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Episode 63: A Hilarious Conversation About Obitine (AKA Obi-Wan Kenobi and Satine Kryze) · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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Hello there, it's time for most things Kenobi.
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I prefer all things Kenobi but I suppose that's not the Jedi way
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as long as it's not all things Anakin.
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Hi everyone. Welcome to another episode of
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most things Kenobi. A podcast about Obi-Wan Kenobi
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and all things Star Wars. I'm your host Leanne and I'm
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your host Lauren, mmm boy. Oh boy, are we talking Kenobi
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today? In fact, we're talking Lauren
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specialty old patina. I am your resident professor of
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Ob-Gyn. Sure.
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Are you are you are the encyclopedia I walk up walk
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around with the Mortar Board and all day.
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This is true though across the top.
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Yeah, I don't know if you have been living under a rock and you
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don't know what oh between stands for it means.
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It's the, it's the what is it? The couple the couple e joined
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word of Satine. Crees and Obi-Wan Kenobi.
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Yes. Oh, but teen it's the Star Wars
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version of bennifer or that's what I was.
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I'm trying to remember except I try not to remember back to like
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2004 whenever that was what was J.Lo and Ben Affleck but now
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they're up big again, so it's a car.
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Yeah, history does repeat itself in the worst of ways.
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This is kind of gonna dovetail nicely and I have something to
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tell you me. Yes, and it's related to obesity
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and sort of it's about James Arnold Taylor.
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You know our Patron. Rebecca yes.
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She was at Galaxy Khan and she met James while she was there.
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And she mentioned us to him. She did.
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Yes it was so cool. My face right now I'm looking at
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my reflection. I Jaws on the floor.
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Rebecca. Oh my God.
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I know I was just like you are so so freaking nice.
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Nice. I just respond.
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How cool that she got to meet him.
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I know the Obi-Wan voice for her.
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I yes. I think he did one of our other
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listeners been, he just met him, I think, like yesterday or the
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day before, as well. So, just why, how do I Well, I
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did stand five feet away from Matt Lantern didn't say anything
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because he's pushing a baby stroller.
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So I had my chance and I blew it freaking cowards is why we
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haven't met anybody, okay, so she said she went up to him and
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said hello and they had established a rapport and then
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she said that she was friends with the most things Kenobi
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podcast. Host which hell.
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Yes. You are dear and she said she
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loved hearing his Intros on our show and he said that it was
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super fun recording. That was very sweet.
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I hope he actually remembers he probably doesn't but he was
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being very great cause I gotta believe he does.
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Yeah I think so. That is so cool and she said it
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would be super cool if he recorded an episode with us and
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he said yes I would love to do that.
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I want to do that at some point. Please tell them I want to
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record with them. Well, I'm dead.
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It wasn't expecting any of this. Rebecca, thank you.
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James Arnold Taylor. Thank you.
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Let's make it happen. Wheeler is like even if he never
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comes on the show, just the fact that like, our fans are telling
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him about us. I know, that's so great.
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When we say we have the coolest group of fans like Fucking mean
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that shit. Yes, seriously.
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And we're so lucky this group. Damn thanks.
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Thank you. That was cool.
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Yeah. Thanks Rebecca.
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We love you. We do so I just thought that
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would be a nice way to, like segue into our opt-in episode.
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I mean, honestly we can't talk about Obe Team without giving
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props to the two voices that brought this actual story line.
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Into existence through the Clone Wars.
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Yeah, and James Arnold Taylor obviously, and Anna Graves who
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is so lovely. Yeah, has given some love to us
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on our Instagram, in our Twitter and she's just so fun and those
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to really, really work well together as voice actors.
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Yes. And they make the Oba team thing
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real. Yes, I think the fact that those
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actors have such a good Or yeah personally like in their
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personal life is that bleeds over into their performance,
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their so like comfortable with each other.
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It's very obvious that they have good chemistry.
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You know, it's great. And the best part is, is,
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doesn't she also voiced a character in a different episode
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where she kind of has a little bit of a rapport with Obi-Wan?
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Yes, it does. The episode with the little
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turtle looking people from Felicia.
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It's like they teach them how to fight.
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Yeah. And she's like a bounty hunter
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that guess she's Sookie. Yeah, the bounty hunters and
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they're kind of flirty are - so th to, it's just like if, you
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know, you know, anyway who doesn't Obi-Wan flirt with let's
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be real. If Anna Graves is voicing the
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character, he's probably gonna flirt with her.
