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Credlin | 4 August · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krendland live on Sky Ingins Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the show. Steve Price filling in
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Speaker 2: again this week for Peter Credlin and are reminder my
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Speaker 2: old mate Andrew Bolt is back straight up after us.
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Speaker 2: Here's what's coming up tonight though on Credlin. New costings
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Speaker 2: on Labour's headlong plunge into getting Australia to net zero
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Speaker 2: from the Productivity Commission show will cost even more than
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Speaker 2: already expected and will require more government intervention and funding.
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Speaker 2: Surprise surprise, up first tonight Sky's Chris Hulman, who of
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Speaker 2: course presented Sky's documentary on the Dash to Net Zero.
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Speaker 2: Also tonight, what to make of those pro Palestinian protest
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Speaker 2: marches in Sydney and Melbourne. Huge numbers across the bridge
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Speaker 2: carrying offensive signs and photographs of terrorist leaders called peaceful,
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Speaker 2: while in Melbourne a smaller crowd by a long way
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Speaker 2: and more aggressive in a lot way, destructive with the
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Speaker 2: abuse of police setting fire to the Australian flag not once,
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Speaker 2: but absolutely twice. And a fresh debate around Australia's world
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Speaker 2: leading gun laws which came as a surprise to me
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Speaker 2: as the father and husband of three Port Arthur victims,
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Speaker 2: including his two young children and wife. Walter Mikhak warns
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Speaker 2: of any watering down of those gun laws and the
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Speaker 2: work from home debate that's fired up again at the
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Speaker 2: weekend sent votes the ALP's way. As we know during
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Speaker 2: the May election, it's now being weaponized by the Victorian Premier,
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Speaker 2: Jacinta Allen, who at the weekend at the ALP conference
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Speaker 2: promised promised to legislate to make two days working from
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Speaker 2: home the law and I'm not kidding. More on that
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Speaker 2: as well to come. But first, before we get to Chris.
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Speaker 2: The two protest marches yesterday calling for Israel to get
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Speaker 2: out of Gaza and in truth supporting by association, the
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Speaker 2: destruction of that nation could not have been more different,
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Speaker 2: different in size, different in mood, different in messaging. Sydney's
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Speaker 2: blockade of the iconic Sydney Harbor Bridge marched behind a
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Speaker 2: banner declaring it was a march for humanity. Melbourne, by
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Speaker 2: contrasts or masked men setting fire to the Australian flag,
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Speaker 2: not once but twice. You must ask yourself of those
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Speaker 2: Melbourne protesters, if you are so passionate about the Middle East, conflict.
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Speaker 2: Why do you feel the need to disguise yourself behind
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Speaker 2: a mask that's gutless And it says to me, you're
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Speaker 2: aware that the police probably believe you've been involved in
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Speaker 2: incidents that would require a visit to police headquarters for
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Speaker 2: a little chat. As for burning our flag, I know
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Speaker 2: that that's not illegal. It should be, and I don't
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Speaker 2: understand why it's not. And the writing on the road
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Speaker 2: about Australia is a blunt, if stupidly dumb thing to say.
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Speaker 2: They couldn't even spell the word Australia. But then again,
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Speaker 2: none of these protesters are very smart. If they were,
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Speaker 2: they would realize their disruption in both Sydney and Melbourne,
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Speaker 2: shutting down major roads will not make one jot of
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Speaker 2: difference to anything Israel will or will not do in Gaza.
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Speaker 2: We know the real reason Melbourne has had ninety two
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Speaker 2: I repeat ninety two pro Palestine rallies in the CBD
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Speaker 2: since October seven, twenty twenty three on that date, and
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Speaker 2: it's worth reminding all those protests as this, plus senior
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Speaker 2: politicians as well, who seem to endorse what was happening
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Speaker 2: in both capital cities yesterday that on that date more
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Speaker 2: than twelve hundred men, women and children and babies were
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Speaker 2: slaughtered by terror group UMAs. That can't be forgotten. You
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Speaker 2: can make all the excuses in the world, but Israel
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Speaker 2: has and had a right to defend itself against a
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Speaker 2: terrorist attack like that, just as we in Australia would
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Speaker 2: expect to be able to defend ourselves if that happened.
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Speaker 3: Here.
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Speaker 2: Here's what the Victorian Premier had to say on the
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Speaker 2: Today Show today about the protest being peaceful.
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Speaker 4: According to her, overall.
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Speaker 5: Here in Melbourne it was peaceful. There were no arrests
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Speaker 5: and I'm pleased about that.
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Speaker 6: I'm grateful about that.
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Speaker 2: Well, the Premier clearly didn't watch coverage of the Melbourne march.
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Speaker 2: What's peaceful about mask thugs setting fire to the Australian
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Speaker 2: flag Premiere in Camberra today, the Prime Minister was asked
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Speaker 2: what he thought of the Sydney march. He's apparently unaware
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Speaker 2: that Melbourne even had one.
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Speaker 7: Yesterday's march was peaceful and was an opportunity for people
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Speaker 7: to express their concern about what is happening in Gaza
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Speaker 7: and the images that we've seen. It's not surprising that
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Speaker 7: so many Australians have been affected in order to want
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Speaker 7: to show their concern at people being deprived of food
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Speaker 7: and water and essential services, and so the demonstration and
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Speaker 7: the democracy it's important that people will be able to
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Speaker 7: express themselves.
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Speaker 2: Nothing about the hostages, nothing about Israel, nothing about pictures
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Speaker 2: of Iranian leader Hominy being shouldered behind people like Julian
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Speaker 2: asanj and Craig Foster, a terrorist. This leader of Iran
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Speaker 2: a terrorists, who has sponsored terror groups right around the
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Speaker 2: Middle East. I mean what I wish? The Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: was asked by some in the media in Canberra today,
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Speaker 2: was this question, Prime Minister, how would you feel and
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Speaker 2: how do you think the Jewish population here in Australia
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Speaker 2: would have felt yesterday watching those pictures on their television screen.
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Speaker 2: Now we will get that point of view later. But
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Speaker 2: as it started with anti Semitic jew haters on October eight,
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three at the Sydney Opera House chanting either
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Speaker 2: where are the Jews? Or gas the Jews depending upon
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Speaker 2: who you talk to. And now has Israel been called
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Speaker 2: out as conducting genocide and claims they are starving children
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Speaker 2: deliberately as an act of war. The Jewish commun Unity
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Speaker 2: has a right to ask what happened to our hate laws?
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Speaker 2: What happened to a crackdown on anti Semitism. That's peaceful, lizard, peaceful,
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Speaker 2: I mean seriously, Palestine from the river to the sea.
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Speaker 2: What do we think that means? Let's sad to camera
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Speaker 2: now for tonight's political Headlines with Sky News political reporter
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Speaker 2: Rubens Bargo.
