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Talks to Si hart about his choice of Snakedance (2/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  I would like to present to you this fabulous.
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  Piece of art, the Fraser faces of delusion.
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  One, two, three, four, five. I'm doing wrong.
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  Welcome back to the Doctor, Who commentary podcast.
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  It's soy how much of your life is spent doing this country
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  podcast now. Well, I worked out recently,
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  When you did your, what was it? 800th episode, something like
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  that. 300, 300 400. 400 400 400. I worked out.
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  I'd done an eighth of the whole of the hamster.
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  It's okay. We probably could say now we
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  have got our own podcast here. Well you let other people
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  joining every so often. I got a friend bone, you know, I
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  honestly we can't I'm always Happy to hear everyone else so
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  that that's good but yeah, it's I've done a lot and I love it so
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  it's okay. I'm going to try and do it very,
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  very quickly and quick succession.
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  All right. Okay, check out more after your
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  fabulous episode. 1 commentary, mmm, Leisure High invasion of
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  dinosaurs. Gridlock town called Mercy.
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  Yes, I'm dead. Yeah, Genesis, the Daleks
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  victory of the Daleks robot of Sherwood.
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  It's more. What we found that is is Kirsten
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  Kirsten and Rick. Yeah, there is also the
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  Armageddon facts are the Invasion of Time.
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  The two doctors in town can I can I be bold enough to say
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  that? I mean either your own, don't
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  you you're very well known in fan circles.
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  Anyway, but in podcast serves, did I put you on the map?
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  Like I know you'd already done four at once.
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  I think you might have done, actually.
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  I think it was There was something about the Lesser Hive
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  commentary that really hit with people when I when that was
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  released. That people who hadn't heard me,
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  do other things really listen to that one because it was
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  glorious. Absolutely adorable.
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  Honestly, I think, in terms of tales of Youth either you've
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  ever felt that way, I don't think I've ever well.
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  No, because that's my, my doctor who tale of you that is.
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  So, after all sigh, that's how it all began.
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  Absolutely. So I, you know, it's some
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  nightmare of Eden, that's another one.
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  We've done. Oh my gosh.
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  The what? The bit where you told me as an
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  outlaw award having no arms and that costume laughing?
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  Now it looks like they've been locked off the let's text
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  already has text yet and we've got a list Iran.
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  Still to come back when Tara impossible Satan pit Planet.
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  Oh yes, not be there yet. Web Planet the way Planet
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  Boomtown to be released. Yep.
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  Mhm I can't get enough of you. Can I just keep coming back for
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  more. Yeah.
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  Well up. Absolute gem to discuss today.
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  Absolutely, I'm, we have been talking about doing this one for
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  a very, very long time. I think we've got about five
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  different recordings. Where at the end was out.
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  Yep, we're not something else comes along and we do that.
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  Instead, the pilot we The pilot Joe.
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  Yeah, the Timeless children and Ascension of the Cybermen.
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  We got off at 40 minutes here. Listen to the story that I'm
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  sure that's it. That's indulgent even Frozen
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  again. So basically there's a lot to
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  listen to. I think there's a dad amongst
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  them. I mean, I think there's many
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  does on this meal but no other videos I should say, there's not
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  any but there are no Dunn's. Everyone is different to decide.
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  But I mean, In terms of prestige guests on this thing.
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  You got top drawer. You are, thank you.
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  That's enough stroke. Any a fucking ego?
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  That's what she said. Right.
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  Okay. So to of snake dogs, which I
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  don't think we've mentioned and now on BBC 1 episode 2 or snake
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  dance. Starring Peter Davison as Doctor
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  Who you got to do? The countdown clock?
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  Come on. Oh yeah.
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  By four three, two one. Go.
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  Now I'm going to say the the episode 1 Cliffhanger is
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  extremely strong and the episode 2 Cliffhanger as well but
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  everybody laments. The episode free cliff and I
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  don't like well yeah I mean that's just again.
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  I almost feel the hand of Eric's a word.
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  No he says it on documentary they had a three-hour phone
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  conversation him and Christopher Bailey and and that's all they
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  could come up with. Yeah it's a moment of Kill them,
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  kill them. That every, yet there's loads of
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  those, I mean, it's Martin clunes going.
