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Cult Mom Lori Vallow: 'I DIDN'T MURDER MY CHILDREN, SEE MY ALIBI' · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece, cult Mom Laurie Valoe and
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Speaker 1: her new husband, the Prophet, And for those of you
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Speaker 1: that can't see me, I am definitely using air quotees
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Speaker 1: on that the husband, Prophet Chad day Belle are furiously
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Speaker 1: fighting right now in a court of law against the
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Speaker 1: death penalty. There is a bill sitting on the Governor's
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Speaker 1: desk right now to reinstitute I believe it is the
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Speaker 1: firing squad. So I guess they are fighting tooth and
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Speaker 1: claw to get the death penalty thrown out in the case,
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Speaker 1: the case involving the murders of Laurie Valo's two children.
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Speaker 1: And let's see, there's so many dead bodies. Actually think
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Speaker 1: about it for a moment. Then you've got Timmy day
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Speaker 1: Bell who just turns up ditch. She was healthy as
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Speaker 1: a horse, running marathons. But oh yes, I guess we
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Speaker 1: should have seen it coming because her prophet husband had
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Speaker 1: a premonition that she would be dead soon. I guess
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Speaker 1: that's why he went ahead and agreed to get a
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Speaker 1: new outfit for his wedding to cult Mom Laurie Valo.
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Speaker 1: Then you have the specter of cult Mom Laurie Valo's
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Speaker 1: dead brother, her so called avenging Angel. What really happened
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Speaker 1: to him? And yes, there is a husband floating around
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Speaker 1: in the background. He's dead. He was shot dead in
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Speaker 1: front of Laurie Valo. How do I know who was
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Speaker 1: holding the gun? Oh? Yes, And there's another dead body
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Speaker 1: that would be of an earlier husband, Joseph Ryan. His
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Speaker 1: body was largely decomposing before he was found, so we're
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Speaker 1: not really exactly sure what happened to him. All that said,
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Speaker 1: I mean, see Grace and this is Crime Stories. Thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us here at Fox Nation in
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Speaker 1: series XM one eleven. You may need to sit down
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Speaker 1: for this or possibly lay down. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our franc A KT. New details in the case of
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Speaker 1: Lorie Valo day Bell and her husband at Chad day Bell.
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Speaker 1: Her attorneys filed several new documents in Fremont County this week,
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Speaker 1: including one with information about where she says she was
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Speaker 1: when her children died. Attorneys for Lorie Valo day Bell
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Speaker 1: filed several new documents in Fremont County, including one that
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Speaker 1: gives an alibi for where Laurie was when the murders happened.
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Speaker 1: Valo day Belle is charged with first degree murder, conspiracy
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Speaker 1: to commit murder, and grand theft in the deaths of
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Speaker 1: her children, JJ Valo and Tylie Ryan. She's also charged
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Speaker 1: in connection with the death of her fourth husband, Charles Valo,
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Speaker 1: and in the death of Tammy day Bell. Tammy was
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Speaker 1: Chad day Belle's wife. She died just weeks before he
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Speaker 1: married Laurie. Wow, that's convenient how that whole thing worked out.
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Speaker 1: If I turn up dead in my bed and my
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Speaker 1: husband rushes out and remarries Jackie, get him prosecuted. Okay,
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Speaker 1: what if I'm the bride, Well if you're in the bride, well, okay,
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Speaker 1: I'll come back from the dead and haut both of you.
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Speaker 1: But what did I just hear? Alibi called mom? Laurie
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Speaker 1: Valo has an alibi for the time of them, aren't really?
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Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear this. Take listen to our
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Speaker 1: physic KTVB. Lorie Valo Dayvill's attorneys filed a notice of
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Speaker 1: alibi claim. In that document, they say Valo day Belle
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Speaker 1: was in her Rexburg apartment when JJ Entiley died. They
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Speaker 1: were last seen in September of twenty nineteen. Their remains
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Speaker 1: were found in June of twenty twenty, buried on Chad
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Speaker 1: Dayville's Idaho property. It's still unclear when and how they
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Speaker 1: actually died. New documents now claimed the children died inside
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Speaker 1: her brother Alex cox is nearby apartment in Rexburg. It
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Speaker 1: also claims Vala was in Hawaii in October of twenty
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Speaker 1: nineteen with her niece Melanie Boudreau, and a woman by
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Speaker 1: the name of Audrey Baratio, when Jad's wife Tammy died
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Speaker 1: in their home in Stalem, Idaho, Okay. There's the alibis
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Speaker 1: joining me an all star panel to make sense the evidence.
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Speaker 1: We are just learning. But first I want to go
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Speaker 1: out to special guests. Nate Eating, the news director East
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Speaker 1: Idaho News dot com. You can find them on Twitter
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Speaker 1: at Nate News now on Insta at Nate dot Eating. Nadine,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. The first time I
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Speaker 1: believe I ever saw you, it was your hand and
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Speaker 1: you had a recorder and you were running along and
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Speaker 1: keeping up with Cultmam Laurie Valo in Hawaii asking her
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Speaker 1: questions about her children. You ferreted her out across the ocean.
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Speaker 1: You find her and you hound her with questions as
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Speaker 1: you should have because they were dead. They were dead
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Speaker 1: and you were on the trail. Okay alibi? So is
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Speaker 1: this Am I understanding that the alibi is, oh, I
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Speaker 1: was an apartment four B when they my children were killed.
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Speaker 1: An apartment for d that's the alibi. Yeah, pretty much.
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Speaker 1: They lived at the same apartment complex. And she's saying
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Speaker 1: I was in my apartment, the kids were in Alex's apartment, who,
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Speaker 1: by the way, is dead, her brother. And she says
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Speaker 1: when Tammy died, she was in Hawaii. So that's her alibi.
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Speaker 1: Nte Eton, you're burying the lead and you are a
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Speaker 1: veteran news guy. She was in Hawaii getting ready for
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Speaker 1: her wedding, right to Tammy Daviel's husband. Well, correct, yeah,
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Speaker 1: and Chad her that husband was at the house in
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Speaker 1: Idaho when Tammy died. So why was Lorie Valo in Hawaii?
