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Setting the Compass of Your Heart: What Really Matters with Jack Kornfield · Deep Transformation

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  Welcome
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  to
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  part
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  one
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  of
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  our
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  conversation
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  with
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  renowned
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  Buddhist
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  teacher
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  Jack
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  Kornfield.
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  This
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  is
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  the
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  first
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  conversation
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  in
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  our
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  What
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  is
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  Greatness?
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  series
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  What
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  is
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  real
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  Greatness?
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  Sit
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  back
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  and
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  enjoy
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  as
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  we
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  explore
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  the
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  Dharma
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  together
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  with
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  Jack
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  Kornfield.
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  Welcome
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  to
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  Deep
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  Transformation,
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  Self,
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  Society,
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  Spirit.
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  Life
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  enhancing,
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  Paradigm
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  rattling
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  conversations
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  with
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  cutting-edge
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  thinkers,
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  contemplatives
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  and
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  activists
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  with
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  Dr.
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  Roger
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  Walsh
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  and
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  John
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  Dupuy.
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  I'm
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  Roger
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  Walsh
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  and
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  our
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  co
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  host
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  is
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  John
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  Dupuy.
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  And
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  today
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  we
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  begin
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  a
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  new
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  dialogue
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  series,
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  a
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  series
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  focusing
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  on
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  the
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  topic
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  what
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  is
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  real
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  greatness?
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  There's
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  been
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  talk
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  lately
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  about
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  making
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  America
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  great
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  again.
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  What
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  there
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  hasn't
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  been
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  talk
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  about
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  is
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  what
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  real
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  greatness
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  is.
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  And
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  the
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  assumption
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  seems
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  to
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  be
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  among
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  people
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  that
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  greatness
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  is
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  about
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  getting
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  more
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  money
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  and
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  power
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  for
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  me
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  and
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  my
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  country.
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  So
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  it's
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  from
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  the
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  historical
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  cross
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  cultural
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  perspective.
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  That's
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  a
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  pretty
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  puny
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  view
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  of
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  greatness.
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  It's
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  very
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  small,
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  very
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  egocentric,
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  nationalistic.
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  It
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  doesn't
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  encompass
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  the
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  well
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  being
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  of
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  everyone.
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  It's
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  not
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  doesn't
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  have
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  a
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  base
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  necessarily
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  in
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  compassion.
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  And
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  it's
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  very
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  interesting
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  that
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  there's
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  been
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  research
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  on
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  what
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  actually
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  makes
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  for
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  a
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  deeply
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  satisfying
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  life.
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  And
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  it's
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  very
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  clear
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  from
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  the
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  research
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  that
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  focusing
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  on
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  external
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  goals
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  like
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  money
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  and
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  power
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  just
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  isn't
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  enough
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  to
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  provide
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  a
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  foundation
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  for
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  a
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  truly
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  satisfying
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  life.
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  The
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  research
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  is
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  crystal
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  clear
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  on
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  that.
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  Rather,
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  what
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  it
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  turns
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  out
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  is
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  that
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  a
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  really
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  satisfying
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  life,
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  a
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  life
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  well
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  lived,
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  requires
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  larger
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  goals,
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  a
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  goal
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  of
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  contribution,
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  of
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  service,
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  of
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  deep
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  relationship
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  of
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  meaning
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  and
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  purpose.
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  Something
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  much
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  larger
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  than
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  just
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  getting
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  more
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  money,
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  grabbing
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  more
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  power.
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  So
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  we
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  want
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  to
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  begin
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  a
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  series
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  of
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  dialogues
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  to
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  kind
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  of
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  up
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  level
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  this
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  question
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  about
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  what
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  is
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  real
• 2:18
  greatness
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  and
• 2:19
  what
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  would
• 2:19
  it
• 2:19
  really
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  mean
• 2:20
  to
• 2:20
  make
• 2:20
  America
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  great
• 2:21
  again?
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  And
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  so
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  to
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  do
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  that,
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  we'll
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  be
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  dialoguing
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  with
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  some
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  truly
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  remarkable
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  and
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  great
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  human
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  beings.
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  And
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  we'll
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  also
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  be
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  looking
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  at
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  questions
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  like
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  what
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  are
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  the
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  wisest
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  people
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  of
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  history,
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  people
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  like
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  Socrates
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  or
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  Confucius
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  or
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  the
• 2:36
  Buddha
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  say
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  is
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  real
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  greatness?
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  And
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  what
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  are
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  the
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  truly
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  great
• 2:40
  saints
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  like
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  Saint
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  Francis
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  or
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  Pope
• 2:43
  Francis
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  say
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  is
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  real
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  greatness
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  both
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  in
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  individuals
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  and
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  in
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  countries?
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  And
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  what
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  do
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  the
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  great
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  benefactors
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  like
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  Mother
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  Teresa
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  or
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  Florence
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  Nightingale
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  say
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  is
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  real
• 2:57
  greatness?
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  These
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  are
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  the
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  kinds
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  of
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  questions
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  we
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  want
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  to
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  explore
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  and
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  the
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  kinds
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  of
• 3:02
  people
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  we
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  want
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  to
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  consult
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  as
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  we
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  dive
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  into
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  this
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  series
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  on
• 3:07
  what
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  is
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  real
• 3:08
  greatness?
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  And
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  to
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  begin
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  the
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  series,
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  we
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  have
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  very
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  fortunate
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  to
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  have
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  with
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  us
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  a
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  wonderful
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  human
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  being,
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  I'd
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  call
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  him
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  A
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  great
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  man,
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  except
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  I
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  don't
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  want
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  to
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  embarrass
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  him.
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  And
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  that
• 3:19
  person
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  is
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  Jack
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  Cornfield,
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  perhaps
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  the
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  Western
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  world's
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  best
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  known
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  meditation
• 3:24
  teacher
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  and
• 3:26
  possibly
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  Western
• 3:27
  world's
• 3:27
  best
• 3:27
  known
• 3:28
  Buddhist
• 3:29
  teacher.
• 3:29
  He
• 3:30
  played
• 3:30
  a
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  large
• 3:31
  role
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  in
• 3:31
  introducing
• 3:32
  mindfulness
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  into
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  the
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  West.
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  He
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  has
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  trained
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  literally
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  hundreds
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  of
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  thousands
• 3:38
  of
• 3:38
  people
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  and
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  touched
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  millions
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  through
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  both
• 3:40
  his
• 3:40
  teaching,
• 3:41
  his
• 3:41
  writings,
• 3:42
  his
• 3:42
  talks,
• 3:43
  his
• 3:43
  dialogues,
• 3:44
  his.
• 3:44
  He's
• 3:45
  also
• 3:45
  a
• 3:45
  PhD
• 3:46
  clinical
• 3:47
  psychologist
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  and
• 3:48
  author
• 3:49
  of
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  many
• 3:49
  books.
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  Off
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  the
• 3:50
  Top
• 3:51
  of
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  My
• 3:51
  Head,
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  A
• 3:51
  Path
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  with
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  Heart,
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  Beautiful
• 3:53
  Description
• 3:54
  of
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  the
• 3:56
  Spiritual
• 3:56
  Path,
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  a
• 3:57
  book
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  on
• 3:58
  the
• 3:58
  Wise
• 3:58
  Heart,
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  and
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  a
• 4:00
  book,
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  no
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  Time
• 4:01
  like
• 4:01
  the
• 4:02
  Present.
• 4:03
  And
• 4:03
  here
• 4:03
  we
• 4:03
  are
• 4:04
  in
• 4:04
  the
• 4:04
  present
• 4:04
  with
• 4:05
  Jack.
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  And
• 4:06
  I
• 4:06
  should
• 4:06
  just
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  say
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  that
• 4:07
  Jack
• 4:08
  changed
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  my
• 4:09
  life
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  dramatically.
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  I've.
• 4:11
  Bobby
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  spent
• 4:11
  a
• 4:11
  couple
• 4:12
  of
• 4:12
  years
• 4:12
  in
• 4:12
  meditation
• 4:13
  retreat
• 4:13
  with
• 4:13
  him
• 4:14
  and
• 4:14
  benefited
• 4:15
  enormously.
• 4:16
  So,
• 4:17
  Jack,
• 4:17
  welcome.
• 4:18
  And
• 4:18
  gosh,
• 4:19
  there's
• 4:19
  so
• 4:19
  many
• 4:19
  topics
• 4:20
  to
• 4:20
  explore
• 4:21
  with
• 4:21
  you,
• 4:22
  and
• 4:22
  you've
• 4:22
  been
• 4:22
  prolific
• 4:23
  in
• 4:23
  a
• 4:23
  number
• 4:24
  of
• 4:24
  ideas
• 4:24
  you've
• 4:25
  generated,
• 4:25
  a
• 4:26
  number
• 4:26
  of
• 4:26
  people
• 4:26
  you've
• 4:26
  touched.
• 4:27
  But,
• 4:28
  you
• 4:28
  know,
• 4:29
  maybe
• 4:29
  one
• 4:29
  place
• 4:30
  to
• 4:30
  start
• 4:30
  is,
• 4:31
  as
• 4:31
  I
• 4:32
  mentioned,
• 4:32
  I've
• 4:32
  sat
• 4:32
  probably
• 4:33
  two
• 4:33
  years
• 4:33
  of
• 4:33
  silent
• 4:34
  retreat
• 4:34
  with
• 4:34
  you,
• 4:35
  and
• 4:36
  you've
• 4:37
  given
• 4:37
  a
• 4:37
  lot
• 4:38
  of
• 4:38
  teachings
• 4:38
  during
• 4:38
  those
• 4:39
  times,
• 4:39
  and
• 4:40
  a
• 4:40
  lot
• 4:40
  of
• 4:40
  ideas
• 4:41
  I've
• 4:41
  taken
• 4:41
  and
• 4:42
  used
• 4:42
  and
• 4:42
  plagiarized.
• 4:44
  And
• 4:44
  one
• 4:44
  of
• 4:45
  them
• 4:45
  that
• 4:45
  comes
• 4:45
  to
• 4:46
  mind
• 4:46
  right
• 4:46
  now
• 4:47
  is
• 4:47
  you
• 4:47
  once
• 4:48
  asked
• 4:49
  a
• 4:49
  question,
• 4:50
  you
• 4:50
  point
• 4:50
  out
• 4:51
  that
• 4:51
  each
• 4:51
  of
• 4:51
  us
• 4:52
  has
• 4:53
  what
• 4:53
  you
• 4:53
  called
• 4:53
  a
• 4:53
  sacred
• 4:54
  question,
• 4:55
  a
• 4:55
  question
• 4:56
  which
• 4:56
  is
• 4:57
  at
• 4:57
  the
• 4:57
  center
• 4:58
  of
• 4:58
  our
• 4:58
  lives
• 4:58
  and
• 4:59
  purpose
• 4:59
  and
• 4:59
  meaning
• 5:00
  could
• 5:00
  be,
• 5:00
  you
• 5:00
  know,
• 5:01
  how
• 5:01
  can
• 5:01
  I
• 5:01
  love
• 5:02
  better?
• 5:02
  Or
• 5:03
  what
• 5:03
  would
• 5:03
  it
• 5:03
  mean
• 5:03
  to
• 5:04
  really
• 5:04
  help?
• 5:05
  So
• 5:05
  let
• 5:05
  me
• 5:06
  ask,
• 5:06
  I'm
• 5:06
  going
• 5:06
  to
• 5:06
  throw
• 5:07
  it
• 5:07
  back
• 5:07
  to
• 5:07
  you
• 5:07
  since
• 5:07
  you
• 5:08
  gave
• 5:08
  it
• 5:08
  to
• 5:08
  me
• 5:09
  quite
• 5:09
  some
• 5:09
  years
• 5:10
  ago.
• 5:10
  What's
• 5:11
  been
• 5:11
  your
• 5:12
  sacred
• 5:13
  question?
• 5:15
  Well,
• 5:16
  hi,
• 5:16
  Roger,
• 5:16
  I'm
• 5:17
  happy
• 5:17
  to
• 5:17
  be
• 5:17
  on
• 5:17
  the
• 5:18
  podcast,
• 5:18
  and
• 5:18
  hello
• 5:19
  to
• 5:19
  folks
• 5:20
  who
• 5:20
  are
• 5:20
  listening.
• 5:21
  I
• 5:21
  was
• 5:21
  just
• 5:21
  listening
• 5:22
  with
• 5:22
  pleasure
• 5:23
  to
• 5:23
  your
• 5:24
  introduction
• 5:25
  of
• 5:25
  what
• 5:25
  is
• 5:25
  greatness?
• 5:26
  And
• 5:27
  I
• 5:27
  don't
• 5:27
  want
• 5:27
  to
• 5:29
  kind
• 5:29
  of
• 5:29
  brush
• 5:29
  aside
• 5:30
  money
• 5:30
  and
• 5:30
  power
• 5:31
  so
• 5:31
  quickly
• 5:32
  to
• 5:32
  start
• 5:32
  with,
• 5:33
  I'll,
• 5:33
  I'll
• 5:33
  answer
• 5:33
  your
• 5:34
  question
• 5:34
  at
• 5:34
  some
• 5:35
  point,
• 5:35
  but
• 5:36
  I
• 5:36
  think
• 5:36
  it's
• 5:36
  actually
• 5:37
  interesting
• 5:37
  because
• 5:38
  if
• 5:38
  you
• 5:38
  look
• 5:39
  at
• 5:39
  history
• 5:39
  books
• 5:40
  and
• 5:41
  of
• 5:41
  course,
• 5:41
  then
• 5:41
  that
• 5:42
  immediately
• 5:42
  says,
• 5:43
  who
• 5:43
  writes
• 5:44
  history
• 5:44
  books?
• 5:45
  And
• 5:45
  whose
• 5:46
  benefit
• 5:46
  are
• 5:46
  those?
• 5:47
  You
• 5:47
  know,
• 5:48
  they're
• 5:48
  really
• 5:48
  about
• 5:49
  emperors
• 5:50
  and
• 5:50
  kings
• 5:50
  and
• 5:51
  an
• 5:51
  occasional
• 5:52
  queen
• 5:53
  and
• 5:53
  people
• 5:53
  who
• 5:54
  amassed
• 5:54
  a
• 5:54
  great
• 5:55
  deal
• 5:55
  of
• 5:55
  money
• 5:55
  and
• 5:56
  power.
• 5:57
  And
• 5:57
  they,
• 5:58
  they
• 5:58
  set
• 5:58
  a
• 5:59
  template
• 5:59
  for
• 6:00
  our
• 6:00
  aspirations,
• 6:02
  those
• 6:02
  of
• 6:02
  us
• 6:02
  who
• 6:02
  are
• 6:03
  educated
• 6:03
  in
• 6:04
  that
• 6:04
  system.
• 6:05
  So
• 6:06
  it's
• 6:07
  just
• 6:07
  worthy
• 6:07
  of
• 6:07
  noting
• 6:08
  how
• 6:08
  powerful
• 6:09
  in
• 6:10
  a
• 6:10
  different
• 6:10
  sense
• 6:11
  that
• 6:11
  whole
• 6:11
  archetype
• 6:12
  is.
• 6:13
  You
• 6:13
  could
• 6:13
  be
• 6:13
  a
• 6:14
  king,
• 6:15
  you
• 6:15
  could
• 6:15
  be
• 6:15
  a
• 6:15
  queen,
• 6:16
  you
• 6:16
  could
• 6:16
  have,
• 6:17
  you
• 6:17
  know,
• 6:18
  money,
• 6:18
  power,
• 6:19
  dancing
• 6:20
  girls
• 6:20
  and
• 6:20
  dancing
• 6:21
  boys
• 6:21
  and
• 6:21
  everything
• 6:22
  else
• 6:22
  you
• 6:22
  imagine,
• 6:24
  but
• 6:24
  particularly
• 6:24
  you
• 6:25
  could
• 6:25
  kind
• 6:25
  of
• 6:25
  be
• 6:25
  the.
• 6:26
  The
• 6:27
  monarch
• 6:27
  or
• 6:27
  the
• 6:28
  president,
• 6:29
  king
• 6:29
  or
• 6:29
  whatever
• 6:30
  you
• 6:30
  want
• 6:30
  to
• 6:30
  be.
• 6:31
  So
• 6:31
  that's
• 6:32
  just
• 6:32
  interesting
• 6:32
  to
• 6:33
  me.
