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Life Before Life: Exploring Children's Memories of Previous Lives · Other Peoples Parenting

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Hello, everyone.
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Welcome back to another episode of Other People's Parenting, where we read parenting books and review them for you.
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I'm Skylar Hurwitz, amateur parent, and this is my mom, Karen Quinn, New York Times best selling author and founder of Habit Coach and Testing Mom.
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Hello, mom.
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Hi, Skyler.
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Today we're doing something spooky even though we're a week late.
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Well, I guess we are.
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That's.
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True.
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We're.
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True.
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ADHD fashion, we are late.
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But this, because this book was pretty dense and thick, so we were like, we want to cover it properly.
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But last week, one, we had guests, which was like a big fun distraction.
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And two, we were just like, oh, my God, this needs.
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This needs a lot of notes.
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Yes.
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So, Tina, would you care to show us the.
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Book?
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This is the book, actually.
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It's called Life After Life.
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No, Life Before Life.
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Oh, right.
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Life Before Life.
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Why did I say that?
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Life after Life.
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No.
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Well, kind of like an afterlife, but no, it's life before Life.
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Life is a circle.
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Yes.
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This is Life Before Children's Memories of Previous Lives by Jim Tucker, M.D.
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He's a child psychiatrist.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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So this book I got a real big kick out of because I love spooky, sort of like ghosty things.
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And this book is about children who have been reincarnated, who remember their past lives.
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But it's a book about science.
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And because they explore a lot of quantum theories about sort of like, is consciousness, you know, part of a, you know, alive brain?
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Or can consciousness exist outside of an alive brain?
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Yeah, well, and they're also kind of asking the question, like, is the explanation for these children's memories.
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Reincarnation?
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Yes.
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So maybe it's something else.
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I mean, this book was written by someone who's a man of science.
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A man of science?
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Yes.
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A doctor.
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A doctor of science.
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And so he's asking, like, yes, reincarnation could explain it, but so could other things.
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And so they look at everything very, very scientifically in this particular book.
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Yeah.
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And some of the things that it could potentially be if reincarnation is off the table are fraud.
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Right.
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Lying kids can have very active imaginations.
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And I like how they discuss this a lot.
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Like, we talk so much about early childhood and how kids.
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There are so many studies about how kids are incredib porous between the ages of 0 and 3.
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That's why it's so much easier for them to learn language.
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It's so much easier for them.
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They really do absorb literally anything and everything they come into contact with.
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And so I believe that children have their third eye wide open.
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Right.
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And.
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Just, like, teen.
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Yeah, no, that's right.
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And that's why I thought it was important for us to read this book, too, because you have a daughter who is now one and a half.
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Or, you know,.
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She could be discussing previous.
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I've seen.
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And I want to make sure that you can recognize it if she brings it up in the next few years.
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Yeah.
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I loved this book.
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I mean, it's.
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You hear about this and you think, oh, my God, that's absurd.
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Like, there aren't ghosts.
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There aren't spirits.
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No one has a soul.
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Everything is garbage.
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But I disagree.
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Now that you've read it.
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Now that I've read this.
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But I believed it before.
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Like, I'm super inclined to believe that ghosts are real, that we can commune with the spirit realm.
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I remember my mom and I had this psychic who I loved so much.
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Siobhan.
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She wasn't a medium or anything, but she truly was a psychic.
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Yeah, she was great.
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Yeah.
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She read Tarot.
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She didn't just, like, do this and then be like, this is your future.
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She would, like, read your birth chart.
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You could ask her questions.
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And what I loved so much about Siobhan was that she was also a psychotherapist.
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And what I felt she had an amazing ability to do is give you a space where you could be really, really honest about your deepest desires.
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And she gave you permission to believe they were possible.
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Yeah.
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Cause she would read your picture with your cards and your horoscope, and she was wonderful.
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Yeah.
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She sadly died.
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But,.
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Siobhan, if you're out there, I'm looking for you girl in the spirit realm.
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She's probably out there.
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Maybe she's one of your angels.
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I believe she is.
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I believe she's with me very much.
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All right,.
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So let's get into the book.
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All right, so.
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Okay, well, we'll start with just a little background.
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This is a book written by a child psychiatrist.
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And what he's doing is he's reviewing some of the many cases that were started by Dr.
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Ian Stevenson, who started 60 years ago at the University of Virginia.
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When I first read Ian Stevenson, I was like, oh, Allen Stevenson, like the school.
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This guy started a school for kids.
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Different.
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Not true, inaccurate.
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Okay.
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This is Dr.
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Ian Stevenson, really the father of this whole line of research about children remembering previous lives.
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And so what he's done is he's giving us some of Dr.
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Stevenson's cases and many of his own.
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Yes.
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Now, Dr.
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Stevenson focused on Asian cases and there's more cases in Asia just because they believe in reincarnation there.
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So parents are more open to when their children start talking about it.
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Eastern philosophy around death is really interesting.
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I feel like in the west we really pathologize death, whereas death is just a normal thing.
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It happens to everything and everyone at some point.
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Life is a cycle.
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It begins and it ends.
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And I feel like they have a much more open minded idea.
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Of.
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This idea of the soul and that souls are among us and not all souls necessarily have a body or like a human body, but that they can take so many forms.
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Yeah.
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And so, so there are more cases there, which you'll see when we talk about Jim Tucker, the author of this book focused on U.S.
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cases and cases that they generally talk about are considered solved.
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And they're solved if they're able to go back and identify the previous personality that the child is talking about.
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When they start talking about that they used to be someone else in another life.
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Because what happens is when that happens and then they go find the person and they realize there really was a person who.
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Well, they find their family, people who knew them, they visit their home and they basically check claims made by the child against information from the family of the person.
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Exactly.
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And then.
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It's.
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Solved.
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At that point, we solved the case.
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This child was in fact reincarnated.
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Well, I don't know if they say that, but they say this child is talking about this person.
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Clearly.
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And these are people who they prove that there is really no other way they could have known this information.
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Another interesting way they can determine is if a child, they say one thing occasionally or often, the person who was the original personality that the child is remembering and as being them, that they often die in pretty violent
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and quick ways.
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Yes.
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And sometimes the child will have a birthmark indicative of that situation.
