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Guest Hypnotist Seth-Deborah Roth on Hypnosis for Health · The Hypnotist

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Hi, it's Adam here. And on today's episode of The
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Hypnotist, we have a guest hypnotist.
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And I'm very fortunate to be joined by Seth Deborah Roth,
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welcome to the show. Hello.
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Hello. Great to have you here.
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First of all, let's get to know you a bit.
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Tell us a bit about yourself and and how you got into this
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fascinating world we call hypnotherapy ah.
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Well, first of all, my first nested kid and when I was
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seizure training, my instructor did hypnosis, but she didn't
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call it hypnosis. She was from Russia, an
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anesthesiologist from Russia, and she had also trained in
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China. And anyway, this is at a big
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County Hospital, Brooklyn, NY, and the our patient had lifted
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up a garbage container. The mafia was not happy with him
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and when they lifted up, when he lifted off off the top, it
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burned his face and we were doing a skin graft from his legs
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to his face. This is back in 197374 and they
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were using gases mainly at that time.
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And because of his burned face, we really could not put the mask
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on the face. And so you have the the all the
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normal air coming in besides the nitrous and the halothane.
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And he wasn't going to sleep. And Doctor Blumenfeld started
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talking in his ear and suddenly he just went, head tilted,
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tongue out. And he went to La La Land.
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And we did the skin graft. But I didn't know it was
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hypnosis. It was just Doctor Blumenfeld's
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way, right? And I modeled her and combined
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that with my own personality and Fast forward 1987, I'm facing a
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spine fusion and the doctor told me he was going to go through my
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abdomen and scared me. I, I've always worked in the OR
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so normally surgeries don't scare me.
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But then he, it scared me and I started at home putting my hand
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on my hip and doing visualizations and my the energy
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that I've been holding in, in my body started to spasm out and
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you could see my hip rising and falling from the increased
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circulation. And I called my husband over who
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was a surgeon. I said, Ken, Ken, look at this,
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look at this and my hips going up and down.
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And that was 1987. And I never had the surgery and
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I'm so grateful that I never had the surgery because now I work a
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lot in pain management with people who've had like 5 back
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surgeries. We called them failed back
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surgery syndrome. And I'm very grateful.
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That's how I got into it. You, you were on the front line
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seeing and, and what's interesting to hear about that
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is a lot of the time hypnotherapy is put into this
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category of complementary therapy or alternative therapy.
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And obviously in surgeries and, and hospitals, it's kind of seen
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as kind of proper quote UN quote, medical kind of
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treatment. And it's always seemed confusing
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to me because this Venn diagram doesn't have to be separate.
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They can overlap. And it seems like you saw that
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actually hypnosis was used in a, even if it wasn't called
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hypnosis, but hypnosis was used there.
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And that kind of planted a seed of an idea of actually, it can
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really help people in situations that it's not normally used.
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How did that change your trajectory after that point?
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You know, from there, from the 80s onwards?
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Well, it really didn't change. I mean, I'm still, I'm a nurse
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anesthetist so I'm still doing general anaesthesia, but
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certainly in the preoperative area it definitely has changed.
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I'm kind of semi retired now and so I'm not really doing general
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anesthesia anymore. I'm doing what we just conscious
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sedation and so forth. But I'm utilizing it in the pre
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op area quite a bit when I do work in pain management.
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And I'm also working in an angioplasty suite where we had
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very, very sick patients. And it really supplements what
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we're doing when we can't really give them anything because we're
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scared they're going to die on the table, to be quite frank,
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right? And you could calm them down.
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You can lower their blood pressure.
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You can just supplement whatever local they're getting, which
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sometimes isn't enough, but you can supplement it with hypnosis.
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The issue that is that you really don't call it hypnosis.
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What when? Especially when you're in the
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hospital setting. I work at a surgery center, so
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it's more privately owned and I have more leeway and the doctors
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are actually more open to it. Where is when you're in the
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hospital setting, it becomes a question of liability.
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You call it hypnosis. It's not really accepted.
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And so you just do it without telling people what you're
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doing. You're doing guided imagery,
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you're doing visualizations. This hard to get it accepted.
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And even in the areas such as with IBS or pain management
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where it is really accepted and there are studies on it, it's
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still very hard to get recognized as a valid tool
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sometimes. It's because I believe that it
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takes a while to do it for most. I mean, yes, there are rapid
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inductions and so forth, but it's not as fast as, OK, let me
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put it in IV and give the meds and that's that.
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And let's go on. You know, we got the next case
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to do. That's what you run into.