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  What does it give up? You sound as though, you have a
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  choice Cal. Them is wonderful stuff.
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  That gives a good scream if nothing else it was your waist
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  as and well. So does this lovely lady here?
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  The yes What's really funny is she sort of stifles a laugh at
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  the end, doesn't she? Yes, she's like, well what's
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  just happened? You know.
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  Some might say, when I sculpt he is in your crystal ball.
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  That? That's a bad thing in the office
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  for a fortune teller and it explodes.
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  Uh-huh. Can I ask you about saris am
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  Nyssa? Because I feel like just Josh
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  snares aside and that's become a bit of a running joke.
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  Yes. She's kind of neglected.
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  She's got a dreadful costume while, but you know what Bo look
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  out. Sandra Dickinson Pete
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  Davidson's. Why is it off?
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  Didn't you ask her to leave? Yes, I think he did the problem
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  with that costume is the top half is fine, and the bottom
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  half is fine, but the top half and the bottom half together are
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  not fine. It's a Prelude to Colin Baker's
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  outfit and it yes. But what do you think of Sarah
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  Santa's, Nessa? What was just liked her?
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  You know, she was, it's never had any strong feelings about
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  her, which is she was just disa and my sister loved her when she
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  was my sister's favorite. When we were growing up.
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  She she always really liked Nyssa, but I don't remember, I
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  remember always liking T him. I always like to hear but No,
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  I'm sorry. Well, no, she's my favorite.
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  I think she's probably the best performed companion in this era
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  and you know, she certainly is from the period drama school of
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  acting, you know, and so much for your Justice, you know.
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  Hmm. In fact, the fact that they
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  should have done more period, dramas varenik should have been
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  in Black Orchid, you know? Yeah, I've been yeah.
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  She's yeah. She's she's Always really good
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  and I think because Tegan is so dominant.
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  Yeah, she gets a bit left behind what?
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  Well, I mean, but in narrative term she gets left behind after
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  time as well. Yeah, exactly.
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  I she's written out of most of Kinder for example as she's left
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  in the Tardis in Earth shock because they've got to give
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  adric is hero moment and Tegan's got to have a tika tika moment
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  and she's just hanging around in Waldron Undead as well as
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  ensure. Yeah.
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  The, yeah, the two of them are hanging.
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  Around and in the Tardis phrases she goes to make the giant
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  vibrator in the visitation those who hasn't done that though, you
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  know. So yeah.
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  And then she's hypnotized in full to Doomsday.
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  So yeah, it's just they never quite know what to do with her
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  because she's incredibly competent.
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  And I meant always fix those things that in early Arc of
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  infinity where she's going at the doctor.
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  Say you said you were going to repair this.
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  What you've done. This temporal Grace.
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  You said, come on, get over there.
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  And then this is the EPS. This is the story that really
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  proves that it could have been made to work, but you would have
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  to put a bit of effort into the relationship.
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  And when I would definitely say if anybody sort of doubted her
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  worthiness as Doctor Who companion, go, listen to spare
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  parts, Kris the beauty, and circular time, we the best big
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  finish stories and she is, but she has.
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  I really argument with. Peter Davison is bad.
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  Two parts. Yeah, I trick and it's
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  Unforgettable. Oh no, here we go.
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  This is the doctor attempting to convince Amber or now.
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  Yes, it's not even looking at him.
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  No. And Jonathan Morris is doing
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  great stuff in the background cause he since of looking Shifty
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  and he's looking at yet, he absolutely knows what he's
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  talking about. But I know Amber was not going
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  to take this and he's in charge and it's just really nicely,
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  nicely played, where is enough that when he's banged up that
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  cello then goes to visit him, doesn't he?
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  Yes, exam times. They start work.
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  He knows. Yeah, he knows enough.
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  That's right. Sort of keep going.
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  This is there was a sequence a minute ago, right?
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  When this, I was talking to Tegan and she's going.
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  Did you hear her? She screamed and screamed, and
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  it's like this mix of like, childlike Glee.
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  Yeah, sadism and fear. It's such a creepy, mix.