• 6:34
  And
• 6:34
  then
• 6:35
  for
• 6:36
  those
• 6:36
  who
• 6:36
  are
• 6:37
  listening,
• 6:39
  one
• 6:39
  of
• 6:39
  the
• 6:39
  great
• 6:41
  and
• 6:41
  frequent,
• 6:42
  or
• 6:42
  most
• 6:42
  important
• 6:43
  and
• 6:43
  frequent
• 6:44
  opening
• 6:45
  lines
• 6:46
  in
• 6:47
  Buddhist
• 6:48
  texts
• 6:50
  is
• 6:50
  when
• 6:50
  the
• 6:50
  Buddha
• 6:51
  looks
• 6:52
  at
• 6:52
  whoever
• 6:52
  is
• 6:52
  there
• 6:54
  or
• 6:54
  speaks
• 6:54
  of
• 6:54
  them
• 6:55
  to
• 6:55
  them,
• 6:56
  and
• 6:56
  begins
• 6:57
  with
• 6:57
  the
• 6:57
  line,
• 6:58
  oh,
• 6:58
  nobly
• 6:59
  born,
• 7:00
  O
• 7:00
  you
• 7:01
  who
• 7:01
  are
• 7:01
  the
• 7:01
  sons
• 7:02
  and
• 7:02
  daughters
• 7:03
  of
• 7:03
  the
• 7:03
  awakened
• 7:04
  ones.
• 7:05
  And
• 7:05
  so
• 7:06
  this
• 7:06
  is
• 7:06
  a
• 7:06
  really
• 7:07
  beautiful
• 7:08
  turning
• 7:09
  of
• 7:09
  that
• 7:10
  kingship
• 7:11
  or
• 7:12
  queenship
• 7:12
  or
• 7:13
  emperorness
• 7:15
  to
• 7:15
  say
• 7:16
  you
• 7:16
  already
• 7:17
  are
• 7:17
  this.
• 7:18
  You
• 7:18
  were
• 7:18
  born
• 7:19
  with
• 7:19
  an
• 7:19
  inherent
• 7:20
  dignity,
• 7:21
  an
• 7:22
  inherent
• 7:23
  capacity
• 7:24
  to
• 7:24
  awaken.
• 7:25
  Sometimes
• 7:26
  talked
• 7:26
  about
• 7:27
  as
• 7:27
  Buddha
• 7:28
  nature
• 7:28
  or
• 7:29
  sometimes
• 7:29
  talked
• 7:29
  about
• 7:30
  as
• 7:31
  the
• 7:32
  timeless
• 7:32
  spirit.
• 7:34
  And
• 7:34
  that.
• 7:35
  That's
• 7:35
  actually
• 7:35
  who
• 7:36
  you
• 7:36
  are.
• 7:37
  And
• 7:39
  your
• 7:39
  whole
• 7:39
  spiritual
• 7:40
  journey
• 7:40
  is
• 7:41
  just
• 7:41
  to
• 7:41
  remember
• 7:41
  it
• 7:42
  in
• 7:43
  some
• 7:43
  way,
• 7:43
  to
• 7:44
  embody
• 7:44
  it,
• 7:45
  to
• 7:45
  experience
• 7:46
  the
• 7:46
  reality
• 7:47
  of
• 7:47
  this.
• 7:49
  One
• 7:50
  of
• 7:50
  the
• 7:50
  great
• 7:50
  historical
• 7:53
  stories
• 7:54
  that
• 7:56
  follows
• 7:56
  your
• 7:56
  introduction,
• 7:57
  Roger,
• 7:59
  is
• 7:59
  that
• 7:59
  of
• 8:00
  Emperor
• 8:00
  Ashok,
• 8:01
  or
• 8:01
  King
• 8:02
  Ashok,
• 8:03
  who
• 8:03
  lived
• 8:04
  from
• 8:04
  the
• 8:05
  historic
• 8:05
  accounts
• 8:06
  a
• 8:06
  couple
• 8:07
  of
• 8:07
  centuries
• 8:08
  after
• 8:08
  the
• 8:09
  Buddha
• 8:09
  in
• 8:10
  India.
• 8:11
  And
• 8:12
  he
• 8:12
  was
• 8:12
  a
• 8:12
  great
• 8:13
  conqueror
• 8:16
  and
• 8:16
  eventually
• 8:17
  united
• 8:18
  the
• 8:18
  lands
• 8:18
  all
• 8:19
  the
• 8:19
  way
• 8:19
  from
• 8:19
  Afghanistan
• 8:20
  on
• 8:21
  the
• 8:22
  western
• 8:23
  side
• 8:23
  to
• 8:23
  the
• 8:24
  borders
• 8:24
  of
• 8:24
  Burma
• 8:25
  on
• 8:25
  the
• 8:25
  other,
• 8:26
  and
• 8:26
  the
• 8:26
  entire
• 8:26
  Indian
• 8:27
  subcontinent.
• 8:28
  And
• 8:29
  as
• 8:29
  the
• 8:29
  story
• 8:30
  is
• 8:31
  written
• 8:31
  and
• 8:31
  told,
• 8:32
  after
• 8:33
  the
• 8:33
  last
• 8:34
  great
• 8:34
  battle
• 8:36
  to
• 8:37
  conquer
• 8:37
  the
• 8:37
  whole
• 8:38
  southern
• 8:38
  part
• 8:39
  of
• 8:39
  the
• 8:39
  Indian
• 8:40
  subcontinent,
• 8:42
  Ashok
• 8:43
  was
• 8:43
  sitting
• 8:44
  in
• 8:44
  his
• 8:44
  tent
• 8:45
  above
• 8:45
  the
• 8:45
  battlefield
• 8:47
  looking
• 8:47
  out
• 8:48
  and
• 8:49
  saw
• 8:49
  the
• 8:49
  bodies
• 8:50
  of
• 8:50
  some
• 8:50
  of
• 8:51
  his
• 8:51
  favorite
• 8:51
  warriors
• 8:52
  and
• 8:52
  generals
• 8:53
  who'd
• 8:54
  been
• 8:54
  killed
• 8:54
  in
• 8:54
  the
• 8:55
  battle
• 8:56
  and
• 8:56
  of
• 8:56
  course,
• 8:56
  the
• 8:57
  carnage
• 8:57
  of
• 8:57
  the
• 8:58
  war
• 8:59
  scene.
• 9:01
  And
• 9:02
  at
• 9:02
  the
• 9:02
  far
• 9:03
  edge
• 9:03
  of
• 9:03
  the
• 9:03
  field,
• 9:05
  he
• 9:05
  saw
• 9:05
  the
• 9:05
  sight
• 9:06
  of
• 9:06
  a
• 9:08
  orange
• 9:09
  robed
• 9:09
  Buddhist
• 9:10
  monk
• 9:10
  or
• 9:11
  a
• 9:11
  golden
• 9:11
  robed
• 9:12
  Buddhist
• 9:12
  monk
• 9:13
  walking
• 9:13
  slowly
• 9:14
  and
• 9:14
  peacefully
• 9:15
  on
• 9:15
  a
• 9:15
  path
• 9:16
  on
• 9:16
  the
• 9:17
  other
• 9:17
  side.
• 9:19
  And
• 9:19
  he
• 9:20
  reportedly
• 9:21
  said,
• 9:21
  I,
• 9:22
  who
• 9:23
  am
• 9:23
  now
• 9:24
  the
• 9:24
  king
• 9:24
  of
• 9:24
  lands
• 9:25
  as
• 9:25
  far
• 9:25
  as
• 9:25
  one
• 9:26
  can
• 9:26
  travel
• 9:26
  in
• 9:27
  every
• 9:27
  direction,
• 9:28
  who
• 9:28
  has
• 9:29
  everything,
• 9:30
  don't
• 9:30
  have
• 9:31
  the
• 9:32
  one
• 9:32
  thing
• 9:33
  that
• 9:33
  that
• 9:33
  monk
• 9:34
  has,
• 9:35
  which
• 9:35
  is
• 9:36
  a
• 9:36
  peace
• 9:36
  of
• 9:36
  heart,
• 9:37
  peace
• 9:37
  of
• 9:38
  mind
• 9:40
  after
• 9:40
  all
• 9:40
  the
• 9:40
  grief
• 9:41
  and
• 9:41
  the
• 9:41
  struggles
• 9:42
  and
• 9:42
  the
• 9:42
  battles.
• 9:43
  So
• 9:44
  he
• 9:44
  called
• 9:44
  the
• 9:44
  monk
• 9:44
  over,
• 9:46
  and
• 9:47
  that
• 9:47
  monk
• 9:47
  became
• 9:47
  his
• 9:48
  teacher.
• 9:49
  And
• 9:50
  at
• 9:50
  that
• 9:50
  point,
• 9:51
  Emperor
• 9:52
  Sho
• 9:52
  changed
• 9:53
  his
• 9:53
  tune,
• 9:54
  so
• 9:55
  to
• 9:55
  speak.
• 9:57
  He
• 9:57
  reviewed
• 9:57
  what
• 9:58
  Roger
• 9:58
  Walsh
• 9:58
  had
• 9:59
  been
• 9:59
  telling
• 9:59
  him
• 9:59
  about
• 10:00
  the
• 10:00
  limits
• 10:00
  of
• 10:00
  power
• 10:01
  and
• 10:02
  money
• 10:02
  and,
• 10:03
  you
• 10:03
  know,
• 10:03
  fame
• 10:04
  and
• 10:04
  those
• 10:04
  things.
• 10:05
  Okay,
• 10:05
  been
• 10:06
  there,
• 10:06
  done
• 10:06
  that.
• 10:07
  But
• 10:07
  I
• 10:07
  don't
• 10:07
  sleep
• 10:08
  well,
• 10:09
  you
• 10:09
  know,
• 10:10
  I
• 10:10
  don't
• 10:10
  have
• 10:10
  what
• 10:11
  that
• 10:11
  monk
• 10:11
  has.
• 10:13
  And
• 10:13
  we
• 10:13
  might
• 10:13
  ask
• 10:14
  ourselves,
• 10:15
  you
• 10:15
  know,
• 10:16
  in
• 10:16
  the
• 10:16
  end,
• 10:18
  what
• 10:18
  matters
• 10:19
  in
• 10:19
  terms
• 10:19
  of
• 10:20
  how
• 10:20
  we
• 10:20
  live
• 10:21
  and,
• 10:21
  yes,
• 10:22
  whatever
• 10:22
  accomplishments
• 10:23
  are
• 10:23
  there,
• 10:25
  and
• 10:27
  do
• 10:27
  we
• 10:27
  have
• 10:27
  a
• 10:27
  gracious
• 10:28
  or
• 10:28
  peaceful
• 10:29
  or
• 10:29
  steady
• 10:31
  or
• 10:31
  loving
• 10:32
  heart
• 10:32
  or
• 10:33
  wise
• 10:33
  heart.
• 10:35
  So
• 10:36
  the
• 10:36
  monk
• 10:36
  taught
• 10:37
  Ashok
• 10:38
  the
• 10:38
  basic
• 10:38
  principles
• 10:39
  of
• 10:39
  the
• 10:39
  Buddhist
• 10:41
  path
• 10:41
  to
• 10:42
  inner
• 10:42
  happiness.
• 10:43
  Because
• 10:43
  now
• 10:44
  we're
• 10:44
  shifting
• 10:44
  from
• 10:45
  the
• 10:45
  outer
• 10:46
  forms
• 10:46
  of
• 10:47
  happiness
• 10:47
  to
• 10:47
  the
• 10:48
  inner
• 10:48
  happiness.
• 10:49
  And
• 10:49
  those
• 10:50
  included
• 10:51
  generosity
• 10:52
  and
• 10:52
  care
• 10:52
  toward
• 10:53
  oneself
• 10:53
  as
• 10:54
  others,
• 10:55
  loving
• 10:55
  kindness
• 10:56
  and
• 10:56
  compassion,
• 10:57
  a
• 10:57
  steadiness
• 10:58
  of
• 10:58
  mind
• 10:59
  and
• 10:59
  heart,
• 10:59
  a
• 10:59
  peaceful
• 11:01
  practice
• 11:01
  of
• 11:02
  turning
• 11:02
  the
• 11:03
  busy
• 11:03
  mind
• 11:03
  into
• 11:04
  an
• 11:05
  abode
• 11:05
  of
• 11:05
  peace,
• 11:07
  respect
• 11:08
  for
• 11:08
  all
• 11:08
  beings,
• 11:09
  that
• 11:09
  they
• 11:09
  might
• 11:10
  also
• 11:10
  respect
• 11:11
  you.
• 11:12
  And
• 11:13
  taking
• 11:13
  these
• 11:13
  teachings,
• 11:16
  Ashok
• 11:16
  then
• 11:17
  transformed.
• 11:18
  And
• 11:19
  now
• 11:19
  in
• 11:19
  India,
• 11:20
  you
• 11:20
  can
• 11:20
  go
• 11:21
  to
• 11:21
  the
• 11:21
  far
• 11:21
  corners
• 11:22
  of
• 11:22
  the
• 11:22
  continent,
• 11:23
  literally
• 11:24
  thousand
• 11:24
  miles
• 11:25
  apart
• 11:26
  or
• 11:27
  thousands,
• 11:28
  and
• 11:28
  there
• 11:28
  will
• 11:28
  be
• 11:28
  these
• 11:29
  huge
• 11:30
  stone
• 11:30
  columns
• 11:31
  called
• 11:31
  Ashok
• 11:31
  pillars,
• 11:32
  on
• 11:32
  which
• 11:33
  are
• 11:33
  written
• 11:33
  the
• 11:33
  edicts
• 11:34
  of
• 11:35
  Emperor
• 11:35
  Ashok
• 11:36
  saying
• 11:37
  benevolence
• 11:38
  to
• 11:38
  all
• 11:38
  who
• 11:39
  live
• 11:39
  in
• 11:39
  this
• 11:39
  land.
• 11:40
  I,
• 11:41
  Ashok.
• 11:42
  And
• 11:42
  then
• 11:42
  he
• 11:42
  calls
• 11:43
  himself
• 11:43
  blessed
• 11:44
  of
• 11:44
  the
• 11:44
  gods.
• 11:45
  What
• 11:46
  a
• 11:46
  beautiful
• 11:46
  phrase
• 11:47
  to
• 11:47
  call
• 11:47
  yourself
• 11:48
  that.
• 11:49
  And
• 11:49
  I
• 11:49
  don't
• 11:50
  think
• 11:50
  it
• 11:50
  was
• 11:50
  just
• 11:50
  cause
• 11:51
  he
• 11:51
  conquered
• 11:52
  everything.
• 11:53
  But
• 11:53
  now
• 11:53
  I
• 11:54
  who
• 11:54
  are
• 11:54
  blessed
• 11:55
  of
• 11:55
  the
• 11:55
  gods,
• 11:56
  command
• 11:57
  or
• 11:59
  tell
• 11:59
  you
• 12:00
  that
• 12:00
  in
• 12:00
  our
• 12:01
  lands
• 12:02
  all
• 12:03
  human
• 12:03
  beings
• 12:04
  and
• 12:04
  all
• 12:05
  creatures
• 12:05
  will
• 12:05
  be
• 12:06
  retreated
• 12:06
  respectfully,
• 12:08
  as
• 12:08
  I
• 12:08
  have
• 12:09
  been
• 12:09
  blessed.
• 12:10
  That
• 12:10
  included
• 12:11
  the
• 12:11
  animals
• 12:12
  at
• 12:12
  that
• 12:12
  time.
• 12:13
  That
• 12:13
  all
• 12:14
  the
• 12:14
  spiritual
• 12:14
  traditions
• 12:15
  in
• 12:15
  India
• 12:16
  has
• 12:16
  this
• 12:16
  enormous
• 12:18
  cacophony
• 12:19
  of
• 12:19
  spiritual
• 12:20
  traditions,
• 12:21
  all
• 12:21
  talking
• 12:22
  to
• 12:22
  each
• 12:22
  other
• 12:23
  and
• 12:23
  vying
• 12:23
  with
• 12:24
  one
• 12:24
  another
• 12:24
  and
• 12:25
  so
• 12:25
  forth.
• 12:25
  It's
• 12:26
  a
• 12:26
  fabulous
• 12:26
  marketplace
• 12:27
  of
• 12:27
  the
• 12:27
  spiritual.
• 12:28
  All
• 12:29
  spiritual
• 12:30
  traditions
• 12:31
  should
• 12:31
  be
• 12:31
  honored.