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Yes, that's right.
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They'll have a birth.
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There's birthmark cases.
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And then a lot of these kids are also.
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And we'll talk about this.
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They're also highly traumatized by the way that their previous personality may have died.
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Yes.
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So if a previous personality drowned, then you might find a baby who doesn't like water, who hates getting a bath and goes crazy.
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So that's another possibility.
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I.
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Thought that was such an interesting thing too, because we talk a lot.
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I've read a lot of books about intergenerational trauma, like books about the Holocaust and how occasionally descendants of Holocaust survivors or people who didn't survive the Holocaust will carry that trauma that they didn't experience themselves into their own
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lives.
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And I wonder if this is a version of that, because they say trauma can literally live in your DNA.
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Well, that's one of the possible explanations that they give for all of this.
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The body keeps the score, yo.
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Right, Right.
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They say that's a possibility.
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Maybe somehow this.
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Whether it's their own or someone else in their family's trauma that is carried through.
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Yeah.
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So some of these kids end up being reborn into the orig person's family, but many of them are not.
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Right.
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And they.
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Strangers.
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Strangers.
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And they have.
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They're like, I am not in the right family.
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Right.
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Where are my children?
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Where are my cigarettes?
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Right.
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Where's my alcohol?
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I need to.
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Drink.
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You're three.
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You can't have one.
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Yeah,.
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That's right.
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And so anyway, so.
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So all in all of these cases.
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Well, why don't we go into some of the cases?
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Team give.
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Us the macro.
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All right, well, I'll just let's.
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Because we've talked about.
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We talked about a lot of, you know, things that happen around it.
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The phobias.
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Oh, and I wanted to mention on the phobias.
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Let me stop with that for a minute.
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The book that we read, this book was not the first book I wanted to read, what I was hoping to read.
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I had remembered that, like, 25 years ago, I read a book that I loved, and it was called.
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It was.
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I don't remember.
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Let's see.
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It was called Children's Past Lives by Carol Bowman.
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And I remembered that.
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I remember reading it and just thinking, wow, that is a great book.
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And I was looking for it.
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I couldn't find it.
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So I found that one.
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And we did this one.
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But.
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Carol's a better writer.
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But I thought Carol was a better writer.
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She told a story better.
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And so I was writing up these notes, okay.
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And I was saying, you know, because Carol, what Carol was, was.
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She was a mom who had a child who remembered a past life.
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And it turned out the life that he remembered was being a soldier during the Civil War who died on the battlefield, got.
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Shot.
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And this kid was always really afraid of loud noises.
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And so she was, like, wondering, like, what's going on here?
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And her child was giving her all these memories.
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And then she was able to do some research and find evidence that the person he was existed.
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Well, anyway, so she wrote these books and started studying this.
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This whole.
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Topic.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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And so I really wanted to read her book.
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And so.
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But.
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Alas, it's out of print.
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Could not find it.
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But I Thought, God, I still want to recommend it to everyone on the podcast.
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And so I'm thinking,.
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If you can find it,.
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If you can find it, find it.
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It's a really good book.
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And so.
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But I.
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Anyway, what happened was I was.
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I was putting it in my notes, and then I thought, you know, the other thing I want to recommend to everyone on the podcast is this other podcast called the Telepathy Tapes.
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So I went to the Telepathy Tapes, and I saw that the person who does that podcast had just started a new series called the Reincarnation Records.
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And I listened.
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God,.
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She loves an alliteration.
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I knew she does.
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And so, anyways, I listened to the first episode of the Reincarnation Records, and who is the first guest?
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Carol Bowman.
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And I was like,.
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Full circle.
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Oh, my God,.
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I told you.
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Your third eye wide open.
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It really is, isn't it?
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I was like, wow.
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I mean, I haven't thought of this woman in 25 years.
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I think of her, next thing you know, there.
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She is.
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There she is.
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So I do recommend, if you like this topic, if you're interested, go to the Reincarnation Records.
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Yeah.
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Also, the telepathy tapes are worth exploring.
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The story is essentially these kids who are intensely autistic.
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They are at the, you know, harshest end of the spectrum, many of which are nonverbal, some of which can't physically.
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They can't really take care of themselves at all.
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But it's the nonverbal cases that they focus on, because the telepathy tapes poses this hypothesis that these kids actually can telepathically communicate with their caretakers.
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Right.
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And there's a lot of evidence that supports it.
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But there are a lot of critics who say this might just be wishful thinking on behalf of the parents, which I understand, you know, having a child that you cannot communicate with, you really probably.
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I personally would search for any sign.
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But if you listen to the telepathy tapes,.
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They're convincing.
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Very convincing.
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It's a very good podcast.
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There's an accompanying article that New York magazine did about it that's also worth reading after you listen to it, that talks about the ways in which, like, okay, this could be correct, or it could also be this.
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Right.
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But what I liked about this book is that he says, listen, the cases I'm presenting to you are the ones where we have no scientific explanation for what else this could be beyond reincarnation.
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And they go through all of the different options.
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And so you.
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Like fraud,.
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Right?
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And they say, you decide, you know, you see what you think?
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The other book that I want to recommend to people is Many Lives, many Masters by Dr.
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Brian Weiss, which is a little different.
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It's more about grownups who get hypnotized and they remember a previous life under hypnosis.
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And often this resolves their trauma.
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Current traumas or life.
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Yeah, it's a really good book.
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I had a recurring dream for years, and I still occasionally have this dream that I am a young native boy.
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Well, you might,.
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But.
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But it's crazy because I.
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I'm a young native boy, and these older men in my tribe are threatened by me, so they bury me alive.
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Oh,.
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I know.
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And that's how I die.
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And in this life, I have so much fear when I am being squished and crushed and feel like I can't get air into my.
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Sometimes my husband likes to do it.
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Cause he thinks it's hilarious.
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But I have such an intense physical reaction to it.
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And after reading this book, I wonder if it is trauma from when I was buried alive by my tribe elders.
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Well, you know, you could get hypnotized and go regress and find out if it was.
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They were worried I was too powerful,.
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Huh?
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They were just worried I was a threat to the entire hierarchy of the tribe.
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Gosh, that's really interesting.
