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- 1:27Speaker 1: I am Chad Norman, Chief Content Officer of the Action Network.
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- 1:50Speaker 1: Professional Better, Simon Hunter, Hello swim In, Hello Chad, how
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- 2:39Speaker 1: important podcast we do before the Super Bowl other than
- 2:41Speaker 1: this one and then when we did on Tuesday, and
- 2:43Speaker 1: maybe the one we do next Thursday. Chris Raybon and
- 2:45Speaker 1: Sean Croner, who are two of the top five most
- 2:48Speaker 1: accurate projectionists according to Fantasy Pros. And that's a reason
- 2:53Speaker 1: I'm reason I'm emphasizing Fantasy Pros. We're gonna talk about
- 2:56Speaker 1: super Bowl Props on Tuesday, on Thursday, right before the
- 3:00Speaker 1: super Bowl, on our Thursday episode Best Bet Show with
- 3:02Speaker 1: Brandon Anderson. But today a very special episode with two
- 3:06Speaker 1: very special guests I mentioned Fantasy Pros joining us today.
- 3:12Speaker 1: My former nemesis at Action Network, the man who I
- 3:15Speaker 1: am so sad he's still not at Action Matthew Freedman,
- 3:20Speaker 1: now the director of Contented Fantasy Pros and Betting Pros,
- 3:23Speaker 1: the man who is responsible for making sure Raybon and
- 3:26Speaker 1: Coroner are ranked. And I love that he holds no
- 3:28Speaker 1: animosity against these guys as former colleagues of his, and
- 3:31Speaker 1: he still ranks them so high. That's how credible fantasy
- 3:34Speaker 1: pros is. Well. Hello, Freeman, I should say hello to you.
- 3:38Speaker 1: Thanks for showing up on time. It's it's great to see.
- 3:41Speaker 1: It's racist. He's sign with you. I don't even know
- 3:42Speaker 1: why Sigmon is here. He is in the bag in
- 3:45Speaker 1: England by Cross Continent, has some commitments to the contract,
- 3:50Speaker 1: the hardest working man. And Jenny even asked me about
- 3:52Speaker 1: my trip. Do you see what I'm dealing with here, Freeman.
- 3:53Speaker 1: We've got a selfish boss here at Action Guy, isn't
- 3:56Speaker 1: it asks me how my trip in england's going. He's
- 3:58Speaker 1: just right to the pics and the business unbelievable. Yeah,
- 4:01Speaker 1: I know. This is one of the reasons I left
- 4:04Speaker 1: Chad so selfish and Chad rest assured. Even though we
- 4:08Speaker 1: are no longer at the same company, I am still
- 4:10Speaker 1: always your nemesis. It's true. A couple of things here
- 4:13Speaker 1: are true. Number one, I don't care about the people.
- 4:15Speaker 1: Number two, you're my nemesis. Number three. Freedman's right. I
- 4:19Speaker 1: was late because I was having a very important meeting
- 4:22Speaker 1: with the CEO of Better Collective, the company that bought
- 4:25Speaker 1: Action Network. He's in town from Copenhagen. It ran a
- 4:28Speaker 1: little long. I couldn't tell him that I had to
- 4:30Speaker 1: go ditch for some podcast with you know, some old
- 4:34Speaker 1: englishman who's half in the bag and some dude who
- 4:37Speaker 1: used to work with us. But he would have been
- 4:39Speaker 1: sad that I was keeping our next guests, Evan abrahams waiting.
- 4:43Speaker 1: Of course. Evan is a director of research, probably the
- 4:48Speaker 1: only beloved person by me at the company. Total genius
- 4:51Speaker 1: makes everything we do at Action better, and he's a
- 4:54Speaker 1: maestro with our bet Labs database. All of this is true.
- 4:57Speaker 1: I listened to him on this morning's episode of my
- 4:59Speaker 1: face favorite podcast, the Action Network podcast with Raybond and
- 5:02Speaker 1: Stucky Great Q, and a episode companies super Bowl betting data.
- 5:06Speaker 1: He gathered so much info we had to have him
- 5:08Speaker 1: on this one as well. It was too much good
- 5:11Speaker 1: stuff for just one episode. So he's here to take
- 5:13Speaker 1: us through some of the trends and betting nuggets he
- 5:17Speaker 1: has for Super Bowl fifty seven between the Chiefs and
- 5:20Speaker 1: the Eagles. Evan Abrams Hello. First of all, Chad, someone
- 5:25Speaker 1: needs to back you up, someone needs to say something nice.
- 5:27Speaker 1: It's been a bit different STRD for you, So I'll
- 5:30Speaker 1: be here to say something nice and then probably you
- 5:32Speaker 1: know dendigulator. But it's okay, Well we'll start, we'll start fun.
- 5:36Speaker 1: But I'm gonna give you some information. So I'm gonna
- 5:39Speaker 1: give you three facts that I gave on the Tan
- 5:41Speaker 1: Pod yesterday that I think we should repeat. But let
- 5:44Speaker 1: me go through them quickly because you should go back
- 5:46Speaker 1: and listen to that episode. Uh. First one, I'm gonna
- 5:48Speaker 1: start with this Patrick Mahomes. So this will be the
- 5:50Speaker 1: seventh Super Bowl to feature the league leader in regular
- 5:53Speaker 1: season passing yards. The previous six lost. The first was
- 5:57Speaker 1: Marino and four and the other five of all comes
- 6:00Speaker 1: since two thousand Brady Manning, Brady rich Gannon, and Kurt Warner.
- 6:04Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens here. Eagles pass rush best
- 6:08Speaker 1: past defense we've seen in a while. So that's number one.
