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325: Welcome to Plathville Recap - Practice What You Preach (S8 E1) · Reality TV Cringe

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to reality TV.
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  Speaker 2: We're back.
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  Speaker 1: We had a wonderful spring prey where I did nothing
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 1: Like Iowa State Iowa Ill maybe gay, but I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Not that gay.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I have such a good time during
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  Speaker 1: March Madness.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 1: We're here to recap. Welcome to Plaithfill, honey, because season
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  Speaker 1: eight has returned and we couldn't be more excited. I'm
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  Speaker 1: I watched the Substance apparently I was blackout drunk over Thanksgiving,
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  Speaker 1: it is wild.
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  Speaker 2: It is wild.
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  Speaker 1: It was fun though.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: before we get into the season premiere of Welcome to Platfill,
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  Speaker 1: I have to ask you, Beatrice, whether you have any
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  Speaker 1: salient points and or takeaways that you would like to
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  Speaker 1: offer to the Dumpster. Well, first of all, I'm so
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  Speaker 1: excited for this season too. This shit looks so l yes,
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  Speaker 1: it does.
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  Speaker 2: And my major takeaway, honestly, I know this is going
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  Speaker 2: to be controversial. Zach gives me weird fucking vibes, dude,
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  Speaker 2: And it's not because people think he's gay or whatever.
• 2:43
  Speaker 2: I am literally a homosexual myself. I don't care, obviously,
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  Speaker 2: rumor about you, in case you didn't know. I love
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  Speaker 2: the gays obviously because I'm one of them. I don't
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  Speaker 2: even think it's that he just rubs me the wrong way.
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  Speaker 2: I just don't get good vibes from him. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: get vibes from him last season. There's just something about
• 3:02
  Speaker 2: him I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Like, can you be specific.
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  Speaker 2: It's just his vibe, Like the way he looks at Lydia,
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  Speaker 2: the way he talks to her, Like he doesn't act
• 3:10
  Speaker 2: like he's like married to such a beautiful girl. He's
• 3:14
  Speaker 2: not really super affectionate. And I can't be too critical
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  Speaker 2: of that because maybe that's just who he is. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. It just feels very odd, like Lydia is
• 3:24
  Speaker 2: very sprung. Oh yeah, she wants to bounce on him, apparently,
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  Speaker 2: girl she wants to have his babies, and he just
• 3:33
  Speaker 2: seems like ew, like, no, you're grossing me out. You're
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  Speaker 2: too naughty, it's too much. That's my vibe, and I
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  Speaker 2: just don't really like it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, Yeah, we'll talk about those parts when
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  Speaker 1: we get there. I've got two takeaways, one for the
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  Speaker 1: general pop, the Gen Pop, and the second one for
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  Speaker 1: our uncensored girlies and boys. So let me start with
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  Speaker 1: my first takeaway for the Gen Pop. I think Michael
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  Speaker 1: looks so handsome, Oh handsome. I thought the long hair
• 4:02
  Speaker 1: and the facial hair looked really great on him. He
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  Speaker 1: still seems his affect generally is still kind of traumatized. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: after spending so much time with that veronical woman in Florida,
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  Speaker 1: like getting his bearings back together. But I just thought
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  Speaker 1: that he looked great and it was nice to see him.
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  Speaker 1: And furthermore, it's really nice to see Mariah. Yeah, she
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  Speaker 1: looked beautiful, she looked happy. Yeah, she was smiling. She
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  Speaker 1: wasn't mainlining red wine, yes, so I was excited to
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  Speaker 1: see her as well.
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  Speaker 2: I agree, And now for.
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  Speaker 1: Our uncensored takeaway, Let's get the uncensored part and now
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  Speaker 1: back to our regular scheduled programming. I'm sorry, patrons, if
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  Speaker 1: that was a bit inflammatory, but I don't give the fuck.
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  Speaker 1: So without further too, let's get into our recap of
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to blathvill Season eight, Episode one.
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  Speaker 2: Entu old practice what you preach. Okay, we start off
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  Speaker 2: with some check ins with some of the family members.
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  Speaker 2: So we start off with Kim and she has apparently
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  Speaker 2: moved back into the original Plath family farmhouse.
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  Speaker 1: Does that mean she got it in the divorce?
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  Speaker 3: It seems it's like implied that she got it back.
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  Speaker 3: She didn't quite say that though, did she But they
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  Speaker 3: were using it as a rental property, and I thought
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  Speaker 3: that she had left that because she had too many
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  Speaker 3: memories there and she didn't want to be associated with it.
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  Speaker 3: My personal theory is that she is broke as fuck,
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  Speaker 3: and maybe she negotiated something with Barry in the divorce
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  Speaker 3: settlement or something, and maybe like in lieu of alimony,
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  Speaker 3: for example, or in lieu of how much alimony she
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  Speaker 3: was maybe requesting. He was like, look, I'll let you
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  Speaker 3: live in the farmhouse that we owned together, but you
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  Speaker 3: know you can live there for free because you're a
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  Speaker 3: broke gas pitch.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Because she did not say outright that she won
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  Speaker 1: the home in the settlement, and I think she would
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  Speaker 1: have said that if she had well.
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  Speaker 2: And apparently Barry still comes by.
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  Speaker 1: Right to the farmhouse, which is like proverbial pissing all
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  Speaker 1: over his property because maybe he still owns it or
• 6:05
  Speaker 1: owns a share of it.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I kind of love that me too. That's looking off.
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  Speaker 1: So she looks out the kitchen window and there's Barry
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  Speaker 1: on a boat and he's all jacking of the world.
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  Speaker 2: I just I think that's great. Yeah, that's exactly what
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  Speaker 2: you deserve. And it's just so weird to me that
• 6:22
  Speaker 2: Kim is now back in the farmhouse after she was
• 6:24
  Speaker 2: so insistent on getting her independence. She had her little
• 6:27
  Speaker 2: ballet studio that apparently doesn't exist.
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  Speaker 1: What happened to that?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, or like her weird apartment above the ballet studio,
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  Speaker 2: Like where is that? We're not going to talk about it, okay,
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  Speaker 2: But she's back in the family farmhouse with the three
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  Speaker 2: little girls that are not so little.
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  Speaker 1: Anymore, Amber, Cassia and Mercy.
• 6:47
  Speaker 2: Yep, And they share custody burying Kim. Of the girls
• 6:51
  Speaker 2: fifty to fifty, and they's somewhat, well, not somewhat, they're
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  Speaker 2: pretty cordial with each other. Mainly for the sake of
• 6:57
  Speaker 2: the kids and stuff, which is great. But the other
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  Speaker 2: her juicy tidbit is that Kim's boyfriend Ken is now
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  Speaker 2: living with her.
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  Speaker 1: The one eyed racist from Facebook. I'm sorry, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: call it out every single time. He's not He's got
• 7:11
  Speaker 1: two eyes, but one of them don't seem to work
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. And I don't know if he can actually
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  Speaker 1: see Kim right in front of him word to miss.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, so he's moved into Barry's former home.
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  Speaker 2: I just think, like the audacity, Yes, that's really crazy
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  Speaker 2: to me, Like, you go and have an affair allegedly
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  Speaker 2: with this man I believe, but I believe it too,
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  Speaker 2: Like you go and have an affair, you break up
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  Speaker 2: your entire family, you get a dui, you become a
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  Speaker 2: big old drunk emphasis on stop it, stop it, And
• 7:41
  Speaker 2: then you move back into the Platt family home, Like
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  Speaker 2: that's crazy to me.