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Speaker 8: Australia is sending more aid to Gaza as the government's
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Speaker 8: calls on Israel to end the starvation of civilians. The
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Speaker 8: Foreign Minister announced an extra twenty million dollars in humanitarian assistance.
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Speaker 8: Since the conflict erupted on October seven, twenty twenty three,
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Speaker 8: Australia has contributed more than one hundred and thirty million
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Speaker 8: dollars in aid to Gaza.
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Speaker 9: The whole world is calling for this to come to
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Speaker 9: an end.
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Speaker 8: Must come to an end. Israel denies there is starvation
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Speaker 8: in Gaza. Australia's aid announcement arrived just hours after the
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Speaker 8: mass protest on the Sydney Harbor Bridge. Labour MP and
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Speaker 8: former Minister At Husick was one of thousands to join
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Speaker 8: the march.
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Speaker 4: People are really not happy with what they're seeing.
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Speaker 10: And they want their governments to do something about it.
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Speaker 7: They understand that Australia isn't a participant in the process.
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Speaker 8: There is building pressure to join allies like the United
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Speaker 8: Kingdom and seeking to recognize a Palestinian state. The Productivity
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Speaker 8: Commission is warning the net zero transition is lagging and
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Speaker 8: may cost more than expected to meet Labour's climate targets.
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Speaker 8: The advisory body says there is a need for greater
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Speaker 8: government intervention that includes regulation, incentives and carbon pricing.
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Speaker 3: What that means for average Australians is that they will
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Speaker 3: pay more.
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Speaker 8: The matter is expected to be a topic of foe
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Speaker 8: because during Jim Charmer's Economic reform round table in two weeks.
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Speaker 2: Good on your reub and thank you for that. Now,
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Speaker 2: as I mentioned last week, Chris Hullman's upcoming TV special,
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Speaker 2: The War Cabinet, that's set to air Monday next week,
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Speaker 2: August eleventh at seven thirty pm. Now it could not
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Speaker 2: be more timely with conflicts of course raging still in
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Speaker 2: Ukraine and Gaza, and an increasingly nervous Taiwan our UCHST
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Speaker 2: deal that's up for review in the States, and we've
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Speaker 2: got a massive military exercise nineteen nations involved in our
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Speaker 2: north last week and a visit by one of Britain's
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Speaker 2: aircraft carriers, the HMS Prince of Wales, Chris joins me
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Speaker 2: Ow A dumb question from me, Chris, seeing that aircraft
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Speaker 2: carrier in Darwin Harbor last week, why don't we have
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Speaker 2: one of our own?
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Speaker 4: Well we did have one, Steve.
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Speaker 9: You will remember the HMAS Melbourne which came to a
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Speaker 9: rather unfad event and that was a very very long
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Speaker 9: time a guard and you could certainly make the argument
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Speaker 9: that we should have that kind of capability. It's extremely
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Speaker 9: expensive and would be very long term, so highly unlikely
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Speaker 9: that we get it, but I'll put this on your radar.
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Speaker 9: We should at least have some refueling ships. Remember when
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Speaker 9: the Chinese.
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Speaker 4: Warships did the lap of Australia.
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Speaker 9: One of the things that was shown then was that
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Speaker 9: we were unable to keep pace with them because the
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Speaker 9: two refueling ships that we have, which you need to
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Speaker 9: go long distances, were unavailable.
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Speaker 4: They were in drydocks. So I would like.
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Speaker 9: To start there to have the capability for what navy
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Speaker 9: we have to be able.
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Speaker 4: To lap our own country.
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Speaker 2: Can't wait for war Cabinet. These things are going to
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Speaker 2: come up. I had a little look today. China's got
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Speaker 2: two aircraft carriers, as does Italy and India. Even Japan's
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Speaker 2: got to the US has eleven, so you know it's
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Speaker 2: a war asset that so many people have now tell
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Speaker 2: us Chris, who's going to take part in the war cabinet?
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Speaker 2: Any reaction so far from the government on the fact
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Speaker 2: you're doing it.
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Speaker 9: I wouldn't expect to hear anything from them before or
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Speaker 9: after the event. But we will have people who have
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Speaker 9: been in government when of course former Defense minister job
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Speaker 9: it's given from labor. We have the Australia as long
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Speaker 9: as serving foreignists and Alexander down will also be on
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Speaker 9: the panel. So people who know what it's like to
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Speaker 9: be in a cabinet, and then people who know what
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Speaker 9: it's like to advise them, like the former Head of
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Speaker 9: Home Affairs Mike Bizullo, Peter Jennings of course the former
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Speaker 9: defense official. We have people who know modern warfare, cyber CX,
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Speaker 9: Catherine manste Jennifer Parker, form naval officer and also maritime experts.
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Speaker 9: So that's just some of them. It'll be a very
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Speaker 9: large panel and we've got a lot to get through
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Speaker 9: in a short time, so I'm really looking forward to it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great lineup. I really look forward to
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Speaker 2: seeing it next week. Speaking of military hardware, Chris. The
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Speaker 2: US President Donald Trump has responded to quote highly provocative
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Speaker 2: statements from Russia's former president Dmitri Medvedev by ordering two
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Speaker 2: of his nuclear submarines to be moved closer to Russia.
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Speaker 2: It comes after Medvedev tweeted that mister Trump's recent older
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Speaker 2: made him to Russia over a ceasefire in Ukraine. Work
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Speaker 2: quote a threat and a step towards war.
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Speaker 5: Your reaction, Yeah.
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Speaker 9: Look at it shows how dangerous the world that we
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Speaker 9: live in is, Steve. And also that there is a
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Speaker 9: nexus between powers, because one of the things that we
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Speaker 9: do know is that Russia is getting war our sets
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Speaker 9: from North Korea, and it's also getting them from Iran,
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Speaker 9: and China is helping enormously, and that so those four
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Speaker 9: nations are collaborating together, and underlines the fact that the
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Speaker 9: world is a very very dangerous place at the moment.
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Speaker 9: And Donald Trubb, I think it's interesting on this front, Steve,
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Speaker 9: isn't it.
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Speaker 4: He thought that he could end the.
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Speaker 9: War in Ukraine and the war in Gaza within days,
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Speaker 9: and it's proving that the world is much more intractable
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Speaker 9: than he thinks it is. And one of the things
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Speaker 9: I liked about the US president was the fact that
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Speaker 9: he was saying he didn't want to get involved in
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Speaker 9: any more conflicts. And I hope that he doesn't get
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Speaker 9: dragged into too many more conflicts, because you know what
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Speaker 9: we need is the United States completely focused on what
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Speaker 9: is the actual main game, and in our region that's China.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you suspect they're probably trying to drag him in.