- 6:12Speaker 1: Number two, this game will feature Isaia Pachecko. This is
- 6:15Speaker 1: a rookie running back in the Super Bowl and not
- 6:18Speaker 1: something we see every day. Since two thousand five, teams
- 6:21Speaker 1: have had a rookie running back here of the Bowl
- 6:23Speaker 1: ten plus times in the Super Bowl they are five
- 6:25Speaker 1: no straight up in five and against the spread. Yes,
- 6:28Speaker 1: very noisy, but a fun stat. Sony Michelle so much
- 6:31Speaker 1: less relevant, I know, but listen, I follow our producer
- 6:36Speaker 1: Matt Mitchell. He this was the first note he gave
- 6:39Speaker 1: to me. He said he loved it. So we go
- 6:40Speaker 1: with it. First, Sony Michelle, does that guy now awesome?
- 6:44Speaker 1: That's sometimes Bernard Pierce, James Starks, Joseph and Die and
- 6:48Speaker 1: the great Jamal Lewis where this whole rookie running back
- 6:52Speaker 1: kind of thing started. Um. Third question, does having experience
- 6:56Speaker 1: in a Super Bowl give Mahomes and edge statistically? The
- 7:00Speaker 1: answer is pretty much no quarterbacks with super Bowl experience
- 7:03Speaker 1: basing one with no experience nineteen and fifteen straight up,
- 7:06Speaker 1: sixteen and eighteen against the spread all time. And even
- 7:09Speaker 1: when you look two plus super Bowl gap like my
- 7:12Speaker 1: home's third Super Bowl versus a quarterback with their first
- 7:14Speaker 1: still only twelve and eight. So I mean, when you
- 7:17Speaker 1: look at experience, kind of throw it out the window.
- 7:19Speaker 1: That's that's really what I say, especially when you take
- 7:21Speaker 1: out Brady still only seven and five. So yeah, move on,
- 7:26Speaker 1: find better at angles. Before we get into the deeper
- 7:29Speaker 1: dive conversation with a lot of these facts and stats
- 7:33Speaker 1: and data and anecdote, Simon, you came out pretty strong
- 7:37Speaker 1: on Tuesday in favor of the Eagles. The line was
- 7:41Speaker 1: at two was come down, and I want to give
- 7:43Speaker 1: you credit. I want to give you credit right now
- 7:45Speaker 1: because your narrative for the game, which you were way
- 7:48Speaker 1: ahead of, as the analysis is starting to come out
- 7:52Speaker 1: about the offensive line and the defensive line is becoming
- 7:56Speaker 1: a pretty strong theme as to why people our favorite
- 8:00Speaker 1: in the Eagles in forty hours since we last spoke,
- 8:05Speaker 1: and I hope you're having a wonderful time being drunk
- 8:08Speaker 1: in England. Has anything in your mind changed? Are you
- 8:12Speaker 1: feeling even stronger about it? What's what's been happening? A
- 8:16Speaker 1: lot more noise now on the homes right as the
- 8:18Speaker 1: week's gonna longer. I feel like I'm hearing more whispers
- 8:20Speaker 1: about the Hurts thing, which I told you. I'm hoping
- 8:23Speaker 1: Hurts was bat on those long throws because he was nervous.
- 8:25Speaker 1: He had jitters. If his shoulder is not right, Chat,
- 8:28Speaker 1: that's that's a big, big deal to this Eagle's team
- 8:31Speaker 1: in that number. So the movement we've seen is that
- 8:33Speaker 1: I think the rumors are swirling. So the number is
- 8:36Speaker 1: gonna move and the pros are gonna come. You know,
- 8:38Speaker 1: a Chiefs team that, sure, we don't know what that,
- 8:40Speaker 1: we don't know if my homes is fully healthy, we
- 8:42Speaker 1: can say right now we feel more confident about him.
- 8:45Speaker 1: Do you do out Hurts just because Hurts could not
- 8:47Speaker 1: put the ball downfield? I mean, I think you're right.
- 8:49Speaker 1: The last show you a hundred yards passed. But again
- 8:52Speaker 1: they weren't asking him to do that. The run was
- 8:55Speaker 1: working against a four team which all week chat what
- 8:58Speaker 1: did we hear all weeks the four arts had the
- 9:00Speaker 1: best run defensive football. I guess who's not gonna say
- 9:03Speaker 1: anything good about the chief run defense all week? Anyone
- 9:06Speaker 1: that looks at the numbers. Sure they've shared up some
- 9:08Speaker 1: stuff as this season gone along year, but any team
- 9:10Speaker 1: that can dominate the run has dominated the Chiefs on
- 9:13Speaker 1: both side the ball. So it just feels like there's
- 9:15Speaker 1: people that are stuck on their ways. Right. There's people
- 9:17Speaker 1: that they took the Giants seven and a half, right,
- 9:19Speaker 1: they felt they were the smartest people in the room.
- 9:21Speaker 1: They weren't. The same people came in last week took
- 9:24Speaker 1: the four nineers, tried to say the public was all
- 9:26Speaker 1: over the Eagles, and they they were talking about Eagles
- 9:28Speaker 1: out easy. The Eagles were gonna win, and how they
- 9:31Speaker 1: were misreading that four team and the same exact score happened.
- 9:34Speaker 1: It was a thirty eight to seven blowout. So just
- 9:37Speaker 1: look at this matchup with the Chiefs and it's all
- 9:39Speaker 1: it is my homes. You ask anyone, they would say,
- 9:42Speaker 1: you take my homes away from the Chief's team. They're
- 9:45Speaker 1: probably the third best team in their own division. So
- 9:47Speaker 1: this Eagles team, to me, is still the most complete team.
- 9:49Speaker 1: The nerves for me right now is just Hurts. I
- 9:52Speaker 1: just don't have any info and Hurt. So I would
- 9:55Speaker 1: say to anyone if this was a normal situation, Hurts
- 9:57Speaker 1: was fully healthy and he had thrown for two in
- 10:00Speaker 1: that game, and it wasn't even a good to fifty feet.
- 10:02Speaker 1: Was just completing passes downfield and I could see him
- 10:04Speaker 1: be accurate. I'd feel more confident still about the Eagles.
