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The Legend of Flannel Man: Haunting or High Strangeness · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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  But then if he sees you notice him, he gets kind of like startled.
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  And then like sometimes that's when he'll disappear or like run away.
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  The audacity.
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  Oh I'm sorry, did I scare you?
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  Yeah, my own house.
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  So it's kind of like one of those ones like which one of you is the ghost, you know?
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  I'm him.
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  I feel confident.
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  I don't need to phone a friend.
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  Yeah.
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  Final answer.
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  You're fluffer.
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  Hi, Caitlyn, you mother fluffer.
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  Hi Cassie.
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  Hi creepy people.
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  Hello.
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  I can see Caitlyn's whole face with both my eyes.
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  It's insane.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah, if you're not watching the video, we got new low profile mic stands.
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  Yes.
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  And we can see each other.
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  I'm so excited.
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  So excited.
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  Yeah.
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  I've never been more excited actually.
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  I was so excited.
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  So excited.
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  Well, this is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat about true crime, the paranormal and
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  all things spooky in the Pacific Northwest.
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  We're the PNW, if you're nasty.
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  And we know y'all.
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  So nasty.
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  So nasty.
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  We also do a tarot reading in every episode to give a little bit of deeper insight into our
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  topic and have a little witchy fun.
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  Yeah.
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  So stick around if you want to have a little witchy fun with us.
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  Did we talk about the board?
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  We talk about that.
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  I don't know if we officially talked about the roadcaster pro two.
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  I can't remembe, but we got.
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  Sponsor us.
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  Or whatever, you know, like no big deal.
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  Give us the new camera one for free.
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  That would be awesome.
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  That would be amazing.
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  Yeah.
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  So we were having issues recording with, you know, fancy mics recording into garage band,
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  you know, free is great.
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  Get ready to do it while you can.
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  But it gets frustrating after a while when things aren't going right.
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  So we needed one to just make our brains more sane.
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  And she pretty.
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  She is party.
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  She's so party.
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  Well, that's all I had.
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  You're trying to stall.
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  No, I'm just kind of like, I'm just still like a little bit like glamored by our, I am
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  too.
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  Our new stuff.
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  I've just like settled in though.
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  I just sat down and I'm like, yeah, this is light.
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  This is how life should be.
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  I'm happy as a clam over here.
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  It's good timing.
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  It's good timing.
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  You know what else is good timing?
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  Me getting rid of my severe fucking cystic acne before my whole face is like shown to
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  you guys.
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  That's why I've been hiding behind my mics and my pop filters.
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  But now, you know, I have a couple of you probably see them, but I don't think so.
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  Overall, I look better.
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  If anyone's struggling with cystic acne, check your medications.
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  Really common side effect.
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  Yeah.
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  Really common side effect for anti-depressants, certain anti-depressant medications.
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  So real bummer.
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  Yeah, you know, but you know, having acne on your face makes you even more depressed
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  than the pill helps.
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  So I would argue.
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  I would argue.
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  Yeah.
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  That's sort of like if you, there's other anti-depressant or I mean, they're used for a lot of
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  other applications, but there's, it's the class of medications called SSRIs where it
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  affects like your sex drive.
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  Oh.
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  Essentially like it'll lower your libido, but it also, and this is crazy.
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  It can actually like a very commonly reported side effect of it is that like you actually
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  have difficulty in climaxing.
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  Oh no.
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  Yeah.
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  And it's like, okay, so I'm not depressed, but I'm like, how does that make sense?
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  You need that to not be depressed too.
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  So like, yeah, I feel like that's kind of a bummer.
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  Like that's a terrible side effect.
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  Yeah.
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  Sometimes I like to start things off with dad jokes and this is in fact one of those times.
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  Okay.
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  This is actual dad joke material from an actual dad, my dad.
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  Oh boy.
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  Who taught me all I know about dad jokes.
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  All right.
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  So my dad was telling me about some spooky things that happened to him and he like, he's
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  in the woods a lot.
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  He lives around the woods.
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  So I asked him if he has ever seen a not dear.
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  And if you don't know what a not dear is, we've kind of talked about it a little bit before
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  with Cristina, I think.
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  Yeah.
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  Sounds familiar, but it's just like a deer that there's just like something off about it.
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  Okay.
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  Okay.
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  That's kind of what I remembered.
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  Like it like moves weird.
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  Yeah.
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  It'll like stand and walk on two legs or it'll like have like a face that kind of looks
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  human.
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  It's just like not right.
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  It's exactly what it sounds like.
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  It's like a deer, but it's like not.
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  So he says to me, I see one.
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  Every day, every single day, when I go out into the woods and there's not a deer there.
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  Oh my god.
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  I fucking walked straight into that dad joke.
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  Yeah.
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  I did that to my own self, but that was gold.
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  Thank you, dad.
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  Oh, man.
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  I'm actually kind of annoyed that I didn't really see that coming.
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  I didn't let the time either.
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  I know.
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  I was like, wait a minute.
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  You know what those are.
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  You've seen a not deer.
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  Like you have to tell me.
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  And then he pulls that one over on me.
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  And I was like, that was good.
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  That was good.
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  Man, props to you, dad.
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  Yeah.
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  Thanks.
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  Thanks, dad.
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  Thanks.
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  So I thought that was kind of, you know, fall related and fun to start with before I scare
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  the crap out of you.
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  Okay.
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  I feel like I'm building up a tolerance though.
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  I hope so.
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  I mean, I have to be because we just did the ghost tour and that is true.
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  You didn't really freak out.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, I did part of the time that you weren't really aware of.
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  Yeah.
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  I don't know that Chris really caught it on any of our recording stuff, but I, because I intentionally
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  I was just saying it to him because I was like, oh my gosh, I don't want to be like every
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  time something happens, be like, oh, you know, like it's too much.
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  No, it's not.
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  It's never enough.
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  I don't know that I just was like, yeah, so it's funny that you should say that because I
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  was seeing that and then you started talking about it like five minutes later.
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  I don't want to give anything away.
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  I mean, this comes out after that.
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  So they'll have heard, but we haven't reported about it yet with us.
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  I kind of know what you mean, but I haven't heard the whole story yet.
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  So yeah, I'm being intentionally big.
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  Yeah.
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  But you all, you all know by then.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Wow.
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  Wow.
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  Okay.
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  So before we officially start the story, I used another podcast called Strange for Milliers
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  for most of my research because this is mainly where these stories that I'm focusing on are.
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  Ooh.
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  They're collecting all of these stories and working on speculations about it and even riding
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  a book.
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  Ooh.
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  Ooh.
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  And so I went through and I listened to, there's probably ten episodes.
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  With like multiple different stories.
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  I went through and listened to all of them and like took notes about it and they are so
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  interesting.
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  There's so much detailing these stories.
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  Like I'm not even touching like the tip of the iceberg here.
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  Well, I'm touching the tip of the iceberg, but I'm not going below the surface.
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  Yeah, just the tip.
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  So please go over there to Strange Familiars.
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  You can just in their little search bar.
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  It's a little search.
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  Oh, I almost told you what it was.
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  Search what this topic is.
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  Okay.
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  And then find all of the stories.
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  They're so interesting.
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  Oh my gosh.
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  I had fun listening to hours and hours of these stories.
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  It's okay.
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  Great.
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  I go hard on my research, you guys.
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  Yeah.
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  Because there's not really a lot written about it.
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  Yeah.
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  There's like a couple other podcasts I see that did it.
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  I didn't really listen to those because I was like, well, I'm going to go through like the
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  main source and figure all this out for myself.
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  But there's like not a lot of articles.
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  There's some Reddit stuff that I'll link to, but okay.
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  That's about it.
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  I know.
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  So exciting.
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  Everything's exciting today.
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  Yeah.
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  You're really excited.
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  You're just excited about being excited, even.
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  I'm very excited all these days.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, I wanted to tell you that I was listening to a podcast for my research because I was
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  using Spotify.
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  Oh.
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  It was acting so fucking weird.
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  Like yeah.
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  I was constantly listening to podcasts and stuff and it gets weird.
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  Sometimes you know, there needs to be an update stuff glitches, but this was like, yeah.
