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Juiced baseballs or nah? Hannah Keyser joins for extensions debate · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: On the Blue Jays. I'm like, oh, okay, maybe you're
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  Speaker 1: not as confident as you thought you were if you're
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  Speaker 1: willing to take the money so close to free agency.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what he said.
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  Speaker 3: That's what he said.
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  Speaker 2: That's what he said.
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  Speaker 1: That's what he said.
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  Speaker 4: Big weekend for the Mets. They swept the Blue Jays,
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  Speaker 4: blue Jays getting the attention top of the show on
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  Speaker 4: the Vladi Junior deal, but also close games. Mets took
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  Speaker 4: him down all weekend long. So from Friday's game you
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  Speaker 4: have Alonso and Soto contributing big time. Of course, both
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  Speaker 4: of them were pursued by Toronto in the offseason. Here's
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  Speaker 4: Pete going long, reaching for one across the plate, taking
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  Speaker 4: it opposite field, and that's one of the more pitcher
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  Speaker 4: friendly ballparks in baseball. Pete's got dumb strength. But Gary Cohen,
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  Speaker 4: the play by play guy for the Mets, who does
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  Speaker 4: an awesome, awesome job, said, even for Pete to hit
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  Speaker 4: a home run in that fashion is really not something
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  Speaker 4: you ever expect. So then juiced ball madness takes over
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  Speaker 4: for the next twenty four hours on social media.
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  Speaker 3: Do you see anything aj No.
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  Speaker 5: You know how you hit home runs? Crafts extension out
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  Speaker 5: front he hit. He was fully extended when he met
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  Speaker 5: the ball, and it was out front. I know, oupo,
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  Speaker 5: It's a long way there in city field. But Pete
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  Speaker 5: has hit. The home runs Pete hit this year have
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  Speaker 5: been to right center and to center field right, so
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  Speaker 5: he's obviously and how do you pitch Pete? You got
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  Speaker 5: to crowd him right You want to let Pete have
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  Speaker 5: a big year, everyone just throw him away and see
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  Speaker 5: how many balls. Remember the Devin Williams home run? Where
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  Speaker 5: do you hit it right field? You're gonna have to
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  Speaker 5: crowd Pete. You can't just let him go up there
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  Speaker 5: and get extended and use all that polar bear power
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  Speaker 5: that he has, right all that gator power. While we're
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  Speaker 5: talking about it, let's talk about it, but let's not
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  Speaker 5: let him use all that gator power out there to
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  Speaker 5: right center. You're gonna have to crowd him. And if
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  Speaker 5: you don't, the balls aren't used to any different. I
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  Speaker 5: don't believe. I mean, I think it's a funny topic
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  Speaker 5: to talk about because the balls have changed here and
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  Speaker 5: there year to year. But this year it's too early
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  Speaker 5: to tell. But Pete's a strong son of a gun.
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  Speaker 6: I don't see the justed part of it. And if
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  Speaker 6: there's somebody that can do that in that fashion, it's Pete.
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  Speaker 6: There's You can go back a couple, you know, two
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  Speaker 6: hundred episodes ago when when Todd was talking about watching
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  Speaker 6: some of the stuff that this guy would do justin
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  Speaker 6: BP and when big leaguers are in all of somebody's power.
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  Speaker 6: The dudes got elite power, and it was a heater
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  Speaker 6: to me. He kind of did the same thing in Milwaukee,
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  Speaker 6: and Milwaukee's big down the line. It's not big in
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  Speaker 6: the gas, but it's big down the line. I don't know,
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  Speaker 6: I got to see a bigger sample size to say
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  Speaker 6: if the balls are juiced or not. Like I think
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  Speaker 6: twenty nineteen when they admitted, you know what, we had
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  Speaker 6: a couple of batches that we wound a little tighter
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  Speaker 6: to see the balls fly out of the yard, asked
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  Speaker 6: how much.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, that's the Braves their juice.
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  Speaker 2: True, that's the Reds. They obviously didn't the juice.
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  Speaker 5: They didn't get either. They're not using torpedo bats and
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  Speaker 5: they ain't get the juice balls. Yankees must up both.
