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No animals were harmed in the recording of this podcast… · Paranormal Lens - A Crossroads Of Curiosities, LLC Production

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  Coming up... This is hilarious, Brianna's face.
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  She's so scared. I am sometimes, honestly, about
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  the things that come out of your mouth. Well,
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  you can raw, but you cannot hide. What? Before
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  we started recording, Brianna started talking
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  about how she's taking a stand against rawhides.
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  And that plays into the topic of animal ghosts.
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  Do you want to elaborate? No. Give us a good,
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  fun fact of why that is bad for dogs, Brianna.
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  Well, just rawhide, like dogs can't digest rawhides,
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  so don't feed your dog rawhides, because also
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  if they eat too big of a piece, it can create
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  an intestinal blockage, and that causes surgery
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  to correct, and that is very expensive. It can
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  also create animal ghosts, which is the topic
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  of today's discussion. Allegedly, we don't know.
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  can animals have ghosts that's what we're talking
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  about what is this too is this too morbid should
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  we put a disclaimer no animals were harmed in
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  the making of this uh this this episode yeah
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  i feel i feel like that that should be the title
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  of this episode welcome to our podcast where
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  we take deep dives looking at various topics
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  through a paranormal lens I guess we need to
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  establish off the bat. Do we believe, yes or
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  no, we're going to do this again. Do you believe
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  that animals can have ghosts? Yes. I'm going
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  to say no. What? Yeah. Mind blown. I'm so surprised.
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  I say yes! How? So, okay, here is my thoughts.
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  As someone that wears scrubs frequently, because
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  she's an almost real, imaginary in my head, doctor,
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  doctor, vet. I'm a veterinary assistant at the
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  moment. But you have street cred. Yes, I have
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  street cred, and I own a lot of animals. So,
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  my thought is... If you're thinking about ghosts,
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  like intelligent hauntings, ghosts, souls that
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  are left behind, whatever, or have unfinished
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  business, animals are here on Earth to live,
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  to eat, drink, sleep, to make it to the next
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  day. Like, that is their purpose in life. If
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  it's a dog or a cat, like, their purpose in life
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  is to have fun with you. So when they pass away,
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  they're not going to have unfinished business.
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  They fulfilled their business in life. Well,
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  I'd argue, Bree, maybe my purpose in life is
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  to eat, sleep, and poop too. And if I do those
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  three things in my life, I got nothing to come
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  back for. Why can't that be the meaning of everyone's
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  life? Eat, sleep, shit. I'll just say, I'll drop
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  the shit. Eat, sleep, shit. Eat, sleep, shit.
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  But I do think there can be residual hauntings
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  of animals. It also could be that I don't want
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  to think of an animal being stuck as a ghost.
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  But here's the thing. There's all these different
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  stories of when someone has to put their dog
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  down or they die suddenly or whatever. And then
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  them coming back to their owners the night of,
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  saying their last goodbye. You know, there's
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  so many stories like that. I count that as a
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  ghost. That's like a one -hour ghost, if that
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  makes sense. A temporary ghost. Temporary ghost.
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  I'm still going to stand by what I say. But I
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  get what you say, too. I don't think any animals
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  are going to be... stuck here there could be
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  residuals but i think there is it there could
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  be like one hour ghost a temporary ghost of an
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  animal saying their goodbyes to whoever we need
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  a better term for this anyone listening what's
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  a good term like a spooky term for like a temporary
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  ghost like we need we need a good term um because
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  i i like that concept i never heard of that like
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  just a temporary ghost just like the universe
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  like creates a ghost of something Just to give...
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  Like, isn't that a great concept? Like, the universe
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  creates, like, a... I don't know, spirit or something?
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  Just to give someone a sign and give them comfort?
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  But it's not actually, like, them or their soul?
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  That's wholesome. It's an interesting concept.
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  It's an interesting idea. As someone who... has
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  had a lot of animals in my life and a lot of
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  animals that have passed away. I can't say that
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  I've ever had that experience, but I'm not saying
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  because I haven't had that experience that other
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  people haven't. I'm just saying that I probably
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  have had more animals in my life at this point
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  than most people will ever have in their life.