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  Speaker 1: And you bring your paramore, bring him the guy you
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  Speaker 1: cheated with, and it's like he's not really a prize.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just like, that's what you left Barry for.
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  Speaker 1: Why doesn't he have a home anymore? Is he trying
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  Speaker 1: to be a star like zach I.
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  Speaker 2: Thought he had a home in Florida that he sold it.
• 8:01
  Speaker 1: Remember that he sold it for like six or seven
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  Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars. And we were wondering at the time
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  Speaker 1: last season, like, Okay, where did you go? Do you
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  Speaker 1: have a job? Are you gainfully employed? But it looks
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  Speaker 1: like he just wants to attach himself to the Plath family.
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  Speaker 1: And now he's living at the farm with everybody else,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, yeats and dogs and Ken.
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  Speaker 2: It seems like he got it made. He's like, cool,
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  Speaker 2: I'll be a barnacle on your ship, Kim, and we'll
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  Speaker 2: just live here rent free and get drunk. I guess
• 8:31
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, wow, okay with your jukebox, Oh my god.
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  Speaker 1: And you're weird old man memorabilia. So he got a
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  Speaker 1: shit into the farmhouse where he's living with young teenage girls.
• 8:42
  Speaker 1: That's weird. He's making those girls listen to eighties rock
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  Speaker 1: on his jukebox. I'm just cringing.
• 8:48
  Speaker 2: So so bad. I just don't like it at all.
• 8:52
  Speaker 2: And I really hope we get to hear from some
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  Speaker 2: of the younger girls about what they think about that
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  Speaker 2: situation and how they feel about Ken, And it would
• 9:00
  Speaker 2: be nice to get their perspective, because if I was
• 9:02
  Speaker 2: living in that house, I probably would hate my wife,
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  Speaker 2: just saying. And then we go to check in with
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  Speaker 2: Zach and Lydia at their apartment in Tallahassee. They are
• 9:12
  Speaker 2: newly married. It's been about eight months since the wedding,
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  Speaker 2: and obviously the wedding last season was full of drama
• 9:21
  Speaker 2: and tension, and Lydia and Zach are still reeling from that.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously they're still I don't want to say traumatized, but
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  Speaker 2: they are pretty dramatized. Well.
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  Speaker 1: But the thing is, I don't think they were aware
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: when it was happening, right, I mean, maybe they were
• 9:37
  Speaker 1: aware that there was a fight between Micah and Isaac,
• 9:40
  Speaker 1: although I actually think that they had left for their
• 9:42
  Speaker 1: honeymoon by then. Sorry guys, I'm losing my voice if
• 9:44
  Speaker 1: I sound weird, But I don't think they knew how
• 9:47
  Speaker 1: Ethan was acting, for example, yeah, or doing his rage
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  Speaker 1: push ups and throwing tables or Kim or all of
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  Speaker 1: the things that were actually said. And so it's as
• 9:56
  Speaker 1: they're watching it back and they're looking at last season
• 9:59
  Speaker 1: that they realize, oh shit, these people were talking Hella
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: crazy about us. Yeah, and they got in their feelings
• 10:07
  Speaker 1: and I would too, of course.
• 10:08
  Speaker 2: I mean it was really terrible, and we talked about
• 10:10
  Speaker 2: that extensively last season, like it was not fair, especially
• 10:13
  Speaker 2: to Lydia, who was so excited to get married to
• 10:17
  Speaker 2: Zach for some reason, and she was just really looking
• 10:19
  Speaker 2: forward to like moving on with her life and it
• 10:23
  Speaker 2: was obviously not the best time. And so they're planning
• 10:27
  Speaker 2: to talk to the family later in the episode about it.
• 10:30
  Speaker 2: But when we're at their apartment, we're checking in with
• 10:33
  Speaker 2: them about their relationship, they are like happily happy. They're
• 10:38
  Speaker 2: in their honeymoon phase. Apparently. They said it's super easy
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: to like live with each other. They have no issues.
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  Speaker 2: But then we start talking about like starting a family,
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  Speaker 2: and Lydia in particular is so ready to be a mother,
• 10:53
  Speaker 2: like she wants to be a mother yesterday, and Zach's like, no,
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  Speaker 2: let's wait a year, which I mean is fine, that's
• 10:59
  Speaker 2: re but Lydia is like, okay, we have four months
• 11:03
  Speaker 2: to go now, and I'm just kind of getting the
• 11:05
  Speaker 2: vibe a little bit that I'm like, are y'all waiting
• 11:08
  Speaker 2: to fuck for a year? Like, are you guys not intimate?
• 11:12
  Speaker 2: Because then we have a conversation about like their intimacy
• 11:18
  Speaker 2: kind of and Zach alludes to the fact that Lydia
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: is a bit naughty after ten PM, and I just
• 11:26
  Speaker 2: got the vibe that he has the dick. But that's
• 11:29
  Speaker 2: just me.
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: He says something like I opened up her curiosity to
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: romantic experiences, alluding to the fact that he's opened. He's
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: cracked open.
• 11:43
  Speaker 2: That's he's cracked open.
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: Us got up all idiot. And Lydia loves the dick,
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: I guess, and she's insatia pole she wants it all
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: the time. And the producer is like, Lydia, I think
• 11:56
  Speaker 1: Zach's calling you naughty, and she's like, yes, so clear
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: they're fucking She seems to love it, but I would
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: couldn'cur when you look at his face and also his
• 12:06
  Speaker 1: body language. Yeah, like when they're sitting next to each other,
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: like he's always kind of pulling away a little bit.
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: Either Lydia is being too much or too needy, or
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: he's just not that into.
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: Her, And that's kind of the vibe that I'm getting,
• 12:19
  Speaker 2: And like, I can't tell what it is, like if
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: he's just not into her or if she's just being
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: a lot. She does kind of seem like all over him,
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: and they do talk about how Zach is no longer
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: wearing glasses. He's wearing contacts because Lydia is just making
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: out with him all the time and it smudges his
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: glasses or something. And he just doesn't seem like excited.
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: Sup thrilled about it you think he would be.
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: And I'm just like looking at them and I'm like, Lydia.
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: Is so beautiful, I can't take it. She is so beautiful,
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: so quintessentially beautiful, the jewels of her eyes. She doesn't
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: wear a ton of makeup. She dresses really cute. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: her body is bang in.
• 13:00
  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the thing. If you guys had waited to get married,
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: you could have learned more about each other. Maybe Lydia
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: could have chilled out a little bit. Maybe she could
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: have seen you, Zach, for where you were at truly,
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: but like you didn't. You rushed into the wedding and
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: now here we are eight months later and she seems happy.
• 13:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I do question Zach and how he's feeling.
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: And that's what has me worried a bit, Like I
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: want Lydia to be happy, and if she is in
• 13:27
  Speaker 2: love with Zach, then that's awesome, and I fully support
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: it and everything, but it just seems weird. Their vibe
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: seems weird. They don't give off the energy that their
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: newlyweds really like when I was newly married. I mean, she.
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: It was fine for those of you knew to the pod.
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: This is my daughter in law, she's married to my daughter.
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: But it's just like, it just doesn't give me that vibe.
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: And I just worry a bit. And I'm not gonna
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: make any insinuations about his section ruality or anything like
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: that because well but I mean everyone's.
