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Why did “temperament” and “character” issues destroy Porter/Swalwell but not Platner? · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

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  Speaker 1: you at back in the Relief Factor studio. Thanks Alex
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  Speaker 1: Marlowe for sitting in for me on Monday and Tuesday.
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  Speaker 1: I was out in California for the main event, the
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  Speaker 1: election yesday. I flew back yesterday but for the memorial
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  Speaker 1: service for my friend but the contractor, and then went
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  Speaker 1: to a conference up north, but then flew back and
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  Speaker 1: watched the election with astonished eyes. This morning I went
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  Speaker 1: on Fox and Friends and said, I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: I can say Steve Hilton will be in the runoff
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  Speaker 1: or Spencer Pratt will be in the runoff, because these
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  Speaker 1: things are always changing. For ten days, let's get John
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  Speaker 1: Campbell on. Former Congressman, former State Senator from California, former
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  Speaker 1: Member of the Assembly from California, former successful big business
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  Speaker 1: man in California. He's really a California it's hiding in Arizona.
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  Speaker 1: All of his family lives in California. He was born
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  Speaker 1: in California, so he's really responsible for what's happened to California.
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  Speaker 1: So why don't you tell us what happened last night, John,
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  Speaker 1: and what's going to happen with the county?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, let's first talk about the counting and what's left.
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  Speaker 2: So we understand the landscape here. About forty percent of
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  Speaker 2: the votes remain uncounted, and they have thirty seven days.
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  Speaker 3: I did not make that number up. It's on the.
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  Speaker 2: California Secretary of State's website. They have thirty seven days
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  Speaker 2: to count. Their ballots can be received as late as
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  Speaker 2: I believe, ten days from now, and they will still
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  Speaker 2: count them. So a whole lot of ballots haven't even
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  Speaker 2: been received. So when you say forty percent are on county,
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  Speaker 2: you really don't even know that because you don't know
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  Speaker 2: how many are going to come in that were mailed
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  Speaker 2: yesterday or today or whatever. It's it's ridiculous. I have
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  Speaker 2: said for a long time that California elections are not
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  Speaker 2: really completely fit, and we also know let's remember this that,
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  Speaker 2: and we have evidence of that. Animals have voted, illegal
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  Speaker 2: aliens have voted.
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  Speaker 3: Dead, people have voted. People who had moved out of
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  Speaker 3: California ten.
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  Speaker 2: Years earlier had voted. There's evidence of all that happening.
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  Speaker 2: So taking all that aside, let's look at.
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  Speaker 3: Where we are.
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  Speaker 2: It's my opinion that both Steve Hilton and Spencer Pratt
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  Speaker 2: will make a runoff.
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  Speaker 3: And the reason is this, if it was.
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  Speaker 2: I've long said that after election night, if a Conservative
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  Speaker 2: or a Republican is not ahead by ten or more points,
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  Speaker 2: that they're still likely to lose because all the ballots.
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  Speaker 3: Don't come from now will be hugely left.
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  Speaker 2: I remember some of the congressional races, and this is
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  Speaker 2: ten years ago that I was involved with, where it
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  Speaker 2: was fifty one forty nine on election night and then
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  Speaker 2: eighty percent of the ballots from then on voted Democrat
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  Speaker 2: eighty after that, which is why I remember.
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  Speaker 3: Talking with Kevin McCarthy about this, and we said that
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  Speaker 3: just can't be statistically, that cannot happen.
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  Speaker 2: So these are ballot harvesting, These are people picking them up.
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  Speaker 2: You know, they mail out twenty million ballots in California.
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  Speaker 2: You pick them up off the street, fill them in
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  Speaker 2: for somebody, and mail them in And so there's that,
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  Speaker 2: and that will happen. But the whole deal, if you're
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  Speaker 2: not up by ten or more is if it's one
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  Speaker 2: on one.
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  Speaker 3: These aren't one on one. These are so when you think.
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  Speaker 2: About let's take the Steve Hilton race for governor of California.
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  Speaker 2: He is eight points at the moment ahead of Tom Steyer,
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  Speaker 2: who is third in the race. So under my scenario,
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  Speaker 2: I'd say, all right, he's in danger, he's in jeopardy.
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  Speaker 2: Tom Styre could easily pick up nine or ten points
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  Speaker 2: with the ballots that are counted in the next ten
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  Speaker 2: ten days. But here's the thing. Not all those ballots
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  Speaker 2: will be for Tom Steyer. Some of them will be
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  Speaker 2: for hot you or Besserah who's leading. It's not a
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  Speaker 2: one These are not two way races. These are three
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  Speaker 2: way races, both of them. So if if I thought
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  Speaker 2: all the lefty ballots were going to go for Tom
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  Speaker 2: Steyer that were left to be counted, I'd say Hilton's
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  Speaker 2: in trouble.
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  Speaker 3: But I don't. But they won't.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of them will be Besarah ballots, and so
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  Speaker 2: tom Steyer has to pick up enough.
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  Speaker 3: And I haven't had time to.
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  Speaker 2: Actually do the math and figure out just what percentage
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  Speaker 2: of the votes from here on would tom Steyer have
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  Speaker 2: to get to get him into second place, but I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure it's a lot. And the same is the case
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  Speaker 2: with the Mayor of la race. With Spencer Pratt, he
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  Speaker 2: has eight points. He's first, different than where but all
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  Speaker 2: that matters is how far ahead of third place are you?
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  Speaker 2: And he has eight points ahead of the Nittya Rahman,
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  Speaker 2: the Mandami clone, who is in third place. And again,
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  Speaker 2: if it was just the two of them, I'd say
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  Speaker 2: he's probably going to lose. But an awful lot of
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  Speaker 2: the votes that are going to come are going to
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  Speaker 2: go for Karen Bass in my opinion, and so I
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  Speaker 2: think those two will probably make it to the general.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, that's a very good argument. I feel much
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  Speaker 1: better hearing that, because you're right. You've long said the
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  Speaker 1: ten percent rule applies. You've got to be head by
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  Speaker 1: eleven or they'll catch you in the endless recount that
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  Speaker 1: goes on. I have a question about Spencer Pratt and
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  Speaker 1: about Steve Hillton. You really are an Angelina. You were
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  Speaker 1: born there, you were raised there, you went to UCLA
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  Speaker 1: there for usc you.
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  Speaker 3: Are twenty three years of my life. The Caffe Missus
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  Speaker 3: Campbell and I were married there.
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  Speaker 1: So yes, okay, So if the phone rings and it's
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  Speaker 1: Spencer Pratt, because you're an Angelino as well as a
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  Speaker 1: California and you were in the Assembly and the Senate,
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  Speaker 1: in the count and Spencer Pratt says, I may win this.
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  Speaker 1: I need to assemble a team. Would you be my
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  Speaker 1: chief of staff or deputy chief of staff? Can I
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  Speaker 1: tell the people of Los Angeles that John Campbell will
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  Speaker 1: come and actually help me, because you know how to
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  Speaker 1: do this, you actually know.
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  Speaker 4: But I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to live in LA even though anymore,
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  Speaker 2: even in eighteen seventy eighteen seventy eight, as an unofficial, unofficial,
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  Speaker 2: unpaid campaign consultant, I'd be happy or unofficial unpaid consultant,
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  Speaker 2: I'd be happy to help because I certainly would like
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  Speaker 2: to see La. I remember when you know, the Randy
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  Speaker 2: Newman song I Love La came out. I sang that
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  Speaker 2: thing with Gusto and I believed it.
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  Speaker 3: I was, I was truly I loved La and I did.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, how could you not.
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  Speaker 2: We'd go to dinner and you know, there'd be Frank
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  Speaker 2: Sinatra sitting over at the table over there in Dean
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  Speaker 2: Martin over there.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it was a great place to live and
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  Speaker 3: grow up.
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  Speaker 2: Not so much anymore, but uh so. But let's talk
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  Speaker 2: about Spencer Pratt for a minute. I think his campaign,
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  Speaker 2: you know, with these AI generated videos, has been brilliant.
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  Speaker 2: And I have to tell you the campaign people I
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  Speaker 2: know around the country are watching this carefully. Here's a
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  Speaker 2: guy it was almost a laughing stock when.
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  Speaker 3: He entered the He's a reality TV star running up
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  Speaker 3: against the establishment in a in a city that's I think,
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  Speaker 3: what And he's a Republican in a city that's eighteen
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  Speaker 3: percent Republican.
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  Speaker 1: I believe, right, what a joke?
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  Speaker 3: What's that?
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  Speaker 1: I said, right, yeah, shaved as a joke?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely a joke.
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  Speaker 2: But those those videos and all that were brilliant, absolutely brilliant,
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  Speaker 2: and they got millions of views.
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  Speaker 3: Now, yes, all those millions of views. The vast majority
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  Speaker 3: of those people do not live in the city of
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  Speaker 3: Los Angeles. It couldn't vote for him.
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  Speaker 2: But it didn't matter. He turned to he made a
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  Speaker 2: race in LA and national race. Like most races for
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  Speaker 2: the for New York City are but suddenly Los Angeles
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  Speaker 2: was a national race and it was brilliant, and campaign
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  Speaker 2: people around the world are saying, maybe those mailers we
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  Speaker 2: stuff and everybody's boxes cost a fortune the mill out,
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  Speaker 2: Maybe we need to do some more AI videos.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, quick question.
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  Speaker 1: He's got a better chance of winning Hilton or Pratt?
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  Speaker 3: I think Pratt.
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  Speaker 2: And I know some other people I've spoken with this
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  Speaker 2: morning who disagree with me, but I think Pratt does
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  Speaker 2: just because and I know Karen bass I served where
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  Speaker 2: her in the legislature and in Congress. I knew her
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  Speaker 2: quite well, and we're from the same state in Congress,
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  Speaker 2: et cetera.
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  Speaker 3: I also thought she was a very nice lady. Not
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  Speaker 3: the sharpest tool in the shed, but she I think
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  Speaker 3: she has she has a floor.
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  Speaker 2: There's people who are going to vote for her, but
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  Speaker 2: I think she has a ceiling as well.
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  Speaker 3: And how many of the nittte Raman.
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  Speaker 2: Are these other voters voted for whoever they voted for
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  Speaker 2: because they just they just think they need to do
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  Speaker 2: something different that might come over for Pratt. So I
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  Speaker 2: think he's I honestly believe he's got a shot well
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  Speaker 2: and Hilton has a shot as well. I just think
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  Speaker 2: that's more difficult because of the union money and the
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  Speaker 2: national money and everything that will come in statewide.
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  Speaker 3: He'll be he'll be absolutely overwhelmed with money and union
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  Speaker 3: effects and all that.
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  Speaker 1: He's going to have to live on shows like this.
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  Speaker 1: But here's my question for you. If if either of
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  Speaker 1: them can win, can either of them actually change things.
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  Speaker 1: California's constitution gives the governor very strong emergency powers, So
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  Speaker 1: I think Hilton could change. Say, I'm not sure anyone
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  Speaker 1: can say to La right now, what do you think?
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  Speaker 3: Well, the city council is bad.
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  Speaker 2: And I was actually listening to a podcast earlier from
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  Speaker 2: our friend John Fleischman, who you know about the city
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  Speaker 2: council races, and I guess a couple of Even though
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  Speaker 2: Nitya Rahman lost or it looks like we think that
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  Speaker 2: she's going to lose for mayor several other democratic socialists
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  Speaker 2: so called you and I know they're really kind of communists,
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  Speaker 2: but Madami Clones were elected to the city council.
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  Speaker 3: So the city council is hugely, hugely left. Exactly the power.
