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A History of Total War - Big Picture with Jack Atherton · Brian Thomas

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Speaker 1: Seven oh six here at fifty five KRC detalk station.
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Speaker 1: Love my Wednesday's here on the fifty five Cars Morning
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Speaker 1: Show because this time of day and this day of
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Speaker 1: the week, seven oh five we always get the big
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Speaker 1: picture with Jack Avida and he is waiting in the
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Speaker 1: wings down and remind folks bottom they are Donald O'Neil
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Speaker 1: on primary elections, Senior Advisor AFP action in Ohio one
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Speaker 1: hour from now, Congressman Massy on the status of the
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Speaker 1: war and Iran Pam Bondi change over the Department of Justice,
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Speaker 1: Welcome back, Jack Evident. It is always my distinct pleasure
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Speaker 1: to have you on the program Sir.
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Speaker 2: Good morning, Palm. Thanks. As always, we have been discussing
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Speaker 2: the president's war powers four weeks, citing history and the Constitution.
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Speaker 2: I will seed my time today. It's a Congressman Massy
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Speaker 2: and judgment of Paulitano, with whom I disagree. The question
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Speaker 2: for me right now, do we have peace in Iran?
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Speaker 2: Or do we have what Neville Chamberlain called peace in
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Speaker 2: our time? President Trump's granted Iran's terrorists a two week reprieve,
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Speaker 2: but only quote subject to the complete, immediate and safe
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Speaker 2: opening of the Strait of Horror moves. Iran's foreign minister
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Speaker 2: replied in a letter you can look up, and appeared
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Speaker 2: to agree that he'd go along with that, but only
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Speaker 2: subject to his own ten count of ten conditions, which
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Speaker 2: include are you ready for this? America paying Iran reparations,
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Speaker 2: also Iran imposing a two million dollars toll on each
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Speaker 2: tanker sailing through the strait, which Iran does not own,
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Speaker 2: as well as guarantees that Iran will not be attacked again.
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Speaker 2: Iran's ten point demand does not include surrendering its enriched
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Speaker 2: uranium and giving up its nuclear ambitions. So we'll see.
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Speaker 2: I know what I'd like to discuss today the claim
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Speaker 2: from Democrats, some Republicans, and many of our so called
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Speaker 2: allies that had Donald Trump got ahead with his attacks
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Speaker 2: on a run, he would have been a bigger war
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Speaker 2: criminal than Hitler Stalin and the man John Kerry calls
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Speaker 2: Jengis Khan combined what are they talking about? Well? In
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Speaker 2: what may go down as one of history's most famous threats,
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Speaker 2: President Trump warned iron z Mullah's in Revolutionary Guard that
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Speaker 2: if their terrorist state did not agree by eight o'clock
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Speaker 2: last night Eastern Time to scrap their nuclear and long
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Speaker 2: range missile programs quote, a whole civilization will die, never
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Speaker 2: to be brought back again. Now. Trump said he did
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Speaker 2: not want that to happen, so he had granted a
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Speaker 2: run even more time to negotiate than they'd asked for,
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Speaker 2: because Trump was threatening what historians call total war, the
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Speaker 2: destruction of Iran's energy grid and its bridges, which effectively
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Speaker 2: would have destroyed its entire economy, the death of Iran civilization.
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Speaker 2: We do history, my friends, so let's review some. The
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Speaker 2: most famous example of total war is ancient Rome's destruction
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Speaker 2: of Carthage prior to the so called Punic Wars about
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Speaker 2: two hundred years before Christ, Carthage had a massive trading
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Speaker 2: empire ranging from North Africa the capital was in Tunisia
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Speaker 2: up through Europe. When Rome expanded south, the two empires
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Speaker 2: butted heads the Carthaginians. Hannibal floated thirty seven elephants from
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Speaker 2: Africa across the Mediterranean to Spain and then marched them
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Speaker 2: with his troops up and down the Italian Alps so
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Speaker 2: they could surprise Rome from behind. He could have finished
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Speaker 2: off Rome right there, changing history forever, but instead Hannibal
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Speaker 2: let Rome off the hook, leading to two more punic wars.
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Speaker 2: Rome won the last one and then literally plowed Carthage
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Speaker 2: into dust. As Trump would say, it was never brought
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Speaker 2: back again. Around the world, most warfare after that was
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Speaker 2: not total. Armies fought battles, but civilian populations pretty much
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Speaker 2: escaped harm. One exception was our own Civil War. With
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Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of soldiers already dead and no end
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Speaker 2: in sight, the North's General Sherman made a scorched earth
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Speaker 2: march to Atlanta, burning everything in his path. Gone with
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Speaker 2: the Wind shows what that was like. Read Butler driving
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Speaker 2: Scarlet and Melanie and her baby through hell. It took
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Speaker 2: the South a century to recover. More recently, both sides
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Speaker 2: turned World War II into total war. Nazi aerial bombers
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Speaker 2: reduced the Dutch city of Rotterdam to rubble in a
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Speaker 2: matter of hours. Franklin Roosevelt did the same thing to
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Speaker 2: the German city of Dresden, but finally ended the war.