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: Talking about it online too, I guess, so I do
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: think that's inappropriate. I just think he's a little nerdy,
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: he's a little quirky. Let's hope he's different. It looks
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: like he was raised like coddled, maybe a little bit,
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: probably homeschooled, doesn't have a lot of worldly experience. I
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: guess maybe he can gain that experience. My primary question,
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: besides whether he really likes her, is does he work?
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, what is he doing?
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: Because the last I heard he was some sort of
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: an ambiguous tennis instructor. Wanna be right, and so he
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: moved to kro or Tallahassee for all of the opportunities
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: for tennis instructors or whatever. Yeah, so I don't really
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: know if he's gainfully employed. Is he just moving to
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: Georgia because he wants to be on the show. And
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: that is the question you have to ask yourself, Lydia, Yeah,
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: is this a clout chasing motherfucker? Or does this man
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: love you? Exactly?
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: And she's so naive that she's just gonna go along
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: with it, and she is so like indoctrinated in this structure,
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: in this religion as well to be like I'm gonna
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: respect my husband no matter what, and I'm gonna follow him,
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: and I'm gonna submit, and I'm gonna be this like
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: traditional wife. And I just worry about her.
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: She's like, I love to clean from my Husbandian and
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: that's great. And I love to cook through my houseman,
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: Like what does he do? But you're twenty one years old.
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: Please talk to me when you're thirty five, much less
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: forty five for real, and you've been with this weird
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: gentleman for all of these years and if you still
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: love to cook for him, but like, y'ah, bless, I
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: hope they're happy me too.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: And I guess We'll see how the season goes with Yes,
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: maybe I will warm up to him, but right now the.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: Vibe is off okay for me, so noted.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: Then we go back to the Plath family farm and
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: we check in with Ethan as well as the rest
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: of the Plath kids, but we start with Ethan.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: That should have been my takeaway what there is no
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: character arc for Ethan Plaith. It's not like he starts
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: somewhere and then works on himself and becomes a better man,
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: much less person. He's the same disgruntled, bitter, rage filled, undereducated,
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: emotionally stunted asshole that he's always been. Actually, in season
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: one when he was learning how to order a pepsi
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: or a coke at the restaurant and he was smiling
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: all the time because he was getting the cookie from Olivia.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: He seems like a happy person then, and maybe even
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: season two. But the Ethan that we're seeing in season
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: eight is so unlikable. I can barely stand him on
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: my television.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: He's just so negative, like he just got he's just
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: got like a dark cloud over him all the fucking time,
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: and he's got this grimace on him, and like even
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: in the earlier seasons, he was portraying himself a lot nicer,
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: like he was doing things for Olivia, and I know
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: that's up for debate with some of the Olivia stands
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: and stuff. He was trying to nurture their relationship. But
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: now it's like we're talking about him and Teagan, who
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: he was dating last season. They apparently broke up, and
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: the way that he recounts it, I will give him credit.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: He takes ownership a little bit for the fact that
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: it was kind of his fault because they couldn't make
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: the long distance work and he kept telling her, Oh,
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna move to Wisconsin. I'm gonna move to Wisconsin,
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: but he never did that. And you can only tell
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: somebody that you're going to do something over and over
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: again until they realize it's never gonna really happen.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Doesn't that mean, though, that he was lying to her?
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: And doesn't it feel like Ethan was purposefully lying to
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: her and stringing her along and doing what the fuck
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: he wanted to do even though this young mom, she's
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: got a child that's remember she's a divorcee. Yeah, and
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: she's in Wisconsin waiting for him to move there, and
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: he never truly intended to do so.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: I think he was just placating her because he was
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: in love with her. But that's not that doesn't mean
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: that's a good thing.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: That you're in love with her, right, you would move
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: there exactly, You would want to be there, you would
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: want to be coming step parent, you would want to
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: do all the things that come part and parcel with
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: a commitment. But he never did those things. And so
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: the question for me, Beatrice is like, is it because
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: he's still a little bit in love with Olivia? And
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: then we get to Olivia and the games that she
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: is playing.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so apparently the other issue that broke up Teagan
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: and Ethan was the fact that he is still legally
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: married to Olivia, because, according to Ethan, Olivia won't sign
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: divorce papers or won't file it because she's always traveling
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: out of the country and she's apparently telling Ethan that
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: she will get around it when she comes back to
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: the States, But then she comes back and nothing ever happens,
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: and then his lawyer has to refile everything, and it's
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: just this constant back and forth, and if we are
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: to believe Ethan, that's kind of juicy.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: I love it too.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: I'm no stan of Olivia, but after last season when
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: he made her wait for two hours to have their
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: final conversation and then just bounced as soon as it
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: wasn't going his way for her to turn around and say, Okay, well,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to sign any of these papers. I
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: don't need to. Why don't you make me? And he
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: could because you can force a divorce if somebody's not participating,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: they can't make you or require you to stay married.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: So Ethan, just have your attorney do the things that
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: he or she needs to do in order to affect
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: this divorce. But that costs money, yeah, and that takes
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: time and energy, and you don't want to do it,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: and she's gonna make you do it, and I just
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: kind of love it. I'm sorry, I love it.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: I just it's like so annoying to me though, because
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: it's so petty on both sides, because you also have
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Olivia saying shit, like you know, Ethan was abusive to her,
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: and I completely believe it. Like I'm not like debating that,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: but I'm like, if you hate him so much, then
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: why aren't you trying to get divorced from it?
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: That's true too. It is very petty. And I also
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: think that it's not just about getting back at Ethan.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: I think there's a part of her that wants to
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: be a topic of discussion in season eight, because I
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: think Olivia is a nark and she loves the limelight
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: and she wants to be talked about. And I think
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: the week that this premiere, within the last week or whatever,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: she was actually back in Caro. Yeah, she was taking
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: photographs for a friend of HER's wedding, and I think
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: this is a content creator. I forget who it is,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: but like she was back in Caro, it felt oddly
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: timed to me, like she wants people to continue to
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: talk about her. I don't think she knows what to
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: do with herself outside of the show, right, other than
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: pretend she's this world traveling photographer, which I don't personally believe.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: I feel like she's debt financing a lot of that
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: travel because I'm just like, there's no way that you're
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: able to afford all she's going all over around the world,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Like it's pretty crazy how much she travels. And I'm
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: just like, why can't you guys just get divorced? Though,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: because both of them are saying that the other is
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: holding them back, because last season we had Olivia saying
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: the same shit that Ethan is saying this season, saying
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: that he's not signing the papers, he's being resistant, he's
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: taking his sweet time and making things expire and it's
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: all his fault. And so I'm just like, y'all, quit
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: this toxic he said, she said bullshit, and just be
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: done with each other. But I do think that maybe
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: it's both of them, Maybe both of them don't want
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: to let go fully for whatever reasons they have. I mean,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Ethan says in this episode that he thinks that Olivia
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: doesn't want to have him move on with somebody else.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: And I can see why, and I think so too,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: And if I'm teaking, I also want to say, like
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: I would have only so much bandwidth for that. It's like, Okay,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: I don't want to hang out with you though, if
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: like we're not actually getting the divorce or we're not
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: actually moving forward toward a goal, and you've got this
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: beautiful ex wife who is really loud on social media
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: and sometimes bearing on the show, Like I don't want
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: to be a part of that. It's very aggravating.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, to my soul, and she has a kid that's
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: involved in all.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: She has a whole life in Wisconsin exactly.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: So, and it seems like Ethan is upset by the
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: breakup with Tiegan and he feels like there's a lot
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: of unfinished business and he, I think, wants to get
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: her back. But he's so dumb. I mean, he's just
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: like moving back to Caro.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Where is he living? Is he living in that? Is
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: he living with his mom? Is he living in his.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Car I don't know. It seems like he's living in Caro,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: but he's bopping back and forth between the farm and
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Barry's house wherever that's at. But I'm just like, dude,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Gayer shit together.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Indeed, like you're how old?
