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It Wasn't The Bar's Cat · I Think Less of You Podcast

• 0:15
  SPEAKER_00: I picked up my cat in a bar.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_01: People are like, I picked up my wife in a bar, but you got a cat.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_00: I picked up my cat in a bar.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_00: I was out with friends.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_01: How does someone just walk away with a bar's cat?
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_00: That wasn't the bar's cat.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_00: I was out with friends and there was a bar that we frequented.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_00: We all went to it.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_01: Hold up.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_01: You were out at a bar with friends.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_01: This is already unbelievable.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_00: I used to be at literally every single night.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_00: I was out at bars with friends.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_01: How old is this cat?
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_00: I think 14.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_00: So I was out with friends.
• 0:52
  A girl we knew who was dating one of the cooks at the bar came
• 1:01
  in and was talking to us.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then she said, hey, does anybody want a cat?
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_00: And we were like, no.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then she said, I'll come.
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  SPEAKER_00: My cat, she just had kittens.
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  SPEAKER_00: Our apartment's like, it was real close.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's go look at the kittens.
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  SPEAKER_00: We can at least see cute kittens.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're like, okay, fine.
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  SPEAKER_00: We'll go see cute kittens.
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  SPEAKER_00: Me and my friends all trucked off to her apartment.
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  Their apartment actually was,
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  like,
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  two doors up,
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  so it was very convenient.
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  SPEAKER_00: Went upstairs, and there were all these adorable kittens running around.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, oh, okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'll get a kitten that's so cute.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was a really cute little kitten.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then later it turned into a cranky, cranky cat.
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  SPEAKER_01: So now... Were you married at this point?
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_00: No.
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  SPEAKER_00: I just showed up...
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_00: I was living with roommates.
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  I showed up with my cat,
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  with my new kitten,
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  and was like,
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  we have a kitten now.
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  SPEAKER_01: Also slightly different than getting it at a bar.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_01: I was picturing a very different scenario when you said this.
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  So we got the cat,
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  I got the kitten,
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  and then I brought it back to the bar.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we just, like, I hung out at the bar with the kitten for a while.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we workshopped things that were, like, potential names for it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I,
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  SPEAKER_00: right off the bat,
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  SPEAKER_00: I said,
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  SPEAKER_00: I want to name this cat the most pretentious thing that I can think of.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we were, like, bandying about different.
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  SPEAKER_00: And eventually I settled.
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  SPEAKER_00: I named her after a...
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  Renaissance Italian female painter named...
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  The cat's Italian name is Artemisia.
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  SPEAKER_00: After Artemisia Gentileschi.
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  SPEAKER_01: Can't.
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  SPEAKER_01: They came out with you.
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  SPEAKER_00: The cat answers to the name Kitty.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_01: They came out with you.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_01: You're too much.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, but also, again, like, not quite the... I got my cat at a bar.
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  SPEAKER_00: I went to a bar...
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  SPEAKER_00: And then by the end of the night, I had a cat.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I think I got my cat at a bar.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_00: I picked up my cat at a bar.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is a reasonable description of the events of that night.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_01: I can't with you.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_01: So ridiculous.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I have fun stories sometimes every once in a while.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_01: I have fun stories.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just tend to think that they are a lot more fun than anyone else does.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have objectively fun stories.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's pretty great being me.
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  One of the many ways in which it is just a fantastic...
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  I live the life of Riley.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is not great being me.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just, as you got to see, fought with my microphone stand.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_01: I forgot to upload our second episode last week, so that was on me.
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  And I realized that anything we talked about was wildly out of
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  date because we went
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  SPEAKER_01: to war in the meantime.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not technically a war.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_00: We need to be careful here.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_00: Not technically a war.
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  SPEAKER_00: I forget what we're calling it, but it's not a police action.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not a war anymore.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_01: We went adventuring in the Middle East.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I think that's a reasonable way to put it.
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  SPEAKER_01: In the meantime.
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  SPEAKER_00: A minor crusade, we'll say.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hopefully it doesn't turn into a major crusade.
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  SPEAKER_00: Ideally not.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know,
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  SPEAKER_01: I am going to a different continent soon,
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  SPEAKER_01: and I would like this to not be a major crusade.
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  SPEAKER_01: You are also going to a different continent soon.
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  SPEAKER_00: I am.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're going to have a little field trip for this ragtag podcast.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_00: We're going not to an active war zone, but not far from one.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's technically a level two do not travel.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_01: Well, no, it's not a do not travel.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is exercise caution.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, we are.
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  We are going to a place that is a level two warning,
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  although we will be cautious.
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  SPEAKER_01: Although I will say,
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  SPEAKER_01: I was talking to my husband this morning about it,
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  SPEAKER_01: just checking in with him.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, we're all still okay about this.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he was like, yeah, why would I not be?
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  He was less concerned with this random trip than me going to
• 5:00
  like Western Europe by myself.
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  So he made the great point that a lot of parts of Western
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  Europe should be labeled
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  SPEAKER_01: like a level three or a level four do not travel.
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  It is one of the ways in which a lot of the things that we
• 5:17
  operate on are guided
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  not so much by reality as by diplomatic niceties and where we
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  feel that we have to
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  SPEAKER_00: tread carefully diplomatically and where we don't.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
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  I'm laughing because I'm laughing because you were like one of
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  the ways in which we
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  SPEAKER_01: operate.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, this isn't going to go well for either of us.
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  SPEAKER_01: But you were talking about the U.S.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_01: there.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, no, no, not we personally.
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  SPEAKER_00: We, the grand we on the national and international scale.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, we on this podcast scale are entirely ludicrous.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_00: So no, not me.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a very serious person.
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  Anyone who reads my periodic writings that I do on the
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  internets will be aware.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not on Twitter.