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  Speaker 3: Well.
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  Speaker 4: They set the record right. Most of them are to
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  Speaker 4: start a season they broke the two thousand and eight Cardinals.
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  Speaker 4: I think it was we're talking about such a small
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  Speaker 4: set of games to start the year. Things get overblown
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  Speaker 4: at the start of the season, right If this stretch
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  Speaker 4: happens in mid June, it's whatever. But yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 4: some of the nerdy scientists people online were pointing out
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  Speaker 4: ballflight and basically saying everything looked pretty normal right now.
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  Speaker 3: But my question was crat how.
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  Speaker 4: Many teammates would bring this up, right, Like, on a
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  Speaker 4: particular year, did guys talk about, oh, the baseball this year, man,
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  Speaker 4: it feels like it's jewed this year, or did.
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  Speaker 3: You get that talk much when you were playing or not?
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  Speaker 6: Really, it was from pictures, from pictures, And honestly, you
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  Speaker 6: could tell you can pick up a baseball.
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  Speaker 2: We do it millions of times in our career.
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  Speaker 6: You can tell when you get a ball that you're like,
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  Speaker 6: there's something a little different. And the biggest thing I saw,
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  Speaker 6: I mean this was like this is a dress. Drastic
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  Speaker 6: difference is the triple A ball to the big league
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  Speaker 6: ball when they combined them and when they put all
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  Speaker 6: big league balls in the minor in the minor leagues,
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  Speaker 6: and I think Double A and Triple A.
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  Speaker 2: I know, definitely Triple A.
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  Speaker 6: That's when people really started to notice the difference in
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  Speaker 6: a big league ball and a Triple A ball because
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  Speaker 6: you have lesser you have you have pitchers who aren't
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  Speaker 6: as good and hitters who have as much power, but
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  Speaker 6: they're not as good. So when it's contacted, the balls
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  Speaker 6: travel on a ton So that's that's the only time
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  Speaker 6: you really notice it, but not not from park to
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  Speaker 6: park or season to season, rarely unless something big is
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  Speaker 6: made like that.
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  Speaker 5: By the way, so we had Matt Stram on last
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  Speaker 5: week right, and he was talking about the torpedo bats
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  Speaker 5: and how he doesn't really care and you know, you
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  Speaker 5: should let the pictures use stuff or whatever. I talked
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  Speaker 5: to him about this this weekend and I said, what
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  Speaker 5: do you think? And he goes, listen, let them do
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  Speaker 5: whatever they want. They want to use metal bats. Just
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  Speaker 5: make it all equal. So let's pictures know how to combat.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm like, you don't want to use metal bathsuits?
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  Speaker 5: Someone could? He goes, yeah, the bb Core And I go, dude,
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  Speaker 5: you don't want to Bigley kid her. You see a
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  Speaker 5: metal bat, I don't care what kind it is, but
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  Speaker 5: it was what he said was true. He just wants
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  Speaker 5: everything to be equal. That was more of the point.
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  Speaker 5: He's like, I don't care, just make it equal. So
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  Speaker 5: as pictures, we know how to come at it. And
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  Speaker 5: that's kind of where I feel. But this is way
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  Speaker 5: too early start talking about juice balls, like, come on, people.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, Gary said, I wonder if the baseballs are
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  Speaker 4: a little more jumpy this year after Pete's home run.
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  Speaker 4: So Hanna Kaiser wrote about this in her news letter.
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  Speaker 4: Anyway, Hannah, good to see you, and we were just
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  Speaker 4: continuing our conversation earlier about just baseballs. You covered that
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  Speaker 4: a little bit in one of the recent newsletters. Can
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  Speaker 4: you give us a little insight.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys were referencing that Pie Alonzo home run
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  Speaker 1: and the first inning of the home opener, right that's
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  Speaker 1: what okay. I was there, I was watching the game.
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  Speaker 1: I had the headphones in to be listening to the broadcast.
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  Speaker 1: This is, this is. I don't want to be slandering.
