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Cam Newton and Cam Jordan: The Rivalry Explained, Andrew Whitworth on Protecting the Trenches · NFL Game Previews

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  Speaker 1: I'm sitting here on Off the Edge the podcast with
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  Speaker 1: the man that needs no introduction of former NFL MVP,
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  Speaker 1: a man who can still sling the rock and we
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  Speaker 1: know he can do it if he gets a chance
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  Speaker 1: to do it. Somebody who's been a pro bowler, all
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  Speaker 1: pro NFL MVP should have been, you know, is the
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  Speaker 1: number one draft pick up, the most elite draft class
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  Speaker 1: to ever have been in existing in the twenty eleven
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  Speaker 1: draft class. You know, from a CAM to a CAM
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  Speaker 1: in a draft that had three cams. We're just missing
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  Speaker 1: the other one, you know as a Cam trifecta at
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  Speaker 1: the time. And here we are a CAM duo with
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  Speaker 1: Cam Newton, the man, the legend himself, mister game changer,
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  Speaker 1: two game manager, at the most relevant time of our
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  Speaker 1: NFL experiences. Uh, listen, what else can what else can
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  Speaker 1: I say that you get that you don't speak for yourself.
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  Speaker 2: We can say that we can enjoy each other's company.
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  Speaker 3: Now, I've always enjoyed your company, No like I didn't
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  Speaker 3: enjoy yours. Meant to be a troll, I think for you, Bro,
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  Speaker 3: And I was having this conversation with Matt Ryan yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me a more competitive division, right, during that.
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  Speaker 3: Two thousand and thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen seventeen in that
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  Speaker 3: Sea South.
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  Speaker 1: There wasn't how could there have been animosity at every level.
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  Speaker 3: Every out of what is it to out of eight
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  Speaker 3: games a year, that's half your schedule, you know, like
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  Speaker 3: the Saint's coming.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, not even locked in. Oh oh it's it's it's
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  Speaker 1: blood in the water.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, bro, tight yo up? Oh can I can? I?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, te yo up?
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  Speaker 3: Because Roma Harper petty King, like Jinx petty King, like
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  Speaker 3: all that pettiness. Also the mission don't don't don't, don't
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  Speaker 3: don't know. I said, oh my, that's just bro.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah it will.
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  Speaker 3: Was one of those times where it's like, bro, you
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  Speaker 3: got to tighten yo up because not only are they gritty,
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  Speaker 3: they have that continuity that a lot of teams miss
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  Speaker 3: when I think about great defenses.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard not to mention, you guys, it's kind of
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  Speaker 2: rain in that stint.
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  Speaker 3: Compared to the Baltimore Ravens, compared to the forty nine
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  Speaker 3: ers at that particular point in time, it was just.
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  Speaker 1: At a.
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  Speaker 3: Unit that thrived our opportunistics and was able to create
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  Speaker 3: pressure with just a four man.
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  Speaker 1: Rush man, and it was. It was a time to
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  Speaker 1: be had to like you know, there was there was
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  Speaker 1: times there was a touchdown that I think you had
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  Speaker 1: had in the end zone in the Superdome. You did
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  Speaker 1: the you know the patentent hand. They opened up the
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  Speaker 1: chest shoulder, you know, open up the Superman vibes, and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, man and you was like Loki pass
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  Speaker 1: passed by me and like had brushed me, and I
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  Speaker 1: was like this brush can't happen. So it was like
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  Speaker 1: I like I like jumped like it wasn't a brush,
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  Speaker 1: it was a bump. And You're like you like looked
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  Speaker 1: at me and like turn around and he doing these
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  Speaker 1: and my guy Curtis Lofton and like went up to
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  Speaker 1: push you next you know, big wiren push Curtis Lofton.
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  Speaker 1: I saw, I saw him go, and.
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  Speaker 2: I find myself in the back of the thirty.
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  Speaker 1: People fighting in thirty people fighting and next thing, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like I went to like grab October and you can't
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  Speaker 1: grab my tober. He got my weight and seving me
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  Speaker 1: tree stump, you know, and so Nix. You know, we're
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  Speaker 1: out here sprawled out fighting in the back and zone.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's times like that that you really enjoyed the rivalry,
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  Speaker 1: and that's what makes it feel.