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Yeah, he's probably. Well, they're just, they're just
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amazing together, really? Truly, what a Duo, Obi-Wan and
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Satine are a big deal in the fandom.
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Yeah, it was unexpected, big deal.
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I think at least for me, I don't know about you but I was really
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Surprised that they even gave him a love interest in his back
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story at all. Why I distinctly remember,
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watching The Ark? Where all of this happens and
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like Satine has revealed and the relationship that they had in
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the past that they had was revealed and I remember going,
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excuse me one. Yeah, Sam like it kind of
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changes. How you think of the old Ben
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Kenobi from the original trilogy?
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He's got a, he's got a past kind of Changes, everything.
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It puts everything in and like, even Ewan McGregor's performance
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has been a new like a new lens focused on it, because very
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true. It's just, I don't know.
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I really wasn't expecting it. Because the characters are like
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in Clone Wars, he was very uptight in a sense like, always
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the level-headed like yeah, like always being like, and it can
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kind of character, which, of course, he still is in these
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episodes but doesn't matter to the day he dies.
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But Glee. But in the very first intro of
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the first Mandalore Arc episode in season 2, they said that
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Obi-Wan is reunited with an old friend and then they show The
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Duchess of Mandalore. And I was like, is this going to
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be a love story? I was really not expecting it.
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It's really so. Okay.
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I let me just be honest for, like five seconds.
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Well, I'm more honest than that in every episode.
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But just I'm going to be Real real and Lauren knows this, but
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I don't know if every listener knows this, but I have never
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really been a huge fan of the character of Satine, but I am a
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fan that of Obi-Wan having a past that's a little more
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conflicting with a love interest and and he had and of course, it
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added to his loss. And of course, spoiler alert, if
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you haven't seen this part of the Clone Wars, yeah, we will be
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talking about things that happen.
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Turn away now. But yeah, you know, it It's to
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the amount of loss, that Obi-Wan experiences over and over and
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over again. Yeah, and I like all of that.
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It's just, she comes off very strong to me.
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And I was very turned off at first, like I thought she was
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very standoffish and Obi-Wan is much more warm to her.
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Hmm. And then you kind of get into it
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more and you read a little bit more, any of you kind of do a
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character study and you and I talked about, you know, the
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details of all this and I've read your Fick and it just adds
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so much more to everything and go read it.
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If you haven't the Jedi and his duchess, Well, it's really good
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and it stays true to the story. But like she was always very,
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very cold to me and I always thought Obi-Wan deserved a
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little more warmth, but it's more than that.
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Once you realize what these two have been through, right?
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I completely completely agree, I didn't like her at first and not
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because there's some to like jealous, like, oh, but one can't
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have a girlfriend. No, no, no, no, no.
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I think it's great that they gave him that I do too.
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Make some more dimensional, not that having a love interest.
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Makes you more interesting. It's more that like it was
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unexpected for that character because he didn't seem to.
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Like he seemed very set in the code, right?
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And so the thing I kind of made my own head Canon about, which
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is kind of extrapolated in this story, but is he became that way
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after what he and stettin had been through the make me, like,
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the very fact that he had like, feelings for another person.
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Hmm, and it didn't go. Well, it's maybe the reason he's
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He's like, nope, the code always the code, I can't get hurt if I
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stick to the code, which is, yeah, he likes, shut a door
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permanently because if you don't look what happens, you end up
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risking what Anakin and padmé had happened.
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Exactly. And so he's watching.
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After you see this relationship he has with Satine, you're
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watching it Through The Eyes of like, he knows what's going on
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with Anakin and padmé, right? So he can't say anything or he
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should say something, but it would make him a hypocrite.
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There's all these angles to it. That make it so much more
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difficult. Hold on how he would approach
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the subject with Anakin. Yes.
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And I love that. I love that so much.
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Yes, some people have have said that, maybe he's like, you
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remember. There's that scene in one of the
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later Clone Wars seasons where Obi-Wan goes to Anakin's room
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and says, it's not that work. We don't have these feelings
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that are natural but we're not supposed to act on them because
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it can like interfere with our duty.
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I forgot it's gonna say well you can use old what's-his-name
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Owens like like you did like you did his father or something that
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but it's like like you did with cetain.
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Like thank you. That's actually what I was gonna
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say you like my brain. Thank you.