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  SPEAKER_00: I wrote an article that I thought was okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was very good.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't get to put this in our notes.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_01: I actually updated our podcast notes for this episode.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't add this in yet, but I was going to ask you to talk about it.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_00: I had a mutual of both of ours, right girl probs on X, formerly Twitter.
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  I was complaining that I'm both funny and good at writing and
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  how cruel that is.
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  We were messaging back channel,
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  and I was like,
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  no,
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  he's actually funnier in person,
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  too.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's really annoying.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_00: But I actually, I always want, like, PJ O'Rourke is my idea.
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  SPEAKER_00: If I could write like someone, I would write like PJ O'Rourke.
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  SPEAKER_00: I throw off humorous bon mots on Twitter as my thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I can't.
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  And then I sit down and I'm like,
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  this thing I'm going to I'm going to make this a funny one.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is going to be a funny thing I'm going to write.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I can't do it.
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  SPEAKER_00: But as soon as I start writing,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's like actually writing long form because it becomes like,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: weird,
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  SPEAKER_00: detached,
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  SPEAKER_00: analytical Jeremiah ads.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it makes me sad because I wish I wish I could write funny,
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  SPEAKER_00: humorous,
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  SPEAKER_00: quippy articles,
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  SPEAKER_00: but I can't.
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  SPEAKER_01: I am not a very funny writer.
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  SPEAKER_01: I wish I could be a funny writer.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think I'm very funny in person.
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  SPEAKER_01: Funny looking.
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  I mean,
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  I have been trying to say that forever and you always argue me
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  at that point.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know I'm funny looking.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have a lazy eye.
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  SPEAKER_02: And now you're grabbing your sinuses.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: You're so mean to me.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not saying that it's not deserved, but I know I'm funny looking.
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  I have chubby cheeks and a lazy eye and we can't all be hot
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  girls on Twitter,
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  Lee.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's true.
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  I try as hard as I can to be a hot girl on Twitter,
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  but the beard makes it difficult.
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  SPEAKER_01: I try as hard as I can, but my face makes it difficult.
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  The,
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  uh,
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  no,
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  that's,
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  if you want,
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  if you,
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  the thing I wrote is currently my pinned tweet.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've been writing for a friend of- I will link it in the show notes,
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  SPEAKER_01: but please keep talking about it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think most,
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  SPEAKER_00: most,
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  SPEAKER_00: most people who listen to this probably follow me,
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  SPEAKER_00: I would think,
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  SPEAKER_00: or at least are aware of my Twitter feeds.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they may have already read it.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_00: I've actually had a decent number of people read it.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I find it, I, again, I think I've said this before.
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  SPEAKER_00: I find it really a really weird place to be where-
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  There are people who are interested in what I have to say about
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  literally anything.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think it's pretty weird myself.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm an idiot.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's okay.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'm ugly.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah,
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  SPEAKER_00: no,
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  SPEAKER_00: it was,
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  SPEAKER_00: I've been,
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  a friend of mine is starting a political journal of sorts and
• 8:57
  he has conscripted me
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  SPEAKER_00: to write things for him because I have you,
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: him,
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  I have lots of people I know who view me as like this source of
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  massive untapped
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  potential and feel like they need to like kick my butt into
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  forcing me to tap into
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  SPEAKER_00: my deep fonts of perceived potential,
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  SPEAKER_00: which I don't believe exists.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, no, you are a good writer.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_01: I enjoy reading things that you write.
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  I think it's somewhat ridiculous that Philip and I have to like
• 9:29
  cajole you into writing.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love my rut.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_00: I have zero inertia.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm like an anti-inertia.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I am very aware of that.
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  I,
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  on the other hand,
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  have been stuck writing forever about horrible nothingness.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm very sick of it.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_01: But I am scheduled up on my website through the month.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_00: See, that feels good, I'm sure.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_01: No, it really it does.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_01: But I have a hard time switching off.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_01: So blog writing is very different than actual writing,
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  because you are writing to like a fifth grade audience because
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  you want the most
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  You want the most eyes on your thing because I need people to
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  see the banner ads
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  SPEAKER_01: that are all over my site so I can get paid.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_01: To do that, you have to take out like any personality.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not really writing as me.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just writing instructionally and writing.
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  SPEAKER_01: It just is such a mind suppression activity.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: I hate it.
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  It is hard to switch my brain back on to actually have
• 10:45
  intelligent thoughts and let
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_01: my personality shine through in any of it.
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  So I am excited to kind of put my blog to bed while we go to an
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  as of yet unnamed place.
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  SPEAKER_01: We are solely doing that too.
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  drive interest i'm hoping people are actually interested in
• 11:05
  where we go hopefully i
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  SPEAKER_01: can just switch my brain back on because right now i feel like long haul
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  international flights are known for helping people switch their
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  brains on yes i am
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  gonna have a 30 hour travel day i think yours is something
• 11:22
  similar no mine's like
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  SPEAKER_01: 18 it's not that bad no mine is 30 but i have a 11 hour layover
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's right.
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  SPEAKER_00: In another country.
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  SPEAKER_00: BFE Germany.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, in Frankfurt.
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  I'm just going to sleep at the,
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  there's a hotel at their airport that I stay at often.
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  SPEAKER_01: And since I'm going to be there in the middle of the day,
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm just going to check into a hotel,
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  SPEAKER_01: use my day,
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_01: my day use hotel thing,
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  SPEAKER_01: which I will also drop a link into.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_01: There are hotels that let you check in for the day.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think it's going to be like $45 for me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sleep all day, take a shower, and then they have a spa at this hotel.
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  I'm going to get a massage,
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  and then I'm going to catch a late night flight.
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  SPEAKER_00: Nice.
