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because we are here to discuss a little movie that is dropping very soon.
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I'm not sure exactly when May tenth this weekend, or maybe it's already happened
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by the time you hear this. Kingdom of the Planet of the Eighth,
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the fourth and the recent reboot revival of the Planet of the Apes franchise,
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which is now going on, you know, over a decade old, because
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it's you know, the fourth of these films, the rest of approaching twenty
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approaching twenty Wow, Jesus, I remember, because I didn't keep the all
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when it started. I remember, I went to my homie shout with my
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brother Anthony. I went to his period. We smoked out, sat there
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and watching on the couch, and I will never forget when that nigga sees
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it first, was like I jumped up off this nigga's couch and was like,
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Nigga, rewind that that niggas because I wasn't sure. You know,
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I'm a big fan of the original series, but I didn't know, you
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know, if Sezy was going to talk in them new movies. You know,
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I didn't know what was going to happen. And so when that nigga
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said no in started talking Nigga, I lost it, Like, oh,
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he's incredible, but yeah, we're on the fourth one. This is directed
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by a new director now or what's this test name again? This is west
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Ball west Ball shout out to west Ball balling up in here and west Ball
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is the director of the new one, which takes place. It's still in
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the same timeline as the last three. Somehow, some way takes place.
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I guess as it subscribed generations later. I've heard hundreds of years. I
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don't know exactly what. Yeah, I'm gonna assume hundreds because it had generations.
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Yeah, it has to be, especially due to a lot of ineptitude
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on the part of these apes in this one. So I would have to
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say it has to be undred years later for these niggas to be when they
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forgot everything, what the word meant, what Jesus word the strap? Just
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get fresh. They forgot the first law which was never mentioned, get the
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strap, which was keep your pistol on you at all times, all times.
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Did you not see the cover of Dawn of the Planet of the Apes,
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the cover of War of the Planet of the Apes. He has the
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stick always always in this film. Unfortunately, there's a distinct lap of Ape
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with sticks. Well, look, we gotta start positive, right, Like
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we both put like a little teaser on Twitter just about what we of the
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overall great things that we thought about Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes.
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Yes, what was that been? I mean cgi, I will say that
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off top. Yes, Like I was sitting in the theater. I got
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the people advanced screening. Obviously we both keep the vand screenings. I was
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in the theater and right away when I think one of the first shots when
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it focused on Noah's face, one of the main Ape characters, I'm sitting
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there like holy shit, yeah, like his expression that their everything. It
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was like what Lion King the new ones with the you know, photo realistic,
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I mean photo realistic. I'm using quote fingers for those who are just
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listening. I'm gonna say that's a bad example because you didn't let me finish
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it, because that's my point. I was about to say what the lion
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king should be. And it's like, it's like these niggas is eights,
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you know, but they are all yeah, they're emoting, and it's I
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get it. It's much more difficult with a lion, you know, versus
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an eight. The lion's talking. Yeah, so you can, you can,
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you can suspend the disbelief of But it's also an ape's face is closer
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to humans, so when they smiles, like a lion's smiling is terrifying,
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you know, apes smiling is closer to humans, so it's not it's terrifying,
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you know what I mean. No, there's no case where a lion's
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mouth and it's not horrific. They could make it work. They could make
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it work. They made the lion wish and a wardrobe. I feel like
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that c g I lion. He never smiled. He was chuckling. Jesus
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and I will find you and I will kill you. Was chuckling because he
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was the voice of that lion. I believe he was the voice wasn't he
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I will when I find you? And Liam Neeson was a fucking lion and
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lion war Jobe was he not? One of my favorite battle rap lines,
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Okay, one of my favorite battle of recent memory is uh a rapper said,
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I wish the Nigga would like Liam Neeson. Uh. Yes, back
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to the hu are right? And I know it is impecable the way that
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these monkeys, chimps, gorillas or ringutans, the whole eight family, how
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they have them in and it's it is a holy shit moment, especially because
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in the beginning of Mindscreen, they actually gave it like a maybe a two
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three minute short where it talks about the technology behind the molcap and it literally
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did it where you would they would show you the final image and then they
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would do a horizontal white to see the characters the actors with the dots on
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their face and talk on them and the points, the facial points in the
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construction and how they matched that to the visual effect of the actual ape or
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whatever like they went in. And then not only that, from from the
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each characterization point, from the environmental design and the expansiveness of the sets.
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Right, I don't even know what I should call it sets this but Expanson
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for the environments that the apes were in in every scene was beautiful. It
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actually was sitting there really wondering how much of it was sets and how much
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of it was CGI. Who had to be CGI? There ain't nothing.
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I mean, I'm sure there were they made. I just I could be
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I'm sure I'm wrong, But I felt like this is one of the things
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where it may be majority C CGI, but you don't feel that it's CGI.
