's been very,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: very good with the Chargers. And what we got here
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: is not only did you not take a player that
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: was better, you didn't take a player that we all
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: know the Mafia would have loved. He'd have been a
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: made man in 18 months.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen was throwing balls.
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: Go balls to Brandon cooks all season. Like it's not
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: just the Coleman thing. Brandon being like your entire, he,
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, has any sports radio clip aged worse than
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: Brandon being freaking out about being asked about the right
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: receiver group last season.
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: Like what?
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: And you, and immediately by the way, after this Coleman thing,
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: everybody's posting clips. Cause I guess they did some, I
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: don't know if it was hard knocks or whatever. Everybody's
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: posting clips of Brandon being talking about how bad they
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: wanted Keon Coleman.
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: So the whole thing stinks, honestly. It stinks.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: I guess if I had to give him one piece
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: of praise, Terry Pagula, most owners would have just leaked
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: that to an insider.
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: At least he said it with his chest. But it
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: still stinks. And if you're a fan, you should be
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: upset about it.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: Terry Pagula played a role in firing Sean McDermott, who
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: won five. AFC East in a row, and then they
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: went to the playoffs again this year. And also James Franklin,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: because he's the money behind Penn State football. Like, he's
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: fired a couple of pretty good coaches. That it was
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: understandable why you would fire them, but shit better work
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: on the other end.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: I don't know anything about hockey, but Sabres fans seem
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: to despise him.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: He appears to be similar to Jim Dolan, in that
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: Jim Dolan is a terrible, or has been a fairly
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: terrible owner for the Knicks, but not as bad with
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: the Rangers.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: And it seems to go kind of in the opposite
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: order on this one.
• 52:36
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: But yeah, Sabres fans seem to, it is fascinating to
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: me when that happens, where the fan bases have these
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: like divergent opinions of the same person.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: That's funny.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: I was, Alan was like that for a little bit
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: with the Blazers and Seahawks. I look, yeah, the, I don't,
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: I think firing McDermott was a great injustice for the
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: reasons you described.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: I thought the timing was very weird. And then, of course,
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: coupled with the bean promotion, it was odd.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: But the last thing I'll say on the matter is this.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: Who are you going to hire? Like, that's the other thing, right?
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: Because I think the best coaches are defensive. And I
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: don't think they're going to replace them with a defensive guy.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: I could be wrong. Offensive. I mean, there's a lot
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: of heat around Brian Dable coming back.
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's insane to me.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: Or Joe Brady being, first of all, the Brian Dable
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: thing just feels like a pure nostalgia play. Like, oh,
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: I remember when we were on the rise.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: And we were fun.
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: I remember when you guys got, you know, like, whatever, anyways.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: But there's not good offensive options out there.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, I will make this point, and I was
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: thinking about this when we talk about, like, Allen being
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: rated higher than Lamar when they do these polls or whatever.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: I would love to see those broken down by offensive
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: coaches and defensive coaches because I have always felt like
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: defensive coaches, look at them quarterbacks, like that can move
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: as a much more terrifying situation because you have to
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: think about more things. You know, Allen is a hybrid
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: of sorts in this discussion. But I always think the
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: defensive guys are the ones that are like, no, no, no,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: I can work with something there. Or you hire a
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: defensive guy and you can wind up with something like
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Tony Dungy where you make your offensive coordinator like the
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: head coach of offense.
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: And then he can just.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: Worry about, let him worry about how to hold this
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: lead that our quarterback winds up getting.
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, they just had nine years of McDermott.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: So if you go back to a defensive guy, I
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: don't feel like you're in a bad case if you
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: can go find who the right young offensive guy is.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: You know what's so interesting?
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: Because you're absolutely right about that distinction. When I talk
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: to defensive coaches, they really hate mobile quarterbacks. But then
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: when I talk to defensive players, they really hate pocket passers.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: I find that so interesting. It might be more of
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: like a like, the defensive coordinator is like, I can.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Plan for this. I can't plan for that.