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  Speaker 1: Mets broadcasts best broadcasting baseball, absolutely, and I love that
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  Speaker 1: they tell it like it is and that they are
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  Speaker 1: authentic and they're not super homers in that way. But
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  Speaker 1: pretty quickly they were like, oh, that's like interesting that
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  Speaker 1: that ball got out. Maybe the balls were a little
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  Speaker 1: extra juicy, a little jumpy this year, And so I
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  Speaker 1: just plugged into the stat cast search balls specifically in
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  Speaker 1: March and April, because I know that the weather changes things.
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  Speaker 1: But March and April twenty twenty two to twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: four looking at balls that had similar exit velocities and
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  Speaker 1: launch angles to the one that pi Alonzo hit that
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  Speaker 1: went out of the park, and on average those balls
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  Speaker 1: were traveling I think it was like seven feet further
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  Speaker 1: than pie Alonzo's ball did. So I think it's just
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  Speaker 1: that they got fooled by how strong Pete is. Sometimes
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  Speaker 1: he takes what looks like not a full swing and
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  Speaker 1: a ball goes out of the park. They are not
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  Speaker 1: extra jumpy. I have had that thought watching some swings
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  Speaker 1: this year. Maybe it is just the bats. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think he was using a torpedo bat. But no, there
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  Speaker 1: is no evidence. I mean, based on this very sort
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  Speaker 1: of cursory search, just looking at if you put if
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  Speaker 1: you put that kind of eggsit bilow and launch angle
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  Speaker 1: into a ball, what does it do? If anything traveling
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  Speaker 1: less far? This year?
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  Speaker 5: Wow? Nice? Nice, love it. But maybe it was just
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  Speaker 5: pissed for pitching. I don't know. Oh wait, sorry, welled
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  Speaker 5: to say that, Keith. I'm just asking. But what I
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  Speaker 5: want to know is is the torpedo bats and this
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  Speaker 5: and that? And I was just in Philly for the
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  Speaker 5: Dodgers and Phillies and I talked to somebody and I
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  Speaker 5: think it was I don't know who, it was one
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  Speaker 5: of the players, and they said, oh, so and so
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  Speaker 5: hit a ball one hundred and twelve with twenty seven
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  Speaker 5: percent launch angle and it didn't go out of the
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  Speaker 5: park and the wind was blowing in and.
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  Speaker 1: It was cold.
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  Speaker 5: So is it just April and people are overreacting and
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  Speaker 5: we haven't got a lot of game yet, So let's
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  Speaker 5: everybody just take a deep breath, go Gucci and calm down.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, that's exactly the other thing that I noticed putting
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  Speaker 1: those sort of same parameters in just looking at I
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  Speaker 1: think it got I think it returns like ninety five
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  Speaker 1: ish hits, like close to one hundred balls that had
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  Speaker 1: similar launch angles, similar exit velocity over those three seasons,
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  Speaker 1: and you don't always get the same result. Is what
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  Speaker 1: it turns out there are you're sort of just as
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  Speaker 1: likely to get a home run as you are to
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  Speaker 1: get a long flyout. That's what's fun about baseball. It's
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  Speaker 1: played in different conditions, it's played in different ballparks. It's
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  Speaker 1: not it's like, as much as we can quantify things,
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  Speaker 1: we can't always quantify what exactly is a home run
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  Speaker 1: swing or a home run hit. So, yeah, it's April,
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  Speaker 1: it's early. We have a relatively small sample size. That's
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  Speaker 1: the other thing in baseball. You accumulate a lot of games,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of at bats, a lot of balls, and
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  Speaker 1: play pretty quickly, but it's still relatively small compared to
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  Speaker 1: the size of sample sizes that we're used to dealing
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  Speaker 1: with talking about, well, what are the balls doing year
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  Speaker 1: to year?
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  Speaker 6: Can you tell us what you wrote about the extensions,
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  Speaker 6: because maybe it's a little bit of an overreaction like, Wow,
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  Speaker 6: this are the most extensions ever. And reality is, we
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  Speaker 6: just look back a little bit. There's been quite a
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  Speaker 6: few extensions in a recent year.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm stealing this is actually this was my collaborators
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  Speaker 1: at Krysler writing about this. But he was looking at
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  Speaker 1: it felt like we were getting so many post opening
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  Speaker 1: day extensions. Oh, this must be unusual, but it's really
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  Speaker 1: not if you kind of lump them in with the
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  Speaker 1: end of spring training extensions. I think what happened, and guys,
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  Speaker 1: I've seen anonymous executive quotes to this effect. These were
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  Speaker 1: all deals that were pretty close, I'm sure before opening day,
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  Speaker 1: and it just felt like, well, why cut the momentum
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  Speaker 1: off here? I was surprised, though about the blind one.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys talked about this already today. Who's surprised?