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  Mmm. I've always found hold.
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  She's loving. Yeah.
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  This position and she's enjoying her body which we don't you
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  don't get in Doctor Who companions.
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  Don't have not sexual. They're not theirs and she plays
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  this and this scene here where it's the snakeheads on her body
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  that she seeing go that was that was creepy as fuck it's a bit
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  where she's talking to herself as well, wasn't she?
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  She's talking and then just who do you think you are really
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  really scared. But I then she played up the
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  sexual element in Kinder as well when she was like yeah I'm
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  haven't been introduced have we you know but I'm not that was
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  the toned-down version from what she's doing.
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  I believe that these sets were borrowed from Another BBC
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  production they were, they were from a song for Europe.
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  So, what was that? Just like a, I think you're
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  comfortable. Yeah, sort of preparing the
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  songs to go to Eurovision. So it was sort of big silver,
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  light entertainment sets. But when you put some drapes and
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  things in them, they could be anywhere.
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  And again, it's a cheap story. I think the the designer was
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  Yan's, paczynski, who sort of just made do with, with very
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  little to work from, but I think he adds a lot to it.
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  So, yeah, I think it's the dressing that makes all of this
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  stuff because I believe in the market.
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  Absolutely, because there's just so much bottle.
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  Yeah, number of quarters, as all artifacts everywhere.
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  Yes, yeah. The shelves and things ever.
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  Being on display. And they found the lights to a
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  sort of very comfortable level in the Federation.
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  And it's very pink sand and it's sort of Jakob drapes on the
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  background. Yes, you know, that that all
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  looks and then I love the lighting in during the dinner
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  scene. If it is, it's always pretty.
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  Yeah. And it's all very yeah.
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  Very dim and wonderful. You know what?
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  It feels like. It feels like there is a whole
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  world going on around this story.
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  Yes, exactly. And that's, that's a really
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  great. Big enough, literally faces of
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  delusion here. Yeah, there is really a time on
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  a Pete, Davidson's, finest moments at 1 on the left.
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  There is phrases opinion of the dominators, and one of them were
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  my hair is phrases opinion of victory of the Daleks role.
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  That is a wonderful picture in Doctor Who magazine of that prop
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  with j and c and Eric say words on either side of it.
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  Nah. So awkward.
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  Oh no, the fifth and six phases of the moon, but I'm over there,
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  where he's again, ways discount the faces and then he's just
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  goes five and none of them are for about that.
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  They haven't seen that, but the doctor is immediately seen what
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  that's about. And I love as well.
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  I think Ambrose could have been written like a parody of that.
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  I've kind of carrots, but it's such a forceful performers from
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  John gaunt, Carlson. Really, really good.
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  He's very funny. Like, when America, we went
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  gone, get out. I absolutely believe in who he
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  is. Oh, this is such a laugh.
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  She's talking to herself. It's so scary.
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  It's like the internal voice. You have in your head.
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  Only massively, Amplified well and sorry.
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  But have you never looked in a mirror and for war?
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  Who the hell do you think you are?
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  Yeah. Oh God.
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  Yeah. I think everyone has done that
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  at some point in their life and there's layers something.
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  Yeah. And if you don't have to have as
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  well, there is something there is something to like, you know,
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  she's been taken over so she's unleashing her sort of sexuality
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  and how get baser instincts. And there is that all I get too
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  deep here but there is, we've all had those moments where
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  we've let ourselves do that. Mmm.
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  And, you know, and kind of question, am I good person for
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  what I've done, I don't know. I just I just think there is a
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  complexity to the cycle that you can read.
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  It works on lots of different levels of big, which is
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  brilliant. And it also keeps TV but looks
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  like a sonically. This is on a 650 at night on a
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  Tuesday or Wednesday night. I've been groomed Tuesday and
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  Wednesdays this year. And yeah, and we I can remember
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  being in school after this story, and people drawing snakes
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  on their arms. I did really in in felt-tip pen.
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  But because that was one of the think it was instantly copyable
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  which is around trying to seduce everybody.
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  I'll bet not add 70, know you were sick.
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  I do not wish to confidently not but it will.