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  Speaker 2: He has as mayor to turn things around. I think
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  Speaker 2: he can have an impact. Does he save Los Angeles
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  Speaker 2: on his own? Probably not, but he certainly could have
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  Speaker 2: an impact. And the same thing with Steve Hilton. If
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  Speaker 2: they stop LA and or California from getting worse, that
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  Speaker 2: would be a tremendous improvement, because right, all right to Steve.
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  Speaker 1: Hilton and Spencer Pratt call me. I'll give you John
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  Speaker 1: Campbell's phone number. He's agreed to work for you. You
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  Speaker 1: heard it right here. He's agreed to return to California
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  Speaker 1: and be your chiefest path. He can get the band
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  Speaker 1: back together, Tom Campbell, they can call in Pete Wilson.
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  Speaker 1: They actually know what's going on. John Campbell's coming home.
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  Speaker 1: If either of you win and you call him, Thank you, John.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be right back in America's K two. Brogham back America,
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  Speaker 1: I'm do Hewett lac Rockman, senior writer for National Review,
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  Speaker 1: joins me. Noah is the author of the brand new
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  Speaker 1: bestseller Blood and Progress, and we're gonna be talking about
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  Speaker 1: issues dealt within Blood in Progress and maybe even just
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  Speaker 1: positively in Blood in Progress, Noah. In the last three months,
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  Speaker 1: Katie Porter was destroyed by temperament issues and Eric Swalaw
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  Speaker 1: had to withdraw from the California governor's race because of
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  Speaker 1: character issues. Why did they both have to go? But
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  Speaker 1: Graham Plattner is still in.
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  Speaker 6: Because Graham Platner is politically viable and those other two
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  Speaker 6: were expendable. And it took a fair amount of time
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  Speaker 6: in which Swallwell's interpersonal issues and Katy and miss Porter's
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  Speaker 6: temperamental issues were pretty visible to the public, visible to
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  Speaker 6: us at least those who follow us follow politics closely,
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  Speaker 6: but they skated along too as long as they had
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  Speaker 6: political utility. Swawall's political utility was used up when he
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  Speaker 6: was emerging as as somebody who was going to allow
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  Speaker 6: for the prospect when the vote was so divided in
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  Speaker 6: California of two Republicans ascending to the to the runoff
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  Speaker 6: in November, and he just became an obstacle. Likewise, Katie
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  Speaker 6: Porter just lost a race for Congress and therefore had
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  Speaker 6: become an.
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  Speaker 7: Expendable political figure.
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  Speaker 6: By contrast, the key to Democratic Senate hopes rests in
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  Speaker 6: a variety of states, but main primarily among them. They
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  Speaker 6: can't simply can't afford to cast Platner off.
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  Speaker 7: He's just too useful.
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  Speaker 1: Let me play for you, Chuck Schumer yesterday. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think you're a Judge fan or a Patriots fan, so
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  Speaker 1: you might not be familiar with the Bill Belichick on
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  Speaker 1: to Cincinnati famous refrain. But this is Chuck Schumer's on
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  Speaker 1: the Cincinnati moment from yesterday, cut number two.
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  Speaker 5: Thanks. I met with Graham plattin today. We're going to
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  Speaker 5: beat Susan Collins take back the city.
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  Speaker 8: So you're saying that Dan mill is your candidate rather
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  Speaker 8: Tief to get back in.
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  Speaker 3: You're standing behind Grandpa.
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  Speaker 5: We're going to beat Susan villain and take back descent. Yes,
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  Speaker 5: does jerkenstity fine?
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  Speaker 3: Frank Putner?
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  Speaker 5: Is that for the provility and we're going to take that.
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  Speaker 9: We're going to beat Susan Collins and take that. Any
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  Speaker 9: other subject or got any other subject? Yes, yes, you're
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  Speaker 9: right there, unsustained. We're going to beat Susan Collins, can
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  Speaker 9: take back to decide.
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  Speaker 5: You have not said you're still endorsing Grandpa? Are you
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  Speaker 5: still supporting the grand Plass?
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  Speaker 9: I said, I endorsed Graham Patner. We're going to take back.
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  Speaker 9: We're gonna beat Susan Collins can take back descent.
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  Speaker 1: Oh Noah, what did you make? That's message discipline is it.
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  Speaker 7: I'm stunned. That was an amazing clip.
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  Speaker 6: You could practically see the gun pointed at his back.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it was a hostage tape.
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  Speaker 6: What astounding cowardice. Obviously he's under duress and he doesn't
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  Speaker 6: want to get crosswise with the activist class which has
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  Speaker 6: invested all its hopes and dreams, and they're fellow radical
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  Speaker 6: So yeah, he's not going to offend them. Of Course,
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  Speaker 6: he wants Janet Mills to unsuspend her campaign. Of course
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  Speaker 6: he would prefer to her to be the nominee against
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  Speaker 6: Susan Collins. I still believe Pole's notwithstanding that she would
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  Speaker 6: stand a better shot in a general election.
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  Speaker 7: Well, ability and.
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  Speaker 1: Back to button progress. Is Graham Plattner foreshadowed by Blood
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  Speaker 1: and Progress? Is he actually the blood and Progress candidate?
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  Speaker 6: He may be, to the degree that he's entertained political
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  Speaker 6: violence as an instrument of political utility, domestic political utility.
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  Speaker 7: He's defended it.
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  Speaker 6: He defended it in an interview with The New York
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  Speaker 6: Times where he said, we didn't defeat the Nazis with smiles.
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  Speaker 6: As long as he erects an elaborate analogy in which
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  Speaker 6: the Republican Party manifests in his mind as the reincarnation
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  Speaker 6: of the National Socialist Democratic Party of Germany. He's justifying
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  Speaker 6: violence against people who he disagrees with, and maybe he
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  Speaker 6: doesn't mean it, but that doesn't mean There are a
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  Speaker 6: lot of individuals in the audience for this sort of
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  Speaker 6: thing who do and that's all that this there's a
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  Speaker 6: very big portion of blood and progress that has devoted
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  Speaker 6: to the degree to which well meaning Democrats nevertheless erect
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  Speaker 6: a permission structure around violence because they see a romantic
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  Speaker 6: expression of zeal in it that they could harness and
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  Speaker 6: wield and direct at their adversaries. It's always a misconception.
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  Speaker 6: It always comes for you eventually, but they fall for
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  Speaker 6: it every single time.
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  Speaker 1: Now I think it's a little bit more matter of fact.
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  Speaker 1: Why Grant Platter is in here. Someone thought they could
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  Speaker 1: make money off of him because he's the rebel with
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  Speaker 1: a cause, But he does fit like a piece in
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  Speaker 1: your puzzle. My question is, now that that's been exposed
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  Speaker 1: and more's coming, I'm convinced more is coming. Do you
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  Speaker 1: think main voters are actually main voters vote for Susan
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  Speaker 1: Collins and Angus King. There's center right and center left.
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  Speaker 1: They're both on the Senate Intel Committee, which means they're
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  Speaker 1: both highly trusted. She's chairwoman of Appropriation. Do you think
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  Speaker 1: Maine is going to throw her overboard for Grand Platner?
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  Speaker 7: Listen, I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: The environment is not going to be great for Republicans
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  Speaker 6: in November, so I'm not ruling out the prospect that
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  Speaker 6: a wave election could carry a lot of seats with
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  Speaker 6: it that otherwise wouldn't be in play. But it is
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  Speaker 6: a lopsided contest for those voters in Maine who lean
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  Speaker 6: into professionalism and seniority and the command of committee assignments.
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  Speaker 6: That's the sort of thing that a responsible, educated voter
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  Speaker 6: would look into, and main voters are unusually independent and
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  Speaker 6: independent minor voters have a tendency to evaluate both parties
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  Speaker 6: more objectively than died in the world of partisans. But
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  Speaker 6: when it comes to the themes in blood and progress,
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  Speaker 6: what I'm watching when it comes to Senate figures in
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  Speaker 6: the Senate is Andy Kim's effort to create create the
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  Speaker 6: chaos that he's simultaneously denouncing in my home state in Newark,
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  Speaker 6: New Jersey, from the Delainey Detention facility, which he's he's
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  Speaker 6: spent the better than the Democratic Party in New Jersey
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  Speaker 6: has spent the better part of a week agitating in
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  Speaker 6: favor of the Kafia clad demonstrators who routinely assault police officers.
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  Speaker 6: Are deployed our subjects to crowd dispersal ordinance because they
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  Speaker 6: are impeding police's work. And according to Tom Holman and
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  Speaker 6: back images he showed us over the week biting and
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  Speaker 6: beating police officers. Bloody, that's just happened under our noses.
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  Speaker 6: Very few are paying attention to it, despite Andy Kim's
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  Speaker 6: efforts to direct your attention to it. He wants to,
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  Speaker 6: he wants a campaign on it, but it's just become
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  Speaker 6: background radiation to us, this level of violence in the streets,
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  Speaker 6: We're just inured to it.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: What do you make or maybe we're not? No, you
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: know no. I get an event two nights ago with
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: two Democrats too, and I was one of two Republicans,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: and the border never came up. And it's a left
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: wing audience up in northern California. So the border never
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: came up. But the border is still an issue, isn't it?
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Can't Republicans still make it an issue. And contrast the
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: border under Donald Trump and the border under Joe Biden.
• 18:08
  Speaker 7: I suppose they can.
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: The problem in politics is you never get credit for
• 18:11
  Speaker 6: a problem you solved. So it's just not a very
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: salient issue right now, only because it's no longer the crisis,
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: the migration crisis over which Joe Biden presided.
• 18:20
  Speaker 7: So mission accomplished.
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: But at the same time, you deprive yourself of an
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: issue set that has profound salience among voters. So yeah,
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: they can say mission accomplished, congratulate us, and many voters will,
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: but it's not going to enliven those who are focused
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: on today's problems, which happen to be more cute.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: But the detention center which you just referred to, is full,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: being in part because of the Biden administration's policies. Do
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: you think that the latter keeps the former memory alive.
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: It's possible, It's very possible. But it also requires you
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: to have a long memory, and maybe most voters do.
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: Maybe I'm not giving them a lot of credit for it.
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: But what the activist class is alleging is there, and
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: if you listen to them, some.
• 19:01
  Speaker 7: Of whom have been quoted in.
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: Print basically alleging that this is a concentration camp quote unquote,
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: the abuses that they allege are going on behind closed
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: doors should be verifiable, and yet they're not.
• 19:12
  Speaker 7: And when anything talks.
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: About it, he actually says, well, their cases aren't moving
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: fast enough for their liking, which is not dack.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Out now, and in fact, it's an insult to the
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: American law enforcement profession who are doing the world's finest
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: jobs of humane care of prisiners. Nos C Rothman, thank
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: you for joining us. Follow him at exit, NOSC Rockman,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: read him in National View, and get blood and progress.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: I'll be right back welco back America. I'm yet joined
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: by Sarah C. Bedford, senior investigation reporter at DC Examiner
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: dot com The Washington Examiner. Sarah, did you have a
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: chance to see any of Secretary Rubio today owning every
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: dem on the House Foreign Affairs Committee.
• 19:56
  Speaker 10: I've seen the clips of it, and you know, he
• 19:59
  Speaker 10: used to be up there on the dio, so he
• 20:01
  Speaker 10: knows how it goes and clearly has a command of
• 20:05
  Speaker 10: what goes down.
• 20:05
  Speaker 7: In these hearings.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's pretty unflappable. I want to give the audience
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: just a taste. This is Ted Lew, one of our
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: least favorite congressmen, trying to get Marco Rubio on Donald
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Trump's leged infirmity cut number eleven.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: There's a reason he keeps going to the hospital and
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: they keep giving him cognitive tests.
• 20:25
  Speaker 11: We have not seen the president in eight days.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: The American people deserve the truth.