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Speaker 1: May I ask? Well, she says she was there with
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Speaker 1: a friend. We don't know. So what we do know
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Speaker 1: is that the allaby Dave after this was filed, Nancy
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Speaker 1: and said that sufficient evidence exists that will show Laurie
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Speaker 1: and her boyfriend intended for those kids and her boyfriend's
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Speaker 1: like to die and that they affirmanently, affirmatively acted to
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Speaker 1: make those deaths happen. You know, Nate, I hardly even
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Speaker 1: know where to start. I'm always drawn back to their
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Speaker 1: wacky cult beliefs. Now, I understand that they their cult
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Speaker 1: beliefs he was the prophet included only a certain number
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Speaker 1: of people getting to go to heaven. Was it like
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Speaker 1: one hundred and fourteen thousand or one hundred and forty thousand?
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Speaker 1: Is that right? One of those numbers, there was one
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Speaker 1: hundred and forty four thousand, and that Laurie and Chad
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Speaker 1: would lead in the second coming of Jesus Christ. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I try not to throw his name around if I
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Speaker 1: don't have to. But that said, that was a reprimand
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Speaker 1: to you, Nate eight. But Jack, I guess you and
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Speaker 1: are out. Yeah, because if there's only one hundred and
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Speaker 1: forty four thous some people that are going to make
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Speaker 1: it into Heaven from the beginning of time, Okay, I'll
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Speaker 1: speak for myself. I'm out. No matter how hard I try,
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to make that cut. But not only that,
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Speaker 1: they also believe that people became zombies and I'm not kidding,
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Speaker 1: and that once they became zombie is the only way
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Speaker 1: that you could save their immortal soul is to kill
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Speaker 1: their earthly body, including her children. Is that right, Nate Eten? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: they believe that both of the children became possessed by
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Speaker 1: these zombies. And remember Charles Valo, her fourth husband, also
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Speaker 1: became possessed by a zombie called ned Schneider. She was
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Speaker 1: telling people that that Charles is no longer Charles, He's
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Speaker 1: now a zombie. She said, jj became a zombie, told
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Speaker 1: her close friends because he was climbing up on the
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Speaker 1: counters and he knocked down a picture of Jesus Christ
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Speaker 1: from the fridge, and that because of that, she said,
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Speaker 1: he was a zombie and needed to be taken care of. Okay,
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Speaker 1: before I go prancing down the garden path, they're crazy beliefs.
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Speaker 1: Do they title themselves as fdls. No, this would be
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Speaker 1: completely separate. They're not FLDS. They're not into polygamy as
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Speaker 1: far as we know. Okay, wait, did they claim they
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Speaker 1: were FLDS. No, No they did not, because I bet
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Speaker 1: they're spinning on their here to be even remotely connected
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Speaker 1: to Lorie Valor and Chad day Bell. Yeah, they said that.
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Speaker 1: They called themselves the Church of the firstborn. Okay, what
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Speaker 1: does that mean? Does this have suddenly to do with
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Speaker 1: a passover? Were the firstborn of every family? The son
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Speaker 1: was killed? No? I well, I honestly don't know all
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Speaker 1: of the deep religious beliefs Nancy. But if you read
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Speaker 1: through Chad day Bel's books, which I'm sure you want
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Speaker 1: to do, do I have to? There's there's multiple writing
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Speaker 1: that he believed he truly was chosen. Yeah, he shows
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Speaker 1: them for a grand jury indictment. That's what he was
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Speaker 1: chosen for. Okay, guys, you're hearing Nate Eton, the news
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Speaker 1: director East News dot Com. The trial is coming up first, Nate,
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Speaker 1: who it's a skunk that filed a speedy Laurie will not.
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Speaker 1: Laurie refuses to waive her right to a speedy trial.
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Speaker 1: She wants to go before a jury. She believes she
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Speaker 1: will be walking out of the courthouse a free woman
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Speaker 1: in just a few weeks. Chad has waived his right
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Speaker 1: to a speedy trials. The judge has severed the cases.
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Speaker 1: That's fairly new. These two are going to be held
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Speaker 1: together before a jury. Nate Eton, did I not tell
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Speaker 1: you the cases would be severed? You called it? You
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Speaker 1: called it? I mean, you know, but I can't take
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Speaker 1: a lot of credit for it. I can put the
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Speaker 1: credit to the US Supreme Court with me. David Leroy,
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Speaker 1: attorney at law in Idaho, former Idaho Attorney General, former
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Speaker 1: Idaho Lieutenant Government, former prosecutor. You can find him at
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Speaker 1: d Leroy dot com. David, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's the law nobody can really fight with.
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Speaker 1: If there are two co defendants and they're both going
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Speaker 1: to face the death penalty, and if anywhere in the
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Speaker 1: mix there is an interlocking statement. In other words, she
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Speaker 1: says he did it and he says she did it,
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Speaker 1: then you really need to sever that because it's the
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Speaker 1: sixth Amendment issue. Because if I say Jackie did it,
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Speaker 1: and Jackie says Nancy did it. But what if I
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Speaker 1: don't take the stand and she is claiming I said X, Y,
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Speaker 1: and Z, that no one will have a right to
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Speaker 1: cross examine me, which is a right guaranteed on the Constitution.
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Speaker 1: So when you have interlocking statements like that, the best
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Speaker 1: thing to do is sever the cases and try them separately.
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Speaker 1: It's law as old as the Hills. Leroy absolutely right.
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Speaker 1: Nancy and well said, on the other hand, We've always
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Speaker 1: had a push pull in this case too, and that
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Speaker 1: Chad's lawyer has consistently said that he's not ready for trial,
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Speaker 1: and Laurie's people have we wish to go forward fairly swiftly.
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Speaker 1: So that also was an additional pressure on the judge
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Speaker 1: and suffering these cases. Yet, now, as we've just had
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Speaker 1: an information dump of some three to five thousand pages
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Speaker 1: of material and hours of tape, Laurie's lawyers are having
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Speaker 1: a hearing on a motion in lemony to preclude the
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Speaker 1: use of certain evidence to the prosecutor because it's late discovered.
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Speaker 1: Whoa wait a minute, Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Nate,
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Speaker 1: when's the trial date? Laurie goes to trial April third.