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You have the next case to do. Yeah, it's a stressful
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environment. There's a heavy work workload,
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lots of spinning plates. And I've always thought, you
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know, particularly doctors and, you know, anyone in a level of
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authority, particularly in the medical world, you know,
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naturally have this kind of prestige.
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Lots of hypnotists talk about this kind of prestige that's
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already there that can kind of help with hypnotic suggestions.
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They already have that. They already have that
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authority. I think it was the authority.
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Yeah. I think it was Stanley Milgram
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back in the in the 50s did a very, you know, profound study
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in, in kind of compliance based on authority.
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And if someone wearing a white coat said something, the
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compliance went went through the roof.
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So you've got people with a lot of credibility, a lot of
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prestige giving lots of very firm suggestions with, with
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complete concurrency as well. I mean, there is that downward
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inflection. It's very authoritative.
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A lot of hypnosis is happening, probably by doctors that don't
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even realize they're doing hypnosis.
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All the time and it it like stop saying, you know, 93 percent
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chance of dying right right there or say this is going to
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hurt it. It just boggles my mind.
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This is going to hurt. As a matter of fact, I had the
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other day, I had a little kind of wart thing taking off my
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ankle. And the dermatologist is coming
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with the, you know, the she's going to freeze it off with the
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nitrous, nitrous nitrogen. And so she's going to freeze it
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off and she's telling me it's going to hurt.
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And I tell her, don't say that, just say it might be a little
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uncomfortable. And then she adds, and you might
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feel a gentle breeze as it freezes off, right.
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So she she took it. What got me is she knew it, but
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she wasn't utilizing it. She was telling me how it was
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going to hurt. It was going to burn and hurt.
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And then when I corrected her, she knew just what to say, that
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it was going to be a gentle breeze.
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It wasn't like I told her to say that, right?
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And it's just their training and they, they model what they see.
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And all the people before have said this is going to be a bee
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sting. This is going to hurt, you know?
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And so that's what they do. And some of the docs will change
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when pointed out, but it's, again, it does need repetition
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because they've learned it a certain way.
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So they need constant reinforcement of this is how you
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should say it, this is how you should say it.
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And on top of that, here in the United States, we have, it's
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called the Joint Commission, where you have to ask a patient
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three times a day, I believe, whatever the rules are.
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But you have to say on a scale of one to 10, what is your pain?
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So you are reinforcing that pain every time you take their blood
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pressure, every time you're in the recovery room.
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I mean, you're saying what is your pain on one to 10 instead
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of saying what is your comfort level, right?
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And you're just banging your head against the wall and
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there's really nothing you can do about it at this point.
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It's those are the rules and you just play the game a little bit.
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Yeah, that's it. And and it's the power of words,
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isn't it? The power of language?
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Because I've never actually done hypno birthing with any clients,
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but I know lots of people that that really that's the thing
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that they do. And and one of the first things
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that they learn in hypno birthing is you don't use the
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word pain. You use lots of words like
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sensations, comfort, you notice things, you know, but this idea
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of, of pain being, you know, a suggestion, I mean, that's a
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label, you know, and, and, and it sets people up and, and, and
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I think, you know, that's, that's one example of, you know,
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albeit in maternity words where you do have hypnosis alongside
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kind of nursing and, and, and kind of doctors.
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So you know things are are moving in a direction I would
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say. You know, I, I because I was
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married to a physician to speak on the other side of the coin.
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And, you know, if they don't tell somebody who has cancer,
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these are your statistics here, then they could be sued that
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they, they didn't tell them the full story.
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I remember I'm I'm that old that when I first went into nursing,
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I was working in oncology and people were not told at the time
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that they had cancer because it was a death sentence.
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There was not the chemotherapy that they have now.
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So a lot of people weren't told. Whereas now that you have to
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tell them and you have to tell them the statistics.
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And it's very important how you tell them.
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I was listening to Doctor Bierman just the other day and
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he was talking about how statistics are extrapolated.
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And I actually just had AI have a girlfriend who was given a
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horrible diagnosis for her child with white brain matter.
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And I emphasize to her, it's just extrapolation, right?
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It's doesn't mean it's your daughter is going to have that
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outcome because she was supposed to die at age 4 and she's 28.
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So obviously she is not in that group.
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And so doctors have to be really careful how they tell people
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what's what's going to happen. You know, it's, it's, it is a, a
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weighing of, of what do you need to tell them, you know, so that
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they can get everything in order or, or even I told I, I'm in a
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group with on Facebook, a lot of groups on total needs because I
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had a total need done. And I tell people, stop
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listening to the scary stories. It's their story.