• 12:32
  A
• 12:33
  virtue
• 12:34
  and
• 12:34
  integrity,
• 12:35
  speaking
• 12:35
  the
• 12:35
  truth,
• 12:36
  acting
• 12:36
  on
• 12:37
  behalf
• 12:37
  of
• 12:37
  beings,
• 12:38
  should
• 12:38
  be
• 12:38
  practiced
• 12:39
  by
• 12:39
  all.
• 12:40
  We
• 12:40
  should
• 12:40
  live
• 12:40
  in
• 12:41
  harmony.
• 12:41
  And
• 12:41
  it
• 12:41
  goes
• 12:42
  on
• 12:42
  and
• 12:42
  on.
• 12:43
  So
• 12:44
  this
• 12:44
  is
• 12:44
  kind
• 12:44
  of
• 12:44
  the
• 12:44
  archetypal
• 12:45
  story
• 12:46
  in
• 12:47
  history.
• 12:48
  And
• 12:49
  a
• 12:49
  show
• 12:50
  reigned
• 12:50
  for
• 12:51
  decades
• 12:52
  after
• 12:52
  that
• 12:52
  time
• 12:53
  that
• 12:53
  kind
• 12:54
  of
• 12:55
  demonstrates
• 12:56
  or
• 12:56
  shows
• 12:57
  us
• 12:57
  a
• 12:57
  picture
• 12:58
  of
• 12:59
  your
• 12:59
  introduction,
• 13:00
  Roger,
• 13:01
  of
• 13:01
  what
• 13:01
  it
• 13:02
  means
• 13:02
  to
• 13:02
  shift
• 13:02
  from
• 13:03
  outer
• 13:03
  greatness
• 13:04
  and
• 13:04
  power
• 13:05
  to
• 13:05
  the
• 13:05
  power
• 13:06
  of
• 13:07
  respect,
• 13:08
  integrity,
• 13:09
  compassion,
• 13:11
  generosity,
• 13:12
  and
• 13:12
  so
• 13:13
  forth.
• 13:13
  And
• 13:14
  beginning
• 13:14
  with
• 13:14
  that
• 13:15
  phrase,
• 13:15
  oh,
• 13:15
  nobly
• 13:16
  born,
• 13:17
  one
• 13:17
  of
• 13:17
  the
• 13:17
  other
• 13:17
  things
• 13:18
  that's
• 13:19
  a
• 13:19
  compelling
• 13:20
  image
• 13:20
  from
• 13:20
  the
• 13:21
  Buddhist
• 13:21
  teachings
• 13:22
  is
• 13:22
  that
• 13:22
  a
• 13:23
  prince,
• 13:23
  given
• 13:23
  that
• 13:24
  the
• 13:24
  Buddha
• 13:24
  was
• 13:24
  born
• 13:25
  into
• 13:25
  a
• 13:25
  princely
• 13:26
  role
• 13:26
  in
• 13:27
  a.
• 13:27
  In
• 13:28
  a
• 13:28
  kingdom,
• 13:28
  in
• 13:28
  the
• 13:28
  family,
• 13:31
  that
• 13:31
  a
• 13:31
  prince
• 13:32
  came
• 13:33
  to
• 13:33
  become
• 13:33
  ordained
• 13:34
  as
• 13:34
  a
• 13:34
  monk
• 13:35
  with
• 13:35
  the
• 13:36
  Buddha.
• 13:36
  He'd
• 13:36
  been
• 13:36
  listening
• 13:37
  and
• 13:37
  was
• 13:37
  inspired.
• 13:38
  And
• 13:39
  on
• 13:39
  that
• 13:39
  same
• 13:40
  day
• 13:40
  came
• 13:41
  another
• 13:42
  young
• 13:43
  man
• 13:44
  who
• 13:44
  was
• 13:46
  a
• 13:46
  shoemaker
• 13:48
  or
• 13:48
  a
• 13:49
  lower
• 13:50
  caste
• 13:51
  person
• 13:52
  in
• 13:52
  the
• 13:52
  Hindu
• 13:52
  caste
• 13:53
  system.
• 13:55
  And
• 13:55
  the
• 13:56
  Buddha
• 13:57
  went
• 13:57
  through
• 13:58
  the
• 13:58
  ritual
• 13:58
  of
• 13:59
  ordaining
• 13:59
  them
• 14:00
  and
• 14:00
  bringing
• 14:00
  them
• 14:01
  into
• 14:01
  the
• 14:01
  monastic
• 14:02
  order.
• 14:04
  And
• 14:04
  he
• 14:05
  made
• 14:05
  sure,
• 14:05
  as
• 14:06
  the
• 14:06
  story
• 14:06
  was
• 14:07
  told,
• 14:09
  that
• 14:09
  the
• 14:10
  shoemaker,
• 14:11
  who
• 14:11
  is
• 14:12
  the
• 14:12
  lowest
• 14:12
  of
• 14:13
  cast
• 14:13
  your
• 14:14
  feet
• 14:14
  touching
• 14:15
  the
• 14:15
  earth
• 14:15
  with
• 14:15
  all
• 14:16
  the
• 14:17
  excrement
• 14:18
  of
• 14:18
  the
• 14:18
  animals
• 14:19
  in
• 14:19
  the
• 14:19
  mud
• 14:19
  and
• 14:19
  so
• 14:20
  forth.
• 14:20
  And
• 14:21
  the
• 14:21
  prince
• 14:21
  who
• 14:21
  came
• 14:22
  in
• 14:22
  a
• 14:23
  chariot
• 14:23
  with
• 14:24
  a
• 14:24
  beautiful
• 14:24
  royal
• 14:25
  garments
• 14:27
  that
• 14:27
  the
• 14:27
  shoemaker
• 14:28
  was
• 14:29
  ordained
• 14:29
  first.
• 14:31
  And
• 14:31
  the
• 14:31
  tradition
• 14:32
  in
• 14:32
  the
• 14:32
  monastic
• 14:33
  order
• 14:33
  for
• 14:33
  monks
• 14:33
  and
• 14:34
  nuns
• 14:34
  is
• 14:34
  that
• 14:35
  whoever
• 14:37
  is
• 14:37
  ordained
• 14:38
  first
• 14:39
  becomes
• 14:40
  the
• 14:40
  elder
• 14:40
  or
• 14:41
  the
• 14:41
  senior.
• 14:42
  And
• 14:42
  those
• 14:42
  who've
• 14:43
  been
• 14:44
  ordained
• 14:45
  or
• 14:45
  become
• 14:46
  members
• 14:46
  of
• 14:46
  the
• 14:46
  order
• 14:47
  then
• 14:48
  must
• 14:48
  offer
• 14:48
  a
• 14:48
  bow
• 14:49
  to
• 14:50
  those
• 14:50
  who
• 14:50
  are
• 14:51
  senior
• 14:51
  to
• 14:51
  them.
• 14:52
  And
• 14:53
  here
• 14:53
  is
• 14:53
  the
• 14:53
  Buddha
• 14:54
  setting
• 14:54
  up,
• 14:55
  turning
• 14:56
  on
• 14:56
  its
• 14:56
  head
• 14:57
  the
• 14:57
  Hindu
• 15:00
  human
• 15:01
  cartography
• 15:02
  of
• 15:02
  the
• 15:03
  Brahmins
• 15:04
  at
• 15:04
  the
• 15:04
  top
• 15:04
  and
• 15:05
  the
• 15:05
  warriors,
• 15:06
  the
• 15:06
  Kshatra,
• 15:07
  the
• 15:07
  Shudras,
• 15:08
  and
• 15:08
  the,
• 15:09
  you
• 15:09
  know,
• 15:09
  all
• 15:09
  the
• 15:09
  way
• 15:10
  down
• 15:10
  to
• 15:10
  the
• 15:10
  untouchables,
• 15:11
  if
• 15:11
  you
• 15:11
  will,
• 15:12
  and
• 15:13
  saying,
• 15:13
  oh,
• 15:13
  nobly
• 15:14
  born,
• 15:15
  you
• 15:15
  are
• 15:15
  born
• 15:16
  with
• 15:16
  a
• 15:16
  nobility.
• 15:18
  Come
• 15:18
  and
• 15:18
  join
• 15:19
  us.
• 15:19
  And
• 15:19
  setting
• 15:20
  that
• 15:20
  up
• 15:20
  as
• 15:20
  the
• 15:21
  primary
• 15:24
  field
• 15:25
  of
• 15:25
  respect
• 15:27
  that's
• 15:27
  kept
• 15:27
  the
• 15:28
  order
• 15:29
  of
• 15:29
  monks
• 15:29
  and
• 15:29
  nuns
• 15:30
  and
• 15:30
  their
• 15:30
  teachings
• 15:30
  alive
• 15:31
  for
• 15:32
  2,600
• 15:33
  years,
• 15:33
  which
• 15:33
  is
• 15:34
  pretty
• 15:34
  long
• 15:35
  time
• 15:35
  for
• 15:35
  a
• 15:35
  company
• 15:36
  to
• 15:36
  kind
• 15:36
  of
• 15:37
  carry
• 15:38
  its
• 15:38
  mission
• 15:39
  and
• 15:39
  sell
• 15:39
  its
• 15:40
  products
• 15:40
  and
• 15:41
  things
• 15:41
  like
• 15:42
  that.
• 15:42
  So
• 15:43
  I
• 15:43
  have
• 15:43
  now
• 15:43
  taken
• 15:44
  the
• 15:44
  thread
• 15:45
  that
• 15:46
  you
• 15:46
  pulled
• 15:47
  in
• 15:47
  the
• 15:47
  cosmic
• 15:48
  weave
• 15:48
  and
• 15:49
  pulled
• 15:49
  us
• 15:49
  into
• 15:50
  a
• 15:50
  little
• 15:50
  bit
• 15:50
  of
• 15:51
  history
• 15:51
  from
• 15:52
  the
• 15:52
  Buddhist
• 15:53
  perspective.
• 15:54
  And
• 15:55
  I
• 15:55
  want
• 15:55
  to
• 15:55
  speak
• 15:56
  to
• 15:56
  the
• 15:56
  people
• 15:56
  who
• 15:57
  are
• 15:57
  listening,
• 15:59
  because
• 15:59
  this
• 15:59
  really
• 16:00
  raises
• 16:00
  a
• 16:00
  question
• 16:01
  for
• 16:01
  you.
• 16:01
  Not
• 16:02
  so
• 16:02
  much
• 16:02
  about
• 16:02
  money
• 16:03
  and
• 16:03
  power.
• 16:03
  I
• 16:04
  actually
• 16:04
  have
• 16:04
  come
• 16:04
  to
• 16:05
  like
• 16:05
  money.
• 16:05
  It's
• 16:06
  kind
• 16:06
  of
• 16:07
  sweet
• 16:07
  to
• 16:07
  have
• 16:07
  a
• 16:07
  bit
• 16:08
  of
• 16:08
  it
• 16:08
  anyway
• 16:08
  and
• 16:08
  not
• 16:09
  have
• 16:09
  to
• 16:09
  worry
• 16:09
  about
• 16:09
  it.
• 16:10
  Not
• 16:10
  so
• 16:11
  much
• 16:11
  that
• 16:11
  I
• 16:11
  need
• 16:11
  to
• 16:12
  be
• 16:12
  grand
• 16:12
  about
• 16:12
  it,
• 16:12
  but
• 16:13
  not
• 16:13
  to
• 16:13
  worry
• 16:14
  about
• 16:14
  it.
• 16:14
  And
• 16:14
  then
• 16:15
  I
• 16:15
  can
• 16:15
  give
• 16:15
  it
• 16:15
  away
• 16:15
  and
• 16:16
  do
• 16:16
  cool
• 16:16
  things
• 16:16
  with
• 16:17
  it
• 16:17
  or
• 16:17
  whatever.
• 16:18
  But
• 16:19
  there's
• 16:19
  something
• 16:20
  that
• 16:20
  I
• 16:20
  want
• 16:21
  to
• 16:21
  kind
• 16:22
  of
• 16:22
  ask
• 16:22
  as
• 16:23
  you
• 16:23
  listen,
• 16:25
  and
• 16:25
  that
• 16:25
  is,
• 16:25
  do
• 16:26
  you
• 16:26
  hold
• 16:26
  yourself
• 16:28
  with
• 16:28
  this
• 16:28
  quality
• 16:30
  of
• 16:30
  nobility
• 16:31
  and
• 16:31
  respect,
• 16:32
  of
• 16:32
  dignity?
• 16:34
  And
• 16:34
  I
• 16:34
  think
• 16:35
  of
• 16:35
  Nelson
• 16:36
  Mandela
• 16:36
  coming
• 16:37
  out
• 16:37
  of
• 16:37
  27
• 16:38
  years
• 16:38
  in
• 16:38
  Robben
• 16:39
  Island
• 16:39
  Prison
• 16:40
  with
• 16:41
  such
• 16:41
  magnanimity
• 16:42
  and
• 16:43
  graciousness
• 16:45
  and
• 16:45
  depth
• 16:45
  of
• 16:47
  compassion
• 16:47
  for
• 16:48
  all
• 16:49
  around
• 16:49
  him,
• 16:50
  as
• 16:50
  if
• 16:51
  to
• 16:51
  say,
• 16:51
  they
• 16:52
  can
• 16:52
  put
• 16:52
  your
• 16:52
  body
• 16:53
  in
• 16:53
  prison,
• 16:54
  but
• 16:55
  no
• 16:55
  one
• 16:55
  can
• 16:55
  imprison
• 16:56
  your
• 16:56
  spirit.
• 16:58
  And
• 16:58
  here
• 16:59
  you
• 16:59
  are
• 16:59
  in
• 16:59
  your
• 17:00
  life,
• 17:01
  both
• 17:02
  the
• 17:03
  outer
• 17:03
  freedoms
• 17:04
  and
• 17:04
  the
• 17:04
  outer
• 17:05
  prisons
• 17:06
  that
• 17:06
  you
• 17:06
  may,
• 17:06
  or
• 17:07
  the
• 17:07
  conditions
• 17:08
  you
• 17:08
  live
• 17:08
  in,
• 17:09
  but
• 17:10
  underneath
• 17:10
  that,
• 17:11
  can
• 17:12
  you
• 17:12
  remember
• 17:13
  your
• 17:13
  own
• 17:14
  beauty
• 17:14
  and
• 17:14
  dignity?
• 17:16
  And
• 17:16
  then
• 17:17
  can
• 17:17
  you
• 17:17
  see
• 17:17
  it
• 17:17
  in
• 17:18
  others?
• 17:20
  And
• 17:20
  that's
• 17:21
  what
• 17:21
  transforms
• 17:22
  you
• 17:23
  and
• 17:23
  a
• 17:23
  society
• 17:24
  is
• 17:24
  to
• 17:24
  remember,
• 17:26
  remember
• 17:26
  in
• 17:26
  this
• 17:27
  way.
• 17:29
  So
• 17:30
  then,
• 17:30
  Roger,
• 17:31
  you
• 17:31
  asked
• 17:31
  about
• 17:32
  Sacred
• 17:32
  Question.
• 17:35
  It
• 17:36
  changes,
• 17:38
  honestly,
• 17:40
  you
• 17:40
  know,
• 17:40
  it's
• 17:41
  very
• 17:41
  hard
• 17:41
  to
• 17:42
  fix
• 17:43
  a
• 17:43
  moment
• 17:43
  in
• 17:43
  my
• 17:44
  life
• 17:44
  and
• 17:44
  say,
• 17:44
  this
• 17:45
  is
• 17:45
  my
• 17:45
  great
• 17:45
  question.
• 17:46
  Who
• 17:46
  am
• 17:46
  I?
• 17:47
  How
• 17:47
  do
• 17:48
  I
• 17:48
  become
• 17:48
  free?
• 17:49
  I've
• 17:50
  had
• 17:50
  those
• 17:50
  moments,
• 17:51
  you
• 17:51
  know,
• 17:52
  I
• 17:53
  mean,
• 17:53
  when
• 17:53
  I
• 17:53
  was
• 17:53
  much
• 17:54
  younger
• 17:54
  and
• 17:55
  practicing
• 17:56
  my
• 17:56
  spiritual
• 17:57
  first
• 17:58
  interest
• 17:58
  after
• 17:59
  also
• 17:59
  taking
• 18:00
  some
• 18:00
  fine
• 18:01
  psychedelics
• 18:02
  in
• 18:02
  the
• 18:02
  Summer
• 18:02
  of
• 18:02
  Love
• 18:03
  in
• 18:03
  Haight
• 18:03
  Ashbury,
• 18:05
  I
• 18:05
  had
• 18:05
  a
• 18:06
  spiritual
• 18:06
  opening
• 18:07
  and
• 18:07
  was
• 18:08
  interested
• 18:08
  in
• 18:08
  that,
• 18:09
  but
• 18:09
  I
• 18:09
  was
• 18:09
  equally
• 18:10
  interested
• 18:10
  in
• 18:11
  getting
• 18:11
  girls
• 18:12
  to
• 18:12
  like
• 18:13
  me
• 18:13
  and,
• 18:13
  you
• 18:14
  know,
• 18:14
  having
• 18:15
  a
• 18:15
  fun
• 18:15
  time.
