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EDP49: Two World Records at New Balance Indoor Grand Prix / Boston Marathon Elite Fields · Easy Double podcast

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  Scorchers go on. Hello and welcome back to the
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  Easy Double Podcast episode 49. My name is Ryan, I'm your host,
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  and I'm joined by Owen Smith from over a couple of ponds back
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  in Ireland on Monday afternoon. How you doing, Owen?
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  Good over here, and there can't be much rain left in the sky
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  over here because all of it has falling in the last week.
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  So other than that, I'm good. It's, it's the grand now, isn't
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  it? You've, you've passed Blue
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  Monday, that is, do they call it that?
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  An island as well. This rarely blue Monday over
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  here, it's only grey bleak Monday.
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  No, I think blue refers to like the mental states of you're
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  being a slog. Yeah, exactly.
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  And. We got paid, so yeah, it's
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  looking up, Things are looking up.
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  Once February arrives, then you're on the home stretch.
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  Well, we still have another month of dark mornings, but
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  we're getting there. And I'll go to Dean, bring DNM
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  because Owen's just caught glance to the agenda and said
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  who on earth of the Perth scorchers?
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  So maybe the Western Australian man himself can add some color
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  to that question. I can, it's WA slash Perth's
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  local cricket team. So I think there's an 8 team
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  competition, national competition in the Big Bash or
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  T20 referred to the Big Bash here.
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  So T20 cricket, so very short form cricket and Perth is had a
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  rich history. I think there's this is season
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  15 of the Big Bash League and the Scorchers have been in the
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  final. I think it was the 9th time and
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  this is their 6th win, so they won last night.
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  So yeah, wild, wild scenes in Perth.
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  Kind of reasoning for me sitting here feeling rather tired
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  because managed to snag a couple of tickets and drank a couple of
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  glasses of wine that had brought back from Margaret River.
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  So it was good fun now. Che big weekend for you.
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  I'll be glad glad to see the back of this as fun as it was
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  having my mate over. I'm very much looking forward to
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  getting back into routine. Bit of a detox.
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  Yeah, could call it that. And then before just coming back
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  into the apartment, because we're in the city, there was a
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  couple of the Sydney Sixers team getting into a taxi and I was
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  tempted to give them a snarky comment but couldn't think of 1.
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  And he probably would have just embarrassed Meeks.
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  Didn't really know too much about them.
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  They so they had a couple of the players that played in the
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  Ashes, said Steve Smith and Mitchell Stark.
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  That played for the Sixers. So they're pretty stacked team,
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  but not stacked enough. Yeah, when Smiths were hit,
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  fell, that was definitely the biggest cheer the night, Yeah.
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  It's good to see Perks doing good on the sporting front as
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  they're only shit at the AFL aren't they?
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  Yeah. I mean, yeah, we've not been,
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  we've not had much to cheer about on that front in years.
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  But our men's basketball team and cricket team are good, so
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  and we're pretty good at just getting around something that's
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  doing well. Hence, we're all cricket fans at
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  the minute. And how are you doing on this
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  actual, rather bizarrely cold Sunday?
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  But it feels like Sunday. But it's definitely Monday feels
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  like Sunday because it's public holiday.
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  I'm nervous to comment too much after Owens intro with his
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  weather but. I'm just looking up the forecast
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  here in Ireland and if you can see it is just rain, rain, rain,
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  rain, rain for the next week. 100% chance of rain, Yeah.
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  So for context, it's it's cold here in Perth and it's currently
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  19°. In Ireland right now it's
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  actually 7. Feels like -4.
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  Yeah, how can it feel 11° cool as it windy as well.
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  It's windy as fuck. Yeah, it's shit.
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  And the rain. Now, yeah, the kids all had
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  their like, long sleeve pages on where they're not accustomed to
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  the slightest bit of cool weather here in Perth.
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  So it was blazing hot during the middle of the week, but it has
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  been a bit cool, unseasonably cool for for Perth weather the
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  past few days. Yeah, well, I'm glad you're able
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  to join us, given you've been crabbing in in the open waters
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  down South, doing a dance with the sharks.
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  Yeah, I managed to get AI, was a bit lucky.
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  I was down South with another couple with their kids.
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  But I got kicked out of the car on the freeway, Mitchell Freeway
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  yesterday and jumped in in with a mate and we toddled over to to
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  Mandra for a bit of R&R ourselves.
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  It was good. Do you bring any crabs back?
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  I did, I bought back a what would, what most people would
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  think would feed a, you know, a few families, but they didn't
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  get beyond my dad, who's an absolute crab fiend.
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  So he's lit. They've just left all crabs in
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  their in their bellies. So went to a good home, that's
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  for sure. That's good, right?
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  Then let's get to the running elements of this show.
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  We've got a bit to get through the the indoor season in the US
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  has been going a bit crazy and plenty of Australians involved
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  in the action too, as well as English men and women and Irish
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  men in fact. So there was a meet over in
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  Virginia, I think this was on Friday night, the Hockey
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  Invitational. There was then on Saturday in
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  Boston there was an New Balance Indoor Grand Prix and Owen's got
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  a set of results coming from there.
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  I attempt this rainy. Rainy.
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  Rohini. There's a five mile road race,
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  yeah, in Rohini. It's be a fairly big one here in
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  Ireland. Do you want to talk about that
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  one first? Yeah, go for it.
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  And so this happened normally races in Ireland, they're on
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  like let's say 10 or 11:00 and this one for reason on at 3:00
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  Sunday afternoon. So it's one of the biggest Rd.
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  races in the Irish like sort of calendar year.
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  And it was won by Jonas Stafford, who ran 23 O 8 and
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  that was a Sprint finish where Colin Rooney who ran 2310 and
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  just for you, Dean, Colin Rooney is like 42.
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  So there's still life in your left.
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  And then third was you Armstrong, who ran 2327.
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  So good race, really fast times, and it wouldn't be the fastest
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  of courses. And on the women's side, the
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  winner was Michelle Finn, who ran 2635.
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  Second was Faye Darvin, who ran 27-O four.
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  And third was Marie McGee, who ran 27 O 4 again.
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  Yeah, so very, very, very tight race on both sides.
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  But yeah, good running from the boys.
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  Like Jonas Stafford would have been well up there in national
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  cross country and so was Colin Rooney, Andrew Armstrong, Q
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  Armstrong came like 7th, so he just missed out on the team.
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  Jonas Stafford would have wait low.
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  We represented Ireland. But yeah, good running.
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  Have you done this one before? I don't know, years ago and let
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  me just try and find the result because that'll be actually
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  funny. Oh shit, was I?
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  You carry on. I'm gonna pull up for this.
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  I noticed a couple of the people in the results had like general
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  bib numbers and then a few had like single digits.
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  Is there like an elite and then open?
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  No, I think it's just no, no, I don't think so.
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  OK. Would they all those lot be
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  based out of Ireland? Then they wouldn't be like
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  overseas athletes or anything. Not all Irish here.
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  All Irish. Just like very high level
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  domestic but just below perhaps national team.
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  Well, you said he'd be on the team, maybe.
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  If you know, these would be like really, really good, these be up
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  there with the best in the country.
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  It's just like Aston G Day would have won a couple of years back.
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  Like there's I think it's a bit of money behind it.
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  Oh, here we go. In 2023 I ran 2537.
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  Yeah, OK. So 2 1/2 minutes.
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  I'm the winner of that year run at 2353.
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  Oh, OK, yeah. So I wanted this year. 23/08/20.
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  308, yeah, yeah, OK. Yeah.
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  So it's miles off basically. What place did that go?
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  Yeah. It got me 26th.
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  And is that one within striking distance of you or would you
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  have had to travel to that? Where?
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  Where is it? No, I'm pretty lucky that was in
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  Dublin, so it'd be like half an hour drive for me.
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  So those clubs that are listed next to the people there, are
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  they like largely Dublin based clubs, obviously Dublin City
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  Harriers and. People from all around the
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  country like that Levale, that's Cork and UCD is like a cut that
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  Jonas effort, like he's runs with the college team.
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  So he'd be on scholarship with UCD and but no people from all
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  around Ireland because like we're a tiny country.
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  So it's actually possible to just hop in a carrier drive for
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  three hours and you're on the other side of the country.
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  So it's sort of reachable for everyone.
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  And what did you raise any of these guys at National?
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  Cross, Yeah. So I'll share the National Cross
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  results up. So you reckon Dean needs to be
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  reaching out to this calm Rooney guy?
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  Seeing what he's doing, yeah. I did say he's the only one
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  that's got an age category other than I think men's and women's
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  are just Ms. and FS and his M40. So it's.
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  Savage going though. Great going and.
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  So Hugh Armstrong came seventh, Jonas Stafford came eight and
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  Colin Rooney came 15th on the men's and then let me try and
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  find the women's and. That the men's result is like
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  253 per K average for the five. Mile Gee whiz.
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  And Michelle Finn came 11 to national cross country.
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  I'm trying to find the other girls.
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  I can't really find the other girls.
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  They were a bit down. But Michelle Finn would have
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  represented Ireland as well. Like she's a stable and Irish
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  running. No, that's good.
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  Thanks for sharing that. Love Len about the domestic
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  scene over there in Ireland. Over to the US then I guess.
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  So there was there was a small ish meet in Blacksburg, VA this
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  hokey Invitational and why it's relevant is because the Olympic
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  and world champion Carl Hocker and his teammate Cupertier
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  friend of the show were running they were running a 2000 meters
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  there. So surprise surprise, those two
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  have finished one and two. Carl Hawker's won in 452.92 and
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  Cooper Tears finished second just two seconds back in 454.74.
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  And that was actually a national record from Carl Hawker there.
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  Although be it, as we find out later on, it was a short lived
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  national record, but he took that at the time from Bernard
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  Lagat and that was actually standing from 2014.
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  So 2000 meters. Bit of a random distance, but
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  clearly it kind of fits those like middle distance guys quite
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  well who flipped between the 1500 meters and the 5K as a bit
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  of a low pressure season opener. I guess the guy who's in 3rd,
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  George Cusi, he's a, he's a British athlete, He ran 457,
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  which also took the British record for a short period.
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  Would generally, I tell you, like American running would give
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  like bonuses if you break a world record, would call Hawker
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  and would he still get the bonus or what do you think?
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  Or would it just be? I think so.
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  Yeah, he still got to, even though it lasted like a couple
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  of hours. Well, because isn't it written
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  into their contracts? I thought like remember the is
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  arm grun's comments about running a European record and he
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  indicated like a stack of cash like I think their shoe
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  contracts. Are.
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  Such that they get money if they break a record.
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  So the fact that it gets broken the next day, I mean, it's
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  actually genius. If you think it's going to go
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  the next day and you're not the best chance to win that race,
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  why not run the day before and pocket the money?
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  Yeah, it's like you're equal to. Did he?
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  Well, he ran yeah, 454.74, and Legat's record was 454.74.
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  Oh, don't you think? And this is we'll talk about
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  Hobbs Kessler later, but like, both of those guys finished
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  fourth and 5th in their US trials last year at the world
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  champs. And like, if it wasn't for the
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  fact that the US is on such a, a tear, a Cooper tear, then these
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  guys would be getting a lot more recognition than what they'd
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  they are right now. Like he's literally run the like
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  he literally ran an American record not really spoken about
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  and then definitely not spoken about 24 hours later.
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  That's yeah, it goes on the radar on, on the comments about
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  the bonus in the contract and stuff.
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  I'd say yes, definitely, But maybe just think random
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  distances like 2000 meters maybe wasted slightly less.
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  I'm sure the brands will be all over that.
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  So that was pretty much the only thing going on there, I think of
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  relevance to us. But yeah, George Cusi.
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  That's the fastest collision ever to run in A2 Ki think isn't
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  it? The George Cusi guy.
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  Yeah, pretty sure I read that somewhere.
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  Did you see who else? I don't know if you saw the when
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  Bernard Legat ran his time, did you see who was just behind him
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  in that race? Just a side note.
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  Mantram, Cam Levins. Cam Levins Yeah, so doing triple
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  days yet somehow running 455 for 2K, he's pretty impressive.
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  But yeah, that was back when he was at his at his track best in
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  2014. He's got the range, yes.
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  So that would have temporarily put Cole into 5th on the all
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  time list, knocking off Eamon Colt Coghlan of Ireland.
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  Does that name mean anything to you?
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  Coghlan? Yeah.
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  Ireland have the world record for the four by a mile.