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  Speaker 4: Like a rivalry, you know the thing.
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  Speaker 3: I know our rivalry was one to kind of consider,
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  Speaker 3: but being from Atlanta, Yeah, I don't think that there's
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  Speaker 3: a better rivalry than Atlanta and New Orleans.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, no, like that I hate him.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, It's one of those things that it's not even
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  Speaker 3: it's deeper than football in that thing because when Katrina hit,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of New Orleans natives came to Atlanta. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so that con that that type of connectivity back to
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  Speaker 3: the city of New Orleans and Atlanta, that merger and
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  Speaker 3: to have a football game, that's where it was like
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  Speaker 3: a little kind of different. And I only know that
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  Speaker 3: because I'm a native of Atlanta and seeing that type
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  Speaker 3: of you know, energy in the city for that particular time.
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  Speaker 1: Man, you know that that energy, Loan, this makes you
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  Speaker 1: like want to be a villain towards Atlanta and you
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  Speaker 1: know it just our our division, Loan, like maybe want
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  Speaker 1: to be a villain towards you because you are a
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  Speaker 1: minis towards everybody else, like you wore them up on
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  Speaker 1: other people's sidelines. And like just looking I was like
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  Speaker 1: it was like everything about him like you have to
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  Speaker 1: go after and so that said, now you're you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm in the podcast world. You've clearly got your podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Is that is that a rivalry hood? Like you've got
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  Speaker 1: you've got never that's your your your podcast? Tell me,
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  Speaker 1: tell me more about it. Because you sit down with
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  Speaker 1: the cigar, you got the lounge, you you're you're.
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  Speaker 3: That's missing right now? I mean I got it close by.
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  Speaker 3: It's just being authentic, authentic to who I am.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 3: I think for my whole career, a lot of people
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  Speaker 3: have always had the question, is Cam Newton real?
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  Speaker 2: Is this an energy that? Like what is he?
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  Speaker 3: You're not used to seeing this type of energy on
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  Speaker 3: the field. Folks are able to see a quarterback play
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  Speaker 3: and have fun and dance and jump around and.
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  Speaker 2: Like is that really? Like what the is that?
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  Speaker 5: Like?
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  Speaker 3: We can't So I've always had to protect, you know,
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  Speaker 3: my sanity, but also protect what I was playing for franchises, brands, players, coaches,
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  Speaker 3: and now in podcasts, and it's like I don't give
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  Speaker 3: a damn, Like let's like bring on.
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  Speaker 2: The problems, bring on the problems, bring like one of
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  Speaker 2: them things and I enjoy it.
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  Speaker 1: Brow you're just uncut.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, it's like when you're in this position, I'm
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  Speaker 3: able to tell these type of stories, you know, in
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  Speaker 3: an unfiltered way, not to protect anybody's image of anybody
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  Speaker 3: who knows me, know, like I.
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  Speaker 2: You'll keep the Bro code, the Bro code, but I'm
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  Speaker 2: able to tell.
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  Speaker 3: It more like cutting the way that it's like, yo,
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  Speaker 3: I could tell that you know what I'm saying, Like
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  Speaker 3: I just had, you know, a conversation with Greg Goldsen.
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  Speaker 5: Bro.
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  Speaker 3: We're just talking about certain things and it's like, damn dog,
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  Speaker 3: like I.
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  Speaker 2: Missed that absolutely and they asked me like, yo, Bro,
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  Speaker 2: are you coming back?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, Like I'm different, like I'm a family
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  Speaker 3: man now you know what I'm saying. I got children,
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  Speaker 3: I got kids that expected me to be home when
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  Speaker 3: they come back from school.
