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3 Guys Before The Game - UCF Game Recap (Episode 667) · 3 Guys Before The Game

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  Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. It's time for three guys before the game.
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  Speaker 1: The gang is assembled. It's Sunday morning as we record,
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  Speaker 1: and we will recap West Virginia and UCF. This is
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  Speaker 1: episode number six hundred and sixty seven. Rough day in
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  Speaker 1: the numbers a collective ouch. Yesterday afternoon in Orlando, forty
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  Speaker 1: five thirteen. Game was over very early, fourteen to seven
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  Speaker 1: at halftime. So maybe at halftime you're saying, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: if you can just kind of just re just flip
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  Speaker 1: everything you might can you get a stop on the
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  Speaker 1: start of the second half drive and get the ball
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  Speaker 1: and then maybe make a game. The Knights took the
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  Speaker 1: ball down, scored on their opening drive to start the
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  Speaker 1: third quarter. Then you had a scoop and score, and
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  Speaker 1: at that point you could have loaded the bus and
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  Speaker 1: proceeded home. UCF outscores West Virginia thirty one to six
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  Speaker 1: in the second half, wins at forty five thirteen. A
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  Speaker 1: just massive gut punch for everyone, players, coaches, fans, everyone
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  Speaker 1: involved in the program. This was the game after you
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  Speaker 1: had your bye week. This was UCF's fifth game in
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  Speaker 1: a row, so situationally, you were going like, hey, these
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  Speaker 1: guys got to be banged. These guys got to be tired.
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  Speaker 1: They lost Cam Fancher, who had started the previous week
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  Speaker 1: against Cincinnati. Tavin Jackson, he's got a tender, non throwing shoulder.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe he is non throwing and maybe he maybe he,
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  Speaker 1: you know, won't be great. Well, he completed sixty eight
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  Speaker 1: percent of his passes. He's got a quarterback rating a
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  Speaker 1: one forty nine. He throws for two seventy seven, two touchdowns,
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  Speaker 1: and then you've got Jaden Nixon goes for one sixteen. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: he flew on his score. Mom was a track and
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  Speaker 1: field performer at Oklahoma State. Dad played football and ran
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  Speaker 1: track at Oklahoma State, and the Jeans did transfer. He's scadaddled. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, one thing I learned there. Didn't know
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  Speaker 1: this the last time I was there at that stadium.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty amazing, pretty incredible. Actually, so at the fifty yard
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  Speaker 1: line where they placed the stadium at the fifty yard line,
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  Speaker 1: if you just go straight out of the stadium, straight
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  Speaker 1: in line with the launch pad at Cape Canaveral.
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  Speaker 2: Really that's nice little nugget.
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  Speaker 1: And on three occasions I was talking to Mark Daniels.
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  Speaker 1: They're played by plannouncer. They've had rockets launched during games.
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  Speaker 1: Was SpaceX rocket acts right? What he says they had
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  Speaker 1: just had one Thursday. They just put one up on Thursday.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty well, it's it's absolutely wild. They lined it perfectly
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  Speaker 1: up with the launch pad.
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  Speaker 2: So hence why they embraced that theme. They had those
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  Speaker 2: alternate uniforms that follow that path.
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  Speaker 1: Correct, So they launched on us yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: They had some explosives.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, they did five hundred and seventy eight total
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  Speaker 1: yards for them, two ten for West Virginia, historically low
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  Speaker 1: passing seventy nine passing yards for the Mountaineers eleven of
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  Speaker 1: twenty eight. That's a thirty nine percent completion. And I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to get into spreads on stats, but there's
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  Speaker 1: just some numbers that hit you square dam in the face.
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  Speaker 1: And now you are just into a major, major regroup
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  Speaker 1: mode here in no time to think about it, because
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  Speaker 1: you've got the Frogs of TCU coming in. They just
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  Speaker 1: slapped Baylor. It's homecoming and you still have a trip
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  Speaker 1: to Arizona State. You had a trip to Houston. You
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  Speaker 1: got the Texas text here, throw in the Colorados. It's
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  Speaker 1: for real. Rich Rodriguez at halftime said we stink. We
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  Speaker 1: stunk at the first we stunk in the first half.
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  Speaker 1: No one would disagree. And then he did say in
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  Speaker 1: his postgame press conference low point, and that's that's exactly
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  Speaker 1: what I said during the broadcast. I said, this is
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  Speaker 1: this is the rock bottom low point right now, time
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  Speaker 1: down for Hoppies. Obvious observations brought to us by no one.
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  Speaker 3: The Mountaineers and the officiating chain gang had a bad
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  Speaker 3: day yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: Those poor buddies, Those poor buddies. I had to.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway, Tony, there's a saying the truth will set you free,
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  Speaker 3: but first you're going to be miserable. So the truth
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  Speaker 3: is that this team, if it continues the way it
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  Speaker 3: is continuing, is incapable of winning any remaining games, or
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  Speaker 3: based on how they played yesterday in the last couple
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  Speaker 3: of games, particularly yesterday, incapable of being competitive in future games.
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  Speaker 3: Now that's a painful truth, and you can accept it
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  Speaker 3: and have no expectations for the rest of the season,
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  Speaker 3: or you can be in denial, which will just lead
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  Speaker 3: to I think even more pain and more disappointment. I
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  Speaker 3: worked up optimism, as you know, during the off week.
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  Speaker 3: I think Brad was kind of quiet way trying to
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  Speaker 3: temper me. But I worked up optimism. I thought, off week,
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  Speaker 3: there's some things working in your favor here. You got
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  Speaker 3: time to get healthy, you got time.
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  Speaker 1: To get ready.
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  Speaker 3: And the most disappointing thing and I was wrong. I
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  Speaker 3: was completely wrong about that. The most disappointing thing is
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  Speaker 3: they got worse. They got worse after the off week.
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  Speaker 3: And look, in defense of these quarters, you talked about
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  Speaker 3: the passing yards. Army had thirty seven percent more passing
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  Speaker 3: yards yesterday in West Virginia on seven pass completions.
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  Speaker 1: Army.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Now, in fairness to these quarterbacks, I do want
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  Speaker 3: to mount a little bit of a defense. They're young guys,
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  Speaker 3: they haven't played very much. Fox and Wilkins, they haven't
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  Speaker 3: played very much at all, and they're getting zero help.
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  Speaker 3: They're getting no help in any aspect of that offense.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe Gallagher a little bit, but not getting any help,
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  Speaker 3: certainly not from the offensive line and not from the defense.
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  Speaker 3: So what is the hope. Well, coach Rich Rodriguez, this
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  Speaker 3: is his quote. We didn't do anything well. We looked slow,
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  Speaker 3: out of position, miss tackles, didn't block, had two olding
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  Speaker 3: penalties on drawplays that should never happen, Poorly coached, poorly executed,
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  Speaker 3: poorly played, poortly everything. I'm hoping this is the bottom.
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  Speaker 3: I'm hoping this is the bottom. So your hope is
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  Speaker 3: you're not hoping realistically for a win or to because
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  Speaker 3: you're hoping this is as bad as against. You're hoping
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't get worse. And Tony, as always, I listened
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  Speaker 3: to you and watched the game. It is hard to watch,
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  Speaker 3: it's hard to listen to because and I was looking
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  Speaker 3: as I was watching a game yesterday and listening to you,
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  Speaker 3: I was searching for new words to describe what was
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  Speaker 3: going on for the offense. I came up with futile.