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  That's right. You remember the coffee cup guys
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  took it, I think took a shot at that a few years ago.
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  Yeah, it didn't stand a chance that that's like that's and
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  that's such an old record as well, and it's still standing
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  today, which. Wasn't it, wasn't it pretty
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  stacked? Like, wasn't it like the four
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  guys that were doing it? We're all pretty.
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  Off the wrong believe, yeah, the best 4 runner yeah, probably to
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  this day that I have ever produced.
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  Yeah. Wonder wonder what their average
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  mile split was. Take it on definitely so far.
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  From back in the day as well. Yeah.
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  Moving on then whilst you dig that out, we'll go to Boston,
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  the New Balance Indoor Grand Prix because Cam Myers, Andrew
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  Coskren and Nick Griggs were all starting in the same starting
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  line up in the 3000 meters in the indoor field here.
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  So Cam Myers ran a new national record to take the win in a
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  blistering 727.57 out kicking Graham Blanks who led large
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  parts of the race. He ended up finishing third and
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  beating Graham Blanks with a kind of a quick close in
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  trademark style was Andrew Costkren in 730.97.
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  It's funny because when we talked about this last week, oh
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  and obviously fancy Costco, and I mentioned perhaps like what
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  blanks be in the mix, but in all honesty, I didn't see Cam Meyers
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  being like at their level and he just proved that he'd like it,
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  dusted them easily. But what was just thoughts?
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  Yeah, even the way the race was run, like blanks start pushing
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  from like a cupboard out to try and take the sting out of them
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  boys. Bought a Costco, would be pretty
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  strong. But obviously so is Cam Myers.
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  Like even like his 10K cross country in Canberra, like that
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  shows how strong he is. And then just going for the mile
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  last week, like he's just the perfect mix.
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  But yeah, like 728 is just not so fast.
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  He feels like he's validating the decision to whatever the
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  insurance and outs were, but in terms of his track build,
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  getting into these these races and building a, you know,
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  building nicely as any through the indoor season.
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  Yeah, it it suggests he's definitely worth more than his
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  performance at the World Champs last year, like not getting out
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  of the heats and stuff. Hopefully he won't.
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  He won't face that scenario again.
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  Well, yeah, and I mean, that's a good, I mean, that's a good
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  reflection given because Andrew, like Cosgren was made it into
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  that final, right? So he he really measured his
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  build and he shared with you on that.
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  His goal was really just to be consistent and not overdo it and
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  measure his effort to get into that final.
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  So for Cam to beat him and judge the judge the race very well as
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  well, didn't they? I don't know.
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  The the race was a lot of fun because that Graham blanks.
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  That's not the first time you see him.
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  Just once the pacemaker drops, be very aggressive and it just
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  makes for such an exciting race. And then Cam was so measured,
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  like so experienced with in terms of effort distribution
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  that he timed his run so well. And then cosgroen probably what
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  to see at the quickest close of the lot too, but just didn't
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  have enough. There wasn't enough time.
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  So powerful as well, though the way he moved past blanks wasn't
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  it. It wasn't like a last minute
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  kick, it was like a decisive well I've physically got another
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  gear to you here so it doesn't really matter.
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  Yeah, and it was still a lot 2 laps to go when he did that and
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  you think you might just tuck in to try and get the win, but he
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  was still pushing for the time. What's interesting when last
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  week we spoke about his decision to not do worlds and stuff, and
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  you just touched on it there, the way he's mapping out his
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  indoor season this year or the start of it, because we spoke
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  about that as well. He'd publicly stated his races
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  on Strava is the same sort of trajectory that he took last
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  year. So he started with a mile.
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  Last year he opened with 353 and this year in Washington the
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  other week he ran 349, so 4 seconds faster.
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  Then he ran a 3000 meters. Last year he ran 733.
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  This year at this meet we're talking about now in Boston,
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  he's just ran a national record 727, six seconds faster.
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  And then he went to Melrose and ran the mile there and ran a
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  national record 347. So what's he going to do this
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  year at Melrose? World record 342.
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  It's very cool because I think when someone really young runs
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  really fast that people might comment that it it every your
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  fitness, it's harder and harder the fitter you get to get fitter
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  again. And so it's trying to improve
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  when you're already very good and a lot of people might
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  develop earlier than other people, so you're not sure if
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  the development's going to keep coming.
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  So it's very exciting when you sit improving.
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  Let's hope his moustache keeps developing because it is not at
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  the moment he really needs. Some more.
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  He needs some more hair there. There's not much of them always
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  there. No.
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  I thank God he's going to mention that last week, but I
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  was not confident enough that I'd seen something.
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  Something there, something just a shadow.
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  Yeah, a cat. A gummy bear might lick that one
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  off. Well, he's got he's got 20 years
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  worth of growth to grow the men's ISMO.
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  Ouch. That's true though.
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  Right, so Next up, I think the way the stream was going, it was
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  kind of it was a bit weird, wasn't it?
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  It was like the coverage was unbelievable.
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  But then it would it would show one race live and then it would
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  cut to coverage and say like this happened earlier and then
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  they would kind of semi commentate on it, but from like
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  they obviously had watched the race.
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  But yeah, tell us about the 600 meters own, because I think this
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  is one for you. Yeah, so there was 5 in the
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  race, Kimmy Phillips, Donovan Brazier, Bryce Hoppel and then
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  Maheed Yanori and then the sort of Chuck and big names are done
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  from Brazier, Bryce Hoppel and like they're just the one of the
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  biggest names in American running.
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  So immediately your money's on one of them two, but umm, so it
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  went up. So it's 3 laps of the indoor
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  track and this the fifth guy went off so hard and he ran like
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  600 meter. He ran like 300 meters and then
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  just dropped out. And I don't he wasn't like
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  pacing around. That's what I don't know why
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  he's doing. He can jump that, whatever.
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  It was just so bizarre. I don't know if he was a
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  pacemaker. I think he was just, he didn't
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  get in another race and he just hopped in that one.
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  I don't know. It was really weird.
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  Because the commentators didn't call him like he was a
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  pacemaker. But my daughter anyway.
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  And I think that, yeah, Mehdi, you know, he's a college kid.
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  So he sort of took it out. And then it was Donovan Brazer,
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  Bryce Hopper and Kimmy Phillips. And I think until, like I said,
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  it was like 150, maybe 100 meters to go along the back
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  straight, came with Phillips, made a massive move and the boys
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  just couldn't go with him. So yeah, Kim Mcphillips ended up
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  running 11637 to run a PV and just leave Donovan Brazer and
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  Bryce Apple just wailing in the back.
• 24:07
  So crazy turn of speed from Kim Mcphillips.
• 24:10
  And yeah, be so interesting to see what he does during the
• 24:15
  year. Like his splits were for the 1st
• 24:16
  200-2424 high. His next 200 split was 50.8, so
• 24:23
  26 seconds. And then he finished in 25
• 24:26
  second 200, which is just so fast.
• 24:32
  So yeah, I'd be interesting to see how he goes in the in the
• 24:34
  world and all that sort of stuff.
• 24:36
  Is he? With the college at the minute
• 24:40
  or what's his back background? He's like he was actually I
• 24:46
  think he ran what DCU or College in Dublin?
• 24:50
  I'm not 100% sure but he's been like basically a pro runner.
• 24:55
  Malia is a pro now but like. He was with the With the Shoe
• 25:00
  brand over there. Or he's never added us.
• 25:02
  He will always has sort of a link when I asked like his coach
• 25:05
  is his coach is Joe Ryan, who is the head coach of the college
• 25:11
  DCU. So that he's not important that
• 25:14
  together. And he's not affiliated though
• 25:17
  with any, like he's not got an American affiliation.
• 25:19
  So he's him. He's like Cam and he's just come
• 25:22
  over to race the Grand Prix. Yeah, but he got in it because
• 25:30
  of his world champion performance last year.
• 25:33
  Like what? I thought he wouldn't have gone
• 25:34
  near this one. Yeah, that makes sense.
• 25:38
  He made that ironically look like men against boys, although
• 25:41
  he was the boy against Donovan Braziers like the.
• 25:46
  Yeah, those two scalps are pretty outrageous, right?
• 25:49
  Crazy. What are they both 141 guys?
• 25:55
  I mean, albeit that he's a 142 guy, but.
• 25:59
  I'm keen he would have went to College in UCD, which is
• 26:03
  basically the other side of Dublin from DCU, yeah, but yeah.
• 26:09
  So his coach would have been the DCU coach.
• 26:13
  Yeah, like when he made that move, they literally could do
• 26:16
  nothing about it. They were racing for second.
• 26:18
  Literally they they were about 10-20 yards back when they and
• 26:22
  genuinely racing each other to the line for 2nd.
• 26:26
  They didn't stand a chance. There was a women's 1500 meters
• 26:31
  then, so the star I guess on paper in this one was Sinclair
• 26:35
  Johnson, the the homegrown girl of the US and then also of
• 26:40
  interest was Sarah Billings from Australia was over.
• 26:44
  The race was won by Kenya's Dorca Savoy in four O 1.22.
• 26:49
  Sinclair Johnson got second, four O 1.3.
• 26:53
  Polish lady Claudia Kasimerska got third in a national record
• 26:57
  four O 178. And then Sarah Billings was
• 26:59
  fourth, four O 179. So very closely packed together
• 27:03
  there. One thing, what was interesting,
• 27:07
  or this one, the commentators were talking about how Sinclair
• 27:10
  Johnson had switched recently from Nike or Nike to Hoka.
• 27:15
  And it just made me think about the conversations we've been
• 27:18
  having recently. We seem to be talking about
• 27:20
  Hoka, don't we? And perhaps their shoes and like
• 27:23
  their growing influence. So, I mean, Sinclair Johnson's a
• 27:26
  bit of a star girl over there and Nike's like the real deal,
• 27:30
  isn't it? So to be able to snatch a star
• 27:33
  from Nike is like a a big coup, really.
• 27:37
  And I think when you're at that point and like that, like every,
• 27:42
  I mean, what's this race decided by 8 hundredths of a second?
• 27:45
  If you're not comfortable in the footwear you're running in,
• 27:49
  you're not going to switch despite the extra bit of
• 27:53
  monetary incentive. So you suspect the the the shoes
• 27:56
  are stacking up, which is cool, but like she.
• 27:59
  She was with Nike for nine years apparently, or something like
• 28:01
  that, which is such a long time, so I feel like I could
• 28:04
  definitely give her a nice. Oh, that would paycheck but but
• 28:10
  but but you wouldn't do it if you then get a run in, you know,
• 28:13
  lifeless, lifeless shit. So but I did notice on socials
• 28:21
  that we clipped the snippet of someone predicting the winner of
• 28:25
  this of this race. So.
• 28:31
  Good work on the Instagram. And so you mentioned that we did
• 28:39
  talk and we did. And I did talk about Sinclair
• 28:41
  Johnson in the lead up because she's been winning everything.
• 28:45
  But you'd sort of played down the fact that Dorcas employee
• 28:49
  was maybe 1 of the lesser known or a bit of a rough Erasmus
• 28:54
  perhaps. You put it last week, Ryan, but
• 28:57
  was she world champion silver medallist over this distance?
• 29:03
  Yeah, I was just had those ongoing conversations with their
• 29:07
  agent and stuff in the background and 9 new shoes in
• 29:09
  shape, so just cashed it in. Look forward to who's our agent,
• 29:15
  who's our agent? You put me in touch with them,
• 29:17
  actually. It was on your watch list.
• 29:23
  Really. Oh no, no, I believe we.
• 29:30
  Yeah, maybe we could even backpedal slightly, but I
• 29:35
  thought she trains with a group over in America.
• 29:40
  Yeah, to be honest with you, I don't actually know that much
• 29:42
  about. Her.
• 29:45
  Her name was familiar. And then in the monks I know,
• 29:49
  obviously Sinclair Johnson was like the standout.
• 29:52
  And then her name rang a bell for some reason.
• 29:54
  So you asked me for a roughy and I just plucked one out.
• 29:58
  Oh, there you go. All right.
• 30:02
  I don't think I was going to go for the Lithuanian athlete
• 30:05
  anyway. Sorry to any Lithuanian
• 30:07
  listeners. Now then, Fast forward to the
• 30:12
  men's 2000 meters. So hold that contextual results
• 30:17
  of Carl Hocher and Cooper Tier from 24 hours prior in the back
• 30:22
  of your minds when you've got Grant Fisher, Jake Whiteman,
• 30:27
  Hobbs Kesler, whoever else was in this bloody field.