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  SPEAKER_00: That sounds like very pleasant.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_00: I will not be doing that.
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  SPEAKER_00: That sounds pleasant for you.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have never gotten a massage from a stranger.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_00: That sounds horrible.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so my husband actually was like you.
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  But then I used to work,
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  I used to do Instagram stuff for Princess Cruises.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they would send me all over and they would give me a plus one.
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  SPEAKER_01: And as a part of the like,
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  promotional package they would always give us you got like a
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  day in the spa and
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  Luke got to go on like couples massages with me and he was like
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  okay I actually
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  really like this nope and he very very much likes it but he
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  needs to do it with me
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  in the room he's like I can't he thought it was too weird
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  unless I was in the room
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't care if my wife's there and I'm not doing that.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't think she would either, frankly.
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  SPEAKER_01: A massage is great.
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  SPEAKER_01: He just thought it was weird.
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  SPEAKER_00: Weird person digging into my muscles.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, that's the best part.
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  He thought it was a little weird just because we always had
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  like women masseuse.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he's like, and I was like, well, do you want a guy?
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  SPEAKER_01: And he was like, no, that's so much weirder.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was like, okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's going to be a gay man probably, so.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_01: No,
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  SPEAKER_01: I have had numerous male masseuses and they,
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't,
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  SPEAKER_01: they were not presenting as,
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  SPEAKER_01: as very gay,
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  SPEAKER_01: but.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_02: That's fine.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_01: Male masseuses are great because they have better body weight.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like more body weight to really like dig into your muscles.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I just, I don't see myself ever, ever doing that.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_01: Massages are great.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're missing out.
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  SPEAKER_00: One of the many things I'm sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Who doesn't like a massage?
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  SPEAKER_01: That's so weird.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_00: Not from some random stranger.
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  If I've got a crick in my bag or something,
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  I'll tag in my wife and be like,
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  hey,
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  help.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you not go to a chiropractor or anything?
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_00: No, I do not practice holistic woo medicine like chiropractic.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't do homeopathy either, if you're going to ask that.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't eat juniper berries to cure my every ailment or whatever.
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  Weird hippie California,
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  Colorado thing you're going to be going out about next.
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  SPEAKER_01: I am like the queen of weird hippie stuff.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_00: I hate woo.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_00: I despise woo.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_00: My sister's very into woo.
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  SPEAKER_00: After my mother died,
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_00: we were organizing stuff,
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  SPEAKER_00: and she said,
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  SPEAKER_00: well,
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to have to cut out in a little bit because I'm going to a salt
• 14:54
  cave thing salt caves are the best no salt caves are so so good
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  and she starts
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  telling me about how like the salt pulls the bad the bad stuff
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  from inside your
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  SPEAKER_00: body and then outside or something i don't know
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  SPEAKER_01: Salt is actually very good,
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  but I'm not saying that for what it pulls from the bad inside
• 15:18
  your body is mucus.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's very good at thinning your mucus.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: It is really good if you have sinus problems and sinus inflammation,
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_01: which hello,
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: queen of over here.
• 15:28
  It helps you breathe easier and is really good for like lung
• 15:32
  and sinus problems.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_00: No, hanging out in a cave full of random salts is not helpful at all.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_00: It is actually.
• 15:41
  it is absurd i have a i have a little salt inhaler it is just
• 15:46
  like a glass bottle
• 15:48
  and there's a ton of salt in it and you just breathe through it
• 15:51
  and it helps when i
• 15:52
  have sinus infections no i'm super i'm very very hippie for
• 15:57
  being as conservative
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_01: as i am i am definitely a crunchy con
• 16:02
  I was going to say,
• 16:02
  they used to call that crunchy conservative,
• 16:04
  and that kind of went away.
• 16:05
  Now I think what was traditionally crunchy conservative was
• 16:09
  probably Maha,
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_00: the make America healthy again folk.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry, that's your alignment.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_01: Get it, but when it's being run by someone who famously did so much blow—
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_01: That's where I check out.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_00: You know what?
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_00: Drugs help some people.
• 16:29
  I'll say,
• 16:30
  Cary Grant always said that after he took LSD,
• 16:33
  that,
• 16:33
  like,
• 16:34
  it fixed his brain.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, maybe all that blow.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'm joking.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_00: I don't have a very high regard for RFK Jr.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_01: I've been a family of addicts.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: Not my parents, but my uncles were parents.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: very, very large drug addicts.
• 16:49
  So much so my uncle has a hole in the middle of his nose,
• 16:52
  like on the inside.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, that happens.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_01: Because he did so much cocaine.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I would never, I will never try coke.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_01: I have a lot of friends that like casually do coke on the side.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of like housewives do coke.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_01: I would, no, this is shockingly really, really common.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_01: I would never because I think I would love it.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: Drugs are bad, okay?
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_00: Just in general.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_00: Drugs, not good.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_01: I'm saying I never will because I think I would love it.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_00: All drugs.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: As I'm like, well, no.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_01: No, I am not a drug person.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: I watched what drugs did to my family members,
• 17:41
  and I have no desire to partake of that because I've seen drugs
• 17:46
  ruin their lives.
• 17:48
  I've just seen people who my mother knew in the 60s who would
• 17:51
  continually use drugs
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: for like 30 years by the time I came along and was meeting them.
• 17:56
  And I've seen what it turns you into amongst the ones of my
• 18:00
  mother's friends from
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_00: the 60s who lived.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: I've seen what long-term drug use of any drugs turns you into.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm not interested in being that person at any point in my life.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I just...
• 18:15
  Just watching like one of my uncles who died like 10 years ago,
• 18:23
  he died of lung cancer.