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  Consistently weird.
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  Acting through the whole thing.
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  So it was being like slow and I would go to click something and it like wouldn't click.
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  It would click like 30 seconds later, but like not even where I pushed my finger.
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  Oh, weird.
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  Yeah.
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  So you know, when you're listening to stuff, you want to like rewind.
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  Yeah.
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  So I was just fast forward.
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  So I was fighting with it the entire time.
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  So it took me like probably 10 times longer than it should have.
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  So I was fighting with the whole time.
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  So I just thought that was interesting.
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  It was updated.
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  So I don't know.
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  I had full 5G bars.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  I was going to say because the other issue that you have is like not having very good.
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  Yeah.
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  Okay.
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  Now are you ready for the story?
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  Maybe.
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  Or kicking November off with a fall fashionista phantom.
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  Ooh, Flannel Man.
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  Now I see why you wanted me to have the flannel.
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  Am I getting it?
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  Okay.
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  Listen, I meant to ask you this before.
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  I was afraid.
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  I didn't have any flannel in my closet, but I was afraid that if I put on something flannel,
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  like I was like, she's like trying to trick me.
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  It's going to be like somebody like a ghost that haunts people wearing flannel or something.
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  So now that I know, well, I guess I don't know.
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  I guess that's my question.
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  Listen, I'm panicking.
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  Okay.
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  You don't know yet.
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  Should I be wearing flannel or should I not?
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  I mean, it's really up to you.
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  I don't like that answer.
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  If you want to take the chance and go put some flannel on, I know.
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  I'm not a risk taker.
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  It is flannel man.
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  So it is about some entity wearing flannel.
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  So it's not about someone who haunts people in flannel.
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  If you need to go put some on.
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  If I get chilly, then I'll go grab my little grandma shawl.
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  Okay.
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  Not blanky.
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  But you are sufficiently dressed for fall, I think.
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  You got the call color edge going on.
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  So I think you're cool.
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  First mentioned in a paranormal forum long ago in the depths of the interwebs,
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  flannel man is seen all over the US and even in the UK.
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  But in the US, he's seen from Minnesota to Ohio, from Florida to Kentucky and Texas.
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  And yes, even right here in the go to flannel lovin’ nasty PNW. From California through Oregon
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  up to Washington and over to Montana.
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  ...
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  Look you guys.
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  I know geography.
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  Geography.
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  I just named places up and over.
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  Yeah, you're like, "Yeah, over there."
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  So when I say Flannel Man, what do you think this guy looks like?
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  A lumberjack.
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  Exactly.
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  It looks like a lumberjack.
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  And of course I became obsessed as soon as I heard the word flannel man.
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  I was like, "Who is this?
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  Who is this man?
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  I need to find him."
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  She's in love.
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  Unfortunately, I've never seen him yet.
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  It's always tomorrow.
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  There is always tomorrow or tonight or right now, just kidding.
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  Okay.
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  Well, I have a camera at the front door now.
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  So fancy.
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  Flannel Man, you can't creep outside of Caitlyn's house.
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  Yeah.
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  Most often, people ranging from children to adults, so pretty much everyone, see a man in
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  a flannel shirt.
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  And it's not just plain flannel though, it always has a plaid pattern on it.
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  So like the typical, like what you would think about a lumberjack wearing.
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  It's usually the red and black buffalo plaid that we're all used to.
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  Even though it's usually like the red and black plaid, the colors do vary from story to
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  story.
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  So sometimes people have seen him in like a white and black plaid or a brown or even like
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  a blue green.
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  And I was just going to ask you about blue.
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  Yeah.
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  Blue green.
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  Okay.
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  And but it is always like a plaid pattern.
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  He's almost always wearing blue jeans and boots and described us looking like a lumberjack.
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  Okay.
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  Typical lumberjack.
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  And a couple people even say he has an axe, which kind of side note reminds me of something
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  that me and my friend made up as a child.
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  I don't know if I've mentioned it before on here.
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  I don't know if this is a thing people do anymore, but we would like sleep outside in the backyard
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  on the trampoline.
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  Like all the time.
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  Yeah.
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  Like trampoline.
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  I would now camping, you know?
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  Yeah.
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  But there was like this creepy neighbor's house and it was like all overgrown and stuff.
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  And we used to say that axe man lived over there and the axe man was going to come for us.
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  I don't know where this can't like I don't know where I heard it.
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  I don't know where she heard it or if we just like made up this scary axe man thing,
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  but it obviously in my mind, he looked like a lumberjack and he probably was wearing like
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  plaid flannel jeans and boots with an axe.
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  We didn't I don't remember ever seeing him.
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  Did you just manifest the flannel man?
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  Am I the reason for the flannel man?
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  Am I the drama?
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  I think there are sightings like before I was born.
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  Okay.
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  Or maybe like when I was like really young.
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  I mean it could have been like past life you though because I feel like every iteration
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  of you in every dimension loves a lumberjack and I flannel man from a past life.
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  Oh, I don't know.
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  Yeah, I don't know.
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  I don't know.
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  I do love flannels.
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  Yeah.
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  You do love a good flannel.
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  It's very Seattle.
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  It's funny you say that.
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  Yeah.
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  Okay.
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  That might come back around later.
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  Okay.
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  And I've about me kind of most describe him as having a like longer dark hair and a beard.
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  And I assume when people say longer hair they just mean like longer than like a short typical
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  man hairstyle.
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  Maybe.
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  So not like long but like just like longer than short I guess.
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  I was going to say do we get any sort of specificity around that?
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  There is a variety.
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  A lot of people just say he had longer hair.
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  But there is some of them do have specific like it was shoulder length.
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  It was this it was that but yeah, just longer than normal and usually kind of like not very
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  neat.
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  Okay.
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  It bothers me when people say things sometimes like and I'm probably guilty of it too.
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  I feel like sometimes we just expect people to finish our thought for us or we don't even
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  realize it anyways.
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  It bothers me when people say things like oh you know it's longer but like what?
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  Right.
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  Exactly.
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  Like that.
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  Like there should be a then yeah and then some other I think they mean they longer than normal
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  but which is like that's so subjective.
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  Right.
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  Like normal for military normal for someone who lives in the woods for 50 years alone.
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  Like what is normal?
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  Okay.
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  I think like one one or like two people described as being like really like pretty long
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  hair like shoulder length.
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  Yeah.
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  But I think somewhere between shoulder length and short is like what most people see.
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  We're really going on about the hair.
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  You know, I feel like maybe I maybe I did need my full regimen of meds today.
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  It's the Leo in you though.
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  You're just like obsessed with hair.
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  That's the thing.
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  Oh, is that a thing?
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  It's a Leo thing.
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  Yes.
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  You're really.
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  Oh, that makes so much sense.
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  Yeah.
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  And I'm like a Leo of venus Leo.
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  So like Venus is all about like your appearance and like lovely things and so like I'm also
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  kind of obsessed with hair.
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  So I get it.
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  It makes sense for us.
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  But this is kind of where things start to vary even more from story to story.
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  So some have seen him as blonde instead of with dark hair.
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  Most mostly with dark hair but a couple have seen him as blonde.
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  Others see him wearing different kinds of hats.
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  Some see him wearing like old-timey type of goggles.
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  Kind of like leather goggles.
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  I'm not sure what they would have been for but people just describe them as like old-timey.
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  Like he's like rocking a steam punk.
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  That's like where my mind went.
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  I'm not under percent sure what the goggles were.
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  Yeah.
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  They're like also he I don't know if this is important at all but he's wearing like a
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  plate.
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  Dr. Mask you know it's fine.
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  Everything's fine.
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  It's all it's not that noticeable on your face.
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  Yeah exactly exactly.
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  I love it.
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  That's kind of funny though because someone one of the stories it was like when she was a
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  little kid and like the little boys that were with her were like are these night vision
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  goggles and I'm like I don't think so funny but they're night vision goggles.
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  Oh my god.
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  Those are like those are noticeable on your face no matter what stuff others tell you.
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  Yeah.
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  Listen don't believe everything you see on TV.
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  Yeah.
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  The Beards range in description too so they range from short neat to very long and unkempt.
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  Okay.
