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POTB 573: What we learned from IU basketball's trip to Peru with Brian Tonsoni · Podcast on the Brink

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to a new episode of Podcasts on the Brink,
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Speaker 1: closing out the month of July with our good friend,
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Speaker 1: the Coach, Brian ton Sony.
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Speaker 2: You know him from the Assembly Call also del Phi Bracketology.
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Speaker 2: Before we get to Coach, just wanted to take a
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Speaker 2: Appreciate everyone who checks us out anywhere, So thanks again. Coach,
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Speaker 2: welcome back to the show. Congratulations first off on your retirement.
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Speaker 2: I know you got to enjoy some golf this morning.
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Speaker 2: I know you got some different travel coming up. What's
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Speaker 2: it been like so far being retired. I know you
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Speaker 2: told me before I hit record here that some of
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Speaker 2: your colleagues from the past will have to be heading
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Speaker 2: back to school next week, so you'll be not heading
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Speaker 2: back to school you'll be listening to podcasts, reading, enjoying
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Speaker 2: your day. So that's got to be a nice feeling
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Speaker 2: for you.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for having me.
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Speaker 4: Always always enjoyable being on the podcast with you.
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Speaker 3: And retirement's been great.
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Speaker 4: Not having a schedule and not having the stress of
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Speaker 4: even thinking about a schedule coming up as school returns
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Speaker 4: has been the biggest blessing. My golf game's getting a
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Speaker 4: little bit better, but bogey seem to be the word
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Speaker 4: for my scorecard most times. And it's just fun to
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Speaker 4: be able to plan things and do things when you
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Speaker 4: want to and not just on the weekends or in
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Speaker 4: the evenings. And you know, thirty two years in education.
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Speaker 4: My wife retired, she had thirty six years in education.
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Speaker 4: We feel very good about that. We're gonna miss a
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Speaker 4: lot of aspects of that, but we're also looking forward
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Speaker 4: to the new things. And Alex, now I'm kind of
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Speaker 4: using bad words when I mess up a crossword puzzle,
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Speaker 4: so I'm definitely in the older generation now where I
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Speaker 4: used to just coach and yell at kids, now it's
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Speaker 4: at the crossword puzzle.
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Speaker 2: So one thing I did want to ask you about
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Speaker 2: with the retirement, and we've talked about this maybe in
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Speaker 2: the past when I've had you on to talk bracketology.
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Speaker 2: How does that change things for del Fi bracketology because
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Speaker 2: I know that's something we've enjoyed all of us that
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Speaker 2: cover college basketball now for a long time. What's your
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Speaker 2: involvement going to look like moving forward with that and
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Speaker 2: will that continue on with somebody else the helm. Are
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Speaker 2: you still going to kind of manage that, you know,
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Speaker 2: even though you're not going to be in the school
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Speaker 2: every day.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for the kind words about bracketology. It's been
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Speaker 4: awesome for what ten to eleven years. I'm going to
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Speaker 4: work remote and do a lot of the stuff that
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Speaker 4: I did when I was teaching, but do it from home.
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Speaker 4: The leadership at school is going to take on a
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Speaker 4: new look with a new gentleman taking over that. Those
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Speaker 4: are the two guys, the faculty members who I golfed
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Speaker 4: with today, So we had some conversations about how that's
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Speaker 4: going to look. And I live thirty seconds from the school,
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Speaker 4: so when they have a meeting or a call out,
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Speaker 4: I'm likely to go back in and it'll be very
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Speaker 4: very similar. We have some website issues we need to
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Speaker 4: take care of here to get our website up and
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Speaker 4: running for the basketball season. But it'll continue in the
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Speaker 4: same fashion that it has in the past. The only
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Speaker 4: change would be the leadership at school as opposed to
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Speaker 4: a new person there instead of me.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and hopefully your new schedule, maybe we'll give you
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Speaker 2: a little bit more flexibility to get to some more games.
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Speaker 2: I know you did that the last couple of years.
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Speaker 2: You know, I saw your time and time at IU games.
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Speaker 2: I know you got to Purdue. They were always accommodating.
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Speaker 2: I believe Illinois I think was another one you maybe
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Speaker 2: went to. So so now you don't have to worry
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Speaker 2: about those early wake up calls. Maybe the next day
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Speaker 2: after a school day, maybe you can get to a
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Speaker 2: couple more venues.
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Speaker 4: Who knows exactly. It's it's been great, Alex, the welcome
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Speaker 4: that we've had Butler also in Notre Dame, those schools,
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Speaker 4: but we've also traveled up to We've traveled to Iowa,
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Speaker 4: Ohio state. Different guys and students have been able to go.
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Speaker 4: So it's really been incredible, the you know, the recognition
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Speaker 4: we get and yeah, now I can I don't have
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Speaker 4: to worry drive real fast after school to get somewhere
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Speaker 4: in two hours. I can go and have a nice
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Speaker 4: dinner and and then go to the game. So that's
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Speaker 4: that's definitely a benefit of retirement.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's gonna be awesome to see congratulations once again.
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Speaker 2: I know he's happy for you, and it's going to
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Speaker 2: be just a kind of an awesome next chapter. I
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Speaker 2: know you'll probably be down there for some IU football games. Well,
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Speaker 2: so that'll be fun too, fun for.
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Speaker 3: You to be able to do that.
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Speaker 2: Wanted to have you on because I know you guys
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Speaker 2: over at the assembly call did some postgame shows from
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Speaker 2: the streaming that we got from the games down in Lima, Peru.
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Speaker 2: Those were touch and go depending on which game you
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Speaker 2: tuned in for. To I use credit, they did have
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Speaker 2: their own stream I think for a couple of the
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Speaker 2: final games, which was easier for me at least to
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Speaker 2: watch than the FISU provided stream. But the fact that
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Speaker 2: we even got to watch these games, you know, I
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Speaker 2: can think back to the first time I went on
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Speaker 2: one of these trips was Montreal back in twenty fourteen,
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Speaker 2: and I you played I think it was five games
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Speaker 2: in six days. There was streaming for maybe one of
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Speaker 2: those games at that time, so people really couldn't see
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Speaker 2: the games then they went to I believe the Bahamas
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Speaker 2: another time there was no streaming for that, and then
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Speaker 2: Puerto Rico last year there was no streaming. So the
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Speaker 2: fact that we got streaming I think was a big
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Speaker 2: plus for a lot of people. You know, obviously it's
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Speaker 2: not the same production quality of a Big ten broadcast,
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Speaker 2: but the fact that we were able to see some
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Speaker 2: of these games. We also got the bonus of having
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Speaker 2: the exhibition game a couple of weeks ago in Assembly
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Speaker 2: Hall for those who were able to go.
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Speaker 5: And watch that. But I wanted to have you on.
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Speaker 2: I want to preface this whole conversation by saying anything
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Speaker 2: we talk about here is kind of you know, I
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Speaker 2: don't want to say invalid, but you know, the competition
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Speaker 2: level that Indiana played down there was not what they expected.
