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Mexico Race In Jeopardy? Lawsuits & Penalties, Breaking Down All The NASCAR Drama | Kenny Wallace Show · Kenny Wallace Media

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  Hello everybody, it's the Kenny Wallace show.
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  There he is. Herm, the herminator, Kenny
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  Wallace. I am Charlie Marlowe.
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  And Kenny, you've obviously been down there.
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  We can't say Daytona. You're in Ormond Beach, FL and
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  then you come back home here to Saint Louis where I am as well.
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  And you, you called me earlier tonight.
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  You said, hey, there's there's so many NASCAR hot topics going
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  on this past week. We got to do a live show on
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  YouTube and basically just talk about all of them, right?
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  Yeah, Charlie, I I pretty much say, you know, when we joke
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  emergency press conference, you know, it, it started piling up
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  on us so much. And you know, we we all watched
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  it going on. But like, but then you know,
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  when Bob Pocras came out this evening, it's like that's when I
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  decided to call you. I said, Charlie, it's just
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  getting ridiculous. Let me let me say this before
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  you you start talking about it all.
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  You know I was in Circuit of the America on Sunday and the the
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  NASCAR race was awesome. I firmly believe that NASCAR
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  right now is is on a high. They have been getting it done.
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  As you can clearly see the ratings are way up.
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  Did you see that rating Charlie from Circuit of the America TV
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  rating? Yes, 4.1 million people, that's
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  good. That's just really good.
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  So I just want to say before you get going that NASCAR on the
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  competition side, the racing is doing really good, really good.
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  So all right, you take it away from here.
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  All right, got a bunch of comments coming in.
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  Keep the comments coming and the questions as well.
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  Or do you have 82 people watching and that is going to
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  grow. So you mentioned what Bob
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  Pockrus tweeted out earlier today.
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  So we'll, we'll start with this story, which is the whole deal,
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  the rumors basically about this NASCAR race in Mexico City.
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  And apparently there's rumors now that it, that it may not
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  happen. So I'll go ahead and read from
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  Bob Pockrus's Twitter X feed. So about 8 hours ago.
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  He says there have been rumors for several weeks that the
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  Mexico race won't happen. Even though NASCAR brought
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  drivers to Mexico last week, they did some some promotions
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  there and had Mexican media at CODA this past weekend.
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  I talked to NASCAR this morning. They're adamant that the Mexico
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  race is good to go. Then he tweeted one more time.
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  Let's see. Rumors of Mexico race not
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  happening likely stem from the current state of relations
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  between the two countries. Of course, everything going on
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  with the tariffs and all that. And there are some in the garage
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  who have anxiety about going just like there was some maybe
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  not to same extent about racing in Chicago.
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  I fully expect it to happen. That's coming from Bob Parkers.
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  And I did find it kind of funny that the comparison was made to
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  Chicago. And I understand, look, I love
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  Chicago. Chicago.
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  Chicago has its problems with crime.
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  We all know that. And and Bob Parker's did say
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  it's not to the same extent. I did find it kind of funny that
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  that drivers were maybe comparing the crime rates in
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  Mexico to Chicago. I got to chuckle out of that.
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  Yeah, that was very funny actually.
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  But I got to tell you, you know, any city, you go downtown, any,
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  anywhere, you got to watch your back.
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  So you know, I, I told my wife before, you know, we have three
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  daughters. I said, I don't care where you
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  go. You know, we're, we're going to
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  go on a cruise at the end of this month before my race season
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  starts. We start dirt racing April 4th,
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  5th. But at the end, you know, we're,
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  we're going to some, we're going to some islands, not in Mexico,
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  but my son-in-law Brody said they got an alert out to where
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  we're going that, you know, we got to watch her back.
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  And I said, Brody, I said that's everywhere all the time.
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  I said, you know, look, if you all go downtown Saint Louis,
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  downtown Chicago, downtown Philly, you go to a Super Bowl,
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  a World Series, stay as a group, watch your back, you know, so I
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  really feel like everything is getting exaggerated right now.
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  I know a lot of people, Charlie. So I did, I did call my my
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  sources and and they said it's it's the same old, same old.
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  You know, you have a group of people that you know, they say
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  it so much that it almost becomes true.
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  So now you got to defend yourself.
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  But at the end, my source said this is nothing that some
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  tequila and beer can't fix. So, you know, NASCAR was
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  adamant, but I think you and I are commenting on it because I
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  never realized it, Charlie. But this anxiety thing, anxiety,
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  maybe anxiety was around in the 1960s, but I didn't know it.
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  It's like the word anxiety is a famous word now.
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  I got anxiety. I mean, there's times I feel, am
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  I nervous or do I have anxiety? Am I nervous or do I have
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  anxiety? So Bob Popras reporting that
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  crew members have anxiety going to Mexico.
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  So there's no way you can convince me that Mexico does not
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  want this to happen. You got some of the wealthiest
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  people in Mexico City, Mexico, that want NASCAR, you know, the
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  tariffs, the political side. You know, that's just all the
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  time. You could say the same thing
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  about going to Canada. But right now we just let our
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  government do what they're doing it to me.
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  It's, you know, it's when you see everybody face to face, it's
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  kind of an inside joke. You know, the you know, if you
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  see your buddies in Canada, you know, I got, you know, Colton
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  Perrico, Saint Louis Blues player, you know, he's a friend
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  of mine. I'm not, I'm not going to say
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  nothing to him about the tariffs.