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  Well that's where I'm like okay.
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  Different times of year maybe.
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  Maybe.
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  I mean obviously we're not everyone's not seeing the same exact guy.
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  It's kind of like hat man feel because like hat man is described kind of you know where
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  you're very various different hats you know it's kind of like that type of thing so it's
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  not the same exact entity everyone is seeing.
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  Obviously that's kind of what I gather from listening to all the these stories but that
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  was like one of their theories as well.
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  Okay.
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  I mean that kind of makes sense to me I guess.
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  The Beards can also be gray or just not there at all some of them don't have beards just
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  a chisel jaw ula la.
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  That rhymes.
• 19:31
  Most people say he is very tall like kind of taller than average like six foot to six
• 19:37
  five.
• 19:38
  Okay.
• 19:39
  Others say he is about average height so like five eight to five ten.
• 19:42
  Okay.
• 19:43
  Is that average height now?
• 19:44
  A ish average ish.
• 19:46
  I don't know.
• 19:47
  I don't know.
• 19:48
  I don't know.
• 19:49
  And then five ten's like average.
• 19:50
  Yeah.
• 19:51
  So short that it like these heights you're like what is numbers.
• 19:54
  I don't know.
• 19:55
  I'm like how do you breathe?
• 19:57
  You probably don't run so good there.
• 19:59
  So you know that altitude sickness.
• 20:02
  Yeah.
• 20:03
  Yeah.
• 20:04
  Every story I've heard from this podcast says that he is a white guy but there was like one
• 20:11
  story that said he had tanskin and he could have been an indigenous person.
• 20:17
  Oh, interesting.
• 20:18
  But overwhelmingly he's a white dude like all of the serial killers.
• 20:24
  Yeah.
• 20:25
  Just watch out.
• 20:26
  I mean, let's be real though.
• 20:29
  Jake Bird we just talk about.
• 20:31
  It's true.
• 20:32
  It's true.
• 20:33
  Their faces are often said to be in shadow or just overall hard to make out.
• 20:38
  So other than like the beard and like a chiseled jaw people can't really make out things about
• 20:45
  his face.
• 20:46
  Oh, it's like a really bad sketch artist.
• 20:49
  Yeah.
• 20:50
  So I think it's just that like they don't want to be seen in detail but then there's like
• 20:57
  these other details that change like the hair color and things.
• 21:00
  So I don't know.
• 21:01
  It like depends on the lighting too.
• 21:03
  For all of these like color issues.
• 21:05
  So I don't know.
• 21:06
  Yeah.
• 21:07
  I think one of those like, you know, longer than or you know, lighter than than what?
• 21:13
  Yeah.
• 21:14
  I'm going to need you to give me two examples.
• 21:16
  I just need a picture.
• 21:18
  Get a picture of flannel man for us.
• 21:20
  Not that hard.
• 21:21
  What?
• 21:22
  Like it's hard.
• 21:23
  Actually it might be kind of hard.
• 21:24
  Probably pretty hard.
• 21:25
  I'll tell you why in a little bit.
• 21:27
  A couple people have said that instead of a lumberjack they get more of like a 90's
• 21:32
  grunt vibe from him.
• 21:35
  And that's like my whole vibe today.
• 21:37
  Bro, I got the Choker necklace.
• 21:39
  Is it Kurt Cobain?
• 21:40
  It's funny.
• 21:41
  You say that because one person even named their flannel man Kurt.
• 21:46
  Stop it.
• 21:47
  Yeah.
• 21:48
  There was one story about someone who saw described their whole situation and then was like, I call
• 21:56
  him Kurt because like he was wearing a plan on the friendship.
• 21:59
  It's the vibe.
• 22:00
  It's the vibe.
• 22:01
  Oh my God.
• 22:04
  And there have been a couple stories of even flannel women.
• 22:09
  So there are a couple women involved in this flannel situation.
• 22:14
  Okay.
• 22:15
  Well now I feel a little bit like I need my scarf.
• 22:18
  Although it's not flannel.
• 22:21
  It'll be plaid but not flannel.
• 22:22
  I mean plaid is flannel.
• 22:24
  It's kind of interchangeable.
• 22:25
  I think so.
• 22:26
  Yeah.
• 22:27
  Like my hair could be longer than.
• 22:30
  Exactly.
• 22:31
  Yeah.
• 22:32
  Yeah, I know flannel is like technically like a material type but yeah.
• 22:37
  And this is it's this is in this instance.
• 22:41
  They do mean it as like the plaid and at least one person said that he had glowing red eyes.
• 22:50
  No.
• 22:51
  Oh, I really hate that.
• 22:54
  I know.
• 22:55
  Why?
• 22:56
  It's creepy.
• 22:58
  Yeah.
• 22:59
  Yeah.
• 23:00
  I don't know why it wasn't everybody.
• 23:02
  To my knowledge listening to all these stories it was just the one person.
• 23:07
  It wasn't it wasn't everyone.
• 23:09
  Very.
• 23:10
  And we'll kind of go over the feelings and stuff.
• 23:12
  Okay.
• 23:13
  A little bit.
• 23:14
  Yeah.
• 23:15
  I have a lot of feelings.
• 23:16
  Okay.
• 23:17
  A lot of people have a lot of feelings.
• 23:18
  I don't have a lot of feeling in my feet right now.
• 23:21
  But I have feelings for you flannel man.
• 23:25
  Will you come visit me tonight in my room?
• 23:27
  Yeah.
• 23:28
  Her room at her house.
• 23:30
  Spring the axe.
• 23:32
  Oh my god.
• 23:34
  Something's happening to me.
• 23:35
  Yeah.
• 23:36
  It's taking over my body.
• 23:37
  You are being really weird.
• 23:39
  So what happens during a flannel man sighting?
• 23:42
  Probably nothing.
• 23:43
  I'm sure it's everything's fine.
• 23:45
  Everything's fine.
• 23:46
  Everything's fine.
• 23:47
  Everybody goes home and goes bed and I mean kind of.
• 23:51
  Oh.
• 23:52
  Okay.
• 23:53
  Cool.
• 23:54
  So you're like half right?
• 23:59
  Okay.
• 24:00
  No.
• 24:01
  That's not even close to the same thing at all.
• 24:06
  You're the bed part right?
• 24:08
  That's not in the spirit of what I said.
• 24:10
  I just want to be a fun to be clear about that.
• 24:14
  Or they like wake up in the middle of the night and you know like go to get a drink of
• 24:18
  water or something and then randomly see the flannel man standing like in the kitchen
• 24:24
  or somewhere along the way.
• 24:26
  And encounters typically don't last very long before he will just disappear in front of
• 24:32
  your eyes or like you'll turn and then he'll be gone or he'll just like start to walk
• 24:37
  away and fade away.
• 24:39
  Okay.
• 24:40
  So he doesn't stick around very long and then usually people say he's just kind of like
• 24:46
  staring at you, watching you.
• 24:49
  Okay.
• 24:50
  So he's sort of like the two pump chomp of like apparitions.
• 24:53
  I guess so.
• 24:54
  Yeah.
• 24:55
  Kind of.
• 24:56
  Okay.
• 24:57
  But he does like to stare and watch.
• 24:59
  But then if he sees you notice him, he gets kind of like startled and then like sometimes
• 25:04
  that's when he'll disappear or like run away.
• 25:08
  The audacity.
• 25:09
  Oh, I'm sorry.
• 25:10
  Did I scare you?
• 25:11
  Yeah.
• 25:12
  My own house.
• 25:13
  So it's kind of like one of those ones like which one of you is the ghost, you know?
• 25:16
  I'm him.
• 25:17
  I feel confident.
• 25:19
  I don't need to phone a friend.
• 25:23
  Yeah.
• 25:24
  Final answer.
• 25:25
  I don't know if he knows where he's at.
• 25:27
  If he's just startled to be caught, not really sure.
• 25:31
  I just feel like I just like shook my head.
• 25:36
  So like I don't know.
• 25:38
  That just I got like, well, well, dizzy there.
• 25:41
  Is that gives me Sir your startle?
• 25:43
  Yeah.
• 25:44
  Okay.
