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- Deion: Peace and blessings. Welcome back to the volume shift. Jhalil: Today we talking about a fight that don't happen in the streets, social media or at work. Deion: It's the fight that happens in your own mind. Jhalil: The battle between who you are, who you were, and who you trying to become. Deion: For a lot of black men, the biggest opponent isn't another man. Jhalil: ourselves. Deion: I'm Buck Doctor's the Doctor without the doctrine. Jhalil: And I'm Ja Lil, the activist slash blacktivist, you know what's the deal. Deion: What up though? How you living? How you feelin'? Jhalil: ⁓ man, I'm great, man. I got I got one of my great friends on this joint, you know, my one of my lifetime buds, you mean? William Fagan: A me. Deion: Already knowing. What up, bud? Introduce yourself. Who are you? My fault. William Fagan: I ain't gonna do it. J Will. It's J Will, Mm Me, aka Shoes, yeah. Shoes ⁓ and me on the gram. Jhalil: Or we should. Deion: That's what it is. Hey shoes, you put your journal, do not disturb. William Fagan: We do that right now. Jhalil: Yeah, let me put my shit on there too. Deion: Yeah. William Fagan: Yeah. Deion: You know, paid your Wi Fi bill. William Fagan: Yeah, good. Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Deion: All right. We locked in the What up though, baby. Tell us a little bit about yourself though. What what part of the city, you know what I mean? What you from and shit and like what you do. William Fagan: Yeah, I grew up in South West Philly, bro. I'm from South West. I was born in a P but I moved I moved from there when I was a young boy, you feel me? I really run around at Southwest so that's where I say I'm from, you feel me? Deion: Yeah, we're William Fagan: Around, you know, doing all the little shit young boys do, getting in the dumb ass shit. I mean, my man. I done got my man Jos booked like two times or some bullshit. Get grabbed up. My bad baby, you feel me? But yeah, all the all the little bullshit, young black man going growing up going through, not to this extent now, like fully, you feel me, but Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Deion: Yeah, yeah. William Fagan: He went through shit, you feel me? I had a friend that died when I was thirteen years old. Nigga shot him in the head, you feel me? So I I've been through shit, bro, you feel me? A lot of struggle growing up. My ⁓ my mom, she wasn't fucked up one night, you feel me? I was cool, I ate every night and all that, but I ain't had everything I wanted, you what I'm saying? So Deion: Okay. Yeah, we're and you and you do music, right? William Fagan: Yeah, I do music and shit. I mean, you can look me up, shoes, MME. My rap name, Jay Will, MME, either way, I'ma pop up. Feel me. I've been spitting for years and shit. ⁓ I was on a battle scene at one point. Battle niggas ⁓ with the top engineers in the city I done worked with, Dunny, Beef, ⁓ Dingo. You feel me? I I work with all them, so I've been around, you know, I and I know like a lot of people in the city that's like on with the rack shit. Jhalil: Tell them about that new shit you just dropped too, man. Shout that John out, bro. William Fagan: It's dropping a new single called MME Made. It's on all platforms, Spiderfly, Apple Music, YouTube, you can look it up wherever. And I got a couple other singles up here, a couple other genres, but ⁓ a tape coming. I mean two months, that thing dropped and we on the clock. Deion: We're Jhalil: Get it. Deion: I probably fuck the game up right with the combo and say like we gonna get into some like real internal shit. You what I mean? Like and based on the fact that you do music, right? Which is the art, like would you say like you got into it on some environmental shit or like internally like it just came from within you, like William Fagan: I ain't gonna lie, like I always fuck with music though, you feel me? Like even when I was a young boy, like I'll be fucking remembering little shit Biggie say or shit like that. Like little crazy ass bars, jabba if she act, you feel me? Like I used to just remember little shit like that. Snatch her little face off her back. I'm like, damn, he acting crazy, but I don't know like why I was drawn to that shit a little bit, you feel me? Then Jhalil: Okay. Mm-hmm. William Fagan: I ain't gonna lie, like I started seeing rap DVDs and shit. You feel me? Like, I'm talking about like big star and them first, like all that type shit. I'm like, damn, niggas, niggas rapping getting on camera and shit around the city and shit. I'm like, damn, you can do this shit. Like, and I wanted to be on a DVD, like that just made me feel good. Somebody pass out a DVD. I'm on this drawing rap. I said, no, I want rap, fuck that. I'm about to be serious with. Man, we used to used to do little shit, write little bullshit raps, you feel me? One day I'm like, yo, I'm about to really start rapping. Yeah, my man's bro, the twins, motherfucking Dom the Bomb and shit. And then that's when we started mixing niggas that they wanna rap smooth, you feel me? Then we asked Tub and shit, and that's that's how we started rapping, bro. Jhalil: All right. Real shit, dawg. I remember too, man, when we was new Era Squad, bro, it was like shoes and bro, shoes and and tub was hot as shit and bomb, you feel me? Them niggas was the top three. You feel me? Like shoes, loot and bomb, bro. Real shit. Like shout out to my man bomb too, dawg you it for like you in a whole nother country, dawg like where you at? Deion: Yeah. William Fagan: Error. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. ⁓ Yeah. I don't know man. Bob just talked about not too long ago and shit. He be doing aria and shit, man. Work and stay out the way, man. Jhalil: Yeah bro right bro we we we the good men now, you feel me? Deion: Yeah. Hell yeah. And that's why I wanted to get into it so we can get into that. Like you feel me? Like to say like all right, to know you as a person, right? And it's almost like when you hear your music, is it a different person? William Fagan: Good dad, you feel me? Yeah, yeah. Deion: You get what I'm saying? Like and and is that is that important to you now, like to like really reflect on like who you are in your music and not just like what the environment is used to and want and like the sound of, you know what I mean? William Fagan: Gig ⁓ Yeah. Right, right. ⁓ I feel like I give ⁓ a ⁓ parts of me like they didn't expect. Like they be like, ⁓ I ain't know when he get like this or his flow get crazy. Like this I I like giving them shit they really don't expect, but like far as my my full life, like you gonna hear shit, you always gonna hear shit about my daughter in my ranch, you gon' catch little bars, how much I love my daughter, what I do for my daughter. You always gonna hear that type shit in my joint. So like you can take little shit from it. I ⁓ ain't I gotta say this like Deion: For like my best. William Fagan: I'll give ⁓ a pain music in a certain different way. Like I got different types on like I don't really like the same type pain sound like that that that fully given right now 'cause it's like everybody doing that same melody type drawing of the pain and it's like you gotta switch it up, bro. Like everybody can't be the same, you feel me? Like everybody can't be the same. Everybody writing by the same pain shit. Like already it happened to everybody but How you gonna stand out different from it? Like I'm saying like you gonna give a nigga a regular sixteen or you gonna get this nigga this shit like how Petey would deliver it or something. You feel me? Like, so if you catch this shit, I do spit that shit like but you gotta catch it, bro. It's just not basic what I'ma say right there. That's all. Deion: Yeah. And I say it to say, like, you know, you lock into a certain cadence or a certain pattern or operation of how somebody else might have got in. Right? Or like what you see that's working for other people and William Fagan: Yeah. Deion: You know what I mean? Like like offline we was talking about Low Russell Samba and Sing what is it, Samba Samba? William Fagan: And Samuel, what's the? Deion: Yeah. But like people like that, you know what I mean? Like they and like I love ⁓ the kid with the gift, ⁓ Lena. Like yeah, and like you they giving them on some they giving them on some cool and it's like you'll see people like that, they won't make it like they'll take a long time to get in. But you'll William Fagan: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. A whole little can't fire. Okay, I Right. Yeah. Deion: Like you'll see, like if we rapping about drugs, killing each other and all that type shit, then it's like motherfuckers could get right in. And and they could be the wackers or they could like be promoting, you know what I mean, like fungus to our communities, you feel me? And you know, now I'm in hindsight and I still listen to it, don't get me fucked up. I'm just saying, like in the vein of the conversation. William Fagan: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Deion: Do you think we gon' get to a space or we need to get to a space where we hold each other accountable for like for what niggas spittin' and what type of music niggas giving? William Fagan: I mean I think I think them artists should be held accountable, yeah. Like, but it's one thing you and so many people in the fucking world, you you gonna have fans no matter what you rap about, you feel me? You can rap about freaky shit all the time and you can be popping just from freaky people liking that shit. You feel me? So it's like It's always a top artist and there's different type of form of ⁓ rap in a different genre. So it's like that shit is going that shit gonna be here, bro. That's the nutty part. Like that shit gon it's not gonna die out because it's always gonna be certain motherfuckers that like certain shit, they wanna carry that on, you know what I'm saying? It might be not as big as it was or it might go bigger than it was, but that shit that shit here, bro, that's the fucked up part. Jhalil: Yeah, and that shit crazy cause it's like, man, it's like like dog, is it is like man, the gangsta shit, bro, even though I be chillin', you feel run the business, got the family, all that shit, bro. But I I grew up on the gangster shit, bro. Like and I I think it's just a part of our neighbor, like our culture now, like to be on that shit, bro, and fuck with it. Like, it's it's something about that struggle that we find like comfortability. William Fagan: ⁓ you know why Jhalil: And it's it's kinda crazy that it's like that, but that's the realness of it, bro. Like, it's like, man, like if I was a rapper, bro, I don't think I could just rap about, you know, what I'm doing. I gotta rap about what I see in my community, ⁓ what I'm around, like everything. You feel me? So it's like and I don't think like most of the people who rap like about certain shit, like even if it's the most dangerous shit, I don't think they rap about it because they want to, bro. I think that's just like William Fagan: Mm-hmm. Jhalil: That's some of the main shit that's around. You feel me? That's that's some of the main shit that niggas go through and all that. So it's like just like bro was saying, like, it's definitely a lane for all that shit. So it's like holding accountable, like it's like, damn, how can we? You feel me? Like, I I don't I don't know how we can, 'cause you know, we all had a little part in this shit, bro. So it's like William Fagan: Yeah, fuck it. Even I say crazy shit in my rap still. Like that on me you're right though, you feel me? That's what that shit just highlight. I don't know, bro. It's in our culture, you feel me? Now I got different shit. I got different like type tracks though. I don't keep it all that type shit, you feel me? But if a nigga wanna hear something, I'm gonna give me some street shit. I ain't even gonna cap to y'all. Jhalil: Sure. Yeah. That's Deion: Yeah. But that's what I'm saying. Like I know that to be true. Like I know that to be the culture. I know that to like that's how it goes and all of that type shit. William Fagan: Yeah. Deion: You know what I mean? But like in the vein of the fact that we getting in hindsight and we getting older and more mature is like, I ain't gonna lie, like I'll be on police, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, also, hey yo, like where the fucking cops had this nigga that ran the light, and you know what I'm saying? I'm jerky, like, damn, alright, call the cops, like you feel me. William Fagan: Listen, listen, hey hey, I know I'm getting old, bro. Low no problem. I'll be like these young niggas, man. Come on, man. But that forty, that forty be on me, but I don't want no problems. You feel me? Like I'm Deion: Yeah. Yeah, you know. Jhalil: Bro, so that's the difference, bro. Like man, it's it's like we know Deion: Yeah. William Fagan: Yeah. Yeah, I just wanna make all of my daughter youngest. Y'all don't even gotta be doing this. Like y'all don't even understand y'all young. Y'all you know how it is. When you that age, you think you older, you swear you older, like you got this shit sewn up, like you don't even know what the fuck you doing for real. Like now it's a select few that Deion: But no, but that's that's the type. Jhalil: Like we the ones who like who really made that shit a thing like to it. Okay. William Fagan: You feel me? They'll I mean a little smarter or whatever, or they got somebody in a corner guy and ⁓ you see what I'm saying? But most of the time you swear you know what you doing, like Deion: Yeah. But that's that's William Fagan: And don't be done, right? It's niggas that like go to work, love the gangster music. Don't but be chillin', you feel me? Like they be like, ⁓ I got kids and all that. You see what I'm saying? But they love that type shit. I don't think nothing wrong with that, but I think they should teach their kids, yo, this shit is some bullshit. You feel me? I'm just listening to it. I mean, as like it's something to hear. You know what I'm saying? You can listen to this, but don't let it influence you. Like don't. Jhalil: Yeah. ⁓ William Fagan: go out and do dumb shit they talking about. Deion: But I think like because we so programmed to accept that, you know what I mean? Like it like we just carrying it on and maybe we don't know what anything else looks like. So we comfortable with that, John, and we just keep adding into it, you get me, over years and time. William Fagan: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Deion: And because you grew up on it and you made it through it or whatever, you feel like