• 30:30
  It was pretty stacked standing on another 2000 metre start line
• 30:35
  to be honest. This way this race is was wide
• 30:38
  open in terms of like before the gun goes off and it was ends up
• 30:44
  being worn by Hobbs Kessler in a new world record of 448.79.
• 30:50
  Absolutely taking care of Grant Fisher, the current Z 3005
• 30:55
  thousand metre world record holder on the indoor from last
• 30:59
  year 44948 Grant ran. But the way that Kezler moved
• 31:05
  away from him again, it was just done with so much decisiveness.
• 31:11
  And I don't know if you see in his post race interview where he
• 31:15
  talks about exploding rather than squeezing.
• 31:19
  And the guy who's asking him the question like kind of picks up
• 31:22
  on it. And he's like, like, what does
• 31:24
  that feel like when you're when like you want to go there and
• 31:28
  your body responds And he's just like on an absolute hype Kesla.
• 31:32
  So yeah, what do you guys reckon?
• 31:37
  I was just super chuffed. I think we spoke about this a
• 31:40
  little bit off air, but like, I feel like Hobbs, Kessler and
• 31:46
  Cooper tier aren't are running so well, but aren't necessarily
• 31:50
  getting all the plaudits that some of the other guys are
• 31:52
  getting and the opportunities. And so when you see someone
• 31:54
  that's a bit in the background and because he ran so well,
• 31:58
  remember he dubbed board at Tokyo in the 8 and 1500 when
• 32:01
  you're super young and you're just like so excited for him and
• 32:04
  because he's such a nice, likeable person.
• 32:07
  He had, they had a great conversation with him on the
• 32:09
  Coffee Club podcast, I think, didn't they?
• 32:12
  Everyone. And so, yeah, wait.
• 32:14
  And so, you know, he's sort of been a bit down and out to a
• 32:18
  degree and see, and you could see just how excited he was when
• 32:21
  he crossed the finish line. And to have his own bit of
• 32:24
  history being a world record. It was, yeah.
• 32:27
  I don't know what's the highlight for me.
• 32:30
  This is Second World record in the Mile world record as well.
• 32:33
  Has he? He's had the road mile world
• 32:36
  record. I'm pretty sure you've got Kevin
• 32:37
  Nelson. Yes.
• 32:39
  Was that the inaugural? Yeah, the first one, yeah, yeah.
• 32:45
  I know this, the field here is probably better and deeper than
• 32:48
  the one that Colin Cooper ran in, but he's run 4 seconds
• 32:52
  quicker than what Carl Hawker ran as well, which is like a
• 32:56
  decent margin isn't it? Yes, huge.
• 33:01
  But I'm going to say the one called Hawker was in like that
• 33:06
  wasn't even on anyone's like, radar that meet, like, this meet
• 33:09
  was built up. Grant Fisher was going to go out
• 33:12
  really hard as it is. So it was sort of set up for,
• 33:15
  like a record, whereas Jordan, I don't think, wasn't as much.
• 33:19
  Yeah. And.
• 33:20
  He literally had the perfect sit of the race in there.
• 33:23
  Like, in terms of, yeah, he just sat on him until, what, a
• 33:26
  hundred, 150 minutes to go and kicked Like it was if you had
• 33:30
  the capacity to hang, then it was the perfect, perfectly timed
• 33:36
  race. And both Grant Fisher and Grand
• 33:39
  Blancs are the type of guys that they don't seem to have the best
• 33:42
  turn of speed. They're just from the grind
• 33:44
  guys, you know? And so, if you're fit enough,
• 33:47
  they'd make for the perfect pacesetter.
• 33:51
  It seems to be becoming increasingly less relevant.
• 33:54
  Like being, well, no, this kind of contradicts itself.
• 33:58
  But like Fisher and Blanks, their ability to like squeeze
• 34:03
  the race out like Jacob does as well, like the guys who can
• 34:08
  close and can kick. They're they're just leveling up
• 34:11
  their fitness to be able to not get dropped and then they just
• 34:15
  kick past them. Yeah, I think you either need to
• 34:18
  be so clearly fitter or you're in trouble because the guys that
• 34:23
  can hang with will just close out, you know, close over the
• 34:27
  top of you. Which is maybe a good segue to
• 34:29
  comment on Jack Whiteman, who maybe we foreshadowed slightly.
• 34:34
  You know, he's tends to cheat it peak for championship racing.
• 34:36
  So like he ran, he's to like 453, he's flying.
• 34:40
  But he was he was never really in it, was he?
• 34:45
  Now the race kind of split, didn't it?
• 34:48
  He's ended up actually run rewrite in the British record
• 34:51
  books though on the back of George Cusi running that 457 on
• 34:54
  Fridays. Then again took another 4
• 34:56
  seconds off the British record. Bit of a.
• 35:00
  He dropped off. He dropped off pretty early.
• 35:02
  I think he was going to, like drop way back, but he must have
• 35:05
  held it together fair bit. And you have to take into
• 35:08
  account theater boys were going out with record pace.
• 35:10
  So sure, probably be happy with that, yeah.
• 35:13
  And it was no slouch, right? The guys that were ahead of him,
• 35:16
  like, was it Pakili's, Pakili's last World record?
• 35:19
  Did I see that? Is that right?
• 35:20
  Yeah, it was. Poor guy.
• 35:24
  Yeah, he's irrelevant now. Dean, do you want to talk about
• 35:29
  this women's 3000 meters? Because I know we had a better
• 35:33
  chatter on this one last week as well.
• 35:34
  And there's a couple of your country women in here.
• 35:38
  Yeah. So to recap the results, the
• 35:41
  winner was at least Saint Pierre in 82654.
• 35:48
  Second was Linden Hall in 8/27/03 and 3rd and a little
• 35:55
  bit, surprisingly, a bit bit of a ways off was just how in
• 35:59
  83603. And then yeah, 4th and 5th, just
• 36:04
  quickly 838 for Emily McKay and Hannah Nuttall.
• 36:12
  But yeah, a little bit a little bit surprising in in a couple of
• 36:17
  respects. But we did foreshadow that Ellie
• 36:21
  Saint Pierre tends to run well in indoors, but we weren't
• 36:30
  really sure of her shape because we'll be right in thinking that
• 36:34
  she's recently been on recently had leave for for for a child.
• 36:42
  Maternity leave, yeah. I was looking for maternity
• 36:45
  leave. I don't know, does it apply in
• 36:47
  in professional sporting context?
• 36:51
  But but yeah, obviously she's returned very well to form.
• 36:58
  But yeah, perhaps Jess Hull was a bit surprising to be looking
• 37:04
  so comfy. But then, like, I don't know,
• 37:07
  Linden's race was it 2 weeks ago was pretty exceptional.
• 37:11
  And then in the 8 bytes, the four by 2K.
• 37:15
  But then to sort of to carry that form into this was, yeah,
• 37:20
  pretty phenomenal. Yeah, because whenever there's
• 37:25
  say, if Linden ran this race and Jess wasn't there, you would be
• 37:28
  very impressed. But you don't almost have that
• 37:30
  like direct comparison or measurements.
• 37:33
  But then when the two of them are side by side and you're
• 37:35
  like, shit, she beat Jess Hall by 9 seconds.
• 37:39
  And. But to be fair, it looked as
• 37:41
  though like it was Jess's undoing of herself rather than
• 37:46
  like as good of a run as Lyndon had.
• 37:48
  It was clear that Jess kind of fell off the pace after
• 37:51
  attempting to take it on when the pacemaker dropped off,
• 37:54
  wasn't it? She was the one like kind of
• 37:56
  driving it. And those two girls were sitting
• 37:58
  on her and at a point Lyndon was almost dropped off the back,
• 38:02
  wasn't she? There was like a meter or Two's
• 38:04
  gap and then I think Jess slowed, which allowed Lyndon to
• 38:08
  reattach. And then, yeah, just like out of
• 38:11
  nowhere almost, it just looks like her legs had just gone from
• 38:15
  underneath her and that we've seen that happen.
• 38:18
  I can't remember which Diamond League it was last year.
• 38:20
  I remember 1 towards the back end of the year and she got like
• 38:23
  done on the line and then it almost happened again.
• 38:27
  So yes, I mean, she was clearly trying to peek for a couple of
• 38:31
  weeks back at world cross country.
• 38:32
  And maybe this is just one race too far.
• 38:34
  She needs to go back into some base training or something.
• 38:37
  But I'm no expert, I'm just offering critical opinion.
• 38:43
  To be honest, it's her first bad race in how long?
• 38:45
  Like you're allowed to have an off day, so I wouldn't be
• 38:48
  reading too much into it. Yeah.
• 38:51
  And probably just a bit of a comment of just how good Linda's
• 38:54
  race was really, like you say, probably a bit of an off day,
• 38:58
  but 826 like, and I think you mentioned in the it's mentioned
• 39:03
  in our our notes, But like, I remember when is it Georgia
• 39:08
  Griffith when she ran out 24 was not not that long ago.
• 39:13
  And that was spoken about. That was was that last year in
• 39:16
  the lead up to the world champs? And that was quite an impressive
• 39:19
  run. So to be running, I am only a
• 39:23
  couple of seconds slower on an indoor track, which you have to
• 39:26
  do double the lap. So it's twice the amount of
• 39:28
  turns which is made, which is meant to be slower than outdoors
• 39:33
  is. It's pretty, pretty great going.
• 39:37
  Yeah, second fastest Aussie indoors behind only chess's run.
• 39:42
  Or then if you include outdoors times as well, it's third
• 39:46
  fastest with including that George's run.
• 39:48
  So yeah, remarkably fast was at 240 nines.
• 39:56
  And when are when are world champs coming up?
• 40:01
  I think it's March in Poland, so it's it's a bit of a drag away
• 40:06
  considering like the get going now with the race and you.
• 40:10
  Yeah, I thought it was normally a bit sooner than sooner in the
• 40:13
  past and I've had it, but hopefully a few few Aussies had
• 40:19
  over for it that are in form and I carry that form into that.
• 40:23
  The last race here was a bit shorter.
• 40:27
  It was an 800 meters for the men and this one was all built
• 40:33
  around Josh Howie. It was quite clear, I think he's
• 40:36
  he stated himself in the lead up to this very boldly that he was
• 40:39
  going for another indoor world record having already taken the
• 40:43
  600 meter one in in December. And what's funny or quite ironic
• 40:49
  is going into this, Josh Howey is the reigning 800 meters world
• 40:54
  indoor champion from earlier last year.
• 40:56
  And then obviously we know how his outdoor season played out.
• 40:59
  He didn't end up making the team so given he's ran that 600 metre
• 41:04
  world record a couple a month or so ago, he's clearly come back
• 41:08
  with the the bit between his teeth and I think he's sacked.
• 41:12
  I don't know about sack, but he's swapped his coach, he's got
• 41:15
  a new coach in and he's doing everything his way.
• 41:18
  So clearly not cutting any corners and that's led to he did
• 41:21
  get the world record. I think he's ran 142.5, think
• 41:26
  the previous world record was at .67 or something like that.
• 41:30
  Yeah. Sometimes that is to beat the
• 41:34
  Polish guy in second who was 2 seconds back and almost
• 41:39
  irrelevant really in the race. And then there was a Dutch guy
• 41:43
  who also ran a national record in 144.
• 41:46
  But yeah, what was your observations on how, how, how he
• 41:49
  done this? He would have won the 600 meter
• 41:53
  race as well with his 600 meter split in this.
• 41:57
  So yeah, he was just a man on a mission.
• 42:04
  So he got 11619. Yeah, he's one by 2/10.
• 42:10
  Wow. Yeah, so.
• 42:12
  He was man on a. Mission, I mean, I don't like
• 42:17
  that's phenomenal. And the fact that he called it
• 42:20
  like called his shot like there was content.
• 42:23
  I think do we speak about it last week that there was like
• 42:25
  some content on the on the Internet, like a YouTube series.
• 42:30
  Do you ever watch? Is it total running productions?
• 42:32
  Is that what it's called that's on there?
• 42:34
  And they sometimes it's like a voiceover and they sort of
• 42:38
  comment on running news and those sorts of things.
• 42:39
  They're like 10 minute YouTube clips.
• 42:42
  But they mentioned that, yeah, he's having a shot at this world
• 42:47
  record. And like, it's not a, you know,
• 42:49
  we talk about maybe some of these indoor records or soft
• 42:53
  records, like some of them might rarely run distances.