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It's not going to be your story. And if you happen to have some a
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hiccup, and I use the word hiccup instead of a complication
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that you'll be able to handle it and you'll do it well and you'll
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have a good prognosis and doctors will go, you healed so
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quickly. You know, even with the little
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hiccup, you healed very nicely. So it's, it's almost like
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setting up ourselves up for failure versus setting ourselves
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up for success. Also what you want, not what you
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don't want. Yeah.
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So it's, it's a fine line because I think there is a, a
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requirement to manage expectations and not, not hide
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truths and, and, and kind of facts, But equally, there's a
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lot of power in the point of delivery.
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And, and for some people, news could feel like a death sentence
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and other people it could feel like, OK, it's, it's a
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challenge, but there is hope. And, and it's how that is
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delivered. And when something bad happens
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to someone and that could be something very traumatic,
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there's a way of framing it where they can be a survivor or
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a victim. And one tends to be more
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empowering than the other. And it doesn't change what's
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happened. It changes everything about the
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meaning given to what's happened and and then what what follows.
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We're both speaking at the Irish Hypnotherapy Conference in in
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April over in Dublin. What's your talk going to be on?
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My talk is going to be on using hypnosis in the preoperative
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area and also supplementing for certain procedures where you can
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supplement what's going on, let's say in the angioplasty
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suite and and so forth. And then John Scanlon and I had
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a discussion just the other day and I'm going to have a pre
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conference workshop where it's going to be medical hypnosis,
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one O 1A crash course because there's more than just pre op in
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the operating room or in the hospital setting.
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There's also IBS, there's pain management, there's hair
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pulling, there's all kinds of places to use medical hypnosis
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and also in disease prevention, changing lifestyle.
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I mean, I work in the angioplasty suite and I can tell
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you diabetes and high blood pressure, that's it.
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It's, it's if we could get a handle on that, it would change
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everyone's lifestyle. They're the, the number of years
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they have and the quality that they have of life.
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If they, if people's lifestyle just would change and how they
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handle their stress, how do they handle the negative things that
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have happened in their life? Because we all have negative
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things, some more than others, some more traumatic than others.
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But we, that's part of being human and how you deal with that
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influences your body. And that's where we can use
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hypnosis especially, and how we deal with that, yeah.
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Yeah. And I think a lot of the time I
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think generations think about things differently.
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When when I think of my parents generation, a lot of it is, you
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know, kind of you've got some kind of an issue and then you
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get medical treatment. You're you're treating the
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symptoms, you're treating what's happened.
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Maybe I was fortunate, but but I had this kind of way of looking
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at stuff that if I'm sick, I have to deal with the cause
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rather than the the symptom. What do I need to sleep better?
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Do I need to drink more water? Do I need to eat more fruit?
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You know that element of reverse engineering, say, well, how did
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I get to this place and then change that?
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But but if I have that conversation with my parents,
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it's like I'm speaking a different language.
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It's kind of like, no, you see, you go to the doctor, they write
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a prescription, you take it like it's, it's, it's a cause and
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effect, but they're looking at the, the issue.
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And then the, the effect is we know you take the medication
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rather than what led to this. And, and you're right with
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diabetes in particular, because let's say, you know, in, in most
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Western societies, obesity is an issue.
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People don't join the dots that if you're overweight for long
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enough, you get the insulin resistance that can lead to type
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2 diabetes, which is very reversible, but only if you
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believe it is. But if it but if it isn't, then
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it might have those kind of element of, you know, have
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certain, let's say kind of wounds that don't heal and then
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it could lead to an amputation. 1 amputation could lead to
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another amputation. Suddenly they're in a
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wheelchair, they can't really exercise.
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And it's kind of like that's like the 10th domino that that's
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fallen and the time to really deal with it was at domino one
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or two when they were slightly overweight.
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What do you think needs to change for for people to prevent
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the issues before they become the issues?
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You know, I am in that age category where it was not in my
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growing up, this knowledge and especially in the medical world,
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it was not in my knowledge, right?
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What? I wasn't taught anything like
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that. As a matter of fact, I remember
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nursing school being taught that once you were an adult, the
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brain was formed. That's it, right?
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And here I am like, I think I started in, well, I got
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certified in 2000. So, you know, learning all of
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this, this new stuff between the mind body connection that I had
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not a clue about not, I'm telling you, not a clue.
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And it's really we're lucky that that it's being more accepted.
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Holistic nursing, for example, is being accepted.
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Integrative medicine is being accepted.
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But there's still a lot of work to do as far as lifestyle.
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I mean, but definitely, you know, getting to the root of an
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an emotional issue like I was dealing with just, I've had
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quite a few clients lately with a chronic cough of all things,
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right? And they've gone through all
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these medical tests and they get, you know, now the hypnotist
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refers them to me because I do medical hypnosis.