it ain't got no type of impact. But it's like, man, you look at this shit and it's like on one end, yeah, you talking about your life and you talking about your environment and everything like that. But like on a on a tall scale, it's benefiting other people and not us. You get what I'm saying? Offline, we was just talking about how many hot. William Fagan: Right. Right. Jhalil: Okay, yeah. Deion: Philly rappers, writers, poets, everything, but the business not there. You get what I'm saying? I remember one of my youngest from the block, if. If used to be like, we was trying to make a record label, used to be like, I just want rap. I'm like, damn, you just want rap. So it's like when people hear that in the industry, they love that type shit, cause they're gonna all dramatically be like, all right, go ahead and rap. William Fagan: Even Deion: And you're gonna rack your little ass off and then there's there's nothing for you. You get what I'm saying? The whole time you you was used as a porn to fuck your own people over by just by just rapping and just saying anything, you feel me? And I ain't come I ain't coming at us or nothing like that. I just want us to realize like, like damn, that that is how we came up, that is how we learnt the game, but that ain't how we gotta keep it going. William Fagan: ⁓ yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Keep it going, right. Deion: You feel what I'm saying? Because man, like you gotta think about that shit, like That shit cooking you. Just think about this is what I want you to think about, right? There's a hesitation on you putting out your music because you know which was out here being heard. So you know, like when you making your shit, you ain't gonna go too far from what's out there. You get what I'm saying? William Fagan: Yeah. Deion: So then that makes you the same as everybody else, because you're not being different and standing out and making that type of music, like y'all said, whereas though you can have different genres of what to listen to. You feel me? They try to make it to where as though all you listen to is that gun shit, this and that and that and that and the violence and shit, right? William Fagan: Yeah. Jhalil: You feel me? Like that shit crazy, bro. So I ain't gonna lie, most of the blame gotta go to them dickheads. For real, for real, bro. ⁓ Deion: And that's what I'm saying too, because Right. William Fagan: All right. Deion: No, but I mean if if we the ones carrying it out, we gotta take that responsibility and that accountability to be like, listen, the music business don't exist if we don't do the music. Like so w y you know what I mean? Like we control the narrative for real. You know what I'm saying? Like the gels can't get over on us if we stand together and don't buy commissary from fucking Kiki or or Airmark or whatever it was. William Fagan: Yeah. Deion: But nobody wanted to take a week to go through that shit to to to get to the other side. You feel what I'm saying? Like nobody's gonna stop going to work. Nobody's gonna stop paying their bills for a better America. But we but we gonna bitch and complain about it. You feel me? So we gotta be accountable and say at least like what I'm doing in my lowest circumference of the world, like I'm doing a good job. William Fagan: No thing would Yeah. Jhalil: Yeah, bro, shit, bro. William Fagan: Yeah. Deion: So that's what I mean, like the you versus you, we gotta be the you that win. And that's that you is the the real us, not the stuff that's been ⁓ you know given to us by our community that we was birthed in. Mind you, we didn't ask to be here. You feel me? So the community that we come into, the body that we come into, the skin that we come, we don't got nothing to do with it. You feel what I'm saying? So William Fagan: It's Right. Deion: And and then and that's why I asked you that question earlier, like your internal music come from out of you and shit, and then you gotta damp it down because you gotta make it fit into because you want the reward out of it, right? But you never you never put yourself in a position where you don't care about it enough that it just come to you. William Fagan: Yeah. Deion: You get me? Like it'd be stuck in our head to be like, no, I'ma make this music because I'm trying to get this money. So then if you got that type of thought, you go towards where the money at. ⁓ all right, they making this type of music over there. That's where the money at. I'm gonna make this type of music. Then you start forgetting yourself. William Fagan: Right, right. Right. Yeah. Right. It is Deion: You feel me? But that everyday shit you go through when you go through your breaks, shoes when you ain't on music. But that's the shit that I be on. I be like that, like like damn. I just had my daughter, you mean being able to figure out how to like put that real life shit in there. That'd change the game for me. You feel what I'm saying? And low key, I think a lot of people be really William Fagan: Yeah. Wow. Yeah, yeah. Deion: Like people upset what's on the radio, it's on the radio. If they turn it, they can't do nothing else about it. You feel what I said? But if you can handpick what you listen to, I think the should'll be different. William Fagan: Yeah, yeah. Jhalil: I Yeah. William Fagan: No, that's that's you right. You right about that. Right for sure. Jhalil: Or something. Deion: You know, so in the vein of like really talking about some man shit and and through the music and everything, like you know, me and Jobs was talking about it earlier and shit, like, you know, as black men being vulnerable. You know what I mean? And even being able to hear this shit. What ears you got on? You feel me? Like, do you got your dealt mature ears to hear it? William Fagan: Yeah. Right, right. Deion: You might have came in thinking we was gonna celebrate music and then you gotta shove with a jaw and that's like, ⁓ damn, bro, you kinda come. You try like you feel me? But I do it to like for us to really start digging into shit. You know what I'm saying? Like when the first time you heard a man really command shit and then correct you, and then you okay and accept it. William Fagan: No, I know. Jhalil: Yeah. William Fagan: Yeah. Not till I was older. Jhalil: Bro, shit, bro. You know, you young boy, you don't be trying to hear that shit, dog. Like, and that's that I that's why you my man, bro, cause it'd be a lot of times, bro, me and Buck be rap, but he'd be like, No, bro, that ain't it. Like d I be like, nigga fuck out of here. Then I think about it later, I be like, damn, bro, you you right, 'cause Deion: Yeah. William Fagan: ⁓ ⁓ I have a smooth Jhalil: Should be a little uncomfortable, but hey man, like that's in the vein to do William Fagan: Is it this or you think I'll be like, nah bro, ain't it like? ⁓ Jhalil: Always kept it real with niggas, bro. Like real shit, dog. And like that that go to like right into what we talking about. Like and it's like, all right, this segment we was gonna talk about, you know, like being vulnerable, us as being like men and shit like that. And me and him was talking earlier, and I'm like, damn, bro, like that's one of my main struggles in life, like. I can be going through all this shit, but it's like I find it hard to reach out and ask for help or reach out and you mean, but it really shouldn't be like that, bro. Cause at the same time, dog, like we all you feel me, we all a working system. Like everybody got a part that's that's rolling, you feel me? So and any time I know I could call any one of my bros, like, damn, bro, shit a little slow. Can I get in with your company for a minute? Or William Fagan: Right. Mm-hmm. Jhalil: Da da da da. I need help with this. Like it shouldn't be a problem. But at the same time, I think it's like our upbringing, bro, and all the shit that we heard, that you know, men's supposed to be strong. You stand on your own too and all that. And and being a little vulnerable, saying you need help, that's not taken away from none of that shit, bro. That's actually proving your manhood. Like, dog, 'cause sometimes shit get real, bro, especially at this level that we at now, bro. We grown ass men. William Fagan: Yeah. Jhalil: So it's like now shit really real, bro. Like. William Fagan: ⁓ bro shit, bro, shit, bro. Jhalil: It should be real, dog. It's like every day is some bullshit, like, you know. So it's like, damn. But we need to like us as men, bro, we need to form that system and just let each other know. Like, nah, bro, I got your back. I understand that shit get real over there. You feel me? Like, and we need to like create our own systems outside of, you know, what everybody else saying and all this other shit that we hearing every day, you know? William Fagan: Yeah. Like it was a time, right? Like fucking we gon' we gonna speak on and keep it real, like me and me and Tub, we had bump heads before, you feel me? And we was speaking for a little second down. Fucking Dodd's funeral, you feel me? Jhalil: Mm-hmm. William Fagan: Fuck all that shit, bro, that shit bullshit. We mad, I don't give a fuck about none of that. You feel me? I love you, bro. I don't want this to happen. You feel me? I right here sorty that I ain't talk to you on some bitch shit. You feel me? Fuck that shit, nigga. We brothers. Like that shit made me like I said that I said, no bro, you gotta come outside, you gotta holler at me real quick. We rap, pull that shit in the trash, fuck all that, you feel me? Jhalil: Shit. Mm-hmm. Yeah bro, and that's that's another part bro that that vulnerability is like man fuck it like bro we done been through all this shit bro like niggas about to not let both the some one little thing just fuck all that shit up. Nah bro and that shit was crazy because like Doz, that's my little cousin, like peace in paradise little nigga, like bro, you remember being at the crib, bro, he was a baby. So like from him being a baby watching his whole William Fagan: Yeah, thank you. Yeah, Jhalil: Grow like his whole grow up the like getting fucking killed, bro. Like that shit still crush me, bro. Like I'll be like, damn, dog. Like that's crazy. He's supposed to be here now, bro. Lots long, little bear, you mean, probably a baby or something like he's supposed to be here, bro. Real shit, dog. William Fagan: Yeah. He'd be on, yeah. He'll be rollin'. Jhalil: So it's like, man, that that proved like life be short, bro. And it's like we don't got no time for this bullshit that, like, that others get to throw in our mix. You feel me? Like, real shit, dog. Like, so many decent, like, friendships and relationships and all that got severed, like, for little shit, bro, that that come from the outside. You know, man. And we can't keep letting that shit happen, bro. That's why we be on this shit, bro. Like, You already know what type of niggas we is, bro. You mean? Like we we gon' keep it real, like William Fagan: ⁓ real shit. Jhalil: So it's like dog, that's why we be trying to build with the volume shift, bro. That's why our shit called that, bro. We shifting the volume on all the bullshit, bro. We like to get internal and see what niggas got going on. Like we the type of niggas that ask you Bro, shit like, yo, bro, you good? Like we ain't trying to say, yeah, I'm good. No, bro, how you living, how you feeling? You feel me? Deion: Hello. William Fagan: That's a I like the show on Right, right, right. What's going on? Deion: Cause you gotta it take a village, you know what I'm saying? Like and I I and now that we speaking on it, like I I'm catching myself as you said that I'm like, damn. And I was about to speak on like Dods and all that, and I'm like, I don't even speak on my own people, you feel me? Like I don't even really be saying a lot of like how I feel about them losses and all that. Like I kinda like, you know what I mean? Like William Fagan: Yeah, yeah. Deion: Be thinking about it like damn. Like I just ain't see Bug or Heme in a minute. You feel me? Like just to not feel just to not feel a type of way, you feel me? Cause that joint could disturb your whole life. It could disturb your day. ⁓ Jhalil: Yeah, bro, and that's William Fagan: Yeah, All right. Jhalil: And how you move and everything, bro. How you like how you act in the street, like how you interact and all that shit, bro. And it's so crazy, right? Remember I had the crib about Frankfurt and shit. So I had met I met him and Bug through my block up Frankfurt. You feel me? And this I didn't even know that these was Buck Cousins. You feel me? Like him funny as shit, bro. We call that they they call that nigga titties and shit. He was funny as shit. He was the big bro, like. William Fagan: Right. Deion: Yeah. William Fagan: It's Deion: Mm-hmm. Jhalil: Real right, but I start fucking with him, bro, around the time Dirty Sprite Two came out, bro. He used to always listen to the Perkins set in the strip, but yeah, man, that was my shit too, bro. So we I say, yo, that's that shit, bro. Like that's how we got cool, you feel me? And then Bo came in later on. Like I I seen him treat somebody. Like real ra I seen him treat somebody. I look out the window, boy was screaming. I said, Dang, he William Fagan: L'He. Deion: Mm-hmm. It's very funny. Jhalil: He put the dukes on him, you feel me? So I started fucking with him too. Then later on I found out that that was your folks, bro. That shit was crazy. I'm like, damn, like I ain't even know y'all niggas was family, cause you know Buck big bro. You mean that's my dog. Like, so once I found that out, I automatically got way cooler with them niggas, you feel me? William Fagan: Right, right. Yeah, yeah, fuck that ass folks, we lot. Jhalil: Really, bro. Like, and that shit was in the mix out there, bro. Like when I say it was going down in Frankfurt, bro, like, dog him, dog, that nigga had the story. He got busy on the cops, bro. That shit was like, yo, he was a celebrity in the hood, bro. Like he took them niggas on wheels, bro, all through the city, all that got away, bro. He was the man, dog. ⁓ Deion: Yeah. William Fagan: Yeah. Deion: Okay. Jhalil: We still laugh about that shit, dawg. I still do, you feel me? I'm like, damn, cause that's crazy. Niggas going too soon, you feel me? William Fagan: Yeah. Deion: But it it hurt the most cause like to know Doz and to know Heem and to know Boog and I know all these guys is to know like they wasn't on that and they was robbed not of like just life but like of their real life. They mission, they personal jown that they was Like here to do. You get me? And and and that's that that goes to like to show, you feel me? Like we got this life in the hood and this culture