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Yes, Movies About Sex Used to Include Sex (Ft. One Night Only, It Follows, Porky's, and Bachelor Party) · History Harpies: Pop Culture, Past and Present

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They say we're loud, opinionated, afraid Telling
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us to hush, dim our historical light But darlings,
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we're the Harpies, sharp and keen Unveiling the
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truth behind the silver screen History Harpies
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hear us roar Welcome to History Harpies. I'm
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Lauren. And I'm Christine. And this is, Lauren,
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Season 2. Oh my gosh. Let's just say Season 2
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of History Harpies. Which hopefully will be even
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better than Season 1. Even better. And I think
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it has to be Season 2 because of course, Lauren,
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we have had a long lag. It has been a long time
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since our last episode about Eddie Murphy. And
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our fans have been clamoring for more material.
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I keep hearing over the summer, why aren't you
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recording? Where's Christine? Haven't you seen
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the Odyssey? Why aren't you talking about all
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these things? And I'm just like, you know, we're
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on summer break. We've been to different places.
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We've traveled. We've tried to put our... you
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know, our work hats to the back burner for a
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minute. Not that this is work, but anyway, it
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took us a minute to get back together and also
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to collect some texts that we thought would be
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provocative and interesting to talk about. And
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no, we will not be talking about the Odyssey.
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I feel like that got its reviews and was. Back
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and forth and all over the zeitgeist over the
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summer and we are kind of done with it Although
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we did see the Odyssey together We did see the
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Odyssey together and I will add that my students
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in my Western Civ class They are discussing part
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of the Odyssey this week in section. So they
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are carrying that load So we don't need to know
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we don't need to know about it anymore. I think
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Odyssey is exhausted But I think we have to point
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out, Lauren, that one of the reasons why we could
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not do the pot over the summer is that you and
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I separately visited the 49th and the 50th. We
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did. United States. We did. States of America.
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And that is quite amazing. It is. I went to Hawaii.
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And I went to Alaska. And we both had a wonderful
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time. Yes. Fabulous. And I recommend Hawaii to
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anyone who is even remotely interested in going.
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And you recommend Alaska? I do. It was absolutely
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beautiful. Super beautiful. Nice and cool. Oh,
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loved it. Yeah. So our travels have refreshed
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us. And so then when we came back, we were sort
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of like, well, what movies are we going to go
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see? And if you're not familiar with Columbia,
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South Carolina, it's about 3 ,000 degrees in
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the summer. With 99 % humidity. Right. So seeing
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any movie is better than being, even walking
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to your car, seeing any movie. So Christine said,
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do you want to go to the movies? Like, what else
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are we going to do? We couldn't even go to the
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pool. It was just too hot. And the only movie
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that either one of us was even remotely up for
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seeing, mainly, I think, because it had been
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an Odyssey trailer. Yes. Is this movie called
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One Night Only. And so we saw it and we were
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like, Maybe there were 10 people in the theater?
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There were enthusiastic people there. Yes, there
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were. I enjoyed the company. Yes. But there were
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probably about 10 other people in the theater.
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And apparently, as we just learned, apparently
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it bombed at the box office. It bombed at the
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box office. I will say justifiably. Yes. Justifiably
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bombed at the box office. The movie is a horrible
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movie. So you might be saying, well, ladies,
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why are you going to talk about this horrible
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movie and then... And then we thought, well,
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the movie was horrible, but it raised a lot of
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interesting questions, mainly about why it made
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no sense. But also it made us think about other
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movies, which also some of them kind of horrible,
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but this genre of the sex comedy and what the
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sex comedy is supposed to be and whether we're
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done with it, whether as a culture, whether we
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can resurrect it and what what of the sex comedy
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and how we see certainly in one night only a
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real peculiar understanding of sex among Gen
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Z millennial. I mean, they're too young for millennials,
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whatever. Let's just say Gen Z. And so for those
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of you who have not seen One Night Only. And
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probably never will. And probably never will.
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And again, we don't recommend a watch. I think,
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again, as I read it in one review, it's like
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a plane movie. I agree with that. Yes. If something
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with Jennifer Lopez is not available on the plane,
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then watch this. For sure. Then watch this. For
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sure. This is a good play. Because you as well
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will probably start thinking of all of the completely
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illogical moments that are bonkers in this film.
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So the basic premise, in case you don't know,
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this is a United States where a few years before
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the action of this film happened, all premarital,
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and I think probably extramarital sex we don't
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know has been outlawed and it's kind of futuristic
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in that some biotech company has contracted with
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the government to put little tattoos on people's
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wrists to signify and you can choose your tattoo
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you oh I miss that That's why she chose the bridge.
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Oh, of course, of course. How could I forget
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that incredibly important thought point? Because
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it actually is. So you are tattooed if you are
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married or single and the whole thing is that
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there is one night a year when single people
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can have... Sex you can have sex apparently as
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many times as you want with as many people as
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you want But it is within that very set and it
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actually kind of was unfair because it's not
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a full 24 hours It's it really is a night a night,
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but here's the other thing. Okay To people who
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are wondering what I wondered, how do they know
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if you're having sex? Well, some kind of pheromones
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go off with your tattoo and the government will
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find out and police will come to your house and
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punish you and put you in prison and who knows
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what if you try to have sex with someone you
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are not married to. okay and so married people
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have certain color tattoos and single people
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have certain color tattoos like one is red and
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one is green i don't know and it like flat your
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red tattoo flashes green when you can actually
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have sex on this one night one night yes and
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so in effect we have what kind of seems to be
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a classic rom -com, a woman and a guy, Allie
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and... Owen. Owen, I've already forgotten his
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name. Owen owns a pizza shop. And Allie is an
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aspiring singer, and we're supposed to think
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she's a huge failure, even though she's singing
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like commercial jingles, which seems okay to
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me. Yeah, I'd be fine with that. Anyway, so we
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have a classic rom -com in that they meet each
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other, it's awkward, they keep running into each
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other, for reasons we don't quite understand.
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In route to having sex with other people. On
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route to having sex with other people. They seem
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like to have this kind of like hating relationship,
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which again makes no sense other than the fact
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that it's fitting a trope. Well they're both
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like attractive and there's absolutely no reason
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why the two of them shouldn't just go off and
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have sex. Yes. No. But in the middle of this,
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Ali's friend immediately meets another guy and
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has sex with him. And we see all these other
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people making out on top of tables in restaurants.
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We see people just kind of attacking each other.
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And these two, for whatever reason, just keep
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seeing each other. And they're like, nope, we're
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not going to do it. We're going to go find someone
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better. Oh, no, here's the reason why. I forgot.
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What? They are both committed to doing it with
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somebody that like means something to them. Oh,
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and here's another thought point that we didn't
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mention. Oh, yes. Owen has a girlfriend. Okay.
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Owen has a girlfriend. And the girlfriend announces
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at the beginning of the night, for reasons we
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don't know, I want to have sex with someone else
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tonight. Now keep in mind, listeners, she has
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not been able to have sex with her boyfriend
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Owen. For a year. For a year. They've had sex
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twice. They've had sex twice. Twice. Yes. Because,
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of course, again, they are not married. They
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are just dating. And so, for whatever reason,
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other than the plot, she goes off with someone
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else. And so, again, we have this kind of oh
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and alley back and forth. And one of the things
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that is also mysterious, Lauren and I had many
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questions about the logistics. As you would to
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listeners if you watched this. Yes, the logistics
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of this. One of the most basic ones, everyone
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is dressed in this really slutty way, whereas
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you could just basically be wearing like a garbage
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can and still get laid in this world where you
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just have like 18 hours or whatever it ends up
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being. The other question is, what constitutes
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sex? Because there are so many people making
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out and... whatever they're doing, they're filling
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each other up, they're all over each other, and
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then we're like, well, couldn't they do that
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normally? Normally, yes. What's the problem?