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  Speaker 3: Futile meaning incapable of producing meaningful results.
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  Speaker 1: You watch that.
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  Speaker 3: Offense and you just say they are incapable of producing results, futility, defense, permeable, porous,
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  Speaker 3: almost six hundred yards given up overall. I came up
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  Speaker 3: with dispiriting. It breaks your spirit to watch this team
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  Speaker 3: and listen to and listen to it on your radio.
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  Speaker 3: It is dispiriting and fan being a fan of so
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  Speaker 3: much about spirit, and this just SAPs your spirit, it
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  Speaker 3: SAPs your soul. And so where's this team fit Historically?
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  Speaker 3: The two thousand and one team was three and eight,
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  Speaker 3: the seventy eight team was two and nine, and this
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  Speaker 3: team is on course to be two and ten. So
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  Speaker 3: this team at this juncture is headed toward the worst
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  Speaker 3: record of the modern era, the modern era, I think
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  Speaker 3: from seventies on I called the modern era. So based
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  Speaker 3: on what this team has done this season and what
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  Speaker 3: you've seen the last couple of games, you can really
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  Speaker 3: have you should have zero expectations going forward for the
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  Speaker 3: remainder of this season. And that is the truth. And
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  Speaker 3: that makes you miserable, But that's the truth.
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  Speaker 1: Oh it's I think you're spot on. I think you're
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  Speaker 1: spot on. Yep, spot on. I mean i'd love to
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  Speaker 1: I'd love to say that the truth is somewhere in
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  Speaker 1: the middle. It's not as bad or it's not as good, right,
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  Speaker 1: we always say it's somewhere in the middle. These I
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  Speaker 1: did wonder. I did wonder last night after the game
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  Speaker 1: was over, if you had all of the players you
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  Speaker 1: thought you were going to have, Jaden Bray, Nico Marciol
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  Speaker 1: Ti Edwards Jaheim White if you had, I was just wondered, like,
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  Speaker 1: what would that game have been if you went in
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  Speaker 1: there with your fight. I don't know if you win,
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  Speaker 1: but it would be significantly different. You're playing with quarterbacks
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  Speaker 1: that started the year three four on your depth chart.
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  Speaker 1: You're starting running backs that were three to four on
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  Speaker 1: your depth chart. Bray, huge loss because now everything can
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  Speaker 1: go to Cam Vaughan as far as coverage goes, So
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  Speaker 1: as the saying goes, you got to do it with
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  Speaker 1: what you have and no one's going to feel sorry
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  Speaker 1: for you.
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  Speaker 2: Hoppy covered most everything there. It's just, you know, guys,
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  Speaker 2: it is it is hard to watch. Offensively becomes so
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  Speaker 2: one dimensional. And if you're going to be one dimensional,
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  Speaker 2: you better be elite at that one dimension. And we've
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  Speaker 2: seen West Virginia when it was rolling do that right.
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  Speaker 2: You didn't have to be concerned about the passing. You
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  Speaker 2: knew you were going to West Ndam was gonna run it,
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  Speaker 2: but you couldn't stop the run. And this is really tough.
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  Speaker 2: You just that's all you're able to do. You just
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  Speaker 2: your passing game has totally gone away. And part of
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  Speaker 2: that's Tony what you said there is some injury issues
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  Speaker 2: there to take into account, but you can't protect long
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  Speaker 2: enough to throw it. You don't have enough receivers to
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  Speaker 2: create space. There's not getting any space. Hop the quarterbacks
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  Speaker 2: are young and struggling to recognize defense and find guys open,
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  Speaker 2: and they're they're throwing into traffic. Even when they are throwing,
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  Speaker 2: there's just there's no space to operate. And then defensively, guys,
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  Speaker 2: I continued just to be really surprised at where this
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  Speaker 2: defense is gone. Now you got a little life in
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  Speaker 2: the second quarter there As you mentioned, you thought, okay,
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  Speaker 2: defense held them to no points. Right there, you missed
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  Speaker 2: that field goal that could have made it fourteen to ten.
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  Speaker 2: Would that have mattered? Ultimately, it didn't look like it
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  Speaker 2: did because of what they did in the second half.
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  Speaker 2: But this defense at again and showed you some promise
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  Speaker 2: against Pitt. Never mind what you did in the other
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  Speaker 2: two games, set those aside, but at least against Pitt,
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  Speaker 2: who's a competent offense. To then give up forty in
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  Speaker 2: every game since and to the UCF team, all due
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  Speaker 2: respect to them. And I'll get to some of the numbers.
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  Speaker 2: Some of the stuff we talked about Thursday was absolutely
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  Speaker 2: what happened to you. But my gosh, to just again
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  Speaker 2: have guys running wide open through the secondary there, to
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  Speaker 2: not be able to get any pressure again for what
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  Speaker 2: is now the fourth straight week in Big Tell play.
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  Speaker 2: Quarterback not uncomfortable for any moment, just could do whatever
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  Speaker 2: started what fifteen of twenty back there, it.
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  Speaker 1: Was like seven on seven for him. Yeah, did not
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  Speaker 1: need to wash his uniform, never got touched.
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  Speaker 2: And that has just been a surprise to me. I
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  Speaker 2: did not think that was the case. I knew we
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  Speaker 2: weren't looking hoppy at the ninety six defense, but I
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  Speaker 2: thought it was a defense that was going to keep
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  Speaker 2: you around in some games at least, and it just
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  Speaker 2: hasn't been the case. So just struggling on obviously both
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  Speaker 2: sides of the ball, just tremendously. This has been a
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  Speaker 2: tough watch, no doubt.
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  Speaker 1: So Fred Perry out with an injury, ham and Russell,
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: your nose guard out with an injury again in a
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  Speaker 1: group and on a group that can't afford no losses, right,
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  Speaker 1: you're taking guys away like and.
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  Speaker 3: You're losing your best players.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah you can't. I mean you can't. There's no margin
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  Speaker 1: for air. And then you take those guys out, and
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  Speaker 1: what their status is remains to be seen, but guys
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  Speaker 1: have been obviously getting whacked around. So yeah, this is it, man.
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  Speaker 1: This is like tough, tough, and you just got to
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  Speaker 1: you got to endure this. And we'll get into the
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  Speaker 1: textual healing stuff coming up in a little bit, but
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  Speaker 1: just jump ahead five steps and call the season right
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  Speaker 1: now and start to talk about recruiting. This is perhaps
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  Speaker 1: the most important evaluation and recruiting cycle that we could
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  Speaker 1: ever think of, because you're gonna get one chance to
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  Speaker 1: fill it up here, and if you don't hit correctly,
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  Speaker 1: you won't be a whole lot different going forward. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We've said this a couple times, and I think that's
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  Speaker 2: the the double disappointment on top of the disappointment of
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  Speaker 2: not getting wins as you would at least like to
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  Speaker 2: see moving forward. Whatever that number is, if that's five,
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  Speaker 2: if it's ten, if it's eleven, guys that you can
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  Speaker 2: look at and say, okay, okay, but next year, at
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  Speaker 2: least they have another year of experience. You add some
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  Speaker 2: people to it. That's what you're searching for that that's
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  Speaker 2: been hard to find at this point too. You need
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  Speaker 2: some guys that you hope are returning that can at
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  Speaker 2: least stand out here a little bit. And that's that's
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  Speaker 2: been few and far between at this point.