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  And... if that is an experience that some people
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  have i feel like i should fall into that majority
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  and i don't like but i don't but here's the thing
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  there might be a reason why you don't though
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  see all right just jumping in real quick to say
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  if you heard that sound and you're wondering
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  what was that me too while editing i noticed
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  this weird i don't want to say it's like is definitively
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  a voice but it sounds like a deep voice and i'm
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  also definitely not saying it's a ghost don't
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  know what it is it's unexplained i'm gonna play
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  it again right here that sound i don't know what
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  it was one more time again could be anything
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  could be something Could be nothing. Who knows?
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  But it jumped out to me, and I assumed it might
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  have caught your ear if you're listening attentively.
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  So I just want to say, I don't know what that
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  was. Let us know what you think it could be.
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  Just going to play it one more time. Yeah, I
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  don't know. All right, let's dive back into the
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  conversation. Like, here's the thing. You have
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  had so many animals in your life that I'm not
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  saying, like, you're used to the death of your
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  animals, because that's always going to be hard.
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  But you know how to take it better compared to
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  someone who only has had only one animal in their
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  lifetime. If you think of it that way and think
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  of it as like... Because it could be a person's
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  coping mechanism. I was going to say. I don't
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  want to say that. I don't want to say that because
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  I believe in the idea of your pet coming back
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  to comfort you after they've passed. It's a beautiful
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  idea. It's a beautiful thought. But also, could
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  it just be a coping mechanism for grief? Yeah.
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  The human mind is powerful. Yeah. Absolutely.
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  Well, to Bree's point, too, I want to go back.
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  I agree with everything she said, but I do think
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  when it comes to residual energy, I think all
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  hauntings are residual energy anyways. That's
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  why I said yes. I don't think if a dog always,
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  you know, runs up and down the stairs creating
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  an imprint and then you still hear that after
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  they pass, you know, and you're like, oh, that
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  was Billy the dog. Yeah. You know, so. I work
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  in a vet clinic, and we do see many a pet pass
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  away at the vet clinic. Oh, I thought you were
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  going to say you do see many pet ghosts. You'd
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  think, also, like, if people believe in, like,
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  the place where a human dies is where they haunt,
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  like, wouldn't vet clinics be super haunted with
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  animal ghosts? hmm no but with your points that
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  you made no they're not gonna exactly and i and
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  i know that as like experience wise like i've
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  been in my vet clinic by myself there's nothing
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  there if you ask one of my co -workers they would
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  disagree maybe i'll investigate one of my co
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  -workers she claims she was in the clinic by
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  herself like closing up her dog was with her
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  and she was in the back dog runs and her dog
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  started acting very nervous and they started
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  hearing knocking on one of the side like the
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  the dog runs are have like plastic walls they
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  started hearing knocking almost like a dog wagging
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  its tail against the wall And they got out of
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  there. Like, they left. What's to be scared about
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  a ghost dog? The fact that it's a ghost, and
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  people typically in this field, or, well, I guess
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  not everybody, but, like, a lot of people, you
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  know, average people don't really have experience
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  with ghosts or want to, so it would be scary.
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  That is fair. Again, I'll bring it back to the
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  residual hauntings. Yes. I don't think there's
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  a single one -off experience is reason to call
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  a place haunted. But if it was haunted, or if
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  a vet clinic happens to be haunted, there can
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  be haunted vet clinics, it's probably going to
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  be from residual activity and probably residual
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  haunting. And if it is a residual haunting, again,
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  do you agree or disagree that... Doesn't matter
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  if a dog left the imprint or a human or a cat
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  or a bunny or a hamster or a guinea pig. If a
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  residual motion, you know, a hamster on the hamster
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  wheel, that sound or whatever. Imagine a haunted
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  hamster wheel. Haunted hamster wheel. If it just
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  keeps, you can hear the sound of it spinning.
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  Even after Murphy the hamster died. oh my god
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  that would be residual and like does it like
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  i think that would still be applicable to whatever
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  the rules or laws of residual energy are yeah
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  um so i think what are is what we're saying that
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  the energy of animals can remain on earth they
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  just don't function or exist In all the same
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  ways. Or even any of the same ways as humans.