• 20:31
  Speaker 11: I yield back.
• 20:33
  Speaker 12: I don't even know how to respond to that, other
• 20:35
  Speaker 12: than to tell you that it's absurd and ridiculous, and
• 20:37
  Speaker 12: I can't believe. We're in a Foreign Affairs committee meeting
• 20:39
  Speaker 12: in front of the House, an important time in American
• 20:41
  Speaker 12: foreign policy. Just keep lying to Rubio, Just keep u
• 20:45
  Speaker 12: supposedly someone who thinks he's a medical expert when he's not.
• 20:48
  Speaker 12: The truth of the matter is we had a cognitively
• 20:50
  Speaker 12: impaired president in office a few years ago. That's a
• 20:52
  Speaker 12: cognitively impaired president. But I don't like to talk about
• 20:55
  Speaker 12: that because it weakens America. This president we have, this
• 20:58
  Speaker 12: is a guy that literally doesn't sleep. He works day
• 21:00
  Speaker 12: and night, long hours every single day. I don't know
• 21:03
  Speaker 12: if you haven't seen him in eight days. I saw
• 21:05
  Speaker 12: him yesterday. I didn't see him the day but yesterday,
• 21:06
  Speaker 12: because I was in Congress the day before, I talked
• 21:08
  Speaker 12: to him at all hours of the day and night.
• 21:10
  Speaker 12: He works in humane hours. Okay, I've been on foreign
• 21:14
  Speaker 12: trips with the President that he doesn't sleep in the
• 21:17
  Speaker 12: whole flight, and everyone else is sleeping on the plane,
• 21:19
  Speaker 12: and he's wandering in the hallways looking for someone to
• 21:22
  Speaker 12: wake up and talk to the people. So I don't
• 21:24
  Speaker 12: know what you're referring to, but he has an incredible
• 21:26
  Speaker 12: amount of energy.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, Lara Bedford, how does that look?
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Do you think to the American people? Ted Lue just
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: got owned.
• 21:35
  Speaker 7: He does.
• 21:35
  Speaker 10: I don't think that most Americans really have those concerns
• 21:39
  Speaker 10: about Trump's age, and the people who are raising them
• 21:43
  Speaker 10: don't have any credibility on this specific issue because they
• 21:46
  Speaker 10: were the ones defending Joe Biden when it was very
• 21:49
  Speaker 10: obvious in the few public appearances that Biden did make
• 21:53
  Speaker 10: that he was cognitively impaired. And what's interesting is that
• 21:56
  Speaker 10: what you heard from Rubio just now, very skillfully delivered,
• 22:00
  Speaker 10: was the same kind of argument that Biden's people would
• 22:03
  Speaker 10: make it his defense, like, oh, he's so energetic behind
• 22:05
  Speaker 10: the scenes, we can barely keep up. But the difference
• 22:08
  Speaker 10: is that the evidence of that is everywhere. Trump's constantly
• 22:13
  Speaker 10: picking up the phone for reporters, engaging with reporters, business
• 22:16
  Speaker 10: leaders all the time, even going I mean, there's a
• 22:19
  Speaker 10: story in the Wall Street Journal today about how he's
• 22:21
  Speaker 10: personally handling stuff that the FCC and the FTC staff
• 22:24
  Speaker 10: would normally do because he has such an interest across
• 22:27
  Speaker 10: so many different arenas. So the difference, it's the same defense,
• 22:30
  Speaker 10: but the differences that people actually.
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: Believe it because there's a lot of evidence to support.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: It, and people I don't believe this, But I have
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: to tell people if the President calls him wants to
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: be on the radio show we put him on, that
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: happened to you. In fact, that happened to you. We
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: had to say, Sarah, we're moving you up because Donald
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Trump decided he wanted to be on the radio today
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: and the Salem News Channel. So we do that. Now,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: let me turn to California. I was in California Thursday
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: night through yesterday morning. They appear to have sent Republican
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Steve Hilton and Bencher Pratt to the finals in November.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: How are you hearing reactions to that, because it's going
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: to mean that, at a minimum, it means the Democrats
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: are going to have to spend a whole lot more
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: money come November in California.
• 23:14
  Speaker 10: That's right, And it's baffling because California is such a
• 23:18
  Speaker 10: deeply blue state. They have such a deep bench of
• 23:20
  Speaker 10: Democrats that it's kind of shocking that they ended up
• 23:23
  Speaker 10: in these two marquee races with two extremely weak standard
• 23:27
  Speaker 10: bearers in Bisara and Bass. Butsarah especially, that was a
• 23:31
  Speaker 10: race that was really crowded with a bunch of different Democrats,
• 23:34
  Speaker 10: but some big names like former Vice President Kamala Harris
• 23:37
  Speaker 10: decided not to run. Eric Swalwell was taken out by
• 23:41
  Speaker 10: his own scandals, and what you were left with was
• 23:43
  Speaker 10: too really unappealing democrats in Tom Steyer and Xavier Bsera.
• 23:48
  Speaker 10: You have a state that's been poorly managed for years,
• 23:51
  Speaker 10: that's bleeding wealth, bleeding families, home to a growing number
• 23:55
  Speaker 10: of illegal immigrants that are draining social services, and in
• 24:00
  Speaker 10: the midst of that crisis an inflection point that Democrats
• 24:04
  Speaker 10: couldn't nominate anyone with charisma or any type of credibility
• 24:08
  Speaker 10: to fix those problems.
• 24:10
  Speaker 7: It's really kind of astounding.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Now I don't know what the final numbers will be.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: As John Campbell began the show with California has another
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: thirty five to forty days to count ballots. So I
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: think Steve Hilton will be in the race. I think
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Spencer Pratt will be in the race. Do you think
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: one of them might win?
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: Because it is.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: About just there, it's still as bad and it's getting worse.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Do you think one of them or both might win.
• 24:37
  Speaker 10: I think a lot would have to happen between now
• 24:39
  Speaker 10: and November. Right now, I mean, the landscape is just
• 24:42
  Speaker 10: tilted against Republicans in such a way that the pockets
• 24:46
  Speaker 10: of Republican voters in California, and you would need every
• 24:49
  Speaker 10: single one of them to turn out for Hilton and Pratt,
• 24:51
  Speaker 10: they might just be demoralized by the time November rolls around.
• 24:55
  Speaker 10: But the thing especially that Pratt has going for him
• 24:59
  Speaker 10: is that he it really isn't that partisan. He's not
• 25:02
  Speaker 10: that Republican coded he doesn't really talk about culture war issues,
• 25:05
  Speaker 10: he doesn't talk about Republican policies that are fundamental to conservatism,
• 25:10
  Speaker 10: like cutting taxes. He really just talks about fixing city
• 25:14
  Speaker 10: services and if he can sort of defy gravity on
• 25:17
  Speaker 10: whatever else is happening with the Republican Party and get
• 25:20
  Speaker 10: some sort of on the ground vote turnout operation. He
• 25:24
  Speaker 10: was not that far behind Karen Bass last I checked
• 25:28
  Speaker 10: the numbers, rolling in.
• 25:29
  Speaker 7: Four or five points.
• 25:30
  Speaker 10: That's not that big a gap to make up when
• 25:32
  Speaker 10: this becomes a two man race.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Moreover, we will have gone through another fire season by then.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: And the homeless it is the zombie apocalypse. Something I
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: use on Fox this morning. I always describe downtown LA
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: is the zombie apocalypse. People who don't go there don't
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: know what it means to have seventy five thousand homeless
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: people in the city and county of LA. It's everywhere,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: and it's a nightmare. Do you think it might help
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Republicans survive the blue wave that's coming that they've got
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: viable candidates holding the line in the five districts Republicans
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: are supposed to win and maybe a couple of marginal ones.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 26:12
  Speaker 10: Republicans are certainly beating Democrats the cycle and candidate recruitment.
• 26:16
  Speaker 10: Democrats are facing a sort of disaster, especially in Maine
• 26:20
  Speaker 10: with Groom Platner and so Republicans they don't really have
• 26:24
  Speaker 10: many wild cards who made it through the nomination the
• 26:28
  Speaker 10: primary process, which is good for them because it's going
• 26:31
  Speaker 10: to be a tough year.
• 26:31
  Speaker 7: They have strong candidates.
• 26:34
  Speaker 10: Defending or taking on incumbents running in these open sets,
• 26:37
  Speaker 10: so they're positioned well in a year that's otherwise kind
• 26:41
  Speaker 10: of tilted against them.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: No, you're right, and remember the red wave that didn't
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: really turn into a wave in twenty twenty two. That
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: was the red thunderstorm in various parts of the country
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: like Florida. That might happen to the blue We'll see.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: I'm still expecting a blue wave, but maybe it won't
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: be a tsunami. Sarah C. Bedford, thank you, as always
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: for joining us from the Washington Examiner. I'll be right
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: back America. Welcome back in America.
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: I'm Hugh.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: You hat no word on whether Marco Rubio has been
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: arrested for murder yet after what he did to Democrats
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: on the Foreign Relations Committee, Bethany Mandel, did you get
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: a chance to watch any of that today?
• 27:24
  Speaker 13: I didn't, but I saw that Representative Anna Luna was
• 27:28
  Speaker 13: assaulted by a member of the CPP. I'm sorry, I
• 27:31
  Speaker 13: mean code pink.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's the something same thing. And let me ask
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: you this, poor Katie Porter lost her temper a few times.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: I never thought you hear myself saying poor Katie Porter,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: and she got her knees cut off by the Democrats
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: in California. She finished in single digits yesterday. Then Eric
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Swallwell turns out to have been thuggish with women. He's
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: forced not only out of the race, but out of Congress.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: So that's the standard. That's what Democrats. Why is Graham
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Plattner still in this race.
• 28:03
  Speaker 13: I mean, we've got a week until the primary and
• 28:06
  Speaker 13: maybe that will change. But you know, it's interesting. The
• 28:11
  Speaker 13: New York Post talked to a lot of folks in
• 28:14
  Speaker 13: a restaurant yesterday in Maine, and they said, you know,
• 28:18
  Speaker 13: it's all bad, but the floor is so so low
• 28:21
  Speaker 13: on like the bar. I'm sorry, the bar is so
• 28:23
  Speaker 13: low on what we what we find acceptable in politicians.
• 28:27
  Speaker 13: But you know, maybe if maybe, if he's accused of
• 28:29
  Speaker 13: domestic violence or you know, something violent of that nature,
• 28:33
  Speaker 13: then then I would change my mind. And I just
• 28:35
  Speaker 13: found that to be an interesting statement because no one
• 28:38
  Speaker 13: would ever say that about someone like Marco Rubio or
• 28:41
  Speaker 13: Mitch McConnell or Pete Bootage Edge or Barack Obama. I
• 28:45
  Speaker 13: think that Maine voters have their ear to the ground
• 28:49
  Speaker 13: and realize that perhaps perhaps the guy with the Nazi tatch.
• 28:52
  Speaker 13: You might also have other character flaws.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: I will be lucky enough to spend enough time in
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Maine this summer with in laws and friends that I
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: will be going to get my ear to the ground.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: But let me let me bring up Chuck Schumer yesterday.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Have you heard this yet, Bethany Mandel, Chuck Schumer and
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: grand Platner yesterday. Okay, for that those folks from the
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: audience who didn't, here is a memorable one minute and
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: four seconds of Chuck Schumer on grand Platner cut number
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: two one.
• 29:18
  Speaker 9: Grand Platiner, are you satisfied with the explanations he's given
• 29:21
  Speaker 9: to do the controversies his campaign space?
• 29:23
  Speaker 12: Right now?
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: I met with grand Plattin today. We're going to beat
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: Susan Collins take back the sin. Are you so you're
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: saying that Jenn phil is your candid.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: Und get back in.