• 18:24
  But at the time,
• 18:25
  he was basically homeless,
• 18:28
  living under an overpass in Palm Desert.
• 18:31
  He was this starving artist who spent all of his money on
• 18:36
  heroin instead of housing.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: You know, just seeing like what it does to people.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 18:44
  Yeah,
• 18:45
  I have another homeless cousin who is a heroin addict who lives
• 18:49
  on Venice Beach.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: I assume she's still alive.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: I am not sure.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's really sad.
• 18:56
  Like,
• 18:56
  I've seen enough people just absolutely destroyed by drugs that
• 19:00
  I'm not.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: I joke about it a lot because it's a really dark, like, sad subject.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, I know.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: Just say no, kids.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: Don't do drugs.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_00: Bad plan.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_00: This is your brain on drugs, and it's Friday.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: All right, Nancy Reagan.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: Speaking of Reagan, let's talk about our policies as of late.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: It feels very throwback to... It is a throwback.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: I think we should leave that whole conversation in.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_01: Leave it in.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we can leave.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_01: I'll cut where I was talking to him,
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: but my son just called because he has become a gym bro and is...
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_01: he's trying to blend a frozen banana.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I think Luke must've given him like one of the really weak,
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_01: like bullet blenders that we have.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like,
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: I was like,
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: we have a,
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_01: he was looking,
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: we have a Ninja creamy and I'm like,
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: no,
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: just use the Vitamix.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_01: I,
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_01: I have a very,
• 20:01
  very nice professional grade blender at our house that will
• 20:05
  blend a frozen banana,
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: but he's trying to make himself a banana oatmeal shake because the
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: He apparently is Maha.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_00: What I was saying before I was so rudely interrupted...
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry, my son calls.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to take the phone call.
• 20:23
  If I knew it was about a blender,
• 20:25
  I would be like,
• 20:26
  all right,
• 20:27
  child,
• 20:27
  you could wait.
• 20:30
  I would argue that we are going back to a pre-World War II
• 20:35
  American identity.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: If you look at less Reaganist and more Trump,
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_00: Teddy Roosevelt.
• 20:44
  We were very much looking to assert our place on the global
• 20:48
  stage and very much
• 20:50
  willing to throw around our weight back before America and the
• 20:54
  world devolved into
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_00: this extended PTSD disorder after World War II.
• 20:59
  I will say this is what Trump and the administration and the
• 21:05
  Department of War are
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: aiming to do.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know that the populace as a whole is looking to do this.
• 21:13
  If we look at polling that just came out today,
• 21:16
  Trump's numbers have never been lower.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of people do not agree with
• 21:23
  our maneuvering we won't call it war our maneuvering in the
• 21:26
  middle east i will say
• 21:29
  that i think this is a missed opportunity as we often have with
• 21:34
  trump and that we
• 21:35
  are not messaging this well i think if we came out and messaged
• 21:40
  it better no i
• 21:41
  really honestly believe this how do you message it i think
• 21:44
  they're messaging it
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_00: fine they're bad people
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_00: They're a threat.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: They're a threat to the West.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: They are a threat.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_00: They're a threat to their own people.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_00: We're making sure they're not a threat anymore.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: Fully understand that and totally agree.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_01: Also think that we need to be talking about,
• 21:59
  I pinned in our notes the Melissa Chen tweet talking about how
• 22:05
  Iran was about to
• 22:07
  get a deal done with China for tech that would have drastically
• 22:13
  changed the game
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: and made the Strait of Hormuz just sitting ducks for anyone in the water.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: I think we need to be talking about a lot more of that.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_01: We need to be saying, look,
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: If this deal had gone through, this is why we had to go in now.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_01: I think we need to be saying we went in when we did because of X,
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: Y and Z.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_01: We did this because China was close to giving Iran better tech.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_01: We went in because they were churning through all of our missiles.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: We need to go through those steps better.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_00: Rubio is saying that.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: Sure, Rubio is, but Rubio's not the president.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_00: Rubio's not, like.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_00: Rubio's the point man on this.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: He's the secretary of state.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: Also, he is the only competent person in this administration.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: Let's just say that.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: I just think we need to have better talking.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_00: You need a Doug Burgum short shrift there.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: You and your weird Burgum love.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: It is the weirdest thing about you.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: What could have been.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: No, I just I just think that I think that you are.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: So I agree with the reasons that we went into war.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_01: I think we need to be hitting back at critics better.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: No, it doesn't matter.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: It literally doesn't matter because everyone is in their silo.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: If those numbers you reference,
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_00: if you look at the partisan breakdown on them,
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_00: they're roughly what you'd expect.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_00: Republicans are all about it.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_00: Democrats are all against it.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: Independents are somewhere in the middle.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_00: I think they're leaning forward.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_00: towards being against, but not in a substantial way.
• 23:47
  So this is the people who are,
• 23:49
  you're not going to message the people who are against it.
• 23:52
  They're getting their news from clips Aaron Rupar puts together
• 23:56
  to put the worst
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: possible spin on things.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: This is all that matter results.
• 24:01
  Trump has not wrapped this up by a couple months,
• 24:05
  or at least there are tangible results to it.
• 24:08
  We are again,
• 24:09
  we're going back the obsession with polling every question
• 24:14
  constantly.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: It isn't it isn't older than us.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_00: That wasn't a thing.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: When we in our that really rose like they pulled things,
• 24:23
  but not nearly the same level during the Clinton administration
• 24:26
  is when they just
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: because Clinton wouldn't do anything without running it by a pollster.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: So I think I still think we could be messaging this.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_00: No, there is no.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_00: All that matters is the results.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_00: This isn't a messaging thing because everyone we don't.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_00: There isn't a nightly news.
• 24:41
  There isn't a Walter Cronkite whose show you can go on who
• 24:44
  literally everyone is watching.