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What's the line that is crossed on the other
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364 days of the year? It's very, very unclear.
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Yes, and the movie also very kind of awkwardly
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shoe horns in this whole, like, oh, here's what
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happens with gay couples, where we're sort of
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led to believe that... There's not a problem
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for gay couples because they're just doing it
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anyway, which again was never really explained
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particularly well. No. But so we are basically
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talking just about straight people in this film.
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We are. So one of the things that then we really
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were so curious about is that, and certainly
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showed up in a lot of the reviews, this is a
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film that ends up being unbelievably conservative
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about sex. At exactly the same time, it claims
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to be criticizing conservatism about sex right
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it's supposed to be you know down with the totalitarian
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state right that's enforcing this mandate upon
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us okay but at the same time people are so skittish
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about any kind of you know non -normative sex
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so when people propose three sons people like
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Again, the queer sex is never addressed. And
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there are a number of other issues that come
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up that kind of fall outside the box of just
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anything that's just not vanilla. And everyone's
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like, oh no, we can't do that. And it in a lot
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of ways makes fun of people. I mean, there's
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a scene where Owen's... Mother? Yes. Is having
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sex with her - Played by Molly Ringwald? Yeah,
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with Molly Ringwald. Having sex with this guy
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in like bubble wrap. LeVar Burton. LeVar Burton.
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Okay. And everybody's like, oh my god! How weird!
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How kinky is that? Bubble wrap! Yeah. It doesn't
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show any kind of playfulness or any kind of like,
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wow, this is the night that we're really gonna
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like explore. Let it go. We're really gonna let
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it go. Let it go. You don't see any sex clubs,
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you don't see any kind of... There's nothing
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happening besides heterosexual couples going
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off and then having sex. And you really don't
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even see repetitive sex happening. No. You don't
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see somebody be like, I got laid 20 times. Come
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on. Good for me. Well, and what makes the whole
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thing I think especially weird is that I expected,
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and I'm guessing you did too. We didn't talk
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about this before. So there's an entire. passage
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where the two of them end up going to sort of
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this hidden party somewhere in Brooklyn or whatever.
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You know, it's like black limos and people at
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the door. Blindfolds. And I was like, this is
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going to be the sex club. Eyes Wide Shut. It's
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going to be a dungeon. Eyes Wide Shut. We're
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going to get, yes, Eyes Wide Shut. Right. We're
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going to get like fists. We're going to get,
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you know, pee, whole shebang. Right. But no,
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it's just basically people clubbing and Ali ends
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up singing what some Yaz song as much as I love
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Yaz. No, it's like it's like just a regular
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old nightclub with like a band and nobody's doing
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anything except listening to the band and it's
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a strange thing. And the other the only way in
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which there's other than the bubble wrap that
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there's any hint of like, oh, something weird
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is that there is an obviously an older woman.
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who is coming on to Owen and makes very clear
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that I'm going to go have sex like with other
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people. But we definitely are supposed to think
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that she's gross. Yeah, we are supposed to think
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she's gross. And certainly not want him to have
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sex with her. No, because we want him to have
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sex with Ally. So the best part of this whole
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movie, and I'm sure you'll agree, is so at the
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end, I mean, like in true rom -com, you know.
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format these two wind up together and they go
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up to the lighthouse which is Ali's tattoo and
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they are like kissing and whatever and everyone
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in this theater is screaming "Do it do it" because
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they have like 10 more minutes before the night
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ends and then Owen says to Ali I think we should
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wait. I think we should wait. It was much like,
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remember the collective gasp when we saw Wuthering
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Heights? This was the collective groan. We were
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all like, oh my god. Are you kidding? I actually
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thought it was a joke. He was like, let's get
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to know each other. Let's get to know each other.
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For a year. We're gonna wait for a year. For
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a year. A year. And then they do. They do. And
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then, oh we haven't even talked about the weird,
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the weird ass. Okay, so there's this 12 year
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old kid in this movie. 12. They say, specifically,
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12. Who is kind of peering into these hookups
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with these other people, and he is in the final
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scene where Allie and Owen actually do have sex,
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which we don't see on screen, but this random
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kid is there. Is there. And, so what's so funny
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is that you have this juxtaposition of this incredibly
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sort of conservative view of the adult sexuality,
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but then this The 12 year old is saying the most
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vulgar, obscene, obscene thing. The 12 year old
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says to one of the female adults, sit on my face.
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I mean it's mind blowing. It is mind blowing.
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Where it's like what mind came up with both.
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And that's supposed to be funny. And it's supposed
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to be funny. And then yeah, so as you say to
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them, then the kid randomly is in their apartment.
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to call the cops or like child protective services
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here. Like who is his kids even parent or we
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don't even know and he's just like I'm so and
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we don't really get anything on the age limit
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for doing this. So he's like I want to get laid
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too and you're like you're 12. It's so gross.
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And it's like again what a totally bizarre idea
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of human but but I do think and I'm guessing
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that you will agree with me is that that to me
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also though was a perfect snapshot of Gen Z and
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now Gen Alpha sexuality, right? Where it's basically
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this like overload of like porn and like disgustingness,
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but then they're not actually doing it in real
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life. So it's like that was that pretty much
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summed it up, right? The 12 year old vulgar sit
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on my face kid and this unbelievable like, well,
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we need to wait a full year to like do it. And
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it was just for Gen Xers. It was just this. Totally
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upside down. The other thing that it was totally
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stupid on, and we talked about this, is contraception.
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It's like everyone's running around for a rubber
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and you're like, okay. Just what? Why? Something.
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You have one night, right? And everywhere's sold
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out and they're like pulling out like gloves
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and who knows what, okay? But nobody has any
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other sense of contraception. Nothing. And it
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is just the most bizarre world. It is. And nobody
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even bought them ahead of time. No, nobody even
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is like prepared for this one. You know, unlike
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in Porky's where they put them in the wallet,
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right? The classic, I have one in the wallet.
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Nobody had done this. Or like the guys that have
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like, you know, Sex and the City, Kim Cattrall,
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always walking around with like 30 ,000 condoms
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in her bag. She gets like, yeah, arrested. And
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in Abu Dhabi for having the condoms, right? Nobody's
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on the pill. Nobody, and something else of course,
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like there's no indication, I mean obviously
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of like sexually transmitted diseases because
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that, which is actually kind of funny because
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that would fit, because certainly the whole idea,
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right, is that sex is something super dangerous
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and it is to be avoided. And this isn't about
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like population control, they never tell you
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why they're doing this. They never tell you why.
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No, it's totally so contrived and just so weird.
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It is weird. It is weird. And the other thing
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is that nothing else like sex adjacent is like
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off the table either. They don't talk about like
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pornography. They don't talk about like, they're
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just like, it's just like the most traditional,
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you know, just penetrative sex that's outlawed.
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And it's just so bizarre. Like whoever wrote
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this, I don't know. It's so, again, and again
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with the kid, it just, it makes no consistent.
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Makes no sense. Although I will say, I mean I
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was wondering, and I might have mentioned this
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before, with the 12 -year -old boy who is super
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vulgar, I was reminded, since I've basically
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committed 40 -Year -Old Virgin to memory, and
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if you remember 40 -year -old - Virgin, there's
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the scene where he goes to the Planned Parenthood
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with his girlfriend's daughter to get some information.