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Speaker 2: I don't think going in If you listened to Darren
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Speaker 2: de Reese's press conference, it was you know, the fifteenth,
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Speaker 2: I think was the night they had that exhibition game
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Speaker 2: in Assembly Hall, and he talked about, you know, Baylor
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Speaker 2: going to the FISU event last year, and that was
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Speaker 2: the World University Games, which is a little bit different.
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Speaker 2: It was over in Germany. There was more teams involved
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Speaker 2: Baylor actually lost in that event, and so I think
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Speaker 2: Indiana kind of went into this with the idea of
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Speaker 2: there's a chance that we're going to play a team
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Speaker 2: that can knock us off. Well, they got down there
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Speaker 2: and the schedule changed, there was actually less teams and
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Speaker 2: I think than they expected to be down there. The
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Speaker 2: competition level, as we quickly saw, was not to the
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Speaker 2: to the level as I mentioned earlier than Indian thought.
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Speaker 2: But I still think there's some things worth discussing that
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Speaker 2: we were able to see. And I had the benefit
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Speaker 2: of going to three open practices as well this summer,
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Speaker 2: so I kind of got a chance to see Indiana
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Speaker 2: in a lot of different situations the exhibition game as well.
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Speaker 2: But I wanted to just get your thoughts big picture.
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Speaker 2: You obviously watched this team as closely as anybody last season.
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Speaker 2: You know, you watch all the games, you talk about them.
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Speaker 2: The postgame shows what in your mind have you learned
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Speaker 2: maybe so far about this team and how it's going
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Speaker 2: to look different than last year based on you know,
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Speaker 2: what we've seen this month.
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Speaker 4: I think the talent level is just so much better
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Speaker 4: than it was last year, and you know, credit to
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Speaker 4: making the change from year one. You know, in watching
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Speaker 4: last year, I was a big believer in coach davriez scheme,
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Speaker 4: but I don't know that they had all the players
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Speaker 4: one through nine, one through ten, whoever's in the rotation
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Speaker 4: of executing that on a nightly basis. And you know,
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Speaker 4: Wilkerson and Tucker Devrez did a really nice job of
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Speaker 4: shooting the basketball, but Indiana was basically one dimensional. If
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Speaker 4: they were able to get shots and hit shots, they
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Speaker 4: were going to be competitive. But the point guard play
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Speaker 4: what was not a scoring you know position necessarily, and
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Speaker 4: he had some drop off there late in the year
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Speaker 4: with Conorway and the post game alexis, I like his game,
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Speaker 4: but he's a backup post player, right, And you really didn't.
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Speaker 4: They were just guarding them one on one. There was
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Speaker 4: no force to double team or anything. So the takeaway
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Speaker 4: with all the caveats about competition and everything, is the
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Speaker 4: talent is better. There are ability to score. Eight players
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Speaker 4: at least and Igatulo Igatolo I haven't seen yet. And
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Speaker 4: Sicily can score, but I think he's just more of
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Speaker 4: a glue guy. But eight guys with great offensive ability
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Speaker 4: in three different ways. Alex, you can post people, you
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Speaker 4: can shoot the three, and you can drive the lane
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Speaker 4: with multiple players three levels, and so you know, I
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Speaker 4: can't sit here today and tell you it's good enough
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Speaker 4: to you know, win to Big ten or go to
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Speaker 4: the Sweet sixteen. But it is a lot different because
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Speaker 4: of the scoring at three different levels. Really puts pressure
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Speaker 4: on a defense and a coach in preparing for Indiana.
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Speaker 4: And I think you're a lot deeper in the ability
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Speaker 4: to score the basketball instead of just two or three guys.
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Speaker 2: Obviously, the guy that most people I think have been
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Speaker 2: talking about are excited about Aiden Cherrell coming over from Alabama.
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Speaker 2: Obviously he was kind of the prize going back to
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Speaker 2: the spring. Marcus Burton to an extent too, but I
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Speaker 2: think most people were excited about Aiden Sharrell. And I
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Speaker 2: asked of Reiz actually about this in the last press conference,
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Speaker 2: because you know, I talked to a friend who covered
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Speaker 2: a team that played Alabama last year in the NCAA Tournament,
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Speaker 2: and he was watching one of the streams from down
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Speaker 2: in Peru and he asked me who's number twenty two,
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Speaker 2: And I was like, that's Aiden Cherrell. He's like, I
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Speaker 2: hardly didn't recognize him because he looked different from how
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Speaker 2: he looked last year when he's played at Alabama. You know,
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Speaker 2: I asked iv Reeze about that. He talked about just
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Speaker 2: how much better shape he's in. He seems to be
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Speaker 2: moving a lot better. What have been your impression so
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Speaker 2: far of him? Just watching him playing the four? I
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Speaker 2: think is going to be an adjustment a little bit.
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Speaker 2: He did play that position in high school. I think
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Speaker 2: part of the reason that he wanted to come to
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Speaker 2: Indiana is because he was going to have that opportunity, though,
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Speaker 2: to play the four. He can step out shoot the
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Speaker 2: three ball a little bit. But he didn't play a
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Speaker 2: ton of minutes down in Peru, but he still had
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Speaker 2: really good numbers. I think shot better than sixty percent
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Speaker 2: from the field. He could have probably had thirty five
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Speaker 2: points and twenty five rebounds every game if he would
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Speaker 2: have played his hardest and played every game. But he's
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Speaker 2: really impressed me so far with just how solid he's
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Speaker 2: looked overall. I mean, he's obviously in much better shape.
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Speaker 2: He's in former McDonald's All American. He got better from
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Speaker 2: this freshman to sophomore year. So now you kind of
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Speaker 2: project forward if he's in better shape, he's in a
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Speaker 2: situation where obviously he's a little bit more comfortable with
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Speaker 2: the role he's going to have. I think he's a
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Speaker 2: guy that you look at and say, right now, he's
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Speaker 2: Indiana's best player, at least entering the fall.
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Speaker 3: I think you're right on that.
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Speaker 4: I think he's number one on the scouting report, and
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Speaker 4: if not one, he's one B. You know, with Marcus
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Speaker 4: Burton being one, A who's going to have the ball
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Speaker 4: in his hands and coming off ball screen, So you're
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Speaker 4: going to have to have a way to guard those
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Speaker 4: two when you put him in actions right, So what
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Speaker 4: you saw was the ability to hit the three. You
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Speaker 4: saw the short roll off a pick and roll where
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Speaker 4: he was able to shoot a twelve fifteen footer, but
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Speaker 4: he also put it on the deck and got to
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Speaker 4: the rim from that kind of action, and then you
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Speaker 4: could post up so offensively, you know, I talked about
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Speaker 4: three levels. Aiden Cherrelle is going to be the best
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Speaker 4: player because you know, you guard him smaller with the
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Speaker 4: small person, he's gonna post you up if you if
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Speaker 4: you have a big, he can come out and stretch
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Speaker 4: the floor and that I really enjoy watching college basketball
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Speaker 4: with the stretch four. I just think that's modern basketball.