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  Speaker 3: You know when your best offensive player is Oliver Straw,
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  Speaker 3: you got a problem our guy all.
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  Speaker 2: He did have a nice game.
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  Speaker 1: Well he thought it was Australian rules.
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  Speaker 3: It was great that he took the ball.
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  Speaker 2: Fake punt was great, great decision. Yeah, I had a
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  Speaker 2: long ast sixty one. Put a couple down there, one
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  Speaker 2: inside the five.
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  Speaker 1: Did a nice job.
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  Speaker 3: You put inside the five and they drove ninety eight.
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  Speaker 2: Now, OLLI would agree with us. I mean, when we're
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: talking about Ali is the bright spot in the punter,
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  Speaker 2: then it's probably not been a very good day. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I talked he would understand that.
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  Speaker 1: I had a postgame meeting with his dad and with
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  Speaker 1: Oliver before we got onto the bus. A little surprised
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  Speaker 1: as dad was there.
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  Speaker 3: Why were you surprised? He's a global, well resident.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I was told right that they were going back
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  Speaker 1: last time we had seen them, they were going to
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  Speaker 1: go back to Australia. Right back for him. I mean
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  Speaker 1: he's well, I mean he's got a house in Australia.
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  Speaker 1: So I see him there. I said, what are you
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  Speaker 1: doing here? And he said, he said, well, he said,
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  Speaker 1: I got a great flight to Canada. I said, wait
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: a second, I said, where were you? He said, I
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  Speaker 1: was in Sweden. He said, I was in Sweden. But
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  Speaker 2: See the game, as you do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and like this is how good of a guy
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  Speaker 1: he is, Like he was bummed out. Oliver punted so much,
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  Speaker 1: like he literally goes like good day for me. Is
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  Speaker 1: like he doesn't have to go out there because that
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  Speaker 1: means the offense is gone.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I told Oliver, I said, you lettered in the in
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  Speaker 1: this game by how many punchs you had? So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that was I mean he said to say, hello, Anthony,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: did he's a great international spy.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not an international spy.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Well, you don't know that. I don't know about that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know about that. The fact that he says
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  Speaker 1: he's in the greeting card business.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: You know, totally totally a lie.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: So I don't think I don't think you can go
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: whatever you want on that. Did you, Tony? How was
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: your experience?
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: And you have to call the game and you do
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: a tremendous job of of of being a pro but
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: also letting your emotions be evident to a degree. Yeah,
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: and that third quarter was hard.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Man, it's rough, man, you're going to that second half.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: I mean you said, Okay, let's see you're hanging around. Yeah,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: you're hanging around just kind of see. Can we ugly
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: this thing up and get us get an interception, get something.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Defense looks like it's stabilized.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Can you get something going? Yeah, it's very very difficult, obviously.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, we're the reality of it is, you know,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: we're not used to this, and.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: Uh, yeah it feels weird, doesn't it?
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it does. This is not us and it'll get
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: better because, to be quite honest with you, I don't
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: think you get much worse, so it'll get better.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: It right, Well, but I agree, but you have to
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: go back to what Rich Rudson, he's the coach. I
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: hope this is the bottom. No, I mean, you can't
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: get worse. You can't.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think you can get worse. Okay, just completely.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: You just complete less than forty percent of your passes.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Well, and guys, I mean that was a game that
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: you could look across the sideline. All due respect to UCF,
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: but they're also in year one with Scott Frost and
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: trying to rebuild. That is one where you did look
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: across after a bye week and say, okay, I mean
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: this is reasonable to expect we're in this game with
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: a chance to win it. I know it was on
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: the road, but the fact that it looked like that,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: I think that's what what was such such a gut punch.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: You know what stood out to me is in this
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: now surprise because of where they're based. I mean, their
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: skill players, their receivers, they have dudes like I watched
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: their tight ends warm up without their gear on, So
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: in pregame when they just have like you know, before
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: they put their gear on. I mean, I'm they're they're human,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: they're they're large, athletic human beings, and their receivers. They
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: just they have much better skill right now than West
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Virginia does. They're faster, they're more athletic.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: The speed is the thing that's jumped out to me,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: and rich has said that from the beginning, that the
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: need to get faster. That's going to be a massive
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: priority in the offseason. That was really evident yesterday.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: I thought, and you saw Brad when early on when
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: a fox started, and they know West Virginia knows you
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: can't protect the passer, so they were rolling them out.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: But where it was what was UCFA had guys, it's
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: like up in this grill right away.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: All right, let's do this.
• 20:05
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• 20:08
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• 20:09
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• 20:12
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• 20:15
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• 20:18
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• 20:20
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• 20:59
  Speaker 2: This will just be one of them, boys. You I
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: feel like I'm saying this more and more this year.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: But you don't need what I'm about to tell you
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: to know what happened during that game. This is one
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: of those games where the numbers will just illustrate what
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: you saw happen yesterday. But let's, as we always do,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: let's try and revisit what we talked about Thursday or Wednesday,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: whenever the heck we did the previous show going into
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: this game. One of the first things we talked about,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Hoppy was the concern with UCF speed and guys on
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: the outside and explosive plays. You felt like if you
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: could make them drive the field as they did against Cincinnati.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: They had had a tendency all year to shoot themselves
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: in the foot. Just don't give up explosives. They gave
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: up explosives. That was a good theory. It did not
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: come to fruition. This is this was a little bit
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: of a wow. Guys.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Even if you were.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Watching and listening to the game, UCF had four hundred
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: and eighteen yards of offense on fifteen big plays. What
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: stat broadcast constitutes is big plays passes of fifteen yards
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: or more, runs of ten.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Yards or more.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Say that again, for eighteen just off big plays fifteen
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: that's that is breathtaking. To use your word that you
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: use occasionally, for eighteen on fifteen big plays, thirty almost
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: thirty yards a big play there. That's that's the yards
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: twenty yard average. And we had talked. I went through
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: it on Thursday. Some of their ranks in plays of
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: seventy yards or more, fifty yards and more forty I mean,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: that's that's how they've had success. And hoped Conversely, I thought,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: I thought these numbers showed exactly where this game was
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: and the problems that West Virginia's had what I just
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: said about having to drive the field or trying to
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: drive the field and eventually there's a mistake that's made.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: That's been West Virginia's problem. The explosives haven't been there
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: and they haven't shown an ability to be able to
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: draw it down. Watch to walk down the field. West
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Virginia had eighty one yards derived from six big plays
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: four eighteen to eighty one just off explosives. So right there,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know that you need to say anything else.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: If I just told you that this morning, you would
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: have said, that's probably a convincing UCF win. So that
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: was one of those It was a kind of a wow.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: And then it backs up this wow as much as
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: I watched that game and just thought, defensively, man, what
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: is going on? And the big plays lead you to
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: think that way, right when you just see guys running
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: in space and running by you and you feel like
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: the defense isn't doing anything. But how about this, guys,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: if you take the explosives out of the game, which
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: you can't, I get it. UCF had a negative EPA
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: per play, a negative expected points added, so the bulk
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: of that game was decided simply on their explosive plays.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: When they had to run every other play, it wasn't
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: always successful them. In fact, it was more often than
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: not a negative expected points added on that play. So
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: that was one explosive plays game set match. Just off
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: that category. Keep going to a couple more of these.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: We talked about. Third down would likely be a key
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: because neither team had been good in that situation. Well,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: both lived up to their reputation. Either were good. West
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Virginia just three of seventeen on third down eighteen percent.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: The Mountaineers gained just an average of one point nine
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: yards per play on third down, just clearly not good enough.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: UCF wasn't much better five of sixteen thirty one percent.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: They did convert those two fourth downs into touchdowns, though,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: so end of drive or potential end of drive plays
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: they were a little bit better. Talked about the matchup
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: between UCF's rush defense in West Virginia's rush offense. UCF's
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: numbers on paper defensively looked really good. Their past defense
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: on payper Hopey had been one of the best in
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: the country. Their rush defensive numbers were not great, one
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: of the bottom thirty teams when it came to EPA
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: per rush, and you thought, all right, if there's a
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: game where West Virginia can theoretically run the football here,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: maybe get something going on the ground. It might be