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And there's a kid there, a young kid who keeps
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bragging about how much he's getting laid. And
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basically, and his dad says something like, you
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know, shut up Seth, we went to temple on Friday
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night after the kids like, you know, I just like
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banged so many people. And I was like, okay,
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again, to the writer of the film, like say, oh,
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that was so funny and amusing to see a super
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young kid making like obscene comments like that.
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I want that in my movie. without, of course,
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a very different, you know, sexual ethics than
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Forty Year Old Virgin. It's really not. No one needs
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to see that. So, there apparently was sex in
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this film, although we didn't see it. So that's
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pretty much it in One Night Only. Not recommended,
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but again, the sexual ethics of the film itself
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were fascinating. Yes. Definitely. It's a great
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film to talk about, but maybe not watch. But
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maybe not watch. So that made us go down the
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rabbit hole of other movies that both have the
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sort of one night sex hijinks theme or what happens
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when you have sex and it's either forbidden or
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there are consequences or it's being regulated
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or something like that. So Christine came up
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with us both watching It Follows, which she was
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scared of. Because I don't like horror movies.
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She doesn't like horror movies. So we watched
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it together at my house in broad daylight, which
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was our compromise, okay? It's not scary at all.
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It's not. I have to admit that. And really any
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episode of like most streaming television is
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scarier. But we watched It Follows, which I had
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never seen, she had never seen. And while it's
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not a sex comedy, it's definitely about these
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same themes and raises a lot of these similar
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questions. So the premise of this one, which
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took me a little while to kind of wrap my head
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around. It is another difficult concept. It is,
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really, seriously. It's a head -scratcher. Another
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one that raises the questions. Okay, so somebody,
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a person has sex and they then become This the
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target of it and this entity that can occupy
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demonic entity that can be looked like different
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bodies look like your mom could look like your
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sister could look whatever and comes after you
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in a very, very slow manner to kill you. And
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the only way that you can get rid of having this
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demonic entity. get away from you is to have
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sex with someone else and pass it on. But here's
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the catcher. If the demonic entity kills you,
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then it goes back to the person that before gave
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it to you, gave it to you by having sex with
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you. So logically, one would think and if it
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were me, as I told my partner, if this if somebody
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gave this to me, I would just go into like a
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bar with like, you know. 20 guys and spread it
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around and yeah totally yeah so that you would
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just be able to have this demonic thing following
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20 people and right just and and and i guess
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it would be away from me And Lizzie killed the
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20 people and then came back to me. Yes, but
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it would take some time. It would take some time.
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And if the 20 people had had sex with other people,
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it's like a line of succession in the British
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Royal Family. When you add more people, everybody
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else drops down. Totally. So you would think
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that this is what this movie is about, but it's
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not. But it's not. It's about this friend group.
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So this girl and what's her name? Jay? Jay. This
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girl Jay has sex with this guy, whatever. She
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gets the, she... He passes it on to her. He passes
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it on to her. The entity. The entity. And then
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her friend group is trying to help her get rid
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of it. Yes. So we have kind of like sort of Goonies
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it. Stand by me. Stand by me. I mean, exactly
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that kind of sort of like model of like the friend
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group. We're all going to kind of battle this
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together. Yes. Definitely Stephen King. And two
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of the guys are into Jay. Yes. But and so there's
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an ethical question of whether she actually wants
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to have sex with guys who like her and who are
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her friends who will then of course have this
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it thing following them. And we don't know. why
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the it thing is following. We know how the original
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guy that she has sex with got it, like a one
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night stand or whatever, but we don't know the
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origin story, basically. No, no, no. And maybe,
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because they aren't making a sequel, so actually
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maybe they will explain that in the sequel. Let's
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hope so. Let's hope so. Because I have a lot
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of questions. It was a lot of questions, a lot
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of questions. But the film is actually kind of
22:03
a downer, and we were kind of going, well, we
22:06
were kind of going back and forth about where
22:07
it was and I eventually guessed Detroit and I
22:11
was right. Because it absolutely is this kind
22:14
of just decaying city, Midwestern kind of these
22:18
houses that just look, you know, like junky.
22:21
But it's also set in the 70s or 80s. Yes, it's
22:25
very unclear because they have - The cars are
22:27
not - The cars look 70s, 80s, but then we have
22:30
like one of the friends is reading this kind
22:33
of birth control pill kindle, which is like so
22:36
weird, whatever that was supposed to be. And
22:38
so we do, but it is weirdly set. And so what
22:44
is interesting about it, and I do think this,
22:47
is obviously what the writer -director was going
22:50
for, is that obviously the entity can stand for
22:53
so many different things. Whether it's shame,
22:56
or regret, or again a sexually transmitted disease,
23:00
AIDS more specifically. That is, and in some
23:04
ways, I mean, it's not particularly subtle. No.
23:06
Right. Just in terms of like this thing that
23:08
you had sex and now you are going to die. You
23:10
will pay for it. You will pay for it. And I do,
23:13
I mean, we talked about there are all of these
23:14
different ways in which different components
23:17
of the ethics could have been fleshed out. And
23:19
one scene that Lauren and I talked a lot about
23:21
is there's a scene where Jay, again, the entity
23:24
has been following her. She has had sex with
23:27
one of these friends. Also, I don't know if we've
23:29
told. the listener, she's the only one that can
23:31
see the entity. So the entity, it's sort of like
23:34
Hollow Man. Like, you know, so her friends cannot
23:38
see the demon or whatever. She's the only one
23:41
that can see it. Which can be kind of slapsticky,
23:43
actually, in not an ideal way. Sort of like,
23:45
where is he? Where is he? Throwing a sheet on
23:47
his head and they're, you know, trying to figure
23:49
out where, and they're, point, point. You know,
23:51
it's kind of silly. It is kind of silly. But
23:53
then we also have moments where, for example,
23:55
we see the character Greg, who does die. after
23:59
having sex with her and there's this horrible
24:00
scene where basically the entity takes the shape
24:03
of his mother and who then has sex with him and
24:05
kills him. I mean it's just like yes it's awful
24:08
it was really really awful and so you do it's
24:10
it's a very strange juxtaposition but a scene
24:13
that Lauren and I talked a lot about after Greg
24:15
has died she decides so she's next again right
24:20
and so she sees three men out in what looks to
24:23
be Lake Michigan in a boat and she very clearly
24:26
sort of swims out to them. And then the next
24:29
time we see her, she is soaking wet in her car.
24:32
So we don't know, as viewers, did she have sex
24:34
with all three of them? Did she have sex with
24:36
one of them? Or none of them. Or none of them.
24:38
And the only thing we know is that then the entity
24:41
does start following her again. So either she
24:43
didn't sleep with them, or she did, and all three
24:46
of them are already dead. Or it doesn't matter.
24:48
Or it doesn't matter. Or it doesn't matter. I'm
24:50
like the first guy to sell, but they've got the
24:51
rules wrong. I mean the other thing is, the only
24:56
person who tells her the quote rules, right,
24:59
is that one guy. So we don't know whether he
25:02
fully understands that either. Yeah, that's true.
25:03
That's a good point. Maybe it doesn't even matter
25:06
if you sleep with more people, maybe you're always
25:07
going to be followed around. Yeah, that's true.