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Speaker 2: Speaking of the Middle East, Iran apparently setting up a
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Speaker 2: new National Defense Council going to be chaired by the president,
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Speaker 2: I mean fears of another strike from Israel now. According
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Speaker 2: to State TV in Iran, the council will focus on
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Speaker 2: quote reviewing defense strategies and enhancing the capability of Iran's
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Speaker 2: armed forces. That sounds pretty concerning to me.
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Speaker 4: It is.
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Speaker 9: What this means is they're looking at a long term
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Speaker 9: strategic conflict with Israel, obviously, and now that their Plan
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Speaker 9: A has failed, all of their proxies have essentially been
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Speaker 9: gutted by Israel and nuclear facilities have been hit. But
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Speaker 9: you should never expect that Iran will give up its
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Speaker 9: main goal, which is to erase the state of Israel
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Speaker 9: from the map. And the thing that I find tragic
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Speaker 9: at the moment about that region, but it's been this
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Speaker 9: way for so long, is that it is now committed
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Speaker 9: to eternal war.
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Speaker 4: Fair.
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Speaker 9: You cannot see any of this ending in our lifetimes,
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Speaker 9: and it could well and truly become more willing and
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Speaker 9: get worse, and Israel will be struggling to defend itself
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Speaker 9: surrounded by enemies forever.
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Speaker 2: Chris, you did that excellent documentary on net zero, and
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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people watch that and suddenly
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Speaker 2: woke up to what might be going on in our country. Well,
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Speaker 2: we wake up today Australian front page Productivity Commission warning
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Speaker 2: that the transition to net zero is going to cost
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Speaker 2: even more than expected, surprise, surprise, and there'll need to
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Speaker 2: be greater government intervention that will mean more money from
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Speaker 2: the taxpayers. None of this would surprise.
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Speaker 4: You, right, no.
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Speaker 9: But one of the things that does surprise me is
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Speaker 9: the Productivity Commission used to be an absolute ornament to
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Speaker 9: proper public service scrutiny, and the idea of the Productivity
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Speaker 9: Commission was that it puts under the microscope government policies
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Speaker 9: and subjected them to hard headed economical and what does
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Speaker 9: this report do. This report is trying to pave the
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Speaker 9: way for government programs and including much more regulation in
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Speaker 9: the economy. Now you tell me at time when the
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Speaker 9: Productivity Commission in the past has actually advocated for more regulation,
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Speaker 9: has been unable to put any kind of figure on
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Speaker 9: the costs that are going towards this program, and is
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Speaker 9: now talking about essentially flattening out environmental laws so that
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Speaker 9: the government may proceed with as much haste as possible
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Speaker 9: with massive industrial wind farmers. Now, if you were a
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Speaker 9: farmer trying to clear the tops of hilltops on the
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Speaker 9: Great Dividing Range, which is what is proposed, you wouldn't
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Speaker 9: be able to cut down one tree. What the Productivity
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Speaker 9: Commission is advocating for is essentially we need to destroy
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Speaker 9: the environment to save the planet. That doesn't strike me
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Speaker 9: as a particularly good way of going about business.
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Speaker 2: Suggest to me that there's been some politicization of the
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Speaker 2: Productive Commissioner because Chris Bowen's going to look at that
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Speaker 2: report today. I mean, you know, if Question Time was
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Speaker 2: on today, he would have been asked a question about it,
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Speaker 2: and he would have said it's endorsing his government's policies
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Speaker 2: and what they want to try and do.
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Speaker 9: Steve, when we saw at first in Victoria and we're
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Speaker 9: seeing in Australia now, you would know this is the
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Speaker 9: Victorian government.
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Speaker 4: Root and branch.
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Speaker 9: Now is a creature of the Australian Labor Party, the
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Speaker 9: Victorian branch of the Australian Labor Party. And what we're
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Speaker 9: seeing in a federal level now is the same thing
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Speaker 9: as happening federally. All of these agencies which should actually
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Speaker 9: be looking out for consumers, not just the Productivity Commission,
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Speaker 9: but whereas the Order to General running his eye over
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Speaker 9: the way that the way that the government is distributing
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Speaker 9: money through the capacity at investment schemes, billions of dollars
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Speaker 9: inside a black box which are actually at the discretion
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Speaker 9: of the minister.
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Speaker 4: Why isn't that.
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Speaker 9: Being looked at across the across all of the bureaucracy,
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Speaker 9: including Treasury. I don't see anything but an acceptance of
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Speaker 9: an ideological position by government which they are determined to
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Speaker 9: back in.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you just wonder, don't you just finally that
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Speaker 2: you know, if you go back in history and you
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Speaker 2: were having debates about linking near South Wales and Victoria
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Speaker 2: with transmission lines or building a new government owned coal
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Speaker 2: fired power station as they once used to be, that
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Speaker 2: the taxpayers will be told how much it was going
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Speaker 2: to cost and what was going to do to the
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Speaker 2: price of their electricity bill.
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Speaker 4: And we know now it's Steve like.
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Speaker 9: The thing is, we keep getting modeling from people like
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Speaker 9: the CSIRO and what the cost will be. The only
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Speaker 9: modeling you need to look at is your own electricity bill,
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Speaker 9: and then ask the question, what's changed? Why is my
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Speaker 9: bill rising? Why is the federal government needing to step
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Speaker 9: in and subsidize electricity bills?
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Speaker 4: Because the costs path that we.
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Speaker 9: Are on by putting more wind and solar on the
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Speaker 9: grid is going to be ruinously expensive and we have
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Speaker 9: only just begun to do it. We yet to see
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Speaker 9: the long run costs of these big transmission projects. And
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Speaker 9: once everyone is ticked off as they explode in cost
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Speaker 9: that will be written into your bill for the next
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Speaker 9: twenty five years because there is a regulated rate of
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Speaker 9: return on those assets. So you'd think your bills are
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Speaker 9: high now just wait. They on nothing but an upward trajectory,
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Speaker 9: and nobody in government has any idea about what the
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Speaker 9: real cost of Netziero is going to be, because transforming
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Speaker 9: the electricity grid is a small part of it.
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Speaker 2: Chris, great to catch up. I look forward to seeing
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Speaker 2: next Monday Night's War Cabinet. That's Chris Hulman. There after
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Speaker 2: the break we'll discuss how those major pro Palestinian rallies
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Speaker 2: yesterday are impacting on the Jewish community here in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Bus concerns have been raised. I don't know why over
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Speaker 2: possible gun law changes in New South Wales. Why would
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Speaker 2: you change something that has worked so well since the dreadful,
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Speaker 2: dreadful attacks at Port Arthur. Welcome back to Steve Price,
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Speaker 2: with you filling for Peter Kredlo. Get onto those gun
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Speaker 2: law changes shortly. But yesterday we've got to go back
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Speaker 2: to these protest rallies that we saw. I mean, in
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Speaker 2: Sydney there was an estimated ninety thousand people. I don't
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Speaker 2: know how you estimate a crowd of that size, but
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Speaker 2: that's what the police estimate was. It could have been
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Speaker 2: a few thousand less or a few thousand more. They
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Speaker 2: marched across the Sydney Harbor Bridge. I would have thought
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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court on Saturday would have prevented that and
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Speaker 2: granted a permit to police to prevent that happening, because,
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Speaker 2: as police said after the protest march yesterday, there was
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Speaker 2: certainly a danger of there being a crowd crush at
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Speaker 2: one point, so the march went ahead. Court action was
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Speaker 2: not successful. Now, I made by view pretty obvious at
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Speaker 2: the start of the program, and what I thought unfolded yesterday.