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So they buried.
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Me.
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Well, anyway.
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Yeah.
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I mean, many years ago, I actually got hypnotized to be regressed.
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I was trying to.
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What'd you find?
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Well, I remembered a previous life, but the problem was afterwards I wondered if I hadn't made it up.
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So that's the thing.
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And that's what they said.
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What did you remember?
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Well, I remembered a life being in a fort, in a battle.
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And I described it very well, specifically.
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But the point was, afterwards, I wasn't sure if I had just made it up.
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And that's what they say.
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The difference is that with these adults.
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Yeah.
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That go back and remember things, they could.
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It could be something they saw on television.
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Oh, yeah, sorry.
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So with the adults, it's unverified.
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It's all unverified.
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And.
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And it could be a memory or it could be so many things.
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But with these kids, these are spontaneous utterances that they make when they're very young.
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Yeah.
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And they've never been.
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You know,.
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And they don't have a concept, really.
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Like, I'm sure kids don't totally understand what lying is, but something like this is different.
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This is a remembering that they're experiencing.
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And they are so convinced that what they are experiencing is a memory.
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And they can recall such specific details that, again, are ultimately verified.
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Right.
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And now when they.
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In.
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In this book, what they do is they do give you.
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Here are the other explanations, and these are the ones they say that they look at every time.
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Is it a fraud by the parents or the child?
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Intentional lying?
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Are the kids engaged in fantasy play?
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Did they acquire the knowledge just by overhearing their parents talk?
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Or, you know,.
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Like, if they.
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If they think that they are a former family member.
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Right.
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Or parents and witnesses have faulty memories.
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Genetic memory, which is what you were talking about.
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Maybe there's esp.
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Mind reading,.
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Which is that really.
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I love how we're like, they can't be reincarnated.
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But it could be esp.
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I'm saying maybe, you know, that's possible.
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I mean, it could be that, you know, maybe the parent.
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Parents thinking about that, and they read a mind possession by a spirit, which would be just as.
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Just.
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As likely.
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Easily.
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As likely, if not more so.
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But anyway, so those are all that.
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They're like, well, these are the other explanations.
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You decide, what do you think?
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But again, so much of this book talks about quantum physics and this idea.
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There are lots of quantum ideas.
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Quantum entanglement, quantum physics, all these laws.
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But this idea of a soul.
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Right.
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Is really what's at the center of this book.
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Energy.
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Consciousness.
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Yeah, consciousness.
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Energy.
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Is there something that we leave behind beyond our bodies that can then be transferred somewhere else?
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Yes,.
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To a new body, whether it's a human or an animal or an object.
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You know, like, I think that's very interesting and very plausible, because what is there.
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There's a law of physics that's like, energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed.
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Yeah,.
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Don't quote me on I don't know, but it's something like that.
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You're.
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No physicist.
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I'm no physicist.
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However.
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Right, okay, so.
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So the first case.
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Let's see, we'll.
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We'll start with a birthmark case.
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This is Suleiman Caper from Turkey.
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And a couple Turkish cases.
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Yeah.
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His mother had a dream that a man she didn't recognize told her he was killed with a blow from a shovel.
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So when Suleiman was born, the back of his skull was partially depressed and he had a birthmark there.
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When he could talk, he said he'd been a miller who died when an angry customer milled wheat.
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You know, you make like, bread and stuff.
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I think you.
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Okay, I think that's what that is.
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A miller who died when an angry customer hit him on the head.
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He gave the name of the miller and the village where he lived.
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In fact, an angry customer had killed a miller in that village by hitting him on the back of his head with a shovel.
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And they went back and found all that.
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Yeah.
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And so remind me, what ages do these memories tend to start presenting?
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2.
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They start between 2, and they go till about 6 or 7, and then they tend to dissipate after.
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That.
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So in theory, you know, kids at that age are typically not literate.
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They can't read or write.
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No.
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So it's not as if they could have found some sort of information about that person, retained it, regurgitated it.
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No, no.
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Now, here's another one.
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Or you want to talk about Patrick Christensen from Michigan?
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Tell that.
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Story.
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So Patrick Christensen was born in 1991, and his mom had noticed that he had three defects that matched those of his older brother who had died a few years earlier of cancer.
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And Kevin had received chemo through a port line on the right side of his neck.
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And Patrick was born with a birthmark on the right side of his neck in the same spot.
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Yeah.
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Ooh,.
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Spooky.
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It is a little spooky.
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So that's another case that was verified.
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And these are the cases where they have lots of documentation.
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They went back, and they tried to document everything that was true about what the child was saying.
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Yeah.
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And now we have Nesip.
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And I called him Nesip Yu because his last name was so long.
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I.
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Couldn't pronounce it.
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Yeah, it had a lot of diacritical markings.
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I had no idea.
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But anyway, Nesip from Turkey was born with a number of birthmarks.
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His first name.
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They originally named him Malik.
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Malik.
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Malik.
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Oh, okay, Malik.
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And then they changed the name to, I guess, Nakati, after the mother had a dream in which the baby told her, no, my name is supposed to be Nesip.
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But they had a relative named Nesip, so they went with Nakati instead.
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As the boy grew up, he insisted that everyone call him Nesip and he would only answer to that name.
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So they called him Nesip.
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At 6, he told his family that he had children and he'd been stabbed repeatedly in his prior life.
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Also that he was from merson, a city 50 miles away.
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One thing that we forgot to mention is these announcement dreams.
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So some mothers report after they find out that their child believes they were reincarnated, that they remember these dreams they had where someone was announcing that they were coming back.
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Either coming back or coming to you.
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Yeah,.
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Right, exactly.
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Which, like, whoa.
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They had had the dream.
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So anyway, well, he had said he was from this city 50 miles away.
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When he was 12, they took him to a town near Mercer to visit his mother's father and his new wife.
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And when they met her, he recognized her and said that she had been.
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That she was now his real grandmother, but that she'd been like a grandmother in another life.
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And in fact, she had previously lived in Merson and had been called Grandmother by everybody.
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And a neighbor of hers named Nessette Buddak had been stabbed and killed shortly before the child Nesip was born.
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They took the child to Merson where he recognized Nessip Buddak's family members and many items that had belonged to him.