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Speaker 4: And the ability to shoot the three, and coach DeVries
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Speaker 4: has always given confidence to shooters, and so you saw
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Speaker 4: that in these games in Peru that you know, they
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Speaker 4: weren't passing up shots. The first game, I think they
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Speaker 4: missed some, and then they had a couple of games
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Speaker 4: where they were shot at pretty good percentage. But the
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Speaker 4: thing that's good about him too is his ability to
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Speaker 4: protect the rim as rim protection. And then you know,
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Speaker 4: Coach Devrees talked in the last press conference about offensive
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Speaker 4: rebounding but also defensive rebounding. I thought that was a
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Speaker 4: problem last year all in all for Indiana because of
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Speaker 4: its size and athleticism, and it seems like, you know
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Speaker 4: what I saw in Peru, Cherrell has the ability to
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Speaker 4: really help offensively and defensively for this Indiana Hoosier squad.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and seeing him up close, he's just a gigantic
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Speaker 2: human being. But the crazy part is when he stands
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Speaker 2: next to Cemet Ikatoglu, he looks small because he's a
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Speaker 2: legit seven foot two. We didn't see him obviously down
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Speaker 2: and prove he played in the exhibition game at Assembly
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Speaker 2: Hall wasn't the best night for him.
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Speaker 5: He played just okay.
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Speaker 2: I thought I saw him in the three open practices,
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Speaker 2: seems to move pretty well for a player of his size.
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to say he's, you know, a super
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Speaker 2: athlete or overly agile, but for you know, you see
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Speaker 2: a lot of guys who are that big and they
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Speaker 2: don't move and don't seem like they can play a
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Speaker 2: ton of minutes. You know, you look at the minutes
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Speaker 2: he played last year at SMU, and he played a
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Speaker 2: healthy amount of minutes. I think foul trouble is you know,
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Speaker 2: a question mark for him. But how do you see
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Speaker 2: that combo working together next season? The two of those
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Speaker 2: guys on the court together, It's obviously gonna be a
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Speaker 2: lot different than what we saw last season with having
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Speaker 2: a four man and and Tucker tove Reeze is obviously
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Speaker 2: not a not a post up player, not a guy
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Speaker 2: that is going to give you much in terms of
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Speaker 2: inside rim protection. Is there any concern from your side
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Speaker 2: of things on how that fits together?
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Speaker 4: I think for me, being a defensive minded is how
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Speaker 4: are you going to guard quicker fours? But the league
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Speaker 4: has been big. I mean Michigan with its monster bigs
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Speaker 4: one won the national championship. Illinois often plays two bigs,
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Speaker 4: including a big that can shoot the three. So I
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Speaker 4: think I think coach de Freeze will find a way
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Speaker 4: to make it happen. And really you have Cherrell who
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Speaker 4: will play that stretch forward and be in ball screens
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Speaker 4: quite a bit, and you'll have Igatolo in a dunker
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Speaker 4: spot or to post up. And what I think is
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Speaker 4: really going to be interesting to see is you post
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Speaker 4: up Igatolo. Are you just gonna play one on one
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Speaker 4: or do you have to send someone right to help?
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Speaker 3: Right?
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Speaker 4: And if he is a weapon in there, now you
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Speaker 4: have to send somebody right. It's the same as are
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Speaker 4: you going to trap Burton off the ball pick and roll?
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Speaker 4: Are you going to play drop coverage? If you're gonna
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Speaker 4: play drop coverage, now you have a four who can
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Speaker 4: pick and pop. So I do think that you have
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Speaker 4: seen in college basketball multiple bigs be successful and they're
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Speaker 4: not just low post and flash of the high posts
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Speaker 4: like the old days. In a two post situation, you
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Speaker 4: generally have that four that can step out and do
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Speaker 4: some things. And I think that's the way that it'll
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Speaker 4: fit together on the offensive side. On the defensive side,
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Speaker 4: you have two big guys you can just throw the
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Speaker 4: ball up against the glass and block stuff and go rebound,
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Speaker 4: which again helps you win basketball games that Indiana did
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Speaker 4: not have on its roster last year.
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Speaker 2: I think one of the things that people came out
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Speaker 2: of this trip most excited about was just to play
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Speaker 2: the freshman. And again this is all caveated by the
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Speaker 2: fact that this was inferior competition. You know, nobody's saying
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Speaker 2: that Von it's Carvello. By the way, I don't know
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Speaker 2: how people have been pronouncing it.
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Speaker 3: I've heard it.
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Speaker 2: I heard it going into like the spring as Carvalla,
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Speaker 2: but checked with some people close to the program and
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Speaker 2: being at the open practices, it's actually Von Carvila. So
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Speaker 2: he played well down there. Trevor Manhurts actually also played
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Speaker 2: really well. Prince Alexander Moody. Out of those three players,
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Speaker 2: anything stand out in terms of what you saw from
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Speaker 2: those three and how they can help next season. In
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Speaker 2: my mind, this is just me speaking my opinion from
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Speaker 2: seeing kind of open practices, Moody to me, looks the
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Speaker 2: most ready to make an impact. I don't read too
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Speaker 2: much into the numbers that you know, the carvel had
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Speaker 2: a thirty two point game down there. Man Hurts made
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Speaker 2: some threes, you know, I look at the level of competition.
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Speaker 2: I think both of those guys long term are guys
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Speaker 2: that you look at and say, we need to retain
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Speaker 2: these guys and develop them and by the time they're sophomores, juniors,
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Speaker 2: hopefully seniors, they're guys that are really helping your program.
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Speaker 2: But going into next season, I look at Moody and say,
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Speaker 2: he's the guy that might be the most ready to
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Speaker 2: plug him play of the three.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think overall, the freshman is the ability to
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Speaker 4: score the basketball. You know, and again we've talked about
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Speaker 4: the competition level, but they're not shy. When the ball
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Speaker 4: is open, they shoot, and I think that's the freshman.
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Speaker 4: I also think that's coach Devrees is bringing that attitude
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Speaker 4: that we haven't seen in a long time at Indiana.
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Speaker 4: They have offensive ability. Carvila, did I say that right?
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Speaker 4: Is that how you pronounce Carverla? I loved his tenacity,
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Speaker 4: just playing hard, and then I agree with you. I
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Speaker 4: think the most ready is Prince Alexander Moody. And some
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Speaker 4: people say, well, he didn't score as much, but physically
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Speaker 4: and the fact that he can handle the ball, and
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Speaker 4: that's you know, lindsay, point guard Burton Will be the
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Speaker 4: first point guard, Lindsay will handle at second, and then
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Speaker 4: you can bring in Prince Alexander Moody and he's got
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Speaker 4: all three of those guys can handle the basketball in
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Speaker 4: pick and roll and score at the rim and shoot
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Speaker 4: the three. So you now have three point guards that
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Speaker 4: can really play well offensively, which is going to you know,
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Speaker 4: be good for tired files or whatever. But Prince Alexander
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Speaker 4: Moody seems the most physically fit, and I think the
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Speaker 4: key alex for the freshman is going to be one physicality.