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: Whereas the players like the perfect pass is just going
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: to kill, you know, but I always found that really interesting.
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: It was why like when Harbaugh lost his job, I
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: mentioned Flores because Flores had the Brian Flores in Minnesota
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: had all those quotes talking about how like unbelievable Lamar
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: Jackson was, but he's obviously not alone in that sentiment.
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: By the way, I just like to make it clear
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: to everybody.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: The league is telling us this year, that Brian Flores
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: is going to be the head coach of the defense
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: for the rest of his career in the NFL.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: They gave him an attention, right?
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: They did.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: I saw that.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: They did. You know what he's going to be?
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: He's going to be a Rooney Rule all-star. He's going
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: to get all these frequent flyer miles jumping on planes
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: for in-person interviews so they could do this. Can I
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: say something on that right fast? Because I normally do
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: a long Rooney Rule thing, but I haven't done it,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: so I'm going to do this with you here. Just
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: something to bring up. And I saw somebody, I think
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: it was Albert Breer, and I don't want to I
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: probably shouldn't even say that because I don't want to
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: single him out because it's unfair because he's not the
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: only person who does this. But when people report that
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: a team has interviewed the two guys and then they
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: say they have satisfied the requirement and now they are
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: free to interview who they so choose, you're doing a
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: disservice to the whole process when you do that because
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: what you're saying is you're treating interviewing black candidates simply
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: as an obligation and not even entertaining the possibility that
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: maybe just maybe these are qualified people, right? Or maybe
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: just maybe this is what a team actually wants to do. Now,
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: do the teams deserve the benefit of the doubt?
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: Not necessarily.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: But, like, continuing to say it as though this is
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: just some nuisance that you got to deal with before
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: you actually start looking for a coach, that's bad business
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: for everybody.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I.
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: I've been so like beaten down on this topic, right? Like,
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: I feel like I used to, I used to be
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: more like pointing out the obvious, you know, like when
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: teams are skirting it and whatnot.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: I think the rule itself just appears to be so
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: fundamentally broken now in terms, and also the way it's
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: reported and discussed that it's like, I can't even like, I, right. Like,
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: What am I going to say? Well, they skirted it.
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: Well, if they were never going to hire him in
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: the first place, am I really going to be outraged
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: that they didn't do the interviews and such? It feels
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: like it's not doing its job anymore, but I don't.
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: Think people are.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my thing is the rule isn't the problem. The
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: problem is these people. And we need to keep staying
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: on the necks of these people. They're the ones that's coming.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: If the people weren't a problem, we wouldn't have no rule.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: You get rid of the rule, we still going to
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: have the same people be the same problem. And look,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: who knows? All this forcing you to interview these people
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: and maybe just maybe you might find a good coach.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: Nobody wins more from the Rooney Rule than the teams.
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: I think each owner should do pressers more, though, because
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: it's good for the public to see what we're dealing with.
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: But hey, we got Mina Combs here. Check her out
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: on the Mina Combs show with Lenny and all over
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: various ESPN properties.
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: I appreciate you, ma'am.
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: It's good to see you, bud. Sorry I won't see
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: you in San Francisco.
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: Likewise.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: Next time you get around here, I talk about this
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: with Dominique, the problem with living in New York is
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: everybody got like a 20-person list.
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: In New York.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: You get your one a year when somebody comes to
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: New York all the time.
• 58:13
  Speaker 5: All right, Bo, three quick questions sponsored by FanDuel. We
• 58:16
  Speaker 5: got three massive NBA games this weekend. New York Knicks
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: taking on the Philadelphia 76ers. Knicks have been in free-for-all recently,
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: losing 11 of their last 14 games. What do you
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: make of what's going on with the Knicks?
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: I think the most interesting thing with the Knicks is
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: now we're getting the reports of, I don't know my role.