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And he mentioned that he had once cut his wife on the leg during an argument, which was true.
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Sounds like a very nice man.
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Maybe he didn't need to come back.
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Right.
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Many of the child Nessep's birthmarks matched the locations of his stab wounds in the previous life.
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Were able to go back and get the medical records.
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So that was another case.
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Yeah.
22:57
Okay, so this was a case where they were strangers to this family.
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Yes,.
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But then they.
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They did.
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But.
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Then they found them.
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Yeah.
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And confirmed.
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And then there's this thing called experimental birthmarks.
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And this is when this is something in Asian countries where they believe in reincarnation.
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And a lot of times what they'll do is they'll put a spot on the body of somebody that.
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Who has passed away.
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Right.
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So that they Might wreck recognize them if they come back.
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Was.
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That like a tattoo?
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No, no.
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I mean, it could be just like a.
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It could be just like a.
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Marker,.
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Stick, mark.
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Yeah.
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Or a marker with anything.
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So that's a common thing.
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And then they give us a case of an experimental mark case.
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I like that.
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That they're sort of like, we are looking out for your soul to come back.
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Right.
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And I really.
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It makes me wonder, you know, there are some cultures, specifically in Asia, but also I even think of the way people treat death in Mexico.
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It's not quite a celebration, but they have the day of the Dead where they make these altars for the people who had passed away that they loved.
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And I wonder if maybe it's a bit of a different experience because it's not as if they're really gone.
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Because the expectation is that they will come back in another form.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And that's what they do with this experimental marking.
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And this is a case of Chloe Matt Weiser, a boy in Thailand.
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Eighteen months before he was born, his maternal grandmother was dying.
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And she said she wanted to come back as a boy so she could have a mistress.
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Like her husband had.
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Petty queen.
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When she died, her daughter in law used a paste to make a mark down the back of her neck so they'd recognize her if she was reborn.
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So this was a mark she did not already have.
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Right.
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And Chloe's mother had an announcing dream when she was three months pregnant that the grandmother said, I'm coming back.
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And when he was born, he had a discoloration on the back of his neck matching where the experimental mark had been as a young boy.
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He said that he was his grandmother, and he told people that his grandmother's rice fields belonged to him.
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He also showed a number of feminine behaviors as a child.
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Like he would wear girls clothing, makeup, and he would sit down to urinate.
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And that happened.
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We saw Kate.
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We see cases of both boys who come back as girls and girls who come back as boys.
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And don't feel right in their bodies.
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Yes, yes.
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Which I thought was interesting.
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Very interesting.
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It is interesting.
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There are a lot of stories of native children who experienced that.
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Not in this book, but I've read other books about it.
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There are many native tribes who believe deeply in reincarnation.
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And it's like an honor thing, you know, to come back as somebody who was loved before.
25:48
Right.
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It's.
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Like a big honor for the family.
25:51
All right, well, let me tell another.
25:53
Another case.
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And then we have so many cases.
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Yeah, we'll give you like the most interesting ones.
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Give you some.
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Of the more interesting ones.
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This was Sujith Jayarante.
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He's from Sri Lanka.
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Sri Lanka?
26:05
Yeah.
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You want to do this one?
26:07
Sure.
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So when Sujith could talk, he told his family that he used to live in Gorakhana, a village seven miles away, and that he died after getting hit by a truck.
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He said that his father was named Jamis Jamis and he had a bad right eye.
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And he'd attended a school that he named where there was a teacher there named Francis.
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And he gave money to a woman named Kusuma who prepared hoppers, which was a kind of food.
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He said that he was called Sammy.
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His wife's name was Maggie and their daughter was Nandani.
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On the day he died, he and Maggie had quarreled.
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He went out to the store and then a truck ran over him.
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They were able to find a family that matched this description.
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All of his statements were true.
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Sujith was able to recognize several people when they went back to meet his previous family.
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And he displayed a phobia of trucks well before they knew that this was a part of his story.
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He also tried to smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol because Sammy loved that.
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He played very aggressively and he used obscenities, which Sammy also did after he got older.
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He stopped talking about Sammy and displayed less of his behaviors.
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And this is interesting because a lot of parents report that around 6 or 7, the kids sort of like, let go of these prior personalities.
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I.
27:25
Wonder why that is.
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I guess they start to forget it.
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You know, they get into their new life and they just start to forget.
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But that is what happens.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's what they say.
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Right.
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Parmaj Sharma in India would pretend to be a shopkeeper of biscuits and soda water and the occupation of the previous personality that he described from ages 4 to 7.
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And it's interesting, like, that they almost.
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It's like they have to sort of solve it for themselves.
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They don't know.
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They don't understand why they're moved to.
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These things.
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But it's almost as if you wake up one day and you've, like, Freaky Fridayed yourself with someone and you're like, everybody.
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No, this.
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I am not this person.
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Someone else.
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Why can't you see this?
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Yeah.
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I can't even imagine what that must feel like,.
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Especially for, like, a little kid that doesn't really know.
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Right, right.
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You just have this urge to do something.
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Right.
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There's somebody named Sukla Gupta from India.
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At less than 2, she used to Cradle a block of wood and call it Minu.
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And she gradually talked about a previous life in a village 11 miles away.
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And she gave enough details so they could identify who she might be talking about.
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And they found another woman there who had a daughter named Minu.
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And the woman died six years before Sukla was born.
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And when they got the families together, Sukla was always very deferential towards her previous personality's husband and always wanted to go visit him until his new wife said, no, no more.
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This is weird.
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No.
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Sukla gradually lost her feelings towards the previous personalities, just like you were talking about.
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So.
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This one was pretty crazy.
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Kendra Carter in Florida.
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She, at four and a half, went to her first swim lesson with a coach named Ginger.
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She jumped in Ginger's lap and acted very loving towards her.
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Soon she began saying that Ginger's baby had died and Ginger had been sick and pushed the baby out.
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I'm the baby that was in her tummy.
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Later, Kendra's mother discovered that Ginger had previously had an abortion when she wasn't married and she was sick and dealing with anorexia.
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Kendra began saying that she would die because Ginger had been unable to deliver her.