• 24:46
  There is no messaging because everyone is watching their own
• 24:48
  message that agrees with them.
• 24:52
  You can't message something when there is no central location
• 24:56
  on which you can get
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_00: that message out.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_00: All that matters is results.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_01: I don't disagree.
• 25:00
  And also,
• 25:01
  I think we could have a better set of talking points to be
• 25:05
  working from.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's an absurd criticism.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: I don't I just don't think that it matters.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's not even a criticism.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_01: I'm saying we are correct in the reasons that we're going in.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_01: Let's talk more about those reasons.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_00: No one's listening because they're watching Rupar,
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_00: Aaron Rupar,
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: who is the modern Lani Riefenstahl of the Democratic Party.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: OK, but not everyone's on Twitter.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: Most people that I'm referencing.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't matter.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not I'm not talking Rupar's stuff.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: is on Instagram.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_00: Rupar's stuff is on the nightly news.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_00: The clips of the...
• 25:39
  It is not a good thing to pretend like Aaron Rupar is just some
• 25:44
  weird online thing.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_00: He is a central messaging apparatus for... I'm not joking.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_00: for much of how things are going to be displayed later.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_00: What message is being put out there on Instagram,
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_00: on the news,
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_00: on MSN,
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_00: MSN,
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_00: whatever they're calling themselves now,
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_00: MSNBC.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: MSN, it's Ms.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: Now.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_00: Miss now.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_00: No,
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_00: that that style of thing,
• 26:12
  the what literally what the Biden administration and the media
• 26:17
  tried to label as a
• 26:18
  cheap fake during the during Biden's abortive attempt to run
• 26:22
  for reelection is
• 26:24
  where the majority of people on the left and some degree on the
• 26:27
  right get their
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_00: entire understanding of the news of the day now.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: There's nothing to be done about that.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_00: This is why I am placing my lie in the sand.
• 26:38
  I am placing my hat in the spot that says this is what I
• 26:42
  believe,
• 26:43
  I guess.
• 26:45
  I think that polling these kind of things and reacting to
• 26:50
  polling and these kind of
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: things is completely useless.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_00: All that matters results.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_00: You roll the dice, you take the gamble.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: If the results are good,
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: the people will be okay with it in the end and will,
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_00: in fact,
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_00: retcon themselves.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: If you look at COVID stuff,
• 27:04
  I guarantee that 75% of people who are super into COVID
• 27:10
  lockdowns and whatnot now
• 27:12
  and would have polled that we need to shut everything down
• 27:15
  during COVID now would
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_00: say,
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_00: no,
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: I never thought this was a good idea.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_01: I actually think a shocking amount of people would defend it.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_00: Perhaps.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_00: But what I'm saying is people will just people.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_00: The now doesn't matter.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: All that matters is what happens in the end.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_00: So to my mind,
• 27:34
  I think that Trump and the Trump administration on this are 100
• 27:38
  percent correct to
• 27:39
  not be sitting around concerning concerning themselves with
• 27:42
  what the latest polling
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_00: from Ipsos says.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_00: All that matters is, can we make what we want to happen happen?
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_00: And we will trust that people will like the results.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_00: And then if they don't like the results, that's fine.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: At that point,
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: we have the only poll that matters,
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: a minor one every two years and a major one every four.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: So if people don't like the results, we'll find out.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_01: Here's the thing, though.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not even saying that that should be guiding what we're doing.
• 28:07
  I'm just saying it would be nice if we had an administration
• 28:12
  that came from one
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_01: place,
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: communication style wise,
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_01: if we were better about talking to people.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_01: That's literally all I'm asking for.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: I don't guess.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think they're doing poorly.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: Marco Rubio and Pete Hegseth,
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: who are the two point men on this,
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_00: are doing the bulk of the talking on it.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that Rubio more so than Hegseth,
• 28:35
  but Hegseth isn't doing that badly because he is a professional
• 28:38
  communicator.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think either of them are doing that badly.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_01: So anti-Hag Seth, I know a lot of people are.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: I have no problem.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was a little weird of an appointment, but he's doing fine.
• 28:49
  Like it's not a criticism of him and it's definitely not of
• 28:52
  Marco because again,
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like Marco is the only one who is like the adult in the room,
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_01: which I love that stupid me.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_01: I know a lot of people are tired of the Marco meme.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_01: I will never tire of it because he is doing everything.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: And I guess this is just more of my, you know,
• 29:09
  Instead of whatever unhinged rant that Trump is going on on
• 29:14
  Truth Social and J.D.
• 29:17
  being seemingly out of this,
• 29:19
  I just wish we were on one page and we had clear talking
• 29:23
  points.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: Let Marco write them.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: We don't.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: But OK.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_00: So.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_00: Jim Garrity,
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: who is a writer for National Review,
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_00: National Review Online,
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_00: he's a notable writer.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_00: He posted a thing on Twitter complaining that,
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_00: Trump hasn't given a primetime address on the Iran war.
• 29:40
  Like,
• 29:40
  can we just ask that Trump give a primetime address on the Iraq
• 29:43
  war?
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't mind if he did.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't mind if he did.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_00: No one watches primetime.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_00: No one is watching television at primetime now.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_00: We do not live in, as I said to him, this isn't 1967.
• 29:55
  Everyone doesn't crowd around the TV with their TV dinner from
• 30:00
  8 o'clock to 10 and
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_00: then turn in for bed.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_01: I agree with that.
• 30:06
  But I think it's fine to say it would be nice to have some kind
• 30:11
  of address.