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know what you're doing.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, we've got Isaac out here flying planes. Girl,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: we have Micah Plath who had like a whole head
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: of cattle or whatever, and so did Ethan when he
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: was married to Olivia. He sold that head of cattle
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: so that he could buy their first home. But like,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: you've got these boys and girls who are industrious and
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: trying to make a life for themselves. Like, Ethan, what
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: are you doing besides stringing women along and lying and
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: drinking and drinking enraging.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it's just frustrating. So Ethan another big disappointment.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: And then we have the rest of like the Plath
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: kids coming to the farm because they are going to
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: I guess hang out with the family, but also they're
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: there to talk with Lydia and Zach who are going
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: to head to the farm later. But we see Micah,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: we see Isaac, and we also see Mariah and check
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: with check in with them. Micah, like you had said
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: at the top of the episode, is so handsome. Oh yes,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: And I'm really happy about that because Veronica really sucked
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: the life out of him last season.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: God, she was such a demons, so toxic.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: And apparently Micah is still down in Florida. He's got
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: his own place, he's getting his life back together after
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: he left that vampire demon woman, and he apparently has
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: a new girlfriend, but we're not going to hear about her,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: which I'm glad about. He's keeping her name out of
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: the public eye for now because he's just wanting to
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: choose a peaceful, drama free life and I love that
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: for him. We check in with Isaac, who is still
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: dating Pooky Bear Kaylin and they're still doing fine for now.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: And then Mariah, who looks absolutely beautiful. She is wearing
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: a wig because she has alopecia and has had a
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: recurrence of it, so all of her hair has fallen out,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: her eyebrows and eyelashes and everything has fallen out. And
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: she had talked about this on social media last year
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: about how it was pretty traumatic for her to lose
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: all of her hair and everything. But seeing her in
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: this episode, she seems to have come to terms with that.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: She's gotten a collection of wigs now and she looks
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: like she's really happy and thriving.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: I would say she looks at peace.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: And so whatever she's doing out in Montana, whether she's
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: pursuing her music or whether she's meeting some cowboys, which
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: is first on the agenda two years old, moving to Montana,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: whatever she's doing, it does look good on her.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Yes, And I love that for her. And it doesn't
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: seem like she's going to move away from Montana anytime soon,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: and I think that's honestly great, get some distance from
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: these toxic guess plats. Then we go and check back
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: in with Lydia and Zach, who were on the way
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: to Kroe to go to the family farmhouse and have
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: this I don't want to say, like big confrontation, but
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: to have a bit of a confrontation with the rest
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: of the family, because there's a lot of hurts, especially
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: with Lydia and Kim and some of the other siblings,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: for how they behaved and what they had talked about
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: behind their backs.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: So let me ask you, because we had a few
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: segments where Kim was speaking to the camera directly about
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: how she was feeling about this upcoming meeting and knowing
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: that Lydia and Zach were expecting some kind of an
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: apology and to me as a mama, especially if I
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: really had maybe even disparaged this young man and I
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: knew it, and plus it was on camera, and I
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: knew maybe I should have done things a little bit differently.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: I would have absolutely gone out of my way to
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: be ready to offer an apology or to say, you
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: know what, I didn't handle myself. Well, I was worried
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: about you. It was so fast, but like, I could
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: have definitely done things differently. But the way she's commenting
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: before they even sit down to have the conversation was
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: wild to me because she's like, I don't know if
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I'm going to apologize. She's like, I don't know what
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: I did wrong. Really, it was just because I cared
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: about them. It's crazy, what did you think.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: I did not like that at all. It actually triggered
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: me a little bit. I'm just like, Kim, why are
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: you got to be narking out with your big ass
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Nark's gonna narc I mean, I'm just like, what are
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: we doing here? It does not look good. She's immediately
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: on the defense, I think because she has been attacked
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: for so many now by these various characters on the show,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: whether it was Olivia or Veronica, and now it's Lydia
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: and her new NN. And like I understand, when the
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: family was first introduced to Zach, it was fast, it
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: was rushed. They did not have enough time to get
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: to know him. They all acted inappropriately, and it was
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: really unfair to Lydia. But like the fact that Kim said,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: with her big mouth, I know they're expecting an apology,
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: but I'm not gonna apologize for caring. Like that's such
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: a narc statement.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: That's like all those parents who when confronted about the
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: trauma they inflicted on their child say something like well,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: It wasn't perfect, Yeah exactly.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Don't take any responsibility for the things that you could own,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: but rather deflect and then lay it at the feet
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: of well, I it's because I love you, Okay. That
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: he was doing all of this, it was like very,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: very annoying. Yeah, these people are not emotionally developed at all.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: And with Kim, I do think we have a case
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: of somebody who's a narcissist, so they have a distorted
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: view of themselves and everyone else already. But like she's
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: so like there's a part of her that's so numb,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: unable to put her feelers out, engage where she might
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: have hurt someone or could have done something a little differently.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: And like with Lydia, she's like this little heart with
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: hands and feet, just wanting to love her husband, love
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: her family, be loved and seen. Like Lydia said that
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: I want to say three or four times in this episode,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: I just want to be known. Yeah, and Zach knows me.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Why doesn't my mom know me and what I want?
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: And I was like, oof, that hurt me. Kim as
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: a mom, that's a cry ye and she just does
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: not give a shit.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: No, she doesn't care at all. And it looks like
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: from the season preview, we're going to have more talks
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: with Lydia and Kim, which I do look forward to,
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: but I don't think Kim is going to react properly
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: to them whatsoever. And so when Lydia and Zach are
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: on the way to the farm, they have kind of
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: a conversation in the car and on the couch about
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: some of the issues that they want to bring to
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: the table with the family. And for Zach, he's like,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm not necessarily upset per se. I'm more
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: upset about how they treated Lydia and how they made
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Lydia feel. So he's coming at it from this I'm
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: going to protect my wife perspective, which I love, I
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: do appreciate. And Lydia is coming from it from a
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: mature standpoint as well, because she says, you know, it
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: took her several months to really collect her thoughts about this,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: collect her feelings about it, because she didn't want to
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: have a discussion with them right after the wedding when
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: it was so emotionally charged, and so she's really thought
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: about it. She really wants to talk to them about
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: it out of a place of love and like trying
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: to understand them, but also standing firm in her marriage
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: and saying like, look, I get that y'all don't maybe
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: like him, or you're worried that it was super super fast,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: but I got married him. I'm banging him. Deal with it.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: This is my husband.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: So I have a question for you. Where's the disconnect
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: do you think between the elder boys, for example, Ethan,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Micah and even Isaac and the emotional intelligence of the girls,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: including Mariah. Now, she's made a lot of mistakes, but
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: she's out here expressing herself. She is trying to love
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: her mom and her family and be a good daughter.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: And then you have Lydia very dutiful, but here in
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: this talk with her family, like approaching it very maturely,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: like apologizing first for anything I might have done, like
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: I'm really sorry. I know that the timeline was weird,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: but like there's just this compensation that the girls do emotionally,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: whereas the guys are just like I'm gonna do some
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: age push ups and I'm gonna, you know, beat my
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: brother to a pulp so that he has to go
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: to the er. What's what happened between the boys and
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: the girls, do you think?