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It just feels tangible and that's it. And also CGI has come such
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a long ways from ten years ago, fifteen years ago, the beginning of
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all of this. So it just and I will say planting the apes generally,
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even even the previous films from Franco's time and onwards, it looked good,
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like the the apes actually did look good. And even all the movements
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and even when they were coming, like when they were congregating on Moss,
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it looked good. And again they this is just another level of superior visual
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effects. And I really love being able to watch how you see the world
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being reclaimed, nature reclaiming what was the modern times. Like you, it's
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very clear that you see where they are like once like there's a few scenes
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where they're in like they're in there's one where they're in a they're in an
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air and they're in you know, they're in different spaces. You know,
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they're they're in a they're in a giant container ship, like they're they're in
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all these different places. But then once they back up, like literally like
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it's like they take a drone and backup so you can see the whole scene,
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You're like, oh, that's where they are. Oh that's what that
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used to be hundreds of years ago or whatever like that. So I thought,
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from Flora and fauna to the actual animals themselves, they did a fantastic
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job. And then the acting because because again this is mocap, so it's
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it's directly mapping the c d CGI imagery onto actual human faces that have movement
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and give and you know, everything that you could think of in between.
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And to see that translated really really well, I appreciated that. Yeah,
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I want to give a big special shout out to sorry to Kevin Durand,
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who plays Proximus Caesar. I thought Kevin Durand, who if you know his
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face, Kevin Durand is always a villain, probably been in some of y'all
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nightmares point or another, because this man has got a terrifying face and he's
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a terrifying actor. Sorry, broh, you know, like there's a reason
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why you get cast in these role My man's face is quite terrified. What
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was he in recently that was terrifying? I can't remember. Apparently I didn't
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see I ain't seen Abigail yet final Swamp Thing TV series in twenty nineteen.
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He was Jason. No, no, it was something else. For his
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linga was super terrifying. But I can't oh Lost. He was definitely un
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lost. There it is, Yes, I knew it. Yeah, he
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was terrifying on Lost. So yeah, my man, Kevin Durant was great.
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I'm definitely a bit shout out to him. Peter Macon playing Roka the
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Magical Negro Ape. You know, fantastic as the magical Negro Sorry. Eco
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Darville also played another one of the evil Apes. Pretty fantastic as the evil
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Gorilla. I gotta say right here, you know, I did fully enjoy
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the acting. The acting. The acting was a point shout out to Freya
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Allen. I was like, why she looks so familiar? That's theory from
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the Witcher. I was just like, Aha, she's a really good actor
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as well, and the actress as well, just in terms of how she
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could emote express with just her eyes without saying much all that stuff. So
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yeah, definitely yeah, And she plays May, who is the main human
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in this film. We'll talk about her role and the complicated role plays in
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this film in a second, but now we get to some of my issues,
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because I definitely love the acting as well, but right here we have
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wanted issues. And this is something that the original Apes film played with very
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well, and that's the concept of race. And once again I'm using quotation
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marks because for long term listeners of The Fall Nerds Show, y'all know,
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I feel about race that it's an illusion creator by toss of whiteness. And
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at one point we were all just humans and then you know, talks of
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whiteness comes along and it's like, no, y'all got to be black,
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y'all gotta be this so we can separate the people and you know, rule
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over it because we're the main minority and so we got to make everybody else
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into own minority. Long story short, but the original Plane Davis film plays
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with us very well. Because it's like it is basically an allegory or a
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metaphor about race, you know, and the Apes are representative of black people
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who are finally taken back over. And it's the white fear that when black
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people take over the Apes, will you know, subjugate them, and et
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cetera, et cetera the apes, sorry, you know what I mean,
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like that black people will subjugate them, you know. And then but in
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the film, you know, they're portrayed by the apes seregated white people,
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right, So that's the you know, whole fear. And I've played with
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et cetera ever since then. It's kind of been mixed bag of things.
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And this is a very mix bad because we have our three main heroes O
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and TG, Travis Jeffrey and Lydia Peckman playing Noah and Nya and not here
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that one and so very Africanish names for me, I know, and Naya
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I mean I got relatives, you know, and they're all white, you
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know. And then Peter Macon playing the magical Negro smart Ape it is black.
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Ika Darvil playing the big Gorilla ass eight is a black man. You
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know what. The funny part about all these planet of the eight films again
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of the two thousands of the mid two thousands dollars is that I always like,
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it's like a running joke, but I feel like it's still there.
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They're like, why are all the dark skin apes, even the bad guys?
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And then like Raka the Rangutane like because they had Maurice was the original
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rangutan in the first one, so they have Raka another Rangutan show. It's
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like, yo, this movie is It's like, it's like making like this
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series has created its own cliches and it's already falling into them. It's not,
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but they speak to I will say there was a couple times where they
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even spoke to their own cliches and made fun of themselves. I was like,
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all right, but y'all still doing it. Yeah, and yeah,
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it's like the big black ass gorilla is the villain or one of the main
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villains. And then again with this whole thing, at one point, May
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encounters a herd of white people lularious literally literally, I mean they called them
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a herd. But once again, in this future, whatever time we were
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in, the only humans we see in this film up until the varying semi
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spoiler alert, Yeah, you know you should avoid it. Oh it's white
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people. You know. It's like that's all we see is white people and
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white people with dreads and shit. And it's just wild to me because it's
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like there's you know, negroes playing apes, but you can't have no mixed
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people in the people. You know, who survived the apes is just white
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people survive in the future in the wilderness by themselves. When does that ever
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happened historically? Series? Why black people aren't in space in the future?