- 10:07Speaker 1: I haven't put a pennymore since our show because I
- 10:09Speaker 1: just I'm unsure about it. Chad, So I probably saw
- 10:11Speaker 1: a take up a little bit the over I would say,
- 10:13Speaker 1: me and my group came in pretty heavy on the overside.
- 10:16Speaker 1: We moved to maybe half a point. Another really sharp
- 10:19Speaker 1: group came in even heavier on the over I think
- 10:21Speaker 1: they've moved in out full point up to fifty and
- 10:23Speaker 1: a half. So I took my position on that at
- 10:26Speaker 1: forty nine and a half. I was hoping, I told you,
- 10:28Speaker 1: I was hoping it would drop even more. It just
- 10:30Speaker 1: wasn't going through, so I took that position. But in
- 10:32Speaker 1: the end, it does feel if I get the okay
- 10:35Speaker 1: by my guys that are working with the Eagles about
- 10:38Speaker 1: hur it's like, it's not give me no bullshit either,
- 10:40Speaker 1: It's gonna be real good info. If you see me
- 10:42Speaker 1: take the Eagles, that means I feel confident about Hurts.
- 10:44Speaker 1: If you just see me I take a large side
- 10:47Speaker 1: on the Eagles, if I just make it whatever it
- 10:48Speaker 1: is in the app one unit, that means I'm taking
- 10:51Speaker 1: the Eagles. But it's kind of like, fuck, I don't
- 10:53Speaker 1: feel great about it. It's just it's one of those
- 10:55Speaker 1: where on on Tuesday when you talk to me, I
- 10:57Speaker 1: was feeling really good, and now it's two days of us.
- 11:00Speaker 1: The hurt stuff just makes me nervous because a lot
- 11:02Speaker 1: of a lot of whispers about his shoulder. Have you
- 11:06Speaker 1: been thinking about the game very much, Chad? What are
- 11:09Speaker 1: you trying to insultinly, it's that's all I've been thinking
- 11:12Speaker 1: about for like four days. I had projections ready for
- 11:16Speaker 1: this game even before we have the final matchup this.
- 11:21Speaker 1: I think this is gonna be a fantastic matchup. I
- 11:23Speaker 1: agree with a lot of what Simon said, but I
- 11:26Speaker 1: disagree on the way that I'm betting this. I'm I'm
- 11:29Speaker 1: on the Chiefs. I I do think that you know,
- 11:31Speaker 1: you look at He's right, it's all Mahomes. You look
- 11:34Speaker 1: at two through fifty three on the roster, and the
- 11:37Speaker 1: clear advantage is towards the Eagles. The clear advantage that
- 11:41Speaker 1: the Chiefs have is that they have Patrick Mahomes and
- 11:43Speaker 1: they have Andy Reid. But if you had to pick
- 11:46Speaker 1: just two guys in the organization to determine how his
- 11:49Speaker 1: Super Bowl is gonna play out, it would be the
- 11:51Speaker 1: head coach in the quarterback. And it's not as if
- 11:53Speaker 1: the Chiefs are horrible at all of their other positions.
- 11:56Speaker 1: There's still a top five roster in general. So I
- 12:00Speaker 1: have this at one and a half towards the Chiefs.
- 12:03Speaker 1: The market is around one one and a half towards
- 12:05Speaker 1: the Eagles, Like we're all in that general pick them range.
- 12:09Speaker 1: I think the real advantage is probably going to be
- 12:11Speaker 1: betting the Props, which, of course, as you mentioned, fantastic
- 12:14Speaker 1: Tuesday show you will have coming up with Sean Corner.
- 12:17Speaker 1: I'm still going to mispronounce his name till the end
- 12:19Speaker 1: of time. Sean Corner and Chris Raymond, I'll be great.
- 12:22Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I'm I'm on the Chiefs here.
- 12:25Speaker 1: I will say, I think that what we have seen
- 12:27Speaker 1: in the playoffs out of the Eagles was impressive, but
- 12:31Speaker 1: we got to keep in context. It was against a
- 12:34Speaker 1: Giants team that has overperformed throughout the season, and against
- 12:38Speaker 1: a forty Niners team that was running out a fourth
- 12:41Speaker 1: string quarterback for a significant portion of the game and
- 12:44Speaker 1: then a third string quarterback who couldn't throw. So I
- 12:47Speaker 1: haven't changed my perception of the Eagles all that much
- 12:51Speaker 1: in the playoffs, and also haven't changed my perception of
- 12:53Speaker 1: the Chiefs all that much in the playoffs. Yet Patrick
- 12:56Speaker 1: Mahomes injured for a significant portion of their first game.
- 12:59Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes still plane, you know, miraculously better than we
- 13:02Speaker 1: would have anticipated given that he was injured the week before.
- 13:05Speaker 1: But you know, injured Patrick Mahomes injured wide receivers in
- 13:08Speaker 1: their second game, and I would say, anyone would be
- 13:11Speaker 1: lying to you if they told you that entering the playoffs,
- 13:15Speaker 1: with the exception and maybe Simon, but entering the playoffs,
- 13:18Speaker 1: that they had the Eagles power rated ahead of the Chiefs.
- 13:22Speaker 1: Almost everyone entering the playoffs had the Chiefs as the
- 13:25Speaker 1: number one, number two power rated team and the Eagles
- 13:27Speaker 1: maybe anywhere from number three to number six. But I
- 13:31Speaker 1: don't think we've seen anything to flip the idea of
- 13:34Speaker 1: the Eagles deservedly being power rated ahead of the Chiefs,
- 13:38Speaker 1: and I can't I can't move from that to the
- 13:41Speaker 1: number that we are seeing in the market right now.