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's like part of their religious upbringing,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: and like maybe it's the fact that, like women are
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: always supposed to be dutiful, they're always supposed to be compromising,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: they're always supposed to be subservient and even emotionally speaking.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's because of that, or maybe
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: it's their like traditional values. I just I guess I
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: can speak from my own perspective as a woman, like
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: women are more inclined to be empathetic or like understanding
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: or forgiving, whereas men are kind of.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Just like, yeah, but Ethan is so profoundly broken.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but Ethan's a special case, I think.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: And Micah and Isaac are also broken if they're willing
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: to beat each other to a pulp. Plus, we have
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: to talk about substances, because I think all three of
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: those boys are drinking. We know Mariah is as well,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: but I don't think Lydia really is drinking. And then
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: there's Kim who's drinking a lot. I just it seems
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: so strange to me. Yeah, like there's one half of
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: the family that is able to have these more sophisticated
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: conversations or to feel and express in a more comprehensive way,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: and then we have this black and white bullshit from
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: somebody like Ethan. Yeah, you can't see the forest for
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: the trees. I don't know. It was just a very strange.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do agree with you. I will say, Micah
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: to me seems more emotionally intelligent out of all of
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: the other boys. I mean, I think Isaac is kind
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: of getting there a little bit, but he's still kinda dumb.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: He's dumb, and Ethan is just the dumbest of them all.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: But I feel like Micah has more of a propensity
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: and always has had more of a propensity to be
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: more emotionally intelligent. But we'll see. So when we have
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Lydia and Zach arriving at the farm, you know, everybody
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: kind of hugs each other. The brothers are a little
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: bit awkward in hugging Zach, especially Ethan, who has to
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: be told by Micah to go hug Zach.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: And then he gives him a side hug, and he
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: obviously is not comfortable in doing so. Like, what's the problem, Ethan,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Look, like I said, I think Zach
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: is weird. I he gives me weird vibes. But for me,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: if I was in this family, I would be super polite.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: I would give him a full hug. I wouldn't have
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: acted like a fool at their wedding.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Do you know how many people in my family are weird? Yeah,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: I give them a bear hug. Well, yeah, primarily me.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: I give them a bear hug. I will love them anyway.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I will not like withhold affection to make a statement,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: which is what it felt like Ethan was doing.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Ethan's just petty and he's so like he thinks so
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: much with his rage brain, and I'm like, dude, just
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: chill out, go to therapy instead of drinking. But like whatever.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: So when they sit down to talk, we have Ken
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: inside listening to his classic Headis rock on his jukebox
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: in the farmhouse that Barry owns, like whatever. Barry is
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: seemingly okay with it, which kind of pisses me off
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: a little. He's like, yeah, it's kind of weird that
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Ken's here and Ken's in the house listening to music
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: or whatever, But like, weird's the new normal. I'm like Barry,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Can you not be passive? I also think that's an
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: issue with why the boys are the way they are,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: because Barry is not really a strong or assertive father figure.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: In my opinion, I don't necessarily think he's all bad.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: I think he's loving and I think he's kind and
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: in the case of Lydia, like he's been very supportive
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: of her marriage and everything. But he's just so fucking passive.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Why are you letting Kim stay in the farmhouse with
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: her side piece that she broke up the family.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: That your children are going to have to hang out with? Yeah,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: exposing your littles to this guy, Like, that's so weird.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Who is this man? His character is obviously in question
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: because he cheated with Kim and broke up your family.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, all of those racists posts
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: on Facebook, which I will continue to talk about, this
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: guy lacks and he's in your house with your kids.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Doesn't that bother you be boo bop?
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: No, he does not get boop bop. Barry's just on
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: a boat talked about how he's king in the world. Right.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, okay, dude, I just I can't so
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: when they all sit down to talk. Lydia is the
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: first one to bring anything up, and she's obviously like
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: on the verge of tears and then ultimately ends up
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: crying in the middle of the conversation. But she is
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: so gracious to her family, and she does apologize first off,
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: for anything that she had done, and she apologizes for
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: how quick their engagement and their wedding was and that
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: they didn't really get a chance to get to know Zach,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: but she really hopes that they make the effort now
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: and in the future to get to know him and
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: love him. Because she's married to him, she's probably gonna
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: have his big head babies, so like, get used to it.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: And then we have Actually, I think it's Micah who's
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: the first one to speak up, and I thought he
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: handled it pretty well. He did take ownership for the
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: fact that he didn't handle anything well. He acted a
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: fucking fool. He apologized for all of the drama, and
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: he does acknowledge that he was going through a lot
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: of shit at the time with Vampire of Veronica, and
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: that's not an excuse, but he does apologize.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Well, the way you're framing it is way more emotionally
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: intelligent than what Micah actually said. We're compensating for Micah
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: because he does not know how to communicate. None of
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: them truly do, except for Lydia apparently. But he starts
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: by saying like, yeah, you know, I shouldn't have done that,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: and uh, I'm sorry about that. But at the same time,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: like it was so fast though, we were just really concerned.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: What I'm saying is like, he doesn't make that kind
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: of an emotional statement. But because we know it's Micah,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: and because we know he can't really speak with words,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: it was a good apology. I gets.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: I think it was good for the plaths.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: For the plaths and their ability was dumb. It wasn't demonstrative.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: It wasn't this is what I did that was wrong,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: and this is what I will do in the future,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: never to do that again. It wasn't like an adult apology.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: It was an infantile toddler apology.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: But okay, great, yeah, I mean, I guess from my perspective,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: I'm like, at least he acknowledged that he did stuff
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: that was wrong like Kim, unlike Kim, and that's my issue.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: And then we have Isaac also saying the same kind
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: of thing that Micah did yes and said that, you know,
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: we acted like a bunch of idiots and we're sorry
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: for that. And then we have Ethan giving his man
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: baby apology as well, which I thought was definitely the
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: worst one because he wasn't really I don't think he
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: was coming from an authentic place. I think he was
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: just saying words, and he just said, you know, well,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry if I did anything to hurt you, which
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: I know that I did, so I'm sorry for that.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: And so it's just like, okay.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: And when Lydia's talking, he's not looking at her now,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: he's looking off somewhere else, like he can't deign to
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: actually look at her while she's speaking and crying and
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: pouring her heart out. Yep, he's so prideful and arrogant.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't think he knows how to handle emotions.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Go to therapy for the rest of us.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: I came up in a straight up abusive home.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: My father was a fucking monster and my mom was
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: a doormat, and that was what was modeled to me
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: as a child, and I didn't know how to be
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: in adult relationships. Guess what we get older, we become adults.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: We go to therapy, we read books, we try to
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: be better people. We don't get stuck in this terrible
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: place in a personality disorder, and then visit that shit
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: on everybody else. Grow up ethan true, you fucking baby.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, like, it took you a
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: long time to get to that point too, So I
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: feel like it will take him time. I'm trying to
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: have hope for it because I don't want to. I
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: don't want to think that he'll just be a chromagnin
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: piece of shit for the rest of his people live and.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Die their whole lives. Yeah, Chromagnin, he is only giving
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: a shit. I just don't see anything in him though,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: not even a spark of life that would indicate to
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: me that he wants to change or be a better
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: person for himself, fatiguing for anybody.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like Lydia is the.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Epitome, the quintessence of wholesome and innocent and good. Yeah,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: and in the face of her pouring out her heart
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: to her brothers and her family, yeah, he's got nothing
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: for her. There is something profoundly wrong with that guy.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he just is very resentful. It feels like so
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: he's just bruin and stewin deep down in himself. And
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: so he's like saying he's sorry, but he's not really sorry.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: He's just going to be bitter about it the whole time.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: And we'll see some of that bitterness come out in
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: the season preview against Zach as well well. And so
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: it's just like, God, Ethan, can you just not react
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: from your anger? Can you learn to deal with that?