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  He's from, he's from Canada. It's it's like you going to the
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  Media Center for the Blues and go, what about the tariffs?
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  It's just stuff you don't talk about when you get involved in
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  sports. But my sources tell me that, you
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  know, there's nothing to it. My sources do tell me, though,
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  that, you know, maybe they should just took the Cup series
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  down there because they they are taking the Cup series and the
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  Xfinity Series. And usually when you bring a, a,
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  a second series down, Charlie, what that does is that keeps the
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  downtime up. So in other words, you know that
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  the Cup cars go out on the track and now they don't want the fans
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  to leave. So then they have the Xfinity
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  cars come on the track and that keeps a lot of entertainment
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  going. So I feel like the reason the
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  Xfinity Series is going down there, that will keep the
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  entertainment up. So there's not a law.
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  But listen, I've raced there three times.
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  I've raced in the Xfinity Series on my best finish I think was 6.
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  But I've been all over Mexico City, Mexico, and I didn't have
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  any issues. And I go to Mexico all the time.
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  But you know, it's like anything, keep your head on a
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  swivel, just like if you're going downtown, any city.
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  So I'd like to hear what you have to say.
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  But I'm pretty much, I feel like everything's going to be just
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  fine. Yeah.
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  I have one more question for you.
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  From what you've heard, these rumors was it was it from the
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  get go when the race was announced to Mexico City that
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  we'll see what happens or is it more of what happened in the
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  last let's say month or so with the tariffs and all that that
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  that has stirred up this latest round of, of rumors.
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  That I cannot answer you. I don't know when the exact
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  timeline was, but however, I can tell you that my redneck friends
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  out there, I love you all, but you know who you are.
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  I love you. I'm a redneck, OK?
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  All my redneck race fans, you know me, I imitate them.
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  I, I not believe they go to Mexico when they should be going
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  to South Boston, you know, So I mean, listen, there's a lot of
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  money, you know, in Mexico City, Mexico, and I'm going to Google
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  it. Do you remember that?
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  The wealthiest guy there? Oh, is it?
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  Is it? Is it Carlos Slim?
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  Yeah, boy, that how'd you remember that name?
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  Well, I remember it was from it. Was it from the Daniel Suarez?
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  Yes. Conversation.
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  Yes, yes. So Carlos Slim, you know, he's
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  got a big phone company down there and there's there's a lot
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  of money down there. So NASCAR's not going there
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  because they're going to lose money.
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  Every time I've gone there for the Xfinity race, it's a sea of
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  people. I think it's a great idea just
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  because you want to race where you're appreciated.
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  I mean, listen, there's a there's a lot of race tracks
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  here in America that I could say they don't appreciate you.
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  They don't deserve a date. But I know when I when I raced
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  the Bush Grand National Series, I think at the time it was
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  called the Nationwide Series. When I raced the Nationwide
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  Series, they wanted us there. And I mean, there was horns
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  blowing and they they they're, they're like Formula One, you
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  know, and speak of that Formula One race is there all the time
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  now. They just got done racing there
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  and they celebrate racing there, Charlie.
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  So all I ever heard to answer your question is NASCAR's going
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  to Mexico City and then all the rednecks come out.
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  My friends, I not believe they go to Mexico when they could be
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  racing Eldora. So I think that's pretty much
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  what I heard, you know, but I don't know.
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  Yeah, I don't know the timeline. Thomas Johnston comments and he
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  says opens the market, basically talking about opening up that
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  market and and the country Mexico to NASCAR.
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  And that's what I'm thinking here because you talk about
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  money and obviously you can go to Mexico City, there's a lot of
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  money there. But to me, the future, I mean,
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  you're building fans, but the money's got to be the fact that
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  you can have the media rights deal in a different country,
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  right? I mean, I feel like it's the
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  same way the NFL is always trying to go over there to
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  London and and build a fan base in Europe and all that.
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  If you can all of a sudden, we, we talk all the time and we're
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  going to later in the show here about the, the lawsuit and the
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  money coming from that, that the TV deal, right?
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  The, the teams and NASCAR are splitting that up.
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  And if you can add a, another country all of a sudden to that
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  TV package, I mean that that's where the millions, if not
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  billions of dollars in the future come from.
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  So I, I totally get it. But I also understand how if
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  you're living in Charlotte and you've already been going, you
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  know, you're coming to what Phoenix this weekend and Vegas
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  and back and forth homestead and then the haulers down to Mexico
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  City. I can totally get how from a
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  logistical standpoint that's that's really tough on the
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  teams. Oh, this can be debated till the
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  cows come home, as they say down South, you know, you could
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  easily say, hey, we should go to so the we should go to the, you
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  know, the Alabama Motorsports Plex, you know, where IndyCar
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  runs. I mean, there's a boatload of
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  race tracks. I mean, people are still shaking
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  their head why we are not running, you know, the road
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  course up there, you know, above Milwaukee.
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  I got brain fade. What's the name of that road
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  course? Rd.
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  America. Rd.
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  America, you know, I mean to me, you know, I'm not going to
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  question NASCAR because it's very clear when they don't
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  listen. Rd.
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  America was standing room only people in the grass everywhere.
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  So it's very clear it wasn't the people, the reason they left
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  there. And you know, we're trying.
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  We're not telling NASCAR what to do by any means.