25:09
Because what we do also see is, spoiler alert,
25:12
at the end of the film, the sort of very sweet
25:15
boy who has had a crush on her since childhood,
25:18
she does have sex with him. And again, as we
25:21
said, like the ethics are really complicated.
25:23
She seems a little too willing, I think, to have
25:26
sex with these... friends that she cares about.
25:29
Although the one friend it seemed like you know
25:31
because she was in the hospital and like seriously
25:34
like hospitalized with her arm in a cast and
25:36
like barely mobile and he comes in and it seems
25:39
like he cares about her and he's just like it's
25:41
just like okay like let's see what happens. The
25:44
other one you know, with the guy who is, like,
25:47
really in love with her and, you know, again,
25:50
obsessing about her since childhood, she is very,
25:53
you know, she's completely by the end into that.
25:56
And he had said to her a couple of times in the
25:58
movie, like, I'm up for this. I'll take the risk.
26:00
I'll take the risk for you. And she's like, no,
26:03
no, no. And then finally, I guess to see if they
26:06
have because before that, they think that they
26:09
have killed the entity. But we don't know if
26:13
they really have or not. Or if they just killed
26:15
one in life. Or they just killed one. And so
26:17
what we see at the end, actually what seems to
26:19
make a great deal of sense, I hate to say it,
26:22
is that we see him driving past prostitutes.
26:24
Right. In Detroit. It does make a lot of sense.
26:27
But then what is confusing is that he doesn't
26:29
do anything with them. Not that we see on screen,
26:32
but I think the intimation, yes, is supposed
26:34
to be either he has or that's the plan. But what
26:39
confuses it is that at the very end, we do see
26:42
them being followed from a distance by someone.
26:45
And so it's like, okay, did he not have sex with
26:47
the prostitutes? Which again, would be a really
26:49
smart strategy. So there really is, I think again,
26:54
in a very Stephen King -esque way, there's no
26:56
real resolution. Right now, because they don't
26:59
even know how they could even kill the entity
27:00
in the first place. Yeah. But again, this is
27:03
like where it starts to get kind of crazy for
27:05
me because I'm just like, OK, again, the most
27:07
logical solution to this problem. No one ever
27:10
does that. Because the plot point is an interesting
27:13
great story of the kids together and then they
27:17
are teenagers. I mean, yes She seems to be going
27:19
to like community college or something, right?
27:22
Yeah, you know, they're young people. What? Yeah,
27:24
they're 20 and so it's it's kind of like yes
27:27
the easy solution to this wouldn't have made
27:29
this a movie but it's also like stupid, because
27:35
yeah, I mean, while it's not like great to think
27:37
about this woman like going out and having sex
27:39
with 50 people that would save her life. That
27:41
would. Yes, because basically we would then have
27:44
a sort of Ponzi scheme of sex deaths. Right.
27:47
Because all of those people would then basically
27:50
be having sex with other people. Especially if
27:52
she told them, oh, you're it. Like after an interview,
27:56
hey, somebody's going to come and try to kill
27:58
you now. So you need to go like find this other
28:00
person. Yes. Like immediately. But it is, I mean,
28:03
it really, I do think it would have been, I mean,
28:05
I don't have any interest in seeing it again,
28:07
certainly. But I think - Although you can see
28:09
it on your own. I could, but I mean, you know
28:12
it's not scary. It actually also reminded me
28:14
of like living in South Bend, you know, that
28:16
same kind of like, you know, the kind of like
28:19
depressing kind of, again, decaying vibe. Sorry,
28:22
South Bend. No. But I do wish that they had spent
28:25
more time on the ethics of it. No, agree. Because
28:29
it really isn't discussed a lot. And I just,
28:34
but, but. It is interesting to see the film came
28:37
out in 2014 and so what can we call
28:41
it a millennial film sort of a millennial sexual
28:44
ethics because this also much like one night
28:47
only right it is an unbelievably conservative
28:50
film in terms of sexual ethics. Other than just
28:53
saying well okay i need to go have sex with other
28:55
people in order to get rid of this thing that
28:58
i have now. Well, it's trying to say I'm trying
29:02
to preserve my meaningful relationships and also
29:05
not get killed. Yes. And it's kind of like, well,
29:09
but the other thing is it has that we talked
29:11
about this like old trope of these like slowly
29:14
moving zombies. I mean, the idea that any of
29:19
these pretty fit young kids couldn't outrun these
29:24
zombies. I mean is and they don't like fly or
29:28
ship shift around or you know jumper they just
29:31
they just are like. But that's of course I mean.
29:35
In a sense kind of the the fact that so often
29:38
when we see them they look weird and creepy that.
29:43
actually counterproductive. Because again, the
29:45
shocking, awful death is the mom, right? And
29:48
you think that actually, if the entity wanted
29:50
to really like kill these people, it actually
29:52
makes more sense to be like, I'm gonna look like
29:54
the postman, right? As opposed to like, I'm going
29:56
to look like an old woman who just escaped from
29:58
a nursing home. You know, the entity really needed
30:01
to sort of think that through, I think a little
30:03
bit more. Because so often, it's not creatures
30:05
who look familiar, right? It is. people, bodies
30:09
that are themselves decaying, right? Again, sort
30:12
of like who look ill, who look dead. And a lot,
30:14
but they're naked a lot of the time. And they're
30:16
naked a lot of the time. I mean, it's like when
30:17
that guy's mom who's like, you know, it was so
30:20
awful. It was so awful. It was so awful. It was
30:24
so. That was the worst, worst, worst moment in
30:28
that. And but what was interesting about that
30:30
is that he was the skeptic. Right. He's the one
30:32
who's like, oh, this isn't really happening.
30:34
And you know, I'm going to be fine. And you know,
30:37
nothing has come after me yet. And so that really
30:39
was very good. But if you see your mom, like
30:41
with some blood trickling down her head with
30:43
her boob hanging out, you might think, hmm, is
30:46
this really my mom? Yeah. You might, you might.
30:50
But again, but he had not seen an entity yet,
30:53
right? That's the other thing, right? Because
30:54
he had never seen, this is the first one that
30:56
he sees. And so he has no conception, right,
30:58
of the ones that Jay has been seeing. So it is
31:01
an interesting film in that it's don't have sex
31:04
with people, but then you need to have sex with
31:07
people, which was... Or you need to think about
31:11
whether you just want to die. Yeah, yeah. But
31:14
no, that was just, but again, it was interesting.
31:17
I'm glad that we watched it. I have no interest
31:19
in seeing it again. But will we see the sequel?
31:22
I don't know. I don't know. I mean, if they explain
31:25
where the entity actually came from. Well, now
31:27
I kind of want to know. I mean, I don't know
31:29
if I want to watch that girl again. Just read
31:30
the Wikipedia. Okay. All right. I'll see where
31:34
I am in life when that comes out. But I was also
31:38
trying to think, okay. I meant to pay $4 to rent
31:41
this one. I owe you $2, by the way. I owe you
31:45
$2. I don't know if I want to pay another $4
31:47
to rent the next one. Well, maybe it'll be fantastic.
31:50
I don't know. Maybe it will be. did look at the
31:53
cast but um but I do I do wonder because in some
31:57
ways it's like oh it's so not 80s but then it's
32:00
like well you know I mean I guess you could argue
32:02
that it follows is kind of sharing that whole
32:05
80s horror yeah the people right who have sex
32:07
are the ones who die and obviously Halloween
32:09
being the perfect example of that right where
32:12
it's like the teenagers who basically are like
32:14
lustful and screw they're the ones who die and
32:16
that's of course made fun of in Scream yes yeah
32:19
yeah yeah um and So, it's funny that in a post
32:23
-Scream world, this would be made in some ways.