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She was very happy near Ginger, but really quiet and withdrawn otherwise.
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So her feelings for Ginger were very intense.
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And she ended up taking her mom, ended up taking Kendra to a therapist for depression.
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But even though her mom didn't believe in reincarnation, she let her continue to have this relationship with Ginger because clearly there was some intense, unexplainable bond.
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Yeah, that's kind of strange, isn't it, that story?
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Well, there was another story too, where a little boy, he was supposed to be a twin, and he found his.
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He's like, I was supposed to be this person, but then I saw my new dad, my real dad, at a market and I followed him so that I could become his child.
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I.
30:33
Guess when you're sort of in between lives, it doesn't leave a lot.
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It doesn't give you a lot of information about what happens in between lives.
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I guess nobody knows.
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Nobody knows.
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All you can really do is speculate.
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And I actually think maybe because these people die in sudden and unexpected ways, like they say that ghosts in general, or spirits, whatever you want to call them, really only stick around if there's unfinished business, you know, so
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maybe there's something that they didn't accompl in this life are like, I don't know, maybe they're not at peace or unwilling to rest.
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So well.
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And that's one of the questions he asks, I think at the end of the book, it's like, how do you explain this?
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Does.
31:13
It happen to everyone?
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Is it everybody that.
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That gets reincarnated, but we just don't all remember?
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Or is it people with unfinished business only, you know?
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So there are no answers to this.
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There's just.
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These are the cases we've studied and, you know, know you decide if this applies to everyone.
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If it just applies to these kids.
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Yeah,.
31:33
We don't know.
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Yeah.
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And you.
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There's no way to anticipate.
31:36
Okay, well, is this a benevolent spirit?
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Is this an evil spirit?
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Like, it makes you wonder so many things about, like, I don't know, like, possessions and things like that and like it.
31:47
I guess it really depends, like, which community this happens to you in, because if you're in, like, a certain kind of religious community, they might try and, like, like, beat it out of you.
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That's right.
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And some other communities might be more accepting and understanding and, like, interested.
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Yes, that's right.
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That's right.
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Well, in fact, if you're talking about twins, this is kind of an interesting case, and it actually gets into time between lives.
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There was a boy named Bobby Hodges in North Carolina, and he often talked about wanting to live with his cousins.
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They had had one boy and three girls, and his aunt had miscarried a set of twins after her first son was born.
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And Bobby said the boy was his big brother and asked why his mother was keeping him from his real family.
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He later asked his mother if she remembered when he and his little brother Donald had been in her tummy at the same time but didn't get to be born.
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And she said, no, no, no, you.
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You were born.
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And later Donald was born.
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And he said, no, he and Donald had been in Aunt Susan's tummy together, but she didn't give birth to them.
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And then he yelled at Donald and he said, it's your fault.
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I told you I wanted to get born and you didn't want to.
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And Donald said, no, I wanted Daddy.
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And then Bobby says, I didn't want Daddy.
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I wanted Uncle Ron.
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So they wanted different parents, and they argued about it.
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And then.
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I like that, though, that, like, there's this idea that a soul chooses which family to belong to,.
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Or tries to in this case,.
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Unless they're foiled by their uncooperative twin.
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Their.
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Uncooperative twin.
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And then they argued about it.
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And Bobby said that later he tried to get back into Aunt Susan's tummy, but his cousin Rebecca was already there.
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And he couldn't get in.
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And he wanted.
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He said, I wanted to be there, but you wouldn't let me.
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So she got born and I didn't.
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And then he later told his mom how hard he had had to work to get into her tummy.
33:46
Which isn't that funny.
33:47
I mean, it's like, wow, that's a creepy, crazy story.
33:49
Yeah.
33:50
Huh.
33:52
Anyway, so I thought that was.
33:54
That was a great story.
33:55
That is really funny.
33:56
It's also just like.
33:58
So kid coded.
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Totally.
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Yeah.
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It's like, how else?
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Like, that's the thing when people are trying to find other explanations.
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It's like, this is so specific.
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Yeah.
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And so bizarre.
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Where would they come up with this idea?
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Like, yes, kids have wild imaginations, but often you can point to, like, the genesis of a weird idea that a kid has with something like this.
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It's really hard to explain.
34:21
Right, exactly.
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And.
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I worked really hard.
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And he.
34:26
This little boy talked a lot about what life was like between lives because he had had the flu one time, and he told his mother about a time when he was between lives.
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He was waiting to get born.
34:38
And he said, mom, people on the other, in the other world, don't get sick.
34:42
What other world?
34:43
His mother asked.
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Well, the world where I was waiting to be born.
34:46
So I guess he remembered, you know, at one point when he was.
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Remember when he was waiting to be born.
34:52
And he also remembered that he was in his mother's stomach at her wedding.
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Apparently he was.
34:58
And he could describe the wedding even though he had not been there.
35:02
And also he described his own birth, like, how he was facing up.
35:06
And they had to turn him.
35:07
Right.
35:08
And he described it.
35:09
So again, there's no explanation for some of these things.
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Yeah,.
35:14
Right.
35:14
I mean, you just.
35:15
It's.
35:15
It's got to be reincarnation.
35:17
There are also a lot of cases where children accurately describe their previous personality's funeral, which, like, I don't know.
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Man, if you go to a funeral, you better come correct, because they might come back around.
35:29
They.
35:30
Might be there,.
35:30
They might be there.
35:31
Right.
35:31
Well, that's good to know.
35:33
They're there.
35:34
They're watching their own funeral.
35:35
But that's interesting.
35:36
They imply that the consciousness is there, so it's not embodied, but it is there.
35:42
It can hear, it can see, it can feel, and it can experience.
35:46
Right, exactly.
35:47
And that's good to think about.
35:48
Like, if you're at someone's funeral and you're very sad, imagine maybe they're there.
35:52
Their spirit is there,.
35:54
Watching.
35:54
Honestly, I'm so Comforted by stuff like that.
35:57
Like, I remember when I was pregnant with Lenny, I had a couple dreams about a friend of mine who had passed away.
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But she wasn't announcing that she was coming back.
36:07
She was just there.
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Gabby.
36:10
Gabby.
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Yeah, she was there and she was with me.