• 42:56
  So therefore not that if they're not raced that often and they're
• 43:00
  not big races, then they're not going to be that fast.
• 43:03
  Whereas this is like I remember watching this video on YouTube
• 43:07
  of when this Wilson Kipp Couture initially ran out and like him
• 43:13
  running, blasting around that indoor track like it's like one
• 43:17
  of them all well well known records.
• 43:20
  So for him to call to call it ahead of time and to also split
• 43:25
  with his coach. Remember, he was being coached,
• 43:26
  wasn't he being coached by Justin Rinaldi, the Aussie
• 43:29
  coach? And he and he was a bit public
• 43:31
  in saying like, I want to go harder.
• 43:34
  And people are like, this guy's just going to burn out.
• 43:37
  And he's he's obviously ripping workouts, feeling fast and then
• 43:41
  backing it up by rat by taking down a very fast record.
• 43:45
  It's pretty cool. I'm.
• 43:48
  Sorry, January. I don't feel laughed.
• 43:53
  He's just saying he's gonna and look and he did last year,
• 43:56
  right. That was the that was a bit of a
• 43:58
  knock was that he was fit early in the season and then he
• 44:03
  didn't, he was not informed come the US trials, couldn't run his
• 44:09
  way through the Diamond League final, could he, to get that
• 44:11
  golden ticket and therefore didn't get to compete.
• 44:14
  So yeah. It was cool the way his brother
• 44:17
  paced him, wasn't it? I don't know how fit his brother
• 44:20
  is. Obviously he's very fit to be
• 44:21
  able to pace him halfway through this.
• 44:24
  But his his form, he looked like he's trying a hell of a lot
• 44:28
  harder than Josh. I don't know if you've seen it.
• 44:32
  And am I right in thinking are these are guys with the
• 44:34
  athletics track at home? Yeah.
• 44:38
  Yeah, it's a joke. I get a life.
• 44:46
  Says US sitting here talking about him.
• 44:50
  Imagine the workouts those two would have done on that track.
• 44:53
  Like if the if one of them's able to pace the other one to a
• 44:56
  world record. Like that's not.
• 44:57
  Killed each other. Imagine and like why is it
• 45:01
  culturally acceptable to have like a tennis court in your
• 45:04
  backyard, but you can't have a, you know, an indoor or outdoor
• 45:07
  running track I. Think a running track is a tiny
• 45:11
  bit more expensive and a fridge and tennis court concrete.
• 45:18
  And they just had a big in that video.
• 45:19
  They just had like, they're like their youths just parked up on
• 45:23
  lane 8. Where else would you get it?
• 45:26
  It was pretty cool voice. Yeah, it may be culturally
• 45:33
  acceptable to have a tennis court, but for the the English
• 45:37
  and the Irish listeners, it's not culturally achievable more
• 45:41
  often than not. Oh, it sounds like you might
• 45:44
  take up half of half of Ireland. Given I'd nip down South for the
• 45:49
  weekend. I could have driven across
• 45:51
  Ireland. You definitely could have.
• 45:53
  You definitely could have, yeah. That's us for the results, I
• 45:58
  think. Doctor Sanders happened.
• 46:02
  So this is sort of like a lower level race that if you win the
• 46:06
  mile, you can get into Melrose, you can get into Melrose game.
• 46:12
  So two big names in this one, but it was won by Flavian sought
• 46:17
  from France in 354. Then second was Wes Porter run
• 46:22
  354. He would be a training partner
• 46:25
  of Adam Fogg and he actually represented America in the and
• 46:32
  yeah, just gone. And other noble mention.
• 46:35
  Well, third was Fuad Misodi from Morocco and 355 noble mentions
• 46:42
  were Eric Halt, he around 355, Callum Allison around 356.46.
• 46:48
  And that's really. And on the women's side, it was
• 46:52
  won by Will Matt Nelson, who ran 426.
• 46:55
  Second was Rachel MacArthur, who ran 426 high.
• 46:58
  She's gone out with Cooper Tier. And then third was Sadie
• 47:02
  Englehurst, who ran 427. Yeah, that's just another little
• 47:09
  race that's in the Armory in New York City.
• 47:15
  Seen that there was an 800 meter there as well which that Cooper
• 47:19
  look looking house. You know the 16 year old
• 47:22
  American kid, he won him 145 I think it was.
• 47:27
  Yeah, I did see that pop up on my feed.
• 47:30
  Was it some sort of American age group record or something like
• 47:33
  that? Did they say?
• 47:35
  Probably for for the indoors because they're on on Let's Run.
• 47:40
  They were kind of previewing it last week and they were giving
• 47:43
  him a pass mark of like 147 or 148 even.
• 47:46
  And so then I think 1:45 is pretty impressive.
• 47:51
  Which then? So he knocked out Josh Holley
• 47:55
  from getting a spot in at Tokyo and how he's gone 3 seconds
• 47:59
  faster. Yes.
• 48:03
  I still can't believe the fact that he and the guy that
• 48:06
  finished fourth at the world champs, he was ahead of 3/4 of
• 48:11
  the way into his race, but he is flying.
• 48:16
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 48:19
  Far out and they were trying to theorize how much because like
• 48:25
  you mentioned before, the more bends you run, perhaps the
• 48:28
  slower you're going to be. So naturally the indoor times
• 48:32
  come out a little slower than the outdoor times in the 800 at
• 48:35
  least they're trying to kind of like put put a number on it,
• 48:39
  what's it worth? And they're coming out like
• 48:41
  point 6.7 of a second. So basically he's in 141 high
• 48:46
  shape to be able to do that, which is basically world record
• 48:49
  shape in the outdoors. Hurry, the young lad.
• 48:53
  How he based on what what he's run there, but.
• 48:56
  Didn't he run 142 1/2? That's what I mean, yeah.
• 49:00
  But he's he's run 8 bends hasn't he?
• 49:03
  Yeah. So that's take off the like no,
• 49:06
  not pair bend oh for the 800 distance. 137.
• 49:12
  He's on something here. What are they growing on?
• 49:16
  How we found. Sure.
• 49:17
  No, You mean yet it's worth, Yeah, 6/10 percent over the
• 49:21
  course of the race, right. Yeah.
• 49:23
  Because that's really all these. Oh, what are they?
• 49:26
  What's Rhodesia run like 140.9 or something?
• 49:30
  Is it? Is it in the 1:40?
• 49:32
  I think he's the only one to run under 141.
• 49:36
  That's a bizarre record in itself, isn't it?
• 49:39
  It's funny though, that the indoor 800, when when you look
• 49:43
  at it, the record, at least that guy, the Danish guy, Wilson kept
• 49:48
  Katia, he'd had it for 29 years. So obviously it's a really tough
• 49:53
  and strong record. But the actual list of people in
• 49:57
  the top ten, top 20, not like everyone has kind of like had to
• 50:02
  go with it, which maybe that just means the record was so
• 50:07
  strong, people have never looked at it and thought, yeah, I'll
• 50:10
  have a go with that. Can I get my shoe bonus?
• 50:13
  I think it's people don't care about indoors, like it's a bit
• 50:17
  relevant for a lot of people. I think yeah, but but I think
• 50:22
  it's it's become back in vogue because they've statue contracts
• 50:26
  where you get a bonus for running for breaking a national
• 50:29
  record, which is, or world record, which is clever.
• 50:32
  And then also in the in the new era, we're running to qualifying
• 50:37
  step. Meeting qualifying standards is
• 50:38
  so hard. Some of these meets like you
• 50:40
  know that Boston 5K, which is like how many people run under
• 50:45
  13 minutes, like it's starting to become a bit more relevant
• 50:49
  because it's the best way to run standards.
• 50:52
  I have heard though that like say for the comp games that are
• 50:55
  coming up that filled for some silly reason Australian
• 50:59
  athletics, their policy is such that you don't you can't qualify
• 51:03
  off an indoor time. Well, they've got Boston track
• 51:07
  is a cheat code. Like it's got springs underneath
• 51:10
  you. Like it shouldn't nearly be
• 51:11
  allowed because they're like totally different.
• 51:13
  I don't know about that. I think to be to be fair though,
• 51:17
  there's a, there's a bit of with the indoors, it seems to be like
• 51:21
  hard to even harder than the outdoor races to get into.
• 51:25
  So like only some athletes may have access to be able to do
• 51:29
  them. So it does kind of level the
• 51:30
  playing field from a qualifying perspective a bit.
• 51:34
  Yeah, but I mean you can now get the same for the diamond legs.
• 51:38
  Yeah, true. If you're good enough, you'll be
• 51:41
  able to get into the races regardless if you're going to be
• 51:43
  qualifying. It's hot and so hard to make
• 51:46
  these bloody standards. So anyway.
• 51:50
  Oh. Owen, did you want to give us
• 51:52
  your training week? Right.
• 51:55
  OK, starting on the Monday treadmill in the morning, went
• 51:59
  to the gym, run just for 60 minutes, so around 13 kilometers
• 52:04
  for 38 that evening and just the usual double, just the usual
• 52:09
  easy double. I just went for 45 minutes and
• 52:11
  strides 12K at four 30s. So Mondays are usually around
• 52:17
  like 20 to 20 Yeah, rather just bank some early miles for the
• 52:21
  week. Tuesday was a little bit of a
• 52:25
  session, so went to treadmill. It was at 3 by 10 minutes off 5.
• 52:32
  So yeah, I think running the first two reps that are in three
• 52:37
  O 9 per kilometer and the set, the third Rep was around three O
• 52:40
  7. So yeah, he got right 12K worth
• 52:44
  of work in there. Wednesday it was.
• 52:50
  I just cross trained on the Wednesday.
• 52:54
  Oh actually, no, that Tuesday I done a second run, a break.
• 52:58
  I dipped out during work and I just got 40 minutes in.
• 53:02
  So I was like 9.2 K at 4:19 Wednesday morning, got up and
• 53:08
  done 60 minutes on the elliptical.
• 53:12
  Getting really sick of the elliptical.
• 53:13
  I just would rather do anything else than just go on to be
• 53:17
  honest. Choose Wednesday evening I just
• 53:21
  done my circuit class. Thursday morning I just had 40
• 53:26
  minutes in the morning. So again, 9K at like four 30s.
• 53:31
  And then Friday I had a little VO2 test in in College in Dublin
• 53:39
  and Carl training. It's like any Irish people will
• 53:42
  know, like the Trinity is where I like the smart kids go.
• 53:44
  So I always feel like I'm an imposter walking in here
• 53:46
  because, like, I have a brain cell in my head.
• 53:50
  But yeah. So the fitness test is you go
• 53:55
  in, they make you blow through this like tube to test, like how
• 53:59
  your lungs work. Then you hop on the treadmill,
• 54:03
  you run for I think it's 3 minutes at each pace.
• 54:08
  So I think it was 3 minutes at 3 minutes at like 14 kilometers an
• 54:15
  hour, 3 minutes at 16 kilometers an hour, 3 minutes.
• 54:18
  Seventeen 18/19/2021 until like you can't run anymore And yeah,
• 54:25
  test out. Well, like my heart rate was
• 54:28
  lower than last time. My life takes were lower than
• 54:30
  last time. And so the main thing like he,
• 54:36
  my body fat is like I'm 10% body fat.
• 54:39
  If I could get, get, if I could get that down to like 8%, it
• 54:42
  would just bring down like I'm just carrying less weight.
• 54:45
  Umm, but like my training is working.
• 54:47
  So ideally, umm, I tested that pretty soon.
• 54:51
  I only had like 3 and a bit months since my last Test so
• 54:55
  like next time I'll wait getting our test now at the end of
• 54:58
  summer or something to see how much I improved or if I did
• 55:01
  improve it at all. But like I'm going in the right
• 55:04
  direction. Basically just need a stack, not
• 55:06
  like 3 years of consistency on for this and.
• 55:11
  Did you take any observations around?
• 55:14
  Because I remember last time you did this which like you say is 3
• 55:17
  months ago. An observation was when you do
• 55:20
  some threshold work that you could maybe train at a slightly
• 55:24
  higher heart rate slash intensity for some of that LT2
• 55:27
  work. Did you take any other
• 55:30
  observations away this time? Not really because like I there
• 55:35
  wasn't that much bigger period like between and when you race
• 55:39
  because I race like relatively frequently.