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And there's usually a root issue that is stopping them from
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speaking up for themselves. But when I explained to them
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about the parasympathetic and sympathetic nervous system and
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it closes down on the vessels and then you have the chronic
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cough, they go, oh, and that's the authority that you're
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talking about and then they accept more of that.
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OK, then let's get to that issue of why you're that's stimulating
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your sympathetic nervous system, right?
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To react. And what was the questionnaire
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I, I get on my soapbox right? Because I see the connection so
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strongly between emotional issues and what's going on with
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anxiety. Whatever it is, there's an
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emotional issue that has to be released.
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And there are so many techniques that we have to release them.
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And and you need, my feeling is you can't just keep on putting a
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Band-Aid on it. No, you can't do it.
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Yeah, and, and, and I think particularly the Pharmaceutical
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industry, if we if we kind of niche down rather than looking
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at kind of the medical industry like it's just one, you know,
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kind of thing. The Pharmaceutical industry
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mainly is they're looking at symptoms and, and how do you how
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do you reduce symptoms? And, and, and lots of these
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things are are almost looked at in isolation.
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But quite often one thing one thing is connected to something
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else is, is connected to something else.
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If if someone is got high levels of stress over a long period of
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time, that's going to mean more cortisol, it's probably going to
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mean more adrenaline. That's probably going to affect
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sleep. If they sleep all the time,
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they're probably going to be eating more processed food to
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give them some form of an energy.
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And then you've got this kind of whole ripple effect that kind of
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leads to conditions. Plus a lot of the time the
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medication itself has side effects that they need other
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medications to mitigate the side effects.
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And it's kind of like, well, if you, if you rewind it all the
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way back, it's kind of like there is such a huge pay off
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from having good mental health, having good physical health,
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having good sleep, having good diet and it, and it's one of
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these things that can almost prevent all the very worst
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things happening just by getting some of the some of the key
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things. I mean, even even the things
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about keeping your weight, never mind diabetes and, and blood
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pressure, but even orthopedically speaking, so that
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you don't need to have, well, my knee problems came from skiing
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accidents. But still, you know, people if
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they could just take 10% of their weight off their knees
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will get better just by that. And if they could not put on the
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50 lbs, then maybe they won't have to have any knee problems
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to begin with. You know, we have the ability to
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really have a better quality of life.
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One of the gals that I was just working with, with the chronic
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cough and she was on, because of my medical background, I asked
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her what medication she's on. And she was on a statin that is
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known for coughing. So I spoke to her son and the
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son spoke to the doctor, always speaking to the doctor, never
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telling someone on my own, right.
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And so speak to the doctor that maybe this is part of the reason
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for her cough. And within two weeks, her cough
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was much better. Then I was able to get to the
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reason for the cough, which kind of started many years ago and
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which led to the high blood pressure, right?
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So it's a cascade cascading problem, right?
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And all you're doing, you know, medications definitely have
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their purpose and their place, but so does hypnosis.
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It certainly does. And you're going to do some
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hypnosis for us very shortly. But before we get into that and,
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and, and you explaining what you're going to be doing, if
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people are curious to learn more about you or to work with you or
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to take the training and, and, and your pre conference
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workshop, where can they go For more information?
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OK, Well my website is Hypnotherapy for health.com and
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my phone number here in the US is 510-552-7576 and then my
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e-mail is set, Deborah without the hyphen, just SETHDEBRAH at
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Hypnotherapy for health.com and I will get back in touch with
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them. If you, if you drop me a
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message, I'll make sure they're in the show notes as well.
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So you don't have to remember that if you're listening, just
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look in the show notes and you can find Seth's contact details
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and, and website and those kind of things.
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But you're going to do some hypnosis for us right now.
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So tell us what you're going to be covering and then we'll I'll
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put myself on mute and and hand it over to you.
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So this is just a very simple technique that I use in the pre
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op area, combining a little bit of heart math, their technique
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and then combining some breathing.
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And it's doesn't take long at all.
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It doesn't take long at all. And I find it very effective.
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And it's also something that I teach other nurses because I'm
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only one person, right? I can't be in all the pre op
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areas, but you know, in the pre op area, usually people's blood
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pressure goes up. I mean, we give them 1520 extra
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points just for nerves. Even even if you don't think
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you're nervous, when I take your blood pressure, it's showing up,
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right? That's your subconscious mind.
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You're still nervous. So this is just a technique that
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I've kind of combined the heart math and what I called the the
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red rose technique and I've added something called the
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Raspberry, which my daughter laughs with.