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Your welcome is, maybe he's trying to prevent him from
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making the same mistakes that he made, you know, like protect
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him. That's one way to read it.
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I'm not saying that that's Accurate or anything.
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It's just one way to kind of like read that seat.
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I didn't really like her that much either.
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I thought she was really Brazen and kind of illogical moment.
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Yeah but she had a lot of good points.
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The hypocritical point of the Jedi, right?
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We all know that they're supposed to be peacekeepers and
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yet they're fighting in a war with a bunch of clones that were
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made specifically to kill. And the whole thing is fucked up
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Beyond. Recognition.
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Yeah, and she points it out and it's very hard for any Jedi to
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see that because they have to believe they're doing something
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good. Right or else?
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Why? Yes.
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So I like the Satine was a tool to kind of remind Obi-Wan like,
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hey it's not all rainbows and unicorns and stars and what am I
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saying? Like it's not all the Jedi
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aren't all the The Spar cleanest that you think they are, you
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know? Yeah.
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I mean she says like what an amusing contradiction.
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Action. And then asks, if changing their
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beliefs is a matter of political convenience, you know, like you
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just kind of blow in the breeze with whatever is popular.
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The moment, I do love that she points that out.
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Really, blatantly she doesn't pull her punches, just like,
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you're being a fucking hypocrite.
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Yeah. And since she knew Obi-Wan, when
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he was younger, she would have seen.
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Hmm. You are different.
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Like you have deviated from what you had originally said.
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The Jedi were all About yeah sometimes her passivism is quite
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irritating, a very but she's trying to be the best leader
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that she can for her people that she promised.
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So she's I like that. Okay, so we love strong, female
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characters on this show. If you haven't noticed and she
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is a strong intelligent, very smart Savvy woman.
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Yes, but I think there comes a risk when you're so like
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involved in this Vision that you block out everything Else.
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And I think I'm not saying just a teen, I'm saying, anyone in a
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position of like, must do Vision must succeed in personal goal
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that you block out. You have like, blinders on.
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She even says, it's much, right? Like she says a multitude makes
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Discord, which means like too many opinions creates fighting.
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I don't want too many opinions and 0.
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B 1 says like she's only interested in her own opinion.
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Like, how is that? Good leadership.
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But so there are throwing truth darts at each Are constantly.
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Yeah, which my favorite part of this whole Arc is Anakin for
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once, just a sitting back and watching the shit show and it's
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not him. Yeah.
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Right. It's not him.
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The conversation that him and Obi-Wan have like Obi-Wan's had
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it. He walks in that room first and
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Atkins trailing behind. It's usually the other way
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around. Obi-Wan is very exasperated.
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He sits down in that chair like I'm tired.
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I'm over it. I can't think anymore.
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I don't want to talk anymore. Nana can just kind of gently
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like so what The story basically.
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Yeah, I love the flip. Like I thought they did a really
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good job like, kind of turning the roles there.
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It's that, that moment where 0 b 1 says Anakin says, first Master
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Yoda says we mustn't form attachments.
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Yeah. And then, Obi-Wan does what
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aniket normally does is like, yes, of course.
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But he also leaves out the undercurrent of remorse, you
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know. Yeah.
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It's just funny, having Obi-Wan being the shoes of he who he's
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always instructing and Going after and the look, they give
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each other. And you know, when Anakin leaves
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him in the elevator. Oh my God!
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That is one of my favorite Classics, but he's like, you and
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Satine ever. Anakin like I don't have any
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bearing situation. It's the look he gives them and
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it's this is animated, it's so good.
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Look speaks volumes. It's so funny good because it's
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like Little bit angry, but then also kind of like, yeah, he's
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right shit. He can tell like like sheepish
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and angry. And don't you dare say anything
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else? Like?
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Yes, don't go there and then he says, go find your girlfriend
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and he's like, yeah. And I leave them like she's not
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like you. Yes, she is, don't lie.
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You have a son together but that's in a different episode.
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Yes, that's like one of our first couple episodes of people
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we had to cut. We had to cross that bridge
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first. But Yeah.
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Everything about it is so entertaining.
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Honestly, I just watched and like a cast reunions.
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That was actually recent. It was like a couple months ago.
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Oh, Anna Grace, to saying that's one of her favorite, the James
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and hers. They agree that it's kind of
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like their favorite episodes and she particularly likes the
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verbal sparring that they had in that.
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I totally agree, they do it. So flawlessly, it's so
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believable and it's so effortless.