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Speaker 1: When did they get the information? They received it just
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Speaker 1: here in the last few days. Well, right when I
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Speaker 1: believe the motion alemony was filed just four or five
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Speaker 1: days ago. When was it dada dump around the thirteenth
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Speaker 1: or fourteenth of this month? Oh okay, well, you know
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Speaker 1: what that's time under the statute. If the trial is
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Speaker 1: April to third, when I would try felonies, of course
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Speaker 1: I would get the information, all the information to the
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Speaker 1: defense as soon as I could do it. But under
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Speaker 1: the statute, I think it's two weeks. It may vary
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Speaker 1: in other jurisdictions, but thirteenth and they got the information
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Speaker 1: on the thirteenth. By the twenty seventh, it's time for trial. Hi, guys,
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Speaker 1: what I say, the state has to hand over information.
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Speaker 1: I mean any new witnesses in some jurisdictions, witness statements
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Speaker 1: if it's a DP death penalty, yes, witness statements, scientific
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Speaker 1: evidence such as anything the crime lab analyzed. If there
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Speaker 1: is any other information that could be exculpatory under Brady v. Maryland,
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Speaker 1: in other words, that might prove the innocence of the defendants,
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Speaker 1: you have to hand that over. But I imagine the
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Speaker 1: state handed this over just in the deadline. So if
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Speaker 1: they want a delay, they lose their right to a
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Speaker 1: speedy trial. Agree, disagreed, David Leroy. Oh, there's an argument
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Speaker 1: here about whether they meet the deadline. The judge said
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Speaker 1: before February twenty seventh. They state disclosed at four o'clock
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Speaker 1: in the afternoon on the twenty seventh, So that's part
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Speaker 1: of the argument. Oh excuse me, where's the end of
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Speaker 1: the business date at the courthouse? Is it not five o'clock? Well,
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Speaker 1: whether you're making five o'clock hearing or five o'clock cutoff
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Speaker 1: date is important. But the operative words here where the
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Speaker 1: judge said before February twenty seventh, and they file it
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Speaker 1: on the February twenty seventh. That's your argument. But the
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Speaker 1: real issue is the volume of this material. The defense
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Speaker 1: is alleging that four thousand, nine hundred thirty three pages
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Speaker 1: of material, forty eight audio files containing thirty hours of
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Speaker 1: interview is just too much, even that late in the
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Speaker 1: discovery cycle. Yeah, Cry, cry cry, They got it on time.
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Speaker 1: They're the ones that want the speedy trial, and they
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Speaker 1: will get it. You know. Oscar Wild said it best
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Speaker 1: be careful what you ask, my dear for you will
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Speaker 1: surely get it. Guys, That's not all that's happening. Alluded
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Speaker 1: to this earlier, a desperate tooth and claw fight to
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Speaker 1: get the death penalty off the table. Take a list
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Speaker 1: our friends at KTVB. Vellows attorneys are also asking the
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Speaker 1: judge to take the death penalty off the table. They
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Speaker 1: say Valo did not kill or conspire to kill her
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Speaker 1: children J. J and Highly or Tammy day Bell. Therefore,
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Speaker 1: they say she should not be eligible for the death penalty.
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Speaker 1: Vellows attorneys have also filed a motion to not raise
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Speaker 1: a mental health defense in her trial. The motion also says,
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Speaker 1: although still suffering from a mental illness. The defendant is
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Speaker 1: taking an active role in her defense. She's not authorized
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Speaker 1: her attorneys to proceed with a mental health defense in
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Speaker 1: the guilt phase portion of the trial night Eton and Idaho.
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Speaker 1: Is there an insanity or mental health defense. There is not.
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Speaker 1: There is not an insanity defense. It's you're found incompetent
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Speaker 1: for trial, which that's happened twice. Now with Laurie. Your
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Speaker 1: case just gets put on hold. But the judge has
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Speaker 1: deemed her competent. Medical professionals have said she's competent, so
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Speaker 1: mental illness will not be brought into the main portion
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Speaker 1: of the trial. Now. Her attorneys have said when it
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Speaker 1: gets into if she has found guilty during the death
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Speaker 1: penalty sentencing phase, they will bring in mental health experts
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Speaker 1: to talk about her her mental conditions. Her mental health
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Speaker 1: is mitigation in sentencing. Okay, guys, you know what, speaking
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Speaker 1: of all this seems like some things never in the
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Speaker 1: take us into Shira Matsuzua. Attorneys for both Lori and
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Speaker 1: Chad are asking the judge to allow the couple and
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Speaker 1: their attorneys to meet in private. They're asking for them
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Speaker 1: to be able to talk in person and on the
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Speaker 1: phone about their options. However, they're asking that those conversations
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Speaker 1: not be recorded or used as evidence. Right, Aton, Why
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Speaker 1: don't these two just get a round and be done
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Speaker 1: with it? Sounds like Laurie Valo is itching to see
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Speaker 1: her what is it? Fourth husband? Not judging the prophet
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Speaker 1: Chad day Bel and he's like, eh, okay, Nith not really,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like he wants to get with her. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's the interesting thing. It's actually her fifth husband, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: Oh sorry, if these two were really you know, I
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Speaker 1: don't know, in love, would you not want to be
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Speaker 1: tried with your spouse? Would you not want to go
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Speaker 1: forth and have the trial that they could never see
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Speaker 1: each other again? If she found guilty and goes away
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Speaker 1: for life and then his trial, it will be later
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Speaker 1: this year or early next year. She's not going to
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Speaker 1: show up there, so do you clearly wants to move
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Speaker 1: forward with her trial. He's asking for more time and
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Speaker 1: he will get that time too. Rich Robertson joining us
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Speaker 1: Arizona based private investigator for Brandon Bordeaux, Boudreau and Larry
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Speaker 1: and kay Wood caught the grandparents of Tyle and JJ,
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Speaker 1: owner of R three Investigations. You can find them at
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Speaker 1: R three the letter are the number three investigations dot com. Now,
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Speaker 1: when I say the grandparents to Tylie and JJ, it's
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Speaker 1: really grandparents to JJ. Is that right, Rich Robertson, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's correct. You know it's a complicated family tree. But
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Speaker 1: Kay is Charles Valo's brother. But because Charles adopted JJ
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Speaker 1: from a who is the biological son of a sibling,
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Speaker 1: Kay also became the grandparents. Gotcha? So JJ's an adopted
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Speaker 1: child of Valet Charles free yep? Okay, did Lorie Valo
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Speaker 1: also adopt him? Correct? Yes? Okay? Well, when you hear
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Speaker 1: all of the discussion regarding Lorie Valo being insane, I
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Speaker 1: would say crazy more crazy like a fox? Well, you know,
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Speaker 1: I mean obviously from the outside your is it crazy
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Speaker 1: or is it manipulative? Um? You know it appears she
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Speaker 1: was going down a rabbit hole? Are these uh? Is
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Speaker 1: this insanity or deeply held religious beliefs? How? You know?