• 25:45
  A few people say that they woke up from a loud sound, but it's kind of like you, you
• 25:51
  don't really know what the sound was because you're like, you were asleep in all of a sudden
• 25:55
  you're awake from some sort of sound and then saw him.
• 26:00
  So like that makes it kind of extra creepy.
• 26:03
  Yeah.
• 26:04
  Like is he burying his accent like my closet door or something?
• 26:08
  Like is that what I'm, is that the sound?
• 26:10
  He needs to bury his accent me.
• 26:12
  Oh, you know what?
• 26:16
  Okay.
• 26:17
  This is why I wore the shirt today.
• 26:19
  I'm going to show you guys my shirt from the Ash and you go concert.
• 26:23
  It says I can't help that I want to be Titi smothered because I feel like I am like going
• 26:28
  so hardcore on like dudes like, I love lumberjack dudes, but I also want some Titi.
• 26:33
  So I felt like I had to represent both today.
• 26:35
  Okay.
• 26:36
  To see you guys out.
• 26:37
  I am selfish and I want everybody.
• 26:41
  Yeah.
• 26:42
  I wanted all.
• 26:43
  So we left off after I said that people woke up sometimes from a loud sound didn't know
• 26:48
  what it was and then they see flattamann.
• 26:50
  No.
• 26:51
  Kind of like that.
• 26:52
  But for the most part, people don't really get a bad vibe from him.
• 26:56
  It's just like overall feeling uncomfortable at suddenly seeing like a man in your house
• 27:03
  that shouldn't be there.
• 27:05
  Relatable.
• 27:06
  Yeah.
• 27:07
  And some people do even see him like not just in their home.
• 27:10
  Some people have reported him like on the side of the road.
• 27:13
  How many of you said they saw I'm sitting on like a median of like a highway?
• 27:18
  Oh, which is a really weird spot.
• 27:21
  So like places like he really shouldn't be.
• 27:24
  Okay.
• 27:25
  Yeah.
• 27:26
  No one should be there.
• 27:27
  No one should be.
• 27:28
  No man should be in your bedroom or on the side of the road or anywhere.
• 27:31
  Just don't be there.
• 27:32
  Even in flannel.
• 27:33
  It's not an excuse.
• 27:36
  There's no excuse.
• 27:38
  Not even flannel.
• 27:40
  People say that they also feel like even though he looks like a normal person, like he's
• 27:45
  solid, he's not like see through anything, they just get the vibe that he's not.
• 27:51
  He's like not a normal person.
• 27:53
  He's not of this world.
• 27:54
  Like he's something different in paranormal basically.
• 27:57
  Okay.
• 27:58
  He's a not dear.
• 27:59
  He's a not lumberjack.
• 28:00
  Yeah.
• 28:01
  Oh, new thing.
• 28:03
  Flannel man's out.
• 28:04
  Not lumberjack is in.
• 28:06
  New level.
• 28:07
  So like I said, people don't really get like a super evil, a menacing vibe from him or anything.
• 28:14
  Other than a couple instances like the one where he was just standing there, grinning
• 28:22
  at a mother and daughter at the same time into separate bedrooms.
• 28:29
  I'm sorry.
• 28:30
  What?
• 28:31
  Yeah.
• 28:32
  He was just standing there in his flannel just grinning at this mother and daughter who
• 28:39
  were in two separate rooms and had this experience at the same exact time.
• 28:44
  The mom screamed because she saw a man in her room.
• 28:47
  Yeah.
• 28:48
  And then when she screamed, he disappeared and she heard her daughter screaming like there's
• 28:52
  a man in my room.
• 28:53
  So they were having like the same experience at the same time.
• 28:57
  I don't care for that.
• 28:59
  I'll be honest.
• 29:00
  The grinning is just like, yeah.
• 29:03
  That feels menacing.
• 29:05
  Okay, especially when you do that with your eyes.
• 29:07
  Like I think of pinny eyes.
• 29:08
  I don't know what I did with my eyes.
• 29:10
  Hopefully it was creepy.
• 29:11
  Oh God.
• 29:12
  Yeah.
• 29:13
  No, it was creepy.
• 29:14
  Good.
• 29:15
  God.
• 29:16
  I'm going to just sit here and like completely destroy my cuticle.
• 29:20
  I was going to scare you.
• 29:21
  Like picking your nails right now.
• 29:23
  You're nervous.
• 29:24
  No, I'm fine.
• 29:25
  We could have put oven mitts on you so you don't see.
• 29:31
  Oh my God.
• 29:32
  Yeah, I might need a.
• 29:34
  Maybe I'll grab a rock.
• 29:38
  Oh, that's a good idea.
• 29:40
  Yeah.
• 29:41
  Rub your rocks.
• 29:42
  Get your rocks off.
• 29:43
  Get your rocks off.
• 29:44
  People report even smelling him like the smell of his new clothes or his like leathery
• 29:50
  boots or even feeling his boots.
• 29:54
  Like some people have like reached out to touch him and they he feels like solid.
• 29:58
  He is there.
• 30:01
  Why are we just touching people's home?
• 30:03
  I think because like if you're in your sleepy state, you wake up and you just want to like,
• 30:07
  I don't know, see if see if they're if that's real.
• 30:10
  And apparently he is someone even like hold on his beard kind of thinking it was like Halloween
• 30:18
  time.
• 30:19
  They thought maybe it was one of their parents.
• 30:21
  It was a kid.
• 30:22
  So they like reached up and yanked his beard and it like didn't come off.
• 30:27
  It was.
• 30:28
  Spoiler alert was not one of the parents.
• 30:31
  Some other interesting things happened in that story.
• 30:34
  Yeah, you'll have to just go go listen.
• 30:37
  One Reddit comment from Hail the Cat Overlords apparently had reoccurring sightings of him
• 30:46
  of flannel man and said that he always smelled like cigarettes and they asked him to stop smoking
• 30:54
  when he came around.
• 30:55
  Oh, and he did like they never smelled the cigarettes again when they saw him.
• 31:01
  So it's pretty nice.
• 31:02
  Yeah, that's polite.
• 31:03
  It's like a decent dude, I guess.
• 31:06
  Yeah.
• 31:07
  So it's the staring and the grinning.
• 31:09
  Yeah.
• 31:10
  I just picture him kind of smelling like sawdust.
• 31:15
  Yeah, you would think, right?
• 31:18
  I don't think anyone reported that the the smells were mostly like about his clothes and
• 31:23
  like the cigarette smell.
• 31:26
  Interesting.
• 31:27
  That would be interesting for them to start asking people like was there any smells associated
• 31:31
  with it?
• 31:32
  Yeah.
• 31:33
  Like that's one of or arguably the most impactful sensory thing.
• 31:44
  I don't know.
• 31:45
  I'm struggling to find the words for that.
• 31:50
  Everything's fine.
• 31:51
  I don't think it's fine.
• 31:53
  Most people say they just see him once and then don't ever see him again with the exception
• 31:58
  of like a couple people like the cigarette people, the cigarette people.
• 32:03
  But not cigarette people because they didn't want the cigarette.
• 32:06
  The non smokers.
• 32:08
  And all of these people that are telling their stories, they're saying that they they've
• 32:12
  had this experience of seeing flannel man before really even hearing about it.
• 32:17
  Because like this is like a super well known thing.
• 32:20
  It's more known now than it was when they started this.
• 32:24
  I mean, like as people started telling their stories and people hear them and then they're
• 32:29
  like, oh my gosh, like I've seen flannel man.
• 32:32
  I've seen a man in plaid show up either in my bedroom or along the side of the road.
• 32:38
  It's a little more owner, I say like believable.
• 32:41
  Oh, yeah.
• 32:42
  Because these people aren't just hearing the story and then saying, oh, I saw him.
• 32:47
  Like it wasn't like implanted in their mind or anything.
• 32:50
  Yeah, that makes sense.
• 32:52
  And they're usually like shocked to hear that other people have seen this man and flannel.
• 32:58
  So I feel like it's something that's a very specific but also like very general.
• 33:02
  If that makes sense.
• 33:03
  Like seeing a man in plaid, you're not automatically like, oh, that's something that is interesting
• 33:10
  really.