18:13
Speaker 4: They got to work on their bodies and when does
18:15
Speaker 4: the coaching staff feel that they are strong enough to
18:18
Speaker 4: handle the riggers of the Big Ten. But it's also
18:20
Speaker 4: going to come down to something that we all don't
18:22
Speaker 4: talk about a lot, as defense. I thought if there
18:25
Speaker 4: was one thing that I saw in the games that
18:27
Speaker 4: I saw was they were fighting really hard to guard
18:30
Speaker 4: the bounce against the quick twitch athletes, especially the virgin Islands.
18:33
Speaker 4: And you just know that there's a lot of athletes
18:36
Speaker 4: like that on the schedule too, and especially the freshmen.
18:40
Speaker 4: Now it was cleaned up by the bigs, and I
18:43
Speaker 4: thought they got better as the four games went on.
18:45
Speaker 4: You saw coach DeFries put on a full court press,
18:48
Speaker 4: and after halftime a one game they picked up their
18:51
Speaker 4: intensity defensively. But you saw it with Trent Sisley last year.
18:55
Speaker 4: He played because there were some injuries and stuff, but
18:58
Speaker 4: then you know, it seemed like he was lost a
19:01
Speaker 4: little bit or struggled little bit on the defensive end
19:03
Speaker 4: and he fell out of the rotation. Well, Carvela and
19:06
Speaker 4: Manhurtz looked great offensively, and that's gonna be a benefit
19:10
Speaker 4: down the road. Once they pick up the defensive ideals
19:14
Speaker 4: and understand how to guard at this next level, then
19:17
Speaker 4: they'll start getting meaningful minutes next season.
19:20
Speaker 2: I think you bring up a really good point about Burton,
19:23
Speaker 2: Lindsay and Moody as a trio, what they provide as
19:27
Speaker 2: a threat offensively. And again this is no knock on
19:29
Speaker 2: Connor in right, because I thought last season he did
19:31
Speaker 2: an admiral job of doing what he was asked to do.
19:34
Speaker 2: He was kind of put in an impossible situation really,
19:37
Speaker 2: because I think if you asked anyone before last season,
19:43
Speaker 2: is in right gonna be a guy that's playing thirty
19:45
Speaker 2: thirty five minutes in some games and being your starter
19:48
Speaker 2: at point guard, you probably would have said no, But
19:49
Speaker 2: with what happened with Connorway kind of falling out of favor,
19:53
Speaker 2: Enwright was kind of thrust into that role. They didn't
19:55
Speaker 2: really have any other choice, and he played the role
19:58
Speaker 2: that he was asked to play, but he wasn't an
19:59
Speaker 2: offensive threats. So having three guys on the court that
20:03
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that any I mean, I think Bryce
20:05
Speaker 2: Lindsay can go out and Burton can go out and
20:07
Speaker 2: get you twenty or twenty five on a given I mean,
20:09
Speaker 2: Bryce Lindsay just did it in the NCAA Tournament. He
20:11
Speaker 2: made six to three pointers in his last game at Villanova.
20:14
Speaker 2: He's a proven guy, Moody, I don't necessarily think he's
20:17
Speaker 2: gonna be someone you look at and say he's gonna
20:19
Speaker 2: maybe go off and have a huge offensive night. But
20:21
Speaker 2: I think he can go score is particularly from the
20:23
Speaker 2: mid range, and also he's strong enough if he does
20:26
Speaker 2: get into the lane he can score at the rim.
20:29
Speaker 2: But I think offensively, Indiana's going to be a lot
20:34
Speaker 2: more versatile in terms of the ways they can score
20:37
Speaker 2: as a team because they're not gonna be so dependent
20:39
Speaker 2: on the three pointer. Would you agree with that? Is
20:41
Speaker 2: there anything we're kind of overlooking this in terms of
20:44
Speaker 2: what they potentially lost with obviously with Lamar Wilkerson in
20:47
Speaker 2: the three pointers, and I think some other guys. I
20:50
Speaker 2: don't think they're going to be the same from a
20:52
Speaker 2: volume makes and taking and making as many threes next season,
20:57
Speaker 2: but I think the ways that they can score maybe
21:01
Speaker 2: going to be a little bit more balanced next season,
21:04
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit less prone to those kind of
21:06
Speaker 2: long offensive drafts that we saw at times when shots
21:08
Speaker 2: just simply weren't falling from the perimeter.
21:11
Speaker 4: Yeah, not only different methods of scoring, but also different personnel.
21:16
Speaker 4: We haven't talked about Darren Harris. He didn't score in
21:19
Speaker 4: the first Virgin Island games, then he came back and
21:21
Speaker 4: ahead of what seventeen point game and hit you know,
21:23
Speaker 4: four or five threes. Indiana is going to be a
21:26
Speaker 4: little more difficult to scout a little more difficult to
21:30
Speaker 4: defend because you have multiple people who can score the basketball,
21:35
Speaker 4: and so you know there can be you know, someone
21:38
Speaker 4: one day score twenty and the next. Marcus Burton didn't
21:42
Speaker 4: score an awful lot and was one of the better
21:43
Speaker 4: scorers at Order Dame in the ACC and I wonder
21:46
Speaker 4: if coach Devretese talked to him about, hey, just get
21:48
Speaker 4: this offense going right now. We know you can score.
21:50
Speaker 4: We can come to you with our sets or our actions,
21:53
Speaker 4: or put the ball in your hands for a big
21:55
Speaker 4: shot when it needs to. You don't need to score
21:57
Speaker 4: right now, but we know he can score. He can score.
22:01
Speaker 4: We haven't seen it on the court with Harris yet,
22:03
Speaker 4: but he was recruited by Duke and just he was
22:05
Speaker 4: overplayed by some guys that are in the NBA. So
22:10
Speaker 4: you know, yes, I think you're you're right. I think
22:12
Speaker 4: that's the most exciting thing that I have seen so
22:15
Speaker 4: far is multiple players, multiple ways of scoring the basketball.
22:19
Speaker 4: That gives coach his whole playbook right and instead of
22:24
Speaker 4: just a few and again you had to take away
22:26
Speaker 4: Wilkerson and Tucker Deries last year and then you went
22:30
Speaker 4: to battle with the others. Well, now you're not so
22:32
Speaker 4: sure when you're playing Indiana. You know, yes, there's gonna
22:35
Speaker 4: be one and two on the scattering report, but three, four,
22:37
Speaker 4: and five and six and maybe even seven can bite
22:40
Speaker 4: you on a given night.
22:42
Speaker 2: I still think the biggest question mark for me about
22:46
Speaker 2: this team, and we're not going to get answers to
22:48
Speaker 2: this until November when they start playing some regular season
22:54
Speaker 2: games against some pretty good teams, and they open November
22:56
Speaker 2: with some strong out of conference games and different opponents.