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Speaker 1: Where's where's the line? And all of us have been
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Speaker 1: sitting around for several years trying to find some rational
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Speaker 1: acts explanation for these irrational acts. I don't know that
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Speaker 1: we'll ever have a clear answer about that. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's interesting Karen starring joining menowned Psychologists, Joining us out
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Speaker 1: of Manhattan. You can find her at Karen Stark dot
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Speaker 1: com Karen with a C Karen. Every time a mother
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Speaker 1: kills her, how much less two of them? The public
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Speaker 1: people in general say she's crazy, because what mother would
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Speaker 1: kill their child? That is absolutely not true. Thank tot, Mom,
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Speaker 1: Casey Anthony. She's not crazy. I'll tell you, Nancy, Matricide
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Speaker 1: is so hard for people to accept when a mother
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Speaker 1: kills a child. It goes against all the natural instincts.
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Speaker 1: I think about you and the twins, and that's the
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Speaker 1: connection that you have with your children. And I really
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Speaker 1: believe that that's what's behind everybody thinking that she must
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Speaker 1: have been crazy. But it isn't true. I mean, there's
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Speaker 1: too much that was intentional. She shows that she knows
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Speaker 1: the difference between right and wrong, and all of the talk,
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Speaker 1: the cold talk, I don't really buy it. I think
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Speaker 1: this woman knew exactly what she was doing. How convenient
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Speaker 1: to get rid of a husband and get rid of
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Speaker 1: the person who killed him, and then get rid of
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Speaker 1: her children and just start all over again. You know
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Speaker 1: what we're getting up all involved in the minetia of
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Speaker 1: the legal maneuverings and what's happening. It's a little bit
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Speaker 1: of inside baseball. Let's bring it all home. Okay, I'm
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Speaker 1: going out of order. Jack. Let's go to cut forty eight.
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Speaker 1: This is what this trial is all about. While you
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Speaker 1: were in that area, did you have a chance to
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Speaker 1: further observe art excavate that area you referred to as
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Speaker 1: the pet cemetery. Yes, okay, what did you observe? I
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Speaker 1: had been away from that area, but when I returned
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Speaker 1: to that area, they had already dug down and located
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Speaker 1: well what would appeared to be a mass of burnt
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Speaker 1: flesh and charred bone. Saw that was left of tying
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Speaker 1: the beautiful teen girl, a mass burnt flesh and charred
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Speaker 1: bone to you, Nate Eton, Let's be more specific. While
22:15
Speaker 1: apparently JJ was handled a little more reverently after his murder,
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Speaker 1: this little boy, just seven years old, his sister, Tylely
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Speaker 1: was treated in the worst way. Describe the condition of
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Speaker 1: her body. Unfortunately, there wasn't much of her body left.
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Speaker 1: It was burned, There were charred remains. The investigators were
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Speaker 1: on the ground with tools, sifting through dirt looking for
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Speaker 1: any sign of her, and they found a few pieces
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Speaker 1: of flesh and a couple of bones, and that was it.
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Speaker 1: How would that happen? Though? I don't get it? Joining
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Speaker 1: d Michelle Dupree MD dot com. Doctor Dupree. What does
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Speaker 1: that mean? A mass of burnt flesh and charred bone? Nancy?
23:33
Speaker 1: It means that there was a very hot fire, and
23:36
Speaker 1: it means that there is not very much left of
23:38
Speaker 1: this person. It probably had some incendiary substance in order
23:43
Speaker 1: to get it that hot and basically do destroy all
23:46
Speaker 1: signs of this person. Isn't it true, Nate Eton, that
23:49
Speaker 1: some of her remains were in a bucket? Yeah, that's
23:51
Speaker 1: the investigators were transported her that way, and there was
23:54
Speaker 1: a bucket out there at the scene, and you know,
23:58
Speaker 1: you may we're called it. We talked about the neighbor
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Speaker 1: who saw a bonfire burning out there, a big bonfire
24:05
Speaker 1: for days, and that you know, that's not too abnormal
24:08
Speaker 1: for our part of the country. It was fall so
24:10
Speaker 1: people burned leaves, they burned debris, and so this neighbor
24:13
Speaker 1: didn't think much of it until you know the tragic
24:16
Speaker 1: discovery of these bodies. You're giving me a horrible flashback
24:20
Speaker 1: the Stephen Avery case, who became a media darling with
24:24
Speaker 1: the dropping a special I hate to even call it
24:30
Speaker 1: an investigation making a murderer. The case of Teresa Hallback,
24:35
Speaker 1: a young photographer who was last known to be at
24:38
Speaker 1: Stephen Avery's home. At his request to take photos of
24:42
Speaker 1: an automobile to go in the Auto Trader magazine, he
24:47
Speaker 1: stirred a bonfire in his backyard. For days, friends and
24:53
Speaker 1: relatives saw him doing it. The studs offered Daisy flint
24:58
Speaker 1: as jeans or found there most of her body burned
25:04
Speaker 1: beyond recognition. Just in this case, charred bones and a
25:09
Speaker 1: bucket of flesh. A bucket of flesh, A bucket of flesh.
25:16
Speaker 1: That is what has left of Tyley and Chad day
25:20
Speaker 1: Bell's back yard. But what about little JJ, what about him?
25:26
Speaker 1: Listen to this? The emmy grabbed a small sharp instrument
25:33
Speaker 1: and cut down the middle of the black plastic. Okay,
25:39
Speaker 1: all right, and what did you observe? I observed a
25:44
Speaker 1: small child in red pajamas, red pajama shirt, red pajama pants,
25:54
Speaker 1: black socks that had the words sketchers in orange across
25:59
Speaker 1: the toe. Also observed a light and blue blanket that
26:04
Speaker 1: had been placed on top of him. Okay, detective, were
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Speaker 1: there when you observed what you pursued to be a child?