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  So, I was in the first year at Junior School when this was on,
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  and I can remember on the days after Doctor, Who it would be
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  the topic of conversation on our table.
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  The next day, about what had happened in Doctor Who, and for
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  at Pete, Davidson's time that was a thing.
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  Even for me, I like it was the Doctor Who fan, everyone knew
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  that But everyone, everyone watched until Colin Baker and
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  then they stopped, and it really did turn that people loved Peter
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  Davison. And they didn't like, Colin
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  Baker, they just didn't like the costume.
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  They didn't like this, and it literally changed in nineteen
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  that week in 1984. It's very strange.
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  Change too much. Today from do not really.
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  I'm, and yeah, 22 started really, really strong.
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  Yeah, I was just looking Outside of the so kind of about that
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  market yet. But something just struck me,
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  that, if you wanna come in is really, really good.
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  At suggesting the thought a bustle atmosphere because she
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  didn't capture of our as well where you can.
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  Yes. Yes, it's running about and
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  which the quickest way out of here, whoo?
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  You know point the different direction but she does it in
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  Planet fire as well in what's the religion called common?
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  Oh yeah. Logo logo.
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  You know, there's lots of lots of worship has a and she does it
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  in Enlightenment. She was on the ship where
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  they're running around and you've got all those people in
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  different period costumes. Yeah.
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  And it is a skill because in Warriors of the deep and time
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  lash, you have scenes of a lot of extras million about helping
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  with. Yeah exactly.
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  So it is, it is definitely a skill to pull off.
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  A lot of extras, looking busy. Yes.
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  I love the lighting in the interior of that cave there.
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  I just talked to who is always over lik mama mama, mama it is
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  not always overlit. They people forget about the
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  bits where it's not overlooked because they're not looking at
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  it. Hey, have you ever been this
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  Yolanda sitting there on the bed?
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  Feeling, sorry for himself. You ever been like that?
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  I spent my teenage years like that.
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  I'll spend every other night doing nothing.
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  It should look awful but it works in this world and again
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  this is why when they pull out that clip of Martin clunes.
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  Oh yeah. Look it always looks awful
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  because it's taken out of context but in the context of
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  the story in absolutely works, it is part of this world and all
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  they're doing is pulling out a costume for a cheap laugh with
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  an actor who's gone on to really good things.
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  But actually, then because they Watch the preceding 90 minutes.
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  You don't know what has worked up to that and so you can have a
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  laugh at that and doubles and Doctor Who's silly, but it
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  wasn't in context. That's not a silly clip at all.
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  Yeah, somebody might just might do that with a clip of The
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  Tomorrow. People of two people flying
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  about and hyperspace like I did on Twitter yesterday.
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  It's entirely possible, but its necessary people.
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  So, that is always funny there. It's not tell you, I mean, I
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  watched the tomorrow. Well, pilot yesterday and I'm
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  watching this today and they are a world apart.
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  And, and, and I think this is possibly sort of up there with
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  bits of all to Doomsday and warriors Gates, which are the
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  most new romantic episodes of Doctor Who.
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  So you've got all the bands are dressing like long soda.
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  So, Spandau Ballet, particularly would come on, top of the pops
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  in big. Pirate shirts, and weird,
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  trousers, and things like that. So it's very much of its I own,
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  this was filmed in 1982, so maybe by 1983 that sort of dying
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  down a bit but certainly that 81 to 82 periods.
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  You'd get people on TV dressed like this.
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  You see what Lawns wearing now? Sort of big big shirt.
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  You know, the big? Yeah.
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  Uh, huh. You know what?
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  Basically? What David Bowie's wearing in
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  Labyrinth. Yeah.
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  Exactly. Or or it's quite Adam Ant who
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  was big at the time and there are some lusted after him
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  terribly. Every time he comes, yes, thing
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  to do top of that's right to top of the pops.
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  He started frothing, I'm telling all sorry.
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  I do like this though. The fact that the only thing
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  that could possibly get him. Exciting is Janet field is 0 and
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  we used to mimic that that sort of Mara handheld thing with the
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  snake going across it. I'm doing it now on screen.