• 29:37
  Speaker 9: You're sending behind Grandpa, We're going to beat Susan good
• 29:42
  Speaker 9: and take back the center.
• 29:43
  Speaker 8: Yes, those city clime Rand Clutner, is that for the
• 29:48
  Speaker 8: pervility and attacking pen accent.
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: We're going to take that.
• 29:51
  Speaker 9: We're going to beat Susan Collins and take back the sin.
• 29:54
  Speaker 9: Any other subject or not any other subject. Yes, yes,
• 29:58
  Speaker 9: you're right there.
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: Give me that Chanel should unsustained working. We're gone with
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: the team. The Susan Collins can take back last one.
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: You have not said if he's still.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: Endorsing the grand are you still supporting.
• 30:13
  Speaker 9: The brand class I said, are endorsed Brand Platner. We're
• 30:16
  Speaker 9: going to take back will be Susan Collins can take.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Back as the SNY thank you for good and he
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: walks away. All right, Bethley Mandel, how's that look to you?
• 30:27
  Speaker 11: So?
• 30:27
  Speaker 13: I have a lot of thoughts on that. Actually, First
• 30:29
  Speaker 13: of all, he is pushed and pushed and pushed and
• 30:32
  Speaker 13: pushed in order to affirm that he has he has
• 30:36
  Speaker 13: maintained his endorsement. Clearly he's not that enthusiastic or wouldn't
• 30:40
  Speaker 13: have taken him five questions. This was just a regular
• 30:42
  Speaker 13: press conference that Democrats have every single week, and this
• 30:45
  Speaker 13: was a preview, and I think Chuck Schumer really got
• 30:48
  Speaker 13: a window into what life will be like if if
• 30:50
  Speaker 13: Brand Plattner is elected. He will be a constant headache,
• 30:54
  Speaker 13: a constant thorn in their side. This is not someone
• 30:57
  Speaker 13: they want to win and represent the party and define
• 31:00
  Speaker 13: the party. For the next six years or more. So
• 31:04
  Speaker 13: I think that he's already feeling exasperated. This should be
• 31:08
  Speaker 13: a message to Democrats. This is not this is not
• 31:11
  Speaker 13: the path forward for them. But you can tell that
• 31:14
  Speaker 13: Schummer is not enthusiastic about him anymore. And everyone on
• 31:18
  Speaker 13: planet Earth knows that there's more coming because every day
• 31:21
  Speaker 13: more comes.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right now. Meanwhile, that's East coast problem, West Coast
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Spencer Pratt made it looks like he's going to make
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: it to November, not done yet, and looks like Steve
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Hilton's going to make it to November. Last yek I
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: was talking about how the Republicans had to spend money
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: in Texas that they wouldn't have had to spend that
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: they nominated John Cornyn. But because Karen Bass is such
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: a god awful candidate, and because the nominee Javier but
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Sarah sent an empty suit, there might even be a
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Republican win out there. That's wild.
• 31:52
  Speaker 13: Yeah, no, it's really wild. And shout out to my
• 31:55
  Speaker 13: friends in California who have not given him the fright fight.
• 31:57
  Speaker 13: One of my friends, Alicia Cross, she's a writer.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Oh I love.
• 32:02
  Speaker 13: I love her, and I kind of thought she was
• 32:04
  Speaker 13: crazy and like, what are you doing? She's crazy and
• 32:06
  Speaker 13: she proved me wrong.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: She's crazy. Alicia used to do the morning show on
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: my affiliate out there in laklam A Tepany. The answer.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Now she's being a mom and good on her. But
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: I didn't know.
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: You do Adam Colla show.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, but she's doing podcasting now as opposed
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: to broadcasts. So I want to finish by saying this.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: I'm setting up next hour, I'm going to talk with
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: a vive Reddy Gore three segments, the first Lebanon War,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: the Second Lebanon War, in the current Lebanon War. Do
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: you think Americans have any idea of these forty years
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: of wars between Israel and the terrorists who live in
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: southern Lebanon. They've been different kinds of terror.
• 32:44
  Speaker 7: No, absolutely not no.
• 32:47
  Speaker 13: And what it has meant, especially for the last two
• 32:49
  Speaker 13: and a half years, for people to live in northern Israel,
• 32:51
  Speaker 13: constant rocket attacks, constant stress. You know, these are not
• 32:56
  Speaker 13: the dinky little rockets that come from Gaza. It's been
• 32:59
  Speaker 13: very scary for people who have lived in the north
• 33:01
  Speaker 13: of Israel for a long time. And it's why despite
• 33:04
  Speaker 13: the extreme fatigue that people feel about war that they're
• 33:08
  Speaker 13: not willing to just say okay until next time.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Now, I'm sure Aviev will tell me that they pulled
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: out in two thousand after eighteen years of war because
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: of the Four Mothers movement and the fact that casualties
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: were It was like our Afghanistan. It just went on
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: and on and on and we never made any progress.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Do you think Israel will pull out this time or
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: is it going to be thirty forty years in southern Lebanon.
• 33:34
  Speaker 13: I don't know, I really don't. I mean, I'm curious
• 33:36
  Speaker 13: to hear Haviv's read on that, because I just I
• 33:40
  Speaker 13: don't think that they can. I don't think they can
• 33:42
  Speaker 13: afford any of these options. There's no good options on
• 33:45
  Speaker 13: the table. You know, there's a funeral almost every single
• 33:48
  Speaker 13: day these days, and that is so exhausting. And you know,
• 33:52
  Speaker 13: all of the Israeli military is basically the reserves for
• 33:55
  Speaker 13: thirty It's thirty year old men who are serving and
• 33:58
  Speaker 13: they're taking time off of their family life and their
• 34:00
  Speaker 13: professional lives to serve and that can't go on forever.
• 34:03
  Speaker 13: But at the same time, neither can these constant missile attacks.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: So Bethanie last night I get off the plane at
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: nine o'clock and the Iranians have shot at our base
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: in Bahrain, They've shot at Kuwait. They may have shot
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: at Cutter as well, and I'm tired. I want the
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: president to use maximum force. What do you want?
• 34:24
  Speaker 13: I think that we need to stop kicking the can
• 34:26
  Speaker 13: down the road for so many reasons. First of all,
• 34:28
  Speaker 13: we just need to decisive victory in here, but also
• 34:32
  Speaker 13: the idea that they're somehow going to come a rational
• 34:36
  Speaker 13: player who comes to the table and wants to negotiate
• 34:39
  Speaker 13: in good faith. That will never happen. And I'm afraid
• 34:41
  Speaker 13: for Republicans we're looking at early June that if the
• 34:44
  Speaker 13: cam keeps on getting kicked down the road, that we're
• 34:46
  Speaker 13: going to look at high gas prices all summer long
• 34:48
  Speaker 13: and it's going to destroy our chances at the ballot box.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: I do think that's coming, but to the extent if
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: mercenaries were used. But this has been an idea introduced
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: by Eli Lake. Would you be okay with that? I
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: heard that.
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 35:05
  Speaker 13: I mean, Eli Like is smarter than I am, for sure,
• 35:07
  Speaker 13: but something has to be done.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Well. It was an innovation that I had not yet
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: and the Marines can go in there and win, but
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: they will lose men.
• 35:16
  Speaker 13: You said that on the commentary podcast.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: But yeah, but Eli introduced a new topic. I'll talk
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: to him about it on Friday. I want everyone to
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: go in and subscribe to Bethany's substact mymom Wars dot
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: substack dot com. Follow her on exit Bethany Shandark and
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: thank you Bethany for always being here. Welcome back, America.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: I'm Hewitt Jim Tallon, former senator from Missouri, frequent guest
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: on this program, guest of Dwayne on Dwayne's World on
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Tuesday nights, usually is here and I usually do national
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: security with you. I'm gonna do it, especially today. So
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Senator Talent, I got off the airplane last night. I've
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: been traveling all day and I see that Iran had
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: attacked Kuwait, that attacked Bahrain, and it was a pretty
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: bad attack on the airport in Kuwait. One dead. I
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: now just think it's urgent that President Trump give up
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: the idea that they're negotiating with us, and whether you're
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: just going to say, okay, blockade until they fall was
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: a fine, or go to combat operations at the highest
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: level that's fine too, but I don't think we can
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: pretend to go they're lunatics.
• 36:19
  Speaker 14: What do you think, Well, they're lunatics, but they act
• 36:24
  Speaker 14: rationally within their lunacy. They played their last card, which
• 36:29
  Speaker 14: is blocking straight and they're trying to show as much
• 36:32
  Speaker 14: fang as they can, I think, because they're trying to
• 36:35
  Speaker 14: get an agreement that's as favorable as they can.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: Look.
• 36:38
  Speaker 14: Look, I'll give you the context to you and then
• 36:40
  Speaker 14: i'll give you my speculation.
• 36:42
  Speaker 11: The context very quickly.
• 36:43
  Speaker 14: Two years ago, Iran controlled Syria, they controlled Lebanon, they
• 36:48
  Speaker 14: controlled Gaza, they controlled large parts of Yemen. They had
• 36:52
  Speaker 14: a very substantial ballistic and cruise missile arsenal, They had
• 36:57
  Speaker 14: an active nuclear weapons program, they had an avy, they
• 37:00
  Speaker 14: had an intact leadership, and they had a pretty vital
• 37:03
  Speaker 14: military industrial base.
• 37:05
  Speaker 11: And they don't have those things anymore.
• 37:07
  Speaker 14: So they have been reduced from the level of a
• 37:09
  Speaker 14: deadly threat to a problem that is manageable. And what
• 37:14
  Speaker 14: I think is the President is trying to transition this
• 37:17
  Speaker 14: to a time where we manage it with economic power,
• 37:21
  Speaker 14: with diplomatic leadership and occasional interventions, probably by the Israelis.
• 37:27
  Speaker 14: And so he's just trying to get us there.
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 37:30
  Speaker 14: I tend to agree with you that a further military
• 37:34
  Speaker 14: action is necessary and would be very desirable, But I
• 37:37
  Speaker 14: think what it ought to be is forcing the straight open.
• 37:41
  Speaker 14: It's true, we're sending you know where, what like seventy
• 37:44
  Speaker 14: ships that are sneaking out with their transponders out. This
• 37:48
  Speaker 14: is the question I would ask if I was in
• 37:50
  Speaker 14: the Oval Office having a diet cope with the President,
• 37:53
  Speaker 14: why don't we just open up the strait.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: I'm with you on that. I am also reminded of
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: the World War two analogy. You know, there's that great
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: new Eigenero movie out called Pressure, And after Normandy they
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: ran into a block at Saal Lou and so I
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: just called in. I know it was Curtis LeMay or
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: whoever was Tender or whoever it was, and they just
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: bombed Sanlu until there was nothing left of Sanlu. There's
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: only one hundred miles of straight adjacent to Iran. Can't
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: we just obliterate that? Tell the civilians to get out
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: and obliterate it.
• 38:31
  Speaker 11: Yeah, we can ask.
• 38:32
  Speaker 14: You could ask Mark Montgomery and the technical side of this.