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  We're trusting them. And and what we're seeing is
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  Steve Phelps, by the way, I got to tell you something.
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  I sat next to Steve Phelps yesterday when I left Daytona
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  and I was on American Airlines. Steve Phelps, the president.
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  I mean, you talk about a coincidence.
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  It's right next to me. He could not have been nicer,
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  Charlie. I think they like what we're
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  doing here, you know, on on our shows.
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  And we didn't talk racing. But he was so nice to me.
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  But I compliment him. I said, Steve, I said you guys
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  got it going on. I said these races are
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  unbelievable. Congratulations.
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  And then we, you know, Rusty gave me a little lesson.
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  When you converse with NASCAR, don't don't start talking, you
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  know, about racing. So but Steve Phelps, the
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  president, NASCAR was extremely nice to me yesterday.
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  So, yeah, I mean, here you go. You know, Lance is saying, you
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  know, NASCAR should go to Everett.
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  Now, I'm having fun, Lance, don't get mad at me.
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  But here's a perfect example. Why is NASCAR going to Mexico?
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  They should come to Evergreen Speedway in Washington state.
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  However, the Xfinity Series is already up there racing, right?
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  But it still goes to what Steve Phelps says.
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  Steve says, listen, we're going to sell part of NASCAR and we're
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  going to go global. And that was news a month ago.
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  So if Steve Phelps says we're going to sell part of our sport
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  because we need to raise money, we're going to go global, then,
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  you know, we don't need to keep moaning about it and
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  complaining. We're just going to go, oh,
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  makes sense. Now we're saying that's why
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  they're going to Mexico. It's because they say they want
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  to go global. How many global races?
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  I don't know. You know, and our friend at
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  Dirty MO Media, Dale Junior, Dale Junior is like, I don't
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  know why we need to go overseas. We got plenty of racing over
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  here, and I agree with Dale Junior to an extent, But when
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  NASCAR tells us no, we want to go global, then OK, if you want
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  to go global, then I understand why you're going to Mexico City.
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  All right, So we cited Bob Parker's of Fox Sports earlier
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  in terms of these rumors about Mexico City and what we'll do it
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  again here. And this is good for anybody
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  who's trying to follow the lawsuit because they basically
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  have an article on foxsports.com and it's always there about the
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  lawsuit and it provides updates every time there's an update.
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  So if you're trying to get caught up in the lawsuit, you
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  can go and you can see all the updates throughout the last
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  whatever it is, four or five months.
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  So here's the March 5th update. Couple of days ago.
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  I'll just read. I'll read 2 paragraphs real
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  quick. NASCAR filed a counterclaim
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  alleging that during the negotiations for a new charter
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  agreement, 2311 co-owner Curtis Pull, who's the longtime
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  business manager for Michael Jordan and the 2311 and Front
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  Row Motorsports teams, conspired to use tactics that violated
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  antitrust law. NASCAR cited Polk organizing a
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  boycott of a charter required team meeting with owners.
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  And, and I, I remember that from a couple years ago that that
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  meeting that was boycotted. Also, they allegedly tried to
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  organize a boycott of a qualifying event, a boycott that
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  did not happen. NASCAR alleges the teams
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  colluded to get better terms in the charter agreement that they
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  quote, obtained charter agreements that contained more
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  beneficial terms for race teams than would have been obtained in
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  the absence of collusion, including terms relating to
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  duration of the charters and financial floors.
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  I know it's a lot of legalese there but basically NASCAR is
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  now counter suing 2311 Racing and Front Row Motorsports after
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  2311 Racing and Front Row Motorsports sued them going back
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  to October. So as we always say, Charlie,
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  we're going to do bullshit this. We're going to put it in
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  redneck, redneck terms. Yes, I always make fun of the
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  fancy words and I understand why we have to have these fancy
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  words. We go to college, we become
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  attorneys and we got to use the right verbiage.
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  But we're going to dumb this down.
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  It's going to be short and sweet.
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  What I'm going to say, NASCAR has had enough of Curtis Polk.
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  They feel like he's the ringleader and NASCAR is pissed
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  and they're just, they just said, OK, I believe, I believe.
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  Let me read this real quick here.
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  I did take a snapshot. OK, I'm going to read this.
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  What is NASCAR counterclaiming? In the counterclaim, Polk is
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  repeatedly singled out as the ringleader against the.
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  Current. Charter Oh, hold on guys.
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  I got to tell Kim my wife's calling me.
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  And as you all know, if you don't answer your wife coming,
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  hold on. Let me just tell Kim what we're
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  doing here. All good.
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  I'll, I'll, I'll talk while you're doing that because I also
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  want to say so. So basically NASCAR from from
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  what I read from Bob Parker's, NASCAR wants to kind of get rid
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  of the the guaranteed spots for these teams that are suing them.
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  NASCAR is basically saying you can't, you can't sue us and then
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  still get these guaranteed spots in these races.
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  But from what I read, this is going to happen later in the
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  year. This is an injunction deal.
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  Again, we're trying to, we're trying to just kind of use like
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  8th grade language. Here we have to, right?
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  And I don't understand it either, but from from what I've
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  read, NASCAR couldn't achieve that unless it went to trial.
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  So from what I read, nothing's going to change this year for
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  2025. But if it were to go to trial in
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  December, NASCAR, and if and if that thing lasted a long time,
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  it it looks like NASCAR will be fighting to say, well, hey, in
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  2026, then 2311 racing and Front Row Motorsports, we don't want
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  you to have a guaranteed spot while you're suing us.