• 18:16
  And
• 18:16
  I'm
• 18:17
  not
• 18:17
  sure
• 18:17
  at
• 18:17
  that
• 18:18
  time
• 18:18
  if
• 18:18
  you
• 18:18
  asked
• 18:19
  that.
• 18:19
  My
• 18:20
  best
• 18:20
  intention,
• 18:21
  whether
• 18:22
  it
• 18:22
  was
• 18:22
  enlightenment
• 18:23
  or
• 18:23
  girls,
• 18:24
  they
• 18:24
  were
• 18:24
  vying
• 18:25
  in
• 18:25
  my
• 18:25
  consciousness
• 18:26
  for
• 18:26
  both.
• 18:27
  And
• 18:27
  I
• 18:27
  tell
• 18:28
  it
• 18:28
  because
• 18:29
  it's
• 18:29
  honest
• 18:30
  and
• 18:31
  also
• 18:31
  because
• 18:31
  we
• 18:31
  have
• 18:32
  lots
• 18:32
  of
• 18:32
  motivations.
• 18:34
  And
• 18:34
  that
• 18:35
  idea
• 18:35
  of
• 18:35
  a
• 18:35
  sacred
• 18:36
  question
• 18:37
  came
• 18:37
  from
• 18:37
  a
• 18:37
  series
• 18:38
  of
• 18:38
  teachings
• 18:38
  I
• 18:39
  gave
• 18:39
  on
• 18:39
  the
• 18:39
  shaman's
• 18:40
  journey.
• 18:41
  That
• 18:41
  something
• 18:41
  will
• 18:41
  happen
• 18:42
  to
• 18:42
  us
• 18:42
  in
• 18:43
  our
• 18:43
  life.
• 18:44
  And
• 18:44
  maybe
• 18:44
  it's
• 18:45
  a
• 18:45
  car
• 18:46
  accident
• 18:46
  where
• 18:46
  you
• 18:47
  survived
• 18:47
  but
• 18:48
  almost
• 18:48
  died,
• 18:48
  or,
• 18:49
  you
• 18:49
  know,
• 18:49
  someone
• 18:49
  around
• 18:50
  you
• 18:50
  died,
• 18:50
  or
• 18:51
  maybe
• 18:51
  it's
• 18:51
  that
• 18:51
  you
• 18:52
  did
• 18:52
  get
• 18:52
  something
• 18:53
  that
• 18:53
  you
• 18:53
  really
• 18:53
  wanted.
• 18:55
  In
• 18:55
  my
• 18:55
  case,
• 18:55
  I
• 18:56
  got
• 18:57
  the
• 18:57
  girl
• 18:57
  I
• 18:57
  thought
• 18:58
  I
• 18:58
  wanted
• 18:58
  and
• 18:58
  it
• 18:59
  turned
• 18:59
  out
• 18:59
  not
• 18:59
  to
• 18:59
  be
• 19:00
  quite
• 19:00
  as
• 19:00
  much
• 19:00
  fun
• 19:00
  as
• 19:01
  I
• 19:01
  imagined.
• 19:02
  There
• 19:02
  was
• 19:02
  conflict
• 19:03
  and
• 19:03
  difficulty
• 19:04
  and,
• 19:04
  oh,
• 19:05
  it's
• 19:05
  not
• 19:05
  what
• 19:06
  I
• 19:06
  thought.
• 19:06
  And
• 19:07
  then
• 19:07
  you
• 19:07
  start
• 19:07
  to
• 19:07
  say,
• 19:08
  well,
• 19:09
  what
• 19:10
  matters?
• 19:12
  And
• 19:12
  that
• 19:12
  question
• 19:13
  comes
• 19:13
  arise,
• 19:14
  and
• 19:14
  it
• 19:14
  does
• 19:14
  for
• 19:15
  everybody
• 19:16
  in
• 19:16
  their
• 19:16
  way.
• 19:17
  You
• 19:17
  know,
• 19:18
  whether
• 19:18
  it's
• 19:19
  a
• 19:19
  near
• 19:19
  death
• 19:20
  experience,
• 19:21
  you
• 19:22
  know,
• 19:22
  or
• 19:23
  walking
• 19:24
  in
• 19:24
  the
• 19:24
  high
• 19:24
  mountains,
• 19:25
  or
• 19:25
  making
• 19:25
  love,
• 19:26
  or
• 19:26
  taking
• 19:27
  psychedelics,
• 19:29
  or
• 19:29
  sitting
• 19:30
  at
• 19:30
  the
• 19:31
  bedside
• 19:31
  of
• 19:31
  someone
• 19:32
  as
• 19:32
  they
• 19:32
  die,
• 19:34
  which
• 19:34
  will
• 19:34
  happen
• 19:34
  to
• 19:35
  you,
• 19:35
  by
• 19:35
  the
• 19:35
  way,
• 19:35
  in
• 19:35
  case
• 19:36
  you
• 19:36
  haven't
• 19:36
  reviewed
• 19:37
  that
• 19:37
  this
• 19:37
  morning.
• 19:38
  And
• 19:38
  there's
• 19:39
  this
• 19:39
  mysterious
• 19:40
  moment
• 19:41
  when
• 19:42
  the
• 19:42
  spirit
• 19:43
  leaves
• 19:43
  the
• 19:43
  body
• 19:45
  silent
• 19:46
  as
• 19:47
  a
• 19:47
  falling
• 19:47
  star,
• 19:50
  and
• 19:50
  that
• 19:51
  human
• 19:51
  being,
• 19:53
  the
• 19:54
  body
• 19:54
  turns
• 19:55
  into
• 19:55
  a
• 19:55
  corpse,
• 19:56
  cold,
• 19:57
  getting
• 19:57
  cold,
• 19:58
  and
• 19:58
  you
• 19:59
  know,
• 19:59
  just
• 19:59
  like
• 20:00
  going
• 20:00
  into
• 20:00
  any
• 20:01
  butcher
• 20:02
  shop,
• 20:02
  basically
• 20:03
  it
• 20:04
  becomes
• 20:04
  meat,
• 20:05
  the
• 20:05
  meat
• 20:05
  body.
• 20:08
  And
• 20:08
  the
• 20:08
  spirit
• 20:09
  leaves
• 20:09
  the
• 20:09
  body,
• 20:10
  consciousness,
• 20:11
  whatever
• 20:11
  you
• 20:12
  want
• 20:12
  to
• 20:12
  call
• 20:12
  it.
• 20:14
  And
• 20:14
  if
• 20:14
  you've
• 20:14
  had
• 20:14
  that
• 20:15
  experience
• 20:15
  or
• 20:16
  you've
• 20:16
  been
• 20:16
  there
• 20:16
  for
• 20:17
  a
• 20:17
  childbirth,
• 20:19
  the
• 20:19
  gates
• 20:19
  to
• 20:20
  mystery
• 20:20
  open
• 20:20
  and
• 20:21
  you
• 20:21
  go,
• 20:21
  wow,
• 20:23
  how
• 20:23
  did
• 20:24
  I
• 20:24
  get
• 20:24
  into
• 20:24
  this
• 20:25
  incarnation?
• 20:26
  What
• 20:26
  is
• 20:26
  this?
• 20:27
  This
• 20:27
  is
• 20:28
  your
• 20:28
  Ashok
• 20:28
  moment,
• 20:29
  actually.
• 20:30
  And
• 20:30
  again,
• 20:31
  it
• 20:31
  can
• 20:31
  happen
• 20:31
  in
• 20:32
  all
• 20:32
  kinds
• 20:32
  of
• 20:32
  ways.
• 20:34
  You
• 20:34
  know,
• 20:36
  making
• 20:36
  love
• 20:36
  or
• 20:36
  taking
• 20:37
  LSD
• 20:38
  the
• 20:38
  first
• 20:38
  time,
• 20:38
  or
• 20:41
  being
• 20:41
  there
• 20:41
  when
• 20:41
  someone
• 20:42
  dies.
• 20:43
  And
• 20:44
  then
• 20:44
  the
• 20:44
  question
• 20:44
  arises
• 20:45
  in
• 20:45
  its
• 20:46
  own
• 20:46
  form
• 20:46
  for
• 20:47
  me,
• 20:48
  you
• 20:48
  know,
• 20:49
  what
• 20:49
  is
• 20:49
  this?
• 20:50
  How
• 20:50
  do
• 20:50
  I
• 20:50
  live
• 20:51
  knowing
• 20:51
  this
• 20:53
  and
• 20:53
  more
• 20:53
  deeply
• 20:54
  knowing
• 20:54
  that
• 20:54
  there's
• 20:55
  something
• 20:57
  sacred,
• 20:58
  something
• 20:59
  bigger
• 20:59
  than
• 20:59
  the
• 21:01
  advertising
• 21:02
  world
• 21:03
  offers
• 21:03
  us?
• 21:04
  And
• 21:05
  that
• 21:05
  becomes
• 21:06
  a
• 21:06
  kind
• 21:06
  of
• 21:06
  a
• 21:06
  calling
• 21:08
  for
• 21:08
  me.
• 21:08
  It
• 21:09
  was
• 21:09
  also
• 21:09
  just,
• 21:10
  you
• 21:10
  know,
• 21:10
  you
• 21:10
  want
• 21:10
  people
• 21:11
  to
• 21:11
  get
• 21:11
  personal
• 21:11
  on
• 21:12
  your
• 21:12
  podcast.
• 21:15
  Once
• 21:15
  I
• 21:15
  had
• 21:17
  started
• 21:18
  to
• 21:20
  hear
• 21:21
  Eastern
• 21:21
  Buddhist
• 21:22
  teachings
• 21:22
  in
• 21:23
  college,
• 21:23
  Dartmouth
• 21:24
  College,
• 21:25
  from
• 21:25
  this
• 21:25
  professor.
• 21:26
  I'd
• 21:27
  had
• 21:27
  so
• 21:27
  much
• 21:27
  suffering
• 21:28
  in
• 21:28
  my
• 21:28
  childhood
• 21:30
  because
• 21:30
  my
• 21:30
  father
• 21:31
  was
• 21:31
  a
• 21:32
  brilliant
• 21:33
  scientist
• 21:34
  who
• 21:35
  taught
• 21:35
  in
• 21:35
  medical
• 21:36
  school
• 21:36
  and
• 21:37
  designed
• 21:37
  some
• 21:37
  of
• 21:38
  the
• 21:38
  first
• 21:39
  artificial
• 21:39
  hearts
• 21:40
  and
• 21:40
  lungs
• 21:40
  and
• 21:41
  worked
• 21:41
  in
• 21:41
  space
• 21:42
  medicine,
• 21:43
  but
• 21:43
  he
• 21:43
  was
• 21:43
  also
• 21:44
  mentally
• 21:44
  ill.
• 21:44
  And
• 21:45
  violent
• 21:45
  and
• 21:45
  abusive.
• 21:47
  And
• 21:47
  this
• 21:48
  wise
• 21:49
  teacher
• 21:49
  came
• 21:50
  and
• 21:50
  said,
• 21:51
  Dr.
• 21:52
  Wing
• 21:52
  Sichan
• 21:53
  came
• 21:53
  up
• 21:53
  from
• 21:54
  Harvard
• 21:55
  and
• 21:55
  talked
• 21:55
  about
• 21:55
  Lao
• 21:56
  Tzu
• 21:56
  and
• 21:56
  Confucius.
• 21:57
  And
• 21:57
  then
• 21:57
  he
• 21:58
  began
• 21:58
  to
• 21:58
  teach
• 21:58
  about
• 21:58
  the
• 21:59
  Buddha.
• 21:59
  And
• 21:59
  he
• 21:59
  said,
• 22:00
  the
• 22:00
  main
• 22:00
  thing
• 22:01
  the
• 22:01
  Buddha
• 22:02
  taught
• 22:02
  was,
• 22:03
  there's
• 22:03
  suffering
• 22:04
  in
• 22:04
  life,
• 22:05
  not
• 22:05
  that
• 22:05
  life
• 22:06
  is
• 22:06
  suffering,
• 22:06
  but
• 22:07
  that
• 22:07
  it
• 22:07
  has
• 22:07
  it.
• 22:09
  My
• 22:10
  ears
• 22:10
  perked
• 22:10
  up.
• 22:11
  That
• 22:11
  was
• 22:11
  something
• 22:11
  I
• 22:12
  knew
• 22:12
  well.
• 22:13
  And
• 22:13
  then
• 22:13
  he
• 22:13
  taught
• 22:14
  a
• 22:14
  path
• 22:15
  to
• 22:16
  the
• 22:16
  release
• 22:16
  from
• 22:17
  suffering.
• 22:18
  And
• 22:18
  I
• 22:19
  leaned
• 22:19
  forward
• 22:19
  and
• 22:19
  I
• 22:19
  said,
• 22:20
  whoa,
• 22:20
  you
• 22:21
  know,
• 22:21
  this
• 22:21
  is.
• 22:22
  I
• 22:22
  just
• 22:23
  come
• 22:23
  from
• 22:23
  organic
• 22:24
  chemistry.
• 22:25
  This
• 22:25
  is
• 22:25
  the
• 22:25
  chemistry
• 22:26
  I
• 22:26
  need.
• 22:27
  And
• 22:27
  I
• 22:27
  began
• 22:27
  to
• 22:28
  read
• 22:29
  and
• 22:29
  study.
• 22:29
  And
• 22:30
  then,
• 22:30
  of
• 22:30
  course,
• 22:30
  the
• 22:31
  psychedelic
• 22:31
  hippie
• 22:33
  zeitgeist
• 22:34
  turned
• 22:34
  me
• 22:35
  inside
• 22:36
  out
• 22:36
  and
• 22:36
  somewhere
• 22:37
  was,
• 22:37
  oh,
• 22:37
  you
• 22:38
  can
• 22:38
  really
• 22:38
  have
• 22:38
  these
• 22:39
  experiences.
• 22:39
  I
• 22:40
  want
• 22:40
  to
• 22:40
  go
• 22:40
  to
• 22:40
  a
• 22:40
  Buddhist
• 22:41
  monastery.
• 22:42
  And
• 22:43
  so
• 22:43
  I
• 22:44
  graduated
• 22:44
  and
• 22:45
  joined
• 22:45
  the
• 22:45
  Peace
• 22:46
  Corps
• 22:46
  and
• 22:46
  said,
• 22:46
  then,
• 22:46
  please
• 22:46
  send
• 22:47
  me
• 22:47
  to
• 22:47
  a
• 22:47
  Buddhist
• 22:47
  country.
• 22:49
  Which
• 22:49
  they
• 22:50
  did.
• 22:50
  And
• 22:50
  I
• 22:50
  said,
• 22:51
  send
• 22:51
  me
• 22:51
  to
• 22:51
  a
• 22:51
  really
• 22:51
  remote
• 22:52
  area.
• 22:54
  Being
• 22:54
  an
• 22:54
  adventurer,
• 22:55
  you
• 22:55
  know,
• 22:55
  as
• 22:55
  young
• 22:56
  men
• 22:56
  are.
• 22:56
  Is
• 22:56
  there
• 22:56
  anything
• 22:57
  dangerous
• 22:57
  to
• 22:57
  do
• 22:57
  around
• 22:58
  here?
• 22:58
  Cool.
• 22:59
  Show
• 22:59
  me.
• 22:59
  And
• 23:00
  I
• 23:00
  found
• 23:00
  this
• 23:01
  great
• 23:01
  teacher
• 23:01
  and
• 23:02
  a
• 23:03
  kind
• 23:04
  of,
• 23:04
  at
• 23:04
  that
• 23:04
  time,
• 23:05
  somewhat
• 23:05
  remote
• 23:06
  forest
• 23:06
  monastery
• 23:07
  of
• 23:08
  ascetic,
• 23:08
  intense,
• 23:09
  hard
• 23:09
  practice.
• 23:10
  And
• 23:10
  I
• 23:10
  thought,
• 23:10
  oh,
• 23:11
  perfect.