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  Speaker 1: Can I get a quick round of you all? Who's surprised?
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  Speaker 1: Who's not surprised that this got done and got done
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  Speaker 1: for five hundred.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not surprised. I said it. I said he played
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  Speaker 5: him like a fiddle. He played him perfectly. He told
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  Speaker 5: them exactly what they wanted and they had to do it,
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  Speaker 5: so he crushed it. I don't care what anyone else is.
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  Speaker 2: Not surprised.
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  Speaker 1: Scott surprised, Really, I'm surprised why. Okay, I'm kind of
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  Speaker 1: surprised that I'm surprised that if I look at it
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  Speaker 1: from either side individually, less surprised when I look at
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  Speaker 1: it in conjunction. If I'm the Blue Jays, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know why I want to give this extension to someone
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  Speaker 1: who's willing to take this extension so close to free agency.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, that seems indicate to me that he thinks
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that I can give five hundred million
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  Speaker 1: on the open market because he was so committed to
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  Speaker 1: getting this. Like, if you're vled, you're so close, why
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  Speaker 1: not one more great year? You've had kind of up
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  Speaker 1: and down year to year, not necessarily showing that you
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  Speaker 1: can do it year over year. If you're confident you
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  Speaker 1: can do year over year, show that you can have
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  Speaker 1: a twenty twenty four season again and see what that
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  Speaker 1: lands on the open market. Obviously, he doesn't think he's
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  Speaker 1: necessarily going to be five hundred millionairells he would have
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  Speaker 1: done that, And so if I'm the Blue Jays, I'm like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 1: maybe you're not as confident as you thought you were.
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  Speaker 1: If you're willing to take the money so close to
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  Speaker 1: free agency.
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  Speaker 3: Quick reply here.
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  Speaker 4: So for me, Hannah, I'm not surprised because of what
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  Speaker 4: the number got to, right. He made it pretty clear,
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  Speaker 4: even publicly, five hundred gets it done. And the Blue
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  Speaker 4: Jays were like, well, we are already are going past
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  Speaker 4: our value, and he's like, cool, five hundred gets it done.
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  Speaker 4: Didn't budge right, blue Jays are thinking, oh, maybe they'll
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  Speaker 4: meet in the middle. No, lad, it's like five hundred
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  Speaker 4: million dollars. I want a five hundred million dollar net
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  Speaker 4: present value contract. I'm like, how much better could he
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  Speaker 4: have done in free agency?
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  Speaker 3: Was he going to get to the sixes? I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, how do we compare him to Soto? Plus
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  Speaker 4: Soto's age was still a year younger, so that's another
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  Speaker 4: whatever forty fifty mili at least. I just felt like
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  Speaker 4: he set his number and he made the Blue Jays
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  Speaker 4: catch all the way up to it, and they were
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  Speaker 4: playing games with him for the last like three four years. Right,
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  Speaker 4: they could have signed him in twenty twenty one for
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  Speaker 4: in the three hundred something range, like low three hundreds,
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  Speaker 4: in the similar realm of Tatis, and they decided to
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  Speaker 4: always kind of go undervalue compared to what else was
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  Speaker 4: being thrown out there. So I felt like he just
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  Speaker 4: laid it out clear and simple. You call me anytime
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  Speaker 4: if you have five hundred, this get's done. That was
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  Speaker 4: why I wasn't surprised. I would have been surprised if
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  Speaker 4: he gave in and said, all right, let's do this.
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  Speaker 3: At four sixty five.