23:01
Speaker 2: I think that are gonna give them some tests. But
23:03
Speaker 2: the biggest question for me still is defensively, is this
23:08
Speaker 2: team gonna be good enough to make that move up
23:11
Speaker 2: to Big ten because last year they really fall off
23:14
Speaker 2: a cliff late in the season. Defensively, you look at
23:16
Speaker 2: some of the numbers in conference play just simply weren't
23:19
Speaker 2: good enough. Didn't There's too many games that are giving
23:22
Speaker 2: up you know, one point one, one point two points
23:24
Speaker 2: per possession. I mean that's great if you're scoring one
23:27
Speaker 2: point three, you know a game and you're hitting all
23:30
Speaker 2: these threes. But when you have those off nights where
23:32
Speaker 2: you can't make a bucket and you can't stop anybody,
23:33
Speaker 2: it's a recipe for disaster.
23:37
Speaker 5: I still want to.
23:38
Speaker 2: See defensively is this There's a couple things for me,
23:44
Speaker 2: and I'm curious to get your thoughts on if you
23:46
Speaker 2: think these are areas where they can be better. Defensive
23:49
Speaker 2: rebounding absolutely has to be better. I think on paper
23:53
Speaker 2: they have to be just based on having shrill and
23:56
Speaker 2: Egotobulu I mean, those are two really big guys, and
23:59
Speaker 2: you would think they be pretty solid at cleaning up
24:01
Speaker 2: the defensive glass. The other thing to me is can
24:04
Speaker 2: they force any turnovers and get any easy buckets in transition?
24:08
Speaker 2: Thinking back to last season, they they didn't Indiana. Everything
24:13
Speaker 2: that they got was just offensively was mainly three pointers
24:17
Speaker 2: and a lot of tough shots. I mean, Lamar Wilkerson,
24:20
Speaker 2: he could make tough shots, but he took a lot
24:22
Speaker 2: of tough shots. There wasn't ever a game where you know,
24:25
Speaker 2: they were putting pressure on guys defensively and getting themselves
24:29
Speaker 2: a ton of opportunities to get in transition and score.
24:31
Speaker 2: Do you think the defensive rebounding and do you think
24:35
Speaker 2: defensively they're going to be able to do more things
24:37
Speaker 2: to create some easy scoring opportunities? Are those areas you
24:42
Speaker 2: can see this team being better at.
24:45
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know that the bar was, you know,
24:48
Speaker 4: the set so low that they got to be better
24:50
Speaker 4: is part of the issue.
24:51
Speaker 3: But yeah, you have to rebound, you know.
24:55
Speaker 4: Bringing in someone like Mustaf Jayden Mustaff, his physicality stood
24:59
Speaker 4: out to me and and what I saw, and again
25:01
Speaker 4: that's not any stats or anything like that, but his
25:03
Speaker 4: ability to go get rebounds, his ability to drive the
25:06
Speaker 4: basketball on the offensive end. And then again I'll say
25:10
Speaker 4: that coach de Friese was happy with the emphasis on
25:12
Speaker 4: offensive rebounding towards the end of the Peru trip, So
25:16
Speaker 4: you know that it is a point of emphasis in
25:18
Speaker 4: the program right now. Is the rebound and when you
25:21
Speaker 4: bring in the bigs that Indiana did, there are going
25:24
Speaker 4: to be a better rebounding team. The question is, and
25:26
Speaker 4: I'm with you, is the defensive scheme, the ability to
25:28
Speaker 4: stop the bounce, the help and recover. I thought there
25:32
Speaker 4: were some communication issues early in some of those games.
25:35
Speaker 4: And when you're switching when you're not, and when you
25:37
Speaker 4: bring in six transfers and three freshmen and have just
25:40
Speaker 4: Trent Sisley and a few walk ons left, the defense
25:44
Speaker 4: is always going to be behind because everyone loves to
25:46
Speaker 4: play offense and pays attention to the offense, and you
25:48
Speaker 4: really put that stuff in first, so you know what
25:50
Speaker 4: you have and then you got to you build your defense.
25:54
Speaker 4: But I think if coach was given the honest or
25:57
Speaker 4: we were in the film room after the trip, I
26:00
Speaker 4: think he would say that the offense is way ahead
26:02
Speaker 4: of the defense right now, and so getting turnovers is important.
26:06
Speaker 4: I thought they did push the pace, but again, that's
26:09
Speaker 4: kind of hard to tell in in in the league
26:11
Speaker 4: like that in the week, if that's gonna play in
26:14
Speaker 4: the non conference opponents in the Big Ten. But the
26:18
Speaker 4: concern for me defensively is the guards are a little small, right,
26:21
Speaker 4: you know, and Burton and Lindsay, then how are you
26:23
Speaker 4: gonna compensate for that?
26:25
Speaker 3: Well, you got a couple of bigs, you know.
26:26
Speaker 4: That's a lot different than not being able to guard
26:29
Speaker 4: inside like Indiana wasn't last year. If I had to
26:33
Speaker 4: pick an area to be a little small or a
26:35
Speaker 4: little deficient, it might be size wise at the guard.
26:40
Speaker 4: But I think both Burton and Lindsay seemed to have
26:43
Speaker 4: some fight in him. You know, Burton played really well
26:47
Speaker 4: and and has good quick hands and has ways to
26:49
Speaker 4: compensate for for the lack of size.
26:53
Speaker 3: Yeah.
26:53
Speaker 2: They I just think athletically they're better across the board.
26:59
Speaker 2: I mean most off. We haven't talked about him. Darren
27:01
Speaker 2: Harris I think has some question marks defensively, but I
27:04
Speaker 2: think he's going to be a guy that you hope
27:06
Speaker 2: that he can make two or three threes reliably a
27:08
Speaker 2: game and have some games where maybe he can get
27:10
Speaker 2: hot and hit five or six, and that's going to
27:12
Speaker 2: be a huge boost offensively from what they lost from
27:16
Speaker 2: the three point line. But just the number of guys
27:19
Speaker 2: that they have, I think they're going to be able
27:21
Speaker 2: to help them on a given night is a big improvement.
27:23
Speaker 2: The last guy I wanted to talk about individually because
27:26
Speaker 2: he doesn't really stand out when you look at what
27:28
Speaker 2: he did down there from a statistical standpoint, But Trent
27:30
Speaker 2: Sisley looks more comfortable to me in terms of what
27:34
Speaker 2: his role is going to be. You mentioned him as
27:37
Speaker 2: a blue guy. I think that's actually a pretty accurate,
27:41
Speaker 2: you know, assessment of what he needs to embrace. He's
27:44
Speaker 2: not going to be a guy that you throw in
27:46
Speaker 2: the ball and say, hey, go get us, go score
27:48
Speaker 2: for us. He's not going to be a guy that
27:51
Speaker 2: is a leading scorer. But if he can one thing
27:54
Speaker 2: we didn't see down there really was a three point shot.