- 13:44Speaker 1: I think this number is incorrect and overvaluing the idea
- 13:48Speaker 1: of all of the injuries that we've may be seen
- 13:51Speaker 1: at the wide receiver position for the Chiefs, maybe the
- 13:53Speaker 1: idea that Travis Kelsey has the banged up back and
- 13:56Speaker 1: won't be playing at anywhere close to But I think
- 13:59Speaker 1: this number in the market is wrong, and that's the
- 14:02Speaker 1: value CHAT is. It's Evan just told you the quarterback
- 14:05Speaker 1: literally does not matter. It is he. It is even
- 14:08Speaker 1: worse to have the best quarterback in this game historically,
- 14:11Speaker 1: the guy who's been the best all year historically. That's
- 14:14Speaker 1: why I make my money where I had it one
- 14:16Speaker 1: Eagles and I had to nins. That was my power
- 14:18Speaker 1: in because three was the Chiefs fours the Bengals. So
- 14:21Speaker 1: I told you two weeks ago, no matter what, I
- 14:23Speaker 1: was probably gonna be the NFC. And that for me,
- 14:25Speaker 1: that's why just nothing's changed. Where the only big factor
- 14:27Speaker 1: here is the Hurts injury. That's what I'm stick to
- 14:29Speaker 1: where I feel like that's the movement right now. The
- 14:32Speaker 1: pros were all over this Eagles team for a good reason.
- 14:35Speaker 1: The hesitation the Paul is the reason the money has
- 14:37Speaker 1: come back to their way is the Hurts thing could
- 14:39Speaker 1: be real. That could be a real injury to his
- 14:41Speaker 1: shoulder right now. So it's definitely interesting here. In the
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- 16:46Speaker 1: I want to get to Evan for a second. But honestly,
- 16:48Speaker 1: do I go with my bff, who I put my
- 16:51Speaker 1: faith in trust in, or do I go with a
- 16:54Speaker 1: guy who I kind of can't stand. I don't know
- 16:56Speaker 1: what to do here, Evan. You and I spoke Monday morning,
- 17:02Speaker 1: I think, and the total was at forty nine and
- 17:05Speaker 1: a half. I was upset because I wanted to bet
- 17:09Speaker 1: the under and I missed the fifty or I didn't
- 17:11Speaker 1: pull the trigger on the fifty. I just sort of
- 17:12Speaker 1: watched it. You got the fifty. I get on the
- 17:15Speaker 1: I get on the show on Tuesday and Simon telling
- 17:17Speaker 1: me he's betting the over, and not only that, he's
- 17:19Speaker 1: gone in big on the over, moved it. I don't
- 17:23Speaker 1: know why I still feel good about the under, like
- 17:25Speaker 1: it doesn't actually play the type for me, given the
- 17:27Speaker 1: fact that the Eagles sack rate, the Eagles pressure rate
- 17:32Speaker 1: best in the league, their elite against number one receivers.
- 17:37Speaker 1: We've got a mediocre offensive line, We've got a for
- 17:41Speaker 1: the Chiefs, We've got a wide receiver group that is injured,
- 17:46Speaker 1: and so what the Eagles are already great at is
- 17:49Speaker 1: focusing on the number one receiver, so now they can
- 17:53Speaker 1: double down on that. Uh. Their offensive line is historically great.
- 17:58Speaker 1: Their rush game is having in his work season. Why
- 18:02Speaker 1: am I? Why am I hearing about the over when
- 18:05Speaker 1: this feels like a Eagles ground and pound and Mahomes
- 18:09Speaker 1: not having a heart, not having an easy time staying
- 18:11Speaker 1: in the field. I have no idea. I seriously don't
- 18:14Speaker 1: I like the under, and I still do. I've bet
- 18:16Speaker 1: at a fifty one since it hit there recently as well.
- 18:19Speaker 1: I'm just against Simon here. Now I understand what the
- 18:22Speaker 1: theory is behind liking the over, Like my theory is
- 18:26Speaker 1: as Chiefs and the over Eagles in the under, I
- 18:28Speaker 1: just think that's the way it'll progress. As the game goes,
- 18:31Speaker 1: so like you know, there's ways to play, combined parlays
- 18:34Speaker 1: and things like that. I just feel like that's the approach.
- 18:36Speaker 1: Whether it's pressure, their past defense, their offensive line, it's
- 18:40Speaker 1: just all better units on Philly's side. But the one
- 18:43Speaker 1: thing I will say when it comes to injuries, Simon
- 18:45Speaker 1: is also a hundred percent correct. I am twenty times
- 18:48Speaker 1: more worried about hurts than I am a homes We
- 18:50Speaker 1: just saw my homes play. We saw what happened, and
- 18:53Speaker 1: he's got two weeks. We heard all that Kelsey news
- 18:55Speaker 1: day of men absolutely nothing. He had seven catches, He
- 18:58Speaker 1: probably should have had eight or nine in the game.
- 19:00Speaker 1: So I think from an injury point of view, I
- 19:03Speaker 1: am scared to death of Philly and that's why I listen.
- 19:06Speaker 1: I bet it at minus one fifteen. I bet at
- 19:07Speaker 1: minus one twenty. That's what I got early. But right
- 19:11Speaker 1: now I'm with Simon, I'm not putting another dime on it.
- 19:13Speaker 1: After all I keep hearing from everyone is that injury.
- 19:16Speaker 1: It's it's scary. You've been digging into the bet Labs
- 19:20Speaker 1: database for trends on the side, trends on the totals
- 19:26Speaker 1: based on tickets, based on money percentages, what do we know?
- 19:30Speaker 1: What can you tell us? So just off the top,
- 19:32Speaker 1: which is probably the most fun stat I could offer,
- 19:34Speaker 1: that's super Bowl favorites are thirty six and twenties straight up,
- 19:37Speaker 1: but they're actually twenty seven seven into an absolute even
- 19:41Speaker 1: in Super Bowl history, which is just a fun nugget
- 19:44Speaker 1: heading into this game when you look at overs twenty
- 19:48Speaker 1: six pretty much even. The one thing I will say
- 19:52Speaker 1: the unders cash and four straight Super Bowls for the
- 19:54Speaker 1: first time since two thousand nine. Hasn't gone five straight
- 19:57Speaker 1: under since the seventies, So something to look out for
- 20:00Speaker 1: depending on the result here. But the one thing I
- 20:02Speaker 1: really want to talk about is the bet Labs database
- 20:05Speaker 1: and in game uh first half and second halves UH
- 20:09Speaker 1: dog ten six and two, A t s in the
- 20:12Speaker 1: first halves, dog ten seven and one in the second half.