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  Speaker 1: I was thinking about this. I wonder whether early extensions
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  Speaker 1: but get more desperation in other teams. I'm thinking specifically
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  Speaker 1: about the Blue Jays, a team that has struggled to
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  Speaker 1: get it done in free agency. They're seeing other teams
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  Speaker 1: lock up their best position players early. That's pulling from
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  Speaker 1: the pool of future position players available in free agency,
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  Speaker 1: and the Blue Jays already know they don't. They don't
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  Speaker 1: have great numbers, you know, great batting average on the
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  Speaker 1: free agent market, and so maybe they're getting concerned, Well,
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  Speaker 1: there just aren't that many free agents to go around.
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  Speaker 1: The more guys who sign these early career extensions. Now
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  Speaker 1: what's interesting to me. I know it's going to constantly
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  Speaker 1: get comped to Sodo and Shoho Tiny's deal because it's
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  Speaker 1: up in that echelon in terms of raw dollars. Both
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  Speaker 1: of those guys, it felt like a big factor of
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  Speaker 1: their free agency was discerning the team's competitive future. They
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  Speaker 1: were looking for teams that they felt were going to
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  Speaker 1: continue to spend and build around them. And I don't
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  Speaker 1: know that I feel great about the Blue Jay's ability
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  Speaker 1: to do that, but maybe that's sort of why they
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  Speaker 1: went to that five hundred million dollar mark. So it
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  Speaker 1: is kind of I see what you're saying that, like
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  Speaker 1: the specifics of the situation, it's like it could only
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  Speaker 1: get done for five hundred million, and the Blue Jays
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  Speaker 1: were only going to give five hundred million because they
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  Speaker 1: know that they struggled in free agency. And maybe because
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: they struggled in free agency is why it's surprising to
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  Speaker 1: me that Blood I want to commit to spending his
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  Speaker 1: whole career there, But if they didn't have that desperation factor,
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  Speaker 1: they're probably not giving him that money. So I see
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  Speaker 1: what you're saying, but it still just feels like, Wow,
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  Speaker 1: So you don't want to hear what the Mets or
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  Speaker 1: someone is going to offer you. A team that's shown
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  Speaker 1: they're willing to not just spend in this one area
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  Speaker 1: and a team. That's I don't know. I don't I
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  Speaker 1: don't feel good about the Blue Jays chances this year.
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  Speaker 1: They have the oldest pitching staff by age, and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that I want to spend the rest
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  Speaker 1: of my career in Toronto, although I love Toronto.
• 15:28
  Speaker 5: In the city too late, Hannah, you're going to get
• 15:32
  Speaker 5: destroyed on Twitter now for saying you hate Canada. So
• 15:34
  Speaker 5: good luck you are. You're going to hate your life
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: for the rest of your life because now you just
• 15:39
  Speaker 5: said you hate Canada. But there some people, here's what
• 15:42
  Speaker 5: you have to know. That's that's what I heard. That's
• 15:44
  Speaker 5: what Twitter is going to hear. So I'm just saying.
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: But when we clip this, it's all they're going to hear,
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: is Hannah. Hannahkeeiser hates.
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: We will not do that.
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: I will tell the clip team we will not do that.
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: But but some people just like where they're at and
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: I don't know that. Listen, I know he said I'll
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: get five hundred million on the open market. But first,
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: baseman don't get paid like other positions do. That's why again,
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: I think he played this perfectly. He got the team,
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: he grew up with the team, he knows where he
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: was born. I know people think him as Dominican, but
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: he was born in Canada. Canada loves him, and therefore
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: the marketing and everything with him was perfect. I think
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: he nailed this. I can't. You're saying, well, why would
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: they want to do why would he want to do this?
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: Are you kidding me? Fourteen years, five hundred million. You
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: don't have to movie. You know exactly where you're at.
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: I mean, I hate Canada. I love Canada, So people
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: on Twitter, I love Canada. I'm just saying I love Canda.
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: I love Gretzky still the gold King. Okay, but you know,
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: Hannah just saying some people really like where they're at.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: I do, actually, Okay, So yes, I want to say that.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: I think it would be bad if everyone did the
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: Juan Soto let me hit free agency, go to both
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: the highest dollar offer and also kind of demand, and
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: they prove they're going to continue to spend around me,
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: because that limits then we do get into a kind
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: of competitive balance issue where there's only so many teams
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: that can do that. I like this from sort of
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: a big picture baseball narrative standpoint. I love guys spending
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: their whole career on one team, and if you can
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: get five hundred million and spend your whole career in
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: one team, that's beautiful. I'm just saying if I'm either
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: side that I'm a little suspicious.