32:27
Because it's precisely the kind of - Jamie from
32:29
Scream, or not Jamie Kennedy, but that character.
32:31
Yeah, I know you're talking about the Skeetal
32:33
- Yeah. No. Oh, no, no. Jamie Kennedy. Oh, Jamie
32:35
Kennedy. Okay, yeah. I don't know what his name
32:37
would be. Yeah, I don't know. But anyway, yes,
32:39
the kind of person that those like meta film
32:41
horror guys would have been like, It's interesting
32:46
that that kind of straight up, you have sex,
32:49
you die is coming back in a post -screen world.
32:52
Yes, but in a very, again, kind of like weird
32:56
and depressing way. Not that the first version
32:58
wasn't depressing, but do you know what I mean?
32:59
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was just so... I don't know.
33:02
And that's why, again, I do wonder, and then
33:04
we can move on. I do wonder, as I said when we
33:06
were watching it, like I wonder if it is the
33:08
case that the whole sort of like late 70s, early
33:10
80s kind of feel isn't just harkening back to
33:13
some sort of John Carpenter, you know, Halloween
33:15
world, but that it is very specifically like
33:19
a pre -AIDS world. And who knows? Who knows?
33:23
Who knows? And again, maybe the sequel will be
33:26
incredible and we'll be like, oh my God, that
33:28
sequel sounds amazing. I doubt it. I doubt it.
33:31
I doubt it. But, you know, who knows? Knowing
33:34
us, I mean, we really won't watch anything. As
33:36
our next films prove. Now I'm going to preface
33:39
this by saying we chose two movies that won both
33:44
of us as, you know, teenagers saw multiple times
33:49
and loved, and thought this movie was great.
33:53
And so the rewatch, like I was looking forward
33:55
to the rewatch. The other, I think we were both
33:57
under the impression that this was an awesome
34:00
treasure. Hilarious. And hilarious that for some
34:03
reason we hadn't seen the whole way through at
34:06
least. And that we were going to love these movies.
34:09
And these two movies are Bachelor Party. movies
34:13
from the 80s, from the early 80s, and Porky's.
34:16
And we were under some spell. Delusion. Delusion.
34:21
That we were going to be revisiting these gems
34:24
of our childhood. Side splitting. Okay. Laugh
34:29
riots. All right. So let me tell you something,
34:33
listeners. If I were to have heard that Porky's
34:38
is a central commentary on anti -Semitism, I
34:43
would have never believed it, but it is! Porky's
34:48
is more about anti -Semitism than it is about
34:52
anything else, including sex. Naked girls in
34:54
the shower. And naked girls in the shower. And
34:56
it is really anti -Semitism. The message of Porky's
35:00
is Jews are great. Jews are the heroes. Yes.
35:03
Yes, these are great. It is mind blowing. It
35:07
was unbelievable. And so again, for those of
35:12
you who don't remember Porky's or maybe just
35:14
remember the shower scene, Porky's takes place
35:16
in what we thought was the 50s. I would say 1955.
35:23
That's what I landed on. Because we have a reference
35:25
to Dwight Eisenhower as president. So I'm going
35:27
with 1955. And guys in high school who, of course,
35:33
are 30 or 40 plus in real life. It's like stalker
35:37
chanting and this. And they're super horny. And
35:40
they just want to have sex. And one of them is
35:42
a virgin. And one of them is a virgin. And they
35:45
just want to get laid. All the time. All the
35:48
time. And that's pretty much... And look at naked
35:50
girls. That's pretty much the plot. Not that
35:52
there's anything wrong with that. No, because
35:53
there isn't. There isn't. There's nothing wrong
35:55
with that. No, but what... this then turns into
35:59
is this like commentary on the Everglades and
36:04
like class and police corruption and like domestic
36:10
child abuse and again anti -semitism and so one
36:16
of the characters is this oh and racism yeah
36:19
and racism anti -black racism yes yes it was
36:22
all who knew all the boxes checked The only thing
36:27
that didn't show up was nuclear war. Right. Everything
36:30
else. Environment. Okay. The environment I don't
36:35
think was mentioned. So these guys are, I mean,
36:39
of course they all want to get laid and Porky's
36:42
is this, you know, bar slash, you know, road
36:46
house, strip club, whatever, brothel. And they
36:51
want to go there and they want to, you know,
36:53
have sex with the women there. and Porky, you
36:57
know, kind of cons them, steals their money,
37:00
kicks them out, humiliates them, totally humiliates
37:04
them, they fall into the lake, whatever, the
37:06
police come. So that's the Porkies of it. But
37:10
the real story is that one of the guys in the
37:14
group, and these guys are, we kind of talked
37:17
about this, indistinguishable from one another.
37:19
Just too many of them. And there's a whole lot
37:21
of them. Yes. And so there's this one guy who
37:24
is an anti -Semite and several episodes where
37:28
other guys are like, well, do you really want
37:32
to say those things? And then they say to the
37:33
Jewish guy, well, but he's still our friend.
37:36
And then they have a fight. And then the guy
37:38
loses to the Jewish guy. And then the guy's father
37:41
beats him up because he lost to the Jewish guy.
37:43
Because he lost to the Jewish guy. And the guy's
37:45
father had just gotten out of prison and was
37:47
the child abuser. Yes, totally. And then the
37:51
guy with this awakening, like this like kumbaya
37:54
awakening, he befriends the Jewish guy, and then
37:58
he's like, you know, where there really is a
38:00
Semitic is out in Porky's. And it's just like,
38:03
you might want to change your name when you go
38:05
there. It is absolutely crazy. So while all of
38:10
this is happening. There are these episodes,
38:13
which I guess the film is most famous for, where
38:15
the guys are peeping Toms and they want to look
38:18
in on the girls they go to high school with in
38:21
the shower. And they do, but the girls don't
38:25
really care. And once they find out the guys
38:28
are there, they're just like, oh my god, you
38:29
guys. So gross. It's just the whole thing. Okay,
38:33
but here's the one reason maybe to watch Porky's,
38:36
but then maybe just that part. So our girl Kim
38:39
Cattrall is in it. Looks beautiful. She's a brunette.
38:43
It looks great. She looks great. She is the only
38:46
person in the movie who we see on screen having
38:48
sex. Yes. Which is hilarious. I have to interject.
38:52
Yes. With Boyd Gaines, who is the... boyfriend
38:57
slash fiance of Allison in The Sure Thing. Oh
39:01
my god. Jason, a law student. That is Boyd Gaines.
39:05
Isn't that amazing? Are you serious? So he's
39:06
playing like a high school coach in 1981 and
39:09
then he's basically like a college student four
39:11
years later. That is Boyd Gaines. Isn't that
39:13
crazy? Crazy. Crazy. So I'm glad that he actually
39:16
got a lot of sex in Porky's because of course
39:18
he doesn't get it in The Sure Thing. Correct.
39:20
So, well, we don't know about a lot. Just that
39:22
episode. True. With Kim Katra. Yes. Kim Cattrall,
39:28
but that's all we see of her. But she does look
39:30
great and she's doing a thing. You really can
39:36
imagine someone watching her have that orgasm
39:39
in Porky's and saying she absolutely needs to
39:42
be in sexist. Absolutely. That's the audition
39:44
tape. It is. Right there, the orgasm. It is.