- 20:16Speaker 1: So when you're talking about like the Chiefs in this spot,
- 20:19Speaker 1: you're probably getting a little bit extra value. If you're
- 20:21Speaker 1: getting a half point freed Man, you fancy yourself a
- 20:26Speaker 1: player prop genius. We've seen the explosion in the prop
- 20:31Speaker 1: market going on for a generation almost but what's interesting
- 20:35Speaker 1: is normally before the Super Bowl those props aren't coming
- 20:40Speaker 1: out for at least a week all of a sudden
- 20:44Speaker 1: this year, perhaps were it out Monday. Give me some
- 20:48Speaker 1: thoughts on the props that are tried and true that
- 20:52Speaker 1: will always be popular. Start with that the player props
- 20:57Speaker 1: that's its own general type of thing. But the team
- 20:59Speaker 1: prop those are the ones that are a little more
- 21:01Speaker 1: interesting to me. And the props that have something to
- 21:04Speaker 1: do like will there be a safety in the Super
- 21:07Speaker 1: Bowl or something like that. The props that have larger juice.
- 21:12Speaker 1: The type of sports fan who's just coming in and like, Hey,
- 21:14Speaker 1: what should I bet? I don't I don't watch football,
- 21:17Speaker 1: or I watch football, but I don't really like crunch numbers.
- 21:19Speaker 1: That person doesn't want to lay a lot of juice.
- 21:21Speaker 1: But sometimes there's significant value on laying the juice. You
- 21:25Speaker 1: shouldn't put a ton of money on it, but you
- 21:27Speaker 1: know you're very likely to win that bet, uh, Like
- 21:31Speaker 1: even more than the the implied value that you get
- 21:34Speaker 1: with the odds. I think for this game in particular,
- 21:38Speaker 1: I would be looking at the number of penalties. Uh.
- 21:41Speaker 1: Penalties tend to tick down a little bit in the
- 21:44Speaker 1: playoffs and especially the Super Bowl, Like the refs just
- 21:47Speaker 1: kind of tend to swallow the whistle a little bit more,
- 21:49Speaker 1: so there tends to be some value there. And uh,
- 21:53Speaker 1: you know, I'm interested in the passing props that we
- 21:57Speaker 1: will see, you know, with the idea that Jay and
- 22:00Speaker 1: Hurts is potentially more injured than what we would see
- 22:03Speaker 1: in the practice reports, I think we could see you know,
- 22:06Speaker 1: significant under movement on his passing yardage prop. And it's
- 22:11Speaker 1: not as if the Eagles are airing it out a
- 22:13Speaker 1: lot anyway. Uh. And I mean they have that capacity
- 22:16Speaker 1: early in the year, but we haven't seen it recently.
- 22:18Speaker 1: So whatever number you look at now, it will probably
- 22:23Speaker 1: be significantly lower a week from now. Sign And if
- 22:27Speaker 1: you're anxious about betting the sides and we're still thinking
- 22:30Speaker 1: about it, uh, And you're heavy on the total of
- 22:33Speaker 1: this on the over at this point, have you looked
- 22:35Speaker 1: at the sides? Have you, I mean at the props?
- 22:37Speaker 1: Have you thought about the props market at this point?
- 22:39Speaker 1: Are you gonna wait and see what happens next week? Yeah?
- 22:42Speaker 1: I took a bunch of positions, but do they're like
- 22:44Speaker 1: limited to even in person to fifty like the biggest
- 22:47Speaker 1: bet I had a bunch of guys that have a
- 22:48Speaker 1: bunch of different books was to fifty. Most books were
- 22:51Speaker 1: two on that Monday. Um, as a week has gone along,
- 22:54Speaker 1: they've upped it. I would say some books have up
- 22:56Speaker 1: died a hundred bucks two hundred fifty per day. So
- 22:58Speaker 1: I've heard, you know, a couple of i's got a
- 23:00Speaker 1: thousand bucks down today. I think they're all just taking
- 23:03Speaker 1: positions on here set. It's the same thing of they're
- 23:06Speaker 1: taking unders. I mean, they worked for him last week.
- 23:08Speaker 1: A lot of really smart guys came in really heavy
- 23:10Speaker 1: on Hurtes underpassing, not only because they thought the game
- 23:13Speaker 1: script was gonna go towards the forty niners, but they
- 23:16Speaker 1: had heard some rumors that he'd landed funny on it
- 23:18Speaker 1: and one of the tackles in that Giants game, and
- 23:21Speaker 1: that's why they kind of taking him out and took
- 23:22Speaker 1: it easy the rest of the second half against the
- 23:24Speaker 1: Giants team. So that was one of those I was
- 23:27Speaker 1: looking for it. I didn't really want to believe it
- 23:29Speaker 1: because I feel like there wasn't enough info on it,
- 23:31Speaker 1: and in the game there's just a couple of those
- 23:33Speaker 1: throws that, yeah, threw me up a little. But with
- 23:35Speaker 1: the over, I made the game fifty one and a half.
- 23:38Speaker 1: That's why I just stayed to it where it's like, okay,
- 23:40Speaker 1: that's what I made the number. The game opened above it,
- 23:42Speaker 1: then it moved below it, and that's where I just
- 23:44Speaker 1: saw the value where I think most pros and the
- 23:47Speaker 1: public are just going to go recently buyas I mean
- 23:50Speaker 1: the Chiefs. That's gonna be the play for the public.