and all of that. And we can say because we live in it is supposed to be. But it's like, man, like I don't know, cause you feel me, like my internals say like, bro, if I could have sung, I would have sung. William Fagan: Yeah. Deion: ⁓ Like if I could have played the piano, I could have I don't know what my drone would have been because the the the hood shit interrupted all that shit. You know what I'm saying? To this day, like you still operate, you know what I'm saying? Like, cause you think about you talk about some shit, say you you you in a vein of changing, you got a job and all that, you still wanna come across like nobody could do nothing to you. Jhalil: Mary was it. William Fagan: Yeah, it has to. ⁓ Deion: You know what I'm saying? Like that's how hard the you versus you be. Like you get what I'm saying? Like you got your kids, you wanna teach them right. You want them to be in the best neighborhood so they don't gotta go through no smoke or you know what I mean? They could just live a precious, beautiful life, but in your head, you like, No, you gotta be tough. You gotta you know me, like life going c like you be throwing all this shit, you feel me? And that's cause you know, it was bowed things. William Fagan: It's so fucked up out here, bro. Like I go to work every day, bro. Monday through Friday, bro. I go to work straight, bro. Like, just because I'm not in no beef or nothing, but it's just like it's too crazy, bro. Like, you feel me? And I don't know, like a motherfucker, you still can yeah me die with your pistol or whatever, but it's like I don't know, I just I gotta carry this drawn. This shit weird out this drawn bro, like you know how like and that was fucked up and nigga, you come bump into a nigga by accident, bro, and it'll go down. Like it's just it's crazy out this drawn. Everybody emotions high, you feel me? Like that shit weird, bro. Deion: I know it's a tough ass joint, but like for me, the reason why it's like that is because we all think like that. So we gotta stop thinking like that. We gotta stop thinking about like our brothers doing something to us. You get what I'm saying? Like we we come up, you you just all dramatically like you walking down the street and you like. William Fagan: Yeah. Yeah. Deion: You don't know what this other guy passing you is gonna do. You feel what I'm saying? And it's like we shouldn't even be thinking like that. You get what I'm saying? Because we think like that and then it becomes our reality. You know what I'm saying? Like, I remember my pop said some gangster shit to me, right? He said, he said, son, I don't carry guns, I use them. William Fagan: Yeah, bro. Mm-hmm. ⁓ Deion: So said, damn, like I mean he wouldn't walk around with just a joint just cause like if he got it, he's gonna go do something with it. You feel what I'm saying? And like William Fagan: Right. When he bringing that thing. Getting cooked when I bring this thing on, nigga. Deion: You feel me? Like, and and and that's what I'm saying. Like, we gotta really start challenging ourselves on some real shit. Like, is you really being you? Or is it or is it the you that that's been conditioned and programmed to operate like this? I say the same thing to women. Like if you wanna be in a relationship with me, don't come with that marriage shit and you wanna tremendo you ain't make that shit up. William Fagan: Alright. Deion: So how you want all that? Like you feel what I'm saying? Like you carrying it like you made it up. Like, you know what I'm saying? You probably wanna put your little spin on it, you know what I mean? And now you want diamonds instead of rhinestones, but the whole concept, you don't even get you you put all of that in the wet in the dress and all of that, and then you lack at when what the real thing of marriage is. Like, you know, you don't do none of your duties. William Fagan: Yeah. Jhalil: Being a wife is like Deion: Like what the fuck you put all the work in the fucking draw, which tell me that that was all for other people. It wasn't for nobody in the relationship. Cause after y'all spend that money, what the fuck y'all got? Nothing. You feel what I'm saying? So you done been bamboozled by motherfuckers that wanna sell diamonds. Like your life crazy. William Fagan: Right. Yeah. Deion: Cause motherfuckers wanted to sell diamonds and the marketing that they use was that. Same thing with our kids, bro. You don't got no fucking control. Your kids come running up to you. They want Batman, they want robbing, they want all of these things. You get me? Like, and you, you now gotta go get it. Yeah, I mean, but you don't even know it's some niggas in the background that make the toys that just they promote it to your ⁓ your kids and your wife. William Fagan: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the fog with ⁓ Deion: And and and and us as and us as men, we going out there and doing it all to go get those things. Jhalil: Bro shit, bro. Even when they come to like hurting each other and doing some other shit, bro, where it'll be way easier to be like, listen, bro, I know you do this and I do this and and he do this, but bro, let's let's put some shit together. So now we don't never got worried about you feel me? We don't never got worried about, damn, I walk out of the crib and get robbed by you or you. Feel me? No, bro, cause what's mine is yours, bro. Let's get this shit together. You mean but William Fagan: Yeah. Deion: You follow me. William Fagan: Yeah. Yeah. Deion: I remember on the ⁓ on King in New York, right? People probably let this go by. They probably just thought it was a thorough little word, right? Little wordplay. But when they try to rob him on the train, William Fagan: Yeah. Deion: And they told he told him come to the the hotel, I got work for y'all. You see what I'm saying? Like, so if you got a young boy that pulls up or you try, young, listen, love me, I'm about to put you somewhere else. You got this type of energy, you raise this it all to do this. I got something for you. Cause all he needed to know was that he got that energy to go do it. And so, but he misguided. You see what I'm saying? So now I'ma take him and I'm gonna guide him the right way. You see what I'm saying? William Fagan: Vai, vai. Jhalil: All right. William Fagan: Yeah. All right. Deion: And so that gotta be the energy, bro. You feel me? When you hearing niggas talk about this bad shit, you gotta be like, nah, bro. What you want that for? Like, what that do? I'm sitting here chilling with a skinny. She talking about all this outside stuff, all these people that get on her nerves. I'm like, how you let something like that bother you? Like. William Fagan: Yeah. ⁓ Jhalil: Yeah. William Fagan: Right. Deion: To a point now, I can't even say here what you would enjoy you in this time because you thinking about some out. You see what I'm saying? So now when you get with your friends, y'all on that same type eye. Everybody talking about destruction. We getting together and this what we want to spend our time doing. And that's why that's where and that's where it go to like what Jaz was saying about being vulnerable and all that. William Fagan: Yeah. Jhalil: Okay, Russell. William Fagan: Right. Deion: We know each other day one. We'll say A one. You don't know my mom last name. You don't know my pop had pancre pancreas cancer. All that like you get what I'm saying? Why you ain't share that? Why you not sharing that, bro? Cause that's what's gonna really connect us, like, you know what I mean? I know you gonna show up to ride out on some bullshit. You feel me? I was just telling guys like. William Fagan: Right. Right. Jhalil: I don't know. William Fagan: Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ different. Deion: Motherfuckers ⁓ skip your event. But if you call ⁓ to ride out on something, they'll be there. It's weird. William Fagan: It's meu. Deion: But you'll call yourself real for doing that. But you not showing up to a event where we can celebrate, I think that's more valid. Jhalil: I don't know. Yeah, so we know the world. Deion: Not that you not that we sitting up here fighting on some shit and then you probably the one that started it anyway. William Fagan: Alright. ⁓ shit. Jhalil: Green. ⁓ Deion: I say, bro, I don't even got drama 'cause I don't got friends, bro. Friends be friends be the ones in the dr if I'm by myself, who the fuck I'm getting in trouble with? You feel what I'm saying? So it's like, nah, man. William Fagan: Right, right. It's like your circle gets smaller as you get older for real, like. Jhalil: They Shit, bro. And like and like we said, though, ⁓ go ahead, bro. William Fagan: Del Like, like like us, bro, you know you got your friends or you don't see them every day, but we brothers, nigga, so like it ain't nothing. We always connected. We talk every day on the gram or what or whatever it is. When we talk, it's like we ain't miss a day, you feel me, bro? Like, and that shit be real love. Like we got that's a real brotherly connection, bro. Like I feel that shit, you feel me? So like, but with some niggas, I don't know, bro, like. I'm an energy boy, like I be I feel when a motherfucker ain't right. Like I'll be like, I'm me whatever. I ain't even gonna lie, but I won't even try like like in the situation and I just get up out of there, you feel me? Like I'll be like, I don't I ain't feeling nobody. So I just moved myself, you feel me bro? Jhalil: Yeah, bro. Shit, bro. Mm-hmm. Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: Everybody can you can save everybody. But it's like at the same time, dog, like even if it's not saving, bro, we gotta figure out a way, like, and I ain't just talking about us. You feel I'm talking about us as a whole. We gotta figure out a way that we can do this shit together. You feel me? Even if niggas don't click, even if niggas don't, you mean mesh well and all that, but we gotta figure out a way to do this shit so we ain't killing each other, bro. Deion: But William Fagan: Okay, Yeah. Jhalil: Cause it's like that's a whole part of the master plan, some shit that we ain't sit down and cook up, you feel me? And it's like at the same time, bro, all of our peoples, all of our youngins, all like we a part of the fight. It's some shit we ain't even know we was in. You feel me? Like, it was niggas like, dog, you seen Keith, like, come on, bro. Keys w when we was thirteen, Trinaire when we was in fucking and William Fagan: Yeah. Jhalil: ⁓ high school, like bro, like Tranero was the good man, bro. Never wanna get in nothing. He was the good guy, bro. Like he wasn't on none of that shit, bro. And and niggas was bullying him. Once he finally put hands on niggas, then y'all wanna go do something. Like that's crazy, bro. So shit like that not acceptable, bro. Rest in peace, Trinidad too, man. The real shit, dog. Cause that was one of the like one of the most like William Fagan: ⁓ you follow me. Yeah. ⁓ right. Jhalil: I'ma say like, ⁓ what's the word? I one one of the most good dudes that we knew, bro, at that time, bro, cause like we was doing other shit. Like, you know, us, we was a little wild. Even me, Buck, you know, a couple a couple years ago before I had the kids and I I ain't trying to hear none of that. What's up, bro? Like, we on the dance floor, I'm punching on shit. I didn't care. But it's like now we got so much shit to lose. It's like and looking back, you know, all the people we lost for nothing. It's like, no, bro, we gotta form some new shit to where it's though, like, yo, we good. Like, no, bro. It it ain't never no target for a motherfucker that look like you. Like, that's the shit that we on here trying, like, not even on no preaching shit, bro. This some real life shit, cause like fuck all that preaching. Yeah. William Fagan: Yeah. That's the world shit though. Like y'all talking some shit. Yeah. Jhalil: Cause it's like, man, just imagine, bro, like if all of us be like, no, fuck it. Yo, you you do the music. My man do the editing. I do the cleaning, the business. He do this. He the barber. Like, what the fuck? We don't gotta go nowhere else. You feel me? Like, everything is within the team, bro. Like, real shit. Should it be way easier like that? Then it's like, damn, what's the reason to Go out and try a rob a nigga or something if you know you got ten, twenty motherfuckers you can call to get some paper. William Fagan: Right. It'd be nothing to put somebody on or you feel me, link with somebody they'll both get some money like. Jhalil: ⁓ all right. Real shit, bro. You know, at this age, like the paper come in now. So it's like, damn, a young boy hit you like, yo, yo, shoes, I'm fucked up, man. I need da da da da. Like I gotta do this, the You gonna be like, huh, young boy's cool. Don't don't even do that, none of that shit. And that'll drag with him for the rest of his life. You feel me? Like, real rap now, you gonna be like, yo, I remember you bro, niggas don't forget that shit, dog. So it's like William Fagan: Yeah, Right. Jhalil: Us as the old heads, bro, that's why I be trying to do that shit a little bit more, bro. Them young boys that I see with the hope, that I see they got the plan and and they can you mean, I'm always gonna help them, bro. Real shit. Deion: But you know, I'll say this to add on, right? Like, we really Like I'll be saying, like, we don't like we ain't asked to be here and shit, right? So like a lot of things that's happening in our lives, it happens for you as individual. You know what I mean? Like if you speaking about something shoes, right, and you say a nigga drawing the energy wrong, he came into your life at that time, and you could have like changed the energy order. the trajectory of the of his life. You get what I'm saying? But because of all of this stuff we got in us, we neglect our God-given missions. You see what I'm saying? So to have to be in an arrogant space to be like, well I don't feel like dealing with that shine. It's like William Fagan: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Deion: Now, when life shows you different challenges, like damn, no, I told you you should have handled that. Now I'm giving you this. You get what I'm saying? And we might see that as what they call karma or something like that. You get what I'm saying? Or be so busy and tied up in it that you don't even recognize that that's what's happening. You get what I'm saying? Like William Fagan: Right, right. Yeah. Right, yeah. Yeah, you just thinking it's a fucked up paper. Jhalil: And Deion: So that's why I say like you like if it comes into our lives and it's presented, it's probably something that we need to do with it. Like, you get