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It's so we'll do it. It's a really quick technique
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that you can just use of course in the preoperative area, but
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you can use it on your own just if something's really you need
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to slow down and get more centered.
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You know, when we are all wound up, we're almost like that part
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of us is a 12 year old child that can't make any good
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decisions when you're all wound up.
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And so you just need to unmerge with that part of you that is
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all wound up so. I'm interested to hear this.
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So I'm going to enjoy the experience with you.
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So I'm going to put myself on you and it's all over to you,
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OK? And it's very quick.
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So you're going to just sit in the chair and you've got to keep
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your head even, right? And you're just going to look
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upwards at your eyebrows. And you could look at your
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eyebrows or a spot in front of you high up on the wall and just
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take some nice slope breathing in and breathing out.
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Now what I'd like you to do is focus on your heart doing your
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breathing instead of your lungs. Your heart is breathing in and
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out, and your eyes are starting to get heavy.
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And just go ahead and feel that heaviness in your eyes, allowing
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yourself to blink. That's right, blinking.
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And then when you're ready, you could just close your eyes.
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That's right. Just allow your eyes to close,
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taking another heart breath, breathing in and breathing out,
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and allow yourself to just feel your heart expanding within your
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rib cage and breathing from your upper part of your chest where
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your collarbone is. And I just let go of the breath.
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And what I'd like you to do now is imagine a beautiful red rose
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in front of you. Just imagine that red rose.
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See it? You can see the petals, the
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redness make it lighter red, darker red, that perfect red
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rose in front of you. And now what I'd like you to do
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is imagine smelling, breathing in the beautiful fragrance of
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that red rose. Hold it for a moment, and now
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imagine that there is a handle in front of you, and slowly
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purse your lips and blow out the candle.
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Breathe in the red rose, see it, breathe it in, let it go into
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your senses. And now blow out the candle.
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Breathe in that rose into your senses.
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Blow out the candle. That's right.
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And now just go ahead and take your left or your right hand,
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whichever is more comfortable for you, and place it on your
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opposite wrist and gently squeeze the hand, the wrist, and
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say in a deep voice, peace. Peace.
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Could say it out loud or to yourself three times, peace.
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And now what I'd like you to do is take anything that's
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bothering you, any fear, anything that's bothering you,
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and you're going to do what I call the Raspberry technique.
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You're just going to take that fear, irritation, and on the
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count of three, you're just going to blow out a Raspberry
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and send it to the universe and give it away.
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You don't need it anymore. 1-2 and three and then let yourself
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giggle and then open your eyes when you're ready.
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It's just a quick technique that I use preoperatively and it I
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find the giggle is really, it changes things.
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It changes all the transmitters in your body.
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Getting that giggle going. Absolutely.
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It's a great pattern interrupts, isn't it?
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They're they're not expecting to be blowing Raspberry in in just
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before a bit of surgery and, and that kind of stuff.
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I know, I know. And it was, there's probably a
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little element of regression there as well, because for most
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people, the last time they blew a Raspberry, they were probably
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a child. And you know, it kind of brings
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back those kind of, you know, playground kind of memories and,
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and those kind of things. I think it's a it's a great
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you're. Right, I never thought of it
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all. I remember just being in a car,
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the car with my daughter and and something was bothering me and
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I, both of us, and we cracked up and I went OK.
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So, so yes, brings us back to childhood.
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That's it. And this is a theory as well
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called the lore of dominant effect.
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And, and an intense emotion will displace a different emotion.
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And if you're feeling silly or playful, that's going to
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displace that kind of anxiety. So, you know, it sounds like a
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silly thing to do, but, you know, think of something that's
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that's causing a problem blowing a Raspberry.
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But you know, there's a lot, a lot going on there, which I
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think is, is probably very helpful.
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Here we are this side of Christmas.
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We've got the Irish Shipner therapy conference in, in April
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in, in Dublin right now. I think up until January there
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is an early bird price. If you're listening to this and
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you want to listen to Seth's talk on medical hypnosis or the
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medical hypnosis 101, the pre conference workshop, check out
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that link in the show notes. I think it's Irish hypnotherapy
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conference dot IE. So check that out.
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There's some early bird prices there.
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And I'll also be doing a talk at the conference as well.
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Seth, it's been an absolute pleasure to have you on the the
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podcast today. Thank you so much for inviting
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me. No, it's been an absolute
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privilege and I'm looking forward to seeing your talk over
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in Dublin. And to everyone listening,
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thanks for listening. And probably the next episode
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will me be me doing some hypnosis rather than a guest
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hypnotist. So yeah, stay in touch and and
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listen to the next show. Seth, thank you very much again.
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