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And she would tell me, she's like, I'm with you.
36:14
Cause, like, my pregnancy was hard.
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Yeah.
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And like, there were definitely moments where I was like, am I gonna make it through?
36:20
Yeah.
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And it was sort of like around those times that I would, like, see her in my dreams.
36:25
I would be so lucky if my daughter had a little piece of Gabby.
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Oh,.
36:29
I hope so.
36:30
She was such a wonderful.
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She.
36:32
Was.
36:32
She was a strong little soul, wasn't she?
36:34
Oh, God, that would be.
36:36
That would be great.
36:37
Okay.
36:38
Well, I hope so.
36:38
I hope she brought.
36:39
But honestly, Gabby was so sophisticated.
36:41
If one day Lenny comes to me and she's like, yeah, when are we going back to Paris?
36:46
Then you'll know,.
36:46
Like, girl, what you've never been to.
36:49
What about Milan?
36:50
Well, she's got.
36:51
She's not 2 yet, so maybe start announcing.
36:54
Can we go to Barney's?
36:55
I'd like to go to Barney's.
36:57
Isn't here anymore.
36:58
Sorry.
37:01
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37:39
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37:46
So let's get into the opposing points of view.
37:49
He starts talking about Carl Sagan,.
37:52
Who didn't author Billions and Billions, but Billions and Billions is probably his most well known work.
37:59
And it is a compilation of so many studies that he did.
38:02
He studied the sky and the stars.
38:05
Well, and he says Carl Sagan didn't really necessarily believe in reincarnation, but he knew about these cases and he said that these claims need to be taken seriously.
38:18
And he says that in the scientific world, people believe consciousness is only the result of a functioning brain.
38:24
And when the brain Dies, consciousness ends.
38:27
But there are many physicists who challenge this idea.
38:31
And that is the idea that consciousness can be considered separately from the brain is the crux of the question of reincarnation.
38:39
And the author talks about different beliefs and theories around this.
38:46
And he talked about Brian Josephson, a Nobel prize winning physicist, and said that current quantum theory combined with theories of information and computation may lead to developments that help us explain processes still not understood, like telepathy, that kind
39:05
of thing.
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And there are scientists who believe we should consider consciousness separate from the brain.
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And modern physics can be used to explain paranormal phenomenon.
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And that consciousness is an essential part of the universe, but an independent force.
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I like that idea.
39:23
I like that idea that it is.
39:24
I think it's important to understand that every living being is connected by something.
39:32
Right.
39:32
You know,.
39:34
And he, and he, and he says that, you know, you've got healers, they look at studies about people who.
39:40
Reiki,.
39:41
Reiki, who from far away will heal you.
39:44
Like, I have someone in, in Hawaii who I have used to heal me when I've had surgeries or things like that.
39:54
And she, and I tell, I don't know what she does, but she's really far away.
39:58
And suddenly I feel better.
40:00
I don't know what she's doing, but it's Reiki or healing or whatever, so.
40:05
And there are many people who do that.
40:06
Yeah, there are so many forms of the abilities to commune with other realms, whether it's as a medium, as a psychic, as a healer.
40:18
Like, and it's so interesting how like I imagine early man, right, as a species, probably really believed in this stuff and, and built a lot of practices around it.
40:30
And then I think as we have advanced as a species, like with science in so many ways, we've sort of created this idea that those two things are inherently like contradictory when really they're not.
40:44
Well, we just may not understand them yet.
40:46
It's as if like we're finding things to explain processes and behaviors that have been happening always.
40:53
But people like to name things, you know, which is why I said earlier, like, here we pathologize everything, every little behavior, you gotta give it a diagnosis.
41:03
And it's like, I just think, I don't know, is that really useful?
41:06
Well, and, and there's, there's a lot of things that scientists have never been able to explain, like near death, where, you know, many, many people report they, we know they've died, but then they talk about being over their
41:21
body, being able to see what was going on, hearing what was going On.
41:26
Did.
41:27
You come with me to that workshop at Canyon Ranch?
41:30
Did I?
41:30
Oh.
41:30
My God.
41:31
So there was a workshop at Canyon Ranch.
41:32
I've.
41:32
Been to so many things like this.
41:34
That where like they had like five people come who had had near death experiences.
41:39
They were like, do you want a massage or do you want to learn about this?
41:41
And I was like, that, that's what I want to do.
41:44
And I remember this one woman talked about falling off a horse, being medically dead for several minutes, watching as people worked on her body, and then coming to at the hospital.
41:56
Wow.
41:57
Wow.
41:57
And there's so many cases and there's books on this too.
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That.
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And, and again, it's like, okay, so your consciousness has survived you being technically brain dead for at least a little while.
42:08
Yeah.
42:08
And, and you know, so people try to, to explain it that, you know, oh, it's the.
42:13
Your brain is flash.
42:15
You know, there's lots of weird explanations, but they really don't have an explanation.
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It.
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Will also.
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Like, I remember there was a time in my life where lots of my friends were doing ayahuasca.
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And everyone's.
42:24
First of all, when people do ayahuasca, one guaranteed effect is that they will become incredibly annoying for like several months.
42:32
Yeah.
42:32
But they're just like, yeah, like I like met God and Mother Earth and like I saw all of my past, blah, blah, blah, this is what.
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And it's just like, no, know you had dmt, which is a chemical flood your brain.
42:47
Right.
42:47
And DMT is what happens often when you die.
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It's this thing that sort of stops your body from physically experiencing things and it kills all your fear.
42:55
It kills everything.
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But it's just a drug, you know, but it is something our brains naturally produce when we die.
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So that's another explanation for maybe what happens.
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You didn't meet God, you just did drugs.
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Right?
43:08
Right.
43:09
So, okay, so then they also talk about mediums, a lot of mediums who are able.
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The.
43:15
Long island medium.
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Like.
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The Long island medium Tyler Henry.
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I'm.
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Sensing, I'm sensing a Steve.
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I'm sensing a William.
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Does anyone know William?
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I love the Long Island.
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I.
43:26
Want to go see her live.
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I do too.
43:28
I've seen Tyler Henry live.
43:30
Really?
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Yeah.
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And I'll tell you, if you go see Tyler Henry live, it doesn't matter where you sit because he reads people from all over the theater.