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  Speaker 1: And what can't be right? Because you know what we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna do. I'm just gonna shoot over to your podcast
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  Speaker 1: and we're gonna were gonna continue to if you want
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  Speaker 1: part part two to this part one, check me out
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  Speaker 1: off the Part two of the cams Apostophees. Here we
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  Speaker 1: are my podcast Off the Edge with me your host
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  Speaker 1: Cam Jordan, and it feels like a variety show because
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  Speaker 1: I get to see all these legends and media row
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  Speaker 1: at the Super Bowl, and I'm sitting here with a
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  Speaker 1: future Hall of Famer, a man who played twenty years
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  Speaker 1: in the league between the Cincinnati Bengals. Some people call
• 7:15
  Speaker 1: the Bengals, I call them Bengals in the Los Angeles Rams,
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  Speaker 1: winning a super Bowl with them and then walking off
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  Speaker 1: in style after the wind with Super Bowl and the
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  Speaker 1: babies had the kids there sitting there like my work
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  Speaker 1: is complete. Andrew Withwurthy, Man, I appreciate you tapping in man.
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  Speaker 4: Happy to be here. Bro, what a week man, it's
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  Speaker 4: been awesome. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, as a watch guy myself, I look down
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  Speaker 1: at the Panoria, I'm like, I like it. Come but
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  Speaker 1: no were.
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  Speaker 4: I just got it. When you're big, fatherly, you gotta
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  Speaker 4: have a couple accessories, you know, because everybody see you,
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  Speaker 4: Like God, this dude's huge. You know, you need a
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  Speaker 4: little something to kind of look.
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  Speaker 1: I'll cut your monts if you will. But sitting here,
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  Speaker 1: you know you started off in Louisiana, so we have
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  Speaker 1: our Louisiana connects here and living out in Los Angeles
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  Speaker 1: a place that I hope to one day get to. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: but the tax back the way the taxes work. I'ma
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  Speaker 1: be right there in Arizona. Yeah, yeah, I understand that,
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  Speaker 1: but you you're here. Media week clearly went to NFL honors.
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  Speaker 1: Uh do you still enjoy going to the honor shows?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I gotta say, first off, unbelievable. That was so good. Well,
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  Speaker 4: it's good. I can't I imagine they had to kind
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  Speaker 4: of like, let you know that was going on, and
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  Speaker 4: there might have been a little like we're doing what man?
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  Speaker 4: But that was cool. That was good, and that's exactly
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  Speaker 4: what happened.
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  Speaker 1: Like, Cam, you're gonna present the award, I said, dope,
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  Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins gonna be with you. Great, Hey, we got
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  Speaker 1: a little something specially awesome twenty four hours before Hey rehearsal,
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  Speaker 1: we got these dance moves.
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  Speaker 4: Excuse me, excuse me.
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  Speaker 1: I know I know how to pass rush. All right,
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  Speaker 1: all right.
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  Speaker 4: I thought it was awesome that. I actually thought it
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  Speaker 4: was probably one of the best honors I've seen. I thought, really,
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  Speaker 4: the whole show was awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Started off.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's Vegas, so yeah, it is. It's
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  Speaker 4: easy to kind of pull some of that off. But gosh,
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  Speaker 4: it was great.
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  Speaker 1: I thought, Man, it's it's awesome, especially when you talk
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  Speaker 1: about you, you being a Walter Payton Man of the
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  Speaker 1: Year winner a couple of years back. Just tell me
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  Speaker 1: about what it means to win, because I mean, I've
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  Speaker 1: been nominating three times, but as a winner, does it
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  Speaker 1: change perspective? There's James perception of.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think so. I think what's cool And I
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  Speaker 4: think sometimes, you know, you think about those awards, we
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  Speaker 4: talk about the winner, and you know, obviously Kim Heyward,
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  Speaker 4: unbelievably deserving, a tremendous human being, have had a chance
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  Speaker 4: with Thursday Night Football now to have them a couple
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  Speaker 4: years in a row and get to kind of tell
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  Speaker 4: his story and things that he does in the community.