- 23:52Speaker 1: They're gonna go the simple of mahomes is a dog.
- 23:55Speaker 1: I'm gonna take my homes, which I can't fault them.
- 23:57Speaker 1: It's like that's the easy thing to say and do,
- 24:00Speaker 1: and the under is an easy bet because of what
- 24:02Speaker 1: have we seen this last couple of weeks. I mean,
- 24:04Speaker 1: Evan could tell us we've just had unders like me
- 24:06Speaker 1: and you've been cashing every week chat since that Walker weekend,
- 24:09Speaker 1: We've been hitting these unders pretty big and they've been
- 24:11Speaker 1: coming through. So that was another reason I like the
- 24:14Speaker 1: over in this vision of the public is usually wrong
- 24:17Speaker 1: and Super Bowls when the public likes unders, and they're
- 24:19Speaker 1: usually wrong when they think they know what the hell
- 24:21Speaker 1: is about to happen in games for Twize and I'll
- 24:23Speaker 1: always remember yelling my head off that Eagles over with
- 24:27Speaker 1: Nick Foles against that Patriots team Did I know that
- 24:29Speaker 1: was gonna be the most yards and points and that
- 24:31Speaker 1: uh super Bowl history. No, but it was just one
- 24:34Speaker 1: of the things where it's like, yeah, I agree, the
- 24:36Speaker 1: Eagles had a really good defense in that seventeen That
- 24:39Speaker 1: ship don't matter in the playoffs. You have two weeks
- 24:42Speaker 1: to prepare. These coaches are going to be smart. Andy
- 24:45Speaker 1: Reid is a really smart coach, Sirianni. These blocking schemes
- 24:49Speaker 1: chad like watching going back and watching it. The adjustments
- 24:52Speaker 1: they made in the second half, that's why people want
- 24:54Speaker 1: to talk to about the Eagle team. The adjustments they
- 24:56Speaker 1: make it half time. Run blocking wise is literally poetry.
- 24:59Speaker 1: If you're indie, watch film, Like they see like Nick
- 25:01Speaker 1: Posta was stepping up, and they saw that he was
- 25:03Speaker 1: stepping up too much, like he was literally rushing up
- 25:06Speaker 1: the right side, so they would just leave him on block.
- 25:08Speaker 1: In the second half, they literally just used him as
- 25:10Speaker 1: a decoy, brought the guard around, they would block up
- 25:13Speaker 1: the middle. You saw back the back fourteen twenty yard
- 25:15Speaker 1: runs by the Egos offense, just off a little adjustment.
- 25:18Speaker 1: Guess who doesn't have that good heart run defense. Compared
- 25:21Speaker 1: to the fourty niners, the Chiefs team So that's one
- 25:23Speaker 1: of those where I just keep going back to it
- 25:24Speaker 1: of it's gonna be the ultimate chess mass if you're
- 25:27Speaker 1: a football nerd. It's literally a dream of watch. Going
- 25:30Speaker 1: back and watching this film is gonna be amazing because
- 25:32Speaker 1: Andy Reid is so smart. A team will make an
- 25:34Speaker 1: adjustment in the first half and take something away, and
- 25:37Speaker 1: Andy Reid will attack it in the second half. He'll
- 25:39Speaker 1: he'll find something from the nineteen eighties that no one
- 25:42Speaker 1: else knows because Andy is just old dog who knows
- 25:44Speaker 1: the old plays. And that's why I love I just
- 25:46Speaker 1: love this matchup so much. It's just really really good
- 25:49Speaker 1: coaching on coaching, and I agree Andy Reid probably is
- 25:52Speaker 1: the side right now for coaching just because he's been here,
- 25:55Speaker 1: like this is what his third or fourth Super Bowl,
- 25:57Speaker 1: So to me, that's a big deal. That is a
- 25:59Speaker 1: huge event inch over Nick Siriani. So that's a lot
- 26:02Speaker 1: of stuff I weighed in this total of I don't
- 26:04Speaker 1: see either offense taking foot off the gas. Like Mahomes,
- 26:07Speaker 1: he will go fight for bite against this ego's team.
- 26:10Speaker 1: Like again, the Eagles have a good defense. There's a
- 26:12Speaker 1: reason they haven't thanks for quarterback Like Mahomes this year,
- 26:14Speaker 1: Mahomes is as good as it gets. So to me,
- 26:17Speaker 1: takeaways receivers, I'm hearing whispers that Juju is actually back
- 26:20Speaker 1: and that he's gonna be practicing even this week. So
- 26:23Speaker 1: to me, I think they're gonna have enough pieces there
- 26:25Speaker 1: that Mahomes will put up the points. It's all about.
- 26:27Speaker 1: Can hurt to answer, because that's what it's gonna come
- 26:29Speaker 1: down to. You can't just run it all a game
- 26:31Speaker 1: Mahomes just putting up points. You're gonna have to throw
- 26:33Speaker 1: the ball. So that, to me, that's gonna be a
- 26:35Speaker 1: defining piece of this game. Well, everyone, go ahead, fathing,
- 26:38Speaker 1: go ahead. Simon's point about the the over, I'm within there,
- 26:43Speaker 1: and I think even if you know Juju, some of
- 26:46Speaker 1: these other wide receivers don't return, they're not all that
- 26:49Speaker 1: big of a part of the offense anyway, and they
- 26:51Speaker 1: still have two weeks to be able to plan what
- 26:53Speaker 1: they do without those guys. So, like Simon, I'm on
- 26:57Speaker 1: the over part of the rationalist at you know this
- 27:01Speaker 1: is this is the ma home spot. Uh. You know
- 27:03Speaker 1: Simon is on the Eagles, But I think Mahomes is
- 27:05Speaker 1: going to be able to have more success against a
- 27:07Speaker 1: very good UH secondary here a great defensive line. He
- 27:13Speaker 1: he thinks, you know, he probably will be pressured. But
- 27:16Speaker 1: I mean, at the same time, I think it is
- 27:17Speaker 1: fair to say that, UH, I don't hold the strength
- 27:19Speaker 1: of schedule thing against the Eagles, Like they did what
- 27:23Speaker 1: they should do against bad opponents, like they demolished them.