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You know, we just gotta wipe that out. I guess I was actually
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reading this book by Anieth damn it, I cannot pronounce her last name to
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look it up. But they're actually talking about how they were watching Blade Run
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on twenty forty nine and there's like three black people in it. I dislike
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Blade Run on twenty forty nine famously for a lot of other reasons. You
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know. I think one of our listeners on YouTube wants comment to them that
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you didn't like Blade Run. No, I didn't like that shit. They
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ain't no black people in their future. Why would I like this movie?
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And again in this film, they're bare needy black people in the future.
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Why would I like this up until the very end when spoilers you know,
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some other MOLTI it's like the multicultural you know, world of evil human evil
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humanity, tull he shows up. It was like Zion from the Matrix.
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Everybody in that viage. And then that's another we'll get to I mean,
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we'll get to that right now, because that's my main point is that you
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know, there's mainly white humans in this film up until the very end,
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and when it's like you said, Zion from the Matrix and all the evil,
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I guess man of each shows up. My other things this film is
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this It felt like a lot of other movies, a lot of Avatar,
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a lot of Matrix. My man is the main character's name Noah Neo,
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like Noah Neo Neo, And I thought it was spelled like Noah, like
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Noah's ark. No, it's spelled in no way. Yeah, but it's
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supposed to also make you feel about Noah, you know, like the character,
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you know, and the great Biblical effects people and yeah, white white
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eight leaders people, I mean white person playing they you know, they was
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just a chump, brownish you know. But yeah, then you know what's
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interesting about this franchise and again when I talk about the franchise, I'm talking
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about mid two thousands on up so starting at twenty eleven, the Rupid Wyatt
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directed film Rise to the Planes. When I think about the franchise, it's
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just like that first one with Franco like was lydty, Like I was never
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intepenity apes a lot of people fucking wasn't. But then this came out.
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It was like, holy shit, like it was just and even if you
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were a fan, it was just moments about it where it really shocked you.
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And again that was because the visual effects were so good and it was
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just something that you hadn't seen for some people in a long time. For
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other people like me, never right, you ain't never seen no shit like
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that. You made a point about the fact that you're sitting there watching it
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with your homeboy and Caesar starts fucking he yells out no, and that scared
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the shit out, you know what I'm saying. It's just like it's just
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not expected. Now fast forward, you get these series of movies where it's
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right, where things are happening. It's like great and like even the most
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recent one, but Whatiy Harlson, like I said, wasn't that the one
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whaty Howson was was was the torture niggas and shit like that, like where
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it goes dark and it's like it really some serious shit happening. But then
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at that point it's like you've kind of seen it all right, Yeah,
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and now this film is almost it's still within the franchise, but almost another
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reset for twenty twenty four. Yes, it's a reset for the next generation
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of people who are going to be coming up watching Planet the Eights, but
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it is repeating. I hate that. I hate that you that that is
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even a phrase that can be said and it's accepted. I hate that you
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can say for the next generation of people coming up watching Planet of the Ages
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because it's like we're in this weird time now where that's accepted, like,
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oh, we gotta have a next generation of people watching this ship. Nigga,
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I grew up on shit. I don't want y'all watching the shit I
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grew up on, you know what I mean? Like, why are you
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just a gatekeep? Why? No? Because it's like, if you want
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to watch THEMN shits, I want y'all to make I want niggas to make
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new shit, just like I don't know what shit makes money. I know,
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I know, and that's the problem. And it's like, that's why
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we have Ghostbusters whatever, you know, which I did not bother to see,
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you know, and that's why we have this joint, which I really
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you know, I saw all. I was hoping that this joint would be
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different, you know what I mean, Like I was just hoping, but
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like you said, it felt really like and not to to restart this.
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Like if I was going to give a two centers review of Kingdom uner the
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Planet Apes, I feel like it's a film that is a two not even
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a film, I say, I feel like it's a two hour commercial for
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a movie for a sequel that it doesn't deserve. That it doesn't, you
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know, that would be my two centers review of it, because so much
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of this film is leading up to what will happen in the next one,
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I guess. But it's nothing that I gave a shit about. I don't.
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I barely care about Noah. I cared about Season, you know,
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I cared about you have more time with him. But even from the first
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movie, even from the first jump, I cared about him. I don't
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really care about Noah because to me, he feels like a fakeass season.
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He's like, he's like Season Junior. You know, it's like and I
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think it's because they're they're forcing the fact that he's supposed to be Season JR.
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Yeah, and then that he's nowhere. And then there's problems with the
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script. Like I talked about this with talkdam So here are some of the
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things, like Noah has father issues. Oh wow, you know, like
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every other Hero Journey character, he got daddy issues right, And then I
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mean, this ain't a spoiler. His daddy is eliminated fifteen seconds into the
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movie and then it's like it's never really referenced again. Why so you never
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even know why this nigga has for daddy issues. He just does. And
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there's other like another ape that he seems to have an issue with early on
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in the film. He definitely has history with this ape is eliminated. We
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never learned about that. So it's just things like I don't give a shit
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about Noah because we're never were given a reason to give a shit about Noah.
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So that's you know, one issue, but then the other issues,
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like I said, because it's leading the things that might happen the second film.
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It's also leading the things that we've already seen. We've already seen it.
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It was resh yeah, like it's no, what's the one? Yeah?