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I always ask, like, I wonder how many takes it took?
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I envisioned it taking just one or two takes with those two.
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Probably. Yes.
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There's because the road delightful.
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Yeah. You know, I found some facts
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about all of this, like, who I just fix because I like coming
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in with a few like, did you know?
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Yes, please hit the ship. Well, the ship that Satine and
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Obi-Wan, and Anakin and them take to go to the Senate right
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to the Core. Hassan is called the coordinate
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for the coronavirus coordinate which I like I had a moment.
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It's celebration. Oh, you did.
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Yeah. Someone was trying to remember
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it when I was attending that podcast panel.
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Oh yeah. That ship with the and I was
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like before it. Oh yeah.
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Do you know what that means? It's a tiny Crown.
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Oh that kind of coordinate. Yes I like it which is
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interesting because she wears kind of a tiny Crown,
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symbolically, if you will of Mandalore and the history of
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Mandalore, and she is the leader of the free worlds of the
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pacifist world's, if you will. Mmm.
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So I thought that was apt. I like, laughs.
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That's very nice. I like stuff like that.
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That kind of stuff is not a mistake, especially an intro
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like this. This is always very, it's very
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premeditated. They did that on purpose.
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Yeah. And the more ironic fact is, you
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know, how we were talking in are not a kids show up.
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Episode about. There's the you know suicide
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that take yes, yes, the political suicide episode.
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What does that are episode 2? Yeah, not a kids show.
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Clone Wars is not a kid. Joey to get that off your chest
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real fast. Yeah.
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Do you know what the name of that Park is called?
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I don't peace Park. Also not a mistake.
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I'm guessing. Yeah, that's a no.
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A little ironic anyway. It's not political suicide Park.
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Became political suicide Park. Yes.
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I just like when names means something, even if it's ironic
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in case of the peace Park, I like that too.
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And Star Wars is classic for doing that, kind of stuff.
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Hmm. So it was the that it well, I
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guess I don't know if the shrine is in peace Park, but it's all
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about the Civil War, the Mandalorian Civil War, which is
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like you said, is where Obi-Wan and City and met.
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Hmm, But in Canon, we don't really know that.
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Much about it. They have not talked about what
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the extent of their background really is.
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Well, we can surmise that something romantic happened
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based on how just in deep they are because we wouldn't know
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this. If we don't get to the point
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where Satine has literally being taken off the ship, she thinks
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she's going to die and she tells Obi-Wan she loves him.
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Okay. That doesn't just come out of
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nowhere and he's Completely unfazed by because his
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responses, I would have left the Jedi Order.
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Had you said the word, okay, so there's like a thing there, you
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know, this is not just some flippant, you know, we used to
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know each other and had a crush or something.
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This is this runs way deeper way deeper.
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Yeah. Because by the time he and
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Satine met they would have been I think they were in the early
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20s. Hmm.
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So that's pretty established in the Jedi long enough for him to
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have like for that to be a big deal for him to decide.
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Well I would leave. If she asked me to hmm that's a
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precarious age to yes very much. So you're old enough to know
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you're kind of old enough to know.
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Like okay so being a Jedi is essentially his job, right?
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He knows the ins and outs of it but he's also young enough to be
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able to fall in love and give his heart to someone and have
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like that that youthful. I'm in love you know.
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And and to then still choose the Jedi or what?
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See, we don't know what happened, right?
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We don't know if that was Case we don't know.
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Was it forced? Was it chosen, did he shut that
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wall? Like we said, I mean he had to,
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but what was the Catalyst to that?
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That's all the stuff that makes your fanfic.
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Great. Well, I do like, I get confused
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sometimes now where I'm just like, did I write that or was
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that actually? It's not funny.
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It's really like I do that with the stories that I've written.
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I can't remember if I made it up or if I researched it, It to
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write it or if it's actual, can it like?
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Yes, exactly. So we don't, we don't know
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anything. Canon wise of their actual past,
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we know they had a connection. We're not even sure.
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How deep that connection was, how serious that everything is
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surmised. Like everything we can talk
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about. That's not in actual Clone Wars
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Episodes. It's all just a guess.
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Hmm. Some people have asked, do you
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think they continued either one? Having a relationship during the
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Clone Wars or two at least having an act of friendship
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where they started talking again.
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No to both. You don't think so.
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No, I don't think they had an active relationship.
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I do think they talked though because there was a line.