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  Constable early convincing. I must say, you know, one thing
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  I realize as well is that there is an awful lot of you can hear
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  Fraser now sighing in the background, Exposition in this
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  episode, there's an awful lot because they are painting the
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  picture of the mara, Mara takes over people, the conflict in the
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  past. But you always so clever one
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  because it's back in the back and forth between the Doctor Who
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  Says and running between two sets.
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  Yes, you say, hey, it's so dynamic because Peter Davis is
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  Doctor, when he gets the idea in his head, he talks fast and he's
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  like, Pete. He's like Pete Lambert when he
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  and, you know, I gotta get all these bolts out of his head and
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  he's working on this and he's dashing around and he's
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  wonderful, he's even given. Yeah.
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  My phrasal banged on about, you know, the visuals of Gallifrey
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  and all that. But actually here it's much
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  simpler than that you've got the pictograms on the wall as well.
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  So there's a visual representation of what Yeah, so
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  you can Dash between and see all this is the snake that's on this
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  thing and that's where the great Crystal must go.
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  And he's working out working it out and it's not he doesn't know
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  it before he comes in. He's working it out as the story
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  needs it on exactly where its properties.
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  If only, we can take a look at the great Crystal.
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  Hello, do you just you dig in the background looking sleepy?
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  And she doesn't want to do go on.
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  It's so yeah, I'm sure he would have found it.
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  But, you know, you've got, you've got a very nice Lighting
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  in that scene. Yes, lots of prop is very warm
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  lighting, really nice music playing as well, it, yes, it
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  feels like a dinner. A sophisticated dinner party
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  coming absolutely conjures. Up an atmosphere in every single
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  scene. Yes, I think she was what a
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  giant he's savviest choices of director.
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  Yeah. And it's such a shame.
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  She wasn't back after 21. I know they should have been
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  back for 20, the original 23. She's just been there all the
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  way through what she pinned into dew point of entry there.
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  Barbara know she was going to do the ultimate Evil?
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  Oh Christ, yeah, exactly. Where anyone could have pulled
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  it off. Okay, so what's occurring now?
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  I'm alone. Yep, Tegan and Lawn are
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  exploring and this is a bit where she uses the snake tattoo
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  to open the door. And I remember this because
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  there was a feature that I have never seen since that was on on
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  some TV program, might have been on breakfast time or something
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  with dick. Mills talking about how to make
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  the noise of a rock door opening and it featured him dragging.
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  Being a big Stone over, another Stone.
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  Like a lump of slate or something, and then saying, and
• 24:08
  then you take it down and you slow it down.
• 24:11
  So it sounds bigger and noisier because it's a big door.
• 24:15
  I'd love to see that again. Why was that not on the DVD?
• 24:18
  No one remembered that it exists.
• 24:20
  I don't think we can not say where shortchanged on these
• 24:22
  DVDs. No, I don't think so.
• 24:24
  But that was one of the things that sort of started me on my
• 24:27
  love of the radio, phonic workshop and all the sound
• 24:29
  effects and thinking about that. Because but I know about this In
• 24:33
  every country I've done recently about the sound effects and the
• 24:36
  work you do to create a sphere. You know, there was a wonderful
• 24:41
  control saying you had Davidson dashing about that cave.
• 24:44
  Yes, full of energy and then in the Tardis, he's completely
• 24:47
  still. Yes, he's different.
• 24:49
  Yes. Island.
• 24:50
  You know and then at the end of that scene you guys will try
• 24:53
  another way and it's on again, he's crying.
• 24:58
  I don't often say that about Davison as the dogs.
• 25:00
  You don't. But I know, I think they're all
• 25:04
  the time he's subtle and so he get a bit lost in stories where
• 25:09
  there's big actors and big performances, and you can see on
• 25:14
  the Castro valve are extras and things, but he's just
• 25:17
  embarrassed by doing Cliffhanger acting in the way that Colin
• 25:20
  Baker, just Embraces it. He's not that kind of actor.
• 25:24
  Colin Baker and so, A story where he gets to be fought for
• 25:33
  and deductive works for his doctor better and works for
• 25:36
  Peter Davison better because it's playing to his strengths.