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Damn, see that's how not returned, but the one where it was
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literally a rehash of the all over again. Oh damn, that's said.
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I I still remember the last Jedi's name, you know, that was the
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one for me. Damn what was that ship called? Yeah? I remember
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the damn remember I know, I know you're talking about Ray and them.
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Damn, I remember the Last Jedi, and I remember Revenge of of the
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Awakens. The Force awakens, Damn, the Force, and I was thinking
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the last Jed I, which is why I said return But no, it
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was the one, wasn't the Force Awakens with the one where it was like
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a repash of the whole saga all over again. Yeah, And I enjoyed
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it. This not so much because this wasn't the whole saga. This was,
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like I said, a commercial for the saga, because we we've already
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seen this saga. We've already seen. No like no, lie, I
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mean no spoilers, sorry, bit spoilers. This move is leading to yet
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another war between humans and apes, with the big I guess newer conflict being
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at Noah and what's her name? And Surety know each other. It's a
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new generation of apes. But my thing is season new James. When James,
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you know how to go out and you told I mean everything's there's there's
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lots of rehash on me up to it, and I know that symbol will
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live forever, the window, you know, Caesar's window, that symbol.
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You know. There's a few things for me when it came to this,
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I just don't understand the rules of this universe. I unders I understand this
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has been as they say, generations and generations later, which you can assume
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it meant hundreds of years later. It could be it could be fucking anything.
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It's a long period of time generation And that's what I'm saying. When
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how often new apes to have babies and how many how old is fucking RockA?
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But I thought there's more humanoids so like like they live for like I'm
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not gonna say ninety years. But I don't fucking know, Like I mean,
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Raka seemed to know Caesar personally like he knew Jesus well. He was
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acting like that, like for example, in real life they said gorillas live
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up to like forty years, right, what about rutans? The niggas look
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old as ship, so I need to know the live forty years, ain't
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No, Wait in Roca some fifty if they're what about chimps, they to
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be chimps. Chimps live how old chimps live fifty to sixty years? So
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so Caesar could have been an old ass nigga, and Rocca could have been
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young and met the nigga. So possibly that could be why he's such as
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zion you know, scientist end or whatever. I don't know, but as
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I mentioned, I don't understand what scientists Jesus, I'm not gonna say that.
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I'm sorry, now, you can't. I mean, you know it's
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fact. I mean, you know he does want the establishment of the nation
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back again, doesn't he like he wants No, no, no, no,
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I'm not gonna call him that. I'm gonna call it. We're gonna
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gonna know. I mean, the real Zionists in this film is yeah,
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the real science is yeah. So you leave it in yeah. Yeah.
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But but no, like he's just a he's just a what's the people who
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are just very firmly followers and like I'm staying definitely yes, but you ain't
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never heard this Nigga the off score, Nigga rock listen the rules of this
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universe. As I said, we know like Drake one, it's been a
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lot of time. But you have people like apes like Rakka, who I
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don't know if he's the only one left or this other there was others like
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him who are and Nigga's definitely the only one left. The other Nigga got
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killed above ground, still spreading the gospel or what he believes to be the
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true Testament, the Old Testament of Caesar, right. And then you have
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people like Noah his people, apes like no his clan, who they know
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about Caesar to a degree, right, but they seem to be on their
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own path. Right. But at the end of the day, Caesar's legacy
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lives on because these apes can talk, right, These apes are elevated,
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you know, mentality, all the other stuff. Yes, why can't they
25:45
read? All? Right? Does Caesar ever know how to read? Knew
25:52
how to read? I don't think so if if I'm Armara, but they
25:56
ain't, no fucking way. He was in the lab with Franco. He
26:00
Yeah, you're right that other nigga was writing, No, they knew how
26:03
to read. That nigga was right, and and I was just. And
26:07
again you can say, well, maybe it's different for different plans who are
26:10
at further further parts of the of the land. And plan is illiterate.
26:15
Eagle plan is on their own right, what you're saying like that, no
26:21
one's plan is on a on another part of another part of town. I
26:23
get it town, but it seems to But then they they expressed, even
26:36
from proximists everybody else, they expressed that none of these niggas knew how to
26:40
read. And I'm like, wait a minute, y'all had generations of stand
26:45
rakas running around reading, you know, talking about the books and stuff.
26:48
I don't even know RockA care read, but he was. He was like
26:51
these mean ship you know what I'm saying Like, I didn't understand, Like
26:56
it was just certain And that's why I said it on the Center rules.
26:59
It just felt like certain pieces of knowledge. I understand shicks lost over time.
27:02
That's plid, but it's just certain things that got lost in other things
27:07
that didn't. For example, they're in a clearing and that you said the
27:11
herd of humans and they looking and they see animals and rocking in them is
27:17
like, holy shit, what is that black and white looking thing? Right?
27:21
Don't know that it's a zebra? Don't know what it is, yep,
27:23
but he knows it, says he knows, and says it has stripes.
27:29
Now now, now that in the theater was my moment. Now there's
27:33
no it's a it's a minor it bit, but it's also one of those
27:37
things. And there was there was something before that. The apes were saying
27:40
a few things where I was like, Okay, I have to just imagine
27:42
in my head. I sat imagine that they're not speaking English, that they're
27:45
speaking eight. They just you know, nobody speaking English because humans understand them.