what I'm saying? I remember they my they kept calling me about my young boy being homeless and he popping up, sleeping on porches and all that. I'm like, man, I don't feel like going go deal with that shit. Like, you feel me? Like William Fagan: Yeah, it Right, right. Yeah, you know, so shit like that. That's that's yeah. Deion: w within like two weeks that shit repeated itself like it got crazier. I said, ⁓ no, I gotta get it, I gotta do it now. You feel me? Like it's basically went from the streets to knocking on my fucking door. So I don't got no choice at the point where you know what I'm saying? But it was in my control to dictate it and control it how I want it. But I opted out and was like, nah I'm cool, like you feel me? William Fagan: Yeah. ⁓ Yeah. Yeah. Deion: So if you think about it like that, man, you got so many things in your life that you probably can think about now that you like, damn. You feel me? But and Jhalil: No, but like you gotta clear it though. Cause you said you you no bro, you really did look out though. Like once that shit came back and knocked, bro, you really got that shit in order, bro. Deion: ⁓ yeah, yeah, yeah. Jhalil: We gotta let them know that, you feel? Cause the people listening don't know, like they might think you declined it, you man. Hey. Deion: No, but it's still about it's it's still about activating. It's still about activating like that care for one another. And not to put it off cause we think we so busy. fat boy lucchi: Eww. Jhalil: Yeah, bro. Shit. No, real shit. But no, look, look, we got we gotta tag the bro in, man. Welcome to the you man. Welcome to the volume shift, loot. What's the deal, bro? Deion: You know what I'm saying? Like What up though? William Fagan: ⁓ fat boy lucchi: What's up? What's up, Dilly? Deion: Hell he heal not a word man. William Fagan: Тут fat boy lucchi: Yeah, what's up with the guys, William Fagan: One day you look. Deion: He's a predator forehead, just Jhalil: Hehehehehe. William Fagan: Yeah. fat boy lucchi: I'd be out for something big and all that. Jhalil: I can't even hear you. William Fagan: We can Deion: You know how to work that joke? You don't know how to work it. fat boy lucchi: Wait, let me see. It looks like a more pink. Deion: I can't hear him. Can y'all hear him? William Fagan: Go out and come back. fat boy lucchi: Alright. Jhalil: Yeah. See that's a good joint. I see my man in the button up shirt. You feel me? Like they don't know who we used to be shoes, you feel me? William Fagan: ⁓ we're yeah, we're all shit. Jhalil: Yeah, dig it. Deion: You got your Wi-Fi on. William Fagan: They came along. fat boy lucchi: You must. William Fagan: There you go. Deion: But you put you do not disturb one. So you're fat boy lucchi: ⁓ I bet. Deion: When you come back in, just introduce yourself. Who are you? Where you from, you mean, what you do? fat boy lucchi: Y'all can hear me go? Deion: Yeah. fat boy lucchi: So you want me come back in? Deion: No, just talk now. You up? fat boy lucchi: R.A. Fatboy Lutie, you saw us in the building. You know what saying? Trap artists, Philly artists and all that. Jhalil: Yeah, you good now. Yeah, man. There, there. Deion: And we You do music too. fat boy lucchi: Yeah, yeah, do a lot of music, man. Put that shit together, man. Put that shit together. Deion: Where can they check you out at Jeremy? fat boy lucchi: You can check me out on all platforms, YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, Fatboyluchi, at Fatboyluchi and all that. I'm on everything, man. Jhalil: How with shoes Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: It was loot and bomb, bro. They was the best in our team, you feel me? And they really had the bar, they still do. Man, so fat boy lucchi: It's crazy, because I started out like I just was holding the camera. Like I ain't even, I ain't even rap for real. Like, niggas like make a rap. I'm like, all right. Jhalil: ⁓ And John was hot as shit, bro, real right. Like he like, whoa, like, all right, yeah, this nigga really do this shit. Like, yeah, King Tay Dog, bruh. fat boy lucchi: That's when I was ⁓ king too. Deion: What that boy name was. fat boy lucchi: Getting tagged man Jhalil: ⁓ man, duh. Yo, that's crazy, like. fat boy lucchi: Yeah, right. Deion: When you first came to the age of shit. fat boy lucchi: I re-envolved myself by three things. I you. Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: ⁓ Hudgeson and Logan and shit. fat boy lucchi: Oh, that's, oh yeah, yeah. Yep. I'm trying to remember, because I've been up there a couple times. I was up there before he and me, because my folks always... Deion: No, you probably would felt so welcome, right? Cause as soon as you came about, like we just brought you into the family, like right, cooking toast, you know what I'm saying? Like we was bit is so heavy, like, you know what I'm saying? And that's the way I listen, that's the way I like to keep it, you feel me? Like if you bring a nigga around and you introduce him like either bro, you not about to be a zemp from getting bitted on and none of that. Like fat boy lucchi: shit dawg Deion: You feel me like and you need to show like you ain't emotional to a point like you feel me like a little Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Real shit, dog. fat boy lucchi: And see, that's where we come from, like the bid. I ain't even got to know you. You bust a shot, I'm bustin' it back. That's how you build a relationship for real, like, you know what I'm sayin'? Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: Real shit, though. Deion: Motherfucker wanna shoot you now. Jhalil: Yes. ⁓ fat boy lucchi: Yeah, it's good. Man, these emotional thugs, man. Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: Shit crazy dog world, where? fat boy lucchi: Can't be no emotional thugs, man. That's what happened. Deion: So you know, how ya how you transition been? fat boy lucchi: what, with the music and what, like, I mean, it been a lot different, feel me? I try to fall back from the streets and all that. Got the daughter, so I try to like, separate, you know what saying? So I can be here for her and all that. I mean, I'm not saying I don't dibble and dabble, but I just. Deion: Life, you know. fat boy lucchi: It ain't the same for me, you feel me? But being as though I was doing what I was doing so much in the street, like going through the ups and downs and all that, it morphed me into this person that can get through any storm, you feel me? So I'm cool with you, I'm cool for real. Deion: Mm-hmm. ⁓ what you would Jhalil: I'm proud of you too, my nigga. Real rap, dog. I told you, dog. Like, before you had the baby, dog, I'm like, yo, bro, that shit changed everything. Like, watch, bro. Like, we had them talks, bro. And then now it's like, man, like, bro, you you on your shit, bro. Both of y'all niggas, bro. All of us for real, for real, bro. Cause we could have been doing whatever. We could have been lifed up. You feel me? Book the fuck up, doing whatever you know, but no, bro. fat boy lucchi: Yeah. ⁓ huh. I'm gonna go red. Jhalil: Everybody on their shit, dog. Like Proud to say that, dawg. So fat boy lucchi: Yeah, probably. I'm definitely proud of these, man. Deion: Is you saying something shoes you're doing on mute? fat boy lucchi: man. Jhalil: ⁓ fat boy lucchi: Bro, you turning to a mom, bro. Deion: Yeah. William Fagan: That shit definitely was on mute. Deion: ⁓ you act it up. Sure, you will. William Fagan: No, ⁓ I think I hit that joint I was holding ⁓ I had to get up out of there. Deion: That's why I'm saying, like, nigga like me, I learned how to really be uncomfortable to be comfortable. You know what I'm saying? And what I mean by that, like, my niggas will be like, if Luke say that, he'll go around the whole room, like, all right, what y'all got for Luke? And every man in that building will speak to Luke and give him something. You feel me? Like, you can't do that, you can't make those transitions, bro. William Fagan: Yeah. fat boy lucchi: but William Fagan: Right. Deion: Without making sure you callin' niggas every day to be like, yo, this shit hard, bro. Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Deion: Y you by yourself, you won't you won't fall. You feel me? And if you try you if you ever tried to quit before, you know. William Fagan: Yeah. Jhalil: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was right. Yeah. fat boy lucchi: Yeah, I done been there, bro. Been times I been like, yo, I'm done. Especially with rap, bro. Put so much into it, man. Put so much time and money and effort. then it just don't go. The ball don't be in your court. You be like, man, I'm done, man. I'm about to focus on life. William Fagan: Yeah, should be hard. Jhalil: That shit be temporary, bro. You gotta look at that shit, man. Look at look at two chains. That nigga was titty boy, bro. That nigga he he bust out at like 3840 or something, you feel me? Then took shit over. Like he was the man for a while, you feel? Now he got a name, like so Deion: Yeah, so fat boy lucchi: What? Deion: ⁓ no, I know. Jhalil: It's like, yo, we can't really put times on that shit, bro. Like, I know that shit be seeming crazy. Like, that's how that shit is with business too, bro. You feel me? You know, I started this shit in 2015. So it was times I was like, man, this shit ain't. I don't know, bro. I don't know how to call looting them. Like, see, you know what I mean? Real shit, bro. But it's like, no, you gotta keep thugging, keep thugging. And then it was like, I really start getting bigger shit. fat boy lucchi: Thank you. Jhalil: It was like, all right, cool, bro. So it's like you can't put the time on it, bro, cause it's like the universe, that shit already got the shit mapped out, bro. But it's about them moves and them and them turns and shit that you make when shit real. Like if shit real and then you be like, nah, fuck it, I'ma just give up. That shit probably stopped right there. But if it's the universe be like, no, if he just pounded out, even though he don't wanna write that shit, he don't wanna drop this next genre. But if he dropped this shit. That shit gonna go platinum. You feel me? So that shit be having a whole different like a whole different version that niggas be thinking, dog. So that's why it's it's strong to stay on your shit, bro. Even when you ain't getting the result that you really want, you know man? William Fagan: Yeah. Yeah. fat boy lucchi: All right. Deion: No, that's why I was saying, like, when you that's why I'd be like being ex to be here. You feel me? Jhalil: ⁓ right. Deion: And so like if you got a gift like doing music, you can't Like you can't renege on that shit. You can't not do it. That's like you feel me? Like we didn't ask to be here. So everything that come through us, throughout us, like that's what is supposed to be given to the world. And if you ⁓ neglect to do it, don't ask why your life ain't what it is. You get what I'm saying? Like Jhalil: Yeah, that's your gift. Like William Fagan: Mm-hmm. fat boy lucchi: Dude. William Fagan: Yeah, yeah. fat boy lucchi: But it be signs too, like these last couple weeks and shit, like I walked to the store, I hear my song playing. I'm like, oh, somebody drive past. I'm like, oh. like yesterday I was in the larger mat, boy came up to me like, yo, I know you. I'm like, no, he like, no, made my own, made like. William Fagan: Right. Jhalil: Real sick, bro. Really, bro. fat boy lucchi: Yeah, yeah, you're dropping me. You feel me? That like, make me wanna bar. I can't stop. Jhalil: Mm. Real shit, bro. Got the bars, bro. Real shit, dog. Both of y'all niggas, dog. That's why I be like that shit every time, bro, y'all niggas gotta keep dropping, dog. Cause it's like it's is a lot of artistry going on, bro. It's is room for everybody, bro. Everybody like what they like and and people got different selections, bro. But y'all niggas, man, y'all something different, bro. I ain't gonna lie, man. Real shit. Deion: Yeah. William Fagan: Yeah. fat boy lucchi: Thanks. Jhalil: Y'all gotta keep that shit coming, dawg. Cause like coming from where we come from and how we came up, you you already know, bro. That shit go hand in hand, bro. The bars with the lifestyle, like. So it's it's just thorough too to see that y'all niggas, man, y'all advanced in life, like what we all did, like with our thinking, like with our livelihoods, how we acting, all of that shit, bro, it all plays a part, man. So William Fagan: Yeah. fat boy lucchi: Thanks. Jhalil: That shit might get it might be a time where you be like, no, this shit ain't going how it's supposed to. But no, bro, that shit going exactly how it was supposed to. You feel real shit, bro. You gotta thug it out, like. Cause like, I mean, who whoever said this shit was gonna be easy. I ain't never hear nobody say, yo, when you get older, this shit gonna be easy. When when you do this, it's gonna nobody ever even said that, bro. Real shit, bro. fat boy lucchi: Yes. William Fagan: Yeah. Yeah. fat boy lucchi: Yeah, sir. I think that's easy, bro. That shit not respected. William Fagan: Yeah, that shit ain't there. Jhalil: That shit don't last, bro. That shit won't last. You get that shit too easy. That shit be gone next week. But when you thug that shit out and you build it up, bro, that shit really last. And you know how to make it last. You know how to adjust it, modify shit, build it, you know man, and and it's gonna work, bro. fat boy lucchi: Thank Mmm. Yeah, I want you on that. Deion: But I think like the way I think about life, right? I think when you align with what you align with Then you gonna get everything, you feel me? Like, but like I done seen niggas that's not wasn't wasn't that and they'll lose their life. You feel me? And it'd be like, damn, when you when you sign up as somebody else and little they join, like you get everything that come with what was supposed to go to them. William Fagan: Yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. fat boy lucchi: Dude. Deion: You see what I'm saying? So like a lot like a lot of street shit, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, damn, you know, I didn't see motherfuckers that I went to school with that wasn't on it at all. But life starts life, and then now, you know, 10 years later, you like, you've been to jail? You was doing this, you carry this, you do what? Like, cold shit. Like, you get what I'm saying? And it's like, damn, like, who intercepted his drawing? fat boy lucchi: Okay. Yeah baby, give me love. Jhalil: No. Deion: Who intercepted our drones. You know what I'm saying? Like I I'm like, I don't be in the blaming, but like the our community really