• 33:11
  It's just kind of general.
• 33:12
  But then when you see other people start having the same saying the same things over,
• 33:17
  it's like, oh, maybe that isn't so general.
• 33:19
  It's kind of specific.
• 33:20
  Yeah.
• 33:21
  Well, I think some of that, you know, it's in an isolated incident.
• 33:27
  It's like maybe it's just very innocuous.
• 33:30
  Yeah.
• 33:31
  When you get down to like the pattern recognition of it all, it's like, oh, that seems more meaningful.
• 33:38
  Yeah.
• 33:39
  Like there's more to it.
• 33:40
  Thank you for understanding what I was trying to say and explaining it better because I
• 33:44
  was just like, it's general, but it's also specific.
• 33:47
  Yeah.
• 33:48
  No, but it's one of those things where actually I just was watching a show and they were talking
• 33:54
  about how the best place to hide something is in plain sight.
• 33:59
  Oh, yes.
• 34:00
  Basically, you know, and yeah, Cassie can really, that's so funny.
• 34:05
  It's all, it all ties together.
• 34:08
  Cassie came into my room because I was going to go look for something plaid and I was like,
• 34:13
  oh, you can't come in here.
• 34:15
  And I literally never said that.
• 34:17
  Usually she's like standing outside the door like, can I come in?
• 34:21
  Like suddenly, you know, one or both of Chris and I will be naked somehow, but I don't
• 34:28
  know what they do in there.
• 34:30
  You guys.
• 34:31
  I'm like, I was literally in the doorway 15 seconds ago.
• 34:36
  I don't know how quickly.
• 34:38
  Well, when you said that to your like, oh, you can't come in here.
• 34:41
  I'm looking right at you and I was like, oh, are you naked?
• 34:43
  Yeah, you did.
• 34:44
  Yeah.
• 34:45
  Are you naked?
• 34:46
  I'm looking at you.
• 34:48
  Like what?
• 34:50
  Well, and it was just us here at the house.
• 34:53
  Yeah.
• 34:54
  But it was because there's something that's forecasty, but it's not pretty yet.
• 34:59
  So I saw nothing.
• 35:01
  Yeah, she's like, I don't know.
• 35:03
  I saw nothing, apparently not even Caitlin standing right in front of me fully clothed.
• 35:08
  Yeah.
• 35:09
  Talk about pattern recognition.
• 35:12
  So that's me.
• 35:15
  I don't notice things.
• 35:17
  I feel like you'd notice Plano Man.
• 35:19
  I think that's what really matters.
• 35:21
  Yeah, I probably would notice you, Plano Man.
• 35:23
  Yeah.
• 35:24
  If you'd like to show yourself, not at Caitlin's, we've established.
• 35:30
  So no one really knows what Plano Man is or what he, she, they mean or want.
• 35:37
  But some people think he might be some type of spirit guide.
• 35:42
  The people that don't get like the really bad vibes from him kind of think maybe he's
• 35:46
  a spirit guide or even an interdimensional entity.
• 35:51
  Oh, so he's just like popping in and out of dimensions here and there.
• 35:56
  That's so weird because do you remember me saying that in every iteration of you, in every
• 36:03
  dimension, I think you're attracted to Plano Man?
• 36:07
  Yeah.
• 36:08
  Yeah, I do remember you saying that.
• 36:09
  I was like, oh, it's interesting.
• 36:11
  She brings up other dimensions.
• 36:13
  Yeah.
• 36:14
  Interesting choice of word.
• 36:16
  A few people see him before having like, Promenicians or before seeing other things like Bigfoot or UFOs.
• 36:24
  Really?
• 36:25
  Yeah.
• 36:26
  That's interesting.
• 36:27
  It is really interesting.
• 36:28
  And this is where we trip and fall right into a high-strangeness hole and pop out and
• 36:34
  point pleasant West Virginia.
• 36:36
  Oh.
• 36:37
  And for anyone who doesn't know, point pleasant West Virginia is where the Mothman prophecies
• 36:42
  takes place.
• 36:44
  Okay.
• 36:45
  So this book/movie, shout out Richard Gehr, talks about a lot of other strange things besides
• 36:52
  just Mothman.
• 36:53
  Okay.
• 36:54
  And one of the stories in this book/movie, actually, I don't know if it's in the movie, I've
• 36:59
  never actually seen the movie.
• 37:01
  I will watch it.
• 37:02
  What's this movie?
• 37:03
  The Mothman prophecies.
• 37:05
  Oh, okay.
• 37:06
  Okay.
• 37:07
  It's true.
• 37:08
  It's a true story about this man looking into all these strange things.
• 37:11
  One of them is Mothman.
• 37:12
  Okay.
• 37:13
  And a lot of other strange things happen around it, basically.
• 37:17
  Okay.
• 37:18
  Okay.
• 37:19
  Richard Gehr is in the movie.
• 37:20
  And Richard Gehr is also there.
• 37:23
  It's not a rom-com.
• 37:26
  So one of the stories in the Mothman prophecies is about someone waking up at night.
• 37:32
  I think it was a, I think this was a child.
• 37:36
  And seeing a tall, checkered shirt man, he was staring.
• 37:43
  And they couldn't make out the facial features very well.
• 37:46
  No, thank you.
• 37:48
  Other than a very large grin on his face.
• 37:53
  Okay.
• 37:54
  Well, that's just, it's rude.
• 37:57
  So we have another grinning, flannel, assumedly.
• 38:02
  They say a checkered shirt, but a checkered plaid, basically the same thing.
• 38:07
  Yeah, yeah.
• 38:08
  We have another grinning flannel man.
• 38:10
  Like, what?
• 38:11
  Okay.
• 38:12
  That is so weird.
• 38:14
  And this is a completely different story from like the mother and daughter who woke up
• 38:18
  at the same time, seeing the same grinning flannel man.
• 38:21
  Like this has happened a long time ago.
• 38:25
  So it's interesting.
• 38:27
  And it's even more weird just to me personally because I've had this show called Hellier, which
• 38:33
  is like, it's a documentary about all this like high-strangeness stuff, kind of like the
• 38:38
  Mothman prophecies.
• 38:39
  Yeah.
• 38:40
  It's a huge thread of like connection with the Mothman prophecies in the show that I've
• 38:45
  been like binging and like it's been like my comfort background as I'm writing this.
• 38:50
  So I was like, oh, that's like kind of weird.
• 38:53
  And then so now I just feel like I'm so close to being initiated into something.
• 38:58
  Something.
• 38:59
  Something's happening.
• 39:00
  You're on the verge.
• 39:01
  I'm on the synchronicity path.
• 39:06
  It's taken me somewhere.
• 39:07
  I don't know where it's taken me, but stay tuned.
• 39:10
  There's a really good chance I might snap this in half.
• 39:14
  I feel like I'm about to lose Caitlin on all this really, really deep, weird stuff.
• 39:21
  So we'll keep it light.
• 39:22
  And that's for all in all of that for now.
• 39:24
  But you guys, if you're interested in any of that, like that shit runs deep, like, yeah.
• 39:30
  It's really interesting, but it does immediately kind of, it puts like the, gives you the tingles,
• 39:36
  like the fighting senses, your hackles are going up.
• 39:39
  A little bit weird stuff.
• 39:41
  Hopefully I don't drag you down the hole with me.
• 39:45
  I mean, I think it's a little too late for that.
• 39:48
  You're like holding on to the edge and I'm holding you like, you're like pitch like
• 39:55
  oh, my leg.
• 39:56
  I don't want anything to do with it.
• 40:01
  So all of this made me think of my weird Oregon book, which if you see the cover right
• 40:07
  now on YouTube or Patreon, oh boy, has a picture of a giant Paul Bunions statue on the front
• 40:15
  and he is wearing a red and white checker shirt.
• 40:18
  He sure is in this book.
• 40:20
  They have a chapter titled Bunions of the Beaver State.
• 40:26
  That's hilarious.
• 40:27
  I know.
• 40:28
  Bunions of the Beaver State.
• 40:32
  Wow.
• 40:33
  That's a lot of bunions.
• 40:34
  Well, yeah, I mean, it's a little bit of a double-on-pound.