26:16
Speaker 1: Where there was there anything that drew your attention? Yes?
26:22
Speaker 1: And describe one of you described for the court what
26:27
Speaker 1: drew your attention, the amount of duct tape that was
26:31
Speaker 1: covering the body. Isn't it true? Nate Eton that according
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Speaker 1: to cultman Laurie Valo, she's admitting to JJ being in
26:40
Speaker 1: her apartment the night that he's murdered, wearing red pajamas
26:44
Speaker 1: and black socks, and she claims her brother, Alex Cox,
26:50
Speaker 1: took him out of her apartment. Isn't that true? He's
26:53
Speaker 1: wearing the same exact thing he's wearing when his body's found. Yeah.
26:56
Speaker 1: A friend who was there with Laurie told investigators that
26:59
Speaker 1: JJ was in their apartment that night, just hours before
27:03
Speaker 1: police believed he died, that he wasn't in bred pajamas,
27:07
Speaker 1: and that Alex carried him out of the house away
27:09
Speaker 1: from cultman Laurie Vallo. And how long was it until
27:12
Speaker 1: he was reported missing? He was not That was in September.
27:15
Speaker 1: He was not reported missing when his grandparents called the police.
27:17
Speaker 1: The investigation began in December, so that was three months.
27:21
Speaker 1: But police believed that it was that within that twenty
27:24
Speaker 1: four hour time period when they walked, when Alex walked
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Speaker 1: him out of the apartment, that he was then killed.
27:29
Speaker 1: We still don't know how he was killed, but he
27:32
Speaker 1: was killed and then taken over to Chad Dave Belle's
27:35
Speaker 1: property and buried. And we know that Alex was there
27:37
Speaker 1: because cell phone data. His phone was pinging there on
27:40
Speaker 1: the property at that time. And Nancy, that's the same
27:43
Speaker 1: day that Chad day Bell sent that text to his
27:46
Speaker 1: wife who was at work, saying, I saw a raccoon
27:49
Speaker 1: in the yard in the middle of the day. Don
27:52
Speaker 1: had to bury him in the cemetery. You mean the
27:55
Speaker 1: non internal creature raccane was in the yard in the
27:57
Speaker 1: middle of the day, correct, Yeah, Okay, Well there's more
28:00
Speaker 1: about the discovery a little JJ Valo's body. Take a
28:04
Speaker 1: listen to Detective Raye Hermco. They remove some soil and
28:11
Speaker 1: there was a once they removed some soil there was
28:15
Speaker 1: a black what I can best describe as a black
28:22
Speaker 1: plastic bag with a round object protruding through the dirt. Okay,
28:30
Speaker 1: what did you observe the er team do after you
28:33
Speaker 1: saw that? They dug a little bit more around the
28:38
Speaker 1: round object, which appeared to me to be the crown
28:41
Speaker 1: of a head protruding through the dirt. They used a
28:45
Speaker 1: small sharp instrument to cut through the black plastic. It
28:49
Speaker 1: was a white plastic underneath the black plastic, and they
28:52
Speaker 1: also used the white instrument to cut through the white plastic. Okay,
28:57
Speaker 1: and what did you observe when they did that? I
29:00
Speaker 1: observed what looked to be brown human here. It was
29:04
Speaker 1: JJ's head. That's what they're talking about. And isn't true
29:08
Speaker 1: Nate eating that during this time when authorities investigators were
29:13
Speaker 1: there digging up the children's bodies on Chad day Belle's
29:16
Speaker 1: property in his so called pet cemetery, that Laurie Valo
29:22
Speaker 1: called him, they had a phone call. I don't know
29:25
Speaker 1: who called who, And the first question was did they
29:28
Speaker 1: find anything not like what the cops searcher? I mean,
29:32
Speaker 1: if the cops came into our house and I called
29:34
Speaker 1: my husband, he was saying, why are the cops there, Well,
29:37
Speaker 1: what's happening? But instead the question was did they find anything? Yeah,
29:42
Speaker 1: Laurie was in jail. Chad made contact with her and
29:45
Speaker 1: that call has been released, and he sounds quite concerned
29:49
Speaker 1: and said the police are at the house. And she responded,
29:52
Speaker 1: not where were the exact wording something like in the
29:55
Speaker 1: house or in the yard, something along those lines of
29:59
Speaker 1: and he said they're in the yard, and he sounds
30:03
Speaker 1: somewhat upbeat. He sounds very concerned. That was the last
30:07
Speaker 1: call they had with each other, because minutes later tat
30:10
Speaker 1: Dave Belle was put in harm cuffs and taken to jail.
30:12
Speaker 1: Rich Robertson is with US Arizona based private investigator for
30:15
Speaker 1: Brandon Boudreau and Larry and Kay Woodcock from our three investigations.
30:23
Speaker 1: Boudreau is related to called mom Laurie Valo by marriage.