39:46
It's incredible. It is. It's incredible. What
39:49
else do we have to say about Porky's? Well, I
39:51
think it is important for us to remind our listeners
39:54
that it was a super smash hit. It was so successful,
39:59
right? One of these films that is made for like
40:02
nothing and then makes like a gazillion dollars.
40:04
So many sequels. So many sequels. Like over and
40:07
over. Yes, which is just unbelievable. And one
40:09
thing that we talked about that is so interesting
40:12
about it, it really is this kind of almost perverted
40:16
sort of American graffiti. on the one hand, and
40:19
kind of like a high school sex version of Animal
40:21
House, sort of on the other. And you really,
40:24
I hadn't, not having sort of sat down and watched
40:26
it before, I didn't realize that. But in a sense,
40:29
you can say, okay, these two films, then. create
40:32
all of these sex comedies throughout the 80s.
40:34
And again, I never in any way would say, oh,
40:37
American Graffiti is kind of like the grandfather
40:38
of sex comedies. Do you know what I mean? In
40:40
Animal House, it's easier to see, but Animal
40:43
House isn't particularly interested in sex. poor
40:49
stepchild to those movies. It's such a bad movie.
40:52
It's the B minus version. It's like the B side.
40:56
It's so bad. And it's like everything about it,
41:00
like the production quality, the cost, I mean,
41:03
everything is like really rough. Yes. And we
41:06
talked about how the, it doesn't consistently
41:09
look like 1955. No. Right. I mean, we have the
41:11
kind of the needle drops, which tell us that
41:13
where it's like, oh, okay, we're listening to,
41:14
you know, "Maybelline" or whatever. But some of
41:17
the girls have clear perms. Some of the boys
41:20
have their feathered hair. And everyone talks
41:23
like they talk in the 80s. Everybody has a vulgarity.
41:28
And all the slang is 80s. I mean, nobody is speaking
41:31
beach blanket bingo or something like that. These
41:37
are kids in the 80s. Yes, like where the boys
41:39
are. Where the boys are. We don't have any kind
41:41
of... Yes. No, but it's not like... It's like
41:43
we're science guys. No, absolutely. It talks
41:46
like that. Absolutely. So yeah, I mean, they're
41:50
just like, the whole thing is just so crazy.
41:54
And so what's crazy with this and Bachelor Party,
41:56
which we'll talk about in a second, is that we
41:59
just couldn't understand why we liked it to be,
42:01
or why we were like, this was a great movie.
42:03
We can't wait to watch it again. And you know,
42:05
it has this lore. So funny. So funny. So not
42:09
funny. So not funny. And also like, And, you
42:13
know, obviously we were young when this came
42:15
out. So a lot of adult things or sex things are
42:18
funny. And that can be explained away, but some
42:20
of it is truly disturbing. And I'm just like,
42:23
how did I think that that was funny as a kid?
42:27
The gym teacher. The gym teacher pulling on the
42:29
high school boy's penis. Yes. Yes. Who, of course,
42:32
looks older than she does. Yes. So that makes
42:35
it better. I mean, honestly, if you were pulling
42:37
on the 12 -year -old from the other movie, that
42:40
would be awful. But it's because the guy is the
42:44
same age as the film teacher. Yes. So you're
42:47
like, but it's so gross. It is gross. And we
42:50
talked about the, there's a scene where sort
42:52
of the whole group of boys, they're like standing
42:54
there naked for this lineup where this like hooker
42:56
examines them. And it just, it was really sort
42:59
of creepy. And yeah, it just, I do wonder, you
43:05
know, thinking about it now. because it actually
43:07
wasn't i mean i guess what animal house comes
43:09
out in 1978 and i guess you can imagine a world
43:12
and saying like oh okay like college age people
43:15
will want to see this right but i think what
43:18
is so strange is that then in effect it did kind
43:21
of sink down age -wise do you know what i mean
43:23
in terms of the audience and kind of what it
43:25
was talking about? I don't know. I don't know.
43:27
Yeah. It just, again, it doesn't age. And Jim
43:30
and I were talking, just because we were talking
43:31
about tennis, we were talking about Caddyshack.
43:32
Oh yeah, yeah. And like, I mean, Caddyshack another,
43:35
but Caddyshack is still funny. Yeah. I mean,
43:38
at least I hope so. Yes, it is. But the last
43:41
time I've seen Caddyshack, because it's always
43:42
on cable, things like that, like it's funny.
43:44
I mean, it's always going to be funny. This just,
43:47
and also because it doesn't have any like stars
43:50
in it, it doesn't have any good acting in it.
43:53
It's just, ugh. All right, let's move on. Speaking
43:56
of good actors. So we're going to go to Bachelor
43:58
Party and I'm going to say Tom Hanks, who I am
44:02
a huge Tom Hanks fan. I think he's great, but
44:04
he's particularly great in this because it's
44:07
so bad. And he is the... Well, he's not elevating
44:11
it. No, he's making it watchable. He's making
44:14
it tolerable. Tom Hanks is so sweet and funny
44:19
and raunchy and all of it in Bachelor Party.
44:22
And he holds it together. but the rest of it
44:26
is just a total train wreck. And again, you and
44:29
I both remembered and we saw it so many times.
44:33
It's amazing to me. It is like watching that
44:36
again and just being like, yes, like, how is
44:39
this funny? Nothing is funny. And again, it came
44:43
up when I was a freshman in high school, I think.
44:47
And so, I mean, obviously my standards for comedy
44:49
were extremely low, but I just remembered again
44:52
being like, hilarious. You know, we have the
44:56
donkey. The donkey doing the coke is the funniest
45:01
part. It is a great visual. Okay, but the rest
45:04
of it is so bad. But like the Chippendale scene.
45:07
I thought that was like hilarious. So for those
45:10
of you again who need reminding. I mean, and
45:12
the title says it all. And the reason we picked
45:14
it is because it is this one night only parallel.
45:18
Tom Hanks gets engaged to Tawny Catan, and he's
45:22
this crazy, wild and crazy guy. Wild and crazy
45:26
guy. Bus driver. He's a bus driver. His friends
45:28
are just crazy guys. They don't want any commitment.
45:33
They just want to go out and do whatever, have
45:35
fun. And so he, when he gets engaged, of course,
45:38
his friends want to throw him this insanely crazy
45:40
bachelor party. And Tonika Tam's like, you know,
45:43
no sex for you that night. No hookers. No hookers.
45:47
Okay. And then she's also like, super, super
45:51
waspy, rich, um, country club ish kind of person.
45:56
And he is not. And he is not. And his father,
45:59
her father hates him. And then there's this kind
46:01
of like, you know, classic, like blonde preppy
46:04
asshole, like garden variety, 1980s film character
46:08
who used to date her and the father wants her
46:11
to be with him and to break up her and Tom Hanks.