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: I don't know if I like playing for Mike Brown.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: And all of us was out here campaigning for their
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: legs when they were playing with Tibbs, right? Like, no,
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: somebody needs to look out for you. And they were like,
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know. We kind of like playing a zillion minutes.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: And now this has happened. Bottom line is what is
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: happening with them. And I don't know if it's fair
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: to the protagonist in the point I'm about to make,
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: but I told y'all that eventually y'all was going to
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: get tired of the Carl Towns experience. And he is
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: wildly talented. And you soak that up in the first
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: year and then everything you don't like about him, you
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: notice that in the second year. And that seems to
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: be what's happening here. I also think that even with
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: that free fall, they can still win the East when
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: it's all said and done.
• 59:12
  Speaker 5: Right. I mean, the ultimate listen to me now, believe
• 59:15
  Speaker 5: me later on is the Carl Anthony Townsend.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And I know how it went.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: But I mean, I think what really makes it bad
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: for the Knicks this year is the fact that the
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: Celtics don't have Jason Tatum and somehow are still second
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: in the East.
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: Like you looked around and you said to yourself, if
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: you're the Knicks, there's nothing to stop us this year.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: And the Celtics are like, y'all still ain't even better
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: than us. Right.
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: All right. After that, we got Golden State taking on Minnesota. Obviously,
• 59:39
  Speaker 5: Jimmy Butler went down earlier this week with a torn ACL.
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: He's going to miss the rest of the season. What
• 59:43
  Speaker 5: should the Warriors do with another season looks like in
• 59:47
  Speaker 5: the tubes?
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, it looks like their plan is to keep
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: Jimmy and hope that he comes off the injury next
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: year around this time and gives them a jolt similar
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: to the jolt that they got when they traded for
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: Jimmy right at the trade deadline. That seems to be
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: an ambitious ask of a guy his age coming off
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: an injury like this and somebody who's been physically slowing down. But, Ryan,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen this, man. They are
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: so much better when he's on the court than without. Like,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: I think he has their best on-off plus-minus numbers on
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: the whole roster. Like, he is the great player that people,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: for some reason, don't want to truly acknowledge his greatness
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: and the impact that he has on the roster that
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: he's been on. But if that's the plan, then I
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: don't know what they're supposed to do other than just
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: try to have a good time this year. Right.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 5: I mean, Steph is still performing at a high level,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 5: even at his advanced age. but I mean, it's, it's
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 5: almost turning into like Kobe's last few seasons, the Lakers. Yeah.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: Well, well, nothing will be that bad because you've heard
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: of these other guys that are on this team and
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: he's got so much more left than, uh, than Kobe
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: does at this point. But this, it's been a really
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: interesting four years since that last championship and that championship
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: they won was kind of a, somebody has to win
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: it this year.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: Um, we're learning a lot about Steph Curry and his
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: capacity for loyalty. Cause just about everybody else would ask
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: to bail on this. And I, by the way, I
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: think him not bailing is the right decision.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: But I think most people would have bailed.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 5: For sure. And finally, the Lakers are taking on the Mavericks.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: Lakers have been up and down over the last month.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 5: Ron starting to run in the form. Do you believe
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 5: in the Lakers and the reason and their championship aspirations?
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, absolutely not. Your three best players can't guard anybody.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: Their record is 26 and 16. They are fifth in
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: the West and their point differential is negative, which is
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: to say they have given up more points than they
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: have scored. They, I mean, their record is not in
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: line with what the actual point results have been.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: I believe that this is going to go down.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: And then from there, how well JJ Redick holds it
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: together for this team and how well he holds it
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: together for JJ Redick.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: Like this is going to be a lot, man.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: Like they've, I've never seen a team that was expected
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: to be any good who gets a less defense from
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: the centerpieces of the roster.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: Never seen anything like, right.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, we have another trade down only coming
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 5: in less than two weeks, which we're about due for
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 5: a passive aggressive LeBron texture, you know, tweet about that time.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Hey, look, man, I'll take that over his air sniper
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: shoes that I can't believe he thought that was a
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: good idea.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: I can't believe it. We'll talk to you guys in
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: a couple of days. Take it easy.