30:30
Speaker 1: He's married to one of Valows I think niece. Rich Robertson,
30:35
Speaker 1: what if anything have you learned about Laurie Valo and
30:39
Speaker 1: Chad day Bell during your investigations. Well, I got involved
30:42
Speaker 1: in this thing shortly after in well in the fall
30:46
Speaker 1: of twenty nineteen, and as things were starting to develop. Charles,
30:51
Speaker 1: of course was shot to death in July of twenty nineteen,
30:55
Speaker 1: and there was a drive by shooting that targeted Brandon
30:58
Speaker 1: Boudreau in October, and and so right around that time
31:04
Speaker 1: we now know, is when both of the children apparently
31:08
Speaker 1: were killed, and so everything was kind of happening at
31:12
Speaker 1: that point. When I first met with with Brandon, he
31:16
Speaker 1: was telling me wild stories about Marie Vallo and relationship
31:22
Speaker 1: with U Chad day Bell and the group in Idaho
31:27
Speaker 1: that was kind of the Students Day Group, how this
31:32
Speaker 1: had been evolving over time, how his wife got sucked
31:35
Speaker 1: into it by her aunt Lourie Um. So there was
31:39
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of activity occurring in that
31:43
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen time period, and leading up to it, all
31:47
Speaker 1: of the all of the talk of end times and
31:51
Speaker 1: showsen and zombies and all that stuff was was was
31:55
Speaker 1: definitely at a at a peak right around then. Guys,
31:58
Speaker 1: I want to take a list of our cut start
32:00
Speaker 1: d as in Delta, our friends at kat VB September
32:04
Speaker 1: twenty second, the last time JJ Vaalo was seen. Police
32:08
Speaker 1: interviewed Melanie Gibb and her boyfriend David Warwick, who were
32:11
Speaker 1: visiting Lorie that weekend. They told police Laurie said JJ
32:15
Speaker 1: had turned into a zombie. The next morning, September twenty third,
32:18
Speaker 1: between eight and nine am, Warwick didn't see JJ and
32:22
Speaker 1: asked where he was. Burie stated he was acting out,
32:25
Speaker 1: so quote Alex had come and taken JJ. GPS data
32:29
Speaker 1: once again puts Alex on Chad's property that day from
32:32
Speaker 1: nine fifty five am until ten to twelve am, paying
32:35
Speaker 1: near the pond. All this evidence started coming to light
32:38
Speaker 1: around the first part of June twenty twenty. Just days later,
32:42
Speaker 1: June ninth, police searched Chad's property. They focused on sites
32:46
Speaker 1: corresponding to the GPS from Alex's phone and the strange
32:49
Speaker 1: text to Tammy. JJ and Highly's bodies were found in
32:53
Speaker 1: those areas, near the pond and fire pit. Time stories
33:11
Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace straight back out to veterans trial lawyer
33:17
Speaker 1: David Leroy, attorney at law in Idaho. David, that is
33:24
Speaker 1: not a defense. It's not like self defense or accident,
33:27
Speaker 1: which you're both complete defenses under the law if they
33:30
Speaker 1: can be proven in court. He's a zombie, so I
33:34
Speaker 1: had to kill him. That's not going to work. That's
33:37
Speaker 1: certainly won't try. And I am presuming that Laurie will
33:42
Speaker 1: know nothing about nothing here. She may have innocently been
33:46
Speaker 1: involved in some communications, but her alibi defense, as weak
33:51
Speaker 1: as it is, will probably be presented the over and
33:54
Speaker 1: over and over. But I mean, the hard reality is
33:58
Speaker 1: that even if you choose to believe what she's saying,
34:02
Speaker 1: you would have to believe that JJ quote acted out
34:06
Speaker 1: and accidentally knocked over a photograph of Christ, that she
34:11
Speaker 1: declared he's a zombie. Those are her words to two witnesses,
34:15
Speaker 1: and that she had her brother, her so called by
34:17
Speaker 1: her own words, avenging Angel, take JJ seven years old
34:23
Speaker 1: away and what she never saw him again. Months passes,
34:28
Speaker 1: she never reports him missing and then calls her new
34:32
Speaker 1: prophet husband on the phone and says, Hey, are they
34:35
Speaker 1: searching in the yard or the house? Have they found anything? Well,
34:38
Speaker 1: I've silence that occurred between September and December is extremely
34:44
Speaker 1: eloquent and will mean quite a bit to a jury
34:47
Speaker 1: that seems. Silence that drove need Eaton to Hawaii with
34:50
Speaker 1: his recorder in Tammy's face really is what the case
34:55
Speaker 1: is all about in many respects. I mean, for Pete's sake,
34:58
Speaker 1: Karen Stark, if the children don't come to the car,
35:02
Speaker 1: at three fifteen, I think that they've obviously been hidden
35:06
Speaker 1: at for Pete's sake, and start trying to call them
35:08
Speaker 1: on their cell phones. But months go by and she can't.
35:13
Speaker 1: She hasn't seen her child, and now she wants me
35:17
Speaker 1: to believe that she had nothing to do with the
35:19
Speaker 1: child's murder the night he was taken from her home.
35:22
Speaker 1: That's her best case story. Karen Stark and Nancy, we
35:27
Speaker 1: don't we know. I mean, this just doesn't make sense. Really,
35:31
Speaker 1: your child is missing for that long? Is he visiting
35:34
Speaker 1: with the zombie? I mean that is not a logical
35:38
Speaker 1: thing and it's not emotional. You want to know where
35:42
Speaker 1: your children are. And I don't fight for a second
35:46
Speaker 1: that she believed he was safe with her brother, or
35:49
Speaker 1: she absolutely knew that something was wrong and knew where
35:54
Speaker 1: the burials were as well. Dotnchel Dupree jumping off what
35:58
Speaker 1: Karen Stark just said. I want to talk to you.
36:00
Speaker 1: And this became so critical. As you and I said
36:03
Speaker 1: in our one hour one after Maggie and Paul Murdog
36:09
Speaker 1: were found murdered, we said, we need to establish time
36:13
Speaker 1: of death because that is going to be the entire case.
36:18
Speaker 1: The time of death could you do it through coagulated blood?
36:21
Speaker 1: Could you do it through extrinsic evidence such as cell
36:24
Speaker 1: phone data? And that's how it was done through a
36:29
Speaker 1: cell phone video that day. So medical examiners like yourself
36:33
Speaker 1: look not only at the body, but at extrinsic evidence
36:36
Speaker 1: such as the last post on social the last text,
36:40
Speaker 1: the last video, the last picture, the last group chat.
36:44
Speaker 1: So here, doctor Michelle Dupre, based on the bodies themselves,
36:48
Speaker 1: of course, we'll have to talk about just Jajason's tile.
36:51
Speaker 1: These body has been disseminated and burned into a bucket
36:53
Speaker 1: of fat, doctor Dupre. How can we or can we
36:58
Speaker 1: date the time of death all of those things that
37:01
Speaker 1: you were saying, Nancy, We have to estimate the time
37:05
Speaker 1: of death, and it depends on so many different variables.
37:07
Speaker 1: But certainly we look at the surroundings of where the
37:10
Speaker 1: body is found to see if there are anything that
37:12
Speaker 1: we call seeing markers. You know, what would be the
37:16
Speaker 1: range of time as far as pen pointing it to
37:19
Speaker 1: an exact date in an exact hour. That may be impossible,
37:22
Speaker 1: certainly as time passes, but we can get a very
37:25
Speaker 1: good estimate. And as you said, finding that time is
37:28
Speaker 1: so important because that places that child with a particular
37:31
Speaker 1: person or in a particular place at that time of death. Hey,
37:35
Speaker 1: Nate Eat in question? You Nate eating on the story
37:37
Speaker 1: from the beginning, news director East Idaho News dot Com
37:40
Speaker 1: the cell phone payings Lorie Valo's brother or Alex Cox.