• 30:11
  He answers questions to the media on this topic literally every
• 30:17
  single day.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_00: You can tune in.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_00: At some point between 9 o'clock in the morning and 10 o'clock at night,
• 30:24
  Donald Trump is going to be in a scrum with reporters and
• 30:27
  they're going to be
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_00: asking questions.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_00: He's going to be throwing back one-liners at them.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_00: As opposed to any other president, you don't get that.
• 30:35
  He addresses the nation with open roundtable question and
• 30:40
  answer sessions more than
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_00: literally any other president who has ever lived.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_00: We do not need the pomp and circumstance of a fireside chat.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_00: We don't need him showing up in his version of a Carter cardigan saying,
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_00: oh,
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_00: well,
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_00: ladies and gentlemen of America,
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_00: because that isn't how the world works anymore.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_00: People who are demanding this are demanding that we operate,
• 31:03
  that he operate like we live in a world that hasn't existed in
• 31:06
  probably 20 years.
• 31:07
  I mean,
• 31:08
  we just had the State of the Union where he did actually a
• 31:11
  fantastic job.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_00: He did.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_01: And did exactly this.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: I would like, I would like that for this state.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_00: The State of the Union address is constitutionally mandated.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_00: Now,
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_00: if he had just written a letter,
• 31:24
  I'd be way happier because I think this is an excellent
• 31:26
  opportunity to just ditch
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: the whole State of the Union thing,
• 31:30
  the State of the Union speech entirely and go back to the good
• 31:32
  old days of just
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_00: sending a letter.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_01: But him doing a great job is proof.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_00: He did a great job.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: This has nothing to do with Trump.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_00: I hate the joint session speech.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_00: They just need to send a letter.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_01: I disagree wholly.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_00: The pomp and circumstance.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_00: All the pomp and circumstance.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's very European, if you think about it.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_00: It's very like, oh, the king has come down.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_00: We don't want that.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_00: We're okay with that.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_00: Literally, this speech could have been an email.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_00: Send an email.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't even need to be like a formal letter.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_00: Literally, just an email.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_00: Say, the State of the Union is great, guys.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_00: Keep up the good work.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_01: Said like someone who has never worked a political campaign.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, no, we need the sound clips.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: We need this.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_00: They're horrible.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_00: They're bad.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_00: They're bad for our country.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_00: They're bad for society.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_00: So,
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_00: again,
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_00: going back earlier,
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_00: the State of the Union speech,
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_00: which we discussed,
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_00: I think,
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_00: I believe we discussed in a previous iteration of this.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_01: Now that we did a ton on it, we were both fans of it.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_01: We both thought it was good.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_00: No, he did a very good job.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_00: People on the right said he did a very good job.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: Aaron Rupar said, oh, my God, look at the back of his hand.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_00: Look, there is foundation on the back of his hand.
• 32:44
  What horrible health condition does Donald Trump have because
• 32:47
  there's foundation on
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_00: the back of his hand?
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_01: I do wanna talk about that for a moment.
• 32:52
  All of the,
• 32:53
  okay,
• 32:53
  so there's an ex-boyfriend I have that I still follow on
• 32:58
  Instagram.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_01: And he, we both worked in politics together.
• 33:03
  He has gone like super off the cliff,
• 33:06
  has become an insane person over Trump.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: And every other Instagram he puts up is like, oh, it's signs of dementia.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's signs of dementia.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, wait a clock in now, bro.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: Where were you during the last administration?
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_01: You didn't care about that at all.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_00: But you do now.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, come on.
• 33:27
  The underlying assumption or the underlying thing on that is
• 33:31
  that they think that
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_00: the dementia thing was unfair attack on Biden.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_00: Biden was really fine,
• 33:37
  but just had one bad performance at a at a debate which forced
• 33:41
  him to drop out.
• 33:42
  So they view this as a fair is fair thing of like,
• 33:45
  well,
• 33:45
  you attacked my my guy.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_01: This was this was a guy who's not a Democrat.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_01: This is libertarian.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_00: No, he's a Democrat.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_00: We've discussed this before.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_00: The Libertarians are just Democrats.
• 33:57
  The Libertarians never had a comfortable home on the right,
• 34:01
  and they're just going back left.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_00: He's a Democrat now.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_00: If you talk like a Democrat,
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: if you vote like a Democrat,
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_00: if everything you do is a Democrat,
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_00: you're a Democrat.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_00: You don't get to be like, oh, but I'm a Libertarian.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not really a Democrat.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_00: That's stupid.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_00: I'm writing you notes.
• 34:24
  The problem is that to the libertarians— You can't say anything
• 34:28
  today without you
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_00: just going all over it.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_00: The thing with libertarians is their allegiances to their liberal-aligned
• 34:40
  preferences are stronger than their allegiances to their
• 34:43
  conservative-aligned
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_00: preferences for the most part.
• 34:46
  They're much more interested in free love,
• 34:48
  free drugs,
• 34:49
  everybody do whatever they want.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_00: than they are in this small government thing.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_00: Because at the end of the day,
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: they're actually okay with it if the government tells people that,
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_00: like,
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_00: mandates that you people not harsh your buzz.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_01: Moral of the story is Courtney dodged several bullets.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_00: Not marrying a libertarian is a very, very big bullet dodge.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_00: That's like those giant bulleted Mario dodging one of those.
• 35:15
  Which is really funny because Luke did work for a very
• 35:19
  prominent libertarian organization.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_01: Was it Cato?
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_00: Hopefully it wasn't Cato.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_01: No, it was y'all.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_01: Young Americans for Liberty.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, them.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_00: They're, well.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_01: They're around.