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Is that possible? No?
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: You know what I thought, if I may, I thought,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: here's a guy, Ethan Plath who was in a relationship
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: with Olivia, and it felt to me like he was
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: probably made to have to apologize for so much in
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: that relationship. And in my opinion, Olivia was constantly moving
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: the goalposts and she would say I need you to
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: do this in order for me to be happy. He
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: would do that, and then she would change it to
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: something else. He was constantly shifting and adjusting for this woman,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: plus apologizing, so that now when he actually really does
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: owe somebody a literal apology for his very bad behavior,
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: he's so begrudging with it. Yeah, because it reminds him
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: and there's echoes of all the shit that he went
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: through with Olivia. So he doesn't want to give it.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I agree, which again is a sign of an immature Yeah,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: unwilling to grow asshole totally.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: It's toxic, it's not healthy behavior, and like we all
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: can have the capability of being that way, but it's
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: in the recognition of that that is a marker of maturity.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: And I do agree with you. I don't think he
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: recognizes that within himself. He's just content being an angry
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: curmudgeon working on his cars. And it's like, Okay, I
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: guess if you want to live that way, enjoy being
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: single forever, because nobody's going to deal with that, like,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: not even Tagan, you know, like you had Tagan who
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: was a bombshell who was totally in love with you
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: last season, and you could for some reason, No, you
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: couldn't even make that work. You're so stupid, and so yeah,
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Lydia cries and breaks down. She does accept the boys's apologies,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: and she does acknowledge that they're coming from like a
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: place of loving her and everything. She is just such
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: a forgiving person and that can be a double edged sword.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: The way I would have brought brass knuckles to that
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: family conversation and beat my brother's ass. If he didn't
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: offer an apology to my husband for being straight up
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: abusive and toxic to him, I would have been so
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: different than Lydia.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but she is so gracious and she does talk
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: about how the night before her wedding was the worst
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: night of her life, which made me really sad for
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: her because now she's just gonna look back on her
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: wedding day and her wedding in general and have that
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: sadness associated with it, and I just I don't love
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: that for her. Like we talked about it extensively last season.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: I can understand some of the family's concerns with like
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: how she rushed into this marriage with this guy who's
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: kind of a weirdo, but like they just didn't really
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: they didn't handle it well at all, and they ended
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: up hurting Lydia really bad. And I don't think she's
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: ever gonna really get over this. Unfortunately. I think she
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: will forgive, but she's not going to forget, and it's
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: just going to create a wedge in the family. I
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: think what I thought was interesting about this confrontation with
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: the family is when we get to Kim, Kim is
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: just being like a total mean mug the entire time,
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: like she is not apologizing for anything. She says something
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: to the effect of like, well, yeah, Zach, we love you,
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: We've always loved you, we accept you. But like, meanwhile,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: she's talking to the camera this season and last season
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: about how she just doesn't know Zach and didn't have
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: time to get to know him, and she thinks he's
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: controlling and blah blah blah, and this was something that
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Lydia wanted to talk to Kim about specifically, she didn't
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: really get into it in this conversation, so I'm hoping
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: she gets into it later in the season because Lydia
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: is very upset by Kim's assumptions of Zach and his
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: behavior over her, because Lydia doesn't feel that Zach is
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: controlling at.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: All, specifically with regard to being controlling. And also, Kim
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: says that she personally observed Lydia wanting to do things
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: a certain way with her wedding and Zach overriding her
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: and doing something different, and last season the example of
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: that was the colors that they wore for their wedding.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Kim had told us to the camera that Lydia wanted
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: to wear Hunter green, and it was Zach who wanted
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: to wear blue, and so then all of a sudden,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: everything was blue. Lydia tells the camera this season, I
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: would never want Hunter green. We both decided on blue,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: and so we have to choose who we're going to
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: believe there, And honestly, I kind of believe Kim here too.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: I kind of believe Kim.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Here because why would Kim even say that?
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: I kind of think that she did observe that, and
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: maybe that's not how it happened in the vibes.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: With Lydia and Zach, but it could.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Be what Kim thought she observed in the relationship, and
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: so she raised the red flag. But she should have
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: done that privately, for sure. She should have done that
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: directly to Lydia.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: She should not have done that on camera and used
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: it as a weapon against Zach, who she did not know,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: which I think is kind of the greater point that
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Lydia's trying to make.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: Definitely, and Kim last season also used this with Ethan
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: to kind of team up against Zach, right, which was
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: also incredibly inappropriate and not fucking cool. But I do
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: kind of believe Kim a little bit too, and like
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: even in this confrontation with Lydia and Zach, like, we
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: started the episode with talking about the sexuality allegations that
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: the boys had made towards Zach, which were totally inappropriate,
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: really fucking awful and bullying behavior, like point blank, and
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: we didn't address that in the confrontation with the family
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: at all, which I thought was really interesting. There was
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: a lot of emphasis on the controlling aspect, and there
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: were some moments in the episode for me where Zach
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: was very clear to be like, yeah, Lydia knows exactly
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: what she's going to say about how we feel, and
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: she's going to make sure she conveys to the family
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: that you know, I'm not controlling, And I'm just like, hmm,
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: it's a little odd for me. I hope you're not
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: like that. I don't know. That's just why I have
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: weird vibes about him, because I'm kind of like, maybe
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: you are a little controlling. Yeah, maybe you are a
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: little bit.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I don't think Kim wants to
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: find something wrong with Zach. I do think Kim, even
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: though she's so broken and so flawed and such a narcissist,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: I do think ultimately she wants what's best for Lydia. Yeah,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: but I I the problem is in the execution of
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: how she's parented. The problem is in all of the tragic,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: catastrophic mistakes that she's made in being a parent, like
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: blowing up the entire family, Like who are you to
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: come into my burgeoning relationship and my ultimate marriage and
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: tell me about my husband when you are the one
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: who cheated on my dad, who made me be a
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: proxy mother. I had to take care of all your
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: kids while you were out fucking the one eyed Ken Palmer.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Who are you to stand and criticize the man that
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: I chose for myself, A godly man according to Lydia,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: A man who loves me, according to Lydia, a man
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: who is straight Lyda, Who are you though, Kim? Like
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: you're not the right one? Y? And I loved that.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: In the conversation, Lydia made a point to turn to
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Barry and say, and I want to thank those folks
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: who were support part of me and Dad in particular,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: thank you for being so good to Zach, which so
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: gets into Kim's craw like love. Kim cannot take it,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: and she even says to the camera, I felt like
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: that was a job to me because I care. Yeah, okay,
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: because I was so concerned she's taking it out on
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: me because Barry just wants to be the parent that
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: gets by and that pleases everybody. So she can't like
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: look at herself.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: She's emotionally immature, very much so.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: But like she also is so distorted in her perception.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: She can't see herself and how she conducts herself. And like,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: how out of fucking pocket it is to have Ken
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Palmer at the farm, How out of pocket it is
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: to talk about one of your children's partners when you've
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: blown up the entire life of your family. She doesn't
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: see herself accurately in this way. All she can do
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: is deflect, defend, and blame one.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: And I think you had talked about this last season,
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: so I'll just reiterate it again. Like Kim raised the
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: kids to be this way, she raised Lydia p to
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: be this way. She raised her to follow in her footsteps,
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: which is, you know, be a good Christian girl, get
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: married to the first guy you see, submit and get
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: married right away, and then pump out a bunch of
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: babies Like this is the example that you set out
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: for your kids, and while some of them are not
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: following in that example because you blew everything up, Lydia
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: is because she believes in this principle that you instilled
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: in her, and so, like I can understand from a
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: maternal instinct, like Kim being concerned about Lydia making the
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: same mistakes that she did with Barry, I get that.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: But now that you're a cheating ass drunk, you don't
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: really get to You don't get to you don't get
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: to say that kind of you lost the right. Yes,
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: and if you had conducted yourself better in the divorce,
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: if you didn't get a duy, if you didn't you know,
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: get with Ken Palmer of all teachers, like what the hell?