27:57
Speaker 2: I think he needs to prove that he can do
27:58
Speaker 2: that with some consistency. I think he shot twenty seven
28:00
Speaker 2: percent last year for three for the year. That's that's
28:03
Speaker 2: not where he wants to be. But I think, you know,
28:06
Speaker 2: rim running in transition a little bit he did a
28:09
Speaker 2: little bit of that. He always plays hard, but if
28:12
Speaker 2: he can get there defensively, which hopefully the year of
28:16
Speaker 2: experience and kind of you know, getting you know, I
28:21
Speaker 2: don't want to say a message was sent, but he
28:23
Speaker 2: didn't play late in the season, and I think the
28:25
Speaker 2: reason was is because they didn't feel like they could
28:26
Speaker 2: trust him defensively. So he's he's gotten stronger in the
28:29
Speaker 2: upper body. If he can be solid defensively, I think
28:33
Speaker 2: a lot of the little things that he does. I
28:35
Speaker 2: think he's got a pretty good knack for the ball.
28:37
Speaker 2: He can be a solid rebounder. I think he can
28:39
Speaker 2: be a valuable sixth or seventh man for this team.
28:42
Speaker 2: And I've been really impressed with him, just not just
28:44
Speaker 2: from the games down there, but watching him in the
28:46
Speaker 2: in the open practices, hearing some of his teammates talk about,
28:50
Speaker 2: you know, he's the only guy here last year, so
28:52
Speaker 2: he's the guy I go to and talk to about
28:54
Speaker 2: different things. He's viewed favorably in the locker room by
28:58
Speaker 2: his teammates. I think that's a positive thing. And the
29:00
Speaker 2: other thing that I'll give him, you know, his his
29:04
Speaker 2: props for and maybe this shouldn't be something you get
29:07
Speaker 2: your props for. But in an era of college basketball
29:09
Speaker 2: where right now, the easiest thing to do when you
29:12
Speaker 2: don't get the minutes you want or the opportunity you
29:15
Speaker 2: want is to just pack up and say I'm leaving.
29:18
Speaker 2: You know a lot of players you look around the
29:20
Speaker 2: landscape of college basketball, if they would have gone through
29:22
Speaker 2: what Trent Sisley did late in the season last year,
29:24
Speaker 2: they were said, I'm out of here, man, I'm going
29:26
Speaker 2: to a different place where you know, the coach is
29:29
Speaker 2: going to tell me what I want to hear. He's
29:31
Speaker 2: gonna say I'm gonna get more minutes. I'm gonna have
29:33
Speaker 2: a bigger role. No, he stood, you know, he stood
29:36
Speaker 2: stood in there. He was, you know, the last man
29:38
Speaker 2: standing when everyone transferred out and guys left or whatever.
29:43
Speaker 5: He stuck it out.
29:43
Speaker 2: And I think he's going to be rewarded with with
29:45
Speaker 2: a bigger role next season.
29:47
Speaker 5: I think he's going to be much improved.
29:49
Speaker 4: You took the words right out of my mouth about staying.
29:51
Speaker 4: You know that that that speaks volumes. He wants to
29:54
Speaker 4: be in Inana Hoosier. He wants to play for coach Debrees. Obviously,
29:56
Speaker 4: there's some good communication from the coaching staff to the
29:59
Speaker 4: player in that decision.
30:01
Speaker 3: But that's huge.
30:02
Speaker 4: And then on the basketball court, you know, he's got
30:04
Speaker 4: to be able to guard to four and guard to
30:06
Speaker 4: three because that's probably where he's going to be playing,
30:08
Speaker 4: and the physicality will be important. And the defensive concepts.
30:12
Speaker 4: You know, we don't know what was the true reason,
30:15
Speaker 4: but we all believe that it was something defensively, but man,
30:18
Speaker 4: the kid hustles, and there's he's a key to the rebounding,
30:22
Speaker 4: both offensive and defensive rebounding. If if you really get
30:26
Speaker 4: after him to go rebound and he can get four
30:28
Speaker 4: or five a game in key moments when he's coming
30:31
Speaker 4: off the bench, that is helpful. And and when you
30:34
Speaker 4: have a good program, sometimes the stats don't show the
30:38
Speaker 4: value right, and he's going to be a guy that
30:40
Speaker 4: could really bring value without clogging up the stat sheet.
30:43
Speaker 4: And one of the things I will tell you that
30:45
Speaker 4: I like about him his off ball cutting. So you know,
30:48
Speaker 4: you got you got Sharrell, and you got Burton going
30:50
Speaker 4: off and all of a sudden you're tagging shooters or whatever.
30:54
Speaker 4: He has a knack for cutting. You see it on
30:56
Speaker 4: the baseline a lot. He gets some dumped down passes
30:58
Speaker 4: and some dunks as well. Is what you mentioned. He
31:01
Speaker 4: does get out and run and and that puts pressure
31:04
Speaker 4: on a team too after a miss or you know,
31:06
Speaker 4: a turnover, things like that. I like his activity level,
31:09
Speaker 4: and so as a coach, you know, if the starters
31:11
Speaker 4: aren't playing well, there's a little law you could bring
31:13
Speaker 4: him in and and that his play can energize and
31:17
Speaker 4: lift other people up too. There's there's no stat for that.
31:20
Speaker 4: Coaches have it and they mark it down in the
31:22
Speaker 4: film room. I see him as that that guy, and
31:25
Speaker 4: I thought he played that role in the games and
31:27
Speaker 4: the halves that I that I was able to see
31:29
Speaker 4: down there in Peru.
31:31
Speaker 5: Yeah, last season.
31:33
Speaker 2: You know, I don't pick up a lot on a
31:35
Speaker 2: lot of the nuances of basketball like you do, maybe
31:38
Speaker 2: coach how the way you watch it. But there was
31:40
Speaker 2: a couple of times last year when I was at
31:41
Speaker 2: games at Assembly Hall where Trent Sisley sprinted down the
31:46
Speaker 2: court faster than anybody.
31:48
Speaker 5: And that's not something that I think.
31:52
Speaker 2: It's definitely not something that's talked about on all these
31:54
Speaker 2: recruiting sites or you know, it's not in highlights. But
31:57
Speaker 2: a guy that's willing to hustle and do the little thing.
32:00
Speaker 2: I think the fundamentals come are huge when it comes
32:04
Speaker 2: to winning, and I think from a fundamental standpoint, obviously
32:07
Speaker 2: we've mentioned the defense, but he does a lot of
32:09
Speaker 2: those little things, and I think, you know, the blue
32:11
Speaker 2: guy thing is a perfect assessment of what he needs
32:14
Speaker 2: to be for this team. I know you took some
32:16
Speaker 2: notes that when you watch some of these games. Anything
32:19
Speaker 2: else you had written down, or anything else, anything else
32:21
Speaker 2: that stood out that you wanted to talk about before
32:24
Speaker 2: we wrap up here.