• 40:43
  But they talk about these two Paul Bunions statues that are in Oregon and they don't have
• 40:48
  anything to do with Bunions on your feet.
• 40:50
  They're Paul Bunions.
• 40:52
  The very first giant hunk of Paul Bunion fiberglass was made in Venice, California for a
• 40:59
  cafe in Flagstaff, Arizona.
• 41:03
  The same mold was used to create muffler men.
• 41:07
  They are these giant dude statues, like these Paul Bunions statues.
• 41:13
  They weren't just lumberjacks.
• 41:15
  They were like many other various manly man figures.
• 41:20
  They were at car shops or muffler shops.
• 41:23
  I don't know if they were like a muffler shops or a Michelin man.
• 41:26
  No, I'm kind of like that, but they're called the muffler men and they are supposed to
• 41:31
  draw people into like get their mufflers muff for what other car things happen at car places.
• 41:37
  I don't know.
• 41:38
  Get your mufflers muffler.
• 41:40
  You're going to get your mufflers muffed.
• 41:42
  The first one was a lumberjack that they were all various different types of manzes.
• 41:48
  Giant manzes.
• 41:49
  I'm going to look at that a little bit more later.
• 41:51
  Just go ahead and open it.
• 41:52
  Did you see any?
• 41:53
  They're just giant men statues.
• 41:56
  Okay.
• 41:57
  The 60s, am I right?
• 42:00
  They were a time.
• 42:03
  Grandspass Oregon still has a giant Paul Bunions statue in front of the cedarwood saloon.
• 42:10
  I don't know if he's still there.
• 42:12
  The last picture I saw was on Facebook in 2017.
• 42:17
  He was looking a little rough.
• 42:21
  His face is all chipped and stuff.
• 42:23
  I don't know if he's still there.
• 42:24
  I was just going to say if anyone lives there, it knows.
• 42:27
  Send us a picture.
• 42:28
  Yeah.
• 42:30
  In the 90s, someone was upset with the new owners and they pulled this poor Paul down with
• 42:38
  a truck and then drug him across the street.
• 42:42
  Oh, I know.
• 42:44
  Oh, no.
• 42:46
  And then since then, I feel like he's been a little cursed.
• 42:49
  Okay.
• 42:50
  Cars have run into him.
• 42:53
  He's been shot with BB guns.
• 42:55
  Oh my gosh.
• 42:57
  And one fateful wind storm.
• 43:00
  He was decapitated.
• 43:02
  Oh my God.
• 43:04
  So somehow they got his head back on.
• 43:07
  Super glue.
• 43:08
  I guess so.
• 43:09
  Yeah.
• 43:10
  So I don't know who knows if he hasn't just completely fallen apart.
• 43:13
  But it's time to give up the ghost.
• 43:16
  Yeah.
• 43:17
  Poor guy.
• 43:18
  Poor Paul.
• 43:19
  Poor Paulie.
• 43:20
  Getting decapitated and shit.
• 43:21
  That's rough.
• 43:23
  This is one of my random thoughts in here too.
• 43:26
  Like what if all the flannum and spirits are of abused Paul Bunyan statues?
• 43:32
  That's kind of freaky.
• 43:33
  I'm not going to lie.
• 43:36
  That's why they're all so tall.
• 43:38
  Yeah, I guess that would make sense.
• 43:41
  But this guy on the front, they say that he's probably pretty happy.
• 43:47
  Like look at this big old grin.
• 43:50
  He has on his face.
• 43:51
  Very creepy.
• 43:53
  He's grinning.
• 43:54
  Yeah.
• 43:55
  He's the grinning flannel man.
• 43:57
  He is in downtown Portland, Oregon.
• 44:01
  This Paul Bunyan statue was made for Oregon's 100th birthday to honor the timber industry.
• 44:09
  Shout out to Ralph.
• 44:12
  Ralph Ralph Reigns.
• 44:13
  Yes.
• 44:14
  Junior.
• 44:15
  Ralph.
• 44:16
  Yeah.
• 44:17
  Ralph Jr.
• 44:18
  Ralph Jr.
• 44:19
  That was such a good episode.
• 44:20
  Yeah.
• 44:21
  That was a good one.
• 44:22
  Awful.
• 44:23
  But like he's so sweet.
• 44:24
  Both of the timber heirs that we've talked about because the other is obviously the warehouse
• 44:28
  or kids.
• 44:29
  It's like, woof.
• 44:30
  That's a little.
• 44:31
  Yeah.
• 44:32
  They're both a little dark.
• 44:33
  So they placed him near the border to Washington as a little, hey girl, welcome in.
• 44:41
  And they did move him about 50 feet from his original spot to make way for like the trains
• 44:46
  and shit.
• 44:47
  Okay.
• 44:48
  Yeah.
• 44:49
  I mean, as the city grows, yeah, I'm excited.
• 44:51
  I'm going to move some stuff.
• 44:52
  But he's not too far.
• 44:53
  He was directly across from the Dancin’ Bare Strip Club.
• 44:58
  And that's B-A-R-E.
• 44:59
  Not like a dancing bear.
• 45:03
  I feel like if you really want to be on brand though, bear, you know, B-E-A-R.
• 45:09
  Yeah.
• 45:10
  That's true.
• 45:11
  Speaking of Strip Club's titties.
• 45:13
  Today's.
• 45:15
  I was very on theme.
• 45:18
  But from a quick little Goog map search, it looks like the Dancin' Bare is now closed.
• 45:23
  To COVID.
• 45:24
  Oh, I know.
• 45:26
  From the COVID shutdown, they just couldn't recover, you know?
• 45:29
  Yeah.
• 45:30
  Yeah.
• 45:31
  Yeah, that kind of sucks.
• 45:32
  So he was like really happy for a while looking over all the strippers.
• 45:35
  But now I don't know.
• 45:36
  Maybe his grin is slowly turning into a frown.
• 45:40
  Well, to go visit him.
• 45:42
  I don't know that I've ever seen this.
• 45:45
  Yeah.
• 45:46
  I think I have it.
• 45:47
  I'm trying to place it.
• 45:49
  And it's like iconography in my head.
• 45:51
  Yeah.
• 45:52
  I see it.
• 45:53
  I feel like I've actually seen it in person.
• 45:57
  Maybe I've seen it.
• 45:58
  I don't know.
• 45:59
  Yeah.
• 46:00
  I...
• 46:01
  Maybe the fact that we can't remember if we've seen it is like something weird happening.
• 46:08
  Something.
• 46:09
  It's...
• 46:10
  Oh, it's something.
• 46:12
  It's something.
• 46:13
  We'll have to go find him next time we're down there.
• 46:16
  All right.
• 46:17
  Well, you know, we're, you know, we make other plans.
• 46:21
  Things happen and, you know, you have a couple drinks and suddenly you're just, you know,
• 46:25
  not doing that.
• 46:26
  But look how he smiles.
• 46:28
  This also kind of made me think of like we've talked about a couple different lumberjack
• 46:31
  ghosts.
• 46:32
  I feel like in some of our episodes, I think Lithia Park had a lumberjack.
• 46:37
  Yeah.
• 46:38
  I don't know if it was the St. Helens one where the lumberjack was just like sitting in
• 46:43
  a booth at the restaurant.
• 46:46
  That sounds like maybe I'm one of those.
• 46:49
  Lithia Park for sure.
• 46:51
  Yeah.
• 46:52
  Like that rings a bell for me and I remember that, but I don't know, I can't say for sure about
• 46:57
  which other one.
• 46:58
  Yeah.
• 46:59
  I think it was the St. Helens one where we talked about that restaurant.
• 47:03
  But yeah.
• 47:04
  Someone, you know, go listen to all of our episodes and correct me.
• 47:07
  Yeah.
• 47:08
  Please.
• 47:09
  No big deal.
• 47:10
  Have your friends listen.
• 47:11
  So I want to kind of end this with a little funny Reddit thread here.
• 47:17
  Okay.
• 47:18
  Very short.
• 47:19
  Just a couple of comments.
• 47:20
  So the OP says, has anyone had a sighting sloshing counter with the flannel shirt man and
• 47:28
  suspended account extrasandwich232. suspended.