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: If you didn't do all of this shit and make
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: a fool out of yourself, out of the family, out
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: of Barry, maybe you could have had a conversation with
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: Lydia and said like, hey, you know, this is the
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: reason why I left your dad because I realized I
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: made a mistake twenty fucking years ago, and I really
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: am worried about you doing the same thing. Maybe Lydia
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: would have been receptive to that, but you lost your
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: fucking chance, so now you could be all bitter because
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: Lydia is gravitating towards her dad, who has been nothing
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: but supportive and loving.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: I am passive and he's passive, non assertive.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: And like, look, I agree that Barry is kind of
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: in the wrong by just rubber stamping the relationship immediately
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: and not really giving it a second thought. Like this
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: is your daughter that you're giving away to some dude
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: you don't even.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Know, weirdo.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: It's like he's so fucking weird, but you're just like
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: happy because he's a Christian guy, and Lydia seems happy
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: for now. Like I agree with Kim in that regard
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: that Barry shouldn't be so happy go lucky. But at
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: the same time, Barry says in this episode, like I'm
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: just trying to be the dad that Lydia needs me
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: to be, and I just want to be that for
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: all of my children, and so I'm just going to
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: be supportive in any way that I can and she
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: can lean on me, and I just want to show
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: up for her in that loving way. And I do
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: respect that.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: I do respect it. I mean, it's not necessarily the
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: role of a strong father, not really. But Barry I
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: don't think was ever a strong father. I think he
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: was a provider. I think he went to work at
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: the transportation company.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: Or whatever tells.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Whatever he did, he went to work. He provided all
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: of the things that they had, and they had a
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: farm and then a wholesome upbringing and all of the things.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: But he was not present. He did not know his children,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: not really. And so now he's trying to show up
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: in a way that he thinks models what good fatherhood
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: looks like, but he doesn't actually know what that is.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: And of course the kids are going to gravitate towards
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: that because their mom is such a fucking mess. So
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: of course they're going to go to the parent that is, like,
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: you know, projecting this airr of stability.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: And also approving every choice that you make at twenty
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: one years old to marry some unemployed tennis in the
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: structures with no lips exactly exactly.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: Come on, I mean, if you had to choose between
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: these two parents, like, yeah, I'd probably pick thee boopbop
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: Barry too.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Like my dad was an absolute monster, as I said,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: and he had so many problems, but like when he
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: met my first husband. He took his shoes and he
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: threw them into the street, and he's say, get the
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: fuck out of my Like, my dad also knew how
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: to be strong, yeah, in certain ways, and Barry's got
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: none of that. Irrespective of his muscles, right, irrespective of
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: his new body. He doesn't know how to be that
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: strong father who can actually say to Lydia, but Lydia,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: are you sure? Here's what I actually see as an
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: old dude, as an old head that you should think about,
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Like he didn't do that for her, and Kim didn't
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: know how to do that to her. And then we've
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: got Ethan who's trying to do that for her, but
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: he's a fucking mess.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: And I think that's the problem, like because they don't
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: really have a strong, like authoritative father figure in the house.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: Like you have these boys that are trying to compensate
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: in this way, but like you can't. You don't get
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: to do that as an older brother, Like you're just
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: a brother. You're not the patriarch unfortunately. Like Barry is
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: still the head or the leader of the household, but
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: he doesn't really.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Act like one, no, not at all. He's just kind
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: of like a background and I do think Ethan is
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: trying to step into the figure.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: He totally is. He talked about it last season. He's like,
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask the hard questions because I know my
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: dad's not right. So and that's unfortunate that it has
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: to come from fucking Ethan. Yeah, he's such a chromagnut
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: stupid asshole.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: Yes, like toxic, potentially physically abusive, yeah, certainly emotionally and
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: verbally abusive.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: We don't need Ethan being the arbiter of what's good
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: and right in a family or a marriage. Goddamn seriously.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: So we end the episode with this conversation where Zach
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: feels like they haven't fully resolved everything. He's still worried
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: about Lydia and her feelings and Kim and Kim and
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: Barry even talked about that too, that there is still
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: a lot of healing that needs to be done between
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: Lydia and Kim specifically and Q because there was a
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: ton of hurt and a ton of pain on Lydia's
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: part from the divorce. Yes, obviously, Like I would be
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: so fucking Madami, Oh my.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: God, I would be filled with incandescent fury from my
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: mother if she had parentified me to the extent after
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: telling me the way that I should live religiously, spiritually, morally,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: and then abandoning that entire structure going off to sleep
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: with the one eyed can Palmer. Now, I've got to
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: take care of your kids and your man. I gotta
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: cook for everybody, clean up your house. Yep, Oh my god,
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: I would be so angry.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: I'm honestly surprised not one of these kids hasn't like
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: screamed at Kim for this, because if it were me, Oh,
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: I'd be fighting, I'd be tussling, I'd be so fucking mad,
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: I'd be going no contact because Kim is just really
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: such a fucking mess.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: Well, and then the preview, and obviously we'll get there.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: We have Isaac saying, but like, you know, mom has
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: been accused of so many things, and I actually think
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: she was right all along.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: That pissed me off. Are you kidding me? That pissed
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: me off? Because you know what that is. That's Kim
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: going to the boys and going to the rest of
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: the kids and airing out all of her bullshit and
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: visiting upon them all of her feelings about everything and
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: be like, no, no, no, this is the truth, and
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: I was.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: The victim and they came after me. They accused me
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: of all these things, credit card, all this stuff. A
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: little babe has said yes in Isaac's buying the bullshit shit.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: And then you've got the three littles starting with Amber.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: I'm like, girls don't buy into this.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: And they already are kind of what else.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: Can they do?
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: Yeh?
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: Or else can they go? Barry's not present, He's in
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: the fourth or the fifth dimssion. He is not on
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: the planet with us, dude, He's a literal robot.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: And that's the thing. Like Kim is really playing into
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: the Divorced Mom handbook, where she is like totally, in
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: my opinion, talking shit to all of the kids about Barry,
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: about all of the exes, probably most definitely Olivia, probably Veronica,
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: Like she's talking shit about everything that everyone has done
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: to her so that way she can get sympathy points
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: from the rest of the kids, and so that way
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: she can get all of this love and adoration. Like
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: she's totally playing into that, and Barry is just so
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: fucking oblivious and passive and it just drives me nuts.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: I'm like, can we just can you just.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: Isn't this great?