32:26
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll share with your listeners. They might have heard
32:29
Speaker 4: us talk about this at different points of one of
32:32
Speaker 4: the post game shows, but I'll put it in in
32:34
Speaker 4: four pieces here. The willingness to attack in offense. For Indiana,
32:40
Speaker 4: they were in attack mode, and I think that comes
32:41
Speaker 4: from coach Devrees again, whether it be transition driving to basketball,
32:47
Speaker 4: you know, driving closeouts off the pick and roll, or
32:49
Speaker 4: just shooting an open three early in the game. They
32:52
Speaker 4: are an attack team, which is fun to watch, right,
32:55
Speaker 4: Maybe not so fun if you're shooting twenty two percent
32:58
Speaker 4: and you're down twelve or something. There'll be nights maybe
33:00
Speaker 4: where that doesn't work out, But it's much more fun
33:02
Speaker 4: to be in attack mode as opposed to be in
33:05
Speaker 4: passive and running too much stuff like coach DeVries runs
33:09
Speaker 4: a lot of good stuff. But even in that they attack.
33:13
Speaker 4: I thought, again, with that is pace and depth, the
33:16
Speaker 4: ability to not just transition for pace, but how you
33:21
Speaker 4: hard you play on the offensive end and the defensive end.
33:23
Speaker 4: I thought they played at a really good pace of basketball.
33:26
Speaker 4: Their cuts were hard, their screens were physical, and they
33:30
Speaker 4: didn't have to be in that league. And so again,
33:33
Speaker 4: how does that play in the regular season, Alex I
33:35
Speaker 4: don't know yet because the competition, and but it's going
33:39
Speaker 4: to be better than last year. That they play with confidence.
33:44
Speaker 4: And here's here's your freshman Carvila having thirty two points,
33:47
Speaker 4: Manhurst having seventeen in one game. The ability to catch
33:51
Speaker 4: and shoot without thinking for young people. That speaks to
33:54
Speaker 4: me to coach DeVries saying, when you're open, you're gonna
33:56
Speaker 4: shoot the basketball. You're here for a reason. You guys
33:59
Speaker 4: have demonstrated a bild. They don't hesitate to shoot. And
34:02
Speaker 4: I worked for a guy in high school my last
34:04
Speaker 4: five years, former assistant of mine, Mike Lewis at Western,
34:07
Speaker 4: and he said early in the year he wanted everyone
34:09
Speaker 4: to shoot, and I was like, oh man, this kid's
34:11
Speaker 4: not as good as this kid. Maybe we need to
34:13
Speaker 4: make sure we know about shot selections. No, I want
34:15
Speaker 4: everyone shooting early because you never know, and that ball
34:19
Speaker 4: finds them at a clutch moment and they feel comfortable
34:21
Speaker 4: and confident because you gave him the confidence early. So
34:24
Speaker 4: in practice, earlier, maybe in early games. I loved the
34:28
Speaker 4: freshman confidence. I loved Darren Harris's confidence in pulling the three,
34:32
Speaker 4: and what I saw last year, even in the eighteen
34:34
Speaker 4: and fourteen year with people were not afraid to take
34:36
Speaker 4: shots and again not to go back on previous regimes,
34:40
Speaker 4: but that wasn't always the case. You know, we're not
34:43
Speaker 4: here to get shooters shots. Well, he wants everyone shooting
34:46
Speaker 4: the basketball. And the last thing is accountability. I thought
34:49
Speaker 4: there's some great timeouts. I thought in the full game
34:52
Speaker 4: that I watched, they weren't guarding very well. Calls the
34:54
Speaker 4: timeout and they come out and just go on a
34:56
Speaker 4: twelve zero run. Anything he puts a press on. I think,
35:02
Speaker 4: you know he's talking on the sidelines. I like that.
35:05
Speaker 4: I think now with the depth piece too, you can
35:07
Speaker 4: hold players accountable. If they're not practicing hard, not playing hard.
35:10
Speaker 4: You can put someone in and be constructive in your criticism.
35:15
Speaker 4: I think that's good. Those are the four key things
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Speaker 4: that I wrote down about the Peru. The willingness to attack,
35:20
Speaker 4: pace to play with, the depth, confidence of the team
35:23
Speaker 4: to make plays, and then the accountability when they're not
35:25
Speaker 4: playing well. Those things you can tell in a week
35:29
Speaker 4: where you go and play against someone that's not at
35:31
Speaker 4: your level. You can kind of tell those things by
35:34
Speaker 4: how the whole situation. And so we're in a better
35:37
Speaker 4: place Indiana basketball. Indiana basketball is in a better place.
35:42
Speaker 4: Just how much better we'll tell when we play the Kentucky's,
35:46
Speaker 4: the Arkansass and those teams and then get into the
35:48
Speaker 4: Big Ten. But I think we have a good chance
35:50
Speaker 4: to be very, very very competitive with what I read
35:53
Speaker 4: and what I see.
35:56
Speaker 2: Absolutely thanks for your thoughts on that last thing before
35:58
Speaker 2: we let you go. IU football starts fall camp next week.
36:02
Speaker 3: I know you're a big.
36:02
Speaker 5: IU football guy.
36:03
Speaker 2: Just what what's it going to be like getting down
36:06
Speaker 2: there this year to some games to watch the defending
36:11
Speaker 2: national champ I mean, it's it's it's the real Every
36:14
Speaker 2: every time I think about it, talk about it. I
36:17
Speaker 2: mean I would have never thought that, you know, we
36:18
Speaker 2: would be providing IU football coverage and inside the Hall
36:21
Speaker 2: because you know, we were a basketball only site for
36:23
Speaker 2: so long. But you know, last year, Josh pos did
36:26
Speaker 2: a great job with his coverage for the first year,
36:28
Speaker 2: and we can we decided to continue it on obviously
36:31
Speaker 2: with two students now covering the program this upcoming season,
36:35
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be a lot of fun to watch.
36:36
Speaker 2: But you know, you've been there through the you know,
36:43
Speaker 2: the the banter from a lot of the the people
36:47
Speaker 2: on Twitter is, well, how you football that these fans
36:49
Speaker 2: just showed up. Now you've you were there for some
36:52
Speaker 2: of the the uh down in the dumps moments, So
36:55
Speaker 2: now you're gonna get to enjoy going showing up for
36:59
Speaker 2: the defending national well CHAMPCE. What's that gonna be like
37:01
Speaker 2: down there to Bloomington Now on game day.
37:03
Speaker 3: It's gonna be simply awesome. You know.
37:06
Speaker 4: So I went to school when Mallory started his run,
37:09
Speaker 4: and then early after I graduated, he was very successful.
37:12
Speaker 4: So that's how I got into it, and then it's
37:13
Speaker 4: just been a struggle. But you know, when you turn
37:16
Speaker 4: on you know, college Football Today on ESPN and they
37:20
Speaker 4: lead with talking about the Indiana Hoosiers at media day,
37:23
Speaker 4: it's just surreal. You know, twenty seven and two and
37:28
Speaker 4: you lose at Ohio State and at an Ordre Dame
37:30
Speaker 4: and those two played for the championship. You kind of
37:34
Speaker 4: pinch yourself a little bit. And I go back and
37:37
Speaker 4: watch the Rose Bowl game and all you know, the
37:40
Speaker 4: Peach Bowl, those things over and over again.