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  I would say that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just. That
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  would break my heart. If there is an animal stuck
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  here. Like their soul wise or whatever. And it's
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  just like. I don't understand why any animal
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  would be stuck here. Because when you said Bree.
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  Their purpose is just to. live and love, you
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  know? Like, why would they be punished by these
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  things? Even if you're thinking about, like,
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  in this circumstance, we're just talking about
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  pets. Like, if you want to take it a step further,
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  you could talk about wild animals. And, like,
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  their purpose is just to survive. To survive,
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  yeah. Like, for Pete's sake. Huh? Huh? Why do
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  you say that? For Pete's sake. Who's Pete? Want
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  me to tell you who Pete is? So... Brianna's just
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  like, what? I'm generally so confused. This is
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  hilarious. Brianna's face. She's so scared. I
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  am sometimes honestly about the things that come
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  out of your mouth. Like, I just don't understand
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  where this is coming from. You're trying to relate
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  Pete's sake to animals. Oh, I said, do you want
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  to know about Pete? And then she... No, you said
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  Pete's sake. Okay. Anyways. Tell us about Pete,
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  Ben. Who's the... Who the fuck is Pete? So there's...
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  A haunted location. Me and Brianna almost investigated
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  one time, but it was planned for March 2020,
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  and obviously that didn't happen for various
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  reasons, and then we never went back. We've investigated
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  next door at this place called the Howell Opera
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  House, which is a haunted opera house. But in
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  town, there's a haunted theater where if you
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  go ask Google, the Google AI responds. on who
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  haunts that theater the ai response needs to
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  improve their punctuation skills because it says
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  the two apparitions are a ghost lion and husband
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  killed by a woman so the lion was killed by a
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  woman that's what he would think based on their
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  lack of punctuation but actually they're totally
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  separate hang on this was this is even better
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  it was not just a woman that killed her husband
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  saw a lion killed the lion totally separate instances
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  apparently i was gonna say is the the husband
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  married to the lion no no that's how it sounds
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  yes like i said they need to work on their punctuation
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  skills totally separate instances but i was intrigued
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  so i did more research um turns out this theater
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  um is very old And back in the day, a traveling
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  circus came through, and there was a famous lion
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  in the circus, a circus lion named Pete. And
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  when in town, not at the theater, I don't think,
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  but in town before the show, he died. So what
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  did they do? They took him to the theater anyways.
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  The dead lion, they took the dead lion to the
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  theater, and he is still to this day. buried
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  on the property so instead of yeah yeah so before
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  a circus performance this lion died and they
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  buried him at the theater instead of having him
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  perform at the theater why would they bury him
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  there that makes no sense where else are they
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  gonna be putting you're just gonna drag the dead
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  lion across The state or country to bury them
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  somewhere else? I mean, it was different times
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  back then. What happens to these animals when
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  they die? I actually haven't thought about that.
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  Like circus animals? Yeah, is there a circus
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  graveyard? I think they're... I don't know, actually.
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  I would think if they're like... main star attractions,
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  they would actually have a place that they bury
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  them. Otherwise, I feel like they'd probably
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  be... Huh? Main attraction? Like a lion? Main
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  attraction? I see what you did there. I'm continuing.
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  Either that or have them cremated because they're
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  constantly on the move. But here's the thing.
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  Modern circuses... don't really have animals
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  anymore because it's seen as animal abuse and
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  cruelty. Correct, yeah. But they still do. Some
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  of them, yeah, depending on, like, where. But
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  I'm just saying, like, back in the days when
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  that probably was more normal, they probably,
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  like, cremation was in a... Probably wasn't a
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  thing for them. I don't know. They probably just
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  buried them on the spot wherever they could.
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  Because what are they going to do? Carry a big
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  giant animal on horseback to a new location?
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  Yeah. They used trains. They didn't use horseback.
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  Exactly. That's animal cruelty. Having a horse
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  carry a dead lion across the country. Or just
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  Oregon trail it and just... throw them off to
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  the side like they did when horses died on the
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  Oregon Trail. I don't know. I mean, I guess you
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  gotta look it up. I don't know. It's intriguing,
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  but like yeah, my point is this is way more fascinating
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  and intriguing than the initial theory that I
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  thought would be entertaining of like a woman.