27:49
So it's English or whatever language is being spoken at that. Yeah,
27:53
there we go. That's what I'm saying, that it's whatever language is being
27:56
spoken, but the humans understand it. So humans in America the humans speaking
28:03
this language too, because I had to go with this because I know,
28:06
but they say ship and other things to where it really made it weird.
28:08
So they're obviously speaking English. Fuck it. The nigga, I don't know,
28:12
it's one of the there's a famous moment from Lord of the Rings from
28:17
the Lord of the Rings movies with Peter Jackson from One of the Orc says,
28:21
it looks like me back on my menu. Boys and people famously are
28:26
like, how the fuck does he know what the menu is? It's like
28:30
the same thing, And yes, this is minor nippick. This doesn't suspend
28:36
belief from me, Like, it's like, okay, whatever, hious to
28:38
me. I thought it was funny, yeah, you know stripes. But
28:42
then but then yeah, as we said, this is a descendant of that
28:48
film, the last two fucking films where they had sticks and pistols every motherfucking
28:53
were I understand that, hey, this thing falls in disarray, you may
28:59
lose access. None of them niggas knew nothing about guns, none of them
29:03
the no okay, Now that is even more believable than the books, because
29:08
guns, gunpowdered, deteriorates pretty quickly, et cetera, et cetera. So
29:11
that ship is going to fall apart very quickly if not well maintained. They
29:15
would have no knowledge. There's no stories of Caesar fucking going down the block
29:21
with the gat every fucking day. There's no stories about that. I mean,
29:23
I would think there would be, but they would not have the gap.
29:26
You know, that's the problem, having the gag. Even if they
29:30
did have a gap, it would be useless. And this is why I
29:33
think, Okay, like you said, no, but I was like,
29:34
yeah, everything's fucking reset all over again. Niggas got everything. Yeah besides,
29:41
but but it's like how people how a lot of people like read like
29:45
religious texts, and they just take what they want to know and love everything
29:48
else, cast everything else aside. Well, I want to believe that Caesar
29:52
told me to stand up for apes and fuck everything else, right, But
29:56
it's like, but what about all that other shit? He said, Yeah,
30:00
what happened to the rest of that? And then you see, they
30:02
do have certain tech that would stay in the testa time, like cattle prods
30:07
another case in pointing out now that you need to read to be able to
30:08
do that, you know, And and and obviously they clearly got help some
30:12
you know, y'all see they got help. But how was they, like,
30:17
Noah fixed it? How was he able to do that without having did
30:19
he have an understanding of electricity and how that work? And no, no,
30:22
but he had an understanding the wireing. He did Okay, how I
30:26
mean, you know the look a wire is broken. You see that you
30:33
stick them holes together and the shark comes. You know, you're like,
30:34
okay that word, the shot comes when I slipped the Okay, this works.
30:37
When I put you know, the the plus and the minus, it
30:41
works. Okay. So it's just a matter of trial and error. Yeah,
30:42
taling air for that one, That's what I'm saying. Just like when
30:45
they got the gat, you know, trialing air, pull the trigger and
30:48
the gap work. You know, like they figure that shit out quick.
30:51
Like my man did not know what the gap was when you know, when
30:55
when you know, when the gag got let off, when the strap finally
30:56
got got in this movie, niggas did not know what it was, but
31:00
they immediately figured it out. It's like, yo, if I point that
31:06
shit in somebody and do whatever you did with it, niggas lay down that
31:11
track. And that's what I said, Internet, pick nothing nothing. Here's
31:17
where we leave the minair station and go to Major. Proximus essentially has a
31:26
human, older white male essentially as his captives. He has his nigga essentially
31:34
reading him bedtime stories all day every day, but never It doesn't feel like
31:40
he's really teaching him shit. M hm. And granted you could say,
31:42
well, you know, he's a human. He could just lie to him
31:45
and say whatever the fuck. Mm hmmm. The white man ain't helping the
31:52
white The white man ain't reading the book that talks about the guns. They
31:56
have these books in there they talk helping. It doesn't like you could read
32:01
all the books you wanted on how to do everything with guns unless you have
32:07
a smithy factory, et cetera. You're not a man that was teaching him,
32:09
like reading him shit about warfare. And again they would talk about Roman
32:13
stuff, but reading him about warfare and things like that. There was not
32:15
at one point where he even described a gun to him. But see,
32:21
okay, I'm beyond that. No, Posthumus knew about gas. He just
32:24
didn't have surprises. No, he was surprised that Shorty had I mean,
32:30
you know someone had fun Shorty, surprise that she had it, or you
32:34
surprised that he But he know before he ain't seen it working. He didn't
32:38
know what it was. No, he knew he was doing in the vault
32:43
to get the gas. Pops Simus was about it was fifty cent strap pros
32:47
Simus was trying to get the strap, but he just never had his hands
32:52
on a working strap. He probably had mad straps and didn't work, so
32:55
that nigga was surprised when he finally saw one that work. You know what
32:59
I mean? Maybe do you remember like you ain't never seen the gap,
33:02
so when you see a nigga laid out and you're still gonna be surprised the
33:06
niggas standing over there and then the nigga laid down over there like you like
33:09
yo. But to your point, this nigga never talked about bowing arrows.