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  I'm going to read this in a minute here, but to your point,
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  I want to, I want to add on to what you said and what I'm going
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  to say is wholeheartedly the way I feel.
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  NASCAR tried making the teams happy by giving them a charter
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  system and it sounds really good because you got guys like Bud
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  Moore, Richard Petty, Junior Johnson.
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  These guys didn't have a pot to piss in and at the very end of
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  their lifespan all they had was a an old race car building and
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  parts. So, you know, it, it is nice to
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  when it's all over, you can sell your race team, your starting
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  position. OK, now that I've said that
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  NASCAR should have never done it.
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  They should have never offered a charter up.
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  But I do want to say this about NASCAR.
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  I truly believe this. They tried to do the right
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  thing. They're like, let's give them a
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  charter that way, you know, they can sell this.
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  But they never, ever thought that Michael Jordan and you
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  know. Front row would come and have
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  all this fighting. So, OK, let me let me read to
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  you this so everybody understands.
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  Jennifer. The Associated Press, this is
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  where this comes from. What is NASCAR counterclaiming
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  in the counterclaim? Polk is repeatedly singled out
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  as the ringleader against the current charter proposals.
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  NASCAR attorney Christopher Yates went so far as tell The
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  Associated Press that Polk, who in addition to being George's
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  business manager, is a co-owner of 2311 along with three time
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  Daytona 500 winner Danny Hamlin. And they're saying Polk does not
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  understand NASCAR business model.
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  And NASCAR is saying Curtis Polk basically orders orchestrated
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  and threatened a boycott, as you said, of one of the qualifying
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  races for a major event and others did not go along with
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  him, Yates said. Now Yates is the NASCAR
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  attorney. He got other teams to boycott a
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  meeting that was required by the charter.
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  And then in the end, I think This is why NASCAR has finally
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  had enough. When you have a threatened
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  boycott of NASCAR qualifying races that are covered by media,
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  that's not good for the race teams and not good for
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  everything we're trying to do collectively for the sport.
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  So in the end, the reason you and I called this emergency pest
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  conference is NASCAR's had enough.
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  And they're like, we're going to sue your ass and we're we're
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  going to sue you for for what? Everything I just read, I just
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  read it. That came from Jennifer, The
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  Associated Press. And that was all, you know,
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  NASCAR's Yates, you know, Yates said all that.
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  So basically NASCAR saying Curtis Polk has conspired to for
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  all these teams to like, not run a practice session, you know,
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  it, boycott a meeting, you know, and we still got a lot more to
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  talk about. But in the end, you know what do
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  what do you feel? I'm just going to say this.
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  I think NASCAR's had it up to here.
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  And, and I want to add this before I let you talk.
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  NASCAR said we will not settle, we will go to court.
• 22:46
  So that tells me how how mad they are.
• 22:50
  So yeah. Yeah, and I'll read.
• 22:52
  I'll read real quick. Also the response from Jeffrey
• 22:54
  Kessler. He's the attorney for 2311 in
• 22:57
  front row. They call it a meritless
• 22:59
  distraction. And the quote is my client's
• 23:02
  lawsuit has always been about transforming NASCAR into a more
• 23:05
  competitive and fair sport for the benefit of drivers, fans,
• 23:09
  sponsors and teams. Because of their love of the
• 23:12
  sport. Every major sport goes through a
• 23:15
  transition to competition when antitrust claims are asserted,
• 23:19
  and that moment has come for NASCAR.
• 23:21
  I won't read the whole thing there, but yeah, NASCAR's.
• 23:25
  NASCAR's pissed. Obviously I haven't changed my
• 23:28
  opinion on this. I just look now it, it certainly
• 23:33
  looks like it's going to go to court.
• 23:35
  At first. I I just have always felt that I
• 23:39
  think NASCAR is going to have to budget a bit when it's all said
• 23:44
  and done, no doubt. I just think when you do look at
• 23:47
  the quote I just read, it's NASCAR's time, whether you like
• 23:51
  it or not and whether NASCAR wins or not, this antitrust
• 23:54
  union type stuff, it happens in every single sport and it
• 23:59
  happens. It's happened in other sports.
• 24:00
  4030, I mean, Curt Flood, Curt Flood with the Saint Louis
• 24:04
  Cardinals, when was that? The 70s?
• 24:06
  That's when they fought it in baseball.
• 24:08
  So we're talking 50 some years ago and now it's coming to
• 24:11
  NASCAR. I don't know if it's going to go
• 24:13
  to trial. It looks like it will now, but I
• 24:15
  do think in the end, NASCAR is probably going to have to budget
• 24:19
  a little bit and, and carve that pie up a little bit more and
• 24:23
  probably going away from the tracks and NASCAR to the teams.
• 24:27
  That's, that's what I think is going to happen eventually.
• 24:29
  I, I don't know the percentage that they're going to have to
• 24:31
  give up, but I, I think they're going to have to give up a
• 24:33
  little bit. I admire you because you're
• 24:36
  very, you're very knowledgeable. You cover a lot of sports.
• 24:40
  You've seen it all. You've seen more than I have.
• 24:43
  I know that you've been inside those locker rooms and you know
• 24:46
  what's going on in Major League Baseball, NFL.