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: this game. West Virginia couldn't make that hold up just
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty one total rush yards. But believe
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: it or not, here's another one of those interesting numbers.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: West Virginia did have a positive expected points added per
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: rush in the game. Wasn't for much, but it was positive.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: But what didn't you have hop.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: Didn't have, Well, you can't make third downs, you can't
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: complete a drive.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: And you didn't have any explosive plays that would have
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: been the way to break through that, to bust off
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: a couple big ones, and you just couldn't do it.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Shows you the power of explosive plays. UCF had a
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: negative EPA per rush and yet put those numbers on
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: top of you some other other just overall numbers that
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: jumped out. I haven't had time to go back and
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: look at this, but I may. West Virginia would just
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: two point seven yards per play. That's also breathtakingly low.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Two point seven yards per play. Guys to put in context,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: usc leads the country at seven point eight nine yards
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: per play. UMass is dead last in the country at
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: three point nine to eight. West Stream is a full
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: yard behind what's the lowest in the country. For the season,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: just did not did not have any plays to move
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: the ball down the field.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: You mentioned.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Passing game was non existent. Just seventy eight yards. Seven sacks.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Some of those may have been counted as a sack,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: but maybe it was going to be a quarterback, drawers,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: tackle behind lines, scrummers, but doesn't matter much. Seven sacks,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: seventy eight yards passing. Another eye popping number that available
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: yards that we've talked about each week. UCF gained a
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: big number again, sixty five percent of the available yards.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: The Knights were able to chew up. To give you
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: some perspective on that, as we've talked this season, Kansas
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: was fifty one percent. You taught eighty eight percent of
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: the yards, which is one of the most we've seen
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: in the last fifteen years or so. For West Virginia,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: by you had sixty seven percent of the yards, So
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: that continues to be a bad trend. West Virginia averaged
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: just twenty yards per drive, just twenty yards each time
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: it had the ball, So that was difficult. All right.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: A couple last things then we'll move on from this. Again,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: trying to just drill down in there, and this isn't
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: even trying to find things to be positive, but just
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: I found interesting things. Number wise. I know it's hard
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: to believe given the score and how it looked, but
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: West Virginia actually had a better rushing success rate than
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: UCF did. More of their rush plays were deemed successful
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: than what UCF had. Now, neither were good, they were
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: both below the average number below average, but West Virginia
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: did have some successful rush plays based.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: On that number.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: The difference in this one, I'll just say it again,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: explosives really got that game out of control. Some grades
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: real quick. Best offensive grades. Jacob Barrick had the best
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: offensive grade. Malik Agbo second best offensive grade in there,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: so it's kind of interesting to see him up There's
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: some of those came on special teams, I realized, but
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Agbo up there. Defensively, Chambers, Walker, Eddie Kelly. Your top three.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: The first two Chambers and Walker really based off their
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: coverage grades. Especially Chambers had an elite coverage grade in
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: this one. He didn't have a tackle, he had one assist.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: So most of those grades coming off the coverage. There's
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: some numbers. Yeah, those are numbers. Those are numbers that
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: yards per play, guys, Yeah, that yards per play. That's rough. Again,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: backs up what you've seen, just the inability to be
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: explosive and just one dimensional ucfs able to walk. There
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: were times they had all eleven guys within eight nine
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: yards of the line of scrimmage. There's just no fear
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: that you can beat anybody downfield and complete some passes.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: So it doesn't create any space in there. Really tough
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: sledding right.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Now, and no time to weep TCU on Saturday night,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: six o'clock. And as I said earlier on, they're they're
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: a team that when they're cooking, cooking, they're a good team.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: They're good team. They got dudes, good quarterback, good quarterback,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: you got guys that can catch the ball. They hate
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: they hate Baylor, you know that. So yesterday for them
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: was a huge, huge deal. They got delay in.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: The fourth quarter, Hoover and their pass offense concerns you
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: a little bit. Again, all due respect to Jackson, but
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: UCF was struggling to find a quarterback, and they just
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: put three twenty three sixty five completion percentage on you.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: In the air, Josh Hoover's going to come in and
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: absolutely look to blow you up deep. One of the
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: best deep ball throwers in the country.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what's disappointing about yesterday and Tavian Jackson. The
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: word inside the UCF camp is like, he does not
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: like to get hit, and once he gets hit, he's
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: not the same dude. But you never really were able
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: to get him late in the game, got him like
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: once pretty good, but other than that, I mean, he
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: had unbelievable protection. He set his feet, stroked the ball
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: down the field. You were just unable to make him uncomfortable. Yeah,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: you've been able to They had, you.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Know, his hot start right gave him a lot of
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: confidence early. The one big hit I remember at Kerricho
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: in the second quarter, delivered one. It led to a
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: three and out. You got the ball back. But outside
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: of that, he basically did what he wanted back.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: Tony Dwight was saying on the broadcast with Scottie Fox,
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: you know again a young guy, true freshman, and you're
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: worried about You're worried you're not going to get any protection,
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: and he's not getting time to get his feet set,
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: Dwight said, over and over. So he's not you know,
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: he's not doing those fundamentals because he's probably spooked that
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: he's not going to be protected.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Agreed, Yeah, I agree, I agree. Just disappointed all the
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: way around. That's the understand spiritual the deal, just spiriting. However,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: But however, what on a bright note, the basketball. There's basketball.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: We'll talk about that in a second, talk about that. Yeah,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: I did a little investigation on that, investigative reporting. Yeah,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: the same enforcement agency that can come at you for
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: talking about secret scrimmages, same group of people that will
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: arrest you inside your home for cutting off your pillow tags,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: same group, and they're busier in hell with pillow tag
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Chances are not going to get arrested for the same group,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: same people, the same people. So you're going, you're going, yeah.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: You're gonna throw caution to the wind and talk about
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: the super secret scrimmage.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: And if needed, and if we are and if we
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: are arrested for it, you know where we'll go. Jan
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Dill's attorneys at law, they won't take no for an
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: answer In all seriousness. I don't know if they've ever
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: done a secret scrimmage case, but we do know that
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: each and every day they focus in on helping folks
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: get veterans benefits and social Security claims. They have the
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: folks in office that do it on a day to
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: day basis. It is quite honestly a difficult journey when
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: you're dealing with the federal government and making these claims.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: So if you are someone you know needs help filing
• 31:44
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• 31:49
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• 31:57
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• 32:00
  Speaker 1: which is exactly what you need.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Mister, your honor, mister Creedy was doing his job. He
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: was providing information to the public. He was not willing
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: to see that information kept secret. Yes, these charges must
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: be dismissed immediately.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: And if I do get called into court on talking
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: about the secret scrimmage, I'm going to pay off the
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: judge by giving him or her a tutor's biscuit. Why
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: not tutor's biscuits? You know there's seventy locations across the
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: most of them are here in West Virginia. You got
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: a few outside of the state, but thousands of West
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Virginians and others start their day the homemade way with
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: a Tutor's biscuit. But there's so much more than biscuits.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: That sauce that they debuted this fall has been off
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: the chart success. The saracha, just like bingo, the honey seracha,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: the Carolina Gold, the sweet Tariokei, or just the original
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: three awesome flavors. Get yourself real, real good food. Someone
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: was just talking to me the other day. I didn't
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: think they could eat one Tutors. So what are you
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: talking about? I said, I don't know, man, that's a
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: big thing. It is big. It's a big thing. But
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: why don't you give it a try to see if
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: you can do one? Brad and I say, in our
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: peak level of food, we could do two. We'll see,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: all right. So the Mountaineer basketballers, sh this is just
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: among the three of us and you, the listener. The
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: University of Maryland may have come to Morgantown on Saturday.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: They may have gone onto the floor at the coliseum.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Perhaps it is correct to assume that the Mountaineer basketball
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: team was also on the floor at the same time.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Perhaps it is true, Hoppy, that three officials that work
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: in the Big Twelve Conference and for that matter, the
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Big Ten were also on the floor, and perhaps someone
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: brought out a ball.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Might have been an extra official in the building.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Too, Perhaps someone may have brought it over and oh
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: because they were training.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know if there was or wasn't.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, And so perhaps they ran up and down the
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: floor and kept point totals. Is that fair to say?