33:15
I mean they had sleing shots them, Little Eagle plan had sleing shots them.
33:20
Niggas ain't f no bowing arrows, no costs, bows, no blista,
33:24
battlest I don't know you pronounce it. It's some giant as, the
33:28
big things that murdering like fifty arrow. Yeah, I mean that's heavy artillery.
33:32
Who knows an arrow? Bow and arrow? Well the ballista you were
33:37
talking about, yeah, I mean that's heavy. I'm talking about bowing arrow
33:40
Yeah, listen, I don't fucking know. Okay, maybe the different clans
33:44
up in the mountains has that right. The Jabbari clan in them got that
33:47
I don't fucking know. Okay, well what I'm saying it was just confusing,
33:52
like what was the They didn't feel like there was the rules and my
33:53
things. I understand this is and that's why might this has to be a
33:57
hard not a hard reset, but a soft reset, because it's like they
34:00
picked into certain aspects that happened in the past and say, Okay, this
34:04
is still true and everything else niggas don't know shit. Yeah, And I
34:07
mean it had it had to be because they want to get back to a
34:09
war again, I guess, and it's like we've already seen that, so
34:14
you can't have that, you know, just keep going. So they had
34:16
to do a reset, like you know, hundreds of years later. And
34:20
like you said, new Generation. Yeah, I will say this film the
34:24
good and you and I just having long dialogue about it because we have so
34:28
many questions, you know, and the things about like how we weren't even
34:30
sure if we really liked any of the characters and or just annoyed. I
34:36
was annoyed by a lot of the people the characters. Uh, I love
34:43
to fear well, damn I want to. I don't want to spoil my
34:49
favorite moment, but my second favorite moment. Both of them did involve May.
34:53
My second favorite moment involving May was watching her ass getting netted up by
35:00
an ape on horse when she got caught up in that network With second,
35:04
I fucking fell out about seat laughing. I mean, this film is deeply
35:07
about betrayal and and trust and and and being you know, mistrusted, and
35:15
what happens when you trust people you ain't supposed to drugs and this and that,
35:17
and you know, it's a lot of that. So there's a lot
35:20
of good good am I saying good dialogue. I mean, you can have
35:22
conversations about it, Like I know, people will come out of this saying
35:24
yo, I couldn't stand man, and the other people was like, well,
35:27
she had some good points because if you look at it from the size
35:30
of a human, she's going to do what she needs to do for humanity,
35:34
right, And if that means no, I'm not gonna say, I'm
35:38
not gonna spoil it for that, you got it. Take the L.
35:42
She's gonna make sure you take the L is very white. It doesn't matter
35:45
what you did for her, You're gonna take the L is very white.
35:49
Yes, yeah, very white, very much white. And I my problem
35:53
is I agreed with Pops from this more than any other character. You did
36:00
him in the idea of Slaven and like that. I mean, you know
36:04
it should happens. You know, it's it's a rough world. You know,
36:07
somebody got to run it, you know, God nigga anyway, but
36:12
his main point of you know that, that's beside the point. You know,
36:15
Look, he has some good ideas. You know, not all of
36:17
them were right. He's not Magneto is right available now for on Earth's like
36:22
what he is is, you know, have some good ideas like humanity.
36:27
Whenever there's more than three of these white people, you gotta, you know,
36:30
make sure you gotta watch them. Yeah, and you know, and
36:34
I will like I will take I will lower the the importance of Like I
36:38
said, all those rules that didn't make sense to me, or the different
36:42
approaches didn't make it. I was like, okay, fine, Minor.
36:44
The things that messed up my enjoyment of the film that actually impacted my enjoyment
36:50
of the film were the pacing. Oh yeah, and the forces and the
36:57
forced emotional con So the pace. It's a two and a half hour long
37:00
movie, and you will got and you guys will see some critics say,
37:02
oh, the time flew by. It did not for me, it it
37:07
was. It's logged at many different points, like honestly, I was just
37:12
waiting to get to the next action scene, and even action it's locked.
37:15
And the problem is because the visual effects are so beautiful, they want you
37:19
to sit and contemplate when when Noah's thinking about a fucking banana, they want
37:24
you to see the pupils of his eyes dilate. They want you to see
37:29
the thought train go from station A to station B and how he feels and
37:32
his nostrils flare and the hair stand up. From a visual effects perspective,
37:37
that's fantastic to watch, But I don't want to see it every single scene,
37:42
Like they force you to sit there, and really they they force you
37:47
to to make sure you're connecting with every visual component avatar in that regard,
37:55
and about the avatar, the big blue Nigga trying to give that Pandora when
38:00
I'm trying to get on the story, like after the ten time are you
38:05
doing that? I'm like, okay, guys, I understand. His hair
38:07
blows in the southeast wind with the hint of jasmine heard, could we get
38:14
going? Can we continue the story? So there were a lot for me,
38:15
there were a lot of random slower moments that just slowed down the progress
38:21
and I'm like, come on, like, let's get to the let's get
38:23
to the next part, even though I knew what the next part was gonna
38:25
be. That's sad. And then, as I said, there were forced
38:29
emotional moments where you were really supposed to connect and you're supposed to be like,
38:34
man, this is sad. Where there times where I was just like,
38:37
you know, concerned, yes, but where are the time? So
38:38
I was just like, was I supposed to feel something? Yeah, you
38:44
can't keep the time without double nigga. I don't give a shit about you.