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: That Carlos Korea he went to the Twins and they said,
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: we're going to spend all this money. Well sign you.
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: I haven't spent money in two years, So how'd that
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: work out?
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair, And we don't talk about Carlos Korea
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: that much anymore.
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: There you go, Aja, It is time for people to
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: get some new clubs, and to do that, they need
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: to go to their local PXG for a fitting, right.
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: No doubt. I was there today, I've been there before.
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: Last time I was there, they gave me this killer
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: gap weag. You look at that sweet spot, Scott, it
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: is worn out. That is right in the sweet spot
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: right there. So I went and got new clubs today,
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: new irons, and more importantly, I got this boy. I
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: got me a new putter. This is my old putter.
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: It's on order. Yes, that's my putter cover PXG Mustang putter.
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: Now I'm going to the Allen putter. They talked me
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: into it because I was draining some putts today. Bob,
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: the guy who helped me out. He helped me with
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: my irons. He got them teed up perfectly. But then
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: we went to the putt and green I was draining
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: them putts because that's the most important part of golf.
• 18:18
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• 18:41
  Speaker 4: of the extension, tire. So you did some homework on
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: the prior years. Yeah, let's let's keep rolling on that.
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: So what did you find?
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, this is what Zach found to Now I got
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: to pull up you guys, I don't know you wanted
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: to do you want me to talk about that? Can
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: we talk about how I don't think that Christian Campbell
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: should have taken that extension?
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: Well that's part of this. Yeah, ellis your show.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Hannah that's where I'm used to hostings. God, it's surprising
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: getting to talk to you. Usually I'm like, here's what
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: you're talking about. No, we're talking about the Christian Campbell
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: extension now and how you can make a lot of
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: money in arbitration. You don't need to sign away your
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: arbitration year is quite so early. I know that we
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: talk about how arb is not the free free market,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: but you can make a lot of money in arbitration
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: if you're a good player. I was. That's another one
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: that surprised me. Am, I just am. I maybe I'm
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: out of touch. I feel like all of these kind
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: of caught me off guard in terms of either being
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: so early or so late. Not all of them, but
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: those two did.
• 19:39
  Speaker 6: When you talk about Christian Campbell's extension that is signed,
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: do you think it's more a indication of what Major
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: League Baseball thinks of sixty million dollars, specifically the Red Sox,
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: but what other teams? Or do you think it's an
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: indication you know what baseball is uncertain. I'm a young kid.
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: It's hard to pass up sixty million dollars.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: I think it's the latter. I think it is. I
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: mean it's similar to I think we're going to maybe
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: talk about Ron Blom at some point, But he said,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: that feels sort of like a Braves extension to me
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: in that a team was we talk about like playing
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: it well and look, Black Girls agents played it very well.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: I thought the Red Sox played that well. They clearly
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: knew their guy, they knew sort of what motivated him
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: and when was the right time to strike. That feels
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: like a very savvy for the team extension in that
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: sixty million is a lot. I think sixty million is
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: not a lot of money in baseball terms. I think
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: it's a lot of money in you're a young guy,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: you just made the majors, You're very excited about the
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: direction your career is going in this particular moment. So
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I think that's a savvy team extension in terms of
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: sort of when they struck. Yeah, but I think I think,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: why why before you've even like like he got he
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: got a pre a pre debut style extension, even though
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: he had already debuted and his debut is going great,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Give it another few months, see how it does. Maybe
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: you get a little more money in six months, three
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: months even I think they paid him like he hadn't
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: even debuted, and he's I know it's a small sample size,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: but he's looking really good at the major league level already.
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: Okay, Hannah, if you're if your significant other came home
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: from work said, Hannah, I got this new job and
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: they're gonna pay me sixty million dollars. But I think
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: if I wait five years, I might be able to
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: make eighty million dollars. What are you telling him? And also,
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: this is when you were twenty what is he twenty
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: two years old?