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Speaker 2: It was particularly concerning to see I think an image
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Speaker 2: of Iranian dictator Atolli Ayatola ali Hamani held up near
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Speaker 2: the front of the march, just behind the likes of
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Speaker 2: Wiki Leak's founder Juliannasang, who was there didn't speak to
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Speaker 2: the media. Green Senator Maureene Feruki we know w her
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Speaker 2: view of this, and Republican activist Craig Foster reportedly Labour's
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Speaker 2: Ed Husick, former minister in the Labor government, was there
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Speaker 2: as well. So the question that's been puzzling me ever
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Speaker 2: since yesterday and again today, how has Australia's Jewish community
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Speaker 2: reacted to those scenes? Joining me now is Zionist Federation
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Speaker 2: of Australia's CEO Alon Casulo. Alon, thanks for your time
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Speaker 2: That's a simple question for me. Watching what happened on
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Speaker 2: the bridge, how did that make you and your community feel?
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Speaker 10: Our community has shaken up? Steven understandably so. I mean
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Speaker 10: you had the total number of people who are estimated
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Speaker 10: to have been in this march pretty much the equivalent
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Speaker 10: of the entire Australian Jewish community, which numbers at roughly
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Speaker 10: one hundred thousand odds. And this so called March for Humanity,
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Speaker 10: which was promoted as a peaceful demonstration, was anything but.
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Speaker 10: As you mentioned, there were photos of Ayatola Humani, who's
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Speaker 10: responsible for the deaths of thousands of people around the
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Speaker 10: world and sponsoring terrorism that has killed tens of thousands
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Speaker 10: of Israelis and Americans. And you've got chance for the
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Speaker 10: destruction of Israel, You've got chance for death to the
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Speaker 10: Israeli defense forces, the display of Nazi symbolism, glorification of terrorism.
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Speaker 10: I mean, these images that are not about peace, They're
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Speaker 10: not about a two state solution. They're not about Israelis
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Speaker 10: and Palestinians living side by side and ending the horrific
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Speaker 10: war which Israel didn't start and didn't want. And so
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Speaker 10: as you mentioned, the image of Faruki Assange Craig Foster
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Speaker 10: standing in front of a giant image of Ayotola Romani,
20:49
Speaker 10: I think says it all. It's a mask drop moment.
20:53
Speaker 10: I mean, if these people wanted peace, then they'd stand
20:56
Speaker 10: side by side with Jews and Palestinians and have Israelian
20:59
Speaker 10: Palace d Inian's flags flying side by side and promoting
21:05
Speaker 10: calling for an end to Ramas, for a return of
21:07
Speaker 10: the hostages, for a ceasefire, and the beginning of a
21:12
Speaker 10: two state future. But in fact there wasn't. Out of
21:15
Speaker 10: ninety thousand people marching, ninety thousand people marching, there wasn't
21:19
Speaker 10: a single Israeli flag. There wasn't a single image of
21:22
Speaker 10: any of the Israeli hostages. And I think that really
21:25
Speaker 10: tells you everything you need to know that one of
21:28
Speaker 10: Australia's most iconic symbols, the Harbor Bridge, a place that
21:32
Speaker 10: should be all about unity, became a symbol of hate.
21:36
Speaker 10: It was hijacked to delegitimize Israel as the only Jewish
21:40
Speaker 10: state in the world. So this wasn't a march for humanity.
21:43
Speaker 10: This was a march against Israel. And speaking of the community,
21:47
Speaker 10: it came at a particularly painful time. It was actually
21:51
Speaker 10: the day of Tishabab, which is a Jewish day of mourning,
21:54
Speaker 10: the saddest day in the Jewish calendar, which is a
21:57
Speaker 10: holy day for us. We're jus fast. We mourned destruction
22:00
Speaker 10: of our temples in Jerusalem over two thousand years ago.
22:05
Speaker 10: And on this day, Ramas knew the symbolism of this.
22:09
Speaker 10: And this was the day the Hamas, a despicable terrorist organization,
22:14
Speaker 10: chose to release harrowing videos of Israeli hostage Avatar David,
22:20
Speaker 10: who was emaciated in unimaginable conditions. I mean, it's the
22:25
Speaker 10: only image of a starving adult coming out of Gaza.
22:28
Speaker 10: Was this emaciated hostage who was forced to dig his
22:32
Speaker 10: own grave while Hamas video taped him and sent it
22:36
Speaker 10: to his family into the world. So this was not
22:39
Speaker 10: a march for peace. We are all for protest and
22:42
Speaker 10: free speech, and we're all for humanity, but this was
22:45
Speaker 10: not that. This was a horrific, horrific symbol of hate
22:49
Speaker 10: in our minds.
22:53
Speaker 9: All on.
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Speaker 2: I made the point on my program on Friday that
22:55
Speaker 2: now we've had on October eight the scenes outside in
23:00
Speaker 2: the opera house the day after the terror attacks on Israel,
23:06
Speaker 2: and depending on who you talk to there was chance
23:09
Speaker 2: of gas the Jews or where are the Jews? You
23:12
Speaker 2: then bookend that with the Sydney Harbor Bridge with ninety
23:17
Speaker 2: thousand people on it, those pictures, and it's no coincidence
23:21
Speaker 2: that these people chose those two iconic locations because they
23:25
Speaker 2: know that those pictures will go around the world. So
23:29
Speaker 2: what is yesterday saying to Jews around the world and
23:35
Speaker 2: to everybody around the world about what Australia thinks about
23:39
Speaker 2: what's going on in Gaza?
23:42
Speaker 10: Well, listen, Steve, I think I want to separate two issues.
23:46
Speaker 10: I received a lot of very concerned phone calls from
23:50
Speaker 10: friends family around the world, in the United States and
23:54
Speaker 10: Europe and in Israel, saying what on earth is going
23:57
Speaker 10: on in Australia. And it's not because they they take
24:01
Speaker 10: issue with people caring about what's going on in the
24:03
Speaker 10: Middle East. I mean, anyone who sees children who are suffering,
24:06
Speaker 10: Anyone who knows what real war is about, knows that this.