• 24:49
  When you and I met, that's what you were doing.
• 24:54
  I'll say this, I'm going to dumb it down a little bit more.
• 24:59
  And this is what my source told me.
• 25:03
  There's going to be a whole lot of money spent on these
• 25:07
  lawsuits. And it is a shame.
• 25:10
  You know, when you go to court, like say for a divorce, they
• 25:16
  say, listen, we want the husband and wife to go into a room and
• 25:21
  we want you guys to try to figure this out because we don't
• 25:24
  want to tell you what you're going to do.
• 25:26
  They say that all the time. You know, you hear it.
• 25:29
  You know, it is a shame that they just could not figure this
• 25:35
  out because I can't imagine the millions and millions of
• 25:40
  dollars. I mean, these attorneys, these
• 25:42
  guys are, you know, all day long.
• 25:45
  It's $600.00 an hour and you know, these, these type of guys,
• 25:49
  there's no telling what these guys are making an hour and
• 25:52
  they're full time. So the millions of dollars that
• 25:57
  NASCAR is spending on these attorneys and you know, 2311 and
• 26:03
  front, it amazes me where front row's getting all their money.
• 26:06
  I don't know who's, you know, maybe it's maybe it's Curtis
• 26:10
  Polk, you know, because he's been Michael's manager.
• 26:13
  It'd be, it'd be interesting. Just saying on the race car
• 26:17
  driver side, you know, or the race team side, who's the one
• 26:20
  flipping the bill. But I'm just saying it's really
• 26:23
  sad that they just couldn't figure this out on their own.
• 26:27
  You know, man, it is a it is a mess, you know?
• 26:31
  So I just felt like, you know, I was done talking about this
• 26:38
  until NASCAR said, no, we're going to sue you.
• 26:41
  It's like Schrader don't want to talk about it.
• 26:43
  You know, when we do, Herman Schrader's like, not my deal,
• 26:45
  man. I'm like, OK, not our deal,
• 26:48
  Schrader. But.
• 26:48
  But now NASCAR's announced they're suing them.
• 26:51
  So it it is a shame for another reason.
• 26:55
  The sport is doing so good right now. 4.1 million people watch
• 27:01
  that race. You know, the racing's
• 27:03
  incredible. So yeah.
• 27:08
  I will say just finishing on this topic, though, I'm
• 27:12
  wondering because the the sport is doing so well.
• 27:15
  I just wonder if modern sports fans, if they if they look at it
• 27:21
  as much as a negative. And I say that because if you're
• 27:25
  a sports fan, you've been through this so many times.
• 27:28
  I mean, I was born in 1982. So the first, the baseball
• 27:31
  strike was the first time I really felt this.
• 27:33
  They didn't have a World Series 1994.
• 27:35
  They come back. It did take baseball a while to
• 27:38
  get their fans back. But then you had right, the
• 27:41
  steroids arrow with the with the home run, Chase McGuire, Sosa,
• 27:44
  you had Cal Ripken with his streak and all that.
• 27:48
  So baseball obviously suffered. And this is 30 years ago.
• 27:51
  But you tell me, Herm, as a sports fan now, in the last 30
• 27:54
  years, I've seen so many strikes and so many lockouts in every
• 27:59
  sport. I mean, I covered one when the
• 28:01
  Rams NFL is about whatever it was 1012 years ago.
• 28:05
  There's always lockouts, there's always strikes, even if it's in
• 28:08
  the offseason. I wonder if sports fans have
• 28:10
  kind of been desensitized where it's not as big of a deal, even
• 28:14
  though it's the first time it's happening in NASCAR, because
• 28:16
  they've seen this happen so many times in all the other sports
• 28:19
  they watch. Man, you bring up a great point.
• 28:23
  I love baseball so much, you know?
• 28:26
  And I love the Saint Louis Cardinals so much that when they
• 28:28
  went on strike, I was pissed. I didn't like any of them.
• 28:33
  I ain't never watching again, you know, because they hurt me.
• 28:37
  Because, you know, one of the most emotional phrases of all
• 28:41
  time for me is the boys of summer.
• 28:45
  When you say the boys of summer, that just reminds me of a 90°
• 28:49
  man. The sun's going down.
• 28:51
  Busch Stadium beer and peanuts. Let's go.
• 28:54
  Cardinals happy. And you're and, and y'all are
• 28:57
  taking this away from me because you're fighting over money and
• 29:01
  here I am making $25,000 a year. Pissed me off the no end.
• 29:06
  So you bring up a really good point, Charlie.
• 29:11
  I don't I think it's different in NASCAR.
• 29:14
  I don't think the fans care because now they they don't care
• 29:19
  right now, but they're going to care if you know for some reason
• 29:27
  all these race cars don't show up.
• 29:28
  But you can read in the lawsuit you only got you you got you got
• 29:33
  basically 36 charters. OK, there's two teams.
• 29:40
  I had this said to me before by Jake Elder, an old, a great crew
• 29:45
  chief. He said it's sad to say, but
• 29:49
  they're going to race with or without us.
• 29:52
  NASCAR don't need those two teams now.
• 29:55
  They want them, but you know, they want them all, but they
• 30:00
  don't need them, you know, and they can easily, easily, you
• 30:05
  know, race with no problem without them.
• 30:09
  But but I can tell you NASCAR's got their big boy pants on right
• 30:13
  now because there's no doubt in my mind.