• 38:34
  Speaker 14: From the briefings I've had in the past, you, we
• 38:37
  Speaker 14: probably cannot reduce the risk that they can get off
• 38:41
  Speaker 14: a missile. They have a few missiles left or a drone,
• 38:46
  Speaker 14: and so forcing open the Strait is going to contain
• 38:49
  Speaker 14: a very strong defensive component. You know, a dozen destroyers
• 38:55
  Speaker 14: positioning themselves between the freighters in the north side of
• 38:58
  Speaker 14: the strait, and air cover to first of all shoot off,
• 39:02
  Speaker 14: shoot down anything that is shot at the freighters, and
• 39:05
  Speaker 14: then to take out whatever's doing the shooting. So it's
• 39:09
  Speaker 14: going to be a largely defensive operation. I mean, the
• 39:11
  Speaker 14: late eighties we spent about a year escorting ships through
• 39:14
  Speaker 14: the Strait. We can do it again. And I think
• 39:18
  Speaker 14: if we did that, it would be checkmate. That's one
• 39:20
  Speaker 14: of the reasons I want to do. This is their
• 39:22
  Speaker 14: last move, This is the only thing they have left
• 39:25
  Speaker 14: on the board to do, and so I thought when
• 39:29
  Speaker 14: they launched Operation Project Freedom, I thought, this is it.
• 39:33
  Speaker 14: You know, we're moving the pieces forward. We got the
• 39:36
  Speaker 14: King in the corner and it's checkmate. And then they
• 39:38
  Speaker 14: stopped that.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Well, they hit the Kuwait airport. This is what makes
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: me worry is that they do have those missiles. The
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Ukrainian sunk the Moscow in the Black Sea, using drones.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: So I am afraid the longer we let them perfect
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: the gorilla drone strategy against moving ship, the better at
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: it they will get. And that we ought to keep
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: up pressure. Does that not wear you at all?
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: No?
• 40:06
  Speaker 14: I mean, look, additional kinetic attacks, and we talked about
• 40:10
  Speaker 14: this a couple of weeks ago. I think that's fine,
• 40:12
  Speaker 14: taking out whatever we can take out, but we got
• 40:15
  Speaker 14: to keep the strategic objective in mind here, which is
• 40:19
  Speaker 14: to if we'd like to, if we could, to cause
• 40:23
  Speaker 14: the regime to collapse, but in any event, to reduce
• 40:26
  Speaker 14: them to a state of impotence. And from a military perspective, yes,
• 40:30
  Speaker 14: they can shoot something at the Gulf States. Basically, they're
• 40:34
  Speaker 14: not a threat to the region broadly anymore. So keep
• 40:38
  Speaker 14: throttling them economically, open up the straits so they cannot
• 40:41
  Speaker 14: impose costs and consequences.
• 40:43
  Speaker 11: On the rest of the world, and then just keep
• 40:47
  Speaker 11: choking them.
• 40:48
  Speaker 14: I mean, that's that's where I think the President is
• 40:51
  Speaker 14: trying to get to and I think he's he obviously
• 40:55
  Speaker 14: has reason to believe we can get some kind of acceptable,
• 40:58
  Speaker 14: negotiated solution and keep.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: The pillar on the face. I'm with you on that.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Last quick question. We will talk about this at length
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: in future weeks. The new shipbuilding plan was released. We're
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: going to go down to two hundred and forty eight
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: ships and nine carriers. Jim Tallon, what do you think
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: of that?
• 41:19
  Speaker 14: Well, I mean we've ordered one hundred and I think
• 41:22
  Speaker 14: one hundred and twenty ships in the last couple of years.
• 41:25
  Speaker 11: They're going to retire some more vessels.
• 41:28
  Speaker 14: The whole thing hinges you on our ability to rebuild
• 41:31
  Speaker 14: the maritime industrial base, and I trust the people doing it.
• 41:36
  Speaker 14: There's a Secretary Fineberg. He's got a really good team
• 41:40
  Speaker 14: that he's put together hung Cow over at the Navy.
• 41:43
  Speaker 14: So I think the maritime industrial plan and the shipbuilding
• 41:47
  Speaker 14: plan is a good one. No, I don't like the
• 41:50
  Speaker 14: number of ships going down, but it's going to go up.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Then what do you think about nine carriers, because I
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: think the nine carriers is the future buildout and the
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: chicoms are going to get to eight.
• 42:01
  Speaker 14: Yeah, I think we're talking about like FOURD class carriers.
• 42:04
  Speaker 14: We're going to have other platforms for projection of airpower.
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: You.
• 42:10
  Speaker 14: I mean, look, I was I said years ago, we
• 42:13
  Speaker 14: ought to have fifteen carriers so we can have a
• 42:15
  Speaker 14: presence everywhere, but they are expensive. Air warfare is developing,
• 42:21
  Speaker 14: and I think we can do it in other ways.
• 42:23
  Speaker 14: I've got confidence in this team. But what I don't
• 42:26
  Speaker 14: have confidence they're doing their best. I don't have confidence
• 42:30
  Speaker 14: that we can rebuild the industrial base. That's the problem.
• 42:33
  Speaker 14: Not right now, the specific mix of shifts are total.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: If you want to stick around and make a comment
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: on Graham Platner in my last segment, please do come
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: back there. Jim Talent on Graham Platner after that, Welcome
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: back America. Jim Talent is still with me. Former senator
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: from Missouri, he served with Chuck Schumer. He knows what
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: the Senate is like, and he can translate Democrats back
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: pedaling when the senator when the minority leader said five times,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: we're gonna beat Susan Collins and take back the Senate.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: What did you hear, Jim Tellitt.
• 43:12
  Speaker 14: Well, a Democratic Party I knew is wanting to get
• 43:15
  Speaker 14: this guy off the ballot because he's obviously a highly
• 43:20
  Speaker 14: flawed candidate. Now, the way you do that, you don't
• 43:24
  Speaker 14: want to be the one who's driving the knife in
• 43:26
  Speaker 14: between the shoulder blades.
• 43:28
  Speaker 11: So what you do is you as.
• 43:30
  Speaker 14: More and more things come out, You push to get
• 43:34
  Speaker 14: the candidate and or his base to recognize that he
• 43:38
  Speaker 14: can't win, and then you leave him out, and in
• 43:40
  Speaker 14: the meantime you try and temporize as much as you can.
• 43:43
  Speaker 14: So when he said kept saying, we're going to beat
• 43:45
  Speaker 14: Susan Collins, We're going to beat Susan Collins. And then
• 43:49
  Speaker 14: at the end they forced him to say I endorse
• 43:51
  Speaker 14: Graham Platter, but it was a lot less than a
• 43:53
  Speaker 14: full throated endorsement. So my guess is unless they change
• 43:59
  Speaker 14: their stripes a lot that they're trying to get him
• 44:01
  Speaker 14: off the ballot. If they can't, that says something about
• 44:06
  Speaker 14: the Democratic Party that I would not want to say
• 44:08
  Speaker 14: if I were a Democrat, because it shows how powerful
• 44:12
  Speaker 14: this socialist wing, radical wing is within the party.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Now, Governor Janet Mills is still in the ballot. She
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: withdrew or she suspended her campaign, but she's still in
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: the ballot. Can't Democrats just come out and say, or Platner,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: I'm out, I'm sorry, I'm just not cut out for this.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: I got therapy to go to for ten years.
• 44:34
  Speaker 14: Sure, And that's what they want Platner to do. They
• 44:37
  Speaker 14: want him to withdraw Now, on the other hand, if
• 44:40
  Speaker 14: the Democratic leaders say he needs to get off the ballot,
• 44:45
  Speaker 14: then his base of supporters is going to be very
• 44:48
  Speaker 14: angry at them, and not only will they not turn
• 44:51
  Speaker 14: out for Mills, they may not turn out for other
• 44:53
  Speaker 14: candidates around the country.
• 44:54
  Speaker 11: This is why this is so difficult.
• 44:56
  Speaker 14: You, But there's a lot of powerful interests within the
• 45:00
  Speaker 14: Democratic Party.
• 45:00
  Speaker 11: If they can get.
• 45:01
  Speaker 14: Them to lean on Platnir behind the scenes, and if
• 45:05
  Speaker 14: further revelations keep coming to the fort, it's going to
• 45:08
  Speaker 14: be interesting to see if the legacy press publicizes those
• 45:12
  Speaker 14: very heavily, because that will indicate there's a plan of
• 45:15
  Speaker 14: foot to try and get him off the ballot.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: No, Jim, tell there's not just smoke here. There's the
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Pacific Palace age firewayre and so do you expect more
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: to be forthcoming?
• 45:29
  Speaker 14: If I had to guess, yeah, because I think there's
• 45:31
  Speaker 14: more there and I think now if both sides have
• 45:35
  Speaker 14: an interest in surfacing it, okay. In other words, it's
• 45:40
  Speaker 14: not just the primary he can leave. I think July
• 45:44
  Speaker 14: the fifth is the deadline for him to leave. And
• 45:47
  Speaker 14: they've pulled things before with lawsuits to try and extend that.
• 45:50
  Speaker 14: You remember, remember Torricelli. Now they watch him off the
• 45:55
  Speaker 14: ballot in the last meeting. Yeah, exactly in New Jersey.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: Again.
• 46:00
  Speaker 14: Look, I don't have any inside information in this. I
• 46:03
  Speaker 14: have democratic friends from the Senate. I haven't asked him
• 46:06
  Speaker 14: and won't. But they cannot be happy about this.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Oh they need.
• 46:13
  Speaker 11: And it's yeah, I don't.
• 46:15
  Speaker 14: Look, I don't think they're going to beat Susan Collins
• 46:17
  Speaker 14: with Andy Bunkers.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: I agree. So why why bring yourself down? Why why
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: be standing in the in the house that Samson brings down?
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Jim Teller call him on exit, Jim tell, thank you, Senator.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: I'll be right back to America Americ Katherine Ham and
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: a viv Ready Gore next hour or even Grace America.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: I'm to Hewitt and the Relief Factor studio coming up
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: after the break, and v Ready Gore is here for
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: most of the hour to explain the first Lebanon War,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: the Second Lebanon War, and the current Lebanon War from
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: a perspective an Israeli analyst who I actually just respect immensely.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Before we get to that, though, I want to talk
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: a little politics and sunscreen with Mary Catherine Ham, who
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: is cause as a host of Getting Hammered. The brand
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: new podcast is that with Vic Mattis and I had
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: to laugh about sunscreen. You can't forget Mary, Kathy. I'm
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: paler than you are. I always put my sunscreen on first.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: The grandkids be dog. They can get a little crispy.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: I can't afford it anymore. So you tend to forget it. Huh.
• 47:18
  Speaker 7: It's happened once or twice.
• 47:19
  Speaker 15: But I've learned my lesson because it's painful and I
• 47:21
  Speaker 15: can't do that.
• 47:22
  Speaker 7: I can't afford to do that.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I get third degree burns. I always get it,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: and when you get to be my age, you'll be
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: living at your dermatologists quarterly if you don't put it on.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: But I thought it was very funny. And I hate Vic,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: and I hate everybody who has skin like Vic who
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: doesn't need sunscreen. I don't even I don't even know
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: if you should have them on getting hammered. It's just
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: if you're going to talk about the summer. I think
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: et cut. All right, let's go to Jill Biden because
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: I've been on the road to California. I have not
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: been following even the fetching Missus Jewett, who's not too
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: political I get home after five days, first thing she
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: says to me is have you seen what Joe Biden
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: has been saying only a little bit? What has she done?
• 48:02
  Speaker 15: Mary Catherine, Well, there's something fascinating about watching someone lie
• 48:08
  Speaker 15: to everyone's faces so brazenly. And she's not in a
• 48:12
  Speaker 15: position of power, thank goodness, and I wish she was,
• 48:14
  Speaker 15: like not getting these sort of like top level, top
• 48:18
  Speaker 15: tier for opportunities to sell this nonsense book that she's written.
• 48:22
  Speaker 15: But she starts off by just saying like, hey, yeah,
• 48:25
  Speaker 15: I saw what everyone else.
• 48:26
  Speaker 7: Saw on the debate stage.
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: I thought he had a stroke.
• 48:29
  Speaker 7: But I've never.