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  How does she kill a lion in the midst of killing
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  her husband? No, that's not what happened. But
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  this is way more intriguing and interesting.
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  And to this day, people investigate this theater
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  and they see the shadow of a lion. They have
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  caught growls, multiple investigators, that sound
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  like a lion. Yeah. Well, I have heard, like,
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  about old abandoned zoos being haunted. As well.
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  I don't know if you've ever heard of that. I
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  have. I feel like that would be interesting.
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  No, with the animals. Really? Like people hearing
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  the animals at night or seeing things pacing
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  in the cages. But it's still like that's that
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  residual energy I feel like that's left behind.
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  But that wouldn't make sense for there to be
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  a lion haunting if we're considering animal hauntings
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  to be residual it wouldn't make sense for the
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  lion to be like haunting the theater if it never
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  actually performed there that's true maybe it
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  did though i mean maybe did in multiple performances
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  i need to do more research into the the nuances
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  and fine details that would be a fun story to
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  find like actual newspapers on because i yeah
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  i still i can't believe Who's hearing a growl
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  and their first thought is, did a lion ever die
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  on this property? If you hear a growl, is your
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  first thought, did a lion die on this property?
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  And then imagine a surprise where, what if Angela
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  just came up to you and said, you know, I'm not
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  psychic, but I think a lion died here. Like,
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  I can't get this out of my head. And you do research
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  and a lion is actually buried in this random
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  theater. I'd believe in everything if that happened.
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  So that's Pete. That's who Pete was. Huh. Anyway,
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  I looked up the circus scene. Most of the animals
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  are just kind of buried quietly in unmarked locations.
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  Kind of wherever they died. Yeah, that makes
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  sense. Wait, so it is the thing that like...
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  Because I remember when I was a kid, I thought
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  it was so cool, like, people would dig up dinosaurs
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  in their backyard, right? Like, dinosaurs could
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  be buried under a parking lot. Like, anywhere
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  you go, there could be dinosaur bones. But there
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  is also a whole underground dead skeleton circus.
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  I guess so. Yeah? You know, there used to be,
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  like, a... I don't know when. Somewhere in Holland,
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  at one point, there was a, like, a private zoo,
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  and they just buried all their animals on the
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  shore of Lake Michigan. And my dad would be,
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  like, on the beach, and he said that he would
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  dug up a full -on, like, like, elephant leg bone
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  at one time when he was a kid. That was on the,
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  like, right on Lake Michigan. Wow. Uh -huh. Interesting.
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  Huh. So they could be anywhere. Huh. Huh. Huh.
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  Huh. Huh. Huh. So, any other things you want
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  to get on record about current thoughts on animal
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  ghosts or hauntings? No. I think I've said just
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  about everything that I want to say. This might
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  be a little short on the short side, but, you
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  know, we'll make it up next week with a three
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  -hour special. How about that? More yes or no?
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  Three hours. Can you imagine talking for three
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  hours? I actually kind of can. Actually, yeah.
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  It's doable. Yeah, we've done it before a few
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  times. Just not on a podcast. Yeah, I feel like
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  nobody would listen to us for three hours straight.
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  No, I'd chop that up anyways into multiple episodes.
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  I wouldn't even be able to listen back to that.
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  I'd be like, what were we thinking? This is stupid.
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  We can't even make a three -hour movie. All 200
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  episodes of the Afterlife Road web series don't
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  even add up to... One hour. Three hours. No.
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  Not happening. Not happening now. Maybe in the
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  future. Who knows. Alright. Final thoughts? Nah.
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  I'm good. Ange? I'm good. Alright. Well, adios
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  amigas. Amigos. People listening. Animals that
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  are listening. Anyone that's listening. Pete,
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  if you're out there, we'll find you. That was
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  so ominous. That's such a threat. Jeez Louise,
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  Ben. We'll find you, Pete. Beware, Pete. The
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  lion. You can roar, but you cannot hide. Thanks
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  for listening to this week's episode of Paranormal
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  Lens. If you liked what you heard, every five
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  -star rating and positive review tells the algorithms
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  we're a worthy podcast and pushes us out to more
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  listeners. We appreciate each and every one of
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  you and we'll see you next Thursday for another
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  paranormal deep dive.