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I don't remember what the episode is called, but it's the
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one where Padme goes to Mandalore and yes, yes, she and
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stettin are like detectives. I don't know the Girl, friends,
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get together for some rows. A and some political talk and
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end up solving a crime. Yes.
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All in a weekends were like a frightening sexy uncovering a
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major corruption scheme. No big deal but Satine says to
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pad me master Kenobi told me you're very adventurous.
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Oh yeah I guess so they would have to like be talking about
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Anakin and Padme right? Like what was good how did that
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come about? Think I'm Prestige.
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That's a really good point. I didn't consider the only non
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romantic explanation. I can come up with is, maybe he
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was explaining where Anakin came from and that was also when you
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met Padme at the same time so maybe that was the explanation.
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But I like to think that they're just calming each other in the
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middle of the night. Hiding under their blankets be
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like Ah that's actually kind of cute.
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I don't see that happening but I I don't really see the Would I
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just think oh, we want just shut, the Chastity gate on that
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one. Just wait, yeah, once he got a
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tasty had to get out of there because it was it was dunzo
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after that. So, danger ditch your chest up
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to. You is in danger, I think is
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Chastity. Was taken by her, that's my
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thing but I You too. I think that proves how much he
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really loved her, and he had if he was going to be a Jedi, he
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had to shut it off. And she remained respectful of
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that. But also, I'm not speaking for
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all women, but I would be a little bitter.
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Oh, I would be bitter. Well, depending on the
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circumstances, right? But we don't know.
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Yeah, we need more. If he actively chose the Jedi
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over her. Correct bitter.
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Yeah and all of her anger and Sass and like edginess towards
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him makes perfect sense. Yeah, we always talk about how
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respect, how much we respect Obi-Wan for just his
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perseverance through all of this, right?
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So he found love and carried on anyways, and then was faced with
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her possibly dying and and then actually dying and still
24:10
carrying on All of this, I think Satine will always respect him
24:16
even at the loss of not being able to be with them there to
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individuals who are very strongly involved in what they
24:25
believe in. Yes.
24:26
Yeah, you know and it's it takes more than love, it takes timing
24:30
and and Circumstance and all these things to make it work and
24:34
so you can still have a love for someone and still be, you know,
24:37
obligated to something completely external and and it
24:40
can't work. Yes, I 100% agree with that and
24:44
I think that that's why romantic comedies do a disservice to
24:48
people because they kind of give you this idea that love is no,
24:51
you can just walk away from it all and yeah, you need is love.
24:55
All you need is love. All right.
25:00
Speaking of Yuan and a Satine. Oh my God.
25:06
Just kill me. Now it sounds like a painful
25:09
because everyone out there knows right.
25:11
That's it. In the name of Satine, kryze was
25:13
taken from stettin in Moulin Rouge in which Ewan McGregor
25:16
plays. The love interest and loses her
25:19
instead official, yeah, it was on the Wikipedia page.
25:22
Oh, very nice. I've always wondered.
25:23
If that was like a real, like official thing and I like, I
25:27
mean, as long as it's on Wikipedia.
25:29
So I take Wikipedia as a Star Wars Bible.
25:31
So there we go. You got it.
25:33
You got it. So anyway, what were we talking
25:38
about? I have no idea.
25:39
I started singing so I don't end it.
25:41
I love it. Oh yeah.
25:44
Oh yeah. Comms, yes, like and that's why
25:49
I love Obi-Wan and Satine because Anakin and padmé are the
25:53
Romantic there. The Romeo and Juliet.
25:55
I know a lot of people say that it's Obi-Wan and instituted.
25:58
A, I don't think that as a person who studied Shakespeare
26:02
and all that shit. I would say, it's Anakin and
26:05
padmé are Romeo and Juliet, very tragic literal star-crossed
26:10
lovers. Yeah, Forbidden Love.
26:13
Yeah, Obi-Wan and stettin are different because they love each
26:17
other James Arnold Taylor, confirmed that he believes ob1
26:21
loves seeing no questions. Oh yeah, but they chose Duty.
26:25
Yes and that didn't hurt them. They understood that about each
26:30
other. Hmm.
26:31
The tragedy comes from their strengths being used against
26:35
them to try to destroy each other and it's great
26:39
storytelling. It is Grace.