• 23:12
  So
• 23:13
  now
• 23:13
  I'm
• 23:13
  sort
• 23:14
  of
• 23:14
  dancing
• 23:14
  around
• 23:14
  to
• 23:14
  your
• 23:15
  question,
• 23:15
  Roger,
• 23:16
  but,
• 23:16
  you
• 23:17
  know,
• 23:17
  you
• 23:18
  did
• 23:18
  it,
• 23:18
  too.
• 23:19
  You
• 23:19
  held
• 23:19
  the
• 23:19
  world
• 23:20
  high
• 23:20
  dive
• 23:20
  record
• 23:22
  jumping
• 23:22
  off
• 23:23
  a
• 23:23
  bridge,
• 23:23
  I
• 23:24
  believe,
• 23:24
  in
• 23:24
  Australia,
• 23:25
  flying
• 23:26
  through
• 23:26
  the
• 23:27
  air
• 23:27
  as
• 23:27
  if
• 23:27
  you
• 23:27
  were
• 23:28
  born
• 23:29
  aloft
• 23:29
  like
• 23:30
  some
• 23:30
  kind
• 23:30
  of
• 23:30
  bird
• 23:31
  until
• 23:31
  you
• 23:31
  hit
• 23:31
  the
• 23:31
  water.
• 23:33
  How
• 23:34
  was
• 23:34
  that?
• 23:34
  There
• 23:35
  was
• 23:35
  that
• 23:35
  moment.
• 23:36
  Water
• 23:36
  isn't
• 23:36
  quite
• 23:37
  so
• 23:37
  soft
• 23:37
  when
• 23:37
  you're
• 23:38
  moving
• 23:38
  at,
• 23:39
  you
• 23:39
  know,
• 23:40
  a
• 23:40
  relatively
• 23:41
  high
• 23:41
  speed.
• 23:42
  And
• 23:42
  Jack,
• 23:42
  Roger
• 23:43
  being
• 23:43
  Roger,
• 23:43
  this
• 23:43
  is
• 23:44
  the
• 23:44
  first
• 23:44
  I've
• 23:44
  heard
• 23:44
  of
• 23:44
  that.
• 23:45
  So
• 23:45
  thank
• 23:45
  you
• 23:45
  for
• 23:46
  sharing
• 23:46
  that
• 23:46
  bit.
• 23:46
  You're
• 23:47
  very
• 23:47
  welcome.
• 23:48
  But
• 23:48
  is
• 23:48
  there
• 23:49
  anything
• 23:49
  interesting
• 23:50
  and
• 23:50
  dangerous
• 23:50
  to
• 23:51
  do
• 23:51
  around
• 23:51
  here?
• 23:52
  Roger
• 23:53
  was
• 23:53
  looking
• 23:54
  for
• 23:54
  it
• 23:55
  in
• 23:55
  his
• 23:55
  own
• 23:57
  troubled
• 23:57
  way.
• 24:01
  But
• 24:01
  it's
• 24:02
  there
• 24:03
  in
• 24:03
  us
• 24:04
  now.
• 24:04
  Some
• 24:04
  of
• 24:04
  us
• 24:05
  have
• 24:05
  to
• 24:06
  look
• 24:06
  for
• 24:06
  trouble.
• 24:07
  Others
• 24:07
  of
• 24:07
  us
• 24:07
  just
• 24:08
  have
• 24:08
  so
• 24:08
  damn
• 24:09
  much
• 24:09
  trouble
• 24:10
  that
• 24:10
  we
• 24:10
  have
• 24:10
  to
• 24:10
  just
• 24:11
  look
• 24:11
  for
• 24:11
  the
• 24:11
  way
• 24:11
  out.
• 24:12
  But
• 24:13
  this
• 24:13
  is
• 24:13
  just
• 24:13
  part
• 24:13
  of
• 24:14
  being
• 24:14
  human.
• 24:15
  So
• 24:15
  if
• 24:16
  those
• 24:16
  of
• 24:16
  you
• 24:16
  who
• 24:16
  are
• 24:16
  listening,
• 24:17
  if
• 24:17
  you
• 24:18
  reflect
• 24:18
  back
• 24:19
  to
• 24:19
  yourself,
• 24:22
  what
• 24:22
  were
• 24:22
  the
• 24:23
  seeds
• 24:23
  of
• 24:24
  your
• 24:24
  own
• 24:25
  spiritual
• 24:26
  journey?
• 24:28
  That's
• 24:28
  more
• 24:28
  than
• 24:29
  the
• 24:29
  sacred
• 24:29
  question.
• 24:30
  What
• 24:30
  were
• 24:30
  those
• 24:31
  seeds?
• 24:31
  What
• 24:31
  were
• 24:31
  you
• 24:32
  called
• 24:33
  to
• 24:34
  understand
• 24:36
  what
• 24:36
  suffering
• 24:36
  or
• 24:37
  what
• 24:37
  imagination,
• 24:38
  this
• 24:39
  huge
• 24:39
  vision,
• 24:41
  really
• 24:41
  started
• 24:41
  you
• 24:42
  on
• 24:42
  a
• 24:42
  path.
• 24:44
  And
• 24:44
  then,
• 24:44
  of
• 24:45
  course,
• 24:45
  I
• 24:45
  do
• 24:45
  have
• 24:46
  to
• 24:46
  say
• 24:46
  this
• 24:46
  even
• 24:47
  now
• 24:47
  at
• 24:47
  the
• 24:47
  beginning,
• 24:48
  because
• 24:48
  we
• 24:49
  think
• 24:49
  there's
• 24:49
  a
• 24:49
  long
• 24:50
  path,
• 24:50
  and
• 24:50
  then
• 24:50
  we'll
• 24:50
  get
• 24:51
  enlightened.
• 24:51
  And
• 24:52
  then
• 24:52
  after
• 24:52
  that,
• 24:52
  we
• 24:53
  can
• 24:53
  live
• 24:53
  with
• 24:55
  401k
• 24:56
  and
• 24:56
  in
• 24:57
  enlightened
• 24:57
  retirement.
• 24:59
  But
• 24:59
  in
• 24:59
  fact,
• 25:02
  it
• 25:02
  turns
• 25:02
  out
• 25:02
  that
• 25:02
  the
• 25:03
  path
• 25:03
  doesn't
• 25:03
  go
• 25:04
  from
• 25:04
  here
• 25:04
  to
• 25:04
  there,
• 25:06
  it
• 25:06
  goes
• 25:06
  from
• 25:07
  there
• 25:07
  to
• 25:07
  here.
• 25:08
  That
• 25:09
  where
• 25:09
  you're
• 25:09
  going
• 25:10
  in
• 25:10
  the
• 25:10
  end,
• 25:10
  as
• 25:11
  the
• 25:11
  poet
• 25:12
  T.S.
• 25:12
  eliot
• 25:13
  says,
• 25:13
  and
• 25:14
  the
• 25:14
  end
• 25:14
  of
• 25:14
  all
• 25:14
  of
• 25:15
  my
• 25:16
  striving
• 25:16
  or
• 25:16
  wandering,
• 25:17
  whatever
• 25:17
  that
• 25:18
  phrase
• 25:18
  was,
• 25:19
  was
• 25:19
  to
• 25:19
  arrive
• 25:20
  where
• 25:20
  I
• 25:20
  started
• 25:21
  and
• 25:22
  know
• 25:22
  the
• 25:22
  place
• 25:23
  for
• 25:23
  the
• 25:23
  first
• 25:23
  time.
• 25:25
  And
• 25:25
  that's
• 25:26
  the
• 25:26
  saying
• 25:27
  of
• 25:27
  Suzuki
• 25:28
  Roshi,
• 25:28
  in
• 25:29
  another
• 25:30
  poetic
• 25:31
  language,
• 25:31
  that
• 25:32
  the
• 25:32
  aim
• 25:33
  of
• 25:33
  Zen
• 25:34
  practice
• 25:34
  in
• 25:34
  the
• 25:35
  end
• 25:35
  is
• 25:36
  to
• 25:36
  keep,
• 25:37
  always
• 25:37
  keep
• 25:38
  a
• 25:38
  beginner's
• 25:38
  mind
• 25:39
  to
• 25:40
  see
• 25:40
  the
• 25:40
  mystery,
• 25:41
  because
• 25:42
  it's
• 25:42
  here.
• 25:42
  I
• 25:43
  mean,
• 25:43
  the
• 25:43
  fact
• 25:43
  that
• 25:43
  I
• 25:44
  can
• 25:44
  wag
• 25:45
  my
• 25:45
  tongue,
• 25:45
  that
• 25:46
  I
• 25:46
  even
• 25:46
  have
• 25:46
  a
• 25:47
  tongue
• 25:47
  and
• 25:48
  a
• 25:48
  hole
• 25:48
  in
• 25:48
  this
• 25:49
  body
• 25:49
  into
• 25:49
  which
• 25:49
  I
• 25:50
  stuff
• 25:50
  dead
• 25:50
  plants
• 25:51
  and
• 25:51
  animals
• 25:51
  regularly
• 25:52
  and
• 25:52
  grind
• 25:52
  them
• 25:53
  up
• 25:53
  with
• 25:53
  the
• 25:53
  bones
• 25:54
  that
• 25:54
  hang
• 25:54
  down,
• 25:55
  and
• 25:55
  then
• 25:55
  I
• 25:55
  wag
• 25:56
  my
• 25:56
  tongue
• 25:56
  and
• 25:56
  it
• 25:57
  vibrates
• 25:58
  the
• 25:58
  air
• 25:58
  around
• 25:58
  and
• 25:59
  vibrates
• 26:00
  that
• 26:00
  little
• 26:00
  tympanic
• 26:01
  drum
• 26:02
  and
• 26:02
  eardrum,
• 26:03
  and
• 26:03
  then
• 26:04
  it
• 26:04
  goes
• 26:05
  to
• 26:05
  the
• 26:05
  auditory
• 26:06
  center
• 26:06
  in
• 26:06
  your
• 26:07
  brain
• 26:07
  and
• 26:07
  you
• 26:08
  translate
• 26:09
  pink
• 26:09
  elephant
• 26:10
  into
• 26:10
  an
• 26:11
  image
• 26:12
  coming
• 26:12
  right
• 26:13
  out
• 26:13
  of
• 26:14
  the
• 26:14
  Disney
• 26:14
  movie
• 26:15
  of
• 26:15
  your
• 26:15
  childhood.
• 26:18
  No
• 26:18
  one
• 26:18
  knows
• 26:18
  how
• 26:19
  the
• 26:19
  hell
• 26:19
  that
• 26:19
  happens.
• 26:20
  Actually,
• 26:21
  it's
• 26:21
  completely
• 26:22
  weird
• 26:23
  that
• 26:23
  we
• 26:23
  exist
• 26:25
  and
• 26:25
  the
• 26:25
  consciousness
• 26:26
  has
• 26:26
  made
• 26:26
  us
• 26:27
  all
• 26:27
  out
• 26:28
  of
• 26:28
  nothing.
• 26:29
  So
• 26:30
  now
• 26:30
  we're
• 26:30
  taking
• 26:31
  the
• 26:31
  conversation
• 26:32
  to
• 26:32
  a
• 26:32
  different
• 26:32
  dimension.
• 26:34
  And
• 26:34
  the
• 26:34
  thing
• 26:34
  is
• 26:35
  that
• 26:35
  there
• 26:35
  isn't
• 26:35
  the
• 26:36
  right
• 26:36
  dimension.
• 26:37
  There
• 26:37
  are
• 26:37
  these
• 26:38
  many
• 26:38
  beautiful
• 26:39
  dimensions.
• 26:40
  So
• 26:40
  now
• 26:40
  I'm
• 26:41
  going
• 26:41
  to
• 26:41
  pause
• 26:41
  because
• 26:42
  I've
• 26:42
  been
• 26:42
  blabbing
• 26:43
  for
• 26:43
  a
• 26:43
  while,
• 26:44
  which
• 26:44
  is
• 26:44
  kind
• 26:45
  of,
• 26:45
  you
• 26:45
  know,
• 26:46
  it's
• 26:46
  what
• 26:46
  I
• 26:47
  get
• 26:47
  paid
• 26:47
  to
• 26:47
  do.
• 26:47
  And.
• 26:48
  Roger,
• 26:49
  you
• 26:49
  haven't
• 26:49
  told
• 26:49
  me
• 26:50
  how
• 26:50
  much
• 26:50
  I'm
• 26:50
  making
• 26:51
  for
• 26:51
  this
• 26:51
  podcast,
• 26:52
  but
• 26:52
  I'm
• 26:52
  assuming
• 26:53
  it.
• 26:53
  It's
• 26:54
  a
• 26:54
  lot
• 26:54
  of
• 26:55
  good
• 26:55
  karma,
• 26:56
  at.
• 26:56
  Least
• 26:58
  lots
• 26:58
  of
• 26:58
  gratitude,
• 26:59
  and
• 26:59
  I
• 26:59
  will.
• 27:00
  Give
• 27:00
  you
• 27:00
  my
• 27:00
  bank
• 27:01
  account
• 27:01
  number
• 27:01
  for
• 27:02
  the
• 27:02
  direct
• 27:02
  deposit
• 27:03
  as
• 27:03
  well.
• 27:03
  But
• 27:04
  you
• 27:04
  raised
• 27:05
  so
• 27:05
  many
• 27:05
  beautiful
• 27:06
  topics
• 27:06
  and
• 27:07
  we
• 27:08
  could
• 27:08
  go
• 27:08
  down
• 27:08
  so
• 27:09
  many
• 27:09
  different
• 27:09
  roads
• 27:10
  with
• 27:10
  this.
• 27:11
  And
• 27:11
  just
• 27:11
  to
• 27:12
  mention
• 27:12
  some
• 27:12
  of
• 27:12
  them,
• 27:12
  you.
• 27:13
  Your
• 27:13
  story
• 27:14
  of
• 27:14
  King
• 27:14
  Ashoka
• 27:15
  or
• 27:15
  Emperor
• 27:16
  Ashoka
• 27:16
  is.
• 27:17
  It's
• 27:17
  beautiful.
• 27:18
  And
• 27:18
  it
• 27:18
  raises
• 27:18
  a
• 27:19
  whole
• 27:19
  new
• 27:19
  possibility
• 27:20
  for
• 27:20
  our
• 27:21
  dialogue
• 27:21
  series
• 27:22
  on
• 27:22
  what
• 27:22
  is
• 27:22
  real
• 27:23
  greatness
• 27:23
  that
• 27:23
  is
• 27:24
  really
• 27:25
  interesting
• 27:25
  to
• 27:25
  look
• 27:26
  at
• 27:26
  the
• 27:26
  truly
• 27:26
  great
• 27:27
  figures
• 27:27
  of
• 27:27
  history,
• 27:29
  Ashoka
• 27:30
  being
• 27:30
  one
• 27:30
  another
• 27:31
  being
• 27:32
  Marcus
• 27:33
  Aurelius,
• 27:34
  the
• 27:34
  Emperor
• 27:34
  of
• 27:34
  Rome,
• 27:35
  whose
• 27:36
  book
• 27:36
  Meditations
• 27:37
  has
• 27:37
  come
• 27:37
  down
• 27:37
  to
• 27:38
  us
• 27:38
  over
• 27:39
  these
• 27:39
  2000
• 27:40
  years
• 27:40
  as
• 27:40
  this
• 27:41
  wonderful,
• 27:43
  deeply
• 27:43
  reflective
• 27:45
  exploration
• 27:46
  of
• 27:46
  life
• 27:46
  and
• 27:46
  meaning
• 27:47
  and
• 27:47
  purpose
• 27:47
  and
• 27:48
  what
• 27:48
  really
• 27:49
  counts.
• 27:50
  And
• 27:51
  someone
• 27:51
  who,
• 27:52
  by
• 27:52
  sheer
• 27:53
  dint
• 27:53
  of
• 27:54
  will
• 27:55
  and
• 27:55
  effort
• 27:56
  and
• 27:56
  good
• 27:56
  heart,
• 27:58
  worked
• 27:58
  on
• 27:58
  himself
• 27:59
  when
• 27:59
  he
• 27:59
  could
• 27:59
  have
• 27:59
  just
• 28:00
  luxurated
• 28:00
  in
• 28:01
  sybaritic
• 28:02
  pleasures.
• 28:03
  Don't
• 28:03
  say
• 28:04
  that
• 28:04
  lightly.
• 28:04
  Those
• 28:06
  are
• 28:06
  also
• 28:07
  quite
• 28:07
  fun.