37:44
Speaker 1: Do they follow him the night that JJ is taken
37:49
Speaker 1: out of the apartment? Yeah, they do. And what's interesting
37:52
Speaker 1: is that it shows that he was in Lorie's apartment
37:55
Speaker 1: lates and then he was in his apartment, and then
37:58
Speaker 1: hours later he was at had And there was no
38:01
Speaker 1: other history as far as investigators could find, that showed
38:05
Speaker 1: him at Laurie's apartment that late, or that showed him
38:08
Speaker 1: out at Chad Dave Bell's property. They even know that
38:11
Speaker 1: after he spent several hours at Chad Dave Bell's property,
38:14
Speaker 1: he went to a taco restaurant. He went and got
38:16
Speaker 1: tacos and then went to his house. So they're able
38:19
Speaker 1: to track his movements during that time. And what a
38:22
Speaker 1: coincidence around this time's band Chad Dave Bell's wife Tammy
38:28
Speaker 1: just dies in her sleep. Take a listen to arcot
38:33
Speaker 1: September twenty three. This is the last time anyone reported
38:36
Speaker 1: seeing the children, JJ and Tyley at school in Rexburg, Idaho,
38:41
Speaker 1: but nobody reported them missing until about two months later.
38:45
Speaker 1: So let's talk about Chad Dave Bell's wife, Tammy. Her
38:48
Speaker 1: dad tells me she was alive and well. On October fourth,
38:52
Speaker 1: she drove down from Rexburg to visit her parents in Springville, Utah.
38:56
Speaker 1: But two weeks later, on October nineteenth, the parent it's
39:00
Speaker 1: got a call from Chad saying Tammy went to bed
39:02
Speaker 1: coughing and never woke up. At the time, doctors said
39:06
Speaker 1: she died from natural causes at the age of forty nine.
39:10
Speaker 1: Natural causes? What natural causes that the only witnesses her
39:13
Speaker 1: husband And isn't it true? Nate eight. Within two weeks
39:16
Speaker 1: of Tammy's death, Chad day Bell flies to Hawaii to
39:21
Speaker 1: marry Laurie Vallow in an outfit that she purchased on
39:26
Speaker 1: her dead husband's credit card, where she had been searching
39:30
Speaker 1: for beach wedding dresses, and lo and behold, two weeks
39:36
Speaker 1: after Tammy's death, they are having a beach side wedding service. Yeah,
39:41
Speaker 1: not only did she purchase the clothing but the rings.
39:43
Speaker 1: Their wedding rings were looked for weeks before Tammy was
39:47
Speaker 1: dead early October, she bought those same rings on Charles
39:51
Speaker 1: Vallow's Amazon account, and it was family members of Charles
39:55
Speaker 1: Vallow who ultimately got a hold of his computer and
39:57
Speaker 1: logged in and saw that these rings been purchased. And
40:01
Speaker 1: then in those wedding photos months later Chad and Maria
40:04
Speaker 1: wearing those same wedding rings. No shame, No shame at all.
40:08
Speaker 1: So to you Rich Robertson, private investigator, who has somehow
40:13
Speaker 1: gotten dragged into this whole cult. Mom Laurie Valo prophet
40:17
Speaker 1: Chad Daybill Saga, I really don't believe in coincidences when
40:20
Speaker 1: it comes to criminal law and murder, much less quadruple murder.
40:25
Speaker 1: So the children go missing, they're dead, they're buried out
40:30
Speaker 1: at Chad day Belle's property, and then shortly thereafter, Tammy
40:36
Speaker 1: Daybill quote dies in her sleep. Two weeks later, the
40:40
Speaker 1: two of them are married. That's neatly planned a series
40:45
Speaker 1: of events. Would you say, oh, it's those are just
40:48
Speaker 1: some of the highlights, because there are certainly other things
40:52
Speaker 1: that we're going on. I mean, in early August, even
40:55
Speaker 1: a month or so before the kids disappeared, Laurie had
40:58
Speaker 1: placed JJ's service dog Bailey, a little golden dudle that
41:02
Speaker 1: he was very attached to, posted that dog for sale.
41:06
Speaker 1: That was in early August, and you know, a month
41:10
Speaker 1: or so after Charles's death. So there's you know, a
41:13
Speaker 1: variety of these kind of checkpoints along the way. Lorie
41:16
Speaker 1: Valot places JJ's dog for sale in August, service dog.
41:21
Speaker 1: These purchases on the Amazon account. The reason that Kay
41:26
Speaker 1: Woodcock was able to monitor that, and I was working
41:29
Speaker 1: with her on this, is that Charles Valle was very
41:33
Speaker 1: worried about his own personal safety and had given his
41:38
Speaker 1: sister all of his passwords and logins for his various
41:41
Speaker 1: accounts before he died. He'd even changed an insurance policy
41:47
Speaker 1: to make his sister Kay the beneficiary so that she
41:52
Speaker 1: could care for JJ. And and so he was he
41:58
Speaker 1: was very worried about his own personal safety for months
42:01
Speaker 1: leading up to this. And uh, and that was certainly
42:05
Speaker 1: appression and it came true. So these these things were
42:10
Speaker 1: happening when you were watching as it was happening that
42:13
Speaker 1: some of these things on the Amazon accounts, some of
42:15
Speaker 1: these purchases were going to Rexburg. But then they these
42:20
Speaker 1: addresses started showing up in Hawaii, and that's how I
42:24
Speaker 1: think that ultimately, when law enforcement got involved, able to
42:28
Speaker 1: direct him pretty quickly to this address in Hawaii because
42:31
Speaker 1: some of the Amazon purchasers were being shipped their sandals,
42:35
Speaker 1: the wedding dress, the wedding dress, and as Nate said,
42:38
Speaker 1: the wedding rings. I believe it was ten days or
42:41
Speaker 1: so before Tammy died that you know, when she made
42:45
Speaker 1: that purchase. She purchased a These were green amethyst rings.