• 55:42
  Like you don't get that big bass to actually see the improvement.
• 55:45
  So ideally did do a six month or 4 month block, just do a load
• 55:51
  load of work and then you'd see a big jump because I'm like
• 55:55
  chopping it up and the progress isn't as big, let's say.
• 56:01
  But yeah, I know. I just need to keep on doing
• 56:04
  that. Doing.
• 56:05
  Yeah, yeah. And yeah, and pleasing with some
• 56:10
  of like the velocity like you, you would have been for the same
• 56:13
  lactate levels, maybe slightly higher in terms of treadmill
• 56:16
  pace or you're just sort of seeing a different plot like for
• 56:18
  the same you, you getting your lactate tested the whole time.
• 56:22
  So you're probably just seeing that.
• 56:24
  So I suppose like because the question normally what you want
• 56:28
  to find is donate plotter on graphs and you want to find your
• 56:31
  LT1 and LT2 like inflection inflection points and they give
• 56:36
  that in a velocity IE like at a treadmill speed.
• 56:39
  So you would use while the different ratings this time
• 56:42
  around. So like my yeah, my lactate is
• 56:44
  like starting to peak later on in the curve basically.
• 56:47
  So I'm just becoming more official.
• 56:48
  Cool. Oh yeah, that's cool.
• 56:51
  So I'm yeah, but I'd love to get my bloods done just to see if
• 56:55
  I'm lacking in anything, just for my own like head for some.
• 57:00
  It's a good job, man. Just.
• 57:01
  Yeah, I. Don't stuff it'd be good to.
• 57:03
  Yeah, vitamin D, like over here in Ireland, we need a bit of
• 57:06
  sun, I told you. More like Lyra.
• 57:09
  Was it when I was it? Yeah.
• 57:11
  So that was, I had to take some supplements off the back of when
• 57:15
  I got a scan, whenever it was, you know, when I got some, you
• 57:21
  know, that pubic stress. When I saw the sports doctor,
• 57:23
  she recommended I get a blood test.
• 57:26
  And the only thing that I was low in was the was was vitamin
• 57:30
  D. Yeah.
• 57:32
  Yeah, because they can show up being potentially susceptible to
• 57:36
  like bone injuries and stuff. Can't.
• 57:38
  That was, it was a blood test that was really focused on
• 57:41
  trying to uncover anything that might have been a cause my yeah
• 57:48
  issue. So that was something.
• 57:49
  But yeah, that'd be a good idea. Get the time.
• 57:54
  Yeah, so, and I've got my health insurance now at work so I can
• 57:57
  claim some of the back. So yeah, I'll definitely be
• 58:00
  taken advantage of that. Is the body fat thing something
• 58:04
  which you're going to like deliberately work on?
• 58:07
  See, it's so hard because you're training at such a high
• 58:10
  intensity. If I start con or anything, I'll
• 58:12
  just get injured or sick or something.
• 58:14
  You just have to do it when you're not like training hard,
• 58:17
  basically like your man Jack O'Leary.
• 58:19
  He pulled, he pulled his training right down and he just
• 58:22
  basically, yeah, he cut a load of weight.
• 58:25
  And you just, you find a time of the year to do it.
• 58:27
  And I'm probably better off just doing it over like a long period
• 58:30
  of time. And so yeah, and that's in my
• 58:34
  own head as well. Like I'm so sort of like
• 58:37
  paranoid about my way and all, which probably isn't the best
• 58:39
  way to be, but. Like you're so I just wouldn't
• 58:43
  sweat it like you're flying the hardest things, the training and
• 58:46
  being resilient to injury. Like personally, I you're doing
• 58:53
  and like you said, the hardest thing for you is your consist
• 58:55
  is, is stacking. Like this is your best, what, 4
• 58:58
  month block ever? Probably month 6.
• 59:02
  Like I just just keep banking that.
• 59:04
  It's so good. You're in such good shape.
• 59:07
  Everything's flowing really nicely.
• 59:08
  Your body's been holding up really well, putting putting
• 59:11
  aside some minor things, but like, yeah, like all that sort
• 59:17
  of stuff at some point may get you really cherry right for
• 59:20
  something. But like directionally this is
• 59:24
  this is such a nice, you're in such a nice block.
• 59:27
  I'll just try and stay in there. Unlike the period where I've
• 59:31
  done my tests like it's very common for at least to be a
• 59:34
  little bit heavier in this period where you're like cross
• 59:36
  country, you're loading like Christmas as well, you're
• 59:39
  obviously going to might be a little bit heavier.
• 59:41
  So I come track season, I'd hope like you might be like 2 KG a
• 59:45
  lighter. So yeah, you have to take that
• 59:48
  into account as well. Yeah, look at Jake Smith as
• 59:52
  well. His his body fat now versus his
• 59:55
  body fat in his his first rendition.
• 59:57
  He'd be carrying a lot more weight now.
• 1:00:01
  And did you see his post? He just ran like a 220K weight,
• 1:00:04
  Absolutely, absolutely flying around.
• 1:00:07
  So yeah, good good example. And it can probably almost be
• 1:00:14
  something when you felt like you banged your head against a brick
• 1:00:16
  wall for like 6 or 12 months and stagnated through train and it's
• 1:00:20
  like maybe like a last resort, somewhere to go.
• 1:00:25
  And yeah, so that was was that was early Friday morning and
• 1:00:30
  then that evening I just got out to show up the legs, 45 minutes,
• 1:00:33
  420 threes, so around 10K. And next morning was the track
• 1:00:37
  session, so and the plan was to do 2 by 1K of 60 seconds.
• 1:00:44
  Then you had two minutes rest and then it was three sets of
• 1:00:48
  403 hundred 200 of 45 seconds with two minutes in between each
• 1:00:53
  set. So there was terrible wind along
• 1:01:00
  the back straight. It is track.
• 1:01:01
  It just was not fun as soon as you had it, like, yeah, it was
• 1:01:05
  just super shit. So it's so annoying.
• 1:01:07
  First, yeah, the first I've mentioned today is that like a
• 1:01:10
  whole like goal, 5K pace, so umm, 250 per kilometer.
• 1:01:15
  But I just, I wasn't having it today, that day.
• 1:01:18
  So I think I was like 250 fives and they felt hard and then the
• 1:01:23
  sets after or meant to be a 3K pace, but because the wind I'd
• 1:01:26
  just be digging myself into a hole and especially after the
• 1:01:28
  test the day before. So we just cut down back to 5K
• 1:01:31
  pace as well. So the four hundreds were in 60
• 1:01:35
  eights, the three hundreds were in 30 fours and the two hundreds
• 1:01:38
  were in like 30 ones 30s. And I've done the last set in
• 1:01:43
  them spikes. My spikes I'll be wearing
• 1:01:45
  hopefully for the indoors. So yeah, again like I felt so
• 1:01:50
  shit in the 1st two KS, 21 KS, but after that I actually felt
• 1:01:54
  good and probably helped. I had like my training pairs
• 1:01:58
  like told me around a little bit.
• 1:01:59
  So that was nice. And Saturday evening I don't 45
• 1:02:06
  minutes again, 10K420 fours. And then Sunday was the long
• 1:02:12
  run. So it was 90 minutes where 20
• 1:02:17
  minute pick up at the end. So and I wore the Puma Velocity
• 1:02:23
  fours. So just like your average daily
• 1:02:24
  trainer really like to shoe and yeah, I averaged like 23 odd
• 1:02:32
  kilometer at a pace of 4A340 sevens.
• 1:02:36
  So yeah, decent chunk there. And I had like my big style
• 1:02:40
  halfway true. And then some of that carb mix,
• 1:02:42
  the salty carb mix laughter to replenish myself.
• 1:02:47
  So yeah, 132 K for the for the week and yeah, I could be racing
• 1:02:57
  I well, the plan is to race this Saturday, making my debut in the
• 1:03:01
  1500. My ankle is not get is not
• 1:03:07
  improving. So I'm tossing that up.
• 1:03:13
  But yeah, we'll see how it plays out.
• 1:03:16
  I'm constantly getting, I'm really getting physio twice a
• 1:03:19
  week on it, which is greatly hurting my bank account, but
• 1:03:24
  it's for my sanity. I'm going to go sauna tonight to
• 1:03:27
  try and get some heat into output.
• 1:03:29
  Like it's OK to run on. It's just it's there, which is
• 1:03:33
  the annoying thing. Like if I had to run on this for
• 1:03:35
  the rest of my life like I could.
• 1:03:36
  It's just it annoys me that it's not 100%.
• 1:03:39
  So yeah, we'll see how things go.
• 1:03:42
  But yeah, 1500 debut and this Saturday, which is exciting.
• 1:03:48
  You know the. Over under. 5 minutes. 5
• 1:03:54
  minutes. That'll be if the ankle does
• 1:03:57
  bust, won't it? I don't know.
• 1:04:00
  Like Josh Kerr just hobbling around.
• 1:04:04
  That that long run 340 sevens, is that we just do a steady the
• 1:04:08
  whole way or is that because you've really cranked it up to
• 1:04:12
  like three 10s or something in there?
• 1:04:15
  Yes, no for the 1st 70 minutes. Can I see the splits here for 70
• 1:04:19
  minutes? I'd say it was averaging like 4
• 1:04:21
  minute case and then I sort of yeah, picked it up for the last
• 1:04:25
  20 which was fun. Again, it's on a lovely like
• 1:04:31
  Greenway in in now than close to where I live.
• 1:04:35
  So a Greenway is basically it's like runs along an old and
• 1:04:39
  strain track but just goes on for like 36 K or something like
• 1:04:44
  that. Crazy.
• 1:04:45
  And so yeah, it's over the end back.
• 1:04:49
  And there I asked with the 1500 meters when you put your entry
• 1:04:53
  and you were about to put a predicted time in.
• 1:04:57
  I did, I didn't, and my club entered me, so I don't know what
• 1:05:00
  the hell they put. I don't even know what you say.
• 1:05:03
  I don't know. Yeah.
• 1:05:04
  What? What's the world?
• 1:05:09
  Well then doors like 332 or something.
• 1:05:14
  And yeah, the exciting to see. I just don't be in a world of
• 1:05:17
  pain. I don't even know how to run
• 1:05:19
  out. Like just hang on.
• 1:05:21
  Will you buy Carba? Oh, buy carb, Namio, the whole
• 1:05:26
  yeah, I owe them to everything. Maybe a two shots Anomio could
• 1:05:32
  come into. That could be the secrets.
• 1:05:35
  No, we're not doing that. I'll be flooded.
• 1:05:37
  Left it enough. Oh, that's so funny.
• 1:05:40
  But yeah. And any idea like is there like
• 1:05:46
  6 different 1500 meter races if you've been seeded into which
• 1:05:50
  one or anything like that? It's like the lands there.
• 1:05:53
  So I really, I don't, I think there's only one race, which
• 1:05:59
  yeah, I don't know like even on a 200 meter like track, I
• 1:06:02
  haven't run indoors. I think I ran indoors once
• 1:06:04
  before when I was like a kid. So it's just going to be so
• 1:06:08
  different to what I'm used to and.
• 1:06:11
  Those indoor tracks or cheat codes though aren't they?
• 1:06:13
  So you should run really. Fast.
• 1:06:16
  It's not embossed themselves. We'll see what happens.
• 1:06:21
  Not expecting anything crazy. Hopefully you make it there in
• 1:06:25
  one piece. Main go main goal.
• 1:06:28
  Yeah, exactly. Just keep this ankle.
• 1:06:31
  And that's the ankle is really annoying me because it's like I
• 1:06:34
  rolled it myself. It's not like I got it like in a
• 1:06:38
  running in a race or something like that.
• 1:06:40
  It's just fucking rolled at being an idiot.
• 1:06:45
  Could you get it strap to ask the physio to strap at all?
• 1:06:48
  I think it's the tendons and ligaments.
• 1:06:51
  They're just angry at me and I'm always constantly like trying to
• 1:06:57
  get like massage Domino, but I don't know.
• 1:07:00
  I don't know, I. Have to get some custom Yacob
• 1:07:05
  shoes. Yeah, I'll get on to my sponsor.
• 1:07:14
  The interview keep taking over. Another good week.
• 1:07:18
  Yeah, direction. Trying to yeah, I can yeah roll
• 1:07:24
  through it if you like. So yeah, on Monday, just
• 1:07:28
  commuting to and from the office, no gym.