• 48:29
  Speaker 15: Seen that behavior before or since that moment. And I'm
• 48:33
  Speaker 15: sorry that's crazy, because all of us saw that behavior
• 48:36
  Speaker 15: before and since that moment. The only reason that the
• 48:39
  Speaker 15: only way that argument can work is if he's Gregory
• 48:43
  Speaker 15: peck in to kill a mockingbird from the moment up
• 48:47
  Speaker 15: until the moment of the event, and then every moment afterwards.
• 48:50
  Speaker 15: And of course that's not true. She's trying to lie
• 48:53
  Speaker 15: to change.
• 48:55
  Speaker 7: The perception of what she did, which was a bet.
• 48:58
  Speaker 15: This enfeebled Man's presidency beyond the point that it should
• 49:03
  Speaker 15: ever have been assisted or lifted up, and she's claiming
• 49:09
  Speaker 15: she did it in the You know, I'm just his wife.
• 49:11
  Speaker 15: I'm there to lift him up. And this is what
• 49:12
  Speaker 15: the Bidens always do, is they point to whatever infirmity
• 49:15
  Speaker 15: it is, whether it's Hunter's addiction or Biden's stutter, or
• 49:19
  Speaker 15: Biden's cancer diagnosis or Biden's brain breaking in a debate,
• 49:24
  Speaker 15: and they use our niceness against us by saying, well,
• 49:27
  Speaker 15: you can't be mad at us like he was sick.
• 49:30
  Speaker 7: I was scared.
• 49:31
  Speaker 15: I'm his wife, and I reject that. You're not allowed
• 49:33
  Speaker 15: to lie to us like this. And they will keep
• 49:35
  Speaker 15: trying because they got.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: To get paid.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: They need they need me embarrassing, all right, now, let
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: me move on to California. Last night appears to have
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: made Steve Hilton into the finals and Spencer Pratt into
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: the finals for governor and mayor respectively. However, Javier Maschera
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: is only the other nominee. If it turns out that
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: way will be counting for ten days because Eric Swalwell
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: held to drop out and because Katie Porter vaporize yourself
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: with a video being mean to staffers, and Eric Swalwell
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: is apparently a thug when it comes to women. Why
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: did Katie Porter have to fall down to nothing? And
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: Eric Swalwell actually leave Congress, but Graham Plattner is still
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: in there and Chuck Schumer is still behind him.
• 50:28
  Speaker 15: Because they thought they could jettison Swallwell the Democratic Party,
• 50:32
  Speaker 15: which is aligned with the media, which is in charge
• 50:34
  Speaker 15: of pushing these things. They thought they could jettison him
• 50:37
  Speaker 15: and still have Besara to do the job. Like if
• 50:41
  Speaker 15: they could still get rid of Graham Putner during this month,
• 50:44
  Speaker 15: they have some time left, either before the primary or
• 50:47
  Speaker 15: after the primary.
• 50:47
  Speaker 7: They have some wiggle room here.
• 50:49
  Speaker 15: The moment they can't at all get rid of him,
• 50:51
  Speaker 15: you will learn that Nazi tattoos are like the greatest
• 50:54
  Speaker 15: thing that's ever been is actually it's actually a vision
• 50:56
  Speaker 15: of tolerance, is what it is. That's what they'll tell
• 50:59
  Speaker 15: you as soon as they can get rid of him.
• 51:00
  Speaker 15: At this moment, I think he's teetering on a precipice
• 51:03
  Speaker 15: where they're trying to make the calculation do we need
• 51:07
  Speaker 15: this guy? And I think you'll find out a lot
• 51:08
  Speaker 15: about whether the DSA lefties are in charge of this
• 51:11
  Speaker 15: party and can run anyone up to and including a
• 51:15
  Speaker 15: Hamasalam and a or a amaslam at a or al katolum.
• 51:20
  Speaker 7: At a Nazi tattoo.
• 51:21
  Speaker 13: Guy uh, And.
• 51:22
  Speaker 15: They'll just tell the Schumers of the world, too bad, dude.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: Speaking of Schumer, are you familiar with Bill Belichick's on
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: the Cincinnati moment? Did that cross your radar? He after
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: a bad loss, He wouldn't talk about the loss, he
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: said repetitively onto Cincinnati. Well, here's Chuck Schumer yesterday after
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: he spends a long time inveighing against alleged corruption by
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: the Trumps. The press is only interested in Graham Platnir.
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  Speaker 1: Let's play for Mary Catherine am cut number two.
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  Speaker 5: One brand Platner. Are you satisfied with the explanations he's
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  Speaker 5: giving you? A coach purses his campaign's based right now.
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  Speaker 5: We're concerned about.
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  Speaker 9: I met with Graham Plattin today. We're going to beat
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  Speaker 9: Susan Collins take back the sin.
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  Speaker 5: Are you so you're saying that Dan Hill is your
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  Speaker 5: form rat?
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  Speaker 3: You can get back in your sin behind Grandfa.
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  Speaker 5: We're going to beat Susan good and take back descent.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, sticking client grandfather is that perfect probility.
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  Speaker 5: And attacking tan passion.
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  Speaker 9: We're going to take back We're going to beat Susan
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  Speaker 9: Collins and take back descind any other subject or not
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  Speaker 9: any other subjects.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, yes, you're right there, unsubstantiate. We're going to beat
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  Speaker 5: Susan Collins. Can take back to the SA last one
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  Speaker 5: you have not said endorsing Grandpa? Are you still supporting
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  Speaker 5: the grandpa?
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  Speaker 9: As I said, I endorsed grand Patner. We're going to
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  Speaker 9: take back. We're going to beat Susan Collins and take
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  Speaker 9: back the Senate and watch.
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  Speaker 1: So Mary Catherine, that's an epic It's actually an epic
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: message discipline right there? Does it work?
• 53:06
  Speaker 7: It works for a little while.
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  Speaker 15: I would say, anyone who thinks there's not more on
• 53:10
  Speaker 15: this guy coming is crazy. I mean, it's like fairly
• 53:13
  Speaker 15: obvious from what's out there. I think that his I
• 53:16
  Speaker 15: endorsed Graham Platner is interesting. This is, of course, the
• 53:19
  Speaker 15: fight was between Janet Mills, the sort of normy establishment democratic,
• 53:23
  Speaker 15: very left but normy governor of the state, versus Graham Platner.
• 53:27
  Speaker 15: And Schumer's choice was Janet Mills, and he had to
• 53:29
  Speaker 15: back off of it, and he did endorse Graham Platner,
• 53:31
  Speaker 15: and a lot of them endorsed him without a full picture.
• 53:34
  Speaker 7: I think of who this guy was.
• 53:36
  Speaker 15: As you see, he had like these problematic social accounts
• 53:39
  Speaker 15: still activated.
• 53:40
  Speaker 7: This week, which is amazing to me. They didn't even
• 53:43
  Speaker 7: turn those off.
• 53:44
  Speaker 15: So I think again, he's on a precipice and a
• 53:48
  Speaker 15: lot of these guys are going to be asked a
• 53:49
  Speaker 15: lot of very uncomfortable questions.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, people need to remember the Tori Chlley option. When
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: Tori Chlly was going to lose the New Jersey seat,
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: they pulled him, and they put Frank Lautenberg off of
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: retirement and threw me in with a month ago. So
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: Graham Platner, I think he's already fallen off that clip.
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: But we'll see.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: Now Scott Pelly, he jumped off the cliff. Now, I
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: don't know Scott Pelly, and I've never worked for CBS
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: and I've only talked to Barry Wise once, so I
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: have no dog in this fight. But I do have
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: a general rule when I have worked for an organization,
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: I don't bad mouth it or its leaders after I
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: leave it. I think you've got kind of the same rule.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: What's wrong with Scott Pelly because that's not professional what
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: he's doing.
• 54:37
  Speaker 15: No does anyone but a journalist think they can pull
• 54:40
  Speaker 15: that with a new boss and then still have a job,
• 54:43
  Speaker 15: Like a person who worked at like Target doesn't think
• 54:47
  Speaker 15: they're going to do that and then still have their job.
• 54:49
  Speaker 15: I think a lot of this is very normal stuff
• 54:53
  Speaker 15: that normal people deal with all the time. Oh, you've
• 54:55
  Speaker 15: got a new boss and the philosophy of the organization
• 54:57
  Speaker 15: is shifting and the hiring practices are shifting.
• 55:00
  Speaker 7: And you have a choice.
• 55:00
  Speaker 15: You can quit and move on if that doesn't work
• 55:03
  Speaker 15: for you, or you can work with the new person.
• 55:06
  Speaker 15: And he very vociferously made clear and had an attitude
• 55:11
  Speaker 15: about it that he was not interested in doing that.
• 55:13
  Speaker 15: So I don't see how they could have kept him.
• 55:15
  Speaker 15: I didn't have a particular problem with this guy in
• 55:18
  Speaker 15: general before I heard what he did in the meeting.
• 55:21
  Speaker 15: It seemed very drama queen and very ridiculous. And then
• 55:27
  Speaker 15: he said in his comment to the New York Times,
• 55:28
  Speaker 15: which I think exemplifies the problem with old media. He said,
• 55:32
  Speaker 15: he noted that he's been in combat in Iraq and
• 55:35
  Speaker 15: Afghanistan reporting on wars, and like that phrasing is wrong,
• 55:39
  Speaker 15: that is misleading, it's incorrect. You were protected by other
• 55:43
  Speaker 15: people who were in combat combat who you were in
• 55:45
  Speaker 15: a dangerous place reporting on and the fact that you
• 55:49
  Speaker 15: can't even get the straight the fact straight in that
• 55:52
  Speaker 15: statements because you might elevate yourself up here.
• 55:57
  Speaker 7: It's ridiculous.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: CBS actually has a combat veteran, Aaron McLain on the payroll. Now,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: I hope he goes to sixteen minutes.
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  Speaker 5: Last question.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: John Androzick is going to perform on the mall on
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  Speaker 1: from Bruce Springsteen to the most left wing group out there,
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: Jackson Brown. It's still our country. Are you surprised by this?
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: We got a minut at Mary Catherine.
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  Speaker 15: I'm a little surprised, but I think it unfortunately exemplifies
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  Speaker 15: the problem we have, which is that the two organizations,
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  Speaker 15: the America two to fifty which was the bipartisan one,
• 56:36
  Speaker 15: and the Trump Freedom two to fifty Executive Order one,
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• 56:42
  Speaker 15: full of half people because it's by partisan. They are like,
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  Speaker 15: should we be examining our dark past or should we
• 56:46
  Speaker 15: be celebrating. We probably got to do the dark past,
• 56:48
  Speaker 15: and Trump's like, no, we got to celebrate and we
• 56:51
  Speaker 15: come together with the normy celebration. But all the normal
• 56:54
  Speaker 15: people still will to look out for them wherever you
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  Speaker 15: are loving America because it will happen.
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  Speaker 5: Today.
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  Speaker 1: I listened to Matty Friedman talked to Amanda dan Bershall,
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: and I thought he was talking about Lebanon. Most Americans
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: have no idea even the outline of the two Lebanese
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: wars that Israel has fought since nineteen eighty two. So
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: in the first nine minute segment here, can you tell
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: us about the first Lebanon War? Then we'll do the
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: second Lebanon War, and in segment three you'll tell us
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: about what's going on right now, what happened in nineteen
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: eighty two through two thousand.