like intercepted our drones. Like each individual probably would be doing something way different. And I know we think about shit like because we went through it, we accept it and we'd be like, no, this is my life. It's how it's supposed to be. Jhalil: Mm-hmm. fat boy lucchi: Yeah Yeah, my life. Deion: But we don't got another flip of a coin to know what that other side even look like. You feel me? So fat boy lucchi: No, yeah William Fagan: Yeah. Well shit. Deion: You know what I mean? So that's why I like to really like dig into like the comparison the you versus you. You know what I mean? Cause I know you're going through your joint and I know how the community is, right? And if I love my brother, I'm gonna tell you the real du. You know what I'm saying? Like and so you you get approached at the store, you like, damn. What do you got initial thoughts? Jhalil: Okay. fat boy lucchi: What you meant? ⁓ yeah. Deion: Like when a motherfucker approach you like yo or might be staring at you from afar or whatever the case may be, I know. fat boy lucchi: Yeah. I used to be on that. I used to be on some Philly shit like, what the fuck? Fuck you looking like fuck? But I had to start real out. Everybody that did do that, they're like, yo, you rap? Yo, you do that? So now I started taking it like, somebody looking at me a little bit too long, what's up, bro, how you? And then it's like, oh, what's up, man? Don't you do, you know what I'm saying? Even if they not on that, oh, what's up, man? Jhalil: Real shit, bro. fat boy lucchi: Like, you just can't, that affiliate mentality, bro, that everybody got it out for you or you just gotta always be on some tough shit, bro. That shit, that shit dead, bro. Deion: Right. Jhalil: Yeah, bro, that shit fuck up the like the essence of this shit, bro, 'cause it's like damn, like, you feel me? Like and especially like ⁓ being somebody that make music, it's like damn, bro, like you putting all bangers, you feel like a course niggas gonna know y'all. You feel me? Like a course niggas gonna see y'all on the videos and you mean. So some people they they still like fat boy lucchi: All right. Jhalil: Too deep in it, you feel me? And that's why we be trying to be on some shit like this. Cause our episode today was like being a little bit vulnerable, you feel me? And and us being able to like communicate and like see outside the box of shit. You feel me? We can't always just think this certain way, bro. Cause like that that one William Fagan: Mm. Jhalil: Look, man, that could be the difference in your career. It could be a motherfucker that's like, yo, dawg, I I was just looking cause I ain't peep who you was, but now I remember. I got this bull and such and such and I wanna plug you in you feel me? But sometimes, bro, the the look it get crossed and then motherfuckers still with the street shit and still in too deep and then that shit'll go left like fat boy lucchi: All right. Jhalil: So it's like, nah bro, we gotta build a community where we can be like, nah, bro, this is what it is. Like I do the music, you do this, you do that, you do this. And we gotta get to know each other a little bit more, bro. You feel me? So niggas can have that comfortability. So it's like, damn, then we can let down our guard and get the shit that we really supposed to be getting out of this drunk. fat boy lucchi: Day. It take a support system. Everybody got to be on board, man. Hand hand, congruently, helping each other. That's the only way it can go up. Stuff might be going good when you're doing it by yourself, but it'll come to a standstill when you ain't got a full team and everybody's supporting you. William Fagan: Yeah yeah. Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Yeah, roast it, bro. fat boy lucchi: It's coming a long way bro, people got your back. Jhalil: Real shit, dog. I was talking to bro earlier and I'm like, damn man, one of my biggest like one of my biggest weaknesses, bro, is like it don't matter how hard shit get and like I be going through shit in the crib or going through shit in the mental and it's like I find it hard to reach out and ask for help with shit. You feel me? And I don't know if that's due to the fact that, you know, like we raised on like, you know, man stand on their own too and You know, men don't ask for help and all that shit. But it's like, bro, if if we don't got each other, who the fuck we got? You feel me? Like, yeah, we we got our women and we got our moms and shit, bro. But like, as the leaders of our community and like the leaders of this shit in general, bro, is black men, cause we gotta be more like you mean more there for each other, like, you feel me? That's something. William Fagan: Yeah. Niggas be thinking like no, he wanna he wanna do that shit for me. I ain't I ain't doing you feel me like a motherfucker won't help somebody like, you feel me? Like and you could like you can know the motherfucker and all that. You be like, I I can't do that shit right now, nigga. fat boy lucchi: And. Jhalil: Real shit, dog. Deion: Oi. Or just thinking about it like is it getty? Jhalil: Mm-hmm. fat boy lucchi: I'm William Fagan: No Deion: Real shit though, you feel me? That's where we come from. You know what I mean? Like wild niggas might not pick up that phone because they like, okay. Yeah, like real shit. William Fagan: Okay. You fuck you my bitch, nigga. Jhalil: Yeah, like they ass out of here. fat boy lucchi: But it's crazy, because that same person, that same person, the helper. William Fagan: Mm-hmm. Deion: He said, nigga, didn't I say text me when you get home? Jhalil: Mm yeah yeah yeah. ⁓ fat boy lucchi: Yes. Deion: I'll be worried about you out here. William Fagan: Hey yo fat boy lucchi: But ⁓ that same person helps somebody he don't know. Jhalil: Yo bro, real shit, dawg. It'll be under the celebrity picture, yo. Happy birthday, man. I'm so happy you turn. It'll be like, yo, calm the fuck down, bro. Real shit. Like, but then you'll shoot a nigga that live next door to you, bro. Come on. Deion: You will be William Fagan: Yeah, yeah, yeah. fat boy lucchi: I don't know what that be about. William Fagan: Yeah. fat boy lucchi: you Yo, niggas shoot they friend. Deion: But don't be blaming us, you know what I mean? Because like we really been programmed, you feel me? Like we really been bambooz. You know what I'm saying? And like we walk around characteristically, you know what I'm saying? Like you holding up a character for real. Like when you walk out top, like if you in the crib and you like this, you funny, you joyous, then as soon as you hit the door, you you fucking Frank Lucas. It's like, bro, why? William Fagan: Mm. Jhalil: That's wild, bro, real shit like fat boy lucchi: No. William Fagan: And Deion: Not disturbing to you that you gotta do that. I feel I left, listen, I left cause that I ain't like that feeling early. I'm like, I'm in the joint, I'm in a game, right? That I play for real, that I put my life on. You feel me? Like I follow these rules, everything. Then I'm seeing like everybody not following these rules. You feel me? Like. William Fagan: Yeah. fat boy lucchi: Mm-hmm. Deion: What the fuck am I out here doing like, you know what I'm saying? Where this not even my shit for real. I ain't make up the streets. I don't I ain't had nothing to do with this drone, but I'm out here playing it like I invented the shit and all that. And I'm carrying it for whoever. You know what I'm saying? I'm carrying it for whoever that made it. Or whatever. I don't even know who originated it. Jhalil: Yeah, real right, bro. We definitely play the game. Niggas ain't make the rules or nothing, bro. Real shit. William Fagan: It's good. Deion: You feel me? Like I know our motherfucking enemies. You know what I'm saying? Like and fat boy lucchi: That's why I bangin' my folks, man. I mean, Scar, he like, I mean, nigga that was in the industry, I mean, hats, all that, you feel me? But you meeting, bro, goofy as shit, act as something, you wouldn't even tell. You can't even tell that he be on dog shit. Like, for real, bro, and people, Jhalil: Yeah, they love that shit though. Re bro, they love that shit. Deion: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Jhalil: Shit, dog. fat boy lucchi: People need to be more like that, feel like, man. Just be yourself, dawg. It'll get you a long way, man. Jhalil: Yeah, that should get you way farther than thinking, bro. Like real shit, dog. Like that should've get you so far, like me being my natural self, bro. Deion: ⁓ you That shit hard though, y'all. Like, that shit, like, if you thinking about your personal self and you thinking on some G shit, like that shit hard, bro. That you versus you be crazy. I was just telling, bro, I've lost so many times. You feel me? Like, I'm in jail. I'm like, bro, that's not even your twist. Like, what are you doing here? You feel me? I said a rap and shit, right? Like. William Fagan: Yeah. Yeah. Deion: Damn, how am I be standing in front of a ⁓ another man giving him like privilege and decision on my life? fat boy lucchi: Yeah. Deion: Like once I got that thought, once I got that thought, I was like, ⁓ I'm I'm leading this joint, bro. This joint going this way now. Like I don't even care how I sound. I don't care who against me. I could be the only nigga on the block. But I'm not doing it, bro. And I'ma stand on it. And most of y'all can't beat me. So fuck is the difference? You get what I'm saying? Like now I'm bringing on some shit. Jhalil: And that's crazy. William Fagan: All right. fat boy lucchi: That was good. William Fagan: Yeah. Deion: You know what I'm saying? Cause if we can do it to each other and we hesitate on the enemy, I'm not with that. You a sucker to me. You feel me? Like, no, let's go at the enemy and let's free our people and let's be on some real G shit. If you're not on that, kick rocks with all that other stuff, cause you just you you kinda just showing how much you hate your own self. fat boy lucchi: another. Jhalil: Yeah. For shit, bro. That's why hitting a certain age you be like, man, like all right, yeah, we did grow up on a certain way, but it's like when you trying to hit your max peak in life and like your real capabilities and all that shit, all that street shit and all that shit, it don't mix right. Like, you feel me? Like that shit ain't bad, you feel me? fat boy lucchi: Dude. William Fagan: Yeah. Right, yeah. Yeah, you start like leaning away from that shit, you know what I'm saying? Like you start that shit start going further and further. Jhalil: And even our niggas that is on some G shit, bro. Even some niggas that is on like real G shit, bro, like and them niggas be cool. They they make it forever and all that, like is a is a place for everybody, bro. But like if you gonna be on some G shit, bro, why not be a soldier for your team? You feel me? Like we on some go at the enemy shit, bro. You yeah, you got hats and you come on, bro. Well, let's let's go hit this real mission, bro, that's going William Fagan: Yeah, you still fall back. Mm. Jhalil: You mean? Like on some shit like that, bro, cause this it's some niggas that's that's meant for that shit too, bro. I ain't gonna lie, dog. Some niggas just got that shit in them, bro. And it's like, hey man, but it's just it's about putting your energy in the right place, bro, and what it's supposed to go to. You feel me? Like so I don't knock I don't knock nobody, like William Fagan: Yeah. fat boy lucchi: That shit still not right though, because it's like all my niggas that do like, you know, still in it, still doing whatever, Bro, them niggas lost time of their life, Lost relationships with their kids, bro. It's halfway relationships, bro. Niggas going 10 years all together. Niggas do two years, come home six months, do two years, come home. William Fagan: Yeah. fat boy lucchi: You feel me? And it's like, it add up. Next thing you know, you done got a dime in your whole life in jail. you get kid 12. Jhalil: Yeah, and I should add up quick. William Fagan: Anyway. Yeah. Jhalil: Yeah, bro. Like that shit was crazy. Y'all remember the boy Southwest, bro. I think his name was like on Malik or something. You remember on Feastman? He used to come around and shit, but I just seen him on the joint. He in the wheelchair and all that shit. I'm like, damn, that's fucked up, bro. Y'all know who I'm talking about? Yeah. fat boy lucchi: It's really like, come on. All William Fagan: And he used to come around. I know you talk about honey, remember he used to come around. fat boy lucchi: Bye. Jhalil: Yeah, he used to come around feast crib and shit. But like I seen him back then, like he was in his prime. He was cool. He was chillin' and all that. But it's like damn, now I see him on the joint, he making the videos about his recovery and trying to walk again and all that shit. And I'm like, damn man, that's fucked up, but like that's how this shit be playing out, bro. It's like that shit really a dangerous game, cause fat boy lucchi: That's how the bull, what's the bull, what's the bull, ⁓ what's the bull, man? ⁓ yeah, you talking about, you talking about the bull, he got hit on loud. Remember, you know, he used to be beating niggas up and all that. Yo, different, bro. William Fagan: Dumper nigga. The The Dumper nigga boy, yeah. Jhalil: Dog, that's what I said. I'm like, damn, bro, back then, you feel me? Like William Fagan: Yeah. ⁓ fat boy lucchi: But that shit don't, that's why you say it, that was, when we just was talking about somebody getting in character more, bro, outside. You feel me? Cause now, he the nicest guy ever, bro. Like, talk to you with dignity and don't be on your own disrespectful shit. Try to lift people up and stuff like that. William Fagan: Yeah. Jhalil: Mm-hmm. fat boy lucchi: when you could have been like that the whole time and you will still be, you know what mean? Regular, like not going through whatever, saying anything. Jhalil: That's good. And that shit look like a hard switch, you feel me, to go from this to that. Like that's that seemed very difficult, man. So if y'all young boys out here looking, man, even even niggas who still in the mix, bro, it's always another way, bro. Even if you don't know how, bro. Go ask the darus nigga that you fuck with that be on some chill shit, bro. Just just tell them, like, yo, listen, man, I know I be on this, but I'm trying to get into that. Like real shit, bro, is is always doors around cause there's always some type of outlet. It's always a ool here. There's always somebody else that you can highlight, bro. Real shit. But that don't gotta be like your your end all the be all, bro. Like the mission in this shit is to