26:41
Retailing. And the beauty of it is, no, we
26:44
don't have all the details, but look at how impactful this oh
26:49
between thing has become. Because it leaves so many more
26:53
doors open for us. The fans to add to the story or
26:58
surmise or headcanon, or do whatever we want to do, right?
27:01
Great stories and put them on a 03.
27:03
You know, I'm gonna keep doing it, would still thank you.
27:10
We have like, Like a through d as facts and everything else in
27:15
between that we discussed that make it so much.
27:17
Greater and even James Arnold Taylor is sitting there saying
27:20
like I believe that this character that I voice.
27:23
Yeah, loved her. It's like, I think it's so cool
27:27
because I think that's why it keeps people engaged as well
27:30
because we don't have all the answers if we did it would be
27:33
fun but it keeps people talking how many fucking years later we
27:37
still talking about this and this came out, you know, and
27:39
everyone wanted it in the in the We Wan Kenobi show.
27:42
We didn't get it, we talked about this, but like yes, just
27:45
some kind of Nod to like the loss that Obi-Wan experienced.
27:50
Yeah, because the live-action, she's never acknowledged or
27:53
Ahsoka. I mean, yes.
27:55
All kinds of things that aren't no.
27:56
Cody, there's a lot. Yeah, there was a lot of
27:59
missing. I'm very happy with what we got,
28:02
but we did get a lot of feedback when we asked like what do
28:04
people wish they had gotten in the cannoli?
28:06
Yeah. So I got a lot of interesting
28:09
and a lot of the same like people really Really, really
28:12
wanted, like I said, top three of us Ahsoka Satine and Cody.
28:16
Well yeah, and that makes sense. They were all heavily involved
28:19
in Obi-Wan's life in some phase that impacted him.
28:24
Yeah, I really do. Wish they had had a moment where
28:27
Satine said something about Qui-Gon in the Clone Wars.
28:30
Yeah. Yeah.
28:31
Because do we know for sure. We assume probably rightfully.
28:35
So, that Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon went to Mandalore for the
28:39
Mandalorian Civil War went, Obi-Wan met Team.
28:42
Right? I mean the only reference is the
28:45
when he's getting on the elevator telling Anakin about
28:47
it. He said an extended mission to
28:49
Mandalore Master Qui-Gon and I had an extended me.
28:52
Yes. Mandalore, so I guess.
28:54
Yes. That's like the only real
28:55
confirmation that Qui-Gon was there but I assumed he was there
29:00
and, you know, Satine would be as respectful towards Qui-Gon
29:03
and his help and his influence in her safety, during the Civil
29:06
War. Yeah, she would ask, she would
29:08
inquire and she'd be heartbroken spending a A year under those
29:12
circumstances? Would you assume that she would
29:14
have felt? Even if he couldn't be attached
29:16
to her, she was attached to him. There's a lot of good stuff with
29:19
those two that we don't know that.
29:21
I just love thinking about, I know, I still like, even like
29:25
writing the Fick. I even then I still play with
29:28
like, alternate scenarios of I liked what I wrote but I also
29:31
like, could have written it, a whole bunch of other ways
29:33
because it just there's no exact answer to any of it.
29:38
It's so sad. Oh between God, dammit Star
29:42
Wars. Again rat bastards.
29:48
Well, okay, so we have to talk about the Lawless which we did
29:51
talk about a bit in our crying episode.
29:54
Yes. What would you like to talk
29:56
about? Like we said, I hate that like I
30:00
love it but I hate it, hate it and love it.
30:02
And part of it is part of it is watching, like everything Satine
30:07
has been working for her entire life.
30:09
Oh, it's just awful torn down as Revenge towards Obi-Wan.
30:14
Like, it didn't even have anything to do with her her
30:16
life. Work just flush down the toilet
30:19
because Mall wanted to hurt Obi one.
30:22
That is so tragic to me. It's the height of like
30:26
psychopathy. Like it's just too to wield that
30:34
kind of pain and take some sort of pleasure in it.
30:38
We're talking about someone's life work, just and you're okay.
30:42
So as Satine, I'm going to get kind of painful here.
30:45
You're in, you're dying moments and You realize it was all for
30:48
nothing and you lose the person you love and it's all to hurt
30:53
him and you don't see what ends up happening because you died
30:57
that is some hard shit and they put it in a kids show up here
31:05
for it. Because this is the, that is
31:08
some like, I love it because it's very dark.
31:12
And I hate it because it's Cannon.
31:14
It's like real, it happened, you know what I mean?