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: I think?
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: All right, So it's out there, there's reporting on it.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: There is reporting on that, and it seems as though
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: like a year ago when West Virginia went in and
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: beat the Wake Forests, that yesterday West Virginia looked really
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: good and had a positive result against the Terra pins
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: from the universe. Did you used to work in Maryland?
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: It's spend about a a little over a year, a
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: little over a year there.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: What can you I was in Orlando. Were you in
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Morgantown yesterday? Yeah?
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: I was okay, good, A good day, I say, full day. Really,
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: a lot of things going on. We're near the coliseum
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: at different times throughout the day. Yeah, there's a lot
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: of things. A lot of things happened. I would say
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: it went pretty well. If you're a Mountaineer fan, you
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: should be cautiously optimistic about basketball season, given you have
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: an entirely new roster, no minutes, no points returning, no
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: rebounds returning. If you were happened to play another power
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: for team, maybe in your first game or scrimmage session
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: against a team with different color jerseys, you would probably
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: like it to turn out maybe how yesterday did.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: I would think for the coaching staff, because you know,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: you can practice as much as you can practice when
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: they've been doing it literally since June, that you just
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: don't know until you go up against somebody else. Like
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: the last time this team of West Virginia really played
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: against someone else was the TBT team back in the summer.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: They may have had a little open gym when TBT
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: was getting ready to play, so you got a little bit.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: But that's the only other time that they've played someone
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: that wasn't themselves.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: You know what, in all seriousness, what it does show
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: you is the way basketball season is able to lay
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: itself out. And some of that's just the number of
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: games you can play hoppy. This really is a good
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: way to do it. This really is like you've been
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: practicing for a long time. You've heard Ross talk about it.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: You needed to play against another team. Maryland would have
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: said the same thing to you. They're an entirely new
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: roster in Buzz Williams first year, so they're bringing their
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: guys in. They had a guy out that will make
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: a difference to their team. But the ability to have
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: a game like that, an exhibition like that where you
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: can just play in it and you know, it was
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: a scrimmage like. It was not a stop and start
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: and hold on. We're going to do this situationally er. Okay,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: you guys go into zone for a little bit. We're
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: gonna work on press. It was just it was a game.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: It was game like as much game like as you
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: can be with no crowd in there. It just allow.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: It's great.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Now you have another exhibition coming for West Virginia, then
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: you start the season with some games that you feel
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: good about. It just lays itself out so much better
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: than what football. The instant pression cooker you have to
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: jump into a CAUs.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, and what an advantage that is for coaches because
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: they can now see I mean they can see things
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: in practice, but not until they play another team in
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: a game like situation do they say, Okay, now things are.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Clearer, exactly right, And either way this would have went
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: if you would have gotten bodied on the glass and
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: not done as well as you wanted to. And listen,
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: there's a teaching moments coming out of that scrimmageyesterday. But
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing that comes out of there,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: I'll give you a couple of things. I think if
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: you're Ross Hodge, and when he talks about it, he'll
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: say this defensively, you've got some work to do, but
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: you can see that that that is going to work.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: You've got some guys, including a Jasper Floyd, that as advertised,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: really understands this offensive system and how to control pace
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: and can distribute and oh, by the way, this is
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: a truism. When guys make shots, it seems to make
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: the offense look a little better. And you've got a
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: couple dudes, You've got multiple guys that can make shots.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: You've got a couple dudes that are absolute snipers. Absolute snipers.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: That doesn't mean they're going to go out and hit
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: double digit threes every game. But they're certainly capable of
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: doing that.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Are you're saying that someone hit double digit threes last yesterday?
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: That was a pretty good game if you hit it.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: If you had a game that hit double digit threes,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: that'd be pretty good, wouldn't it you Someone could hit
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: ten threes in one game.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's some really good shooters, and West Virginia
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: has one happened to lead the country in threes made
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: last so I don't know that it would surprise anybody
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: ten threes in the game went out and had a
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: really good game.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: You can talk about numbers that's out there on social media,
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: you know, and Tony's not worried about going to jail.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: You can talk about the numbers. You can talk truly,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Trily donc You can.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: You can mention the numbers and the players and the outcome.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Trily Donovan, who is an absolute must follow on social media.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: It's a hilarious account he is. He identifies as a
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: college hoops box score enthusiast and ubiquitous and a mysterious
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: burner account. He reported yesterday afternoon he had a lot
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: of finals from these scrimmages, and one of those included
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: West Virginia, and Donovan reported West Virginia beat Maryland ninety
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: five seventy three in a two to half conventional basketball game.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: That's truly Donovan. It's not Brad Howe. It's trillly Donovan,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: and truly, in my opinion, is gospel. So that's what
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: you're gonna go with. Maybe some other reports on various
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: social media account as well that a young man who
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: led the nation a year ago in three point makes
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: by the name of Honor Huff, may have dispersed ten
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: long distance jump shots from behind the three point line
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: and they scored goals, So that would be a big number.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: And there may be some reports out there that a
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: young man that was a three Guys guest named Tracin
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Eagle Staff who we had here in the studio. You
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: remember it was wonderful. I had some big games last year,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: had a fifty, had a forty, got a point game.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: He may have deposited a half a dozen three point
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: markers into the goal as well. And so to say
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: three point shooting was there yesterday was really really good. Now,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: as Brett said, it's never as good as it looks.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: It's never as bad as it looks. It's always in
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: the middle, and it's just a good start. That's all
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: this is is just okay, you got one done. Now.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: You know in a week we'll see wheeling here and
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: you're just going to try to get batter. Let me
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: also say this, if I may, I said something incorrectly
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: back at the start of football season when we played
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Robert Morris. We the question was what can we learn?