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  Speaker 4: But I think also to me, we get lost in
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  Speaker 4: those other thirty one and it's like, man, all those
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  Speaker 4: guys are doing such amazing stuff, and I think that's
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  Speaker 4: one of the coolest parts of this league. And one
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  Speaker 4: of the rarest things I think about our business is
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  Speaker 4: that I don't know how many businesses in the world
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  Speaker 4: that the people who are benefiting from that business also
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  Speaker 4: are spending so much of their time investing all that
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  Speaker 4: back into the communities they play in the communities they
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  Speaker 4: came from. I just think there's such a spirit of
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  Speaker 4: pay it forward in our league that I just think
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  Speaker 4: is really cool that people feel that vibe from these
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  Speaker 4: players and they come to these shows. These guys love
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  Speaker 4: what they do, they have a passion be great at it,
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  Speaker 4: but they also have a passion for everyone else that
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  Speaker 4: they can help achieve those streams that they want as well.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, I always think about like just the highlight you're
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  Speaker 1: putting you like, I didn't even know he did the
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  Speaker 1: type of work, Like how how many guys are going
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  Speaker 1: out their way to give their time effort, you know,
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  Speaker 1: beyond just money, but just the ability to give back
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  Speaker 1: to the community for raise awareness for their for their causes.
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  Speaker 1: And uh. As much as I do, I feel like
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  Speaker 1: I'm always reinspired.
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  Speaker 4: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I'm not doing enough. I gotta do more.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, it's it's sort of like a competitive
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  Speaker 1: to give back mode. It's like, yeah, it is.
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  Speaker 4: I think you know this, like when you get nominated,
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  Speaker 4: you see the other guys that getting nominated, you go
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  Speaker 4: read what they're doing and you're like, dang, I need
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  Speaker 4: to get all.
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  Speaker 1: All I'm doing is giving up the two days or
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  Speaker 1: all I'm doing, It's like it becomes.
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  Speaker 4: I always felt challenged, like all right, I can do
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  Speaker 4: more like every time. And I think that's the cool
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  Speaker 4: nature of our league is it doesn't matter for competing
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  Speaker 4: on the field for wins or we're out there saying, hey,
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  Speaker 4: how can we affect the community and make a difference
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  Speaker 4: for people around us? Uh, let's be the best at it.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that's a nature and a vibe and
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  Speaker 4: a culture that we've started in that award and obviously
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  Speaker 4: Walter Payton set the president for all of us. That
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  Speaker 4: is a great thing for our league.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely tune this back to football, you know, wrapping up
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  Speaker 1: the award show. But there was a record number of
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  Speaker 1: sets that happened this year and as a defensive lignment,
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  Speaker 1: I love it. And as as after the season I had,
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  Speaker 1: I hated it because I mean I got injured Week eleven.
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  Speaker 1: It was sort of just like just a run stopper
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  Speaker 1: this year and it hurt my feelings. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: they're letting go sacks and here we are. You know,
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  Speaker 1: what do you think as an office alignment, like how
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  Speaker 1: did that come about? It? Is it timing from quarterbacks?
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  Speaker 1: Is it the lack of technique is officer of the
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  Speaker 1: linem a getting better and slower.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, you know, I think that there's a mixture of reasons.
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  Speaker 4: But I think one of the things that's affected the
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  Speaker 4: game too is that you could see the drop back
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  Speaker 4: game living in the shotgun world. I think you know
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  Speaker 4: this as a rusher, it's a much different world when
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  Speaker 4: he's under center, and you kind of got to think
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  Speaker 4: there might give be a combination of things that could
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  Speaker 4: happen on a play. And when they're gonna be sitting
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  Speaker 4: back there at eight yards and you know it every
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  Speaker 4: single play, it kind of gives you an opportunity to say, hey,
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  Speaker 4: I know where he's gonna be, and I know what
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  Speaker 4: I got to do to get there. And so I
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  Speaker 4: think there's there's a nature that's changing. And then also
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  Speaker 4: you look at it, really the true pocket passing quarterbacks,
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  Speaker 4: like there's just not as many that are just gonna
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  Speaker 4: sit there and stay there. There's a lot of guys
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  Speaker 4: running around now moving. They're being encouraged to Hey, I
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  Speaker 4: don't know what coverage it.
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  Speaker 1: Is, but you also don't know where your guy is because.
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  Speaker 4: You're, yeah, m the quarterbacks are moving. So those guys
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  Speaker 4: those ball in their hand longer always leads to more sacks.