• 1:07:34
  I need to be home to look after the kids, so just straight home
• 1:07:37
  on Monday. Tuesday I got down to herdsman
• 1:07:42
  and just did 8 by two minutes on one minute float, not going at
• 1:07:47
  threshold, but just it's more or less at the point where I'm just
• 1:07:51
  trying to introduce a little bit more intensity through my pelvis
• 1:07:57
  area each time I do a workout. So I've sort of progressed from
• 1:08:01
  15 KS an hour, 15 and a half, 1616 1/2 rah rah rah.
• 1:08:05
  So this is at that maybe 17 1/2 KS an hour, sort of 18 KS an
• 1:08:08
  hour for the for the odds. Is this with Steve Skyden still?
• 1:08:13
  Is he still like walking you through it or to see you now?
• 1:08:16
  It's more me now. So he's giving me, he's given me
• 1:08:20
  his blessing and we've booked in an A check in end of Feb.
• 1:08:27
  But he just said just be careful as you're increasing intensity
• 1:08:32
  to not yeah, not just to not rush it.
• 1:08:36
  And, and I explained to him what I've been doing in terms of
• 1:08:39
  slowly increasing half AK an hour with some of these
• 1:08:41
  treadmill intervals. And he seemed to think that that
• 1:08:46
  was a sensible idea to keep doing that and incorporate my
• 1:08:50
  strides in and around that. So I think as I mentioned before
• 1:08:54
  each Mon, if I reflect on each Monday, like I'm not without
• 1:08:56
  some form of discomfort sometimes, some days I'll go for
• 1:08:59
  a run and it'd be completely fine.
• 1:09:01
  But some days I'll feel some things.
• 1:09:02
  But if I reflect on the Monday before, it's better than than
• 1:09:06
  that. And this Friday I'm getting a
• 1:09:08
  scan just to check in to make sure everything's looking all
• 1:09:10
  right. So which, yeah, hopefully will
• 1:09:14
  be fine. But yeah, so that's the the the
• 1:09:18
  feedback is just as I'm doing these workouts, just to toggle
• 1:09:23
  them up a little bit each time, which is what I've been doing.
• 1:09:27
  And I think what I did do, this one was like shorter intervals
• 1:09:31
  and maybe a little bit quicker. And I noticed when I jogged home
• 1:09:34
  up, other than my some adductor tightness, there was no
• 1:09:37
  discomfort in my, you know, where the original site of the
• 1:09:41
  discomfort where the issue is, which is a good sign I think.
• 1:09:44
  So did that in the morning, went for a jog in the evening, just
• 1:09:50
  easy 8 KS in the evening. Then Wednesday we're heading
• 1:09:54
  down South. So just before we headed down
• 1:09:55
  South, I just did like a steadier hour around that sort
• 1:10:02
  of four minute pace. And then Thursday I was down
• 1:10:09
  South and I just did an easy hour in the morning and an easy
• 1:10:13
  40 minutes in the afternoon. And then Friday I did 4K warm up
• 1:10:20
  and then I did 3 by 8 minutes and the 8 minutes were around
• 1:10:26
  320 pace the for the ONS and then two-minute float between
• 1:10:30
  those. So not really sort of getting up
• 1:10:34
  to threshold, like my heart rate was like 170.
• 1:10:37
  So it's like getting getting there.
• 1:10:38
  But it's still not quite marathon pace.
• 1:10:40
  Nothing too intense, but doing some work. 4K cool down Saturday
• 1:10:45
  and then a jog in the afternoon. Does it does it feel good to be
• 1:10:49
  doing like 8 minute reps with a relatively quick pace now Like
• 1:10:54
  feels? Yeah, it's a lot more again.
• 1:10:56
  Yeah, definitely. Yeah.
• 1:10:57
  Like as I was running towards the end in that last 8 minute
• 1:11:00
  Rep and you striding out, like I was getting a little bit
• 1:11:03
  quicker. Yeah, it feels fun.
• 1:11:06
  Like it feels like you're, you're running.
• 1:11:07
  So no, definitely, definitely enjoying the where, where will
• 1:11:13
  be where I'm, I mean, I'm very grateful that I'm able to do
• 1:11:17
  this for sure. And I'm really enjoying just
• 1:11:18
  being able to commute in and out of the office and like, just in
• 1:11:22
  terms of time, like this is the most efficient way for me to
• 1:11:26
  start getting like my training load is actually heading in the
• 1:11:29
  right direction again. Like everything feels like, you
• 1:11:32
  know, that nice tired in terms of the amount of training, the
• 1:11:35
  work you're doing, but it's not too much.
• 1:11:37
  I can see all of my like your VO2 on your on your garments
• 1:11:41
  ticking up your your heart rates coming down on your easy runs.
• 1:11:44
  Like all those just those nice feelings you're in that like
• 1:11:48
  regular training flow again. And it feels really nice.
• 1:11:51
  I think we're all be quite a bit more relaxed is where I'm not
• 1:11:55
  feeling discomfort and able to do workouts where I don't have
• 1:11:58
  to keep constantly thinking about the fact that I can't, I
• 1:12:02
  shouldn't. I've got to be careful in my
• 1:12:04
  approach. I think I'll be happy when I can
• 1:12:06
  just be a bit unrestricted with my training.
• 1:12:09
  But. Still very grateful.
• 1:12:12
  The week where you get home on a Thursday or something, like
• 1:12:14
  shit, I haven't felt my hip like all week.
• 1:12:17
  I've forgotten about it. That's that's what you need,
• 1:12:19
  isn't it? Yeah, exactly.
• 1:12:21
  And where I'm able to do like fully let go in a workout, like
• 1:12:25
  I'm still very much having to hold things back.
• 1:12:30
  But what I'm trying to focus on is the fact that I don't need to
• 1:12:33
  be doing that at the minute anyway.
• 1:12:34
  Like I'm still getting fitter each week with what I'm doing.
• 1:12:39
  And yeah, two runs again on the Saturday and then a shorter long
• 1:12:42
  run. We're we're a bit pressed.
• 1:12:43
  We're checking out from our accommodation.
• 1:12:44
  So I just did 80 minutes on yesterday morning.
• 1:12:50
  So it was what was it for the week?
• 1:12:53
  133 KS for the week A. 130. Two 132.
• 1:13:01
  That's it. We're the same. 132.8 What were
• 1:13:06
  you? I was 132 sorry I'm on your page
• 1:13:13
  and I was 132.1 so were you that mean?
• 1:13:24
  You're my answers 75.990 it's. Because I'm hiding some shit.
• 1:13:31
  Hi, Natalie. I don't.
• 1:13:32
  I only put up the sexy stuff. No one wants to see my OK warm
• 1:13:35
  ups and cool dance. Can can I subscribe to your
• 1:13:39
  straw? Is there any way of doing?
• 1:13:43
  That Hey, John. That's good, 132K.
• 1:13:51
  Are you planning to keep that rising Dean or you set a lot
• 1:13:53
  point where you settle down? No, I don't think so.
• 1:13:56
  I think once I get to maybe 140K is that I think if I'm doing
• 1:14:02
  anything more than that I'll do it by cross training.
• 1:14:06
  Yeah. OK, it's, it's my thinking.
• 1:14:08
  Yeah, yeah. Even around where I am, if I'm
• 1:14:12
  looking to do more, I think I can just ride and top it up that
• 1:14:15
  way. Like I think if I'm starting to
• 1:14:18
  polarize training again, you know, like doing proper training
• 1:14:20
  days, then what I'd what I'll do is then probably ride commute
• 1:14:25
  one of the other days to try and have a lighter day.
• 1:14:28
  That's my that's my thoughts. Nice.
• 1:14:34
  Yeah, had. No bike.
• 1:14:36
  Hopefully I had no bike or anything like that, but I was
• 1:14:38
  away so the easiest thing to do is just to get out and jog, yes.
• 1:14:43
  Will you be back on the Thursday and Saturday rides this week?
• 1:14:49
  I don't know, maybe I'm not sure yet.
• 1:14:53
  Yeah, perhaps one of them. It might be the way to do it.
• 1:15:00
  Well, segue to my week. I was going back to the Saturday
• 1:15:04
  morning ride for the first time in three weeks and I was
• 1:15:07
  petrified of being dropped. So the main goal was to survive,
• 1:15:12
  which happened. And then besides that, I'd done
• 1:15:17
  I'm up to 40 minutes now every other day, which is good in
• 1:15:21
  itself. However, still a slight bit of
• 1:15:24
  awareness like you're saying in around that not like pain as
• 1:15:28
  such, but it's just, and when I reflect, it's the same as how it
• 1:15:32
  felt when I'd done the five by one minute and the five by two
• 1:15:34
  minutes. So that's good.
• 1:15:37
  And I'm in with Steve tomorrow, so hopefully first time seeing
• 1:15:40
  him in three or four weeks to now get a plan as to how we can
• 1:15:44
  increase the frequency rather than just every other day.
• 1:15:48
  I'm assuming it'll be a backwards step, like do 20
• 1:15:51
  minutes today and 10 minutes tomorrow, but that's fine if it
• 1:15:56
  means that I can start running like almost every day.
• 1:16:00
  So yeah, I am the hot cross bun counter.
• 1:16:04
  Shit. I tried to keep it going.
• 1:16:06
  I think I'm on 21 hot cross buns and that sounds like that's like
• 1:16:11
  3 weeks of no ride. And I did go through a whole
• 1:16:14
  packet whilst just doing not nothing like.
• 1:16:16
  So then that bumped it up. And did you keep up on Saturday?
• 1:16:22
  Yeah, just there was a few moments where it was in severe
• 1:16:25
  jeopardy. That's terrific.
• 1:16:29
  Particularly when we caught one of the first red lights and half
• 1:16:33
  the group rolled through and half of us didn't.
• 1:16:36
  So then for the next like 20 minutes, part of the splits that
• 1:16:40
  I was in was desperate to get back on, so they were just
• 1:16:43
  nailing it. So yeah, it was good fun.
• 1:16:47
  It proper dusted the cobwebs off.
• 1:16:50
  With the the other regulars, did they get spit out the back the
• 1:16:53
  plugs that we used to ride with? Now, so Scott rolled through
• 1:16:56
  because he goes at the front now.
• 1:16:58
  And then Anthony and Santi went there.
• 1:17:00
  Ah, there. You go makes.
• 1:17:02
  Sense. Owens laughing.
• 1:17:03
  Did they listen to the podcast? Have cycling friends?
• 1:17:07
  Did they listen to the podcast? Oh, I don't think so.
• 1:17:11
  Maybe they're aware of it now. Cycling's the new running.
• 1:17:16
  Out tonight? It really isn't.
• 1:17:17
  Do you? Know what I do?
• 1:17:22
  You know what I got for Christmas?
• 1:17:24
  Like new bike shoes, a helmet? What am I?
• 1:17:30
  What is going on? You have to get a new helmet by
• 1:17:33
  the way, because the kids were ripping him for his old one.
• 1:17:36
  Little Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:17:39
  Well, obviously like some. So I'm a little bit older than
• 1:17:43
  some of them, believe it or not, own.
• 1:17:45
  And my kit happened to match my age because it was from when I
• 1:17:51
  bought it when I was last interested in cycling, which is
• 1:17:54
  20 years ago. And I didn't realize that it was
• 1:17:57
  so obvious, but it is. And once I pointed it out, even
• 1:18:01
  I could say that it's quite obviously from a different era.
• 1:18:06
  So vintage. Vintage.
• 1:18:08
  That's what they actually that was, yeah.
• 1:18:10
  You'd fit right in with them. The same comments.
• 1:18:14
  But Luke was also ripping me because I would turn up to the
• 1:18:17
  right and in running gear. In running shorts, yeah.
• 1:18:22
  See both cop in it. One of those 440 minute runs in
• 1:18:26
  the week. I did this this way.
• 1:18:28
  I need to see Steve tomorrow because it's been like that
• 1:18:30
  long. I'm starting to get my own ideas
• 1:18:32
  and drift and stuff. So is.
• 1:18:34
  This you did another 327 care. I'd done a 10 minute pick up and
• 1:18:38
  then when I looked at the splits afterwards it was like 330-8339.
• 1:18:43
  No you didn't. You're going off paced.
• 1:18:47
  Exactly I need need reining in again.
• 1:18:51
  He might ask you how your gyms going.
• 1:18:55
  I'll tell him it's all right. Not going at all.