• 30:16
  I'm not putting words in anybody's mouth.
• 30:18
  But if I'm NASCAR, I and I don't like using this word because my
• 30:23
  Mama taught me, don't ever use the word hate.
• 30:26
  But if I'm NASCAR right now, I hate, hate this, this whole, all
• 30:33
  these people in this situation. There's no way NASCAR can be
• 30:37
  going. Oh, it'll be OK.
• 30:39
  You know, they probably hate those people right now.
• 30:43
  It it pains me to say that, but we're trying to dumb everything
• 30:47
  down here to communicate with everybody.
• 30:49
  So, yeah, I like it that you did bring that up because, boy, that
• 30:53
  pissed me off. I will never forget the Major
• 30:57
  League Baseball and the players union.
• 30:58
  Strike it. We couldn't.
• 31:00
  We couldn't even watch baseball 'cause they arguing over money.
• 31:03
  Yep, all right. Let's move on here to some some
• 31:09
  penalty news. This was a couple days ago.
• 31:11
  Wednesday was the huge news for NASCAR.
• 31:13
  Everything dropped on Wednesday with the penalties, with the
• 31:17
  with the lawsuit, the counter suit and all that.
• 31:19
  So Chase Briscoe, this doesn't happen very often where Chase
• 31:22
  Briscoe, they just Joe Gibbs Racing, they just win this, they
• 31:26
  win this appeal. So everything is overturned.
• 31:30
  I mean, huge fine and penalty and all the points.
• 31:34
  So he gets them all back. And basically this is coming
• 31:36
  right from nascar.com. So it was about the spoiler and
• 31:40
  they say the panel, this is the panel that overturned it.
• 31:44
  The panel believes that the elongation of some of the holes
• 31:47
  on the number 19 cup car spoiler base is caused by the process of
• 31:51
  attaching that specific spoiler base to the rear deck and not
• 31:56
  modification of the single source part.
• 31:59
  So they're saying, look, they didn't actually try to fiddle
• 32:03
  with it, It's just basically when they were attaching the
• 32:08
  spoiler. So Chase Bristol's good now.
• 32:11
  Yeah, and, and I want to say this to help you out a little
• 32:14
  bit. So what happens is you have
• 32:17
  holes and you got to put a bolt through the hole and then you
• 32:22
  screw it in. Well, they bought these parts
• 32:27
  from NASCAR and they went when they went to put the spoiler on,
• 32:32
  they couldn't bolt all the bolts in because it because it was
• 32:36
  bad, OK, It was bad. So I guess instead of calling
• 32:43
  NASCAR up and saying these these certain amount of bolts won't go
• 32:46
  in, they just took a file. Now I don't know if this is what
• 32:50
  they did, so don't hold me to it.
• 32:52
  But you know, they took a round file like this pen and they and
• 32:57
  this is the hole like this. And they go like this, Charlie,
• 33:00
  They take a, they take a file and they file out the hole a
• 33:03
  little bit so the bolt will go on so they can bolt the spoiler
• 33:07
  down. And sounds to me like, you know,
• 33:12
  calmer and more rational heads prevailed.
• 33:17
  And, you know, they, when the officials look at all this
• 33:21
  stuff, they don't want any of these holes to be messed with.
• 33:25
  Well, it's pretty simple. You know, the bolts would not go
• 33:31
  through the hole. So it's like the team said, oh,
• 33:34
  the Bolts won't go through the hole, but I'll tell you what,
• 33:36
  it's getting to me. It's getting to be anywhere.
• 33:38
  If you just touch the piece, you might ought to call NASCAR.
• 33:42
  And I think it I think the process is that tough.
• 33:46
  It's hard on these teams because you know it, it could be, it
• 33:50
  could be 6 O clock on a Thursday night and they're trying to bolt
• 33:52
  this spoiler on, you know, and and what are you going to do?
• 33:56
  Because some listen, as professional as these teams are,
• 34:00
  sometimes they get, they get their backs against wall and
• 34:04
  they, they're not done at 5:00. You know, this, this notion that
• 34:09
  everybody punches out at 4:00 and 5:00, that's false.
• 34:15
  Sometimes these teams work overtime because like right now
• 34:19
  they're in Phoenix. Well, where are they going after
• 34:21
  Phoenix? They're going to Vegas.
• 34:23
  Or were they going? And you see what it starts
• 34:25
  piling up and they got to have these cars ready to go because
• 34:30
  they don't want to go to Phoenix this week.
• 34:33
  Then they don't want to take the tractor trailers income all the
• 34:37
  way back across the United States.
• 34:38
  So I'm just giving you a, a scenario how they probably just
• 34:44
  didn't have time, but it's getting to where, hey, you know,
• 34:47
  they might FaceTime NASCAR. That's what I thought.
• 34:52
  Maybe they're going to have to FaceTime them and go look, it's
• 34:55
  5O clock at night. We're trying to bolt this damn
• 34:57
  spoiler on so we can get out to Vegas.
• 35:01
  So that is a scenario Charlie and and that's what happened.
• 35:06
  Yeah. So, you know, it's funny you
• 35:08
  said that when you said call NASCAR, that's the first thing I
• 35:11
  thought of. Now, again, we know sometimes
• 35:13
  these teams, they really are trying to get an edge, right?