24:12
Speaker 10: People should care about this, people should come out and
24:15
Speaker 10: protest suffering, whether it's Israeli's Palestinians or anyone else. But
24:20
Speaker 10: never have we seen another war, not any of the
24:26
Speaker 10: genocides that have happened in Rwanda or in Sudan or
24:31
Speaker 10: anywhere else in the world, bring out hundreds of thousands
24:33
Speaker 10: of people like this, and what we realize is that
24:37
Speaker 10: actually there is a unique hatred that manifests when it
24:42
Speaker 10: comes to Israel that doesn't manifest in any other conflict
24:46
Speaker 10: around the world. Now, this isn't about trying to understand
24:49
Speaker 10: the deep seated roots and historical prevalence of anti Semitism.
24:54
Speaker 10: It's actually about saying Israel is fighting for some very
24:58
Speaker 10: specific values which the same as Australian values, as American values,
25:03
Speaker 10: as European values. These are Western liberal values against a
25:07
Speaker 10: psychotic Islamist terrorist organization bent on its destruction. And I
25:13
Speaker 10: understand that this is foreign for many Australians because fortunately,
25:17
Speaker 10: here in Australia we don't have an existential threat, We
25:19
Speaker 10: don't have an Islamist organization on our doorstep trying to
25:23
Speaker 10: massacre our families. But it is the reality that Israel
25:27
Speaker 10: lives in. And I think a reality check came when
25:30
Speaker 10: we saw that these same people who protest Israel and
25:33
Speaker 10: call for Israel's destruction also call for America's destruction, and worse,
25:38
Speaker 10: they call for Australia's destruction. I mean we saw Australian
25:41
Speaker 10: flags being burnt, We saw Australia big, diligious christ. Yeah,
25:47
Speaker 10: and I think really.
25:48
Speaker 4: There's consolutely dreadful.
25:51
Speaker 2: So I mean history, you know, just absolutely appalling what
25:55
Speaker 2: happened there. I mean I mentioned the start of the show,
25:57
Speaker 2: the Melbourne issue, with the burning of the flats and
26:00
Speaker 2: the hatred toward our own country alone. I appreciate your
26:03
Speaker 2: time tonight, thanks for giving us a few moments.
26:06
Speaker 4: Appreciate it. Thanks a lot.
26:09
Speaker 2: It is just appalling and how we had a legal
26:12
Speaker 2: judgment to allow that much to go ahead is still
26:15
Speaker 2: beyond me. Now changing to pace, it may feel a
26:18
Speaker 2: little like a lifetime ago, but for those directly impacted
26:21
Speaker 2: by the massacre at Port Arthur back in nineteen ninety six,
26:24
Speaker 2: the memories of that terrible day are never very far
26:28
Speaker 2: from their minds. Obviously, the shootings claim thirty five lives
26:31
Speaker 2: at the historic Port Arthur's site. Twenty three people were wounded,
26:35
Speaker 2: leading to landmark gun reforms under then Prime Minister John Howard,
26:40
Speaker 2: one of the greatest things that he ever did. Now
26:42
Speaker 2: since in Australia has not seen a mass shooting on
26:45
Speaker 2: the same horrific scale. Unlike in the US, we've become
26:48
Speaker 2: a global example of how strong gun laws can actually
26:52
Speaker 2: create safer communities. But today Walter Mikhak, the father and
26:56
Speaker 2: husband who lost his entire family, has broken lily third
27:00
Speaker 2: years of silence. He's issued to start warning to the
27:03
Speaker 2: Premiere of New South Wales, Chris Mins, to not support
27:07
Speaker 2: new hunting legislation which could risk laying the groundwork for
27:11
Speaker 2: future mass shootings. Anyone who saw firsthand as I did,
27:15
Speaker 2: what Martin Bryant unleashed that day will never forget it.
27:19
Speaker 2: I was there the day after and tragically it was
27:21
Speaker 2: pointed out to me and the rest of the media
27:24
Speaker 2: the tree where Walter's wife and two children, Alana and
27:28
Speaker 2: Madeline were shot in cold blood. So are our gun
27:31
Speaker 2: laws in New South Wales at least at risk of
27:34
Speaker 2: being watered down? Stephen Bendall is the convener of the
27:37
Speaker 2: Australian Gun Safety Alliance and joins US. Now are they
27:42
Speaker 2: are the gun laws seriously under some sort of threat?
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Speaker 11: Beliving Steve, this is the most regressive firearm legislation that's
27:50
Speaker 11: been introduced in any Australian parliament since since Port Arthur
27:56
Speaker 11: and you quite rightly pointed out a horrible tragedy there,
28:01
Speaker 11: and as Walter has said, the only thing that has
28:05
Speaker 11: come out of that is the strong gun laws that
28:08
Speaker 11: we have. We're in a situation right now where the
28:12
Speaker 11: Shooter's party in New South Wales has proposed some new
28:15
Speaker 11: legislation that has the support of the government, and we
28:19
Speaker 11: know the governments are a minority government, and as mister
28:22
Speaker 11: Minz pointed out this morning, other parties have rights to
28:26
Speaker 11: introduce bills, but this bill has absolutely no public benefit.
28:33
Speaker 11: There is no redeeming features of this bill for the
28:37
Speaker 11: eight million New South Wales people who've got nothing to
28:40
Speaker 11: do with firearms. We're calling on the Premier to reject
28:46
Speaker 11: the bill outright. He has said this morning that they
28:49
Speaker 11: won't be watering down any laws and we are pleased
28:55
Speaker 11: at that. But this bill has a whole range of
29:00
Speaker 11: initiatives hidden inside it. We call it a trojan horse
29:04
Speaker 11: of a bill, and most importantly, it wants to introduce
29:07
Speaker 11: a new right to hunt. Our National Firearms Agreement, the
29:13
Speaker 11: New South Wales Firearms Act, and all of the acts
29:16
Speaker 11: around the country say that the use and possession of
29:20
Speaker 11: a firearm is a privilege that is conditional on public safety.
29:24
Speaker 11: No one in Australia has a right to own or
29:27
Speaker 11: use a firearm, and this legislation, just through the slight
29:33
Speaker 11: of a couple of words, intends to introduce this new
29:38
Speaker 11: right into legislation in New South Wales, which would have
29:42
Speaker 11: to be recognized across the legislative framework in New South Wales,
29:47
Speaker 11: and no one really knows what impact that will have
29:50
Speaker 11: on a whole range of other areas. The bill is
29:54
Speaker 11: as audacious as legislating a Minister for hunting. If you've
30:01
Speaker 11: ever had any wonders what the impact of the shooter's
30:05
Speaker 11: party looking for. They're not concerned about feral animals or conservation.
30:11
Speaker 11: As clearly as wanting a minister for hunting is the
30:13
Speaker 11: same as the tobacco industry wanting a minister for tobacco,
30:17
Speaker 11: minister for smoke.