• 1:19:01
  It's it's going all right down there in the in level one, I'm
• 1:19:04
  sure. No, yeah, I'd done a bit whilst
• 1:19:11
  I was away because there's gyms in the hotels.
• 1:19:13
  But yeah, Monday today, isn't it?
• 1:19:16
  Yeah. For what it's worth, it was not
• 1:19:19
  open, so I'll. Tell us, I'll tell them that
• 1:19:24
  with just going back to the hot cross buns as well.
• 1:19:27
  Becky. Becky got them in and she got
• 1:19:30
  chocolate mud cake, which meant that the centre was like liquid
• 1:19:35
  chocolate. I didn't realize this.
• 1:19:37
  I thought that it was just like chocolate bread.
• 1:19:39
  So then when I whipped one out and it had been melting on my
• 1:19:42
  back anyway, bit into it and there's just chocolate going
• 1:19:47
  everywhere and I had the white jersey on.
• 1:19:50
  So ends up like wiping chocolate all over myself.
• 1:19:53
  Probably look like a shit myself.
• 1:19:55
  It's like the yoga incident all over again.
• 1:19:58
  It just follows me these things. I love that you've you've gone
• 1:20:04
  with. That's what I'm going to stuff
• 1:20:05
  down the bibniks as my snack. I know maybe I need to pivot
• 1:20:10
  really so I was being clever, but.
• 1:20:14
  Hi. I'm impressed and I think I
• 1:20:16
  would say the same that you're fueling in and around your
• 1:20:19
  activity. At least you're feeling.
• 1:20:22
  Yeah, that's the main thing, yeah.
• 1:20:26
  Well, you know, we're not all gifted by books, are we?
• 1:20:30
  Now take that out. That's.
• 1:20:34
  CNN. Has to stay in.
• 1:20:36
  Thank me. Thanks, Vlad.
• 1:20:39
  Love you, Vlad. Yeah.
• 1:20:43
  Maybe one once, once I can run it a week that is over 35
• 1:20:49
  kilometers then. Might be might be fueled by the
• 1:20:57
  by the real deal I. Haven't got much legs to stand
• 1:21:00
  on from that point of view right now.
• 1:21:03
  Shit, we've still got some more news to get through with that
• 1:21:05
  the Boston Marathon elite fields were released.
• 1:21:08
  I don't know if you've seen these, but there's Australians
• 1:21:12
  everywhere. Particularly say that.
• 1:21:15
  Yeah, so the the women, it's headlined by Sharon Licadi, who
• 1:21:19
  I think is the reigning champion, and there's an
• 1:21:22
  admission of Hal Nobiri, who is usually also there.
• 1:21:25
  Those two seem to go head to head every every year.
• 1:21:29
  Sharon Licadi, 217 PB. There's a host of other E
• 1:21:33
  Africans with sub 220 PBS, sub 219 even.
• 1:21:37
  And then you've got American Emily Sisson.
• 1:21:39
  She's the record holder 218. Sarah Hall, I think former
• 1:21:43
  record holder 2. 20 Emily Sisson lives in Ireland.
• 1:21:48
  She lives in Walford in Ireland. Yeah.
• 1:21:50
  Why? She's married to an I, I think
• 1:21:52
  she's married to an Irish guy. Yeah, yeah, So .5.
• 1:21:59
  Shit, if someone gets American record then she might change
• 1:22:02
  allegiance to Ireland and take the Irish record.
• 1:22:05
  If you look at that field pretty closely, there's going to be,
• 1:22:08
  well, she's still a good bit of Heinf, Neil McCormick, but
• 1:22:10
  there's an Irish girl in the elite field.
• 1:22:15
  A McCrea. 19 year old. Did Boston just get an extra
• 1:22:20
  like $10 million in their prize purse?
• 1:22:24
  Like have you seen the names and the breadth and depth of these
• 1:22:28
  fields? Yeah, that's what.
• 1:22:30
  You don't invite your one. What's it on Girl O'berry?
• 1:22:36
  But like you, like you wouldn't get a feel like this for the
• 1:22:41
  Olympics. The talents phenomenal
• 1:22:45
  domestically like the the USI don't know if I don't think they
• 1:22:49
  have AUS champs. Do they put the first American
• 1:22:52
  woman over the line? Like that's going to be crazy.
• 1:22:54
  There's so many of them. Susanna Sullivan, Fiona O'Keefe,
• 1:22:57
  Jess McClain, Natasha Rogers. Yeah.
• 1:23:02
  And then you throw in the Aussie is is Izzy Beth Doyle 22259 PB,
• 1:23:08
  Lisa Wightman 22315 PB and Leanne Pompiani, 22447 from last
• 1:23:17
  year. Did she do Sydney was her second
• 1:23:20
  one in the end she ran. Did she do Nagoya prior to?
• 1:23:23
  That yeah, yeah. It's Nagoya.
• 1:23:29
  And then Ava Crean, her she runs at a club called Back to Boston
• 1:23:33
  in Limerick and Ireland. So yeah, this will be her major
• 1:23:38
  marathon debut. Be interested to see how she
• 1:23:40
  goes on the hills, even though it's in that downhill.
• 1:23:43
  Is that Boston or is it? It doesn't, it's not legally.
• 1:23:48
  It doesn't count as a legal. Time.
• 1:23:49
  Yeah, that's right. It's point to point as well,
• 1:23:51
  isn't it? Oh, OK, yes, absolutely stacked,
• 1:23:55
  isn't it? It's the one.
• 1:23:57
  Is it Yuki? The one that Yuki carried.
• 1:24:01
  Yeah, it's the perfect time to kind of take a swing at a Boston
• 1:24:08
  where potentially like times, Yeah.
• 1:24:12
  Yeah, and I think that's the, I think that's reflected in the
• 1:24:15
  start list. Everyone, there's a lot of
• 1:24:16
  people having a crack at this. Like what?
• 1:24:19
  What are we staring at? 40 odd names here?
• 1:24:22
  Yeah. Yeah, pretty cool.
• 1:24:27
  And then also, we didn't mention the British Rep in there who
• 1:24:31
  seems to be part American these days with her husband.
• 1:24:35
  I think he's an American. Callie Horger Thackery, she's a
• 1:24:38
  22124 PB. So there's races within the race
• 1:24:42
  as well. It's going to be a good one.
• 1:24:45
  You're kind of looking at it like, can any of the American
• 1:24:50
  girls, Callie or the Aussie girls, can they just get lucky
• 1:24:55
  and I don't know, get top five, top three even?
• 1:24:58
  Because, you know, with how the East Africans prep and stuff.
• 1:25:03
  And despite there being 6 to 8 of them listed there as the
• 1:25:07
  fastest times, five of them won't have a good run and five
• 1:25:13
  of them all DNF or something, don't they?
• 1:25:17
  Yeah, but like, surely. Shit, that Sharon Laketti, I
• 1:25:20
  don't know. She's very consistent.
• 1:25:23
  You think she's a shoe in? Almost.
• 1:25:25
  Don't you? And then the likes of that work
• 1:25:27
  Nesh Edessa, like there's a few, it's quite a few to 18 quicker
• 1:25:35
  ladies. Kali Takari, her, her fella is
• 1:25:39
  in the in the male elite field, so I don't know if he's gonna
• 1:25:44
  run the elite race or will he pace her.
• 1:25:46
  You'd never know. She could have a pace of the
• 1:25:49
  whole way. Nothing else with that comment.
• 1:25:53
  We'll see going on to the men's field.
• 1:25:56
  Then we've got John career back. 2/02/24 PB Benson Kipruto Abdeen
• 1:26:04
  a gay Connor man Alex Messiah. Why has he got a Kenyan flag
• 1:26:11
  next to him, didn't he? That's not the Alex Messiah who
• 1:26:14
  just ran something at Houston. No, not.
• 1:26:20
  Sure. Oh, maybe it is, because I don't
• 1:26:21
  think that's gone through. Maybe he's got a chance to
• 1:26:25
  Turkey. Save that one for Owen, Richard
• 1:26:30
  Ringer, Sandra Moen. Gaelic Gaelum ropes in the lead
• 1:26:33
  field again. Andy Buchanan, Hendrick
• 1:26:36
  Pfeiffer, Rory Linklater, Clayton Young, Pat Tiernan, CJ
• 1:26:41
  Orbitson. Yeah, this is outrageous.
• 1:26:45
  Joe Clacker back for a second attempt.
• 1:26:48
  Callie's fella has got a faster PB than Joe Clacker.
• 1:26:51
  Charles Hicks, Barry Key. And you know him.
• 1:26:54
  Owen not. Really, I just know he's been in
• 1:26:58
  America for ages now. Like he went to college there.
• 1:27:00
  I think he's around my age, to be honest.
• 1:27:02
  And but yeah, he's very fast, 211.
• 1:27:08
  It'd be good to see. Hopefully Andy's back in shave.
• 1:27:12
  It's the other thought I had about people going to do Boston
• 1:27:16
  now is for the likes of like, Izzy's been kind of chasing the
• 1:27:21
  record for the last few races now and Andy obviously has the
• 1:27:25
  record. And then there's always going to
• 1:27:27
  be pressure to try and run faster every time.
• 1:27:30
  But Boston almost removed some of that pressure and expectancy
• 1:27:34
  about times, doesn't it? And you can just run the race
• 1:27:37
  and try. Obviously you want to run as
• 1:27:38
  fast as you can, but knowing that it's not going to count
• 1:27:41
  towards any records. Yeah, just racing a race would
• 1:27:45
  be fun, wouldn't? It.
• 1:27:48
  And that's where Sydney, I think is a great opportunity for
• 1:27:50
  Aussies and international folks because it's the same, same sort
• 1:27:54
  of thing. You're not just chasing the
• 1:27:56
  clock. Yeah, so can see how Andy gets
• 1:27:59
  on in in amongst them lot Pat Tiernan as well.
• 1:28:03
  I'm sure we'll preview this a bit more closely though, closer
• 1:28:05
  to the day, right? Yes, April 20th.
• 1:28:08
  It's day before London day. The London is on the Sunday and
• 1:28:15
  Boston is the Monday prior. I think next item on the news
• 1:28:20
  agenda list is that I don't know if you've seen this Grant
• 1:28:22
  Fisher. I was quite surprised really to
• 1:28:25
  hear this. He's doing an interview and he
• 1:28:27
  announces that he's definitely making the switch to the roads
• 1:28:31
  and he's comparing himself, his likeness to Conor Manse that are
• 1:28:35
  of similar age. And he's reflecting on the
• 1:28:37
  success that Manse has had already on the roads.
• 1:28:40
  And he says, I don't want to be like kinda just doing it late in
• 1:28:44
  my career and just going for like one last paycheck.
• 1:28:47
  I want to make it meaningful basically.
• 1:28:49
  So he's confirmed he's making his half marathon debut at the
• 1:28:53
  New York City half on March 15th.
• 1:28:57
  Yeah, he's going to go well as well.
• 1:28:59
  You just know, even though he's New York a fast half, I'm not
• 1:29:01
  too sure, but regardless, like he's definitely a 60 in the bag.
• 1:29:05
  It's just how far under 60 he does really.
• 1:29:10
  Yeah, some similar thoughts. I think he yeah, I don't know.
• 1:29:14
  And I said he mentioned that he wants to tackle the roads.
• 1:29:16
  I suppose the problem is though, it's quite difficult between,
• 1:29:19
  you know, what's he just run trying to attempt a world record
• 1:29:22
  at the 2K this week and then he's big, you know, I assume
• 1:29:26
  fairly different between the two K and the half.
• 1:29:28
  And do you remember when Jacob was running so well at the end
• 1:29:32
  of the Diamond League races and then went and ran?
• 1:29:34
  I can't remember which half was it where and the wheels just
• 1:29:39
  came off 3. Copenhagen was it?
• 1:29:40
  Yeah, that Copenhagen half and it didn't go well for him.
• 1:29:44
  So yeah, it'd be interesting to see how it converts.
• 1:29:51
  He looks made for it, but. You know, he's just, he's got
• 1:29:54
  that insane threshold, hasn't he Said there's going to be a lot
• 1:29:57
  of expectancy around that. So it's pretty bold of him to
• 1:30:01
  take it on because he probably knows that too.