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So don't pay extra for a close up se.
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Okay.
43:42
But anyway, he'll.
43:43
Find you.
43:43
He'll find you if.
43:44
Someone's sitting in for you,.
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Right?
43:45
If someone in your family is coming through, he'll find you if you're in the back balcony.
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Yeah.
43:50
But anyway, so.
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But yeah, no, I.
43:52
Feel like Grandma Sherry would come because she is persistent, she is serious, and she does not wait in line.
43:58
I'm always hoping she'll come and she hasn't come yet.
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But anyway.
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Probably on a cruise,.
44:03
I guess.
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Yeah.
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The.
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Spirit realm.
44:05
That's right.
44:06
That's right.
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So.
44:06
But there's all these things and so which.
44:09
That's what they talk about in the book, is that there's so many unexplained phenomenon.
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So let's go to the last chapter.
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And, you know, here he kind of reviews everything and he says there's a lot more to explore.
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You know, like we talked about.
44:24
Does everyone reincarnated or are the group reporting past life memories different in some ways?
44:32
I bet they are.
44:33
I bet they are.
44:34
There's something about them and their lineage that makes them a little more open and susceptible to things.
44:41
I believe that.
44:42
Like, I believe some people or are more inclined to have the ability to contact and communicate other realms.
44:50
But, like, what makes them different?
44:52
I don't know.
44:53
Is the question.
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You know, I would.
44:54
This is gonna sound crazy, but I swear I remember when I was a little girl, I have this vague memory of going into my living room every night and talking to a ghost.
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A relative.
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I have.
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No.
45:06
I don't know if I dreamed it or if it's.
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But so, I mean, I think when kids are young, like you said, and also maybe I have a little bit of psychic ability.
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Maybe.
45:16
I remember before you told me Grandpa Sunny died, you were still in Denver with him and Grandma.
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I saw him in our house.
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And I remember telling you about it.
45:27
I.
45:27
Believe it.
45:27
And you made us brownies, like, every day for a week because you didn't want to explain what death was.
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But then I told you, I was like.
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Like, what do you mean?
45:35
He's here.
45:36
Oh, really?
45:37
Was that after.
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He.
45:38
Died or before he died?
45:39
It was right after he died, when you got back.
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But I saw him before you came back from that trip.
45:45
So he came to say goodbye?
45:46
Well, no, because he kept coming.
45:48
There was no goodbye.
45:49
I would see him often at our apartment in Union Square.
45:53
Okay.
45:53
He was there a lot.
45:55
Wow.
45:55
Well, he wasn't really, but maybe his spirit was.
45:58
His.
45:58
Spirit was?
45:59
Yeah.
45:59
Bev saw him, too.
46:00
Bev saw him, too.
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Once he asked me where the rocky road was, and I'll never forget that.
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Really?
46:06
That was his favorite ice cream.
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Really?
46:08
Yeah.
46:09
He just.
46:09
I Remember he asked me, I felt he was walking into the kitchen.
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He's like, where's the rocky road?
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That's his favorite ice cream.
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Really?
46:14
You didn't know that?
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Spooky.
46:17
Spooky.
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Okay,.
46:18
My third eye also open.
46:20
Maybe we are of a lineage.
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Maybe.
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I don't know.
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But that's why I want you to read this because in case Lenny starts.
46:26
Well,.
46:26
I did read it.
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Yeah, but like, yeah, I'm taking notes.
46:29
Yeah.
46:29
Because listen, be open to it.
46:31
My husband is so closed off to these ideas.
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If one day I tell you, tell him.
46:35
Yeah.
46:36
Lenny has been reincarnated as like X, Y or Z.
46:39
She's.
46:40
Your.
46:40
Grandfather.
46:40
Yeah, she's.
46:41
My grandfather.
46:42
He's back.
46:44
Or who knows?
46:45
Anyway, so.
46:46
No, wait, one more thing.
46:47
So when my mother in law, right before Lenny was born, she saw a medium and her parents showed up.
46:55
Okay.
46:55
And.
46:56
Or no, this was right after Lenny was born and she asked them, you know, or it came up when she was speaking through the medium to them about Lenny and her dad told her that he and her mom
47:07
got to hold her before we did.
47:09
Oh, that's so sweet.
47:11
I love that her.
47:12
Little soul was up there with everybody.
47:14
Oh, that's so good.
47:16
I hope my parents did.
47:17
I'm sure they did.
47:18
Yeah, I'm.
47:19
Sure they.
47:19
Did.
47:19
Our grandparents, like you're like Ben's grandparents and, and my parents, I think that they, they know each other up.
47:26
They.
47:26
Orchestrated something.
47:27
I do, I do think they all know each other.
47:29
Yeah, I think you're right.
47:30
They're.
47:30
Probably friends.
47:31
Anyway, the advice for parents, I want to make sure we cover that, which is what should a parent do?
47:36
If you have a child who seems to remember a past life?
47:40
Be open to what your child is reporting.
47:42
Be respectful and listen to what your child says.
47:45
Avoid asking very pointed questions because they may make up answers.
47:49
Instead, ask general open ended questions like do you remember anything else?
47:54
Yeah, nothing leading.
47:55
Just let's see what they say and write down what they say.
47:58
Especially if they give you information that might help you identify what deceased.
48:03
What a deceased person, you know, might be.
48:07
Possible.
48:08
You might be able to find the prior person possibly.
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Or their family or.
48:11
Their.
48:12
Person is presumably gone.
48:14
Right.
48:15
Unless souls can split in two.
48:17
I don't know, but.
48:19
I wonder if like, okay, so people talk about soulmates, right?
48:22
I wonder if this idea of a soulmate is a person you knew in a previous life that you want to find again.
48:28
Could be.
48:28
That could be.
48:29
Or.
48:30
Like, so you split.
48:32
And.
48:32
Then you have to find the other half.
48:34
Yeah.
48:35
That could be, too.
48:35
I mean, when you meet people that you feel like you've known your whole life, it's either maybe someone you knew in a previous life.
48:41
That's more.
48:42
Like old souls.
48:43
There are people who just seem so wise beyond their years.
48:46
That,.