• 35:34
  They're a little more conservative than libertarian,
• 35:37
  but they're very libertarian as well.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_00: I have increasing little sympathy or patience for libertarians.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: I say that libertarians aren't real people.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_00: They're the bisexuals of politics.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, if you think about it.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: Honestly, many of them are the bisexuals of bisexuals.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_01: Pick a team, bro.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: Just pick a team.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: No, I mean, and that organization, like I just name dropped them.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_01: So I feel the need to say like they are more Republican.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: I've actually done things with them.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_01: They're Republican.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_01: They're more Republican.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_01: They are Ron Paul, Rand Paul based.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like they started off as students for Ron Paul.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: They are more Republican.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not saying anything negative about them specifically.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_01: Libertarians as a whole, however, take that organization out of it.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_00: Cato Institute, the Cato Institute.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_01: Even Cato used to be more.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: OK,
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_01: full disclosure,
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_01: I was at one point in my life a registered libertarian,
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: but only for two years.
• 36:43
  It's when I lived in Maryland and the Maryland Republicans were
• 36:47
  just all kinds of awful.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_00: When we're young,
• 36:49
  we make all sorts of poor decisions and then it's a sign of
• 36:52
  maturity that we grow
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_00: past them.
• 36:54
  Look,
• 36:54
  if we go back through all of the decisions of my 20s,
• 36:58
  not many of them are good.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_01: Not until I started dating my husband did I like, you know.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_00: He's the best of you.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_00: He brings out the best.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: He is the best of me.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_01: He's the better parent.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_01: He's the better spouse.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_01: I just he is fantastic.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_01: I would be living in a gutter somewhere without him.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_01: But, you know.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_00: We need to do something else to rant about.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_00: I'm on a good ranting role.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I think you need to serve me up.
• 37:29
  You have said you have you we've had multiple conversations
• 37:32
  where you've said that
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_00: you're trying to get things in order for this for this trip.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_00: And you're like that you can't engage your brain.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_00: You feel like you're not good.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm just I'm taking your burden and helping you out.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_01: Me being honest to you and saying, I feel like I'm off my game.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_01: You being like, you suck.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to rub your nose in it.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to pinch hit for you.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_00: You're not feeling it right now.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_00: I'm happy.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's not that I'm not feeling it right now.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_01: I was being...
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_01: very open and honest about feeling like I'm not at the top of my game.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_01: You're doing fine.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_01: And you come in and just spike the volleyball right in my face.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_00: I have so many things to say about pretty much every topic.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's one of my great... Especially if you think I suck in that area.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_00: You know that isn't true at all.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_00: No,
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_00: I,
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_00: as everyone,
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_00: anyone who has listened with any consistency,
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_00: where I was,
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_00: very,
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_00: very,
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_00: very in favor of her going in from the get go.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_01: I am a... I am and I was like, I both am and I'm not.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: I was very in favor of taking out this regime.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: I actually will say that...
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_01: This has all gone down a lot better than I thought it would.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_01: And if we continue to have this go the way it's going,
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_01: like,
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_01: we're very quickly eliminating their regime and only their regime.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_01: We have apparently...
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_01: We're not taking we're not just like carpet bombing Iran.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_01: We're not going after Iranians.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_01: We are being really methodic in how we're doing it.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_01: We're going after regime figures.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_01: If we continue on this track, this will end fairly quickly.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like there's not a whole lot more we can do here.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_01: I am in support of this.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_01: It has gone so much better than I thought it would have.
• 39:30
  And that's where I'm coming from when I say that I don't think
• 39:34
  messaging matters
• 39:35
  because if this is over in two to three weeks and you can show
• 39:40
  that it's over and
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_00: say,
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_00: we went in and we did it,
• 39:43
  then I think that a lot of the people who are cranking about it
• 39:45
  now will start
• 39:47
  trying to retcon themselves as having been in favor of this the
• 39:50
  whole time.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_00: You already see that with Germany.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_01: Some of the Germans, not all of them.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_00: With Merz specifically.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_00: Merz, he's Trump's bro now.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_00: So weird.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_00: They're best buds.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, look, in a world of Germany and Spain, don't go Spain.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_00: Do not be Spain.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_00: You never want to be Spain politically.
• 40:15
  Spain has been on the wrong side of literally everything since
• 40:20
  time immemorial.
• 40:21
  You even have the Portuguese,
• 40:23
  which a lot of people are like,
• 40:25
  oh,
• 40:25
  Portugal's so much better.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_01: Portugal is just as socialist as Spain.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_01: However, they are correct in this.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_01: Portugal has said, look, America went in and built up our bases.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_01: So, yes, they can use them.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_01: We did in Spain as well.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_01: But Spain has just checked out of the chat.
• 40:45
  I mean,
• 40:45
  Spain doesn't want people looking too deeply into oppression of
• 40:49
  internal groups.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_01: Kind of like here, but you know.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_00: Well, no, with Spain, it was three or four years ago.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't that long ago.
• 40:59
  Catalonia elected a separatist to run to like they had a fair
• 41:04
  democratic election.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_00: Catalonia elected a guy, the guy from the separatist party to run them.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_00: And Spain literally drove him into and then then extradited.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I think he's still in prison.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_01: It was it was in 2019.
• 41:17
  And I remember this because I was on a cruise that started in
• 41:21
  Venice,
• 41:21
  Italy,
• 41:22
  went through.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_01: I
• 41:23
  got COVID on that cruise or what we later found out was COVID
• 41:27
  thanks to an antigen test.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_01: I had this weird mystery illness.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_01: We were launching a cruise ship out of Venice.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_01: I was there with Chinese state media.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_01: This was the fall of 2019.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_01: I had this weird, weird sinus thing that wouldn't leave.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I had a fever for like three weeks.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_01: I was on the ship thing.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_01: I went to doctors on land.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_01: I went to a doctor in Barcelona and they were like,
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_01: we have no idea what this is,
• 41:55
  but you're probably not contagious because there is no fever
• 41:59
  that lasts for like
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_01: three weeks.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_01: The Courtney super spreader event.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_01: No, it really was.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, as we were there, there were the Catalonian protests.