- 27:26Speaker 1: So like they still look like a very good team
- 27:29Speaker 1: that had a software strength of schedule. But it is
- 27:32Speaker 1: worth pointing out that the quarterbacks who are better than
- 27:36Speaker 1: the average that they faced, a number of those guys
- 27:38Speaker 1: did do pretty well against the Eagles defense. So it's
- 27:42Speaker 1: a good defense. I don't know if it's like a
- 27:45Speaker 1: great defense to the extent that we would imagine based
- 27:48Speaker 1: on the raw the raw stats, like all of the sacks,
- 27:52Speaker 1: I think that's a little bit inflated. One of the
- 27:56Speaker 1: biggest conversations, the points of conversation coming out of the
- 28:00Speaker 1: Chiefs Bengals was the officiating. UH. There was a great
- 28:04Speaker 1: meme going around after on social with Ron was it
- 28:10Speaker 1: Ron Torborg was the official UH with a picture of
- 28:15Speaker 1: him and Mahomes trading jerseys. UM. There was a joke
- 28:19Speaker 1: that is the first time an official has been named
- 28:21Speaker 1: m V p of the a f C Title game. Uh, Freedman,
- 28:26Speaker 1: you mentioned penalties as a prop to play. Referees tend
- 28:30Speaker 1: to swallow their whistle in these scenarios. Evan, tell us
- 28:35Speaker 1: about Carl Scheffers and what we can expect in Super
- 28:39Speaker 1: Bowl from an officiating point of view, because everybody knows.
- 28:42Speaker 1: Anyone who watches convinced me, which we will of course
- 28:44Speaker 1: have in the Super Bowl Sunday. Uh, everyone knows I'm
- 28:49Speaker 1: a sucker. I'm a sucker for the referee stants. So
- 28:52Speaker 1: what I'm gonna tell you now you've probably heard before
- 28:55Speaker 1: because it's literally been talked about now for a few days,
- 28:57Speaker 1: and you're gonna hear it again and convince me. But
- 29:00Speaker 1: Cheffer's lead referee in the Super Bowl is eleven and
- 29:03Speaker 1: one to the under in twelve playoff games, it's going
- 29:06Speaker 1: under by twelve point nine points per game. Since he's
- 29:10Speaker 1: been the lead official in six playoff games, it's six
- 29:12Speaker 1: and over of the under by fourteen and a half
- 29:14Speaker 1: points per game. You know, referee trends. It all sounds
- 29:18Speaker 1: really good. I like the under as well, so it
- 29:20Speaker 1: even fits my narrative. Um. And in terms of actual
- 29:24Speaker 1: penalty calls, Yeah, I mean, I mean it fits the narrative,
- 29:27Speaker 1: it fits everything we're talking about. But to Freedman's point,
- 29:30Speaker 1: actually did a little bit of research, and usually penalties
- 29:33Speaker 1: are down, Like when you look to the average of
- 29:35Speaker 1: the year and then you looked at how many penalties
- 29:38Speaker 1: actually occurred in the super Bowl, it usually is less.
- 29:41Speaker 1: So to the point where we're gonna see it, I
- 29:44Speaker 1: think it's gonna happen where there's gonna be less calls. Uh.
- 29:47Speaker 1: And I think he's right on that one. All right, Well,
- 29:49Speaker 1: at least people has given us something right now, we
- 29:52Speaker 1: know that we want to bet the under in total penalties?
- 29:56Speaker 1: Have we seen a total penalties prop yet? If we
- 30:00Speaker 1: seen the number I have anyone, I don't believe it's
- 30:04Speaker 1: out yet. I would expect it to be around ten
- 30:06Speaker 1: and a half. Okay, Um, I would say, uh, this,
- 30:13Speaker 1: this this over under thing is killing me because as
- 30:18Speaker 1: much as I hate Freedman, I think he's really good
- 30:20Speaker 1: at this, and I love Simon and he's really good
- 30:22Speaker 1: at this. And they're both on the both on the over,
- 30:24Speaker 1: but I love Evan and Evan is on the under.
- 30:28Speaker 1: And we can find any trends to fit our narrative
- 30:30Speaker 1: that labs. By the way, we did a story yesterday.
- 30:33Speaker 1: They are not that labs. But on our market report,
- 30:35Speaker 1: we did a story yesterday that the money was coming
- 30:38Speaker 1: in on the over. It could have been Simon for
- 30:41Speaker 1: all you know, we're fulfilling the prophecy here, so that
- 30:44Speaker 1: one's killing me. Um, we only got a few minutes
- 30:47Speaker 1: left because Freeman's got a heart out. You know, it's
- 30:50Speaker 1: very important. Uh yeah, you you talked with your CEO.