• 28:07
  Keep
• 28:08
  going
• 28:08
  oh,
• 28:09
  yeah,
• 28:09
  yeah,
• 28:10
  yeah.
• 28:11
  Money,
• 28:11
  sex
• 28:12
  and
• 28:12
  power.
• 28:12
  All
• 28:13
  good.
• 28:13
  All
• 28:13
  good
• 28:14
  in
• 28:14
  moderation,
• 28:15
  I
• 28:15
  think,
• 28:16
  or
• 28:16
  middle
• 28:17
  way
• 28:17
  to
• 28:17
  coin
• 28:18
  a
• 28:18
  phrase.
• 28:18
  I
• 28:18
  think
• 28:19
  that
• 28:19
  you
• 28:19
  have
• 28:19
  to
• 28:19
  remember
• 28:20
  everything
• 28:20
  in
• 28:20
  moderation,
• 28:21
  including
• 28:22
  moderation.
• 28:22
  But
• 28:23
  keep
• 28:23
  going.
• 28:23
  There
• 28:24
  you
• 28:24
  go.
• 28:26
  Yeah,
• 28:26
  so.
• 28:27
  So
• 28:27
  there's
• 28:28
  that
• 28:28
  theme.
• 28:28
  There's
• 28:29
  a
• 28:29
  question.
• 28:29
  How
• 28:30
  do
• 28:30
  we
• 28:30
  live?
• 28:30
  Yeah,
• 28:31
  how
• 28:31
  do
• 28:32
  we
• 28:32
  live?
• 28:33
  I
• 28:33
  mean,
• 28:33
  that's
• 28:33
  a
• 28:33
  question
• 28:34
  we're.
• 28:35
  That's
• 28:35
  a
• 28:35
  question
• 28:35
  we're
• 28:36
  asking
• 28:36
  ourselves
• 28:37
  every
• 28:37
  day,
• 28:37
  every
• 28:38
  hour,
• 28:38
  every
• 28:39
  choice.
• 28:41
  I
• 28:41
  don't
• 28:41
  think
• 28:42
  so.
• 28:42
  I
• 28:42
  would
• 28:42
  suggest
• 28:43
  that
• 28:44
  that's
• 28:44
  not
• 28:44
  true.
• 28:45
  I
• 28:45
  think
• 28:46
  we
• 28:46
  mostly
• 28:46
  live
• 28:48
  to
• 28:48
  be
• 28:49
  slightly
• 28:50
  critical
• 28:50
  a
• 28:51
  lot
• 28:51
  of
• 28:51
  the
• 28:51
  time
• 28:52
  as
• 28:52
  automatons.
• 28:54
  I
• 28:54
  would
• 28:54
  agree.
• 28:55
  And
• 28:55
  I
• 28:56
  mean,
• 28:56
  I
• 28:56
  make
• 28:56
  my
• 28:56
  to
• 28:57
  do
• 28:57
  list
• 28:57
  and
• 28:58
  I.
• 28:59
  Very
• 28:59
  satisfactory.
• 29:00
  Cross
• 29:01
  things
• 29:01
  off
• 29:01
  that
• 29:01
  list
• 29:02
  or
• 29:02
  check
• 29:02
  them
• 29:02
  off.
• 29:03
  And
• 29:03
  so
• 29:03
  I
• 29:04
  don't
• 29:04
  think
• 29:04
  I
• 29:04
  asked
• 29:05
  that
• 29:05
  question
• 29:05
  like
• 29:06
  that
• 29:06
  except
• 29:07
  once
• 29:07
  in
• 29:07
  a
• 29:07
  while.
• 29:08
  And
• 29:09
  I'm
• 29:09
  not
• 29:09
  sure
• 29:09
  it's
• 29:09
  our
• 29:10
  purpose
• 29:10
  to
• 29:10
  ask
• 29:11
  it
• 29:11
  actually
• 29:12
  in
• 29:12
  that
• 29:12
  way.
• 29:14
  I
• 29:14
  think
• 29:15
  that
• 29:15
  there
• 29:15
  is,
• 29:17
  or
• 29:17
  at
• 29:17
  least
• 29:18
  for
• 29:18
  me,
• 29:20
  there's
• 29:21
  a
• 29:21
  substrate
• 29:22
  of
• 29:22
  consciousness
• 29:25
  you
• 29:25
  could,
• 29:25
  you
• 29:26
  know,
• 29:26
  in,
• 29:27
  I
• 29:27
  think,
• 29:27
  inaccurate
• 29:28
  ways.
• 29:29
  You
• 29:29
  could
• 29:29
  talk
• 29:29
  about
• 29:29
  the
• 29:30
  subconscious
• 29:31
  and
• 29:31
  the
• 29:31
  unconscious,
• 29:32
  but
• 29:32
  I
• 29:33
  think
• 29:33
  it's
• 29:33
  actually
• 29:33
  the
• 29:34
  deeper
• 29:34
  consciousness
• 29:36
  that
• 29:36
  knows
• 29:37
  that
• 29:37
  this
• 29:37
  is
• 29:38
  a
• 29:38
  dance
• 29:39
  and
• 29:40
  that
• 29:41
  we
• 29:41
  can
• 29:41
  live
• 29:41
  it
• 29:42
  in
• 29:42
  a
• 29:42
  way
• 29:42
  that
• 29:42
  expresses
• 29:44
  beauty,
• 29:45
  respect,
• 29:45
  care,
• 29:46
  and
• 29:46
  so
• 29:46
  forth.
• 29:47
  And
• 29:47
  then,
• 29:48
  you
• 29:48
  know,
• 29:49
  go
• 29:49
  to
• 29:49
  Trader
• 29:49
  Joe's
• 29:50
  and
• 29:50
  take
• 29:51
  my
• 29:51
  wife's
• 29:52
  shopping
• 29:53
  list,
• 29:53
  and
• 29:54
  I
• 29:54
  don't
• 29:54
  think
• 29:54
  about,
• 29:54
  like,
• 29:55
  what's
• 29:55
  my
• 29:55
  meaning
• 29:56
  at
• 29:56
  Trader
• 29:57
  Joe's?
• 29:58
  Trader
• 29:58
  Jones.
• 30:00
  I
• 30:00
  just
• 30:00
  looked
• 30:00
  for
• 30:01
  the
• 30:01
  Fuji
• 30:01
  apples
• 30:02
  that
• 30:02
  I
• 30:02
  know
• 30:02
  that
• 30:03
  she
• 30:03
  likes,
• 30:04
  you
• 30:04
  know,
• 30:04
  and.
• 30:05
  And
• 30:06
  please
• 30:06
  her
• 30:06
  in
• 30:07
  that
• 30:07
  way.
• 30:09
  Sorry,
• 30:09
  I
• 30:10
  stopped
• 30:10
  your
• 30:10
  riff
• 30:10
  and
• 30:11
  I
• 30:11
  interrupted
• 30:11
  and
• 30:12
  disagreed.
• 30:14
  Yes.
• 30:14
  How
• 30:14
  dare
• 30:15
  you,
• 30:15
  Jack?
• 30:16
  But
• 30:17
  I
• 30:17
  think,
• 30:17
  you
• 30:17
  know,
• 30:17
  because
• 30:18
  the
• 30:18
  danger
• 30:19
  I'm
• 30:19
  gonna
• 30:19
  keep
• 30:20
  my
• 30:20
  critique
• 30:20
  going
• 30:21
  for
• 30:21
  a
• 30:21
  moment
• 30:21
  just
• 30:21
  because
• 30:22
  it
• 30:22
  makes
• 30:23
  more
• 30:23
  interesting
• 30:23
  airtime,
• 30:24
  is
• 30:25
  that
• 30:25
  I
• 30:26
  don't
• 30:26
  want
• 30:26
  people,
• 30:27
  and
• 30:27
  I
• 30:27
  know
• 30:27
  you
• 30:27
  don't
• 30:28
  either,
• 30:28
  to
• 30:29
  become
• 30:29
  idealistic.
• 30:30
  Okay,
• 30:31
  now
• 30:31
  I'm
• 30:32
  going
• 30:32
  to
• 30:32
  get
• 30:32
  enlightened.
• 30:33
  And
• 30:33
  enlightened
• 30:33
  retirement
• 30:34
  means
• 30:34
  that
• 30:35
  I'm
• 30:35
  living
• 30:35
  in
• 30:36
  mystery
• 30:36
  and,
• 30:37
  you
• 30:38
  know,
• 30:38
  the
• 30:38
  great
• 30:38
  wonder
• 30:39
  of
• 30:39
  all
• 30:39
  things
• 30:40
  all
• 30:40
  the
• 30:41
  time,
• 30:42
  and
• 30:42
  all
• 30:42
  the
• 30:42
  rest
• 30:43
  of
• 30:43
  it
• 30:43
  becomes
• 30:43
  trivial
• 30:45
  because,
• 30:45
  in
• 30:46
  fact,
• 30:46
  the
• 30:46
  trivial
• 30:47
  is
• 30:47
  as
• 30:47
  sacred
• 30:49
  as
• 30:49
  anything
• 30:50
  else,
• 30:50
  since
• 30:50
  it's
• 30:51
  all
• 30:51
  born
• 30:51
  out
• 30:51
  of
• 30:52
  the
• 30:52
  field
• 30:53
  of
• 30:53
  consciousness
• 30:54
  itself,
• 30:54
  of
• 30:54
  who
• 30:54
  we
• 30:55
  really
• 30:55
  are,
• 30:55
  blah,
• 30:56
  blah,
• 30:56
  blah.
• 30:56
  I
• 30:56
  interrupted.
• 30:57
  You
• 30:57
  keep
• 30:57
  going,
• 30:57
  Roger.
• 30:58
  No,
• 30:59
  I'm
• 30:59
  agreeing
• 30:59
  completely.
• 31:00
  And
• 31:01
  yes,
• 31:01
  I
• 31:01
  was
• 31:01
  actually
• 31:02
  thinking
• 31:02
  much
• 31:03
  less
• 31:03
  generously
• 31:04
  about
• 31:05
  continuously
• 31:06
  asking
• 31:07
  guiding
• 31:07
  questions.
• 31:08
  I'm
• 31:08
  assuming
• 31:08
  most
• 31:09
  of
• 31:09
  the
• 31:09
  time
• 31:09
  those
• 31:09
  questions
• 31:10
  are
• 31:10
  entirely
• 31:11
  automatic,
• 31:13
  just
• 31:13
  as
• 31:13
  you
• 31:13
  suggested,
• 31:16
  so.
• 31:16
  But
• 31:16
  at
• 31:16
  every
• 31:16
  moment,
• 31:17
  there
• 31:17
  are
• 31:17
  choices
• 31:18
  made.
• 31:18
  And
• 31:18
  yes,
• 31:19
  I
• 31:19
  completely
• 31:19
  Agree.
• 31:20
  And
• 31:21
  the
• 31:21
  whole,
• 31:22
  one
• 31:22
  could
• 31:22
  say
• 31:22
  the
• 31:23
  whole
• 31:23
  teaching
• 31:23
  of
• 31:23
  Buddhism,
• 31:24
  to
• 31:24
  put
• 31:25
  in
• 31:25
  contemporary
• 31:25
  language,
• 31:26
  is
• 31:26
  that,
• 31:26
  whoops,
• 31:27
  you're
• 31:27
  hypnotized,
• 31:28
  you're
• 31:28
  running
• 31:28
  on
• 31:29
  automatic.
• 31:31
  There's
• 31:31
  another
• 31:31
  way,
• 31:32
  and
• 31:32
  I
• 31:32
  want
• 31:33
  to
• 31:33
  just
• 31:33
  ask
• 31:33
  you
• 31:33
  to
• 31:34
  expand
• 31:34
  more
• 31:34
  on
• 31:34
  what
• 31:34
  you
• 31:35
  said
• 31:35
  about
• 31:35
  the
• 31:35
  ideals
• 31:36
  because
• 31:36
  you're
• 31:36
  raising
• 31:37
  a
• 31:37
  very
• 31:37
  important
• 31:38
  fact,
• 31:39
  which
• 31:39
  is
• 31:40
  probably
• 31:40
  one
• 31:40
  of
• 31:40
  the
• 31:40
  things
• 31:40
  we
• 31:41
  need
• 31:41
  to
• 31:41
  address,
• 31:41
  a
• 31:42
  trap
• 31:42
  associated
• 31:43
  to
• 31:43
  real
• 31:43
  greatness.
• 31:44
  And
• 31:44
  that
• 31:44
  is
• 31:45
  ideals
• 31:46
  can
• 31:46
  be
• 31:46
  wonderful,
• 31:46
  but
• 31:47
  they
• 31:47
  can
• 31:47
  also
• 31:47
  be
• 31:48
  traps,
• 31:48
  kind
• 31:48
  of
• 31:48
  golden
• 31:49
  traps.
• 31:49
  So
• 31:50
  say
• 31:50
  more
• 31:51
  about
• 31:51
  the
• 31:51
  good
• 31:52
  use
• 31:52
  of
• 31:52
  ideals.
• 31:54
  Okay,
• 31:54
  I'm
• 31:54
  going
• 31:54
  to
• 31:54
  turn
• 31:55
  the
• 31:55
  conversation
• 31:56
  a
• 31:56
  little
• 31:56
  bit
• 31:56
  with
• 31:57
  that
• 31:57
  prompt
• 31:58
  from
• 31:58
  you.
• 32:00
  And
• 32:00
  in
• 32:01
  the
• 32:01
  Buddhist
• 32:02
  tradition,
• 32:03
  the
• 32:04
  highest
• 32:04
  of
• 32:05
  ideals,
• 32:05
  if
• 32:05
  you
• 32:06
  will,
• 32:06
  and
• 32:07
  also
• 32:08
  one
• 32:08
  of
• 32:08
  the
• 32:08
  most
• 32:08
  beautiful
• 32:09
  and
• 32:09
  common
• 32:10
  is
• 32:10
  the
• 32:11
  ideal
• 32:11
  of
• 32:11
  the
• 32:11
  Bodhisattva.
• 32:13
  And
• 32:13
  Bodhisattva
• 32:14
  is
• 32:14
  a
• 32:14
  compound
• 32:15
  word.
• 32:16
  Bodhi
• 32:17
  means
• 32:17
  awakened
• 32:18
  and
• 32:18
  Sattva
• 32:19
  means
• 32:19
  being.
• 32:20
  And
• 32:21
  so
• 32:21
  it
• 32:21
  has
• 32:21
  a
• 32:21
  number
• 32:21
  of
• 32:21
  meanings.
• 32:22
  It
• 32:22
  means
• 32:23
  someone
• 32:24
  who
• 32:24
  lives
• 32:25
  in
• 32:25
  an
• 32:25
  awakened
• 32:26
  way
• 32:27
  that
• 32:27
  is
• 32:28
  in
• 32:28
  a
• 32:28
  way
• 32:28
  that's
• 32:29
  not
• 32:30
  separate
• 32:31
  from
• 32:31
  other
• 32:31
  beings,
• 32:32
  not
• 32:32
  selfish.
• 32:33
  But
• 32:33
  the
• 32:33
  Bodhisattva
• 32:34
  is
• 32:35
  a
• 32:35
  being
• 32:35
  who's
• 32:36
  committed
• 32:36
  to
• 32:37
  living
• 32:38
  for
• 32:38
  the
• 32:38
  benefit
• 32:39
  of
• 32:39
  all,
• 32:40
  basically.
• 32:42
  And
• 32:42
  there
• 32:42
  are
• 32:42
  all
• 32:42
  these
• 32:42
  examples
• 32:43
  of
• 32:43
  great
• 32:43
  bodhisattvas
• 32:45
  and
• 32:45
  the
• 32:45
  sort
• 32:46
  of
• 32:46
  the
• 32:46
  old
• 32:46
  time
• 32:46
  religion
• 32:47
  examples
• 32:48
  of
• 32:48
  the
• 32:48
  Buddhist
• 32:49
  time.
• 32:49
  But
• 32:50
  you
• 32:50
  know,
• 32:50
  you
• 32:50
  could
• 32:51
  say,
• 32:51
  because
• 32:51
  you
• 32:51
  named
• 32:52
  her
• 32:52
  Mother
• 32:52
  Teresa
• 32:53
  or
• 32:53
  Martin
• 32:54
  Luther
• 32:54
  King
• 32:54
  or,
• 32:55
  you
• 32:56
  know,
• 32:56
  so
• 32:57
  many
• 32:57
  other
• 32:57
  kind
• 32:57
  of
• 32:58
  modern
• 32:58
  sage,
• 32:59
  saint
• 33:00
  people.