42:49
Speaker 1: She purchased two of them, the man's ring and a
42:52
Speaker 1: woman's ring, but then she returned the man's ring to
42:57
Speaker 1: get a different size and had shot away. You know,
43:01
Speaker 1: you're just a fountain of information, Hey, Jackie. Thought of
43:04
Speaker 1: two other things. One that Laurie Valo places to children's items,
43:10
Speaker 1: all their belongings in storage getting ready for the trip
43:15
Speaker 1: to Hawaii. Was that before or after their death? Nate
43:20
Speaker 1: eighten that was after their death, well, she was still
43:23
Speaker 1: looking for them. That was in early October. Police believe
43:25
Speaker 1: that JJ died early September and Tyley early September. JJ
43:29
Speaker 1: mid September. And then we had the video that showed
43:33
Speaker 1: she visited the storage unit several times, sometimes with Chad.
43:37
Speaker 1: There's even the one video where he reached over and
43:39
Speaker 1: appears to touch her bud as they're walking out of
43:42
Speaker 1: the unit. Yeah, he did, he patted it. We all
43:44
Speaker 1: saw it on the video. That's Jackie's second entry. So
43:48
Speaker 1: let me ask you this and Nate Eten, we were
43:50
Speaker 1: hearing from your Sister station about the trip that Tammy
43:56
Speaker 1: day Bell took to visit her relatives. Isn't it true
43:59
Speaker 1: that she took this trip at Chad Daviel's urging because
44:02
Speaker 1: he had a premonition that she's going to die in
44:04
Speaker 1: a car crash or something like that. Yeah, she didn't
44:07
Speaker 1: know that at the time. He was encouraging her to
44:09
Speaker 1: go see her family. Even said that her a dead
44:13
Speaker 1: relative had appeared to him and said, Tammy needs to
44:16
Speaker 1: go see her parents and her siblings. And Tammy, it's
44:20
Speaker 1: quite a drive, you know, five to six hour drive.
44:22
Speaker 1: She rarely did it alone, but he really encouraged her
44:26
Speaker 1: to go see the parents, and he had apparently told
44:29
Speaker 1: others that she was going to die in a car crash. Well,
44:31
Speaker 1: she made the trip, spent one night, turned around, and
44:34
Speaker 1: came home, didn't die in the crash, And we now
44:38
Speaker 1: later learned that Chad was maybe hoping she would die
44:41
Speaker 1: on that trip or something. But when she didn't, of course,
44:44
Speaker 1: a week later she was dead. Okay, hold on just
44:46
Speaker 1: a moment, you know, David Leroy, I guess also a
44:50
Speaker 1: need a psychologist on this. I'm always suspicious when people
44:53
Speaker 1: have premonitions and then they come true, including a death.
44:57
Speaker 1: Like Scott Peterson told his mistress Amber Fry that this
45:02
Speaker 1: Christmas would be his first as a widow after losing
45:05
Speaker 1: his wife. And guess what, she died on Christmas Eve
45:09
Speaker 1: because he killed her. And then we can't forget the
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Speaker 1: dream that O. J. Simpson had about the death of
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Speaker 1: his beautiful wife, long suffering Nicole Brown. You know the dreams,
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Speaker 1: the premonitions, And now we've got Chad day Bell the
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Speaker 1: prophet having a premonition his wife would die in whoops,
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Speaker 1: there she goes often to the sunset? What about it?
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Speaker 1: Lee Roy? Oh, I'm not sure how much of that
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Speaker 1: will make it into evidence. So I guarantee you the
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Speaker 1: premonition is going to come into evidence. The musings of
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Speaker 1: that nature are going to be a fairly collateral, but
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Speaker 1: obviously something suspicious and something to talk about. I take
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Speaker 1: it you've tried a lot of murder cases, haven't you.
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Speaker 1: Lee Roy, Chad's a problem. I'll tell you what a
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Speaker 1: jury is going to love to hear that. Chad day
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Speaker 1: Bell had a premonition that Tammy was going to die,
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Speaker 1: and then amazingly she did. Karen start, the premonitions, the dreams,
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Speaker 1: what do you make of that? I'm not saying they
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Speaker 1: don't happen, But when your wife then dies next to
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Speaker 1: you in bed, that casts a little pale Paul on
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Speaker 1: the premonition. It's very suspicious. And I really love analyzing
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Speaker 1: people's dreams. It's fascinating, especially when they're in conjunction with
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Speaker 1: the murder case. Karen start exactly when it's that kind
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Speaker 1: of a premonition, that's highly suspect. Oh, I've got to
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Speaker 1: ask one more question. Who knows the answer this? I'm
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Speaker 1: guessing Leroy or Nate Eton. Is it true there's a
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Speaker 1: bill on the Governor's desk in Idaho to reinstate the
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Speaker 1: firing squad. We would not be reinstating at here in Idaho.
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Speaker 1: Excuse me, correction, adopting the firing squad. So is it
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Speaker 1: true that there is a bill asking for the death
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Speaker 1: by firing squad versus lethal injection? Is that true? So?
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Speaker 1: Bill started in our House of Representatives to replace lethal
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Speaker 1: injection with the firing squad. It passed the House, as
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Speaker 1: the Senate, it's sitting on the Governor's desk for possible
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Speaker 1: signature in the next few days. Okay, well that's going
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Speaker 1: to hurt. Hey, nasty. We have some breaking news here.
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Speaker 1: As we've been talking, Judge Boyce has just struck down
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Speaker 1: the death penalty and Laurie's case again. He has taken
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Speaker 1: death penalty off the table and granted the motion by
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Speaker 1: her defense attorneys. It's a long ruling, but basically he's
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Speaker 1: saying that due to evidence being turned over so late
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Speaker 1: some discovery issues, the defense team would not have enough
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Speaker 1: time to adequately go through all of this evidence as
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Speaker 1: they work to preserve her life. That could of course
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Speaker 1: present all sorts of issues on appeal. And there's much
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Speaker 1: more to his ruling, but just big news here. Death
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Speaker 1: penalty off the table. She could still face and does
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Speaker 1: still face life in prison without the possibility of parole
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Speaker 1: as she's found guilty when this goes to trial in
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Speaker 1: just a few days. Wait wait, as justice so fault. Goodbye,
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Speaker 1: friend m