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: And I said, the one thing you can learn is
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: not necessarily if you're going to be good if you
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: beat Robert Morris, but you can learn that you're not
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: going to be bad. You did say that. I did
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: say that. You did say that.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Well, you weren't alone in saying.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: That, And in all high and in hindsight now and
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: going forward in the future, I think it doesn't mean anything.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: We we talk about all the turnover every year, Brad
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: and how it's you have to get used to new players.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: I think Anor Huff is going to be a crowd
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: favored for a lot of reasons.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: You don't have to go too far out on your
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: limb with that statement. That's he's fun to watch. He
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: is literally like a like a bolt of energy on
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: that on that floor, he is constant movement. He's constant motion.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: He's impossible to keep up with as quick a release
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: as I've maybe seen in the all time I've been
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: doing this. He can really just change the complexion of
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: that offense. If you have a six to one assist
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: a turnover ratio in a game, would that be good?
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: That's good? That's good?
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Is that good?
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: That's very good?
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: And he's got and he's got this personality that wasn't
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: honor I'm saying team wise, if you had a six
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: to one assist to turnover and he's got this big personality,
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: super smiley, yeah, he to like Yeah, and that's his team.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of guys. I think fans are going
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: to rally around and I think style of play wise defensively,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: how they get after it and guard you're going to
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: really like. And it was just, you know, to me,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: I think one of the things that Ross will talk
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: about was the ability the first time you go against
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: another team with no expectations, the way they executed and
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: handled their business tremendous. Yeah, tremendous.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: You've got You've got some older guys that have played
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: a lot of basketball. The question with this group is
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: will it be able to translate to the power four level.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, keep coming, because because I do think in looking
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: through some of these other Big twelve teams, I do
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: think the Big twelve is up up a tick this season.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: There's some talent. There's always talent. There's some real talent.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: There's gonna be some big boy teams coming in. So
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: you'll have your work cutout for you all years.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: You do every year.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: But I think this was a very good start for
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Ross Hodge and company. I think that staff and those
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: players should be happy with how the first data point
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: that's all this is hop first data point among thirty
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: five plus hun you're coming.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: And there's gonna be off nights. Who's gonna be bad nights?
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: And then what's the next question? How do they respond?
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: How does this team pull together?
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what. That three pointer just changes
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: the game.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: It does.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: You got guys like you can be stagnant offensively, they
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: can be all over you, and then all of a sudden,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: you hit a step back three or make that extra pass,
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: or you havn't to have been guarding West Virginia for
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: twenty seven seconds and you leave somebody opening the corner
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: for a three and you knock it down, just changes
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: the whole complexion on what's going on.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: But other teams know that too, and you know he's
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: not the biggest guy, So will they gang up on
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: him and somebody else has to you know, trace you
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: or somebody else has to make shoes.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think that's the beauty of this. I mean,
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure Maryland knew he led the country in
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: three pointers made. I'm pretty sure by the three minute
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: mark into the game they realized he could shoot it
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: time out. I think they saw very probably early Tony
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: would be my speculation there that Maryland understood Earl if
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: they got a shooter like you know you hear defense
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: shooter wherever he's gonna shoot her. I think they were
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: a could couldn't get to him hot just to put
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: it on. Because fast fast, when you milk clock offensively
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: and wait for pass up, maybe a good shot for
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: a great shot. It's hard to guard at this level
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: for that long, for a guy that seemingly never runs
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: out of energy. And so then fine, you want to
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: face guard him. We saw last year what you want
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: you want to face guard on our huff. Okay, that's fine.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: You still got another shooter and Tracon Chance Moore is
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: a guy that can knock down threes, Jasper was a
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: thirty seven, No is a guy more Zugasu from South
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Carolina can shoot, and oh, by the way, then you
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: got to decide if they're on the same side you
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: want to face guard out on our huff. Now you've
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: left seven foot oh Bioha down on the block by
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: himself with no help, with no ability to dig down.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: So when you're making shots like that with an elite shooter,
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: you're gonna have to make a choice. And that's all
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: you can ask offensively, right, make the defense make a
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: choice on what you want to do, and then try
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: and make them pay for that. You's gonna outscore people.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: This team can out score well. This team will still
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: be driven by defense. It'll still control clock offensively, it'll
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: still guard, and it'll win games defensively. But if you're
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: making shots, this is going to be a team that
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: is going to be really tough.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: To be this.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's outrageous to say there'll be a
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: team that has more talent, that maybe is better, has
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: a better record, that you're going to go in some
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: night and run them out of the gym because you
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: make a ton of shots on them, you do everything
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: else well, and there's gonna be a team walking out
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: of morgantowme going that, just what just happened to us?
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: How do we just give up seventeen threes in that
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: gay right?
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: For the record, Maryland is picked to be in the
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: bottom half of the Big Ten this coming season as
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Buzz Williams begins his rebuild there. They were really good
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: last year. They went twenty seven to nine. They went
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: fourteen and six in the Big Ten. But like I'm
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: just looking at one preview hoops HQ has him as
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: number thirteen in the ninety two team Big Ten Conference,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: just to kind of give it at West Virginia obviously
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: last week was picked eleventh in the pre season poll.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: And one other note, one other basketball note, if I may,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: you know who I ran into Friday night. Larry Harrison.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Really yeah, looks absolutely fantastic. He's really good, lives in
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: the Orlando area and is scouting for the New York
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Knickerbockers basketball club and Southern Scouts. So he's got South
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Carolina down, South Carolina, Georgia and Florida. But he's a
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: really good place, in a really good place. Good dear
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: told me. It was just recently at Javon Carter's wedding.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Got married a couple of weeks ago and is in
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: constant contact with the Deuce Duce McBride, and Deuce has
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: got a nice thing going there. Yeah, this is next contract,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: will be his third, because he's already got two, and
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: it'll be it'll be really it'll be very very nice.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: It'll be a very very nice. Yeah, he could buy
• 46:17
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• 46:20
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• 47:20
  Speaker 1: I mean this could be potentially.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: You know, free agent in twenty twenty seven.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and a lot of teams are interested in
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: his stars, yes, because he's that perfect glue guy that
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: everyone likes. So wish those guys the very best. All right,
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  Speaker 1: last week, we had the concert at Red Rocks in Colorado.
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  Speaker 1: Charles Wesley Godwin had played there before, but he headlined
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  Speaker 1: the show. It was his show. And back in the
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  Speaker 1: summer we auctioned off two tickets and a backstage meet
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  Speaker 1: and greet at the cancer event that we did down
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  Speaker 1: at Stonewall Jackson Resort, and we have some photographs of
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: what transpired this week. Look at that thing, like the
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: crowd was sold out, it's about ten thousand people. It
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: was a wonderful night. Guy in the bottom right corner
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: scary stare he had the c WG there up on
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  Speaker 1: one of the big rocks for Charles Wesley Godwin. And
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: there he is. There's Chuck on stage, rocking out with
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: the crowd. And that is your buddy right there.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: That's Doug Ernst and his wife Jennifer. They were the
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  Speaker 2: winners of the auction to fly out and see the
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: concert and do a meet and greet with Charles Wesley
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: from our events. So thanks to Doug and Jennifer. There
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: that was awesome. Look at that for that crowd.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: How'd you like to play there?
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: Hop, That's one of the great venues in America. Haven't
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: been there?
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Need to go there? Have you been there? I have not?
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: But Homeless Dave, Yeah, Homeless Dave was there. He went.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Homeless Dave went and he said it was a bucket
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: list item for him. And so got another photo there,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: flip that if you would so.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: And these guys you remember them from that was our
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: dinner's Brett on the far left there as you're looking
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: at the screen. Brett that was with us, with us
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: didn't want an ox nder from Stonewall two years ago,
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: came up with his group and we had dinner over
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: at the wine bar with Duca. That specially at dinner
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: we had and that was that wine bottle. What was
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: that called?