• 42:10
  We docked in Barcelona on a day that was the pro-Spain protests
• 42:16
  were marching through.
• 42:17
  And our hotel that we stayed in,
• 42:19
  we stayed at one of the additions in Barcelona.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's side note, fabulous hotel.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_01: And they walked like right down past.
• 42:27
  So I have all these really cool videos of the protests that
• 42:30
  were like right outside my door.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_01: My husband, unfortunately, was very hungover the entire time.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_01: He didn't attend any of the protests with me, but I saw lots of them.
• 42:41
  That's that's like I said,
• 42:43
  they Spain has a lot of their like they have the Catalonia
• 42:46
  thing.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_00: The Basque thing is a different thing.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_01: Well, OK, so the Basque movement, they have suppressed that.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_01: But in our lifetime,
• 42:54
  I think it was only like I want to say it was like 12 or 15
• 42:58
  years ago was the last
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_01: bombing in the Basque movement.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_01: Right now,
• 43:03
  it is settled as someone who spent a decent amount of time in
• 43:07
  the Basque region of
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_01: Spain last year.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_01: It is settled, but it's not like a finished issue.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_01: The Basques are also very annoyed with...
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_01: Now,
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_01: I'll say the Basques are mega socialist,
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_01: but the Basques aren't happy because...
• 43:24
  They are one of the richest parts of Spain and they are paying
• 43:28
  for the Catalonians.
• 43:29
  They are paying for other regions in Spain and they are very
• 43:34
  resentful of that.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_01: So at any moment, that is something that could happen.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon,
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_01: but there are still lots of strife in Basque Spain.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_00: The Alberta of Spain, except it's commie instead of... Yeah, yeah.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_01: No, really.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_01: I love Basque culture.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_01: I love Basque food.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_00: The cheesecake's great.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_00: I made about cheesecake once.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_00: That thing was good.
• 43:59
  Touring the Basque region of Spain is fantastic and I highly
• 44:03
  recommend to anyone.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_01: They are anti-immigration.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_01: They have seen a lot of the downsides of immigration in Spain,
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_01: but they're also very like socialist.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_01: So it just kind of.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_00: That works.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_00: Socialist is by nature internationalist.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like socialism is an internationalist.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_00: People have people manage to hold these like completely counter.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_01: It comes down to money.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_00: Things in their heads at the same time.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_01: It comes down to money.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_01: They want everything to be paid for.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_01: They're annoyed that they're the ones working to provide.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_00: Follow that logic train further down the track there, fella.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_01: I fully, fully get it.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_01: Again, love, love, love Basque culture.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_01: Love the Basque part of Spain.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_01: They just, yeah.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_01: as I was as I was in Bilbao,
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_01: we were doing a river tour and we went past one of Greenpeace's boats.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_01: You know how Greenpeace has those large like ocean tankers?
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_01: They docked them in Bilbao.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, OK.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_00: Greenpeace just lose a lawsuit.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_00: Probably.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_00: I think I just read Greenpeace may literally go out of business.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_00: Hopefully they lost some massive lawsuit.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_00: You said Greenpeace.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_00: It sparked that memory.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_00: I hope my memory is correct because I don't like them.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_01: Inshallah.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_00: No,
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_00: and I think with the Bosque thing,
• 45:24
  I believe I've referenced before that David Mamet was a liberal
• 45:30
  progressive,
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_00: or at least considered himself to be.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_00: And then he wrote in the Village Voice in 2008, he wrote an
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_01: I was going to say, I Googled the Greenpeace lawsuit.
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  SPEAKER_01: They lost a massive $345 million judgment against them.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was the Dakota Pipeline issue.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that was it.
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  SPEAKER_00: No,
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  but David Mamet in 2008 wrote an op-ed in The Village Voice
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  that was titled,
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  SPEAKER_00: How I Stopped Being a Brain-Dead Liberal.
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  SPEAKER_00: What?
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  The point of which basically was he said that he had always
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  been politically like
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  SPEAKER_00: quite liberal and progressive,
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  but that he as a person tries to like analyze his beliefs and
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  that he realized that
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  SPEAKER_00: in his personal life and like how he viewed the world,
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  SPEAKER_00: how he viewed his life and how he viewed his children,
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  SPEAKER_00: like how to raise his children.
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  SPEAKER_00: He was acted as a conservative,
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  but then his political views were very progressive and
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  basically he said like,
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I spent did some soul searching to be like, why?
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  SPEAKER_00: Why do I think that what is good for me isn't good for other people?
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  SPEAKER_00: And that was how now he's a big Trump fan.
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  SPEAKER_00: David Mamet is always,
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  always fun to have on hand because periodically people on the
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  left will try to pop
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  SPEAKER_00: up with like,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: conservatives aren't artistic or conservatives aren't.
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  SPEAKER_00: aren't capable of creating art.
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  Well,
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  David Mamet's one of the best playwrights of the 20th century,
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  buddy.
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  SPEAKER_01: We should blink that.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's kind of hard to find these days, but it's still out there.
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  SPEAKER_00: Tom Stoppard, also conservative, although a weird British one.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think on that, I think we can be done.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've talked enough.
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  SPEAKER_00: You talked some.
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  Love how when I tell you that I feel bad about myself,
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  you're like,
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  yeah,
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  you should.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, no.
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  SPEAKER_00: That wasn't what I was saying.
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  SPEAKER_00: You felt like you weren't on games.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was like, sure, I'll step up to the plate.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's fine.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Take that for you.
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  SPEAKER_01: If that's your version of the fence, we'll go with it.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Bye-bye.