grow, like in perspective and age and all that shit, bro. Like you feel me? We wanna leave this shit with something. Leave our family, our kids and shit with something. I don't wanna just d William Fagan: Alright. fat boy lucchi: See you, Megan. Niggas want the BG right out. Jhalil: die in the blaze of glory, you feel me? And then now my people's gotta have a fish fry or my wife gotta do deals and shit so they can bury me and shit. Like, no, bro, that that's not it, cuz fuck that, bro. William Fagan: Right, yeah, that's S. fat boy lucchi: People don't think that far ahead, bro. They just be living in present. They just be living for the day. You feel me? They don't think that far ahead and they always, they gonna want the easy route out, but nobody wanna take the hard route. William Fagan: Yeah, just be loving day to day. Jhalil: Yeah, real shit, bro. And the hard route, I ain't gonna lie, bro, that's the adult route, man. Like this shit real, bro. Like, and it all that cutting corner shit, it's still gonna come a time in life where like you gotta do the hard route to make the shit like the to make it beneficial, like to make it meaningful, bro. It's like you can't skip that part. It don't matter how long you hold it off, you still can't skip it, bro. And it's like, man, that's real shit. William Fagan: No. Deion: Yeah. You know, ⁓ word is like smell of this smell of all of that's like fat boy lucchi: off of them. Deion: Real, you feel me? Like and the language that we use, you feel me, it dictates everything. You get what I'm saying? So if you're saying that it's gonna be hard, that's it's really not hard. The only hard part about it is you accepting the role of adult. Not being adult. Being a adult is easy if you accept the role. Being a father is easy if you accept the role. Jhalil: ⁓ shit. William Fagan: Yeah. Deion: You get what I'm saying? Like being a man is easy if you accept the role, but the hard thing is whether you're gonna accept it or not. Not that ain't ⁓ you get what I'm saying? So yeah. fat boy lucchi: Thank William Fagan: Right, right. Yeah. Yeah. And if you gon' handle responsibility of it, you feel me? Like, that's that's all that shit be. Deion: Right. So is you really gonna step away from the streets or you're not? You get what I'm saying? Because if you're not, then you're gonna make it harder on yourself. Because now you're gonna put in play all of these challenges and shit. You get what I'm saying? You at work and you getting calls about the block all that. You get what I'm saying? So that shit gonna make it troubling. But if you shut that phone down and you like, nah, I'm not on that. William Fagan: Yeah. Jhalil: ⁓ there, but shit. fat boy lucchi: Thanks. William Fagan: Yeah. Deion: Ain't nothing gonna come your way. The the call's gonna stop. That should be so crazy because you'll start feeling that shit like, damn, nigga ain't caught me in a minute. You start like, you know what I'm saying? Like you always gonna be in a space where you challenging your position if you're not solid on it. That's why a lot like Christians can't have conversations with Muslims. They not really solid on their position, so they think it could get infiltrated. William Fagan: Yeah. Deion: You get what I'm saying? And then they might have to change signs. You feel me? Like, same thing when niggas run away from gay conversations and all that. It's like, bro, you terrified you might cross that line, bro. You gotta chill. If you stand on who you is as a man, you don't question your shit. You ain't got I ain't got no problems with that. You feel me? Like, but when you make it like that, then you putting that into the world, like. fat boy lucchi: I'm gonna leave. William Fagan: Yeah. Jhalil: Mm-hmm. fat boy lucchi: Alright. Deion: You get what I'm saying? And should be that s simple. We just make it all difficult. You get what I'm saying? Like and this you versus you shit is for real. Like, you know what I'm saying? fat boy lucchi: John. Jhalil: Yeah, that's the biggest struggle, bro. That's that's really like the the main job, bro, is you versus you. Cause it'll be like, damn, man, there's always this shit going on. This this is that, man. It's always something, but then you like most people never look inside and be like, damn, if I would have just did this last week, I wouldn't even be going through this right now. You feel me? If I would have handled this last year, I I'll be cool for these next two years. So it's like that's that's the moral of the story, bro. Most of this shit that we go through and encounter, bro, is a you versus you. So before like and not not to the bros and hair, you know, we on the same like idea, but like to the people who watching, bro, them people who always go through them things and always pointing the finger, sometimes you gotta look in the mirror, dog. fat boy lucchi: Yeah. Jhalil: It might not even be a crazy fix that you gotta do, but it might be a slight joint. If you always going through the same problem, same problem, same problem, that's nine times out of ten a you verse you problem, bro. That's something that you have to fix so you can stop attracting that problem. You feel me? fat boy lucchi: It's Jhalil: Real shit. So that's that's what we focusing on on the volume shift, man. I'm I'm happy to have the bros in this drone, dog. Like I I appreciate y'all coming through, dog, 'cause you know we gonna kick some real shit while we in this drone. fat boy lucchi: Yeah, I appreciate y'all, man. William Fagan: Yeah, this this really is sturdy joint too, bro. Like y'all conversation and the topics, y'all talking about is some real shit. Like ⁓ I fuck with it real rare. Jhalil: Right, bro. We get on the joint, you know, everybody talking beef and hung on fuck with and all this man versus women shit and all that and all bro. We focus on solutions, bro. Like how can we change this shit? How we gonna get our shit popping how we gon' make each other pop, you feel me? How can we put each other out there in a space where we all connected, you man? That's what this shit is about, bro. Like so we focusing on turning that bullshit down, bro. William Fagan: No. Jhalil: Turn the volume shift up, you know man. fat boy lucchi: They're all positive. Deion: If you ⁓ if y'all can like you got a like a you versus you right now that's like really fat boy lucchi: Bye. Bye, you versus you. Jhalil: Ooh, buck through the change up real quick. William Fagan: Mm-hmm. fat boy lucchi: I don't think. Jhalil: Mm. Deion: No, I didn't really wanna put value to everybody in the room, like, you feel me? William Fagan: Yeah. Deion: And you know, I find that like when you put your shit out and you realize like other people going through it, it makes it less. So that helps too, you feel me? Like and that's the reason why we do need to pick up the phone and holler besides, you know, some some bitches or some bullshit. You get what I'm saying? Like fat boy lucchi: Bye, everyone. Day. William Fagan: Yeah, yeah. Deion: 'Cause 'cause the worst thing that we done seen is now we seeing free somebody or we saying rest in peace somebody. And these conversations could've like prevented all of that. You get what I'm saying? So when I be telling niggas like I can't let my brother die, that's the type shit I be talking about. You feel me? Like, even though I know this in my head, right? I'm like I'm battling all this shit in my head, like, no bro, ain't gonna hear this shit. He ain't gonna hear it. We gonna end up rumbling. Like I say everything not to say the thing, and then he ended up, you mean, and then now I'm full with another set of thoughts that's like, damn, I should have done this. I should. It's like that hesitation. You get what I'm saying? And it's like, nah, like we need to really deal with the internal stuff that's going on. Like when I hear people talk. William Fagan: Yeah. Deion: Like I don't listen for what you say and I listen for what you don't say. fat boy lucchi: Okay. Deion: You understand what I'm saying? Like most times if you call my phone and you talk about somebody else, you ain't talking about yourself one time. fat boy lucchi: Thank you. William Fagan: Mm-hmm. Jhalil: Naking motherfuckers love that, you feel me? This motherfucker, this this. Deion: А новичка, а новичай фаму. William Fagan: ⁓ fat boy lucchi: I'm dead. Deion: Get what I'm saying? And don't hesitate on it, you feel me? Cause I know it's some things that you're going through every day that's like it's that you versus you, man. You feel me? And you gotta make the you of you louder than the you that's like been programmed and you know I'm saying trained by your community, trained by your mom and dad, trained by like your your your peers, trained by William Fagan: Yes. Deion: Like you get what I'm saying? Like a lot of that stuff we operate on be from that that view. fat boy lucchi: Cheers. Deion: People like, hold up, man, like I'm doing all that and I find me in jail. I find me in some bullshit. You feel me? From following that other you shit. And I say the you because it's in you. Like you walk around with it, you know what I'm saying? And we can't like hide or run from it. You get what I'm saying? You gotta really face a motherfucker like I ain't doing that shit, nigga. I'm saying this shit and 'Cause it need to be said, you feel me? And I don't care what's going on, but none of that. fat boy lucchi: So look, my you versus you, right? Like, you know, like, like about 2021 or something, like I was like on my like, not eating no meats, not eating no sugar, you know what saying? Like slimming down and all that. I'll get in a relationship and she not on that and then I'll fall back into eating the way I used to, you know what mean? And getting out of shape. But I always try to, I always just try to say it's that. Like, oh, it's cause of her. It's cause of this, cause of that. But it's not cause of the female. You know what saying? Deion: Yeah, you use the first little thing. fat boy lucchi: I'm sorry. Yeah, I used it. I used that for an excuse, but. Jhalil: Mm. Deion: Doing that. William Fagan: Yeah. Jhalil: So well fuck it. You you wanna go to Dell Frisco? We out man, you come on like William Fagan: My world, anyway. Deion: But how how that shit how that shit feel though saying that shit and you hearing it yourself. fat boy lucchi: I mean... I feel like I always knew it though. You know what saying? It always was in the back of my mind. I'm just putting it out there to make it not on me. You know what saying? like y'all said, got to work from, I got to work from the inside first. You know what I'm saying? And don't even worry about what she doing or you know what I'm saying? Like it don't matter, whatever. Deion: Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. fat boy lucchi: she doing like, matters about what I got going on with them. Like, just straighten it out, you know what I'm saying? Deion: World. Jhalil: She gonna fall in line. They gonna fall in line anyway, bro. Real right. Like 'cause it's like, all right, you you wanna keep cooking this, alright, I'm just not eating that. You feel me? Then that the wild's gonna be like, nah, you can't keep wasting my food. Let me figure out what he really wanna eat. Like, real right, bro. Everything that should start adjusting to how you you mean. So no, it was a good job. fat boy lucchi: My thing is the baby, you know what saying? So it'd be like, oh no, she gotta eat this stuff. It's like she program from how she grew up and shit like that. And it'd be like, oh no, she's not gonna eat this stuff. She gotta grow. She got it, you know what saying? And I be like, yo, you don't need, you can find protein and vitamins and all that a different way than eating the way we eat it, you know what I'm saying? Cause I've been through it, like I've been through it and it was working out for me. But it'd be hard trying to convince somebody that's like, they whole life they've been that way. Deion: Já, né? Jhalil: Dig yeah, I'm still trying to tell my mom and them. I'm like, man, y'all still eating pork, bro. What's up? Like, look like come on, bro. Y'all ain't tired of that shot and showed them the videos. Look what pigs eat. Pigs don't sweat. Dude, they ain't trying to hear that shit. But hey. fat boy lucchi: Mm-hmm. Deion: No, you gotta you gotta give it to us like like baby food and shit. You know what I mean? Like you gotta really find a way to manipulate it into our lives again because we was already manipulated. So you know how like you was drunk and shit, you wake up in the morning, you gotta re-get drunk and then you can like come down off of the shit. Jhalil: Ha ha ha. fat boy lucchi: Yeah. ⁓ No, Roo. Deion: It'd be like that, you know what I'm saying? Like and you know that so the thing you gotta do is like I ain't gonna say what you gotta do. You'll figure yours out. You get what I'm saying? But I know when you dealin somebody that's been in the same pattern, routines and all of that, you just gotta like show difference and make a different routine and make fun, you know what I'm saying, out of it all like And don't make somebody feel like, you know, they should be embarrassed or like they don't know what they doing or you know what I'm saying? Stuff like that. Cause that's when you're gonna get the defense versus, you what I mean, it being accepted. You feel me? You don't want the defense. I don't want the defense. And like I was telling ⁓ Ja earlier, it'd be like when you dealing with people, you gotta have that discernment. William Fagan: Okay. fat boy lucchi: Okay. Deion: To be able to, you know, see who the U is in them. You know what I'm saying? fat boy lucchi: Right. Deion: 'Cause I'm like, listen, that came from your grandmom and them. Jhalil: Yeah, Deion: You know what I'm saying? But you study doing it and this twenty years later it don't fit. Maybe they had to live or eat like that at the time of the crime. You feel me? Like fat boy lucchi: But a lot of them don't be, they don't be no no better man. They be, it was a different time. Jhalil: Yeah, and that's a whole different ball game, like trying to talk to the grandparents and all that, bro. Like that's a whole different job, bro. Like that should be crazy. fat boy lucchi: Again? Thanks. Deion: No, it's all possible and shit. A shoes you got one? William Fagan: ⁓ Yeah, man. I keep ⁓ like I feel like right. Cause I don't like I don't be disciplined enough, right? And then I get ⁓ too excited, right? When I when I'm holding a certain amount, right? Like as far as ⁓ with these fucking cars, bro. Like I keep fucking up, trying to be fast, get a little quick car, cause I don't wanna be on a