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That's what you're making me out
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: to be. Like I'm a hater, and I'm.
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: Just well, you said it was a bad deal, So
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: I'm just asking you the question.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: I wish that my significant other was good enough at
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: baseball that I said, Babe, you don't need that sixty million.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: You're so good you get that eighty right.
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: You would have told him to take the sixty wouldn't you?
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: What do you think I would? What do you think
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: Christian Campbell's agent family. Everyone was telling me, you're going
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: to get sixty million dollars to play baseball, you better
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: sign up. Trust me. If someone to come to me
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: when I was a rookie. Before I signed and said
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: I'll give you sixty million, I would have been like,
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: I'll sign in blood, I'll sign in whatever you want
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: me to sign with, just I'll sign it.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: You're like, I'll be that human sacrifice for sixty Absolutely.
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: I'm like, Tino, you need me for sixty million, I'm in. Yeah.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: But that's because we all have christiananl talent, and neither does.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: He can only hear half the conversation, my significant.
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: He's not as good as Christian Campbell either, So that's that.
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: But that's okay. He didn't hear that part of it.
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: Take us to the Ron Blum interview that you had.
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: This was intriguing to me back in nineteen eighty eight,
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: is that right?
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yes, tracking system. He sold major League Baseball the
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: first pitch tracking system. Ron Blum. I don't know how
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: much you guys have or have not encountered him around
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: the game. He's the Associated Press lead baseball writer reporter.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: He is such a character. He is the person who
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: cares about the specific payout schedule of the deferrals of
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: the escalators. He cares about how much guys are making
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: down to the dollar, down to the penny when the
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: AP reports the salaries for every single player, like nine
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty players or something like that. This year
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: they reported down to the dollar, and I wanted to
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: talk to him about sort of the history of reporting
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: on salaries because we didn't always have that level of
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: granular detail on how much guy's made, but then also
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: about why that level of granular detail matters. And I
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: thought it was really interesting and really compelling. And he's
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: such a specific guy. He's so much fun to be
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: in a press conference with because he's the guy asking
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Andrew Friedman, Dodgers President of Baseball Operations, in the middle
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: the World Series, like do I have my calculations on
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: how much international bonus pool space you have left? Correct?
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: And it's funny because people screenshoted that exchanged during the
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: World Series. They tweeted out they said, this is crazy.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Look at this reporter who it's whatever, Game one of
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: the World Series and he's asking the Dodgers president Baseball
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Operations about their international cap spase. And that turned out
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: to matter of course, because he was thinking ahead. Ron
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: was thinking Roki Sasaki, what's going to happen this offseason?
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: And I just think I love the way that Ron
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: thinks about how the very very granular specifics of the
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: economics of the game are so predictive in terms of
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: team behavior, player behavior, league behavior, that kind of stuff.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: He's looking, he's reading the tea leaves of the contracts
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: that are given out of the deferral schedules that teams
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: are agreeing to, and what that says about the direction
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: of the team or the league as a whole. So yeah,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: it's a really really I think he's like such a
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: fascinating person to talk to you because he's lived through
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: so much and covered so much and sees the trends
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: and sees the cycles and sees kind of where we're
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: headed based on where we are.
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: And he sold his proprietary info back in the day
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: to cover his college.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Bills, right, yes, exactly after he went to Columbia. He
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: was there with Gary Cohen and they did some broadcasting together,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: and then he was working for I don't remember the name,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: was like Sports Database or something, and this level of
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: granular detail he was applying it to pitch information. He
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: wanted to build a system to track every pitch. When
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: we talk about you know, this is what made him
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: think of it. The Yankees hitting three home runs on
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: the first three pitches of the game. That feels like
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: the kind of information we've always had, but we haven't
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: always been keeping track of, like what's happening in a game,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: not just in the box score, but on a pitch
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: by pitch level. And yeah, he was like that era
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: goes back to nineteen eighty eight, because that's when I
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: sold that system that was tracking what's happening every pitch
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: of the game to Major League Baseball itself. And the
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: financial tracking stuff. He's so detailed with it that originally
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: MLB it isn't so much they I asked him, I
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: thought that he had sold that was I had gotten
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: my details confused. I thought he sold them some sort
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: of financial tracking system and it wasn't that. But he
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: was in the early days having conversations with people at
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: the league about sort of what is he calculating because
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: he was keeping track of teams actual payrolls again sort
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: of down to the dollar. And before we had I mean,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: there was a time before even Major League Baseball had
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: computers doing these things. They also were just you know,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: long hand writing out well, the first basement's making this
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: much and how the second Basemin's making this much and
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: telling it all and they used to sometimes check with
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: him to check their maths just because they were like,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: we're all just having to add it up here, so
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: let's see what Ron got, all right, Well, how much changed?