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Speaker 2: In the Pacific was, of course, the atomic bombing of
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Speaker 2: Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but Germany and Japan did rise from
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Speaker 2: the ashes thanks to the United States. Following the war,
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Speaker 2: in history's greatest act of generosity, America rebuilt Europe under
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Speaker 2: the Marshall Plan, and we also rebuilt Japan, helping it
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Speaker 2: adopt a democratic constitution. It still has the emperor remained,
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Speaker 2: just as Britain still has a king, but Japan was
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Speaker 2: no longer run by warlords terrorizing their neighbors. Brian, I
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Speaker 2: don't know what's going to happen in Iran. Its people
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Speaker 2: have not been able to rise up because the Mullahs
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Speaker 2: and the Revolutionary Guard disarmed them. We've talked about how
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Speaker 2: the America Revolution could not have been won without the
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Speaker 2: colonist's freedom to bear arms. Also, if Americans had lacked
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Speaker 2: freedom of speech. Thomas Paine's little pamphlet may have been
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Speaker 2: the most influential one ever written. President Trump loves its
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Speaker 2: title common Sense. There has been no common sense in
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Speaker 2: Iran for the last forty seven years. The last time Iranians,
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Speaker 2: inspired by stupid college students like our own, had a
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Speaker 2: chance to express themselves. They replaced the Western allied shah
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Speaker 2: with the Ayatola, who was bent, unlike his neighbors in
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Speaker 2: the Middle East, on worldwide shahad folks. History shows that
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Speaker 2: total war is horrendous, but the alternative is sometimes worse.
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Speaker 2: As many as eighty five million lives were lost because
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Speaker 2: Britain did not heed Winston Churchill and stop Hitler before
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Speaker 2: he launched World War Two, and how many more lives
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Speaker 2: would have been lost had not Churchill and Roosevelt decisively
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Speaker 2: ended the fighting and the death camp genocide with total warfare.
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Speaker 2: Getting back to Iran, if you think Steve Whitkoff was
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Speaker 2: lying about how close Iran is to developing nuclear weapons,
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Speaker 2: then the Democrats and isolationist Republicans are right. We should
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Speaker 2: keep kicking this can down the road. But Trump's chief
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Speaker 2: negotiator did not have to lie about Iran's ballistic missiles.
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Speaker 2: We've now seen how many thousands they had and how
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Speaker 2: many missiles could reach Europe and soon America. Beyond that,
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Speaker 2: by continuing to develop nuclear weapons even after last June's
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Speaker 2: B two bombing, Iran's current regime showed they will never
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Speaker 2: be deterred. And of course we now know how easy
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Speaker 2: it's been for Iran to violate international navigation law by
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Speaker 2: choking off the Strait of Hormuz and twenty percent of
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Speaker 2: the world's oil. In some when it comes to ridding
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Speaker 2: the world of what Trump calls you crazy bastards, I
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Speaker 2: think he's been proved courageous and right. The threat of
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Speaker 2: total war got us this far to these negotiations. If
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Speaker 2: Iran is once again playing for time, hoping the next
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Speaker 2: Democrat or Republican isolation as president will let them get
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Speaker 2: away with murder, Trump justifiably may have to attack again.
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Speaker 2: What do you think, Well, it's controversial.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's it's just the reality what we're dealing with
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Speaker 1: right now. But going to the question of, you know,
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Speaker 1: total annihilation of Iran, it seems to me and and
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Speaker 1: I have to predicate this comment on you know what
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Speaker 1: I heard from Daniel Davis yesterday, which is the stockpile
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Speaker 1: of those weapons that you mentioned a moment ago. They
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Speaker 1: have thousands and thousands of rockets and weapons and little
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Speaker 1: drone boats and mines, Olympid minds and all that kind
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Speaker 1: of stuff stockpiled away hidden in big bunkers that apparently,
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Speaker 1: you know, at least Daniel Davis's resources have said we
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Speaker 1: can't get at so that's going to remain, which suggests
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Speaker 1: we are going to have to enter Iran with boots
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Speaker 1: on the ground in order to ferret all that out.
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Speaker 1: And I suppose my question is it worth the loss
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Speaker 1: of human capital in US lives to accomplish the goal
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Speaker 1: of completely eradicating Iran and leaving them toothless so they
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Speaker 1: can't do this again, shutting off the straight of horror moves.
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Speaker 1: It just seems like that's going to be necessary.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry I should have included Colonel Davis, for whom
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Speaker 2: I have a lot of respect, among your guests, with
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Speaker 2: whom I disagree. The world is different from the way
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Speaker 2: it was under the Mad regime with the Soviet Union
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Speaker 2: mutually assured destruction. MAD was predicated on the idea that
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Speaker 2: the Soviet leaders, even Stalin, were somewhat rational. The Iranians
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Speaker 2: are not. They are an eschatological regime. They welcome death.
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Speaker 2: It's just different. If they disagree with that, then, you know,
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Speaker 2: I hope we'll never know how wrong they might have been.