30:21
Speaker 2: Well, as I pointed out, I was on radio when
30:23
Speaker 2: Port Arthur happened, and I actually went there the next day.
30:26
Speaker 2: But what I came to quickly realize in the weeks
30:29
Speaker 2: subsequent to that the gun lobby not as powerful as
30:34
Speaker 2: in the United States, but it's a very powerful lobby,
30:36
Speaker 2: particularly within sections of the Labor Party, whether it be
30:41
Speaker 2: Victorian or New South Wales labor or federal labor, because
30:45
Speaker 2: a lot of the blue collar union unions, particularly in unions,
30:49
Speaker 2: I like to see if MU like to go and
30:52
Speaker 2: use weapons and hunt, that's what they love doing. It's there,
30:56
Speaker 2: it's their relaxation.
30:59
Speaker 11: And the vast majority of legal firearm owners and users,
31:04
Speaker 11: law abiding people. We've got nothing against hunting or fire
31:09
Speaker 11: our use. Preferably that they weren't there, but it's a
31:14
Speaker 11: legal activity in Australia and we've got nothing against that.
31:18
Speaker 11: What we don't think is appropriate is when there is
31:21
Speaker 11: absolutely no consultation on new legislation that's introducing the parliament,
31:26
Speaker 11: and when you say they may not be as powerful
31:28
Speaker 11: as the USA. In Australia, we have a political representatives
31:35
Speaker 11: that are elected to represent shooters and this is an
31:40
Speaker 11: example where they are using that power in the lower
31:44
Speaker 11: house of the New South Walest Parliament to influence policy
31:49
Speaker 11: and to influence legislation. As I said, there's been no
31:53
Speaker 11: consultation on this. The expectation in the legislation is that
31:59
Speaker 11: huge amount of crown land, public land, forest areas are
32:03
Speaker 11: all going to be opened up to hunting and where
32:07
Speaker 11: people will be there.
32:08
Speaker 4: With a right to hunt.
32:11
Speaker 11: It's really just about having more guns available for more
32:15
Speaker 11: people in more places. And we don't think the Australian
32:19
Speaker 11: public expect that. We know the Australian public expect a
32:24
Speaker 11: strong firearm safety framework and we shouldn't be led by
32:30
Speaker 11: the nose by the shooters Party that are therefore commercial
32:34
Speaker 11: interests in advancing what they want to do on the weekend.
32:41
Speaker 11: But it's got to be conditional on the need for
32:45
Speaker 11: public safety. And it's only reasonable to think that if
32:48
Speaker 11: we have many more guns in many more places, by
32:52
Speaker 11: many more people, that is not consistent with a government
32:59
Speaker 11: responsibility to ensure public safety.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, Stephen, thank you very much for that. We'll keep
33:05
Speaker 2: an eye on how that legislation proceeds. And you note
33:09
Speaker 2: they're in some of the pitches that we showed you.
33:11
Speaker 2: John Howard in that famous speech where he was talking
33:14
Speaker 2: to National Farmers Federation, I think wearing for the only
33:18
Speaker 2: time ever a bulletproof vest which you could see in
33:21
Speaker 2: the back of his soup jacket. Now, after the break
33:23
Speaker 2: and new report warning NET zero is going to be
33:25
Speaker 2: a lot more expensive than expected. Who would have thought that,
33:28
Speaker 2: Plus how one state is looking to weaponize working from home.
33:38
Speaker 4: Welcome back to price with you now.
33:40
Speaker 2: The Productivity Commission has worn today the transition to net
33:43
Speaker 2: zero is set to be much more expensive than expected. Gee,
33:47
Speaker 2: what a surprise that revelation is a new report saying
33:50
Speaker 2: more government intervention will be needed. That means more money.
33:54
Speaker 2: I suspect grants, subsidies, you name it. Labour's climate targets
33:58
Speaker 2: are going to that's if they're going to be met.
34:01
Speaker 2: That's what's going to happen. Joining me now, that was
34:03
Speaker 2: all on the front page of the Australian newspaper this morning.
34:06
Speaker 2: Joining me now, Shadow Energy Minister Dan Te and Minister
34:09
Speaker 2: good to see you. Thanks for joining us.
34:14
Speaker 5: Pleasure Steve, wonderful to be with you.
34:16
Speaker 12: Just had two days at Cheap Bention in Hamilton and
34:20
Speaker 12: can I tell you people are very very concerned about
34:25
Speaker 12: the price of energy on the ground here in rural Victoria.
34:31
Speaker 2: Well, I spent a lovely weekend down in dun Curlt
34:33
Speaker 2: in your electric just two weekends ago, and that backdrop
34:36
Speaker 2: of yours there is exactly what I was looking at
34:39
Speaker 2: as I had dinner in the Royal Mail Hotel. So
34:42
Speaker 2: it's a great part of the world. I mentioned at
34:45
Speaker 2: the start there that you know, when you read a
34:47
Speaker 2: report like this, the Government's going to put a positive
34:50
Speaker 2: spin on it, Minister, but Dan, it's not really very
34:56
Speaker 2: positive at all, is it isn't?
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Speaker 12: And the Government has to come clean with the Australian
35:04
Speaker 12: people on what is the cost of their energy transition
35:09
Speaker 12: because they're getting it wrong and yet they won't tell
35:12
Speaker 12: the Australian people what the cost is going to be. Now,
35:16
Speaker 12: you'll remember there was a report from the Productivity Commission
35:20
Speaker 12: around a new way to tax and that had all
35:23
Speaker 12: the costings associated with it. Yet we get this report
35:27
Speaker 12: from the Productivity Commission and they're silent on cost. Why
35:32
Speaker 12: it's because the government does not want to come clean
35:37
Speaker 12: with the cost of their approach of this energy transition.
35:41
Speaker 12: We all know through our power bills that it's costing
35:44
Speaker 12: more and more on a daily basis. Yet they will
35:47
Speaker 12: not come clean with the Australian people. And Chris Bowen
35:51
Speaker 12: and Anthony Albanezi must come clean. They have to be
35:54
Speaker 12: transparent and they've got to be upfront with the Australian
35:57
Speaker 12: people because they're hurting at the moment.
36:00
Speaker 5: They're hurting through their power bills.
36:04
Speaker 2: Well, the government's been eight weeks during an election campaign
36:06
Speaker 2: not telling anyone what it's going to cost. They managed
36:09
Speaker 2: to get away with that. They're now back, they've got
36:11
Speaker 2: a massive majority. I mean, do you think a figure
36:14
Speaker 2: exists somewhere? Is there something in writing somewhere that adds
36:18
Speaker 2: up transmission lines, turbine infrastructure costs, solar panel costs and
36:27
Speaker 2: putting it all together. Is there one figure somewhere that exists.