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: That was a like double secret magnum, like quad magnum.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know what university looked like.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Brett and his family out there as well, and I
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: think too, I talked to some folks. I think I
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: was the only house in my neighborhood that wasn't there.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: Everybody's there. Got a video of him doing country roads.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: How he closes his concerts. Awesome heat.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, there's homeless Dave. Yeah, homeless, all right,
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: homeless Dave with the Morgan family were there as well. Yeah, yeah,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: so everyone's there. Good to see those guys. They had
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: a great time. Good to see homeless homeless. We get
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: to shout out nice.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: He sent so many texts I thought I was there.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, homeless really kept his posted on that.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: I didn't get into Jake or Braden there. I had
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: to picture our friends Jim and Michelle Connection three or four.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: They they were there too, Parkersburg. They were there.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: That's all I say.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: We were the only ones that weren't there. Exactly everybody
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: was there.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: So let's jump into textual healing. Here's what I have
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: for you. The theme, as you may imagine, was consistent
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: with disappointment. By the way of all the text there
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: was not one curseword. Excellent. I thought that everyone's very
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: best behavior that no curse, no curse words. So I
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: could do this one of two ways. I could either
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: read the textual healing texts. But what I also did
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: is I took all of these and I have probably
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: like twelve pages of and I put it into chat
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: GPT and I said, I asked the chat GPT, I said,
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: let me see what I asked. I nicely asked, chat GPT,
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: could you please summarize the attached texts? And so it did,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: and it brought it back, and I think, to be
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: quite honest with you, it brought it back to in
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: a bunch of different categories, and we can kind of
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: riff off of these. Number one category is general mood
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: of the Mountaineer fan base, and chat GPT says the
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: collective tone is frustrated, fatigued, yet still loyal. Fans are
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: expressing deep disappointment in the team's performance, particularly after the
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: UCF game, but nearly all of the comments reflect continued
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: support for Rich Rodriguez in the program. The feeling is
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: that WVU football has hit a low point, but fans
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: remain emotionally invested and hopeful for eventual improvements.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: That I think that's an excellent summer. You know, Tony,
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: I have.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: Been a Mountaineer fan all my life.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: I was a fan.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: I was a student. No, I wasn't a student seventy yeah,
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: I was a student of seventy seven.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, so for seven, so that was bad.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: I was still a fan. After that two thousand and one.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: You know, I was still a fan after that. So
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: that's the nature of being a fan, isn't it.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: Next category from Chad GPT, they put a heart emoji
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: with a broken line through it. It's called frustration with
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: on field performance. Recurring phrases used by our listeners rock bottom,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: worst WVU team I've seen, downward spiral, zero improvement offense,
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: heavy criticism of the offensive line. Once said offensive line
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: is offensive, poor passing game, allergic to first downs, and
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: lack of creativity or rhythm. Next, defense, struggles in the
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: secondary tackling repeatedly noted playing hide and seek wide open receivers.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: The next point, and a lot of people hit on
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: this is the talent gap. Many noted glaring disparities and
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: athleticism compared to the SEC and Big Ten programs. Several
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: suggested WV looks like an FCS team. That's a that's
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: a below the belt hit. A few said that the
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: team appears to beginning worse each week despite having six
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: games in a bye to improve. Next category is called
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: questions about the program's direction. Some argue that this isn't
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: year zero but year one, suggesting the rebuild is deeper
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: than expected. Others question whether it's negative negative negative one.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, yeah, that's coot. And by the way, I'm
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: still not with you on this year zero, not buying
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: into that year one. All others question whether West Virginia
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: still belongs at the power for level given nil money
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: and recruiting disadvantages. The one thing that I will say
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: is like I do see there are occasionally some people
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: saying like we'll never be back into the level that
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: I totally emphatically don't agree with that at all. Simply
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: not and that's not true that West Virginia is going
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: to be way at the bottom when it comes to
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: nil money. The reality of it is West Virginia is
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: going to be near the top in the Big twelve
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: conference when it comes to the money that it has
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: available going to market. That's simply not true. West Virginia
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: is absolutely going to be in the top four or
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: five in the conference, and maybe even a little bit higher.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: They're going to have dollars to go spend. This thing's
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: going to come down to your evaluation. You cannot miss.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: You're going to have the opportunity to go get players.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: You better go get the right ones. Because you're going
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: to have the opportunity to get some I.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: Think that's the best point. I think that's the point
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: right there. I think you have resources to go out
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: and be competitive with this group. But that's why I
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: keep going back to how many guys can stick, how
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: many guys can stay here, because obviously the more guys
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: you have to go get hoppy, it dilutes the dollars
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: that you have. So take offensive lines just as one
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: position group. How many guys can return that will be
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: able to start the season for you next year. I
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: think that's a critical question going forward here. If that
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: numbers one, then that makes next year even more of
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: a challenge. If that number's three, okay, then you're in
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: a little better position. And I think that's what you're
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: looking for moving forward. How many new starters do you
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: have to go out and get and then you better
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: make sure you evaluate right. So, yeah, Tony, I agree
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: with that. I think this offseason and it should be better.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: You've got a general manager that's been in place now
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: for what will be almost what almost a year. You've
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: got an entire staff that's been in place that understands
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: exactly what it wants. It's a staff that's been looking
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: at its current team knowing, all right, here's exactly where
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: our holes are. So you would think that evaluation has
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: to get better. But that's critical moving forward absolutely.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: Next category is called nil and talent disparity. Several fans
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: compared West Virginia's resources to the SEC and Big Ten,
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: saying the gap and spending and recruiting power is insane.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: The nil shortfall was cited as a root cause of
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: West Virginia's inability to attract or retain high end talent,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: skepticism that a few extra million dollars will close the gap.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: I do think this that when they do this class
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: coming up, there are going to be three particular areas
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: of significant importance that they're going to put a lot
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: of money in offensive line, defensive line, and quarterback. You
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: have to take care of those items first, you know, Tony,
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: I suspect this coaching staff.
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: Knew, maybe not new, but had a reasonable idea what
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: they had because they didn't overspend, They did not overspend.
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: They held back again, as we have reported, four or
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: five million dollars.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: So there's some.
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: Hopefully some short term pain there for long term gain.