• 33:01
  But
• 33:01
  the
• 33:01
  beautiful
• 33:01
  thing
• 33:02
  about
• 33:02
  the
• 33:03
  Bodhisattva
• 33:05
  ideal,
• 33:06
  if
• 33:07
  you
• 33:07
  will,
• 33:08
  is
• 33:08
  that
• 33:08
  you
• 33:09
  don't
• 33:09
  become,
• 33:11
  becomes
• 33:13
  an
• 33:13
  intention.
• 33:15
  And
• 33:15
  it's
• 33:16
  very,
• 33:16
  very
• 33:16
  different
• 33:17
  than
• 33:17
  if
• 33:17
  you
• 33:17
  say,
• 33:18
  well,
• 33:18
  I'm
• 33:18
  a
• 33:18
  Bodhisattva.
• 33:20
  I
• 33:20
  mean,
• 33:20
  I
• 33:20
  could
• 33:21
  say
• 33:21
  that
• 33:21
  I'm,
• 33:22
  you
• 33:22
  know,
• 33:22
  in
• 33:22
  the
• 33:22
  sense
• 33:23
  of
• 33:23
  it
• 33:23
  being
• 33:24
  inspired
• 33:25
  by
• 33:26
  or
• 33:26
  intending.
• 33:28
  There
• 33:28
  are
• 33:28
  the
• 33:29
  Bodhisattva
• 33:30
  vows
• 33:31
  that
• 33:31
  are
• 33:31
  taken
• 33:33
  in
• 33:33
  Zen.
• 33:34
  There
• 33:34
  are
• 33:35
  four
• 33:35
  Bodhisattva
• 33:36
  vows.
• 33:37
  And
• 33:37
  you
• 33:37
  sit
• 33:37
  at
• 33:37
  the
• 33:38
  beginning
• 33:39
  of
• 33:39
  your
• 33:39
  sitting
• 33:40
  in
• 33:40
  the
• 33:40
  Zendo,
• 33:41
  everyone
• 33:42
  sitting
• 33:43
  in
• 33:43
  upright,
• 33:44
  fine
• 33:44
  Zen
• 33:45
  posture
• 33:45
  and
• 33:46
  then
• 33:46
  chanting,
• 33:47
  sentient
• 33:48
  beings
• 33:49
  are
• 33:49
  numberless.
• 33:50
  I
• 33:50
  vow
• 33:51
  to
• 33:51
  save
• 33:52
  them
• 33:52
  all.
• 33:53
  You
• 33:53
  know,
• 33:53
  and
• 33:53
  it
• 33:54
  goes
• 33:54
  on
• 33:54
  with
• 33:54
  the
• 33:54
  other
• 33:55
  vows
• 33:55
  about
• 33:56
  mastering
• 33:57
  all
• 33:57
  the
• 33:57
  desires
• 33:58
  and
• 33:58
  things
• 33:58
  like
• 33:58
  that.
• 34:01
  But
• 34:01
  it's
• 34:01
  kind
• 34:01
  of
• 34:02
  a
• 34:02
  weird
• 34:02
  thing
• 34:03
  actually
• 34:03
  to
• 34:03
  chant
• 34:04
  because
• 34:05
  if
• 34:05
  you
• 34:05
  think
• 34:05
  about
• 34:06
  saving
• 34:06
  all
• 34:06
  beings
• 34:08
  and
• 34:08
  you
• 34:08
  go
• 34:09
  home,
• 34:10
  turns
• 34:11
  out
• 34:11
  that
• 34:12
  your
• 34:12
  family
• 34:12
  doesn't
• 34:13
  want
• 34:13
  to
• 34:13
  be
• 34:13
  saved
• 34:14
  by
• 34:14
  you.
• 34:16
  They
• 34:16
  don't.
• 34:18
  And
• 34:18
  so
• 34:18
  it
• 34:18
  has
• 34:19
  to
• 34:19
  have
• 34:19
  some
• 34:19
  other
• 34:20
  meaning
• 34:20
  than
• 34:21
  I'm
• 34:21
  going
• 34:21
  to
• 34:21
  go
• 34:21
  around
• 34:22
  and
• 34:22
  save
• 34:22
  all
• 34:22
  my
• 34:23
  friends.
• 34:24
  You
• 34:24
  know,
• 34:25
  Buddha
• 34:25
  spare
• 34:26
  them
• 34:26
  or
• 34:26
  God
• 34:26
  spare
• 34:27
  them
• 34:27
  or
• 34:27
  whatever,
• 34:28
  and
• 34:28
  you
• 34:29
  become
• 34:29
  sort
• 34:29
  of
• 34:30
  this
• 34:31
  Missionary
• 34:31
  Bodhisattva.
• 34:32
  So
• 34:33
  what
• 34:33
  does
• 34:33
  sentient
• 34:34
  beings
• 34:34
  are
• 34:34
  numberless,
• 34:35
  I
• 34:35
  vow
• 34:35
  to
• 34:36
  save
• 34:36
  them
• 34:36
  all
• 34:36
  mean?
• 34:37
  Well,
• 34:38
  first
• 34:38
  of
• 34:38
  all,
• 34:38
  my
• 34:39
  beloved
• 34:39
  Trudi
• 34:40
  chants
• 34:40
  it
• 34:40
  differently.
• 34:41
  I
• 34:42
  vow
• 34:42
  to
• 34:43
  free
• 34:43
  them
• 34:43
  all.
• 34:44
  And
• 34:45
  then
• 34:45
  she
• 34:45
  goes
• 34:45
  on
• 34:46
  to
• 34:46
  say,
• 34:47
  and
• 34:47
  what
• 34:47
  does
• 34:47
  it
• 34:47
  mean
• 34:47
  to
• 34:48
  free
• 34:48
  beings?
• 34:48
  To
• 34:49
  free
• 34:49
  them
• 34:49
  in
• 34:50
  all
• 34:50
  the
• 34:50
  ways
• 34:50
  that
• 34:50
  I
• 34:51
  limit
• 34:51
  the
• 34:52
  way
• 34:52
  I
• 34:52
  hold
• 34:52
  them
• 34:53
  and
• 34:53
  to
• 34:53
  offer
• 34:54
  them
• 34:54
  that
• 34:54
  kind
• 34:55
  of
• 34:55
  freedom
• 34:55
  in
• 34:55
  whatever
• 34:56
  way
• 34:56
  I
• 34:56
  can.
• 34:57
  That's
• 34:57
  different.
• 34:58
  It's
• 34:59
  still
• 34:59
  a
• 34:59
  wee
• 35:00
  bit
• 35:00
  idealistic,
• 35:01
  given
• 35:01
  that
• 35:02
  there
• 35:02
  are
• 35:02
  innumerable
• 35:02
  sentient
• 35:03
  beings
• 35:03
  and
• 35:03
  you're
• 35:04
  just
• 35:04
  one.
• 35:05
  So
• 35:05
  what
• 35:06
  it
• 35:06
  actually
• 35:08
  functionally
• 35:09
  comes
• 35:10
  down
• 35:10
  to
• 35:11
  is
• 35:13
  a
• 35:13
  setting
• 35:14
  of
• 35:14
  the
• 35:14
  compass
• 35:14
  of
• 35:15
  your
• 35:15
  heart.
• 35:17
  You
• 35:17
  could
• 35:17
  set
• 35:18
  the
• 35:18
  compass
• 35:18
  toward
• 35:19
  money
• 35:19
  or
• 35:19
  power
• 35:20
  or,
• 35:20
  you
• 35:21
  know,
• 35:22
  all
• 35:22
  kinds
• 35:22
  of
• 35:23
  other
• 35:23
  things,
• 35:24
  domination
• 35:25
  or
• 35:25
  greed,
• 35:26
  whatever.
• 35:27
  But
• 35:28
  here
• 35:28
  you
• 35:28
  set
• 35:28
  the
• 35:29
  compass
• 35:29
  and
• 35:30
  you
• 35:30
  say,
• 35:30
  may
• 35:31
  I
• 35:31
  be
• 35:31
  of
• 35:32
  a
• 35:33
  force
• 35:33
  for
• 35:33
  the
• 35:34
  compassion
• 35:35
  and
• 35:36
  the
• 35:36
  freedom
• 35:39
  for
• 35:39
  beings
• 35:39
  everywhere.
• 35:40
  And
• 35:41
  then
• 35:41
  it
• 35:41
  becomes
• 35:42
  kind
• 35:42
  of
• 35:43
  the
• 35:44
  compass
• 35:44
  that
• 35:45
  as
• 35:45
  you
• 35:45
  go
• 35:45
  through
• 35:45
  the
• 35:46
  day
• 35:46
  and
• 35:46
  you
• 35:46
  go
• 35:46
  to
• 35:47
  Trader
• 35:47
  Joe's
• 35:48
  and,
• 35:49
  you
• 35:49
  know,
• 35:50
  some
• 35:50
  people
• 35:51
  are
• 35:51
  jostling
• 35:52
  to
• 35:52
  get
• 35:52
  in
• 35:52
  line
• 35:53
  and
• 35:53
  push
• 35:53
  their
• 35:53
  carts
• 35:54
  in
• 35:54
  front
• 35:54
  of
• 35:55
  you.
• 35:55
  And
• 35:56
  you
• 35:56
  could
• 35:56
  be.
• 35:57
  I
• 35:57
  could
• 35:57
  be
• 35:58
  annoyed
• 35:59
  by
• 35:59
  that,
• 36:01
  or
• 36:01
  I
• 36:01
  could
• 36:01
  remember
• 36:02
  when
• 36:02
  the
• 36:03
  annoyance
• 36:03
  arises,
• 36:04
  oh,
• 36:05
  Bodhisattva
• 36:06
  vow
• 36:07
  intention.
• 36:07
  And
• 36:08
  I
• 36:08
  see
• 36:08
  them
• 36:09
  with
• 36:09
  the
• 36:09
  eyes
• 36:09
  of
• 36:09
  beings
• 36:10
  who
• 36:10
  are
• 36:10
  struggling
• 36:11
  to
• 36:11
  get
• 36:11
  through
• 36:11
  the
• 36:12
  day.
• 36:12
  And
• 36:12
  I
• 36:12
  don't
• 36:13
  know,
• 36:13
  maybe
• 36:13
  they're
• 36:14
  in
• 36:14
  a
• 36:14
  hurry
• 36:14
  because
• 36:15
  their
• 36:15
  kid
• 36:15
  is
• 36:16
  very
• 36:16
  sick,
• 36:18
  or
• 36:18
  maybe
• 36:18
  they're
• 36:18
  in
• 36:18
  the
• 36:19
  hurry
• 36:19
  because
• 36:19
  they
• 36:19
  had
• 36:20
  a
• 36:20
  accident
• 36:21
  on
• 36:21
  the
• 36:21
  way
• 36:21
  there
• 36:21
  and
• 36:22
  they
• 36:22
  still
• 36:22
  have
• 36:22
  to
• 36:22
  finish
• 36:23
  their
• 36:23
  errands
• 36:24
  and
• 36:24
  get
• 36:24
  back.
• 36:25
  Who
• 36:25
  knows
• 36:25
  what's
• 36:26
  going
• 36:26
  on
• 36:26
  for
• 36:26
  them.
• 36:27
  And
• 36:27
  then
• 36:28
  you
• 36:28
  see
• 36:28
  with
• 36:28
  the
• 36:28
  eyes
• 36:29
  of
• 36:29
  compassion
• 36:29
  that
• 36:29
  we're
• 36:30
  all
• 36:30
  just
• 36:30
  in
• 36:30
  it
• 36:31
  together,
• 36:32
  both
• 36:32
  suffering
• 36:33
  and
• 36:33
  also
• 36:34
  free
• 36:35
  to
• 36:35
  awaken,
• 36:36
  free
• 36:36
  to
• 36:36
  love.
• 36:37
  The
• 36:38
  Dalai
• 36:38
  Lama
• 36:38
  wakes
• 36:39
  up
• 36:39
  early
• 36:40
  in
• 36:40
  the
• 36:40
  morning
• 36:41
  and
• 36:41
  I'm
• 36:42
  about
• 36:42
  to
• 36:42
  go
• 36:42
  to
• 36:43
  India
• 36:44
  next
• 36:45
  week
• 36:45
  to
• 36:46
  see
• 36:46
  him
• 36:47
  as
• 36:48
  part
• 36:48
  of
• 36:48
  the
• 36:48
  Mind
• 36:48
  and
• 36:49
  Life
• 36:50
  Institute
• 36:51
  that
• 36:51
  he
• 36:51
  helped
• 36:51
  to
• 36:52
  start
• 36:52
  30
• 36:52
  some
• 36:53
  years
• 36:53
  ago
• 36:53
  to
• 36:54
  use
• 36:54
  bring
• 36:55
  together
• 36:55
  science
• 36:56
  and
• 36:56
  meditation,
• 36:58
  science
• 36:59
  and
• 36:59
  contemplation
• 37:00
  for
• 37:01
  the
• 37:01
  those
• 37:01
  meetings.
• 37:03
  And
• 37:03
  he
• 37:03
  wakes
• 37:04
  up
• 37:04
  in
• 37:04
  the
• 37:04
  dark,
• 37:05
  begins
• 37:06
  his
• 37:06
  practice
• 37:07
  with
• 37:07
  the
• 37:08
  vows
• 37:09
  from
• 37:09
  the
• 37:10
  Bodhisattva,
• 37:10
  vows
• 37:11
  from
• 37:11
  Shantideva,
• 37:13
  and
• 37:13
  makes
• 37:13
  a
• 37:13
  prayer
• 37:16
  which
• 37:16
  is
• 37:16
  a
• 37:16
  dedication
• 37:17
  of
• 37:17
  his
• 37:18
  life
• 37:18
  energy.
• 37:19
  May
• 37:20
  I
• 37:20
  be
• 37:22
  food
• 37:22
  for
• 37:23
  the
• 37:23
  hungry.
• 37:25
  May
• 37:25
  I
• 37:25
  be
• 37:25
  a
• 37:25
  resting
• 37:26
  place
• 37:26
  for
• 37:27
  the
• 37:27
  weary.
• 37:29
  May
• 37:29
  I
• 37:29
  be
• 37:30
  lamp
• 37:31
  for
• 37:31
  those
• 37:32
  who
• 37:32
  are
• 37:32
  lost
• 37:33
  in
• 37:33
  darkness.
• 37:35
  May
• 37:35
  I
• 37:35
  be
• 37:35
  a
• 37:35
  source
• 37:36
  of
• 37:36
  peace
• 37:36
  for
• 37:36
  those
• 37:37
  who
• 37:37
  are
• 37:38
  experiencing
• 37:39
  struggle.
• 37:40
  And
• 37:40
  he
• 37:40
  goes
• 37:41
  on
• 37:41
  with
• 37:41
  a
• 37:41
  series
• 37:42
  of
• 37:42
  these
• 37:42
  really
• 37:42
  beautiful
• 37:43
  vows.
• 37:44
  And
• 37:44
  may
• 37:44
  I
• 37:45
  do
• 37:45
  so.
• 37:46
  May
• 37:46
  I
• 37:47
  offer
• 37:47
  myself
• 37:49
  for
• 37:49
  as
• 37:49
  long
• 37:49
  as
• 37:50
  space
• 37:50
  and
• 37:50
  Time
• 37:51
  exists
• 37:51
  and
• 37:51
  beings
• 37:52
  exist.
• 37:52
  May
• 37:53
  I
• 37:53
  be
• 37:53
  the
• 37:53
  force
• 37:54
  to
• 37:54
  bring
• 37:55
  blessings
• 37:57
  to
• 37:57
  all
• 37:57
  I
• 37:57
  encounter
• 37:58
  and
• 37:59
  to
• 37:59
  all
• 37:59
  that
• 38:00
  radiates
• 38:00
  out
• 38:00
  from
• 38:01
  there.
• 38:01
  It's
• 38:01
  a
• 38:02
  gorgeous
• 38:02
  Bodhisattva
• 38:03
  vow,
• 38:05
  right?
• 38:06
  And
• 38:07
  it
• 38:07
  doesn't
• 38:07
  say,
• 38:07
  I'm
• 38:08
  the
• 38:08
  great
• 38:08
  Bodhisattva,
• 38:09
  which
• 38:09
  she
• 38:10
  happens
• 38:10
  to
• 38:10
  be
• 38:10
  in
• 38:11
  some
• 38:11
  ways,
• 38:12
  but
• 38:12
  this
• 38:13
  is
• 38:13
  my
• 38:13
  intention.