- 30:54Speaker 1: I have a meeting with my CEO right after this
- 30:56Speaker 1: is done. We're basically mirror images of each other at
- 30:59Speaker 1: this It's so true and it's like a dream come
- 31:01Speaker 1: true for me right now that we get to compare
- 31:03Speaker 1: ourselves to each other. Um. Evan, you got a whole
- 31:07Speaker 1: boatload of stats that we still have to run through, So, uh,
- 31:11Speaker 1: what can you tell me? All I'll say is this,
- 31:13Speaker 1: we've been talking about the over under. I just think
- 31:15Speaker 1: it's interesting looking at Action Network market data right this
- 31:17Speaker 1: second tickets around the under. Uh. The unders only received
- 31:22Speaker 1: public support three times in the Super Bowl over the
- 31:24Speaker 1: last twenty years. I don't think the under is going
- 31:28Speaker 1: to close, but I think it's interesting that early in
- 31:32Speaker 1: the week we're seeing it and in those three games
- 31:35Speaker 1: there was one and two to the under. It means
- 31:36Speaker 1: absolutely nothing, but I think it is interesting that we
- 31:39Speaker 1: are we are seeing public support to the under early
- 31:41Speaker 1: in the week. So that's one note I'll give you
- 31:43Speaker 1: right now. The other note that I do think is
- 31:45Speaker 1: interesting is longest and shortest touchdowns. Freedman was talking about
- 31:50Speaker 1: like game props. The longest touchdown has gone under in
- 31:53Speaker 1: six of the last eight and went over last year
- 31:55Speaker 1: for reference. And the shortest touchdown prop has gone under
- 31:58Speaker 1: an eight to the last ten, three straight. So like
- 32:00Speaker 1: it's usually one and a half yards, and we've seen
- 32:03Speaker 1: one yard touchdowns in the Super Bowl. So that's one
- 32:05Speaker 1: note I think is really interesting that I've bet the
- 32:07Speaker 1: last few years. That's a really tough one. Yeah. The
- 32:14Speaker 1: last one I wanna give you is this one line movement.
- 32:17Speaker 1: I find this fascinating and I use this strictly in
- 32:19Speaker 1: the bet Labs database using one of our filters, follow
- 32:22Speaker 1: a line movement in the Super Bowl. Eighteen times in
- 32:24Speaker 1: Super Bowl history the line has moved one and a
- 32:27Speaker 1: half points or more. Right now, it's actually moved three
- 32:29Speaker 1: and a half points. Casey was minus two now, Phillies
- 32:32Speaker 1: minus one, and a half if you've followed the direction
- 32:35Speaker 1: of the line movement, so minus four to minus six,
- 32:38Speaker 1: plus six to plus four and a half as examples,
- 32:40Speaker 1: you'd be sixteen and two straight up in fourteen and
- 32:43Speaker 1: four against the spread in the Super Bowl. So the
- 32:45Speaker 1: line move is usually the right move. So the line
- 32:48Speaker 1: moved from Kansas City to Philly accurate, Kansas City the
- 32:52Speaker 1: open is the favorite. Some of us, you know, might
- 32:55Speaker 1: have bet Philly a plus one and a half on
- 32:57Speaker 1: Sunday night, uh, and then minutes later that Philly that
- 33:02Speaker 1: get Kansas City minus plus two and a half, so
- 33:05Speaker 1: we might have canceled our bests out. So the line movement,
- 33:08Speaker 1: that's one of the most telling stats I've heard, Evan,
- 33:12Speaker 1: is that the line movement tends to tell you which
- 33:15Speaker 1: side is not just going to win, but which side
- 33:17Speaker 1: is going to cover fourteen and four against the spread
- 33:20Speaker 1: the last eighteen Ah yeah, well it's only happened eighteen
- 33:23Speaker 1: times where it's moved one and a half points or
- 33:25Speaker 1: more so in those eighteen games, sixteen and two, fourteen
- 33:29Speaker 1: and four, So one game, everyone's everyone's moving. It tends
- 33:33Speaker 1: to be the right side, dude. That is a Euridica
- 33:37Speaker 1: stat Freeman is shaking his head. You like like that one, right,
- 33:40Speaker 1: free That's that's a good one, Evan. Before we get
- 33:42Speaker 1: out of here and give us one more for the road, alright, Chad,
- 33:45Speaker 1: So we'll talk about ets for a second. The Chiefs
- 33:48Speaker 1: entered the playoffs with a six and eleven, a t
- 33:50Speaker 1: S record thirty five. In the fifty six year history
- 33:54Speaker 1: of the Super Bowl, there are just four teams that
- 33:56Speaker 1: have made a Super Bowl within against the spread win
- 33:58Speaker 1: percentage below forty percent, and the other three all lost
- 34:01Speaker 1: the game. Dude, it's come on, great, great info by
- 34:10Speaker 1: Evan I and I got gotta do a plug for Evan,
- 34:12Speaker 1: who every week puts out this article that is sort
- 34:16Speaker 1: of like the Primer U digging into the trans for
- 34:19Speaker 1: every game that's on the late must read piece. I
- 34:23Speaker 1: think there are very few people who dig in to
- 34:26Speaker 1: that depth and do it really well. And like Evan,
- 34:29Speaker 1: you pull out a number of stats where I'm just like,
- 34:32Speaker 1: I never what have you even thought to look for
- 34:34Speaker 1: something like this and you find it. I don't know
- 34:36Speaker 1: how you research in that way and then get it
- 34:39Speaker 1: all into that document and do it as quickly as
- 34:42Speaker 1: you do. But that feels like the like one of
- 34:45Speaker 1: those types of stats that I would look at in
- 34:47Speaker 1: that piece each week and just be like, man, I
- 34:49Speaker 1: wish I had known that before I made this betan.
- 34:53Speaker 1: First of all, thank you. It'll be live Monday morning
- 34:55Speaker 1: dot com. Uh and that's that will be right at
- 34:58Speaker 1: the top. So that's all I gotta say. All the
- 35:00Speaker 1: Evan wins the podcast. Um, Matthew Freedman, I love having
- 35:06Speaker 1: you on the podcast, even if I detest the meaning
- 35:10Speaker 1: of your being. I love having you on the podcast.
- 35:13Speaker 1: Fantasy Pros. Everyone should go check it out. Betting Pros.
- 35:16Speaker 1: Everyone should go check it out. Matthew Freeman, Director of Content,
- 35:19Speaker 1: Simon Hunter. I miss you, buddy. I can't wait for
- 35:22Speaker 1: you to come back home. Come back. Oh, you can
- 35:26Speaker 1: detox a little bit before the game. Evan Abrahams, fantastic.
- 35:30Speaker 1: You nailed it with that last stat. That might make
- 35:32Speaker 1: me feel really good about betting the Eagles even more
- 35:35Speaker 1: right now. For Matt Mitchell, our producer, I am Chad Millman.
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