48:46
Like, there's just no way they've only lived one life.
48:50
I don't know.
48:51
Wow.
48:52
Okay.
48:52
Well, if this happens, happens, also remind your child that their current life is what matters most.
48:58
Acknowledge and value what they're telling you while making it clear that the past life is truly in the past.
49:04
And if your child talks about how they died in the past, just remind them they're safe now, and that's not going to happen to them now.
49:11
And many parents are comforted just knowing that their child will stop talking about the previous life by the age of five to seven.
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I'm.
49:18
Tired of hearing about Giacomo.
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Right?
49:20
I don't want to know.
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Okay.
49:23
Okay.
49:24
Okay.
49:25
So do you want to talk a little more about any other parts of this or.
49:31
So one quick thing is people, there's a big question, like, what is it that reincarnates?
49:37
Right?
49:37
So the cases show that memories, emotions and physical trauma can carry on to a future life.
49:42
So is it the soul or the astral body or the consciousness, which Siobhan used to call the earth suit?
49:48
Oh,.
49:49
Yeah, yeah.
49:50
I loved that phrase.
49:51
She's like, yeah, this is just your earth suit,.
49:53
But.
49:53
Your soul is not this.
49:55
I'm like, well, I'm trying to take care of my earth suit, so should I retire from the club?
50:00
And then I remember her being like, this was probably 10 years ago, and I wanted to retire 10 million times.
50:05
And what did she.
50:05
Say?
50:05
But she said to me, no, there's someone you have to meet.
50:08
Ooh.
50:08
And that was my husband.
50:10
Ooh.
50:10
She predicted.
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And.
50:12
She.
50:12
Predicted things for me, too, like that that were crazy.
50:15
Did she predict me for you?
50:17
No.
50:17
She predicted the first book I wrot for years before I wrote it.
50:22
And that.
50:23
She knows what's up.
50:24
She really did.
50:25
Maybe.
50:25
She's here with us now.
50:27
Give us a sign.
50:27
I hope so, because I loved her.
50:29
She was so great.
50:30
And what was sad was when she did get sick, she didn't go for western medicine treatment.
50:38
And I remember thinking, why not?
50:39
And I think it was because she was so comfortable with the idea of the other side.
50:44
Well, she told me a couple things.
50:45
I remember when she told me that she was dying, she was like, you know, I have this cancer.
50:50
It is going to kill me because I refuse to do chemo or radiation because of the damage it does to your spirit.
50:56
And I remember being like, yeah, that makes total sense.
50:58
And she's like, you know what?
50:59
You're one of the first people I've told that didn't immediately say, but you should.
51:04
You should try.
51:04
It's life.
51:05
You get one life.
51:06
She's like, I'm so surprised that you just accepted this.
51:10
And I was like, well, yeah, I mean, it's.
51:11
It's your choice.
51:13
Like, it's your life, you know, it's your soul.
51:16
Like, what am I gonna tell you what to do with your own soul?
51:18
Right, Right.
51:19
Interesting.
51:19
I.
51:20
Yeah, that was.
51:20
I miss her, but I think she just wasn't afraid.
51:23
She just.
51:23
Yeah, yeah.
51:24
She's.
51:24
A Colby bat girl.
51:25
She knew.
51:26
She.
51:26
She was in such contact with the other side.
51:28
Yeah.
51:29
Yeah.
51:29
She's like, I've gotta.
51:30
I've got a tunnel.
51:31
She's.
51:31
I can come back.
51:32
Yeah.
51:33
Well.
51:33
So what did you think?
51:34
Do you recommend.
51:34
I liked.
51:35
It.
51:35
I wish you.
51:36
I hope you guys can find the other book, the.
51:37
Carol Bowman book.
51:38
The.
51:38
Carol Bowman book, and listen to that podcast if you're more interested in this.
51:42
This kind of stuff, because some people are and some people aren't.
51:45
I respect your beliefs, whatever they are, but it's real whether you choose to believe it or not.
51:53
Yeah, well, spirits.
51:55
Are spiriting all around.
51:57
That's right.
51:57
That's right.
51:58
It's a real thing.
51:58
I.
51:59
We think it's a real thing.
52:00
I don't know.
52:01
If you choose to live without peace, that is your choice.
52:03
Yeah.
52:04
It certainly gives you more peace about the people you've loved who have passed on.
52:08
And that someday we will all pass on.
52:11
Yeah.
52:12
And.
52:12
And maybe we'll be back.
52:14
We might be back.
52:15
I hope we're back.
52:16
I think we come back in groups anyway.
52:18
You.
52:18
Know,.
52:18
Honestly, I think my dog Dolly has the spirit of an evil dictator, and she has been reincarnated into the form of an English setter.
52:27
Oh.
52:27
Well, she's.
52:28
Or.
52:28
Like some sort of.
52:30
Test.
52:30
You.
52:30
She's here to test.
52:31
Yeah,.
52:31
She's here to test your patience.
52:33
She does.
52:34
Yes.
52:34
Well, every day.
52:35
See, I.
52:35
I don't necessarily believe humans come back as dogs or.
52:39
I don't know why not.
52:41
They.
52:41
Were.
52:41
They did a whole section about how the math doesn't add up.
52:43
Well, there's maximum 10 billion people on Earth at any given time, best case.
52:48
And there's only been 105 billion people ever to exist.
52:51
I think that math adds up just fine.
52:53
Not everybody needs to be here again.
52:55
And again at the same time.
52:57
Like, we will come back and forth when there is a purpose.
53:01
I guess so.
53:01
Who knows?
53:02
It's a fascinating subject and, you know, so just be open if your child starts talking about a past life or wants to be taken to another family.
53:11
Yeah.
53:11
Don't be weird about it.
53:12
It's okay.
53:13
Okay.
53:13
It's it.
53:14
You know, just read Carol's book.
53:16
Read this book, Ian Stevenson Books.
53:19
There's a lot of books out there now.
53:21
And if you think you have a case, the University of Virginia would like to study you and your family.
53:26
Yeah.
53:27
So hit them up.
53:28
Yep.
53:28
And let us know.
53:29
Okay.
53:30
And thank you guys so much for joining us.
53:32
Happy belated Halloween.
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And we will see you next week.