38:51
Yours was bitch it up all through this movie, Like when you were
38:54
in it. This is movies two and a half hours, You've been in
38:57
it like ten minutes, nigga, I'm supposed to care now and I fully
39:00
expect that that nigga had died and dude like, can't do a time of
39:04
that. I was like, oh, this nigga did and he didn't,
39:07
So all was time disappointed. My big issues with it that really impeded my
39:12
enjoyment before we wrapped us up, and I do want to wrap us up.
39:15
Doesn't deserve much more than us. But this is a very standard for
39:21
writers and people who study writing. This is a very study standard heroes journey,
39:28
you know, like popularized the mythological heroes journey. I think it's a
39:32
Joseph Campbell is the author who talked about it. I can't remember. I'm
39:37
not sure if I'm fucking it up, but it basically the hero's journey we
39:39
see in mad movies, mad stories, whatever, where a character. We
39:45
actually talked about it on our s Men review. The Pride of the X
39:50
Men pilot is a hero's journey type story where a character, and usually happens
39:54
to pilots, a character introduced is introduced to a new world. They learned
40:00
about the mechanics to this new world. They go through some trials and tribulations.
40:05
They're reduced to their lowest point where they learn a lesson. Then they
40:08
get their shit together and they achieve their goal. Then their goal usually isn't
40:15
what they thought it was or what they wanted, so they have to find
40:17
a new goal, which then sets them back on to this path of being
40:22
back to trying to zero where they're in this new world, and then they
40:25
can continue their adventures and learn or you know, keep moving through this new
40:30
world. So that's what happened in prid Of That's Man, That's basically what
40:32
goes on in this Noah is in his one world. His world is disrupted
40:37
by this attack from this other plan of apes. He learns that the world
40:40
is much greater than he thought, and he must go on and explore it.
40:45
But my issue is when Noah's reduced to his lowest point. There's no
40:49
in fact, throughout this film, as long as it is, it doesn't
40:52
really feel like Noah goes on much of a journey. He doesn't really learn
40:54
shit. You know, things just happen. Noah, you know, moves
41:00
on, fights bosses, and then it's over. But no one don't learn
41:04
ship. You know, there's no like he don't even try, Like no
41:07
one don't give a fuck, Like Noah's asked to do things like come on,
41:12
man, you can do it. No it's like nah, Nah,
41:13
I can't. I'm good. And then later and then later on, no
41:19
it just does it. It's like fucking the time, you know, the
41:22
movie's almost over now. It felt like the story was like, Okay,
41:24
now it's time the movies. He actually earned it. It's like, well,
41:29
now it's time for him to rise up and and and succeed his father.
41:32
So let's do this. Then, I mean, nigga, I guess,
41:40
fucking bird the law. But the law is wrong. And if Eagle
41:50
said, my nigga, it was like, I guess, nigga, Like
41:53
when you're watching what we'll understand, but the movie's almost over, then you
42:00
know, I was gonna let that ship go about the guns. But no,
42:04
I gotta go back because I just realized something. What's that the niggas
42:07
had gunpowder? The niggas had explosives, Hey damn sure did, and that
42:10
ship was working gunpowder at that. So you mean to tell me you got
42:20
all these materials a white man that can read, and they got books off
42:25
of a couple. They have books, And I'm sorry and fun that in
42:30
one hundred years, you ain't gonna forget about guns, nigga like that,
42:32
Like like you said, the nigga had the strap on two of the movie
42:37
covers, Like these niggas have seen the DVDs talking exploded. No, no,
42:45
like that would have been the first law fun all this ape should not
42:49
kill ape. It's get to strap and kill. That would have been to
42:54
everything walking niggas like all the humans, like these niggas went through a war
42:59
with these niggas. These niggas went through one hundred years of slave with these
43:01
fucking humans. Like they are gonna murder these niggas on site with the strap
43:06
nigga. It's what Rod said, It's what Rogue said on XP ninety seven.
43:09
It's more the same, fasts, more the same. We've done this
43:14
before. Yeah, get the streep in here. Yeah whatever what Okay,
43:20
Now we said what we said. Like I said, it was some amazing,
43:22
incredible aspects to it and other infuriating points to it. For us.
43:28
Anyway, we understand we are also the minority. Because I actually looked on
43:31
ron Tomatoes and critics are giving us a eighty five percent. I don't understand
43:36
it. The audience score will be close, score will potentially be close,
43:39
and that's fine, we disagree. I don't know. If you're it's not
43:45
a bad film, that's nothing. It's not a bad film. I will
43:47
say. I'm not gonna say it's And also if of the mid two thousands
43:55
trilogy is not the best out of all of them, easily. But again,
44:01
I remember you said you didn't want to hear this, but this is
44:04
the new version for the new generation, so they're starting off from zero.
44:07
So whatever point, whatever percentage this gets, this is gonna be the starting
44:12
point. Well, I mean, that's I'm saying. If you if you
44:14
don't consider the old films, then this is, you know, a commercial,
44:16
That's what I'm saying. I still don't know if I can call this
44:20
a film like that. It's a good commercial, it's a movie. It's
44:22
a well shot commercial. Okay, But I'm not gonna say this is a
44:27
bad I'm not gonna say it's bad because it wasn't bad. It was just
44:30
I it wasn't for me. I don't feel like that has a real story.