bus. That shit like I'm embarrassed or I'm not supposed to be on that drone, you feel me? And then the shit don't work out. I'm ending up spending more money, more money than just nigga chill, say the little fifty-five to you feel me, and then get something good. I'll keep being hype every time I get twenty-three or something, try to get a drone, the shit don't work. So it's like all this, cause I don't want somebody look at me a certain way on the bus or some weird shit, nigga. You got a good ass job, like you can just say that shit, get the will, and the same shit keep happening, bro. Like that shit weird, but that shit my fault, bro. Like I keep doing the same shit. I'll be like, what the fuck, bro? Like fat boy lucchi: I feel you bro. Jhalil: No works that William Fagan: Like you know I mean, Lu, like I'll be s soon as I start seeing them like the discipline go out the fucking door, like you feel me, I feel like a dickhead, like. fat boy lucchi: Yeah. Don't let that bus shit bro. Think about it like this, bro. It's people that make six figures, bro, that catch the bus every day to work downtown. You know what I'm saying? It was a time where around 2021, my car, that affinity I had, that joint I took, bro, I was on the bus every day, bro. Jhalil: Real shit, bro. Like they get accept the key, fuck it. Like get it your man, it does what it does. William Fagan: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. fat boy lucchi: I was on a bus for like a month straight coming down. People didn't even know. And then, you know what mean? I stayed down. It's all about staying down. You know what you're doing, bro. It's people that's on the bus. Bro, you see rich white people and all that with skippies on, dicks, sneaks. They got brand new account, bro. William Fagan: Yeah. She Jhalil: Right, motherfucker had sixty five grand in their account real quick. Man, they don't even give a fuck. So yeah. William Fagan: Mm-hmm, you're Yeah. Right, yeah, on the sub and shit. fat boy lucchi: You don't know the explanation, nobody bro, like you doing that shit for you and your family. You got that shit bro. William Fagan: Right, right. Jhalil: Shit. The main thing, bro, you getting to work, getting your coin, bro. Real shit. Like you good, dawg. Real shit. William Fagan: Yeah. Deion: Big name. fat boy lucchi: Half of the time, the people that we... We be looking for like validation and all that, they be in the fucked up position, bro. You just can't tell. Like, boys, many people try and say something or want to bid. Whole time, they going through some crazy shit in the crib. William Fagan: Right. Jhalil: Bro, nigga don't even got no house to go home to or nothing. Like, you feel me? And that'd be the nigga, ⁓ you you still getting on a bus. You you did you ain't got no will yet? You be like, damn, nigga, you still ain't got no house yet. You still ain't pay electric bill yet. You what I mean? Like real, real, you ain't get a notice from Pico yet. You ain't a doubt, nigga. Like real shit. Like this shit happens. William Fagan: Right. fat boy lucchi: Yep. William Fagan: R shit, nigga. Jhalil: Shit happens, bro, and that shit happened to everybody. Like, you man. So yeah, don't even feel discouraged about that shit, bro. It's cool. Cause you saying it like you saying it out loud and not just thinking about it in your head gonna help you in that next run. You gonna be like, nah, I can't grab this little jaw, but no, fuck it, I'ma wait and grab that jaw. Real shit, bro, like damn. William Fagan: Right, yeah, real shit. Stay down, yeah. Deion: But that's like on some like, you know, permanent type get rid of. You gotta really trace that shit. Like figure out like why you feel that way. Who put that who put that in your system? You know what I mean? Like who was the author of this thought? William Fagan: Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right, right. Right. Deion: And when you trace it back like that and you figure that out, then you get deleted. William Fagan: Good. fat boy lucchi: You hear me? Deion: Yeah, then William Fagan: I feel that real shit. Jhalil: And we s and we see John Buck. Deion: Shit, like my battles be real internal, like doubt, fear, you know what I'm saying? Like people pleasing, like shoes and shit. You know what I mean? Like shit, all of the above for real for real. Like, you know what I'm saying? Same shit, Luke going through, you know what I mean? Like and and I think that's that's more of the importance of like why we gotta like reach out and and and fat boy lucchi: Mm-hmm. Deion: And engage with each other more often, right? Because none of this should be similar, you know what I'm saying? And we don't know. And if you sitting by yourself trying to deal with it, that's probably one of my biggest drawings, bro. Like sitting here dealing with it by myself, like you say, you don't call nobody, man. Like I'm not a ball that gonna I overthink. You know what I mean? I over I overthink. So Jhalil: Yeah, bro. That's it hard. Deion: I think about everything in totality like William Fagan: All right. Deion: You know I'm saying? But I'm also a person, a human. So like I tell Jaz and them all the time, like, yeah, y'all calling me all of these things, but at the same time, bro, I don't be in them situations at that time of the crime. So you know what I mean? I'm telling you the truth. Like, listen, I might get into something. I tell you, no violence, this and that. Nigga cross me. You might I'll be choking the shit out of you. fat boy lucchi: Okay. William Fagan: The Jhalil: Real right, bruh, like though. He funny as Deion: You feel what I'm saying? Like it'd be tough. Like that. But but you know, that's the difference between them 1.5 seconds and all that. Like you really gotta be like, calculate that shit that fast. Like, ⁓ this ain't ⁓ no. If I do this, this gonna happen. ⁓ no, it ain't let me get home. You feel me? And what I found out, man, is like in hindsight, a lot of this shit happened in my life because of random. fat boy lucchi: Mm. William Fagan: Yeah. fat boy lucchi: Okay. Okay. Deion: I ain't had no direction for my life. Like you know one of them parents that like, ⁓ you gonna be a doctor, like you know what I mean? And then they align their kids to to do that shit. William Fagan: Really do that shit. Deion: And nothing really come into play unless they wanted to be in play. Our shit was so random that random shit just happened. And we found ourselves in trouble. You feel what I'm saying? But if we had a plan, a destiny for our life, we couldn't have been in them places. Cause we would have been where we needed to be. That's why mom used to always say, Didn't I tell you your ass should have been on a porch? fat boy lucchi: All right. Deion: How the fuck you get down the street now your ass in truck? Like you get what I'm saying? So all of these things that we bypassed and all of that, it's like, no, in hindsight, I see all that shit now. You feel me? Like I it's a fucking everyday battle. It's hard. You feel me? This to be on this one side and really stand on that shit. And then you watch everybody else be like, no, we still on this. William Fagan: Yeah. Deion: After a while, you gonna be on that shit. Like, I fucked it. Like, you know what I'm saying? Fuck it. I'm going back to the party. Like, you know what I'm saying? That shit nutty over there. That's quiet over there, bro. Like, you get what I'm saying? That should be tough. You gotta be sincere and really, you know what I'm saying? Understanding one do this shit. Cause honestly, if you stick to your shit, everybody else gonna end up coming. Jhalil: That's it. fat boy lucchi: Yeah. William Fagan: Yeah. Deion: Eventually like it only could go one or the other way. You either gonna come to my side or I'm gonna go to your side or we gonna split. fat boy lucchi: Thanks. William Fagan: Yeah. Jhalil: Sure. Deion: You get what I'm saying? So right now, I think my my joint the hardest is is that joint, man, really practicing what I preach. You know what I'm saying? Being able to really like ⁓ you feel me and know like kids watching, everybody's watching, but don't you you said all that good shit now you bit me? That should be tight rope. William Fagan: Yeah. Right, yeah. ⁓ fat boy lucchi: Hehe. Jhalil: ⁓ Man, you choking niggas out and all that. William Fagan: No. Deion: It'd be like motherfuckers waiting in the bushes waiting for me to be like I told you niggas, I told you. fat boy lucchi: Ha ha ha! William Fagan: Uh-huh. He said, You talking that shit on the podcast. Deion: But yeah, we're also Jhalil: ⁓ real shit, bro. I ain't gonna deal with this this kind of real creep. Like, bro, ain't nobody if me busting it up like this, bro. And I I know that shit be like kinda it's it's something new, bro, cause you know, we ain't we ain't used to being open with like the shit that we going through and all that, bro. But it's like, man, we all go through the same shit, bro. It's is no need, man. It's the only way to really get through shit, bro. Like William Fagan: The fat boy lucchi: Okay. . Deion: I just say this, right? For us to be having this conversation now and we known each other for that long, I think everybody individual lives had to line up and you had to go through some more shit. And now your ears is ready to hear it. And that's the time that you're gonna get shit, man. You feel what I'm saying? I be looking at Gil and them like you could get mad and say people blackballed you for all them years. William Fagan: Yeah. Yeah. Deion: But I'm kinda thankful because if you would have got that money early. We don't know. You see what I'm saying? But I also always say, like, if you if you mishandling a dollar, don't keep expecting that you gonna get a mill, let alone another bean. You feel me? Like you mishandle a dollar. Why would you think you should get a bean? William Fagan: Yeah, well no you yeah. fat boy lucchi: I'm around. Okay. William Fagan: Yeah. But ⁓ fat boy lucchi: All right. Jhalil: Real shit, dawg. William Fagan: Well shit. Jhalil: Yeah man. Real shit, dog, but yeah. Yeah, I I went a little earlier though. I don't know if loot was on there, but like my man you versus you, bro, is like fat boy lucchi: You be having a ju- You be having a ju- Hey, what's it do? William Fagan: Jas, you went, jazz. Jhalil: If I'm just afraid, but like I find it hard to reach out and ask for help. You feel me? Like that's that's my main thing, bro. Like, I don't like I feel like I'm so independent and like, man, I've been I've been doing business for long and I know how to run it up real quick, but it's certain things, bro, that is like I have help right on the other side. I have help from various motherfuckers, everything, but it's just like William Fagan: Well right. Mm. Jhalil: Me thinking too much, like, damn, I don't even wanna bother them with that. Or I don't even, you know, man, I don't want hair to know or none of that shit. You feel me? So like that shit be cooking me sometime. Why you be yo, why you don't just reach out to Blo? I'll be like, ⁓ I don't really, you mean it's cool, I'ma figure it out. And then that shit, instead of it just being a one block, just turn the corner, that shit be 2.3 miles. William Fagan: Right, right. Mm-hmm. fat boy lucchi: Interjection here. William Fagan: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. Jhalil: four different bla like all this other shit where I could have just, yeah, man, just put my big boy pants on and just made a few calls, you feel me? So that's that's my main thing and I feel like in this point in life, bro, like I gotta get out of that shit, bro, cause I built a network of motherfuckers that's like on the same shit that I am. I got my bros, I got people that I do business with, everything, you feel me? So I shouldn't even be putting that shit in my own head. William Fagan: Right. Right. The Jhalil: Like you feel me? So that's my shit and that's what I gotta get out you feel me? William Fagan: Yeah. fat boy lucchi: Yeah, that shit, that could, like, cause I feel the same way, bro. And that could come from like trauma, bro. Not saying that's trauma, trauma, but like you deal with rejection so much when you was at your lowest, Like, bro, at my lowest, bro, you know I'm saying? Nobody was on your side, nobody. And then it's like, soon as you start to make solutions and all that. William Fagan: ⁓ fat boy lucchi: The times you do need help, you like, nah, I'ma just make my solution, bro. It ain't even worth me reaching out, because that rejection shit hurt. Like, that seems somebody that you love or somebody that you did for. You know, somebody you was dead for, that shit hurt, like. William Fagan: Mm-hmm. Jhalil: Yeah, right, right, bro. William Fagan: Yeah. Jhalil: Real shit, dog. So like obviously as Deion: It's not it's not really the rejection that hurts, like your perception of the rejection hurts. how you perceive like what happened. You get me? Cause that's the that's what's connected in the trauma. fat boy lucchi: But... Jhalil: Yeah. Cause even if a motherfucker say no, I can't do it, you feel me? That's different than like, no, fuck out of here. Why would you ask like motherfuckers ain't even gonna be like that, bro? You feel if it's somebody that's you cool. Deion: How you remember that that didn't happen. William Fagan: Okay. Right, right, right. Yeah. Jhalil: Ain't even gonna be like that. It's either they can or they can't, you feel me? And it's like with me personally, I gotta just get out of that shit, bro. And I I know for sure, like, so if if y'all are watching this shit, bro, I know a lot of the bros go through this shit, dog. And this it's something that that's why we having this conversation, bro. Like, we building these relationships and our communities up. So then like we don't gotta feel like that, you mean? We don't gotta feel left out. Like. fat boy lucchi: . . Jhalil: But that shit definitely is a trauma, bro. And that shit could have been from back in the day. You you asking for toys at the store. Mom Dukes ain't got it right now. Feel me? She told you before we went in, listen, I got money for food. We gonna do this. You still want this Spider-Man is is the no. You feel get the little curse out or whatever. And that shit carry you, bro. So it's like, now as men growing through this shit, bro, like we gotta be able to face them law. fat boy lucchi: . . Jhalil: You versus you, bro, cause that'd be the that'd be the difference. Like that's the difference that's holding us back, you feel me? Deion: In your teenage years, you must have said, too, right? Like, once I get to this age and I'm able to make my own money, and