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: Because you didn't want to overpay for a level of
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: talent that you didn't think was commiserate with what you
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: could have paid.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: Agree, Yes, Yes, Bana, Georgia, Tech, Virginia, South Florida all
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: top twenty teams entering the weekend. None of them would
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: be considered blue bloods or with significant resources. Now there's
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: a ton in the top ten that you're not going
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: to be able to touch. Right, You're not gonna be
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: able touch Ohio State spending. But frankly, you've never touched
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: Ohio State's spending.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: Right. Talk to someone this week who's in the know
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: on this stuff, and they say, so much of what's
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: out there and is being accepted as truth is total bs.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: When it comes to the amount of dollars schools are spending,
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: oh really, they say, simply not the case, simply not
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: the case, and that West Virginia will be right there
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: with you know, the schools, that they'll be right there
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: and will not be at a disadvantage with what they're spending.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: Next category from chet GPT is called Humor, Heart and Humanity.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Steve from Virginia Beach wrote a comedic, emotional rant comparing
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: West Virginia football to group therapy disguised as a sport,
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: highlighting fan devotion despite repeated heartbreak. The most creative and
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: resonant resonant submission, Jonathan from Martinsburg, shared a heartfelt praise
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: for the show, saying it provides laughter and calm after
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: stressful nine to eleven dispatch hips. He's a nine to
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: eleven dispatcher, a reminder of the personal connection fans field.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: A few others close with optimism, optimism and perspective that
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: fandom means enduring the lows and appreciating the eventual highs,
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: the humorous frustration. We run like it's nineteen ninety three
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: and throw like we're allergic to first downs. Someone said
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: we're Rutgers. Where that get right game? Someone said it
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: takes time to be great. Rome wasn't built overnight. Longtime
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: fans had been a fan for seventy years. I'll still
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: be here. And one says there is philosophical acceptance and
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: said quote, embrace the roller coaster. Better times are ahead.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: The overall takeaway hoppy yes from Chad Gpt. Yes, fans
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: see this team in full construction, underman outmatched, still backed
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: by one of the most passionate fan bases. They are
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: disillusioned by the product, yet united by the loyalty and
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: belief that rich Rodriguez can eventually restore pride to the program.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: Well, part of loyalty to is not just loyalty to
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: a particular team or a particular coach. It's what bread.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: It's loyalty to Mountaineer sports. It's loyalty to the university
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: and the state. So there is a bigger picture when
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: you talk about loyalty.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: Why do you shut my mic off?
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: See what try and tell you each week? What he
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: always shuts my mic off? Blames it on me.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: Had a situation Friday night, excuse me? Situation? What you know?
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: You just say things in passing sometimes and some people
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: remember what you say. So earlier this season, they had
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: this event before a Mountaineer game. I think it was
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: before the first game of the year, and there were
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of Mountaineer fans there, and so this guy
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: comes up to me. I don't I have no recollection.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: I did not recollect this happening, but I was told
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: that I had said it. Long story short, he said, Hey,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: he's a great guy. I mean Mike kim Pouncy. Huge
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: Mountaineer fans live in Orlando. They come up the three
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: guys listeners, I mean passionate come to food. I don't remember,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: but apparently he said, hey, when you come down for
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: the game at UCF, you know, we're going to have
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: an event at my house and I'd love to have
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: you guys there. And apparently I said to him, yeah,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: that'll be great. Make sure the food doesn't suck. Well, geez,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: it sounds like something you said, of not denying it
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: at all. So on Friday night they had an event
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: Mountaineer Athletic Club. So I went to his house and
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: first thing Mike said to me was, Hey, I hope
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: the food's good because you told me the food better
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: not suck. Cheese was fantastic. I mean fantastic you would
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: have been.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: So he lined up, took your nonsense, put it right
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: on you.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah he did.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: He said you want to come.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: On in, Yeah, let's go. So had this bar food bar.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: They give you a bowl like a cere bowl. They
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: put mashed potatoes, mashed potatoes in it, and then if
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: you want, they'll give you some like a great mushroom
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: sauce laid on top of there. And then they had
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: flank steak they put the flank steak in they'd give
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: it to you. Then you had other items that you
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: could put on top, like some cheese, cheese, green onion,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: everything you want to put on top of that. And
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: then so a housed a bunch of food was fantastic, you.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: Know, if they put a little cherry tomato on top
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: whatever you needed. They called that a roast beef Sunday
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: or meat.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's what it was called, something like that.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: Couldn't have been better, Yeah, couldn't have been better. Tender
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: beautiful house. They just finished it two and a half
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: weeks ago, building it for three years. Really, Yeah, it
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: was awesome.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: It was nice.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: It was very nice. I'm glad.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: I'm glad you were welcome there despite your insult.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: Now he was good, dude. He I Also, we worked
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: out a deal where we're gonna go to it. He says,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: he's got the best steak place.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: In the world, in the world, We're.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: Gonna go there before we play basketball.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: You're in Oh, is that right?
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah? We got that taking care of.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: Looking forward to as well.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: All right, the fighting. Dan Stratford's got beat yeah last
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: night two to one, two to one. Yeah, that's okay.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: That's okay.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: It happens.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: It happens. And when you're on the road, that was
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: they had to go back and for the that's long travel.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: Two weeks in a row. You got to go back
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: and forth down south, and uh, regardless, they'll get back
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: and get going. All right. So next week West Virginia
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: TCU Saturday, six o'clock kick, and then next Sunday afternoon
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: it's four o'clock that basketball game starts. I believe that
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: sounds right again. Chris Richardson up there as the head coaches. Yeah,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: I'll bring the Cardinals down. What time's that game?
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: Four four?
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: I think you could make it. Yeah. Nice, nice to
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: have you there. I mean you've been at practice and everything.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: Now you and Ross are boys. I mean you've been.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: Nice to see you, Honor probably want to see you there.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: I didn't know that was public information. I've been to practice.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you were there.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: That was Can I say something about that?
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah? I was really.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: I thought it was fantastic and just so enjoyable to
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: be there, and like coach Hodge comes up, Hey, how
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: you doing, Glad? You came like really, and then I
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: watched him go over film Brad and just was really
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: impressed with his teaching. And then one other point. I
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: make one other point that at the very end of
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: the video session, there was a player coming off the
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: court in the video session and he gets a towel
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: from the manager and he high five is the manager,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: and coach Hodge stops the tape and says, listen, you
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: see that there's the manager. And he gave the manager's
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: name and said, he's handling your sweaty towels. This guy
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: is handling your sweaty towels for you. He's part of
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: this team. Everybody started high fiving him and yelling. I
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: really point being in Tony, You've told me other stories.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: I just think that I like the culture that he's
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: building around this program. I think it fits perfectly into
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: how we see ourselves as mountaineers.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's gonna be a lot of fun.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be a lot of fun. Brad and I
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: did kind of giggle because it didn't take you long
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: as practice was starting, you know, we were off on
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: the corner. Yeah, and Ross brings the team over across
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: the floor. Big monitor. They have a big TV monitor
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: there that they stop practice and watch tape as soon
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: as the play happens so they can see it better,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: and so Ross brings everybody goes, come on over here,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: let's take a look at this, and our Brad, you
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: want to do the play by play on that. So
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: our boy Hoppy like he he makes his way over
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: there and is basically stuck himself into the team huddle
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: so that he could find out what was going on.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: I would I wanted to hear. I wanted to see. Yeah,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: I understand that. To understand, I think I mean full
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: participation by you at practice. I thought it was pretty good.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: It was and watching his teaching moments.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: That was giddy.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: That was good.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: Loved it. Yeah, that was good. It should be a
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: fun basketball season. Looking forward to it. And in Sunday,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: as you said, a week from today.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: A week from today, by the way, do you hear
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: anything on the women against the Virginia Tech's.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that they were playing Virginia Tech. I got a
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: bunch of calls yesterday about West Virginia playing Virginia Tech
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: and it was the women.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting to see how that thing went for those guys,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: because I'm sure Mark's in the same kind of a
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: category where he wants to see what the thing looks
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: like once he puts the peace in good Virginia. Through
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: the years they've been with us. We're back again conventionally
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: on Thursday. Okay, right, conventionally we're gonna go Thursday. We'll
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: preview West Virginia and t c u Cole.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: Rush game that day.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: You're gonna wear those uniforms. Yeah, that's awesome. That's awesome.
• 1:06:58
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• 1:07:02
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