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: It's so good, it's so good, it's so the best
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: fucking show. Tell me I'm wrong, and I love it
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: so fucking much. So we get to the season preview
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: and it looks fucking lit. So we have them going
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: to look for Bigfoot, which is ridiculous but I love.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: I go to sleep every night listening to Sasquatch chronic.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: You're ridiculous.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: I believe in Bigfoot man for sure anyway.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: But they're gonna go look for Bigfoot and they have
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: singing bowls, which I think is funny. I am, I know,
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: I know, you're sure.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: I told the story yes before.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: And then we have Barry going on a date with
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: a hot, skinny woman.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know if she's hot because we don't see
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: her face, but she's skinny, so that's different.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: Sorry. And we have some women from town saying that
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: Barry has a nickname and he's called the plath Daddy,
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: which I absolutely love because you know, Kim is gonna
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: be watching this ship drunk so bad with their big
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: old bowling ball body and means so up said, I
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: just love it so much. And then we have Ethan
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: going up to Wisconsin. He's going to prize Teagan.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: I guess, or are we stalking people now?
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: He's trying to act like those guys from the romance
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: books and being like, drive all the way up here
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: in my weird ass car, my old man car.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: To tell you. I feel like we have some unfinished business,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: but I'm still not willing to do anything to work
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: for you.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: I feel like Tigan's gonna be like, get the fuck
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: out of here. We'll see. Then we have Kim who
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: is jazz er sizing and Tattle's working hard, talking about
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: her weight gain which has been severe, sorry, what's been severe?
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: And she wants to get back to her hot young self.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: I guess because Ken is not attracted to her body,
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: YadA yadi. Right now.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: I need for this conversation to take place so that
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: I can watch it, because how does she know that
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: he's not attracted to her unless he has told her
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: his own mouth that he's not attracted to her fat
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: lady body.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: I think he's told her with his slurred words and all,
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: because she says, from what I can see of your
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: fat lady body, I'm not into it.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: Like actually, also racist bullshit. Let me say some racist bullshit.
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: Too.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: God, these people are winners.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: Well, Like in the preview, Kim's like, I know you're
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: not attracted to me with the way that I am,
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: and then Ken nods He's.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, not attracted to you? Why are you with
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: this person? Why is the living in Berry's farm?
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: Because no one else is gonna want to be with
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: Kim fucking plaid.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: God, this is so great.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: It's it's so fucking awesome. And then we have Isaac,
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: which is disappointing to me, but he is saying that
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: his pooky Kaylan is pressuring him too much to move
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: faster in their relationship, and Kaylan's like, no, I'm not.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: Maybe chill out, bro, So we'll see how that happens.
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: And then we have Lydia and Kim talking. It seems
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: like they are talking on the way to like having
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: lunch together or something, but they're talking about Joshua, who
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: is Kim's kid that passed away tragically in two thousand
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: and eight because she ran over him by accident. But
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: she is upset with Lydia for the way that Lydia
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: talked about it, which is interesting. And then we also
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: have a scene with Kim going to some fake therapist
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: talking about Joshua's death.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: And sorry, I was rude to say it that way.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: That was very traumatic. I can't even imagine she did
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: run over her child, but it was an accident. But
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just tragic.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: It's just tragic.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna just not say anything right now. Yeah.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: And then we have Isaac, of course, saying he thinks
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: that his mom has been unfairly targeted this entire time,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: and she's actually been right about everything. And he's saying
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: this to Ethan, which I'm just like, what are y'all
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: drinking the kool aid? They're drinking something, they are And
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: then we have Zach at some point giving Ethan his
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: opinion or advice or something about his relationship with Teagan.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know if this is like producer fakery or not,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: but what Zach says about the situation pisses Ethan off.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: But everything pisses Ethan off. So I don't know, girl,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: this season looks like it is going to be fire.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: And so the question going into this season was, could
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: we have an entertainting season of Welcome to Platfilm without
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: Olivia mm hmm and all of her narcissistic attributes and
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: Veronica without all of her psychotic, potentially dangerous attributes. Uh huh.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: And I think the answer based on what we're seeing
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: is yes, Like I'm into it. Oh, I'm so sorry.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: I was so excited about it. I love this. We
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: don't need outsiders necessarily. I mean, I think that they
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: trigger conversations about the family that are interesting, but we
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: don't actually need them because there's enough dysfunction inherent in
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: the plaths for us to talk for a million years
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: about this family.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: And I honestly love it so much. It's really great
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: because there's no other show like it on TV right now. Yeah,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: i'd Sister Wives, I guess, but Sister Wives is so
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: produced now that.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: There's such a stark difference. Yes, there's such a stark difference.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: It doesn't feel as scripted. You know, Cody and Robins
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: standing in their places in the driveway to have a
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: scripted conversation. Obviously they thought about what was gonna happen
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: in this episode. We're gonna have a talk. It's gonna
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: be eighty percent of the episode. But it felt real.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: It felt like there's real injuries and wounds here that
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: they need to get over.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: It.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: Felt like there was jealousy, there was passivity, there were problems,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: and I'm here for.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: It, and I will say and this will be just
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: my final point. I won't go on too much of
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: a tangent. I do appreciate that the Plaths have always
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: been able to have these like group family discussions, because
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: on Sister Wise, for example, it's always just one on one,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: especially the last several seasons, like we can't ever get
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: these adults in the same fucking room, right, But with
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: the Plaths, consistently from season one, they have always done this.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: They've always had these like group family discussions, even involving Olivia,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: evolving Veronica, involving all these other people. And you know,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: even though they are very dysfunctional, they still at least
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: try to come at it from a semi like I
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: don't want to say stable, like semi like coherent yeah,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: or like yeah coherent standpoint where they can actually try
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: and hear people out and try to come to a
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: common understanding. Like sometimes it ends up in fights, or
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: sometimes it ends up with a little bit of drama
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: before Lucky, but like it's still really refreshing to see
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: them all in one room, even Bury and Kim, like
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: Bury and Kim being able to talk to each other
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: and interact with each other for the sake of their
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: children and not be super vitriolic. I mean, Kim is
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: a little bit. I mean she's thrown some digs at
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: Berry because she's jealous that he's all fit and she's fat.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: But at least they can be in the same room
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: together and talk and it not be so horrible like incestry.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: I think that is such a good point, and it
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: makes all the difference. I think so many of us
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: who watched Sister Wives season after season were there because
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: we've been there from the beginning and or we're recapping
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: it for a podcast or whatever. But like, I'm actually
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: watching this because I'm invested and interested in this actual
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: family and what they're gonna do and what is coming next.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: And I believe it also me too. Like there was
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: a season, not last season, but the season before that
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: where they were doing too much manufactured bullshit where I
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: was like, hmmm, I might have to bounce if you
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: don't get real.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: It was too much Olivia and her vagina hair just boyfriend.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and like them going to like a carnival
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: or something. It was just all bad. But then last
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: season was fire. This season looks great as long as
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: they can keep it authentic and like we're actually looking
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: at a real family trying to work through their shit.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: There's going to be some production fuckery, but if for
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: the most part what we're seeing is a real situation,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: I'm into me too bid Thank God, I love it.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: I'm here for it to a long Hooday. Yes, Well,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: is there anything else that we should say to these
• 1:05:26
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• 1:05:30
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• 1:05:32
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• 1:05:41
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• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: We are going to be back on Tuesday for the
• 1:05:44
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• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: next installment of Sister Wives. Yes, we're doing rewinds. We
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: are going through the records. We are in season eight,
• 1:05:55
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• 1:06:00
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• 1:06:04
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• 1:06:07
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• 1:06:10
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