• 47:33
  Oh.
• 47:34
  So you guys, I don't know if you know when you copy and paste this, it shows you that this
• 47:40
  account, it like copies in suspended account next to the name.
• 47:45
  So I thought that was interesting.
• 47:46
  Otherwise, I probably wouldn't have known.
• 47:48
  Yeah.
• 47:49
  That is interesting.
• 47:50
  But I thought that was funny just because of what they say next.
• 47:53
  So yeah.
• 47:54
  Quote.
• 47:55
  I saw the flannel shirt man come out of my ex's house once.
• 47:59
  She said he haunts her a few times a week.
• 48:02
  Is that why she's next?
• 48:04
  What?
• 48:05
  I feel like she might just be cheating on you with a lumberjack.
• 48:10
  Well, that's that's a possibility.
• 48:13
  Yeah.
• 48:14
  She wants me to see you in a few times a week.
• 48:16
  Yeah.
• 48:17
  If you spend any time on Reddit, a lot of cheating stories there.
• 48:22
  Yeah.
• 48:23
  On, on, am I the asshole?
• 48:25
  Yeah.
• 48:26
  A lot of them there.
• 48:27
  A-I-T-A.
• 48:28
  There was another comment from, it's like bbybluecheese83.
• 48:34
  So I'm like, baby blue cheese 83 is how I read it in my head.
• 48:38
  Only in the 90s with it tied around his waist.
• 48:41
  I feel so attacked right now.
• 48:43
  Wait, they're just, they're, because they're saying has anyone seen flannel shirt man and
• 48:47
  they're like only in the 90s with it tied around his waist.
• 48:51
  Uh-huh.
• 48:52
  Okay.
• 48:53
  Okay.
• 48:54
  Yeah.
• 48:55
  Kind of surprising, not really surprising.
• 48:57
  I had this very flannel shirt tied around my waist last night.
• 49:03
  I was flannel man in Portland last night.
• 49:08
  I went downtown to the underhill haunted house.
• 49:12
  Yeah, you did.
• 49:13
  By myself.
• 49:14
  Yeah.
• 49:15
  All alone.
• 49:16
  If you missed it, we had them come on for an interview that was a bonus a few weeks ago.
• 49:23
  By now it's past Halloween now.
• 49:25
  So they're not open anymore.
• 49:27
  But they did give me like a lights on backstage tour.
• 49:32
  Very cool.
• 49:33
  And then I went through the haunted house and I did it by myself.
• 49:36
  I did everything alone.
• 49:38
  Yeah.
• 49:39
  Which was an experience.
• 49:40
  Um, yeah, I can imagine.
• 49:42
  I'll share that experience with the Patreon.
• 49:44
  I did do like a little recording of me walking through.
• 49:49
  I have a lot of recordings of like the backstage of them doing makeup.
• 49:53
  So yeah, we'll do a nice little Patreon bonus about that.
• 49:57
  And I also wanted to tease you a little bit because only Patreon will get to know about
• 50:01
  something very, very cool and very special that happened while I was there.
• 50:07
  And I like, I totally fan-girled so hard.
• 50:10
  It was like embarrassing how fan-girly I got over this.
• 50:14
  Really?
• 50:15
  Super secret detail that I'll share with the Patreon and the bonus.
• 50:18
  Oh my God.
• 50:19
  Look at my face.
• 50:20
  I don't want to, but me too, right?
• 50:23
  Like you'll tell me.
• 50:24
  Of course I'll tell you.
• 50:26
  You won't care.
• 50:27
  Oh, okay.
• 50:28
  Um, I want to know.
• 50:30
  I want to know.
• 50:32
  You'll get to know.
• 50:34
  Okay.
• 50:35
  So yeah, if you guys want to know, join our Patreon.
• 50:37
  If you have any flannel man stories, please feel free to share them with us.
• 50:41
  But also please send them to the Strange Familiars podcast so that they can like get all of these
• 50:48
  stories collect them off for their book that they're going to write because they're doing
• 50:52
  like a whole like anthology.
• 50:54
  Yeah.
• 50:55
  Yeah.
• 50:56
  And I want this book so like I feel like they need more stories.
• 50:59
  Yeah.
• 51:00
  But also send them to us so that we can make them a creepy people chronicles, you know?
• 51:03
  Obviously.
• 51:04
  What's our email?
• 51:05
  pnwhauntsandhomicides@gmail.com.
• 51:07
  Oh yeah.
• 51:08
  Well, do you want to do some tarot?
• 51:09
  Do we do some tarot?
• 51:10
  Yeah, let's do tarot.
• 51:11
  Let's do some tarot.
• 51:12
  Land on man tarot.
• 51:14
  All right.
• 51:15
  What type of rigana use?
• 51:17
  I don't know.
• 51:18
  I brought my mushroom oracle.
• 51:20
  Ooh, I feel like that feels like a feels appropriate.
• 51:24
  It's feeling naturey.
• 51:26
  Yeah.
• 51:27
  Yeah, I was going to say unless you have one that you specifically have chosen, we can
• 51:32
  always do the PNW.
• 51:33
  I know you, but I think the mushroom that feels right.
• 51:37
  I think so too.
• 51:38
  Yeah.
• 51:39
  Let's do some oracle.
• 51:40
  Let's do it.
• 51:41
  All right.
• 51:42
  We're at the tarot.
• 51:43
  I'm going to get my butt back out of my seat and go draw a card from the altar.
• 51:54
  I have a mouse spread out there.
• 51:56
  My mushroom oracle deck.
• 51:59
  What you get?
• 52:00
  I got the Amethyst Deceiver.
• 52:04
  Oh.
• 52:05
  It means deception.
• 52:08
  Deception.
• 52:09
  And I will get my little interpretation booklet from my computer real quick.
• 52:14
  Okay.
• 52:15
  Number four.
• 52:16
  Should I read us some mushroom bags?
• 52:20
  Oh, yeah, sure.
• 52:21
  Well, they might give us some in the interpretation.
• 52:23
  Okay.
• 52:24
  I'll let you go first then.
• 52:25
  Okay.
• 52:26
  I just was trying to vamp.
• 52:27
  Yeah, I don't know.
• 52:28
  Some time to pull that up.
• 52:31
  I want to know the mushroom facts for sure.
• 52:33
  Okay.
• 52:34
  It's on page 48.
• 52:35
  All right.
• 52:37
  It's actually a pretty sizable mushroom.
• 52:39
  Does it look purpley in these pictures online?
• 52:43
  It does.
• 52:44
  Well, it's named Amethyst.
• 52:45
  It like has to be.
• 52:46
  Yeah.
• 52:47
  Okay.
• 52:48
  So it is edible, though, can contain high levels of arsenic if present in the soil.
• 52:55
  Oh, interesting.
• 52:56
  So like if there's arsenic in the soil, it'll like absorb it up.
• 53:00
  Yeah.
• 53:01
  Yeah.
• 53:02
  Which I think would be true of like most plants.
• 53:05
  Well, I mean, maybe not most plants because I feel like not all plants will absorb certain
• 53:11
  nutrients, but or different things present in the soil.
• 53:15
  Is arsenic a nutrient?
• 53:17
  Well, yeah.
• 53:19
  But just generally speaking, I think, you know, I'm, I'm no my callogist, but.
• 53:25
  And I need to learn how to like pronounce the name, like the actual names of these.
• 53:30
  Lacaria, Amethystina.
• 53:31
  I was probably pretty close.
• 53:34
  Yeah.
• 53:35
  I think it sounds.
• 53:36
  Yeah.
• 53:37
  Lacaria.
• 53:38
  Lacaria.
• 53:39
  Yeah.
• 53:40
  Do you want me to look for pronunciation?
• 53:41
  If you want.
• 53:42
  Okay.
• 53:43
  Why not?
• 53:44
  Why not, you know?
• 53:45
  Why not a fuck not?
• 53:46
  Yeah.
• 53:47
  So how you said it?
• 53:48
  Okay.
• 53:49
  Pretty close.
• 53:50
  I wasn't way off.
• 53:51
  Yeah.
• 53:52
  No, you were right on the money.