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  Speaker 4: So I think that we're going to see that. But
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  Speaker 4: I think eventually like you're going to see a term
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  Speaker 4: because obviously it's been a point of since like improving
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  Speaker 4: offensive line play. And I talked to Roger Goodell actually
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  Speaker 4: a few weeks ago about how do we continue to
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  Speaker 4: make that an emphasis because it's just a challenge. You
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  Speaker 4: look at youth sports always saying let's go back to
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  Speaker 4: where it starts. You know, everything's kind of flagged now.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of guys are being pushed a less contact
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  Speaker 4: less hitting, so you're taking away really developing lineman at
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  Speaker 4: a young age. And then college football, that game's completely changed.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, they don't block any of the plays that
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  Speaker 4: they're going to block in the NFL football and college
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  Speaker 4: football anymore. And then in the pro game, we've taken
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  Speaker 4: away their offseasons. We've kind of taken away a lot
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  Speaker 4: of like that time in camp and those hitting days
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  Speaker 4: that they got to train to be alignment because it's
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  Speaker 4: just a different position. And so I think you really
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  Speaker 4: look at it on the back end and the front end,
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  Speaker 4: we've kind of taken a lot of the reps that
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  Speaker 4: developed these guys to be who they are, and so
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  Speaker 4: that's the challenge, and I think we got to find
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  Speaker 4: way as we can improve there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it takes a thousand hours of master craft and
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  Speaker 1: now you're working with like five hundred from even the
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  Speaker 1: time I got into the league.
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  Speaker 4: And think about it. Obviously, offensive linemen are not the
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  Speaker 4: best athlete on the field, but when we starting about
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  Speaker 4: pound for pound, moving bodies like that, who they are.
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  Speaker 4: It's one of the rarest positions in the world because
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  Speaker 4: it's the only one where you play with your back
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  Speaker 4: to the ball, like you were literally basing off of
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  Speaker 4: what you hope is happening behind you and playing a position.
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  Speaker 4: So it's awkward to learn. So it takes time to
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  Speaker 4: understand the body positions and really the feel that you've
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  Speaker 4: got to know without ever being able to see what's
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  Speaker 4: happening behind you the game. Yeah, man, he's getting he's
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  Speaker 4: getting look at it. I got him. He's Swain. He's
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  Speaker 4: kind of like the soft spot, right, He's like dangn no, no.
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  Speaker 1: See. As much as most of Chegri and I as
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  Speaker 1: I have against an offensive linement, it's because I started
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  Speaker 1: off that way. Like nobody, nobody wants to get off
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  Speaker 1: alignment like shot off like small balls like linebacker safety.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And then got to high school, was like offic aligneman,
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  Speaker 1: No ye do.
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  Speaker 4: I do with my kids? My kids team? I coach
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  Speaker 4: my kids, every kid on the team. I'm listen. You
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  Speaker 4: guys don't want to play oh line, y'all gotta go
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  Speaker 4: find some bigger kids, because whoever you are, that's the
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  Speaker 4: biggest You're playing O line like this is what it is.
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  Speaker 1: And so you know, once I had my chance, I
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  Speaker 1: was like d line and I'm never coming back. Yep,
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  Speaker 1: you know, but just beyond that, you know, beyond the
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  Speaker 1: office line play and even you know the amount of
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  Speaker 1: sacks that happened this year because I was excited about it.
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  Speaker 1: Just think about the rules that are affecting this game.
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: You know, we talk about the time that's affected the game,
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: the rules that are affecting this game. You know, the
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: line judge being behind the opposite line. So now it
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: seems like you know, officer the line and are clearly
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: getting away with jumping out sides. We're not gonna say
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: there's there's an offensive tackle on the Super Bowl, a
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl contending team that like leads the charging that
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: but this, Uh, the way the game is evolving and
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: the rules, how are guys? Is it affecting guys being
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: coached and is affecting technique?
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you look at it. There's obviously some
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: big ones that are coming up this offseason. I mean defensively,
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: the hip drop tackle stuff. You know, we're talking about
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: the line of scrimmage after the Gadarius Tony play and really, uh,
• 14:57
  Speaker 4: even on the other side with Joan Taylor in the
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: right tackle and his depth that he's said he sits
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: in his stance at I mean death is crazy.
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: I'm like, he's not even like you used to have
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: to be within Like what if the hip length of
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: the center. These guys are out here like a flying
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: V formation.