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: How much it changed? It feels like at times, it
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: seems like this is kind of the same time, same
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: thing with major League Baseball at times.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: Hannah, Well, thank you for the time. Great, great catching up,
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: Thanks for stopping by and on your way out. Want
• 27:02
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• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Yes, go to bandwagon dot substack dot com. Subscribe there.
• 27:11
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• 27:13
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• 27:18
  Speaker 1: three times a week. It's a lot of content, and
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: we're both writing most days and we're sharing fun links
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• 27:30
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• 27:32
  Speaker 4: It's good stuff. Yeah, everyone check it out, Hannah. We'll
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: have you back soon. Thank you so much for a
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: non hosting and joining us.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: Let's bring up that Tyry Francona quote as the Reds
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: finally got themselves back on the board, but still do
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: not look good overall. To start the year, offense was
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: super dumb, quiet for a few games, and he said
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: we were going to have a human sacrifice, but nobody volunteered.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: I think he's kidding. Crap, it's not one hundred percent.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: I think he's kidding.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: There's a lot that there's a lot you do to
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: turn the offense around. I get it.
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: And you know what, Hey, that person that would have
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: volunteered would have what gone down in history had the
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: Reds turned it around.
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: He'll do anything, He'll do anything to get a hit.
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: I promise you. There's a lot of things that people
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: do to get a hit that they wouldn't tell their
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: their family members about because you will literally try anything
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: to get hit. So, yeah, listen, this was a joke
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: by Tito, but it was a funny one because I
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: left when I saw this. I'm like, yeah, good for you, Tito.
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: You understand he was a hitter. He gets it.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: They're definitely missing an aircraft carrier.
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: I thought that was supposed to be Ellie missing another
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: aircraft carrier.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, that's not what you said.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: Show.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: That's what an aircraft carrier is. They carry all of
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: the planes.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: How many teams? How many teams get away with one
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: aircraft carrier. Besides, I guess judging the Yankees this.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Year and last year and the year before we.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: Last last year, oh god, they had two too heavy,
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: heavy carriers right next to each other. I'm just saying,
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: I think I think they're missing one more star bat
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: in there.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: I do.
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: Matt McLean will be that he's coming off a whole
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: season that he missed from shoulder surgery.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: He'll be there.
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: So you're not worried about the guys, I'm not worried
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: about the Reds.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Hey, ja, not worried.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: I'm worried about the Reds.
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: I'm kind of worried about the Reds because they haven't
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: they don't have a long history. They're not the Braves
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: of having a history of being able to hit. Is
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: are a bunch of younger dudes that haven't done it,
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: and they have a bunch of younger pitchers that have
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: a history of being injured. So am I worried about
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: the Reds? Yeah? Because they go what I mean, any
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: thirty five innings without scoring or some crazy number. That's
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: a lot of innings without scorning, a lot of.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: Shut out and Karnasco and Strand hit a frick and
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: BB to center field this weekend four hundred and fifty
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: something feet.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: But I mean, you.
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: Guys were the ones that pointed this out. Ellie has
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: a lot of swing and miss, and Carnassi and Strand others.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: Is there gonna be too much swing and miss in
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: this lineup?
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: I'm just saying this, there is. That's the one thing
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: we worry about. But you can't go Ellie, mister Ellie,
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: I love Ellie, and then not me, mister I love Ellie.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: It takes nine hitters in a lineup, not It's
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Not Ellie's fault, guys,