• 53:53
  Okay.
• 53:54
  So I found in leaf litter in woodlands and under beach trees.
• 54:00
  The Amethyst deceiver is an amazing violet color, which during wet weather will show a deep
• 54:06
  purple.
• 54:07
  It's very pretty.
• 54:08
  Yeah.
• 54:09
  Two others are purple, flannel, and not that we know of.
• 54:13
  Not yet.
• 54:15
  During dry weather, when it mature, when it matures, as we mature, the cap changes to a very
• 54:23
  pale, almost white color, making this mushroom look similar to the other mushrooms that can
• 54:31
  be poisonous.
• 54:33
  Interesting.
• 54:34
  So I thought that was interesting.
• 54:35
  It's a deceiver.
• 54:36
  Yeah.
• 54:37
  Yeah.
• 54:38
  But it looks similar to something like a human, but isn't like it's deceiving you.
• 54:44
  Big old faker, baker.
• 54:45
  You're not all on Bajak.
• 54:47
  Yeah.
• 54:48
  I found a picture that it shows when the mushroom cap sort of flattens out.
• 54:55
  And it has sort of a depression in the center.
• 54:58
  It looks like sort of like a little kind of looks like a bubble.
• 55:01
  Oh, I like bubbles.
• 55:05
  And that's it typically appears as the center of the cap, like kind of as it as it all flattens
• 55:10
  out.
• 55:11
  Oh, interesting.
• 55:12
  Interesting.
• 55:13
  Was there any more facts?
• 55:14
  I think that was it for kind of like the facts.
• 55:15
  We're going to go into the card meaning after that.
• 55:18
  Okay.
• 55:19
  Yeah.
• 55:20
  So average mushroom height, four to six centimeters average cap width, 1.5 to five.
• 55:29
  So it's not like a huge is it longer than normal?
• 55:34
  Is it a longer mushroom?
• 55:37
  Yeah.
• 55:39
  It's also found in the UK.
• 55:41
  Oh, which I thought was interesting.
• 55:44
  It's interesting because like I didn't originally add in the UK because I think there was just like
• 55:50
  one story.
• 55:51
  But then because of your not burberry scarf, I added the UK.
• 55:57
  Yeah.
• 55:58
  I'm scrolling through because I did notice a couple of different things.
• 56:03
  Just sort of like fun facts.
• 56:04
  And this is a UK based website actually.
• 56:09
  So they've got some really cool pictures of it.
• 56:12
  So it grows in coniferous and deciduous forests.
• 56:17
  When young, it's a distinctive, deep purple color, but it's bright color fades with age and
• 56:23
  weathering making it difficult to identify.
• 56:26
  I guess that's pretty much what you already said.
• 56:29
  This is interesting though, but yeah.
• 56:32
  The color changes kind of like the with the philonym and shirt.
• 56:35
  Yeah.
• 56:36
  Maybe as he ages, he changes different to different colored shirts.
• 56:39
  I mean, maybe.
• 56:41
  It's a bit of a spewing nonsense at this point.
• 56:43
  Although edible, it looks similar to the poisonous lilac fiber cap.
• 56:49
  So now we know what it, like what it's poisonous, at least one of the poisonous counterparts,
• 56:58
  what that is and what it looks like.
• 57:01
  I don't know if you saw any pictures that show sort of the underside of the mushroom.
• 57:05
  That's where they call it like the gills.
• 57:08
  Oh, yeah, the gills.
• 57:10
  They're purple too.
• 57:11
  Because if you think of like that sort of traditional red toadish, it's like red on one
• 57:19
  side and then the underside is kind of a off white.
• 57:23
  This one, it's like a lighter purple on the underside maybe, but it's like the purple
• 57:28
  carries through like the whole mushroom.
• 57:31
  Like even the stem has a purple hue.
• 57:34
  It shows it in the little picture on the card.
• 57:37
  Like it shows the from under view and then it also shows like a top of a shorter one.
• 57:41
  So you could see like that little poke butthole that you were talking about all the time.
• 57:47
  They look so strange in some of these pictures.
• 57:50
  I'm going to send you this one because it's like the early, early stage.
• 57:55
  It's super cute.
• 57:56
  Oh, it's so cute.
• 57:59
  Yeah.
• 58:00
  It just looks so weird.
• 58:02
  It's like purple thing coming out of these brown leaves like the sticky wet dirty forest.
• 58:08
  Obviously it's not a very large mushroom.
• 58:11
  It's super tiny in that shop because it's like very, that looks like very beginning stages
• 58:17
  but it kind of looks like a dick.
• 58:19
  Not gonna lie.
• 58:21
  I found a couple of pictures where I was like that is legitimately a penis.
• 58:25
  Ah, penis mushrooms.
• 58:27
  Alright.
• 58:28
  So I'll let you get into it.
• 58:30
  Let's get into this card meaning here.
• 58:33
  It says the deceiver mushroom comes to let you know that things may not be what they seem.
• 58:41
  Okay.
• 58:42
  Okay.
• 58:43
  Say more because I kind of felt like that went without saying.
• 58:46
  But it's just interesting to like see it because he comes to you and like some people see
• 58:53
  him before like really like high-strangeness things happen.
• 58:56
  So yeah.
• 58:57
  Yeah.
• 59:00
  That was just interesting to me that's like the first sentence of this card.
• 59:03
  You may be seeing things the wrong way or there is deceit of some kind appearing before
• 59:09
  you.
• 59:10
  Not all deceit is bad.
• 59:12
  Oh, okay.
• 59:14
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  Are you deceiving yourself about something?
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  Usually he just like disappears though right in front of your eyes.
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  If you like weren't scared or anything and you just kept looking at him like would he
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  I must say, soup, your soup compass.
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  Yeah, maybe just cute.
• 1:03:20
  Yeah, just cute.
• 1:03:21
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• 1:03:30
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• 1:03:36
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• 1:03:48
  totally diving deep and researching this whole thing, trying to figure out what it is.
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  I went deep on this research.
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  I probably didn't really need to go that deep on, but I can't help it.
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  Well, down the rabbit hole.
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  That was a really good card for this one, I think.
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  Yeah, it was.
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  Good decision.
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  So weird that it brought up every single question and things that we were talking about.
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  Really did.
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  Really did.
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  I think we got what we needed from this one.
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  Yeah, we did.
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  Should we do the thing that we do?
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  Yeah, probably.
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  Okay.
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  Have a previous day.
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  We'll see you next Tuesday.
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  We'll see you next Tuesday.
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  We're in the forest.
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  Yeah.
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  Standing by your bed, staring at you.
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  Gichoflannel.
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  Gichoflannel.
• 1:04:47
  Or your oversized European scarf.
• 1:04:51
  I wonder if wearing a panel would deter a panel man from showing up to you?
• 1:04:56
  He's like, oh, I'm already here.
• 1:04:59
  Or yeah, the deception thing, like seeing another mushroom that looks like you, but it's not.
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  So I'm just going to take this and I'm just going to turn it into a night out.
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  Yes, yes.
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  You know, that's what this is now.
• 1:05:12
  Always sleep and flood from now on.
• 1:05:14
  Alrighty.
• 1:05:15
  We solved it.
• 1:05:16
  Did it.
• 1:05:17
  Asked and answered.
• 1:05:20
  Plenal man.
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  Plenal man.
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  What is it?
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  It's fall, y'all.
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  Oh, it's corn.
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  It's corn.
• 1:05:34
  It's corn.
• 1:05:35
  It's a big lump of knobs and it does have the juice.
• 1:05:38
  It does have the juice.
• 1:05:39
  So funny.
• 1:05:40
  So at my job, there's like a puppy and she has this corn.
• 1:05:44
  It's like a giant rubber corn and just loves it.
• 1:05:47
  And every single time I see that fucking thing, I'm just like, it has the juice.
• 1:05:51
  I can't not say it.
• 1:05:53
  So anyway, no, you're not a monster.
• 1:05:57
  Corn is fall, beamed.
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  Yeah.
• 1:06:00
  So that totally fits in with this episode.
• 1:06:01
  We don't have to cut it out.
• 1:06:02
  No, not at all. pnwhauntsandhomicides@.com