46:14
and so hijinks ensue and the bachelor party starts
46:17
and then she has her own bachelorette shower
46:21
which starts out very prim but then gets so raunchy
46:25
because you know the hookers show up there and
46:28
then they go to a strip club and before you know
46:31
it everyone's at the tom hanks bachelor party
46:34
and so we have again over the course of a fairly
46:39
tight amount of time. And it is very funny that
46:41
by the time the bachelor party is over, it's
46:43
broad daylight, and a movie theater is now showing
46:46
like movies. But anyway, and so we have this
46:50
super weird moment that again, was hilarious
46:52
back in 1984, where her very conservative mother
46:55
ends up basically like pulling on again, much
46:58
like in parkies, penis pulling pulls on a man's
47:02
penis, which has been put into a hot dog bun
47:04
on purpose and put on a tray as kind of a practical
47:07
joke by Tom Hanks's character. and Rick and his
47:11
friends. And so... And when we saw the movie,
47:14
we thought the mother was old. Yes, and she's
47:17
probably like 45. Younger than us. But we thought
47:20
the mother was old. We definitely thought the
47:22
father was old. Both of them are like in all
47:25
kinds of really... odd sexual positions throughout
47:28
this whole movie. And her sister too. It's also
47:34
this turn on these conservative people who are
47:37
actually super wild and want to do these crazy
47:40
things and you're just like, what? racist, it's
47:47
homophobic, it's offensive to pretty much every
47:50
minority group, and it's just, and which, you
47:53
know, from the time, you know, we expect that
47:56
from the 80s, but none of it's funny. I mean,
47:59
it's, you know, none of it's even funny. I mean,
48:02
even in a, like an offhanded way, it's just,
48:06
it's not like airplane. It's not like you're,
48:08
and that's, you know, the more that time goes
48:10
by, the more I appreciate Airplane. It's like,
48:12
it's just brilliant. It's just so funny. It's
48:15
so funny. And this was, and I think maybe, I
48:18
mean, cause of course there's no plot in Bachelor
48:20
Party. And we talked about this, like literally
48:22
there's no plot. The only kind of thing is like,
48:24
well, okay. Will he, won't he? Will he, won't
48:25
he? think he's going to because he's such a great
48:28
guy. And he loves her so much. And he loves her
48:31
so much. And it's so clear that he loves her
48:33
so much. There's never any moment when they're
48:35
together or even when he's with her family that
48:38
you think, oh, he's going to be tempted and he's
48:40
going to... Never. Never. Never. And so there's
48:43
no real... And again, it's like, well, how much
48:44
can the guy like Cole, sort of the preppy guy
48:46
do? I mean, he ends up kind of kidnapping her,
48:48
but it's like, okay, that's, you know, he's not
48:49
going to like... forcibly marry her. And so there's
48:51
no plot. And we do, I mean, much like in Porky's,
48:56
right? We have the absolute trope of like, hookers
48:59
are so fun, and they're so fun and sweet and
49:02
like fun to party with. And they're always like
49:03
taking their tops off, right? We even see like
49:05
a vibrator, right? With the sort of girl on girl
49:09
action. Girl on girl action, yeah. Hookers are
49:11
fun. Hookers are fun, and apparently you actually
49:14
never have to pay for them. At least in bachelor
49:17
parties. And none of their pimps ever come after
49:20
them either in this one. I mean, the one guy's
49:24
like, I'm getting out of here once he sees the
49:25
donkey. And now he's like, oh. Yes, the muscle
49:28
sort of leaves too. So, but we do have, I mean,
49:32
one thing I do want to point out about Bachelor
49:33
Party, which I will say, back in 1984, shocked
49:36
me then, and still shocks me now. And it's not
49:39
the donkey snorting lots of cocaine. It seemed
49:42
so weird to me that, like, we see Rick's brother,
49:46
who is a doctor, right, we see his wife. And
49:49
we hear Rick's brother basically say, you know,
49:52
marriage is terrible and the first month is great,
49:54
but then it's a friggin bore. And we have already
49:57
seen Rick's sister -in -law at Chippendale's
50:01
kind of like, you know, dancing with one of the
50:03
strippers. Anyway, it was so shocking to me because
50:06
the guy is sleeping with hookers. Right. Rick's
50:09
brother is sleeping with hookers at the bachelor
50:11
party. And so there's this one moment when someone
50:14
comes to the party, nobody's there but Rick and
50:16
Rick is like, oh, everybody's busy in the bedrooms.
50:19
And we later see, we hear that his brother, yes,
50:21
has been sleeping with hookers. And that, to
50:24
me, was shocking. And again, I think remains
50:27
so. And I don't really know why. But I think,
50:31
and especially, again, I suppose... But I will
50:33
say this also. I read, and tell me if I'm wrong,
50:36
I read a little bit of Jewish coding in The Wife.
50:44
Interesting. Interesting. And also read her as
50:46
a little overweight. Yes. On attractive glasses.
50:49
I mean, for like 80s standards, like, you know
50:53
what I'm saying. Yes. Like, I mean, she's not
50:54
Tawny Cattain. No. And she's not Tawny Kitaen's,
50:56
like, hot, blonde, skinny friend. Correct. Or
51:00
even her sister. Or even her sister. Or even
51:02
that, like, weirdo who works with her at the
51:04
boutique, right, is supposed to be this very,
51:05
like, valley girl, sort of 80s weirdo. The sister
51:08
-in -law is definitely a standout. And she's
51:11
also a doctor. To me, I read this as like an
51:14
anti -feminist, like, and maybe anti -feminist.
51:17
And maybe I'm going a little too far on that,
51:20
but she's the only woman we know that has, she's
51:22
like, I'm a doctor. And she says it a bunch of
51:25
times. I mean, she and her husband are both doctors
51:27
in that practice. And although Tom Hanks can
51:32
run around on the chairs and like disturb, it's
51:35
just so crazy. I did read it as like, this is
51:39
a woman with a profession and they're gonna make
51:42
her look ridiculous. And I sort of read it that
51:45
way. Well that, okay, that's interesting. I would
51:47
say the counterpoint is that we actually do get
51:51
the sense from that Chippendale scene. I can't
51:53
believe we're breaking this down. that like that
51:58
she is sexually frustrated as well. Yes. Right.
52:00
But that was interesting to me and then we're
52:02
basically supposed to think well okay her husband
52:05
is also this like total dud sexually right now
52:08
she's here with this like hot guy and and of
52:11
course he sees her do that when she kind of rips
52:14
off the song with her mouth and you know so irate.
52:18
But that was interesting to me because we do
52:21
actually see her doing a similar kind of thing
52:24
as her husband. We do. She just basically doesn't
52:26
have sex with the Chippendales guy. No. Probably
52:28
because the Chippendales dancer was probably
52:30
gay. As Chippendales dancers traditionally were.
52:32
Do you know what's interesting about these movies?
52:35
I might be wrong, but no one is gay in any of
52:38
them. Except for the lesbian in one and only
52:42
who's like, yeah, we've just been doing it for
52:44
years. Oh, y 'all don't know. What about the
52:46
Marilyn Monroe? Oh, well, okay. I mean, yeah,
52:50
because obviously, I mean, because that's the
52:52
sort of thing is that. Well, I guess what I'm
52:55
seeing is there's there's that supposed to be
52:57
a joke. I mean, that goes with the whole like
53:00
disclosure, you know, like, yeah, transphobic,
53:02
blah, blah, blah, you know, 80s transphobia or
53:05
however you think about it. But. There is, I
53:09
don't expect 80s movies to be exploring gay sexuality
53:13
in any real depth. Yes. Okay. I do not either.
53:16
No. And actually, when I watched Clueless the
53:18
other night, I was like, huh, like, this is interesting
53:22
a little bit. I can't remember, is there a gay
53:24
character in Clueless? Yeah, yeah, her friend
53:26
Christian. Okay, I don't remember that at all.
53:28
Oh, okay. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, I remember that
53:30
character. in the more modern movies and seeing
53:35
the 2014 and then the one we just saw, there's
53:38
like no mention of it at all. Oh, you're right.