then nobody gotta tell me no. You feel me? Like, if you locked in on that joint, then that's probably how you're gonna carry it. You know what I'm saying? Like, and that's how we Jhalil: I ain't asking nobody. William Fagan: Yeah. Deion: That's why I tell women, like, that's why men so vulnerable. Cause it's like, once that little jaw hurt your heart when you was a young boy, it's like you carrying it like that. You ain't trying it. But I tell you this too though, like, the way we help bro, is now that we heard that from Jaws, like, we gotta call him. fat boy lucchi: Thank you. William Fagan: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I fight these Jhalil: Right. fat boy lucchi: Go William Fagan: Yeah. Yeah. fat boy lucchi: Alright, alright. Deion: So now you delete why you even got a battle with that, because now your niggas is calling. You you see what I'm saying? Like you ain't gotta worry about calling out for help because we already calling. So you alleviate, you delete that shit. You see what I'm saying? Like, and this is how we help each other, you get what I mean? Like, and you don't know that you can do this, this is capable, then I get it. But now we having this conversation and we shifting the volume, like. fat boy lucchi: works. William Fagan: Yeah, yeah. Deion: You know, we gonna be held for for what we say, what we we what we understand and know now. You feel me? Before you ain't know, you can't be accountable for it. But now that we in the know, we all gotta be accountable for it. You feel what I'm saying? And the wise man once said it, you feel me? Like a no is the next opportunity, you know, next you can play with that how you want, you feel me? Just to make it feel better about the no. William Fagan: Yeah. fat boy lucchi: Mm-hmm. William Fagan: For sure. fat boy lucchi: Thank Deion: You get what I'm saying? And then at the same time, you feel me like no is a part of knowledge. Dispel it. fat boy lucchi: Yeah, yeah. Deion: You feel what I'm saying? So a lot of people, we like, like I told y'all about these words and spelling and language. It's like, we gotta understand this shit. Cause that be a lot of why our shit the way it is, because we using language that's not ours. And we just speak it on shit. And then when it's coming in results in our lives, we like, you don't even think about it like that. William Fagan: Yeah. fat boy lucchi: Do you need, you need knowing your life though, because if you don't, then it's gonna be entitlement. You're gonna feel empowered at everything, you, you got me? Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Yeah, bro shit. Deion: Mm-hmm. William Fagan: Right, yeah, I don't fucking think everybody pulled say yeah, like Jhalil: Exactly. fat boy lucchi: to where it's though, you know what saying? Even for me, on my journey, when I was 23, some shit like that, I was down on my luck, all that, and nobody really was dead for me. I'm talking about my family. No cap, bro. I was saying shit to myself like, damn, what if I get shot? Everybody gonna fuck with me? Deion: Yeah. fat boy lucchi: I'll get shot. That's people be on my dick. I'll get shot. Bro, a week later, I got shot. Deion: Mm. fat boy lucchi: You feel me? And then... Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: Yeah. fat boy lucchi: Couple months after that. I was in the worst situation. It was worse. You know what I'm saying? I wound up being homeless. Being in the streets and then it's like... I feel like what I went through, those trials and tribulations made me to a man who filled me and that put me in the same category with you, like when you don't want to ask nobody for nothing. Because I extended my hand out for help and nobody was there. So it's like... Deion: Mm-hmm. Jhalil: Yeah, that shit sucks. fat boy lucchi: I made my, yeah like I strengthened myself back up bro. I made my own muscles bro. Like you feel me? Like, that's why I be wanting to ask somebody for nothing. Or even ask somebody for advice or just be on some vulnerable shit. What I'm going through or it's just, that's how it is man. It ain't right though, you know what I'm Cause it's people that grew up with tight-knit families, tight-knit everything, They couldn't tell you what this shit feel like. William Fagan: Right. Right. Jhalil: Yeah, bro. Right, bro. fat boy lucchi: But if they couldn't go through no shit like that, they'd probably kill themselves. William Fagan: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Jhalil: Yeah. And that's a re that's like a big reason, bro. A lot of people do kill themselves, bro. William Fagan: And and they kill they self or or stay in that fucked up position. Like, you feel me? Really built yourself back up, like you said, bro, that shit. Like three sixty, you feel me? Like real rap. Like that shit really like, you feel me, like you said, make you made you a man, like it made you like fat boy lucchi: ⁓ William Fagan: Alright, I ain't gonna ask nobody for nothing, but I'm damn sure it never gon' be in this position again. fat boy lucchi: Bye! Jhalil: Yeah, real shit, bro. Like that's the grit that it takes to be like to be a leader of a family, to be the man in your house and all this shit, bro, cause you gotta understand shit gonna be real, bro. Sometimes like it might have been years before, but that situation, bro, that shit build you up with this grit, this like this this like type of armor where it's like, alright, bro, this is how I gotta move now. William Fagan: Yeah. Jhalil: You feel me? And like everybody got that out like not that same situation, but everybody got a situation that that make you tougher like that, bro. Real shit, dah. fat boy lucchi: Yeah William Fagan: Good, good. fat boy lucchi: Right, right. That make you who you are and make you... Even the shit I went through when I was a kid, my dad, you feel me, my mom, like, if I didn't go through none of that stuff, I wouldn't be who I am today. Deion: Yeah. William Fagan: Alright. Jhalil: Yeah, real shit. fat boy lucchi: You know what mean? So I tried not to even like, like I had talks with my dad, my mom and shit. I'm just like, yo, I forgive y'all and all that. Like it just, I know I wouldn't be who I am right now if it wasn't for the situations. You know what I'm saying? So I don't even fault, I don't even fault them. I don't fault nobody, bro. Like it is what it is. My mama always say, bro, nobody, you can't expect nobody to be you. William Fagan: Yeah, yeah. fat boy lucchi: You know what saying? Nobody is you. So you can't be expecting you from somebody else. William Fagan: Yeah. Right, feel how you feel or what you would do. Jhalil: Yeah, so fat boy lucchi: Yeah. What you would do or just like, for example, just because you out the contents of your heart, you did something for somebody or was there with somebody, don't mean that they the type of person that would think like that or move that way. They probably do it in a different type of way, not like how you would do it. You know what saying? William Fagan: But ⁓ But Deion: Right. I just say too, just to add on, like everything in in our lives individually happened for us. You know what I mean? So even if it's what we perceive to be the harshest thing, but just not that you know to live on the streets and not have a home and have people and you can't Jhalil: Yeah, man. Deion: You know what I mean? Get nothing from ⁓ or what have you, but it's like it's more or less about life showing you stuff and equipping you with stuff. So I just a add on, just that don't have no no venges or or bitterness or any of these things that ⁓ take away the blessings that came from it. You get what I'm saying? Like, you know, we accept the good in life but we fat boy lucchi: That's it. Deion: We be hussy on the on the bed, but the bad is what we're what will really get like give us everything. You get what I'm saying? And so it's like, but we gotta look at it in a way that is for me. Not that it got something else attached to it. Cause that's why we be at each other so much. Cause we not looking at, ⁓ I went through this. I'm grateful that you put me out the house at this age. fat boy lucchi: Yeah, it shape you up. Deion: It showed me X, Y, and Z. I'm a quick man to deal with this in life. You know what I mean? But if you look at it like, ⁓ you bitch, you shut me out. I'm your only son. Why would you do that? You know what I mean? You gonna live in that for the rest of your life. You gonna be forty-three talking about your mom kick you out. You just fat boy lucchi: Right. William Fagan: Yeah, yeah. Deion: Now who losses that hers or yours that you just lived three fucking years of your own life? William Fagan: But you always fat boy lucchi: Thanks. Deion: You know what I'm saying? Like you got that's why I'd be like, Life is a little tricky, you gotta understand how I look at this shit. You get what I'm saying? Like, and you'll perceive it in a whole different way, and everything else will start unlocking and like opening up for you. Cause now you walk in your walk. That's what they probably meant when the Jesus walked on water, like you know what I'm saying? Like William Fagan: Okay. fat boy lucchi: Dude. Deion: His whole story was like he going against what with what the social norm was. But he had to stand his ground and take the beatings and do all that to show that it was another side. You feel me? Now we just we just accept it. We be like, ⁓ this is how it goes. And we gonna be the best, whatever it is in the game. You know what I'm saying? Like, I say this last thing, motherfuckers like, ⁓ you cheated on me, this and that. It's like, nah, they ain't cheat on you. They cheated life. fat boy lucchi: Yeah. ⁓ Deion: You know what I'm saying? Like you cheated yourself out having a a loyal, ⁓ progressive relationship. Nobody else you did that. You feel me? So nobody else should take that on but you. And you should understand that decision you made and and feel that. You feel what I'm saying? And most times you can see it. Like they should don't get greater later. If they make decisions like that, you feel me? William Fagan: Right. Right. fat boy lucchi: If you know that. You know that phrase. Deion: You cheat in the formation. You cheat in the formation of a family and how it's pop properly put. Now you're wondering why your family not properly operating. You cheated it. fat boy lucchi: We said it a couple times, you know that phrase, like yo, something happened in some way, man. That's life. Bro, every time somebody say that, it's because somebody went through that shit already. William Fagan: Yeah. Right. fat boy lucchi: You know what saying? Like that's life. Somebody, know how to fucking catch AIDS? Damn, sorry to hear that. That's life. It's life, man. Somebody, you know what saying? William Fagan: Yeah. Deion: I just cut it off though, but I'll say, like, it's not they saying it in a sense because it's a fast forward button. If you say it, it's no combat to it. Because life is so so it's an easy cop out to be like, nah, that's just life. And you ain't gonna deal with nothing. You just gonna accept whatever comes, cause that's just life. And that's the trick. It's like, no. William Fagan: Right. Right, yeah. Deion: That ain't just life. You made that decision. You did this. You're not gonna cop your way out by just saying that it's life. If that's life, then it's gonna be your life for the rest of life. You get what I'm saying? So hey, nah, that ain't that ain't life. That's people making fucked up ass decisions and then now it's spilling on to life. fat boy lucchi: Right, right. William Fagan: Yeah yeah. Deion: And to to cop out and and save face or do whatever they just saying is life. Like white people to not deal with racism, they gonna say, ⁓ You feel me? Whatever they say is like, ⁓ yeah, y'all black, y'all this, yeah, you know what I mean, but y'all got this now. You feel what I'm saying? Like, like takeaway from anything else. You get me? It's an easy way just to like fat boy lucchi: All right. Deion: You know what I'm saying? Strug somebody the fuck off. Like it's the same thing we do too. What's up, bro? How you been? Like, man, I'm cool, I'm chilling. Like you going through anything, but just to get past that law shit, you out. Like you said, the burdens on you out, all right? I'm good, bro. Jhalil: Okay, I'm good. fat boy lucchi: I don't know where it Deion: You got to hell. ⁓ wow. But old time you don't know that this is why you doing this. Jhalil: Rare shit. ⁓ Deion: You know what I'm saying? So how can you ever know? The best type of slave is the one that don't know he is slaving. William Fagan: Mm. Deion: You know what I'm saying? And we all know that we slaves, so we the best ones. You get me? You get what I'm saying? Jhalil: ⁓ shit. No, bruh. This was a Greek combo though, man. It's time to wrap it up though. We're gonna have to have a part two or something, cause y'all gotta slide back on us, man. fat boy lucchi: Yeah, yeah, I'll work. William Fagan: ⁓ this jaw was on a on a fucking stack, you feel me? Like Yeah, I'm trying we gotta do this shit again real right, y'all. We can we come back on man? Deion: Yeah, we get my fat boy lucchi: We will. Jhalil: as old man. fat boy lucchi: Let's get a set of time in the deep, I'm in it. Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: Sure, for sure, man. Yo, but before we go though, man, shout out y'all new projects real quick again, bro. fat boy lucchi: Bye, shoot. William Fagan: Yeah, alright, I got some shit dropping. Probably within two months, I'ma drop the tape. It's gonna be called MME Me. You feel me? Nine bangers. That shit coming in the meantime, I'll probably drop like two visuals. ⁓ I at shoes.mme. Y'all gonna y'all gonna see me. fat boy lucchi: Yeah, my shit, I'm dropping a tape. It's called, Eatin' Like A Dine. I'll probably drop it sometime in June. sometime this month, probably the end of this month, Eatin' Like A Dine. You know what I'm saying? Do some visuals or some rollouts, some skits, getting into the little comedy thing just to build up some traction and just up from there, man. Get with me, FatboyLucci. On the Gram, Fatboy, Loochie and everything else, Jhalil: Dig dick man. We looking forward to both of y'all projects, man. We already know it's gonna be some heat and it's summertime, so let's get it, man. Deion: Yeah. William Fagan: Sure. fat boy lucchi: Yes, sir. Deion: I definitely appreciate y'all brothers, man. Jhalil: Merci. fat boy lucchi: Appreciate you too, my boy. Jhalil: Right, just William Fagan: Appreciate y'all, man. I get with y'all, man. Jhalil: No doubt and this is the volume shift. Deion: Hold on two real quick.