44:35
But maybe I'm wrong, you know, I will say this, there's
44:38
real hints of a really good movie in there. Yeah, yeah, and
44:45
yeah, I was gonna say, and just also there are lots of like
44:49
little callbacks and references to God, the older films and even the Genesis of
44:52
the Planet of the Apes like franchise. Overall, there's lots of callbacks and
44:57
things like that. Like in my theater the Old White Man was fucking cracking
45:01
the fuck up. They were crying when a few lines were said that they
45:05
thought were fucking hilarious. And as me where I was just like, I
45:07
don't get it, but okay, and that's okay. Then I don't get
45:09
it. It wasn't for me, and that's all right. I don't want
45:13
to I'm saying I don't want it to like I'm not trying to say,
45:15
like the things that I don't get doesn't mean it was a bad film,
45:17
that's no. Yeah, that's why I don't want to say that it was.
45:21
You know, it was just I'm actually a pretty big fan of the
45:24
original series, and you know, the last three I thought were really great
45:30
and that they were good. Yeah, And that's something that really kind of
45:32
bothers me about this one because the last three it actually did a really interesting
45:37
thing with the writing to me, where it felt like it was actually ending
45:42
where the original one with Charlton Heston picks up, so it felt like they
45:49
looped back to that point. I was like, Oh, that's trying of
45:51
dope. So I thought this one would but you know, continue that story
45:55
maybe, but this one feels like a commercial once again. For that movie
46:00
where we'll finally see some niggas come from space and be like, oh my
46:04
god, the earth fill with apes, you know, Like I feel like
46:06
that's maybe coming in the next one, maybe the third one. But damn,
46:13
yeah, what what do you? What do you? What are you
46:15
rating this film? Us? Yeah? Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful gown Yeah,
46:23
beautiful gowns. The gowns bring it up, you know, But it
46:28
ain't an album. I'm bumping again, fair, I'm never listening to this
46:30
joint again. You know. It's like you listened to it one time,
46:32
like was you know, but no, I'm not listening to this album again.
46:37
I could not see myself watching this two and a half hour movie again.
46:40
Yeah, I get to see plus individuals, the pluses for the visuals.
46:44
It ain't even getting a T and T watch for I'm cleaning up the
46:45
house. Damn, not even a laundry watch. No, no, no,
46:51
I'm telling something else. There's too much other shit to watch. Oh
46:52
and I rated it, but I never got to ask did you care about
46:55
the fight scenes? No? That was another issue, not really, you
46:59
know, that was it was like they were you know, I don't know
47:01
why because as much I liked the visuals. The fight scenes didn't really do
47:07
it for me like that. It just didn't have like the gravitas. Yeah,
47:13
and because you didn't care about the characters. So it's like, so
47:15
what that your niggas is fighting? I guess that's one thing. But even
47:19
when even like there's movies I don't give about the characters and they're fighting.
47:23
Yeah, but the fight was not lit. I don't remember no fights being
47:28
lit to you. I mean that was damn no. That was time.
47:32
I was like, damn he fucking them up. But never like from a
47:36
bystander perspective where it's like, oh, I should be calling nine on one
47:38
right now, but I'm not, and like keep it pushing. That white
47:42
girl getting draged once again, that was hilarious. That was just ridiculous,
47:45
hilarious. She got caught up in that net was And there was another unintentional
47:51
ship like that when aides were getting served. I was cracking up. Yeah,
47:53
Like I said, there were there were a lot of like damn,
47:57
yeah, that's fucked up, but yeah, but nothing where I was like,
48:00
oh I gotta see that moment again. I gotta see that fight skin.
48:04
No, none of that, no, no, I mean if one
48:07
a dies and I honestly was like, that's how you die, like you
48:12
know, so it was it was like, I mean, the most unmemorable
48:15
death. So it's like, no, I wouldn't Yeah, no, would
48:20
you recommend people go watch this film? No, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
48:25
We can't keep except say why we can't keep accept the mediocre mediocrity?
48:32
I feel like that's a big problem. Like, no, man, it's
48:35
just mediocre, like effects not mediocre though, No, but the movie as
48:39
a whole is mediocre. Like visual effects do not make a movie. And
48:44
I'm sorry for the people who put all the time and effect of those visual
48:46
effects. I feel bad for you all because you know, you could have
48:49
been working on a better movie. And I know people are gonna go see
48:52
this, Like you said, it's tried eighty five percent, so I'm gonna
48:53
put my vote. I'm saying no, But you know, y'all, you
48:57
know, go see yourselves. I will say, if you you are a
49:00
huge Planet of the Apes fan, you probably want to see this for completion
49:04
this sake. If you really really really really really like apes and monkeys and
49:07
things like that, you're really, really really gonna enjoy this like if you're
49:10
a nature white person. Other than that, I do agree with you,
49:15
Ben. Yeah, nah man, there's better joys. Uh furials to drops
49:22
in a few weeks. I heard it's crazy sight. Yeah. They actually
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Okay, I would love to have been there. Yeah, that was early
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