• 25:40
  And again, he doesn't always get stories that play to his
• 25:45
  strengths, I think. But I do think there's three
• 25:49
  stories in Davison's run where I think he probably gives the best
• 25:56
  performances as the doctor in the entire run.
• 26:00
  And that's This that's Frontier Sanders case.
• 26:03
  Managers are me. I'd absolutely agree.
• 26:06
  I-i've been he's magnificent in front of your side, it's just
• 26:12
  for the first time in such a long time.
• 26:14
  He's written properly because Christopher h b, meet knows the
• 26:18
  fifth doctor how the fifth doctor should.
• 26:20
  If it does make you wonder, doesn't it of what it could have
• 26:22
  been like? Again I think we've talked about
• 26:25
  this before. We might talk about this off
• 26:26
  camera before about what the Christopher age bit Mead, Fifth
• 26:30
  Doctor are Could have been where you've got Eric's a bird coming
• 26:35
  in with your big action stories, but you've got these for
• 26:38
  thoughtful and clever and magical stories as well.
• 26:41
  I the favorites of of this era for me are cast, revolver and
• 26:46
  Kinder and Earth, shock and snake.
• 26:48
  Dance, and Enlightenment, and Frontiers and caves of
• 26:51
  androzani. I've been good, but it's worth
• 26:54
  giving likes award his credit that he did commission those
• 26:57
  stories. He yeah, I mean, as an era it's
• 27:01
  It's all over the place. You, you know, it's difficult to
• 27:06
  describe because it does so much stuff.
• 27:10
  And we got story on story. You've gone from Gallifrey and
• 27:15
  Amsterdam and a big run around at the start of this is this
• 27:19
  really fought for one and then you've got a time travel story
• 27:22
  and then you've got Grand Space Opera, that's not as Grand as it
• 27:25
  should have been. Then you got really Grand
• 27:28
  surreal odd Space Opera and then the historical.
• 27:31
  Stupid robot, but do you know? I think when I started doing
• 27:35
  this podcast? Yeah.
• 27:37
  I figured all the Hinchcliffe stories will be snapped up like
• 27:39
  immediately. Yeah, I'll tell you.
• 27:41
  It was the 80s. Everyone wanted the AES, whether
• 27:44
  it was for good 80s or the bad days and I really, I find it
• 27:49
  quite exciting that not only your right is like the tone from
• 27:54
  story to story is so different and the genre and the pace of it
• 27:57
  and everything. But the quality as well, it's
• 28:00
  such an eclectic. Era of the show.
• 28:02
  Yeah, that if you don't like one story, they'll be a story along
• 28:05
  for you next week because it's completely and utterly
• 28:09
  different. But I think when you watch
• 28:10
  something like this, it does rather belie the fallacy that
• 28:15
  the 80s was a write-off. Know, all the 80s was not a
• 28:18
  right. I wouldn't be here if it wasn't
• 28:20
  for a cheese Doctor Who because this is this is very much my
• 28:24
  era. I do think the 80s is
• 28:26
  responsible for one terrifying thing though and that is the
• 28:31
  sort of Of corner of fandom. The things they own Doctor Who?
• 28:36
  Because? Yeah, obviously Jones.
• 28:38
  He gave them that voice. Yeah.
• 28:40
  Exactly. And that carries on to this day.
• 28:43
  What are you talking about? This is my show.
• 28:48
  Joe always have but it's right. Indeed.
• 28:55
  It did. We had had teasing ducktail
• 28:59
  Cliffhanger with lawn talking in Tegan's voice and, and things
• 29:04
  you have another scary one creepy Cliffhanger.
• 29:08
  I know, now I've got a week to wait for the next episode.
• 29:11
  Well, what's up? Time.
• 29:13
  Well I've got to go to school. I think really what you got.
• 29:17
  Yeah, we do it. I'll people doing the Romans as
• 29:19
  topics at the moment, if I remember correctly, that sounds
• 29:23
  absolutely gripping. You know what right I really ate
• 29:26
  mr. Woodward he always gives me
• 29:28
  extra homework. Well it was scribbling my latest
• 29:32
  Doctor Who epic. That's right.
• 29:35
  I've got lovely mrs. Our fee as my English teacher
• 29:37
  and she's wonderful more of our child.