36:32
Speaker 12: Well, I don't know whether there is or not, but
36:35
Speaker 12: we're going to pursue a figure and if the government
36:39
Speaker 12: won't provide it, then we're going to do the work
36:43
Speaker 12: or going to seek to get the work done, or
36:45
Speaker 12: hopefully others will come forward and do the work so
36:49
Speaker 12: that we can put a cost on that, because that
36:52
Speaker 12: is the key figure that the Australian people want to know,
36:56
Speaker 12: because what they're seeing week afterward, week after week is
37:01
Speaker 12: Chris Bowen telling them one thing, and yet what they're
37:05
Speaker 12: seeing through their electricity bill, their gas bill and other ways,
37:10
Speaker 12: whether it be we're starting to see large industries having
37:14
Speaker 12: to be bailed out, is that that isn't proving to
37:19
Speaker 12: be what the government is telling them that it is,
37:22
Speaker 12: and so we have to know what the cost is
37:25
Speaker 12: and one way or another we will find it out.
37:30
Speaker 2: Jim Chalmers, of course, has got his economic roundtable coming up.
37:35
Speaker 2: There's a lot of doubt about what exactly will come
37:38
Speaker 2: out of that and whether it's already been pre organized.
37:40
Speaker 2: But surely someone in that round table, whether it be
37:44
Speaker 2: from big business, from the mining industry, you know, even
37:49
Speaker 2: your Deputy leader, is going to ask that question. They
37:53
Speaker 2: at that three day round table, and they have to
37:55
Speaker 2: get an answer.
37:59
Speaker 12: Well to get an answer, because Jim Chalmers has come
38:03
Speaker 12: clean and said that the energy transition is costing more
38:07
Speaker 12: than they thought it was going to So surely he's
38:10
Speaker 12: got to be able to say, well, how can he
38:12
Speaker 12: say something like that? Must be based by facts, and
38:16
Speaker 12: if it is based by facts, then he obviously has
38:19
Speaker 12: the information that the Australian people should know. And if
38:23
Speaker 12: he doesn't have it, then he needs to find it out.
38:27
Speaker 12: Because the Productivity Commission has done this work, they've been
38:31
Speaker 12: silent on costs.
38:32
Speaker 5: We know when it comes to the CSIRO.
38:35
Speaker 12: They did some work last week, the gen cost work,
38:38
Speaker 12: and yet they won't be transparent on the model that
38:42
Speaker 12: they use, and they actually come clean and say that
38:46
Speaker 12: the model is outdated now and yet they won't be
38:49
Speaker 12: transparent about the problems with it. Now, I don't blame
38:52
Speaker 12: the Productivity Commission. I don't blame the CSIRO. What I
38:56
Speaker 12: blame is the government, because the Government isn't asking the
39:01
Speaker 12: questions of these organizations that it should be is please
39:06
Speaker 12: do the work, do it properly, be transparent and tell
39:09
Speaker 12: the Australian people what they're in for. And if the
39:13
Speaker 12: government won't ask those questions, then the government is hiding
39:17
Speaker 12: something and we're going to pursue them on.
39:19
Speaker 4: That dan Seine.
39:22
Speaker 2: We've got an example last week of cost blowouts with
39:25
Speaker 2: in Victoria, with that interconnector that's coming from New South
39:29
Speaker 2: Wales into Victoria. You know it, well, it's called the
39:32
Speaker 2: Interconnect West transmission project that's facing major cost blow it's
39:37
Speaker 2: according to a report from the Australian Energy Market Operator.
39:41
Speaker 2: The project's now blown out from three point nine billion
39:45
Speaker 2: to seven point six billion. Someone said it could even
39:48
Speaker 2: go to eleven billion, eleven point four billion. They're huge numbers,
39:53
Speaker 2: but that's one transmission line project joining two states. I mean,
39:57
Speaker 2: if you look at this thing nationwide, how the hell
40:00
Speaker 2: are we going to pay for it?
40:03
Speaker 5: Well, you're going to pay through it.
40:05
Speaker 12: For it through your electricity bills because that blowout and
40:09
Speaker 12: costs they've at least doubled, if not gone three times
40:14
Speaker 12: higher than what the government said they would be. And
40:17
Speaker 12: that could be just for that single project alone, upwards
40:21
Speaker 12: of one hundred dollars extra on your power bill. And
40:26
Speaker 12: this is just one project. So when you look across
40:29
Speaker 12: the board at what's happening, there's no way that the
40:33
Speaker 12: government can deliver on their two hundred and seventy five
40:35
Speaker 12: dollars reduction on people's power bills that they promised by
40:38
Speaker 12: the end of the year, and that there's no way
40:40
Speaker 12: that they can say in good conscience that electricity prices
40:45
Speaker 12: are going to be lower, So that all these things
40:49
Speaker 12: just continually add up to a complete mess. And when
40:52
Speaker 12: Ross Garno comes out and says to Chris Bowen, you've
40:56
Speaker 12: made a complete.
40:57
Speaker 5: Hash of this. Surely it's time for the government to
41:00
Speaker 5: start listening.
41:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, we saw another farmer's protest in Melbourne last week.
41:07
Speaker 2: What are your regional and rural constituents saying about facing
41:12
Speaker 2: heavy fines if they don't allow these people onto their
41:15
Speaker 2: property to erect these things.
41:18
Speaker 12: They're seriously concerned about their individual rights they're seriously concerned
41:24
Speaker 12: that we're seeing a government that is absolutely happy to
41:28
Speaker 12: run rough shot over them in pursuit of their ideological agenda.
41:34
Speaker 12: And there is growing anger in rural Australia about what
41:39
Speaker 12: is happening. And I can tell you that both the
41:42
Speaker 12: Premier and the Prime Minister's popularity in my part of
41:46
Speaker 12: the world and most of regional and rural Australia continues
41:50
Speaker 12: to go down the sink because these people who deliver
41:54
Speaker 12: so much for our nation feel like they've been absolutely
41:58
Speaker 12: taken for granted in so many ways, whether it be
42:02
Speaker 12: the way they've been unfairly taxed, their rights are being
42:04
Speaker 12: taken away from them, and what they're seeing is just
42:08
Speaker 12: costs upon costs being added to their business, where they
42:11
Speaker 12: be farm businesses, whether it be industrial businesses, small manufacturing,
42:16
Speaker 12: you name it. They just feel like that this government
42:20
Speaker 12: does not care about them.
42:25
Speaker 2: Just for you go, what did you make of those
42:27
Speaker 2: images yesterday from that Melbourne protest march where they were burning,
42:33
Speaker 2: wearing masks and burning the Australian flag.
42:38
Speaker 5: Well, I just shook my head in dismay.