• 35:17
  And they're they are trying to do some tweaks and try to see if
• 35:20
  nobody can catch them. But I'm thinking with, with the
• 35:23
  way NASCAR police's this, if if you're working on that car and
• 35:28
  there's anything that is even you're even 1% wondering if
• 35:33
  you're doing it wrong. Don't you have to, you said
• 35:35
  FaceTime. Don't you have to at least take
• 35:37
  a video while you're doing it to potentially show them, hey,
• 35:41
  here's why we did this because we were trying to bolt it on.
• 35:44
  We're just trying to do. But like I feel like you would
• 35:47
  at the minimum have to do that to cover yourself.
• 35:50
  If if there's anything that is not basically just strictly by
• 35:54
  the book, I feel like you would have to let them know at this
• 35:57
  point. I agree with you.
• 35:59
  Great idea. Yeah, because because I mean,
• 36:04
  there are still going to be people trying to gain an edge
• 36:06
  just like you said. The boy, you mess with that car
• 36:10
  one ounce because NASCAR makes every single piece.
• 36:15
  They make everything. And if they don't build the
• 36:18
  motor, but they might as well because they will bring it back
• 36:21
  to the chassis Dino, they can make you tear the motor down and
• 36:25
  they can measure everything inside that motor.
• 36:30
  OK, moving forward, Charlie, I want to talk just a little bit
• 36:33
  about this penalty. How big of a deal this is so
• 36:37
  chase Brusco was like basically like dead last like faster than
• 36:42
  last because it it came out of Daytona negative.
• 36:49
  So like he just, he, he was fined 100 points, but also he he
• 36:55
  was docked the ten playoff points, right?
• 36:59
  So you get the points for finishing.
• 37:01
  I think, I think he finished fourth or fifth, something like
• 37:06
  that. Six maybe Chase Brisco, I think
• 37:09
  he was sixth in the Daytona 500, whatever.
• 37:11
  So you get those points, right? You get those points.
• 37:15
  The NASCAR says, no, we're going to take those points away from
• 37:19
  you finishing sixth, but they're separate points.
• 37:24
  He he also received ten playoff points through the stage racing
• 37:29
  at Daytona. So he literally got 110 points
• 37:35
  added back on. So I'm going to exaggerate here,
• 37:39
  but he went from 40th in the points like the 5th.
• 37:43
  I'm exaggerating, but it's it's that scenario, you know, and
• 37:49
  listen to this. They find them $100,000 and as
• 37:56
  we all say, oh, that's no money, but that's a lot of money.
• 38:01
  And you know, and not and not just that, but the crew chief
• 38:08
  was going to be suspended for races.
• 38:11
  So you get 110 points back, you get your $100,000 back, and now
• 38:19
  you get your crew chief back. This was a massive appeal win.
• 38:26
  This was bigger than big, and that's why you and I decided to
• 38:30
  break it down a little bit. All right, so continuing with
• 38:35
  the the penalty drama, same day, always drama.
• 38:39
  We love the drama, but Austin Sindrich, so he is penalized.
• 38:43
  But I think, I think the big talk and the big controversy was
• 38:46
  why he wasn't suspended for a race.
• 38:50
  And NASCAR came out and, and the other races that they were
• 38:53
  comparing it to was Bubba Wallace on Kyle Larson, 2022
• 38:57
  Vegas and Chase Elliott on Denny Hamlin 2023 at Charlotte.
• 39:04
  And I, I think, I think what's, what's bothered some people is
• 39:09
  NASCAR is saying, look, we're going to look at every single
• 39:11
  one of these instances kind of uniquely, right?
• 39:16
  And, and I'll find the quote, but NASCAR basically said
• 39:19
  because it's a road course, because what, there was no
• 39:22
  caution and, and because the, the, the speeds are lower on a
• 39:28
  road course, essentially. I can give you the whole quote,
• 39:31
  but that's essentially I'm paraphrasing what they said.
• 39:33
  That's why it was different than the Bubba Wallace deal.
• 39:36
  That's why it was different than the Chase Elliott deal in their
• 39:39
  mind. And that's why Austin Syndrich
• 39:42
  was not suspended for a race. So I like what you said there
• 39:46
  and I'm even going to go with you.
• 39:49
  It's kind of like you remember a while there and we're still in
• 39:53
  it. Remember when when we said, you
• 39:55
  know, NASCAR's having a consistency issue when to throw
• 40:00
  the caution flag? Well, what calmed everybody down
• 40:06
  was that Atlanta finish where the wreck happened like it's 6th
• 40:11
  or 7th spot and. If you don't throw the caution
• 40:17
  and freeze the field, you're telling everybody from 7th on
• 40:21
  back to take a chance at killing themselves, race through the
• 40:26
  wreck. So we all were saying let him
• 40:29
  race back to the checkered flag. Hold on, everybody.
• 40:34
  This wasn't date. I mean it.
• 40:35
  It's kind of like Daytona, Talladega.
• 40:37
  But cooler heads prevailed. And then Denny Hamlin goes on
• 40:41
  actions detrimental and he agrees with NASCAR.
• 40:44
  He says you got to throw the caution because there's a guy
• 40:48
  running 20th. He's got to let off the gas.
• 40:50
  He can't race through this wreck.
• 40:52
  So I'm I'm agreeing with you, it is sad to say, but these are not
• 40:58
  balling strikes. This is not balling strikes.
• 41:02
  This is not baseball. It this, these are calls, these
• 41:09
  are human calls. So I want to say one more thing.