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  Speaker 4: Sure, the nineteen eighty two eleven On War was very
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: different from this situation in Lebanon. It wasn't about Shia groups,
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: it wasn't about Srisbela, It was a Palastine factions, Fatah
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: and a few others DFLP PFLP functioning mostly under the
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: framework of something called the PO. The Palestine Libration Organization
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: established in Cairo in nineteen sixty four by Palestinian activists
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: the Egyptians a little bit of help by the Soviets,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: and the PLO relocated its fighting forces after sixty seven.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: It was established to destroy Israel before there was any
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: military rule in the West Bank, any occupation of Gaza,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: and it relocated to Jordan after the nineteen sixty seven
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: when the Jordanians were claimed and annexed and gave citizenship
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: to the Palestinians living in the West Bank who desired
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: Jordanian citizenship took it willingly. It relocated into Jordan after
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: Jordan then lost that West Bank in the nineteen sixty
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: seven war, and the PLO under Yas Rafat became a
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: very powerful force in Jordan, threatened the Jordanian monarchy, and
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: the Jordanian monarchy actually went to war against it Black
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: September nineteen seventy. People should look it up. Is a
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: battle of massacre by the Jordanian regime of the those
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: Palestinian activists, of those Palestinian leadership, and then they relocate
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  Speaker 4: to South Lebanon or to Lebanon generally, and they have
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: forces in the south. Those forces, over the course of
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: the seventies would send commandos into Israel that would massacre Israelis.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: For example, the Malotte massacre. I believe it was nineteen
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: seventy four, people can check me on that, where commandos
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: of the DFLP, the Democratic Front for the Liberation of
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: Palestine came down from Lebanon, entered a school in Alote
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: and if memory serves, twenty one kids were killed. By
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: the time Israeli forces could raid the school and kill
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: the commandos, and that kept going. There was these constant
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: spate of attacks from these Palestinian groups, these Palestinian militant
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: factions and terror groups in South Lebanon. In nineteen eighty two,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: the specific spark for the war was the assassination of
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  Speaker 4: the Israeli ambassador to London, ambassador at GOV and that
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: led to Prime Minister man achm Begens saying, you know,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: we're done, We're done playing around, We're done taking the hits,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: and launching what was called at the time the Lebanon War,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: or began called it the Peace for Galilee War, which
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: in Hebrews m. Kremichlomagalili. The Peace for Galilee war was
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  Speaker 4: framed by the Israeli government, and I think the intentions
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  Speaker 4: of the Israeli government were to push back this terrible
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  Speaker 4: group that had just terrorized and made life awful and
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: unlivable for residents of the north of the country. There
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: was a huge apparent gap and disagreement. Historians debate this
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: between Prime Minister Menachim Begen and Defense Minister Ariel Charon.
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  Speaker 4: Sharon appears to have had much larger designs, on a
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: much larger vision. He wanted Israel to essentially take Lebanon,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: decide who lives in Lebanon, who not lives, who runs Lebanon, who,
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  Speaker 4: in other words, is in control of Lebanon. Lebanon was
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  Speaker 4: in a period of on and off civil war between
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: Shia and Sunny and Christian and Druze, and the Christians
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  Speaker 4: were much more amenable to Israel, much more pro Israel.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: The Shia were on Syria's side. Syria had been involved
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: in Lebanon, had forces in Lebanon for years and tried
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  Speaker 4: to use to try to control Lebanon as part of
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: its sphere of influence. And Ron's concept was basically that
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  Speaker 4: Israel should actually do that and take Lebanon out of
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  Speaker 4: CEREA's control through the Christians. And so in the First
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: Lebanon War nineteen eighty two, the Christian militia was allied
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: with Israel. You had the very very famous at the
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: time in real time. One of the first great encounters
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: between Israel and the world press in this way was
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: the Sabra and Tila massacre. This was a refugee camp
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: of Palace Stinian civilians. The PLO forces had signed an
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: agreement to leave, while as the Israeli army advanced, they
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: had no forces there. The Israeli army didn't come into
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  Speaker 4: the camp and kill people. The Christian militia did. They
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 4: themselves were responding to abuses and atrocities by Shia and
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: Swunny in Palestinian factions, etc. But neevertheless, that's what they did.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: And Sharon over that massacre for the idea of failing
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: to predict it, understand it, and stop it. Sharon lost
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  Speaker 4: his position as Defense Minister. Israel would then get stuck
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: in Lebanon in what it called the Security Zone, a
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: zone along the south that was meant to be a
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: buffer zone between terror groups Palestinian terror groups at first,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: and then kresbel Ashia terror groups. It got stuck in
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: southern Lebanon for eighteen years.
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  Speaker 1: It pulled out like it was it like our Afghanistan
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  Speaker 1: was it where soldiers would just be blown up and
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: eventually the cost just drove us.
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  Speaker 4: Out pretty much. I mean, it's an identical experience with
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: an identical conclusion. You know, you go into a country
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: because it's launching massive, devastating, serious, unignorable terrorism at you, right,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: the people who you went after in Afghanistan were responsible
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: for nine to eleven and then you kind of get
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: bogged down there chasing after them for eighteen years, and
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: then you pull out, and the day you pull out,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: the bad guys take over, right the vacuum that you
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: left behind. And that was exactly the Israeli experience of
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 4: Lebanon begun by that first Lebanon War, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So with two minutes, what was the Mother's campaign
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: that mobilized Israeli public opinion against occupying the security zone.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: So the occupation of the security zone became something that
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: people couldn't see a way out of. If you pull out,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 4: the bad guys take over and come right up to
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: the border. These are the kinds of organizations Shia Mukawama,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: organizations that will never not attack. They will never build
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 4: good things, they will never be constructive. They will only
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: try and destroy Israel, even if Israel pulls out, because
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: Israel is this defiance of God's plan for history and
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: all of their theology, and so you can't pull out.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: But also if you just stay, you stay forever, what
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: are you accomplishing? How you're going to lose soldiers to
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: guerrilla warfare. You're going to lose them over a long
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: period of time. Hundreds of soldiers died over the course
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 4: of those eighteen years in these gorilla attacks. We created
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: a whole new kind of infantry just meant to meet
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: Resbela on the mountain sides of South Lebanon and fight
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: a gorilla war with them. That was by the way
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: I went into the Army of November nineteen ninety nine.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: My training in the infantry boot camp or basic training
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: was mountainside warfare and gorilla you know, just that's how
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: the infantry was training in those years, and there was
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: there's no end in sight. And the four mothers were
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: mothers of soldiers who died in Lebanon, who together formed
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: a movement that campaigned for pulling out of Lebanon. And
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: it took him years, and they had marches and rallies,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: and eventually of work company, Israeli government pulled out in
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: two thousand.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: When we come back, we're going here to the Second
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: Lebanon War. We're in the Third Lebanon War now, but
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: we're going to go to Israel's Second Lebanon War when
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: we come back. Don't go anywhere. I'm Hugh Hewittt with
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: Aviv Rettig Gore. I'm the Jujuit Show, Welcome Back America.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Hewittt with Aviv Retti Gore. He is the
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: Middle East correspondent for the Free Press. You can follow
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: him on Exit Aviv Rettig Gore. You ought to listen
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: to his podcast, Ask Aviv anything. I found historian Troy
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: amazing in the definition of anti Semitism, and we'll talk
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: about that some other time. One of your most recent episodes, Aviv.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: He also has a substat Aviv Gore dot substack dot
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: com and a Patreon Aviv. The Second Lebanon War occurred
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: during the presidency of George W. Bush. Would you explain
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: that to distinguish it from what's going on today.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: Yes, the Second Lebanon War was in the Israeli experience,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: certainly a radically different war. The enemy was Cosbela, it
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 4: wasn't Palestinian groups. They are long gone from Lebanon. And
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: the basic story is Israel pulls out in two thousand.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: In May of two thousand, you know, to the last inch.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: There's a point of disagreement in a place called the
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 4: Shabba farms, and the disagreement is that Syria and Lebanon
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: don't agree on whether it's Syrian or Lebanese. If you
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: count it as Syrian, it's part of the Syrian Golan
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: that Israel occupies from the sixty seven war. That Trump
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: is recognized, and everybody living there has been offered Israeli citizenship,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: and there's no problem. There's no problem of occupation in
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: the sense that there's people there who are not offered
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: you know, citizenship, and the people who were in the
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: country that rules over them. If you take Lebanon's side
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 4: in the Lebanese Syrian dispute, then that's Lebanese territory, not Syrian.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: So Israel occupied it from Assyria illegally holding it long
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: story short, it's this convoluted, its tiny, tiny little spot
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 4: on the map. That's the only territorial disagreement. Everything else.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: Israel pulls out to the international border. I think it's
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: called the blue line. And six years later in the
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: Olmert government, Olmert is a guy elected talking about pulling
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 4: out of the West Bank. And you just had a
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  Speaker 4: few weeks earlier, at the end of June two thousand
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  Speaker 4: and six, Hamas in Gaza Israel. Let me start at
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  Speaker 4: the beginning. August two thousand and five. Israel pulls out
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  Speaker 4: of Gaza. June two thousand and six, Haamas carries out
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  Speaker 4: its first tunnel attack. It digs a border under the tunnel,
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  Speaker 4: kills two soldiers, kidnaps a soldier named Gilad Shalit. That
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  Speaker 4: starts a shooting war on the Gaza border between Hamas
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  Speaker 4: and the idf As that is heating up in the south.
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  Speaker 4: On July twelfth, two thousand and six. In the north,
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  Speaker 4: res Bela, after six years after Israel left Lebanon, Kresbela
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  Speaker 4: carries out its first cross border operation. It kills four
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  Speaker 4: Israeli soldiers. I think they've killed four. It kidnapped two
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  Speaker 4: soldiers at gold Lasa. Every Israeli knows those names. And
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  Speaker 4: the second Lebanon Wars underway. Now Olmert ran announced, you know,
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  Speaker 4: something called the convergence Plan, announced a plan he believed
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  Speaker 4: in and still justifies to this day to pull out
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  Speaker 4: of the West Bank for the vast majority of the
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  Speaker 4: West Bank. And he's a man who believes in it.
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  Speaker 4: He even formed a government in March of that year
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  Speaker 4: with the Labor Party, gave the Labor Party left the
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  Speaker 4: Defense Ministry. In other words, he wants people believe in
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  Speaker 4: withdrawal to actually run the army and to be responsible
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  Speaker 4: for implementing the withdrawal. And just a few weeks into
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  Speaker 4: his government's existence, Hamas from Gaza, ten months after Israel
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  Speaker 4: pulls out suddenly attacks Israel, andres Bela from Lebanon, six
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  Speaker 4: years after Israel pulls out suddenly attacks Israel. Olmert has
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  Speaker 4: this problem where he wants to pull out of the
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  Speaker 4: West Bank. But the two places we had just unilaterally
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  Speaker 4: withdrawn from without waiting for a peace treaty because tramsres
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  Speaker 4: but I don't know how to give you a peace
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  Speaker 4: treaty and are a fight of the Palestinian authority doesn't
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  Speaker 4: know how to give you a peace treat either. So
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  Speaker 4: we pulled out unilaterally. The two places we just pulled
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  Speaker 4: out of are now in a big shooting war on
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  Speaker 4: Israeli cities and towns. That's called the Second Lebanon War.
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  Speaker 4: It's much more than a war in Lebanon for the
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  Speaker 4: Israeli public, who just elected a guy talking about it
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  Speaker 4: withdrawal from the West Bank openly, that was not a
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  Speaker 4: deal breaker for the Israeli public. By the way, we
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  Speaker 4: know that a lot of right wingers voted for that
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  Speaker 4: because they could crash to twelve seats in the two
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  Speaker 4: thousand and six election that Olmert won. And yeah, and
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  Speaker 4: possibly possibly half of that abandonment of Likud under Benjamin
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  Speaker 4: It's and know, by the way, at the time, right
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  Speaker 4: possibly half of those Licud voters went to Olmert, and
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  Speaker 4: Olmert before the election talked about it. Withdrawal from the
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  Speaker 4: West Bank a convergence planet I think is something like
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  Speaker 4: ninety percent of the West Bank. And so this, this
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  Speaker 4: is a new Israeli test. OSLO is dead and gone
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  Speaker 4: because of the Second Intifada in two one and forty,
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  Speaker 4: so said bombings. Nobody will vote for an OSLO peace
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  Speaker 4: process again. But now the right wing Almir came from Likud.