37:43
Speaker 3: But it's gonna be great.
37:45
Speaker 4: I think the expectations are that this team might be
37:47
Speaker 4: even a little bit better. So I don't know how
37:49
Speaker 4: that happens, and we'll see. You know, We've talked a
37:53
Speaker 4: little bit in our family too. It's like if we
37:55
Speaker 4: go ten and two, are we going to be disappointed?
37:57
Speaker 1: Now?
37:57
Speaker 4: Where Holy cal that would have been ten ten years ago,
38:00
Speaker 4: seven and five would have been a celebration because we're
38:03
Speaker 4: going to Detroit for for a bowl game.
38:06
Speaker 3: It is great, it is it is.
38:08
Speaker 4: It's just awesome to have Indiana football and coach Signetti
38:12
Speaker 4: just an incredible I don't think there's any story in
38:14
Speaker 4: my lifetime. You know, I know Texas Western one in
38:18
Speaker 4: sixty six. You know, Loyola won some basketball games. Milin
38:24
Speaker 4: I think is a good story. But we were bad.
38:28
Speaker 4: We were very bad at football, and then we were
38:31
Speaker 4: just like average for a while, and then we were
38:34
Speaker 4: bad and then sixteen and oh and beating Alabama.
38:40
Speaker 2: Oregon in Miami, and I think they went to like
38:42
Speaker 2: the Insight Bowl or something and being excited to watch
38:45
Speaker 2: that game on TV. And I'm like thinking back to that,
38:48
Speaker 2: It's like why did I now those bowl games are
38:51
Speaker 2: like with the playoff and everything is like completely irrelevant.
38:54
Speaker 2: But it's like that's kind of where Indiana football was
38:56
Speaker 2: for so long that go into something like that was
38:58
Speaker 2: a big deal. And you know even bowl game was
39:00
Speaker 2: it was it the Pinstripe Bowl where they want to do, Yeah,
39:05
Speaker 2: that that game. The other thing I'll say is and
39:07
Speaker 2: I don't cover the team on a day day basis.
39:09
Speaker 2: You know, I do a little bit of football stuff
39:11
Speaker 2: to try to help out with the students, writing and
39:14
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff. But Signetti, his press conferences are
39:18
Speaker 2: just like the gift that keeps giving for the media
39:20
Speaker 2: because he just every time he talks and every dig
39:24
Speaker 2: that he takes at the s He like the thing
39:26
Speaker 2: he said this week at Big Tim Media Day about
39:28
Speaker 2: the whining and complaining, I was like, those people are
39:31
Speaker 2: losing their mind. And he's just rent free and everybody's
39:34
Speaker 2: head down there out because they can't stand the fact
39:36
Speaker 2: that Indiana is good now. Not only that that he
39:40
Speaker 2: basically said all these crazy things when he came in,
39:43
Speaker 2: and I think we probably both would admit you probably
39:46
Speaker 2: thought he was crazy when he came in and said
39:47
Speaker 2: these things.
39:48
Speaker 5: He's backed the ball up and now he.
39:50
Speaker 2: Can sit there and gloat and you know, enjoy the
39:52
Speaker 2: moment and there's nothing these people can say about it.
39:55
Speaker 2: And I love that about it because that to me
39:56
Speaker 2: is just it's just entertaining. And all these people that
40:01
Speaker 2: have obviously I'm happy for IU fans that have followed
40:04
Speaker 2: this program for salt. They deserve it, you know, as
40:07
Speaker 2: much as everybody wants to say, where were all these people?
40:10
Speaker 2: Think about the history of any sports program, sports team.
40:15
Speaker 2: I mean, people don't they want a cheerful winner. Does
40:20
Speaker 2: it mean that people didn't love the team or want
40:21
Speaker 2: to follow the team. But if you're beaten up for
40:24
Speaker 2: that long, it's hard to show up for games when
40:26
Speaker 2: you know it's three and nine or whatever. Of course
40:28
Speaker 2: they're going to be more engaged now and be more
40:30
Speaker 2: excited about it. And you know, in many ways, he's, uh,
40:35
Speaker 2: he's woken up a sleeping giant and now IU, I
40:37
Speaker 2: think it's just helped the overall university. I'm sure there's
40:41
Speaker 2: more students that want to come to you now. It's
40:43
Speaker 2: gonna help the other sports, I'm sure with the different
40:46
Speaker 2: things you can do from a revenue sharing and nil
40:48
Speaker 2: opportunities for other sports. So I think overall for IU,
40:51
Speaker 2: for Bloomington, for the state, it's been an excellent thing.
40:54
Speaker 2: So but Signetty, I mean, he's he's a unicorn man.
40:57
Speaker 2: There's no one like him.
40:59
Speaker 4: It's gonna be awesome. You know, you always wanted the atmosphere,
41:01
Speaker 4: the college football atmosphere, and it was great coming for
41:04
Speaker 4: what twenty five thirty years since I graduated, But now
41:08
Speaker 4: it's really an atmosphere. It's packed, and you know, it's
41:12
Speaker 4: hard to get in and out of the stadium and
41:14
Speaker 4: all that, and that's just part of the price you
41:16
Speaker 4: go to any you go to any big school now
41:18
Speaker 4: and and we are that big school, and so the
41:20
Speaker 4: environment's going to be good. Seeing a packed Memorial Stadium
41:24
Speaker 4: has been awesome that you know, I think Jeremy Gray
41:27
Speaker 4: and anyone associated with the you know, the new mascot
41:30
Speaker 4: and the tiles rally tiles, like we just went from
41:35
Speaker 4: not much to the very top of atmosphere and winning,
41:38
Speaker 4: and and it makes Saturdays very very enjoyable, a little pricey,
41:42
Speaker 4: a little more pricey, but a lot more enjoyable.
41:46
Speaker 2: Absolutely well, coach, thanks for taking the time. You have
41:50
Speaker 2: a little bit more time now, so maybe I can
41:51
Speaker 2: ask you to come a little whenever you want, as
41:55
Speaker 2: long as I get you off the golf course. But
41:56
Speaker 2: thanks again for coming on, sharing your thoughts, exit for listening.
42:00
Speaker 2: I know we've been a little bit on maybe an
42:03
Speaker 2: uneven schedule this summer, not as much to talk about
42:05
Speaker 2: obviously in those summer months, we'll hopefully try to get
42:07
Speaker 2: into a more regular schedule. As the fall semester starts,
42:11
Speaker 2: we get into some of the football schedule and obviously
42:15
Speaker 2: the basketball schedule. These exhibition games are gonna be starting
42:17
Speaker 2: earlier and ever, I think India's first exhibition is October eleventh,
42:20
Speaker 2: so we'll have basketball here before you know it. We'll
42:23
Speaker 2: have everything covered obviously over on Inside the Hall, here
42:26
Speaker 2: on podcasts on the Brink. So thanks everybody as always
42:28
Speaker 2: for listening.
42:29
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