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Speaker 1: Well, mutually. That's the point of mutually sure destruction. If
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Speaker 1: they were to go crazy and launch one of these weapons,
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Speaker 1: if they got one, they're assured that their country's going
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Speaker 1: to be wiped off the map. And then we outgunned
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Speaker 1: the crap out of them.
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Speaker 2: The Iatola Homony and the Iotola Hamany apparently didn't care.
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Speaker 2: They were willing to give up their own lives. Homemone
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Speaker 2: managed to die in bed. Hamony not so much.
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Speaker 1: But the regime lives on. You're talking about a situation
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Speaker 1: where the regime wouldn't live on. If they want to
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Speaker 1: be a martyr for something that's going to outlast their lives,
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Speaker 1: allow them to. But if they launched a bomb, they
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Speaker 1: are inviting the complete eradication of human life, let's just
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Speaker 1: say out loud, or the complete eradication of what would
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Speaker 1: be left if they hadn't dropped a bomb, which is
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Speaker 1: the regime itself.
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Speaker 2: Well, you're assuming that our bombs would work, and there's wouldn't.
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Speaker 1: We we No, I'm saying that pick a target, Jack,
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Speaker 1: I mean, pick a city they choose to. They're not
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Speaker 1: going to have an arsenal of thousands of nuclear weapons overnight,
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Speaker 1: So they've got a finite number. They pick a city,
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Speaker 1: they bombit, then they're going to get eradicated and wiped
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Speaker 1: off the mat. That's the point of it, mutually assured destruction.
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Speaker 2: So and all we'll have lost is a city, perhaps
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Speaker 2: a major city. Let me let me move on to
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Speaker 2: one last point to Brian, because I'm afraid I do
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Speaker 2: disagree with these people and perhaps many people in the audience.
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Speaker 2: The greatest threat we face today is not Iran or
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Speaker 2: even communists China. We're suring these next two weeks may
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Speaker 2: give them a lot of weapons. The greatest threat we
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Speaker 2: face is our own internal rot yep, young people, young people,
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Speaker 2: many of whom are now old people who have been
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Speaker 2: taught since the nineteen sixties to hate American values of
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Speaker 2: individual rights, free enterprise, and limited government. And the tens
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Speaker 2: of millions of illegal immigrants who are now the woke socialists'
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Speaker 2: new voting base. If you doubt that, just look at
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Speaker 2: Western Europe. We started rotting at the end of World
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Speaker 2: War II, fifteen years before we did whether or not
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Speaker 2: we leave nat and I think we should stay because
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Speaker 2: many Eastern European former communist states, Poland, Latvia. We go
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Speaker 2: through the list, many of them do support our values.
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Speaker 2: Western Europe has declined and fallen thanks to the same
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Speaker 2: poisonous forces. We now face unchecked immigration by people who
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Speaker 2: don't share our former values, big government attacks on free speech,
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Speaker 2: socialism including cradle to grave welfare, and political corruption. Changing
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Speaker 2: Iran's government is not going to change all of that.
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Speaker 2: I'll agree with you on that point. But we have
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Speaker 2: to defend our own way of life. That's the challenge
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Speaker 2: right now. And we need to told people in the
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Speaker 2: first hour that you gotta go out and vote, and
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Speaker 2: early voting has started. I hope they'll heed that.
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Speaker 1: I'll defend that point all day long.
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Speaker 2: Jack.
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Speaker 1: We need to get our own house in order. We
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Speaker 1: need to defend our own way of life right here
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Speaker 1: in our own backyard. And you start paying attention to that,
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Speaker 1: because you know we are well. We are deteriorating as
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Speaker 1: a country, There's no question about it, Jack, So maybe
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Speaker 1: we should start at home.
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Speaker 2: We should.
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Speaker 1: I agree on that all day long. Certainly appreciate your insight,
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Speaker 1: your thoughts, Jack At It's always a pleasure to have
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Speaker 1: you on this program. We'll do it again next Wednesday,
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Speaker 1: And as I always end with best of health and
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Speaker 1: love to you and your better half.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for giving me a say, and all the
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Speaker 2: people who call.
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Speaker 1: In listen Jack. This is why I love this program.
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Speaker 1: I am looking for answers like everyone else. I do
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Speaker 1: not profess to have a monopoly on what is right
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Speaker 1: or wrong. I can see the problems, we can lay
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Speaker 1: them out, and we can talk about different sides and
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Speaker 1: different viewpoints on something that people rarely ever try to
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Speaker 1: agree on. This is the point. It's debate. Hopefully it's
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Speaker 1: thoughtful debate. It's not angry debate. You didn't come on
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Speaker 1: and start screaming a name calling Congressman Massey. He said
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Speaker 1: you disagreed with him, and you articulated your points on why.
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Speaker 1: I understand that, And that's to me the beauty of
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Speaker 1: the show because I get enlightened too, and I try
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Speaker 1: to get a sense of I get a sense of
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Speaker 1: grounding when it comes to my own political viewpoints and
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Speaker 1: my own points on what's going on in the world.
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Speaker 1: And that's beneficial to me, which is why I think
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Speaker 1: it's beneficial for everyone. It's another reason why I love
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Speaker 1: having you on, Jack, God bless you, sir. We'll do
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