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  Speaker 4: The right wing is going to try to separate from
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  Speaker 4: the Palestinians in its own way. Well, guess what. The
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  Speaker 4: two places we just pulled out of, Lebanon and Gaza
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  Speaker 4: are now attacking us, and Almer tries to prove to
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  Speaker 4: Israelis that we can withdraw and even if there's a
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  Speaker 4: danger that they'll attack us from the place we withdraw from. Remember,
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  Speaker 4: Israel is tiny. If we pull out of the West Bank,
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  Speaker 4: we're nine miles wide at the middle of the country.
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  Speaker 4: Even if there's that danger, we have such overwhelming power
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  Speaker 4: that we can deter them by smashing them. We can
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  Speaker 4: cause so much hard tomaseres Bella that he'll prove that
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  Speaker 4: it's safe to pull out of the West Bank, which
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  Speaker 4: is sixteen times the size of Gaza. It's the middle
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  Speaker 4: of the country, it's the mountains overlooking our cities. And
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  Speaker 4: that's what all Merit sets out to in the Second
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  Speaker 4: Lebanon War, and.
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  Speaker 1: It did not work. When we come back the Third
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  Speaker 1: Lebanon War, which is really part of the ten to
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  Speaker 1: seven war, I'm gonna ask Aviv to explain what is
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  Speaker 1: Israel and net Neal attempting to do right now in
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  Speaker 1: Lebanon's station. Welcome back to America. I'm Hewett Haveviv Ready
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  Speaker 1: Gore is with me, the Middle East correspondent for the
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  Speaker 1: Free Press. Following on exit Aviv Ready Gore. Listen to
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  Speaker 1: his podcast, ask Aviv anything, join his Patreon as I have,
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  Speaker 1: Gore dot substack dot com. Aviv All of these first
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  Speaker 1: two segments for to get us to today. Because the
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  Speaker 1: President of the United States is yelling at the Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 1: The Prime Minister is yelling at the President about what
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  Speaker 1: Israel is doing in Lebanon. And you took a Crusader
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  Speaker 1: castle that Matty Friedman tells me doesn't mean anything because
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  Speaker 1: you took it in the eighty two war and it
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  Speaker 1: didn't end the war. Then what is the objective in
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  Speaker 1: Lebanon now?
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  Speaker 4: In two thousand and six, the Israelis learned that no
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  Speaker 4: matter what Oulmer did to Lebanon, onto Rasbela bombed every
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  Speaker 4: bridge in Lebanon to prevent their rearming. Half a big
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  Speaker 4: root lost electricity. It was a terrible war in the
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  Speaker 4: Lebanese experience. No matter what you did to groups like Resbelan.
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  Speaker 4: No matter what Lebanon suffered, nothing could deter them. On
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  Speaker 4: October seven, Israelis woke up to a whole new reality.
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  Speaker 4: And it wasn't the reality that Hamas was able. You know,
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  Speaker 4: that our guard was down, that the Israeli army failed.
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  Speaker 4: That that wasn't you know, once in fifty years you're
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  Speaker 4: going to have a mass of failure of your military.
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  Speaker 4: It's built into the system.
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  Speaker 15: You know.
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  Speaker 4: It's horrible, it's tragic that itself was not the great lesson.
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  Speaker 4: The great lesson of October seven for the Israelis wasn't
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  Speaker 4: what Hamas was willing to do to us. We already
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  Speaker 4: knew that they were willing to murder every last Israeli.
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  Speaker 4: It's what they were willing to do to Gaza. It's
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  Speaker 4: knowing that Hamas spent seventeen years building the biggest bomb
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  Speaker 4: shelter network system underneath any population, any urban landscape, in
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  Speaker 4: the history of war are and that in three years
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  Speaker 4: of war, no child there's been allowed to step foot
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  Speaker 4: into it. That it was about the civilians suffering while
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  Speaker 4: the soldiers survive. It's knowing that they're undeterable because the
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  Speaker 4: sacrifice of their own population. Is the strategy, is their
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  Speaker 4: war strategy. This is the biggest thing. This tunnel system
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  Speaker 4: in Gaza is the biggest thing they've ever built. Palestinians
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  Speaker 4: have ever built, not Kramas, and it bent goes his
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  Speaker 4: entire economy to building it for seventeen years. And so
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  Speaker 4: we looked at Kramas and we said, wait a second.
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  Speaker 4: It's not that Ramas are willing to kill us any
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  Speaker 4: chance they get. That's obvious. It's that they don't have
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  Speaker 4: They're totally not susceptible or deterable by any damage that
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  Speaker 4: can be caused to their side. And that means we
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  Speaker 4: have to actually destroy every tunnel, no matter how many
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  Speaker 4: neighborhoods those tunnels go under. That means we actually have
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  Speaker 4: to get out to Ramas. Now it's possible that war
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  Speaker 4: effort failed. It's possible that Warford exacted massive costs on
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  Speaker 4: the population and massive costs to Israel. That means that
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  Speaker 4: the war on I don't know. That's a debate and
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  Speaker 4: historians are going to have it, and it's a fascinating debate,
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  Speaker 4: and it's a debate about my country. So obviously be
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  Speaker 4: baying close attention to it. But then we looked from
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  Speaker 4: Ramasta Rasbela and we said to ourselves, wait a second.
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  Speaker 4: In two thousand and six, Risbela literally put out videos
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  Speaker 4: as the Israelis were bombing all the things that they
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  Speaker 4: thought Risbela was using in Lebanon. Tresbela never stopped dropping
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  Speaker 4: tens of thousands of missiles on Israeli cities, on Israeli towns,
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  Speaker 4: on Israeli civilian populations. Hundreds of thousands had to flee
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  Speaker 4: their homes. We hadn't built out as many bomb shelters
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  Speaker 4: as we now have. Nobody knew about Iron Dome. Iron
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  Speaker 4: Dome was a fantasy on some engineer's table. Iron Dome
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  Speaker 4: was built. The Israelis went for it because of the
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  Speaker 4: trauma of that war. And now we looked at Risbela
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  Speaker 4: and we said, they're also undeterrible. They're also part of
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  Speaker 4: this Mukawama resistance ideology wan Shiah when Sunni, but this
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  Speaker 4: they share, and so they're also not tolerable. Now, we
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  Speaker 4: went to a war with Gaza without turning north, but
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  Speaker 4: Risbella immediately began launching rockets, emptying out Israel's their entire
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  Speaker 4: towns in the north. Like Mitula A third of the
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  Speaker 4: city is demolished from Hesbela rocket fire over the last
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  Speaker 4: three years. And when we decided to finally turn to
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  Speaker 4: Risbelan and we deployed our intelligence assets, the pager operation
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  Speaker 4: and the army went in. We smashed them in a
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  Speaker 4: way they had not expected. But these are groups of
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  Speaker 4: this is a martyrdom cult and a mass martyrdom cult.
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  Speaker 4: They're willing to sacrifice Lebanon, never mind their own lives,
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  Speaker 4: on the altar of Israel's destruction, because of their theological
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  Speaker 4: argument that Israel has to be destroyed for Islam to
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  Speaker 4: come back into its rightful place in history. And so Risbelad,
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  Speaker 4: the Israelis believe from two thousand and six, from October seven,
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  Speaker 4: Krasbela are an undeterrible force that will never do anything
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  Speaker 4: but war. It literally has no other project, It has
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  Speaker 4: no other desire, It has nothing it actually wants Lebanon
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  Speaker 4: to ever do or succeed or be happy or accomplished.
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  Speaker 4: It is only about a wharf for the expansion and
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  Speaker 4: salvation as they see it, of Islam from centuries of
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  Speaker 4: weakness and retreat. And we looked at Irong and Iran
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  Speaker 4: is the that regime for forty seven years is gutted
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  Speaker 4: Iran in order to sustain what it calls the revolution,
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  Speaker 4: which is a world revolution which must topple the West.
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  Speaker 4: And I said in a podcast I Think on October eighth,
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  Speaker 4: twenty twenty three, I said, this war starts in gonzlip
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  Speaker 4: It because of what the Israelis just learned about the enemy,
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  Speaker 4: that the enemy is undeterable and therefore its existence on
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  Speaker 4: their border. Resbela's existence on the border, Ramas's existence on
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  Speaker 4: the border ultimately is intolerable because they will never not
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  Speaker 4: start wars. And it's got nothing. You know, you can
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  Speaker 4: argue that Palestinians have a lot of gripes against Israel.
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  Speaker 4: You can justify Palestinian Israeli fighting. What's Chrisbela's excuse? Why
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  Speaker 4: is it dragged Lebanon three times now in three years
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  Speaker 4: into conflict with Israel when every Lebanese you'll talk to
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  Speaker 4: is desperate for that not to happen, and every single
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  Speaker 4: time publicly at Iran's orders. And the answer is it's
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  Speaker 4: this mass martyrdom call driven by this ideology of the
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  Speaker 4: Iranian regime. So the war in Lebanon is about actually
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  Speaker 4: removing Krisbela israel I want to say this right now,
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  Speaker 4: and three years ago people have listened to me, they
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  Speaker 4: would have been less surprised over the last three years.
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  Speaker 4: Israel will never not be fighting Hasbelah. If Hasbelah disarms
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  Speaker 4: turns into a peaceful political movement that wants to build
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  Speaker 4: a prosperous and happy Lebanon, Israel pulls out in a minute.
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  Speaker 4: And if Ksbela remains what it is and holds to
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  Speaker 4: its religious doctrine and is willing to die and to
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  Speaker 4: kill everyone in its own society on the altar of
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  Speaker 4: Israel's destruction, the word simply never going to end. And
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  Speaker 4: until Western observers grasp what the mukawama really is this ideology,
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  Speaker 4: and that's episode ninety three of my podcast. There's a
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  Speaker 4: two hour deep dive into it, but you can get
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  Speaker 4: it off an Aai much easier, thank you. Until they
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  Speaker 4: grasp that they won't understand a what the Israelis think
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  Speaker 4: they're doing. Why even if you convince hers an American
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  Speaker 4: president press choreos Israel into a withdrawal, there's going to
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  Speaker 4: be another war down the road. It can't not happen
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  Speaker 4: with Ksbela. So that's what the Israelis think they're doing.
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  Speaker 4: They think that for thirty years, Risbelah has taught them
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  Speaker 4: that it is totally undeterrible and therefore its existence on
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  Speaker 4: the border is intolerable. Israel's cities and towns in the
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  Speaker 4: north right now are ghost towns and the school system
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  Speaker 4: can't open. These people have taken drone hits. There's people
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  Speaker 4: dying in northern Israel. The attacks have been on Israeli territory.
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  Speaker 4: So Israel believes it must actually remove Krisbela, and Chrisbela
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  Speaker 4: will set the cost the price for that. That is
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  Speaker 4: a terrible, awful, tragic thing to say. But that if
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  Speaker 4: I was just asked as an analyst, what's you expect
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  Speaker 4: going forward, That's what you should expect.
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  Speaker 1: Heave as usual, concite to the point, and he believe
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  Speaker 1: we've got to thank here in three segments up premer
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  Speaker 1: for American who are wondering what is going on in Lebanon.
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  Speaker 1: There you have it, have you ready? Gore foll him
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  Speaker 1: on Exit Aviv. Ready, Gore, listen to ask Kvive anything,
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  Speaker 1: especially episode ninety three on that ideology.
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  Speaker 5: I'll be right back on the view It Show