31:17
Yes. Yes, same same and then I'll be
31:23
one side, you watch your loves work, go down the drain
31:27
everything just blows up in your face as a joke to the man you
31:31
thought you killed already who killed your master at the whole
31:35
thing is fucking painful. Yeah and mall is just the puppet
31:40
wielder laughing at it. It's terrible and I hate Mall.
31:43
Yes, the very fact that OB wouldn't shows him Mercy and
31:47
compassion on his deathbed is really telling about the kind of
31:51
man. Open one is when you put it in
31:53
this perspective, what you just said the growth you would have
31:57
to go through because they all say that forgiveness is for the
32:01
person, not who it's directed at.
32:03
Yes, mmm. And so, Obi-Wan would have to
32:06
process that, that would be very hard.
32:08
It would because how, how could you not feel even like a mood
32:12
come of responsibility for everything like, he knew from
32:16
the beginning? What's the teen went through?
32:18
Her father, was assassinated her whole planet at War.
32:23
She had to rebuild it against, like, opposition against the
32:27
opposition, who hated her idea of pacifism, and she still tried
32:31
to make a better life for everybody.
32:33
Really wanting everyone to have the chance to live in peace.
32:37
And like you said, as a joke, throw that away, how does that
32:41
not affect ob1? Like he would feel so guilty.
32:45
I would feel guilty. Even though Ops Solutely you
32:47
would know. It's not really your fault but
32:49
still he's a compassionate person.
32:51
It's so fucking dark. And like you said, I love it and
32:55
I hate it so much. Well I mean it's the kind of
32:58
dark that makes it impactful and makes it.
33:01
You love a character because he would feel regret over what
33:05
happened to Qui-Gon and he couldn't stop it.
33:07
He would have regret over what happened to Satine and he
33:10
watched it and couldn't stop it. He would have regret over what
33:13
fucking happened with Anakin and he couldn't stop it.
33:15
Like how many times? Just forever and ever.
33:20
Yeah, it's just, it's really. He's a, he's just a really great
33:24
character and I I know I said, I never liked satine's character,
33:29
but I respect the hell out of her.
33:31
Yeah, I really do. I respect anyone who fights for
33:36
peace, or stands by their own principles without bending in
33:40
the wind. You know how often does that
33:44
fucking happens? Never, I think it's Easy to get
33:47
frustrated with her because she's so stubborn.
33:51
But if more people had her conviction, yes.
33:53
Maybe the world would be a better place.
33:56
That's what I'm saying. Like, maybe it doesn't come off
33:59
in the way that is the most pleasant.
34:01
But what reason does she have? She's fighting for something so.
34:05
Yeah, and she's bitter because she lost her man, and with a man
34:07
like that with hair like that, I would be, I would be a little
34:10
angry too. If he extended his hand, I'd
34:13
slap it out of my, how to here, with your hand, your hair.
34:16
And that's And those eyes? Yes.
34:20
Walking in here. Looking like that.
34:22
Isn't there a Dolly? Parton song?
34:23
Why'd You Come In Here? Looking good.
34:26
Okay, I guess idea of Jolly Parton song with We gotta love
34:33
that so much. Alright, our question to our
34:45
beloved listeners and fans did you first likes the team when
34:48
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34:56
song like mood tonight. So, next week, our patrons have
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I know I'm really excited. I am too.
35:21
I'm just sad. They pushed it back, but me too,
35:23
but hopefully come to those who wait, yes.
35:26
I was gives the hopefully it's to make it better.
35:28
Yes, three episodes coming out all at.
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Once it's gonna be, I don't know what they're doing.
35:32
I can't handle this shit, I've got Lord of the Rings.
35:36
I've got House of dragons, and now I've got and or well, I
35:41
don't have time to breathe like a very busy woman, things to do
35:46
folks and none of them involves leaving my couch.
35:51
I'm okay with it. I am?
35:52
I swear. Yeah, but your feet up in last
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week's episode. We discussed a Star Wars fan.
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Favorite droids. And we asked our listeners, who,
36:01
or what was their favorite Droid our friend?
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Ben over on Instagram, said, Echo disguised as a Droid in the
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bad batch on Pantera which I had totally forgotten about.
36:14
And I think is absolutely brilliant.
36:17
That moment always makes me laugh whenever I re-watched Bad
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batch. Then also says, but I always
36:22
liked ap5 in Rebels with his banter with the other
36:26
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