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: They are, And it's blown me away because throughout my
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: career it was always like first series of the game,
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: I'm annoyed, the guy's coming over telling me, like make
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: sure you stood up, make sure you stood up. And
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: it's just blowing me away that they've been able to
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: get away with it, like we've kind of eliminated what
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: that real line is anymore. And so I think there's
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: some things that need to get fixed. But also we
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: can't just continue to say we're gonna keep taking things
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: out of the game and taking hits out of the
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: game and these and it's just like, as a player,
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: you're like, man, I am so confused. How you want
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: me to even possibly play the game right? I can't
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: imagine being a defender right now and saying, like, what
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: exactly is my strike zone? Now? Not only do I
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: not have a strike zone, now you're gonna tell me
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: how I can fall and how I can dictate how
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: I drop on a tackle. Like, just to me, it
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: makes zero sense. It's like, I don't know how you think.
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: And I think that's the problem. Maybe I don't know.
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: I think they think you're thinking while you're doing these things.
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: It's like you're playing a game like an animal. You're
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: a tiger trying to get your prey on the ground. Right,
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: there's no thinking going into this. So I'm trying. I
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: got to process while I'm trying to tackle somebody.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: I'm about to hit a quarterback, But is it within
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: two steps of him releasing the ball. I've got to
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: hit a quarterback and as I was just smacking him
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: with all my force before he east the ground, let me
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: turn and then give myself an ac sprain, So this
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: quarterback's okay, Yeah, my chest.
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: Is like I want to see egregious things called outside
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: of that, like if it's debatable, like I don't want
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: if it's debatable, let's not call it. That's how I feel.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: That's literally like how I've always felt about when I
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: was like, let him play now if it's if it's
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: one of those like all right, yeah, sitch a button down,
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: like that's that's a flag.
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: If it's one of.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Those like what was he in the gray area? If
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: you don't let that play and let us have fun,
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: come on, make it fun again. You know, with your
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: legacy intact, you playing twenty years, you've seen a lot
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: of things come and go. You retire, and what is
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: it two years out? It's two years two years now?
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: The end of the era of the Bill Belichick and
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: Pete Carroll situation, you know, like an end of an era?
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Does that even sit right? Like it does it feel
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: weird to know Bill Belichick?
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: Like, yeah, I to think about we going the next
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: fall and there's no Bill Belichick, Pete Carroll and even
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: Nick Saban. I think it like like you just kind
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: of like in your mind you think of college football,
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: you think of pro football, You're like, all right, I'm
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: gonna see something about Nick Saban this fall. I'm gonna
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: seeth about Bill Belichick Pete Carroll. Like it's just it's
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: wild to think the next fall you're gonna be enter
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: that world. And it's it's, man, it's unbelievable because obviously
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: people could say whatever they want about the time when
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: Tom's being gone. What Bill Belichick's one of the greatest
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: coaches that's ever coach in the NFL period, That's it.
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: And then you know, Pete Carroll his legacies as unbelievable.
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: I mean talking about a guy what not just an
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: unbelievable coach, but could rally a football team at a
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: time where you're like, man, the Seas Salks are done,
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: they got no chance. And then all of a sudden,
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: you're like, whoa, We're playing the best team in the
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: NFL when you walk out there, and it's something magical
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: he was able to do to create this spirit with
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: his football team. And then obviously Nick Saban, you know,
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: I was his first recruiting class at LSU, got a
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: chance to play for him there, won a national championship
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: way back so to watch him walk away. Man always
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: is like one of the guys who had the biggest
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: influence on me in my entire life. And Bill used
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: to always come to our facility in the off seasons
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: when I was in college. There just being around those
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: two guys rare, rare coaches, Man, and I know a
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: lot of influence on who I am, no doubt.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate you tapping in. I a't gonna hold
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: up too much longer, you know. I feel like today's
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: podcast is like a variety show. We got a lot
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: of great a lot of legends going through and I'm
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: so happy that you were able to have find some
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: time to sit down with the kid on off the
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: edge of the podcast.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: Appreciate it. Man, You're an absolute legend yourself. Man, one
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: of the most unbelievable careers on the edge of anybody.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you, my guy.
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: I appreciate you.
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