• 41:15
  We we watched that race and I watched the video.
• 41:19
  It's very clear you can go on Google right now and go Austin
• 41:27
  Sendrick wrecking Ty Dillon at Circuit of the America NASCAR
• 41:33
  race and boom, it comes right up.
• 41:37
  Here's what I saw happen. I saw Austin Sendrick kind of on
• 41:44
  the outside a little bit like left front, maybe up to the
• 41:48
  door, maybe in a blind spot of Ty Dillon.
• 41:52
  It is a my opinion that Ty doesn't know he's out there.
• 41:55
  Here's why I say that. Ty goes out and then at the last
• 42:00
  minute, Ty, you can see Ty go, Oh no.
• 42:03
  And he turns the left to like, like, oh, it, it, it's sign
• 42:08
  language, right? It's like you see Ty Dillon go,
• 42:11
  oh, no. And Ty Dillon turns left.
• 42:15
  And then you see Austin so mad he chases them halfway across
• 42:20
  the racetrack. And I mean, just he didn't spin
• 42:24
  him out. It's what we call hooks him.
• 42:26
  He hooked him. He took his left front and
• 42:30
  running into Ty's right rear in front of the field on the front
• 42:35
  straightaway. And it was, it was pretty ugly,
• 42:39
  but so you want to announce what the fine was?
• 42:45
  OK, so. I think it was, what, $50,000?
• 42:47
  I'll find it right here. So yes, here we go.
• 42:52
  Cindric loses 50 driver points. Fine.
• 42:55
  That's big. Yeah, fine, $50,000.
• 42:59
  And and you mentioned earlier about Briscoe.
• 43:01
  You know, Briscoe joked about it on Twitter.
• 43:03
  He said it's my best points day. I'll check that too.
• 43:08
  I think he went from 40th to maybe like 15th.
• 43:10
  But here's look at this because Cindric's been running well,
• 43:13
  obviously, especially on the superspeedways.
• 43:15
  Cindric drops with the 50 driver points.
• 43:19
  He drops from 11th to 35th. Holy crap, that's insane.
• 43:25
  That's bad. And and the other thing I found
• 43:29
  interesting is Dean Penske and Austin, they decide not to
• 43:34
  appeal it because Rodgers a no bullshit guy.
• 43:39
  Sorry for saying that. Hopefully I get away with that.
• 43:42
  It's all good. Rodger Penske has always been
• 43:47
  straight up, you know, we've said it before, Rodger Penske
• 43:50
  does not cheat. However his team might, you
• 43:53
  know, so I'm sure, I'm sure the manager of Penske Racing went to
• 43:57
  Austin and said, did you do this on purpose?
• 44:01
  And Austin probably said Yep, So they did not appeal it.
• 44:05
  So I got cottonmouth. I think that's it, everybody.
• 44:10
  I love it. No, it's, it is crazy though,
• 44:12
  that Briscoe, you're thinking Briscoe has has to win a race
• 44:18
  right before he gets his, his points back And, and, and you
• 44:20
  know what with Joe Gibbs Racing, Chase Briscoe probably should
• 44:24
  win a race. And then Austin Sidrick now, who
• 44:27
  was running really well and he's a he's a great superspeedway
• 44:30
  guy. But now that he's 35th, Kenny,
• 44:32
  don't you think Austin Sindrick probably has to win one of these
• 44:36
  super? I mean, what else is left?
• 44:38
  I'm thinking he obviously won here in Saint Louis, but that
• 44:40
  was kind of a a flukish win because what, Ryan Blaney ran
• 44:44
  out of gas, but Sindrick's going to have to win now.
• 44:48
  Yeah, Speaking of fluke, I, I know we're going to put this up
• 44:52
  on YouTube and it's going to be, you know, living up here on
• 44:56
  YouTube. It is Friday night everybody and
• 45:00
  it is March 7th and the ARCA engines are being fired in 5
• 45:06
  minutes. Talk about a fluke, Charlie.
• 45:08
  It rained and the weather was horrible in Phoenix, AZ on March
• 45:13
  7th, but they are getting ready to fire up on Fox Sports 1 and
• 45:19
  it ARCA, I don't think they had any practice.
• 45:23
  I don't think he had anything and they're lined up by points,
• 45:28
  so that is going to be interesting.
• 45:31
  All right, you want to call it then now so people can go watch
• 45:34
  the race. We're good.
• 45:35
  We're right at 45 minutes and we've we've covered 4 big
• 45:38
  stories. What's your headline going to be
• 45:42
  on this Charlie? Well, I already I made a
• 45:44
  headline for the live and I put I put NASCAR counter shoes 2311
• 45:49
  and FRM and then and is the NASCAR Mexico race in jeopardy?
• 45:56
  Yeah, Yep, I have two words. NASCAR drama there.
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  You go simplify it for sure. What?
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  Charlie, I know you were with your children.
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  You're a good dad. I know you were at basketball or
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  wherever it was and. Taekwondo Kai Kai.
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  Was it? Was it called?
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  Taekwondo. Taekwondo, Mudi Kwan, US Wallace
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  brothers. We took that.
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  I'm going to get in a hot tub with my wife.
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  So All right. Thank you, Charlie.
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  Thank you, Herm. Thank you everybody for
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  and we will see you later this weekend and we'll have all the
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  breakdown from Phoenix as well. All right.
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  See you guys.