42:43
Speaker 12: We should be proud of our flag, we should be
42:46
Speaker 12: prepared to stand underneath it and shout what a wonderful
42:50
Speaker 12: country we live in, How wonderful it is to be
42:54
Speaker 12: able to win, to live in a democracy, to have
42:57
Speaker 12: the right to be able to protest, to be able
43:00
Speaker 12: to go into the city and say, look, we don't
43:03
Speaker 12: agree with this, Whether whether half the population or.
43:06
Speaker 5: More agrees with you or not.
43:08
Speaker 12: That is those rights are just so so important and
43:11
Speaker 12: that we cherish them under our flag, and to see
43:14
Speaker 12: that happen to our flag is bitterly disappointing.
43:20
Speaker 2: Danteen, thanks very much for joining us tonight.
43:25
Speaker 5: Pleasure.
43:25
Speaker 2: Steve Panel, coming up after the break, asks the question
43:30
Speaker 2: should working from home two days a week really be legislated?
43:34
Speaker 2: Plus calls for a baby bonus amid falling fertility rates.
43:38
Speaker 4: That's next.
43:43
Speaker 2: Welcome back, reminder Andrew Bolts is back. He's up next.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring our Monday Night panel. The member from mon Nash,
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Speaker 2: Liberal Member for Monash Mary Aldred and Queensland LMP Senator
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Speaker 2: James McGrath. Welcome to you both. Mary, to you first,
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Speaker 2: I mean you said heer Allan stood up at the
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Speaker 2: Labor Party conference in Victory at the weekend and said
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Speaker 2: she intends to legislate to make working from home two
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Speaker 2: days a week law.
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Speaker 4: Can she actually do that?
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Speaker 3: Well, what a blatant and unimaginative grab for votes. This
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Speaker 3: is the Victorian Labor government barging through the door of
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Speaker 3: every Victorian business demanding that business owners give operational power
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Speaker 3: over to the Victorian government.
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Speaker 6: It actually works against the employee. It takes away choice,
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Speaker 6: flexibility negotiating between the employee.
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Speaker 3: And the employer. And of course we have a federal
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Speaker 3: ir system, so it is so often Planet's Steve that
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Speaker 3: not even Victorian trades Fall had this on their wish list,
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Speaker 3: So it's a very bad move.
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Speaker 4: James.
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Speaker 2: The problem with this is we went through an election
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Speaker 2: campaign you know, only too well with the Labor Party
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Speaker 2: smashing Peter Dutton for suggesting that he would end working
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Speaker 2: from home. What he was going to do, will know
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Speaker 2: is insists that federal public servants mainly based in camera,
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Speaker 2: would return to the office. But they weaponize that against
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Speaker 2: you and it worked. So obviously just send the things.
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Speaker 2: It's going to work for her as well.
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Speaker 1: I totally because look, if you look at Victorian State Labor,
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Speaker 1: they've got nothing going for them. And as Mary points out,
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Speaker 1: there's actually an attack on small businesses and It's an
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Speaker 1: attack on employees. It takes away the right of the
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Speaker 1: employee and the employer to have that conversation together. It's
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Speaker 1: the freedom of people to be able to work and
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Speaker 1: run a business. This is an attack on freedom by
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Speaker 1: that mob down there in Melbourne.
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Speaker 4: Yeah. I just can't understand.
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Speaker 2: How if you go and apply for a job and
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Speaker 2: your boss says, well, we want you to work five
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Speaker 2: days a week in the office, and you say, well no,
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Speaker 2: just Cinda, Allen Tommey, I can stay home for two
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Speaker 2: days a week. I mean, it's just not going to work.
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't have thought, Mary. Fertility rates are back in
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Speaker 2: the news. Our favorite form, my Prime Minister John Howard
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Speaker 2: calling on the treasure of Jim Chalmers to reinstate the
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Speaker 2: baby bonus. The problem for Peter Costello was it allowed
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Speaker 2: every newspaper to run that very strange photo of him
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Speaker 2: staring into the camera cradling a baby and looking very uncomfortable.
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Speaker 2: Do we need the baby bonus back?
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Speaker 3: John Howard is one of my favorite former prime ministers.
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Speaker 3: He ran a great government. I've been following this issue
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Speaker 3: closely with Japan have actually just recorded their lowest birth
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Speaker 3: rate in a century, but I've been looking at what
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Speaker 3: their government have been doing, which has been.
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Speaker 6: Focusing on childcare arrangements and fee relief for high school.
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Speaker 6: But one of the issues they have is that it
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Speaker 6: is a cost of living an economic challenge, but it's
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Speaker 6: also a societal challenge. So people are getting married later,
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Speaker 6: they're having smaller families. So I think we need to
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Speaker 6: look at this from a border lens as well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, James, I mean, unlike the days of Peter Costello
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Speaker 2: and John Howard, the government's now broke and we've got
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Speaker 2: a cost of living crisis. So most young folks that
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Speaker 2: I know who are thinking about starting a family are
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Speaker 2: having to actually wait longer because a they can't afford
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Speaker 2: the rent, can't afford to find the deposit for a house,
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Speaker 2: and simply can't afford to have children.
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Speaker 1: I totally that they're taking longer to have children and
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Speaker 1: they're having fewer children because of the changes we're seeing
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Speaker 1: in society. Mary mentioned Canada, but you also look at Japan,
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Speaker 1: you look at Italy and what is Anthony Albani is
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Speaker 1: going to do. They're just going around talking about tax rises.
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Speaker 1: We've got to talk fest the productivity. About productivity coming
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Speaker 1: up the best way to get people to have more
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Speaker 1: children is to think to show that they are invested
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Speaker 1: in the economy and grow the economy, so they've got
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Speaker 1: something positive to look forward to.
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Speaker 2: James, you saw the ACTU today, Sally mcmanuson and the
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Speaker 2: list of what they're going to put on the table
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Speaker 2: at that round table is absolutely frightening.
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Speaker 1: Remember that the ACTU and the Union's bank rod the
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Speaker 1: Labor Party the last tim we saw of the ir changes.
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Speaker 1: So what we're going to see in this term is
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Speaker 1: the second page of all the secret changes that labor
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Speaker 1: and the unions are going to punish for Australians with
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Speaker 1: so the Productivity Commission. So the Productivity round table coming up,
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Speaker 1: is this going to be it is the entree to
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Speaker 1: how all of us are going to be hit by
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Speaker 1: labor on the left.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think any of us are particularly looking
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Speaker 2: forward to what's going to come out of that. It's
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Speaker 2: going to be higher taxes, there's no doubt about that.
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Speaker 2: Mary and James, thank you very much for joining us tonight.
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Speaker 2: As I kept reminding you folks, it's a big night
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Speaker 2: here at Sky. My old mate Andrew Bolt is back
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Speaker 2: from a few weeks off and he'll be up straight
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Speaker 2: after us. I'll see you tomorrow night.