• 1:30:04
  Just looking, his current 10,000 meter PB on the track is 2633
• 1:30:10
  national record and that's a minute quicker than what Conor
• 1:30:15
  Mance has ran on the track. Yeah, I think he's like a
• 1:30:19
  classier runner to be honest. Like he's beating and meddling
• 1:30:24
  opposite all those E Africans, whereas Conor Mance is still
• 1:30:27
  like a minute or so or two minutes off the top guys in the
• 1:30:31
  marathon. Yeah, my comparison being though
• 1:30:35
  that Mance is the the record holder for the US and the half
• 1:30:39
  and the marathon. Yeah.
• 1:30:41
  It's just a shame that, like Owen alluded to, it might not be
• 1:30:44
  comparable in terms of horses for courses.
• 1:30:47
  Is it like you assume if if New York City half is anything like
• 1:30:53
  the marathon, there'll be a bit of elevation?
• 1:30:57
  I'm sure he even mentioned in that interview as well, like
• 1:31:00
  marathon. So he's not just going to the
• 1:31:04
  roads because like sometimes you can say you go into the roads
• 1:31:07
  and you're going to run 10 KS half, so whatever, and the
• 1:31:09
  marathon be treated separately. But he literally says like,
• 1:31:13
  yeah, marathon too. So that's pretty exciting, I
• 1:31:17
  reckon. And then we got some more elite
• 1:31:20
  fields for the race in Japan next weekend, though.
• 1:31:24
  Yeah, so Maragami, the race we all done last year is happening
• 1:31:28
  on the 1st of February and some pretty big names going across to
• 1:31:32
  Japan for this one. So some of the elite women is
• 1:31:35
  Ellis Mccolgan from Great Britain, she's around 6543.
• 1:31:38
  She'll look to lower that. Izzy, about Doyle doing this in
• 1:31:41
  prep for Boston, she's around 6717 last year.
• 1:31:46
  And then Charlotte Perdue is the other big name that we'd all
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  know. She ran 68-O2 is her PBS from
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  Maragami in 2024. Actually Georgie Gregic from New
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  Zealand, she is in the elite field as well.
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  She's a 6913 girl. And then there's just like a lot
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  of Kenyans and other fast Japanese and on the male side,
• 1:32:07
  again a shit load of fast Kenyans.
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  And then notable mention is Sandra Moen, he's again, he's
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  doing Boston. He ran 6011.
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  So 60 minutes and 11 seconds in Maragami in 2024.
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  Oh, there an old mention Isaac Kane from Australia, his PBS
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  from Launceston in 2025, where he ran 6113.
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  He'll hope to lower that. Wasn't there some chatter,
• 1:32:34
  didn't he run Valencia as I came recently and ahead of there was
• 1:32:38
  a little bit of chatter around a potential Aussie record or if
• 1:32:42
  not 60 low. So I mean, I, when I heard that,
• 1:32:49
  I was a little bit surprised and then obviously never done it.
• 1:32:53
  But maybe he's, he's going back for it again.
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  Because obviously we know how fast marigami can be and
• 1:33:00
  otherwise why? Why go to Japan like kind of by
• 1:33:02
  yourself and stuff. And it's the perfect place to
• 1:33:07
  run out as well. Like we all know how stacked it
• 1:33:09
  is and how deep the heels are so.
• 1:33:12
  Well, was that where the Japanese record got broken as
• 1:33:14
  well? Right when we were there last
• 1:33:16
  year? Twice.
• 1:33:17
  So yeah. Or they went under 59260 for the
• 1:33:21
  first time or something. And they went by quite a bit,
• 1:33:24
  didn't they? Weren't they like 59 teens?
• 1:33:26
  So like, and then they're just absolutely streaming through
• 1:33:29
  like what was Brett like 70th in 61 minutes?
• 1:33:34
  Other not mentioned, Liam Boudin from Australia.
• 1:33:37
  He's around 6140. He's in there as well.
• 1:33:41
  But yeah, keep an eye out on that one.
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  Fuck, if ever you need to feel shit about not being fest or not
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  being not running, it's not a reminder that that race is
• 1:33:54
  happening next weekend. Well, Ryan, if you ever I think
• 1:33:59
  that this the time where you change gender and start doing
• 1:34:02
  the 400 meter hurdles because him Sidney McLaughlin is now at
• 1:34:07
  that event as well. She's having a child.
• 1:34:09
  So it is wide open. No fan cabal, no Sidney
• 1:34:13
  McLaughlin, Kobe or Calling. Hello, Brienne Greenwood.
• 1:34:21
  A joked about doing the steeplechase, but even in the
• 1:34:24
  the hurdles, I don't think I'd have a sniff not.
• 1:34:28
  Give. We can be the judge of that.
• 1:34:31
  Give it a go. We'll give feedback.
• 1:34:33
  That will be. Probably.
• 1:34:37
  You just stand over them, Yeah, you just be running and you
• 1:34:40
  wouldn't even none. Just run.
• 1:34:43
  How many allowed to knock over? Just run straight through them.
• 1:34:46
  Hey, you can knock them all over.
• 1:34:48
  Just absolutely send it straight through.
• 1:34:53
  Right. Well, lastly then since we're
• 1:34:56
  here, Jacobinga, Britain has also recently very boldly laid
• 1:35:00
  claim to attempt a world record in the 1500 meters, the 3000
• 1:35:06
  meters and the 5000 meters at some points in 2026.
• 1:35:10
  And he also said that he won't be opening the season until at
• 1:35:15
  least or around June time. So I don't know what to make of
• 1:35:19
  that, whether he's still having troubles, difficulties with this
• 1:35:23
  injury or whether he's just taking extra precautions and
• 1:35:27
  getting a massive base behind them before taking on these
• 1:35:30
  record attempts. Probably a bit of both really,
• 1:35:34
  isn't it? Most likely, which makes sense.
• 1:35:40
  Yeah, You'd rather see him when he does come back, he actually
• 1:35:43
  comes back rather than like if he tries and doesn't do it, then
• 1:35:47
  you just be a bit like people start asking questions about is
• 1:35:51
  he kind of, is he going to be back to the top level ever?
• 1:35:55
  So yeah, he needs to make it stick.
• 1:35:57
  And needs to be well, like Evan Jagger, remember when we were
• 1:36:02
  chatting to him and he's talking about getting in that injury
• 1:36:04
  loop? So best thing to do would be to
• 1:36:07
  take the time pressure out of it and just try and get well.
• 1:36:11
  And we should take our own advice here and follow protocol.
• 1:36:17
  Keep building advice. Double trouble then, Owen.
• 1:36:19
  Yeah, I believe you have got one lined up.
• 1:36:23
  Yeah. So came out during the week that
• 1:36:29
  basically Turkey is paying people to represent their
• 1:36:33
  country in just, yeah, normal terms.
• 1:36:39
  They've put together this little program and let me find that
• 1:36:47
  like you see now, a few canyons are going to start running for
• 1:36:50
  them, but they have it that if you sign with them, I can't even
• 1:36:57
  find it now. It's like Turkey's version of
• 1:37:01
  the Saudi Arabian sports washing regime, isn't it?
• 1:37:05
  Basically. So here we go, this is all
• 1:37:10
  coming come to such like fruition because Bridget Cosguy,
• 1:37:14
  who is like renowned as a Kenyan marathoner, she's switching her
• 1:37:18
  allegiances to Turkey, head of the 2028 LA Olympics.
• 1:37:23
  So Cosguy ran 218 for second place in Sydney Marathon.
• 1:37:28
  She also finished she ran 216 in Shanghai Marathon last year as
• 1:37:33
  well. But So what Turkey are putting
• 1:37:36
  together is they're offering a $500,000 signing bonus if you
• 1:37:44
  come and join them. And then there's this port
• 1:37:46
  package of bonuses of 380 grand for an Olympic gold medal and an
• 1:37:51
  additional 190,000 if the athlete sets an Olympic record.
• 1:37:56
  She has to do this now because it there's like a three-year
• 1:37:59
  waiting period for it to kick in.
• 1:38:02
  But it's just like she came to see got second in the Tokyo
• 1:38:08
  Olympics in Kenya. Like, it just doesn't make sense
• 1:38:11
  that they let this happen. Last year, Jamaica's Jayden
• 1:38:16
  Hibbert and a few others, they started the process to switch
• 1:38:20
  leading shows as well. It's crazy.
• 1:38:24
  And it definitely should not be allowed.
• 1:38:26
  Like you're basically like, imagine being Turkish and seeing
• 1:38:30
  this shit like off the fork. Yeah.
• 1:38:34
  How are you meant to get behind them if you are Turkish?
• 1:38:36
  Like one of the good things about about the Olympics or
• 1:38:39
  national sports is like you can't remove the connection of
• 1:38:45
  the fact that you're both born in the same country.
• 1:38:47
  Whereas this is just like becomes a team sport where
• 1:38:50
  you're signing people from here, there and everywhere.
• 1:38:53
  I don't understand physically how they're allowed to do it
• 1:38:56
  either. Like surely the regulations
• 1:38:59
  state that. Like that's why we see that the
• 1:39:03
  whole Irish English complexity about people finding connections
• 1:39:09
  like higher up the family tree. But what now?
• 1:39:12
  These can just put 500 grand on the line.
• 1:39:14
  Then you say you from there. I don't understand it.
• 1:39:18
  Cause guy doesn't have a great granny from Turkey.
• 1:39:21
  Like it makes no sense. And the fact that they're
• 1:39:25
  they've come out and say like they're saying they're paying
• 1:39:27
  them, like they're not hiding this.
• 1:39:30
  It's just, yeah, it's crazy. Dean support I.
• 1:39:37
  I just like winning, so I'm just thinking what what do we need to
• 1:39:40
  do to win? That's what Turkey is thinking.
• 1:39:44
  Just fill them with EPL. Shit.
• 1:39:48
  And why is it just Turkey by the way a techie?
• 1:39:51
  Just the first ones on to it and a load of other countries that
• 1:39:54
  follow or. So they've, they've done it
• 1:39:57
  before. But so there used to be this
• 1:39:59
  really good cross country, one called Can and she would have
• 1:40:02
  won the European cross country, yeah.
• 1:40:05
  And but she was the only one. And now they're doing.
• 1:40:09
  Wasn't it too for a period of time?
• 1:40:11
  Wasn't the two Kenyans running for Turkey during Europe that
• 1:40:15
  didn't they go 1/2 for a little while?
• 1:40:17
  Probably. I'm really not sure.
• 1:40:19
  Yeah, not good for the sport. It's not good for the sport.
• 1:40:23
  Because you'd remember it. Because that is it for NOLA.
• 1:40:25
  McCormack would be otherwise winning, yeah.
• 1:40:31
  I mean, what sort of sum would you have to be paid to sell your
• 1:40:35
  soul and go and represent Buddy Yale?
• 1:40:39
  Probably depends who's listening.
• 1:40:43
  Sounds alright. You wouldn't be worrying about
• 1:40:46
  your Bix, would you? No, shouldn't be allowed.
• 1:40:56
  Not in the spirit of things, is it?
• 1:40:58
  No. It's funny I just pumped it into
• 1:41:02
  ChatGPT. Tell me about high profile
• 1:41:04
  athlete to switch allegiances from country to country and
• 1:41:08
  who's listed there Is Declan Rice from Ireland to England?
• 1:41:12
  But that's a joke as well. Like he actually played a senior
• 1:41:15
  friendly with Ireland and then he just flocks off to England
• 1:41:19
  like it's it should not be allowed.
• 1:41:22
  Future Captain Material. What was England offering?
• 1:41:31
  Maybe it's, again, it's sort of what do they say that countries
• 1:41:36
  are like companies just with flags, You know, they're just
• 1:41:39
  sort of Turkey's just on a recruitment drive.
• 1:41:43
  Yeah, but Turkey is such an irrelevant country as well.
• 1:41:45
  Like I just don't get it. I wonder if now we'll see them
• 1:41:52
  like front, not massive bids to host major championships and
• 1:41:55
  stuff. Maybe athletics is like part of
• 1:41:58
  the strategy over the long term. It's like the pumping series
• 1:42:03
  money into it. To be fair, some like that's a
• 1:42:06
  lot of money for just people to run.
• 1:42:09
  Wonder where it comes? It's all that hair.
• 1:42:10
  Hair transplant money. People getting their veneers.
• 1:42:16
  Shit, someone else who comes up Wilson, Kip Cassia, the four
• 1:42:21
  record holder? Yeah, he switched from Kenya to
• 1:42:23
  demo. Guys, that was not a Danish
• 1:42:27
  name. You must have known that there's
• 1:42:31
  not many of Kip Katie as from fucking Denmark walking around.
• 1:42:37
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