53:42
Really. But I think, I don't know, I mean, the
53:45
2014 one doesn't surprise me because I think
53:50
that's only just because of the mechanics of
53:53
the plot. I mean, it seems to me that that's
53:55
the sort of thing where the writer director might
53:57
have been like, OK, I mean, as with One Night
53:59
Only, OK, how does this work, right? In terms
54:02
of the the constraints that I have placed upon
54:04
my characters and upon the action of the film.
54:07
That makes some degree of sense to me. And I
54:09
think in terms of like Porky's, and again, my
54:12
bachelor party, but it's also, I mean, because
54:16
Porky's is representing mid 1950s, right? Florida.
54:19
And so it's like, okay. And I think that, but
54:22
thinking of a film made in the early eighties,
54:24
right? That to me is more, I mean, you and I
54:29
haven't even discussed this film, I think, but.
54:31
if you think about a film like Making Love with
54:33
Harry Hamlin, which basically came out around
54:36
that time, 1980, 1981. But the whole pose of
54:41
that film was like a very serious film. Sure,
54:45
sure. And even thinking of something like Cruising
54:47
with Al Pacino, which certainly people have complained
54:50
about over the years. But even that is intended
54:53
to be like, there is this kind of like other
54:55
sexual side. And I don't know. I don't know.
55:01
Yeah, I think they're yeah, it just to me that
55:03
would have just been a non -starter. Yeah, I
55:05
just was but again, but I mean obviously cuz
55:07
that's the thing is that the the sort of shorter
55:09
friend, right? He does he does have sex with
55:12
a man he does and however he doesn't realize
55:15
it which is again defies reality right but then
55:19
has the what is the conventional repulse yes
55:22
you know yes um reaction to it yes and and we
55:26
have the old like showers which again like was
55:28
something that was like hilarious to audiences
55:30
right i know in 1984 i know completely was i
55:33
know I know. I miss, I know. But again, talk
55:37
to youth, right, of like these hijinks were funny
55:40
because I was just really young and I thought
55:43
they were funny. I don't know why I thought they
55:44
were funny, but I definitely did. Yes. No, again,
55:47
I mean, that like hot dog thing was like... Yeah,
55:49
that hot dog thing. Hilarious. We all thought
55:51
that was funny. But we also, again, like I'm
55:54
just thinking back to Carrie Shack, we also thought
55:55
that the, whatever, the Tootsie Roll in the pool
55:58
is funny. I still kind of think it is. But I
56:00
still kind of think it is. So... um you know
56:03
there's there's um all kinds of 80s stuff that
56:06
you just don't know and christina and i did mention
56:08
by the way listeners that for some reason mooning
56:11
is now it's out of our culture which is probably
56:15
a good thing it is a good thing but he was but
56:17
all of these movies reminded us especially the
56:20
80s movies of the prevalence of mooning mooning
56:23
grease Yes. The short thing, as you remember.
56:26
Yes. Yes. There are so many movies with mooning
56:29
that, I mean, we would really need to do a deep
56:31
dive. And there probably is a website where you
56:33
could find like every movie with a mooning scene
56:37
and where you can find it in the movie. And again,
56:39
just not funny. No. It's not funny. It's not
56:42
funny, although a lot of people thought it was
56:46
back then. Yes. There were mooning scenes and
56:48
you heard everyone laughing in the theater. Yes.
56:51
And again, I'm not saying I was one of them,
56:53
but people, that was a thing. That was a funny
56:57
thing that people did. And I think, but maybe
57:00
we need to put it in the same category as streaking,
57:06
nudity in public, because of course people used
57:08
to streak, right? There was that sort of fad
57:11
and people thought that was hilarious. The very
57:14
idea of nudity in public spaces. And so I think
57:18
we can kind of. lump the mooning in with that.
57:21
But I do think overall, because we're almost
57:23
at our hour, it is, I mean, you and I have talked
57:26
about this so much before, and I'm endlessly
57:28
fascinated by it. Again, the sort of the open
57:31
sexuality of film for our generation in a way
57:35
that simply does not exist anymore. Does not
57:37
exist. Does not exist. And it's just, again,
57:40
endlessly fascinating to me. And that is why
57:42
I'm glad that we watched Porky's, because as
57:45
we talked about earlier, you really can see this
57:47
kind of transition. right from like those 70s
57:50
films that had naked boobs just because, you
57:53
know, high drama. Right now we can do it. But
57:55
the idea that then saying with Porky's, oh, but
57:58
wait a minute, the boobs aren't going to be in
58:00
some sort of like, you know, adult film about
58:02
infidelity or whatever, you know, some Oscar
58:05
bait. We're just going to put it in this like
58:06
junk film. Right. And then of course, we get
58:09
this like flood of sex comedies throughout the
58:11
80s. Right. Right. And I don't know. We also
58:14
get a lot of full nudity for women. Yes. Which,
58:18
you know, you don't see a whole lot in movies
58:20
now. Correct. Am I right about that? Yeah. And
58:23
again, we saw partial nudity and sort of far
58:26
away nudity and it follows. But again, it follows
58:28
was still like 12 years ago. Right. And again,
58:32
that was... There's no nudity in One Night Only.
58:34
No. And not even like, I mean... Not even like
58:37
a boob. Oh, wait, we saw his butt, right? Didn't
58:40
we see like... What's -his -name's butt wants
58:43
or something? I don't know. For a movie about
58:46
people having sex in one night, there was no
58:48
nudity. Oh, the guy she almost hooks up with.
58:50
Don't we see him like we see his butt? When he's
58:52
like running away. When he's like running away.
58:53
I don't know. Yeah, but it was very like non
58:55
-sex nudity. In these 80s movies, and I'm sure
58:59
we could think of many more, there is a lot of
59:03
full frontal nudity. And some of them just for
59:06
no reason. For no reason. But I won't, you know,
59:09
I will say we were talking before we started
59:10
about how HBO just did a big dump of Tom Cruise
59:13
movies. Right, right, right. And of course I,
59:16
and what they have now, Risky Business, the
59:17
greatest sex comedy ever made because it's a
59:21
fantastic film. It is. And when you think that
59:23
that came out only a couple of years after Porky's,
59:25
right, and is seven million miles beyond it.
59:28
But that is a film that actually dares to show
59:30
us, in some degree of detail, a high schooler
59:34
regularly having sex with a hooker. So we don't
59:36
have kind of the grossness of Porky's, but we
59:39
also don't have this kind of conservative idea
59:41
of sexuality of the films that we just talked
59:43
about. No, no, no, you're right. You're right.
59:45
No, you're totally right. So the cultural shift
59:48
is remarkable. And confusing. And confusing.
59:52
And confusing. I certainly don't understand that.
59:55
I think it's probably like, yeah, we had a lot
59:57
of exposure to all of these sex comedies and
1:00:00
all of this sex and all of this nudity, but I
1:00:02
think we were all still pretty confused. Yeah.
1:00:08
Well, on that note, Lauren, I think we have to
1:00:10
be done. All right. Well, I hope you enjoy this
1:00:13
episode, listeners. We are happy to be back with
1:00:16
you. So excited about the second season. We are
1:00:18
going to start thinking about our themes for
1:00:21
the next episode and episodes to come. If you
1:00:24
have any recommendations or requests. Happy to
1:00:26
listen. We will not do the Odyssey. We will not.
1:00:30
But again, not out of any kind of like... taste
1:00:34
reasons, but just just why. Just why. But the
1:00:37
Emmys are coming up too. Very exciting. So we
1:00:39
might need a wrap up or, you know, some kind
1:00:42
of Emmy review episode. So we'll think about
1:00:46
it. But until then. Until then. Harpies out.