• 38:15
  May
• 38:15
  I
• 38:15
  use
• 38:15
  the
• 38:16
  day
• 38:16
  and
• 38:16
  the
• 38:17
  gifts
• 38:17
  and
• 38:17
  the
• 38:18
  mystery
• 38:18
  of
• 38:19
  having
• 38:19
  a
• 38:19
  human
• 38:19
  life
• 38:21
  and
• 38:21
  spread
• 38:22
  well
• 38:22
  being
• 38:23
  and
• 38:24
  compassion
• 38:24
  and
• 38:25
  care
• 38:26
  so
• 38:26
  that
• 38:26
  we
• 38:26
  all
• 38:27
  become
• 38:28
  awakened
• 38:29
  and
• 38:29
  free
• 38:29
  and
• 38:29
  blessed
• 38:30
  and
• 38:31
  each
• 38:31
  in
• 38:32
  our
• 38:32
  own
• 38:32
  way.
• 38:34
  It's
• 38:35
  a
• 38:35
  really
• 38:35
  beautiful,
• 38:36
  beautiful
• 38:37
  ideal.
• 38:39
  And
• 38:39
  wending
• 38:40
  our
• 38:40
  way
• 38:40
  back
• 38:41
  to
• 38:41
  your
• 38:41
  question
• 38:41
  of
• 38:42
  ideal,
• 38:42
  ideals
• 38:43
  are
• 38:43
  not
• 38:43
  something
• 38:44
  you
• 38:44
  become.
• 38:47
  They're
• 38:48
  really
• 38:48
  the
• 38:49
  archetypal
• 38:50
  image
• 38:50
  of
• 38:51
  possibility
• 38:53
  for
• 38:53
  us,
• 38:54
  in
• 38:54
  this
• 38:54
  case,
• 38:54
  the
• 38:55
  positive
• 38:56
  ideals
• 38:57
  that
• 38:57
  illuminate
• 38:58
  how
• 38:59
  we
• 38:59
  might
• 38:59
  live
• 39:01
  and
• 39:01
  how
• 39:01
  we
• 39:02
  might
• 39:02
  act.
• 39:02
  And
• 39:02
  the
• 39:03
  cool
• 39:03
  thing
• 39:03
  about
• 39:04
  Shanti
• 39:04
  Davis
• 39:05
  vows
• 39:06
  is
• 39:06
  that
• 39:08
  they
• 39:09
  make
• 39:09
  you
• 39:09
  happy.
• 39:12
  It's
• 39:12
  not
• 39:12
  like
• 39:13
  you
• 39:13
  have
• 39:14
  to
• 39:14
  go
• 39:14
  do
• 39:14
  this,
• 39:14
  you
• 39:15
  know,
• 39:15
  you
• 39:15
  lazy
• 39:16
  son
• 39:16
  of
• 39:17
  a.
• 39:17
  Whatever,
• 39:18
  get
• 39:18
  out
• 39:18
  there
• 39:18
  and
• 39:19
  save
• 39:19
  everybody
• 39:20
  or
• 39:20
  liberate
• 39:21
  them
• 39:21
  all.
• 39:22
  But
• 39:22
  when
• 39:22
  you
• 39:23
  get
• 39:23
  quiet
• 39:23
  and
• 39:24
  listen,
• 39:25
  it
• 39:25
  is
• 39:25
  the
• 39:26
  very
• 39:27
  offering.
• 39:28
  It's
• 39:28
  sort
• 39:28
  of.
• 39:29
  You
• 39:29
  can't
• 39:29
  separate
• 39:30
  it,
• 39:30
  becoming
• 39:31
  that
• 39:32
  peace
• 39:32
  or
• 39:33
  generosity
• 39:33
  or
• 39:34
  love
• 39:34
  or
• 39:34
  compassion,
• 39:36
  and
• 39:36
  then
• 39:37
  shining
• 39:37
  it
• 39:38
  where
• 39:38
  you
• 39:38
  go
• 39:39
  turns
• 39:39
  out
• 39:40
  to
• 39:40
  really
• 39:40
  make
• 39:41
  you
• 39:41
  happy.
• 39:43
  And
• 39:43
  there
• 39:43
  you
• 39:44
  are.
• 39:44
  There
• 39:44
  I
• 39:44
  am
• 39:44
  in
• 39:45
  line
• 39:47
  at
• 39:47
  Trader
• 39:48
  Joe's
• 39:48
  with
• 39:48
  somebody
• 39:49
  misbehaving
• 39:50
  in
• 39:50
  my
• 39:51
  mind,
• 39:51
  you
• 39:52
  know,
• 39:52
  And
• 39:53
  I
• 39:53
  could
• 39:53
  either
• 39:53
  go
• 39:54
  down
• 39:54
  the
• 39:54
  rabbit
• 39:54
  hole
• 39:55
  of
• 39:55
  judgment
• 39:56
  and
• 39:56
  people
• 39:56
  are.
• 39:57
  Don't
• 39:57
  know,
• 39:58
  kind
• 39:58
  anymore,
• 39:59
  whatever,
• 40:00
  or
• 40:00
  I
• 40:00
  could
• 40:00
  go
• 40:01
  to
• 40:01
  the
• 40:01
  place
• 40:01
  of
• 40:02
  the
• 40:02
  Bodhisattva
• 40:03
  compassion
• 40:03
  and
• 40:04
  bless
• 40:04
  everybody.
• 40:06
  So
• 40:06
  poet
• 40:06
  Diane
• 40:07
  Ackerman
• 40:08
  writes
• 40:08
  a
• 40:08
  modern
• 40:08
  Bodhisattva
• 40:09
  vow.
• 40:10
  See
• 40:11
  if
• 40:11
  I
• 40:11
  can
• 40:11
  remember
• 40:12
  the
• 40:12
  beginning
• 40:13
  in
• 40:13
  the
• 40:13
  name
• 40:14
  of
• 40:14
  daybreak
• 40:15
  and
• 40:16
  the
• 40:16
  eyelids
• 40:17
  of
• 40:17
  morning
• 40:18
  and
• 40:18
  the
• 40:19
  wayfaring
• 40:19
  moon,
• 40:21
  and
• 40:21
  the
• 40:21
  night
• 40:22
  when
• 40:22
  it
• 40:22
  departs,
• 40:24
  I
• 40:24
  swear
• 40:24
  I
• 40:25
  will
• 40:25
  not
• 40:25
  dishonor
• 40:26
  my
• 40:26
  soul
• 40:26
  with
• 40:27
  hatred,
• 40:28
  but
• 40:28
  offer
• 40:29
  myself
• 40:29
  humbly
• 40:30
  as
• 40:31
  a
• 40:32
  guardian
• 40:32
  of
• 40:33
  nature,
• 40:34
  a
• 40:34
  healer
• 40:35
  of
• 40:36
  misery,
• 40:37
  a
• 40:37
  messenger
• 40:37
  of
• 40:38
  wonder,
• 40:39
  and
• 40:39
  an
• 40:40
  architect
• 40:40
  of
• 40:41
  peace.
• 40:43
  That's
• 40:43
  a
• 40:43
  modern
• 40:44
  translation
• 40:45
  of
• 40:45
  Shanti
• 40:45
  Devi,
• 40:46
  you
• 40:46
  could
• 40:46
  say.
• 40:47
  But
• 40:47
  then
• 40:47
  when
• 40:47
  I
• 40:48
  teach,
• 40:48
  I
• 40:48
  have
• 40:49
  people,
• 40:49
  especially
• 40:50
  when
• 40:50
  we
• 40:50
  meditated.
• 40:51
  And
• 40:51
  so
• 40:52
  the
• 40:52
  kind
• 40:52
  of
• 40:53
  COVID
• 40:53
  of
• 40:54
  busy
• 40:54
  mind,
• 40:55
  they
• 40:56
  drop
• 40:56
  below
• 40:56
  that
• 40:57
  to
• 40:57
  a
• 40:57
  quieter
• 40:58
  place
• 40:58
  to
• 40:59
  tune
• 40:59
  into
• 41:00
  more
• 41:00
  of
• 41:00
  the
• 41:00
  mystery.
• 41:02
  And
• 41:02
  then
• 41:03
  I'll
• 41:03
  say,
• 41:03
  if
• 41:03
  you
• 41:04
  were
• 41:04
  to
• 41:04
  write
• 41:04
  your
• 41:04
  own
• 41:05
  Bodhisattva
• 41:06
  vow,
• 41:08
  set
• 41:08
  the
• 41:08
  compass
• 41:09
  of
• 41:09
  your
• 41:09
  heart
• 41:10
  to
• 41:10
  the
• 41:10
  highest
• 41:11
  or
• 41:11
  most
• 41:12
  beautiful
• 41:14
  capacity.
• 41:16
  Take
• 41:16
  a
• 41:17
  little
• 41:17
  time,
• 41:18
  reflect
• 41:18
  and
• 41:19
  write
• 41:19
  it
• 41:20
  down.
• 41:21
  And
• 41:21
  it
• 41:21
  doesn't
• 41:21
  have
• 41:21
  to
• 41:22
  be
• 41:22
  a
• 41:22
  great
• 41:22
  poem.
• 41:23
  It
• 41:23
  could
• 41:24
  be
• 41:24
  simply,
• 41:24
  I
• 41:25
  vow
• 41:25
  to
• 41:25
  be
• 41:25
  kind.
• 41:27
  That'll
• 41:27
  get
• 41:28
  you
• 41:28
  really
• 41:28
  far,
• 41:29
  it
• 41:29
  turns
• 41:29
  out,
• 41:30
  you
• 41:30
  know,
• 41:30
  or
• 41:30
  something
• 41:31
  simple.
• 41:32
  And
• 41:32
  then
• 41:32
  the
• 41:32
  next
• 41:32
  thing
• 41:33
  that
• 41:33
  I
• 41:33
  do
• 41:34
  is
• 41:35
  I
• 41:35
  have
• 41:35
  them
• 41:35
  write
• 41:36
  it
• 41:36
  down,
• 41:37
  right?
• 41:38
  I
• 41:39
  have
• 41:39
  them
• 41:39
  turn
• 41:39
  to
• 41:40
  another
• 41:40
  person.
• 41:42
  And
• 41:42
  they
• 41:42
  each
• 41:43
  read
• 41:43
  it,
• 41:44
  read
• 41:44
  to
• 41:44
  one
• 41:45
  another
• 41:45
  their
• 41:45
  vow,
• 41:46
  which
• 41:46
  is
• 41:46
  a
• 41:46
  very
• 41:47
  intimate
• 41:47
  thing.
• 41:49
  But
• 41:49
  it's
• 41:49
  one
• 41:49
  thing
• 41:50
  to
• 41:50
  have
• 41:50
  the
• 41:50
  idea.
• 41:51
  It's
• 41:51
  another
• 41:51
  to
• 41:52
  write
• 41:52
  it,
• 41:52
  which
• 41:52
  all
• 41:52
  of
• 41:53
  a
• 41:53
  sudden
• 41:53
  it
• 41:53
  becomes
• 41:54
  something
• 41:54
  that
• 41:54
  you
• 41:54
  can
• 41:55
  return
• 41:55
  to.
• 41:56
  And
• 41:56
  then
• 41:56
  to
• 41:57
  speak
• 41:57
  it.
• 41:57
  It's
• 41:58
  in.
• 41:58
  The
• 41:58
  Sufis
• 41:59
  speak
• 41:59
  about
• 42:00
  so
• 42:00
  bad,
• 42:02
  about
• 42:02
  a
• 42:03
  communion
• 42:04
  of
• 42:04
  the
• 42:04
  heart.
• 42:05
  And
• 42:05
  when
• 42:05
  someone
• 42:06
  reads
• 42:06
  their
• 42:07
  bodhisattva
• 42:08
  vow.
• 42:08
  That
• 42:09
  they
• 42:09
  just
• 42:10
  pulled
• 42:10
  out
• 42:10
  of
• 42:11
  nothing.
• 42:12
  Because
• 42:12
  everything
• 42:13
  comes
• 42:13
  out
• 42:13
  of
• 42:13
  nothing,
• 42:14
  by
• 42:14
  the
• 42:14
  way.
• 42:15
  And
• 42:15
  this
• 42:16
  thing
• 42:16
  comes
• 42:17
  out,
• 42:17
  and
• 42:17
  then
• 42:17
  they
• 42:17
  read
• 42:18
  it.
• 42:18
  There's
• 42:18
  something
• 42:19
  so
• 42:19
  intimate
• 42:19
  and
• 42:20
  beautiful
• 42:20
  about
• 42:20
  it.
• 42:21
  So
• 42:21
  when
• 42:22
  we
• 42:22
  talk
• 42:22
  about
• 42:22
  greatness,
• 42:25
  you
• 42:25
  know,
• 42:25
  there
• 42:25
  are
• 42:26
  some
• 42:26
  really
• 42:26
  great
• 42:27
  rock
• 42:27
  and
• 42:27
  roll
• 42:28
  bands.
• 42:29
  I
• 42:29
  was
• 42:30
  going
• 42:30
  to
• 42:30
  mention
• 42:30
  that,
• 42:30
  actually.
• 42:31
  Yes,
• 42:32
  right.
• 42:33
  I
• 42:33
  mean,
• 42:33
  there's
• 42:33
  the
• 42:34
  Grateful
• 42:34
  Dead,
• 42:34
  who
• 42:35
  happen
• 42:35
  to
• 42:35
  be
• 42:35
  great
• 42:36
  as
• 42:36
  well
• 42:36
  as
• 42:36
  grateful.
• 42:37
  There
• 42:38
  are
• 42:38
  all
• 42:38
  kinds
• 42:39
  of
• 42:39
  forms
• 42:40
  of.
• 42:40
  There's
• 42:40
  artistic
• 42:41
  greatness
• 42:41
  and
• 42:42
  athletic
• 42:42
  greatness.
• 42:43
  And
• 42:43
  the
• 42:43
  Bodhisattva
• 42:44
  is
• 42:44
  the
• 42:44
  greatness
• 42:46
  in
• 42:46
  compassion.
• 42:47
  And
• 42:47
  the
• 42:47
  greatness
• 42:48
  and
• 42:48
  blessing.
• 42:49
  And
• 42:50
  the
• 42:50
  beautiful
• 42:50
  thing
• 42:51
  is
• 42:51
  we
• 42:51
  can
• 42:51
  each
• 42:51
  do
• 42:52
  it
• 42:52
  in
• 42:53
  some
• 42:53
  difficult
• 42:53
  situation.
• 42:54
  Or
• 42:55
  even
• 42:55
  just
• 42:55
  get
• 42:55
  lost
• 42:56
  a
• 42:56
  bit.
• 42:57
  All
• 42:57
  you
• 42:57
  have
• 42:57
  to
• 42:57
  do
• 42:57
  is
• 42:58
  take
• 42:58
  a
• 42:58
  breath
• 42:59
  and
• 42:59
  pause
• 43:02
  and
• 43:02
  say,
• 43:02
  now,
• 43:02
  what
• 43:02
  was
• 43:03
  that
• 43:03
  pesky
• 43:03
  little
• 43:04
  vow
• 43:04
  I
• 43:04
  took?
• 43:05
  Oh,
• 43:05
  yeah.
• 43:07
  I
• 43:07
  made
• 43:08
  that
• 43:08
  vow.
• 43:08
  And
• 43:09
  everything
• 43:09
  becomes
• 43:10
  clear.
• 43:11
  It
• 43:11
  doesn't
• 43:11
  take
• 43:12
  it,
• 43:12
  really.
• 43:12
  30
• 43:13
  seconds
• 43:13
  and
• 43:14
  you're
• 43:14
  back.
• 43:15
  Now,
• 43:15
  the
• 43:15
  Dalai
• 43:16
  Lama
• 43:16
  in
• 43:16
  drag,
• 43:17
  right
• 43:17
  there.
• 43:18
  Nobody
• 43:18
  knows.
• 43:19
  But
• 43:19
  you
• 43:19
  remember.
• 43:21
  It
• 43:21
  seems
• 43:22
  that
• 43:22
  a
• 43:22
  lot
• 43:22
  of
• 43:23
  us.
• 43:23
  And
• 43:23
  there
• 43:24
  may
• 43:24
  be
• 43:24
  old
• 43:24
  souls
• 43:25
  that
• 43:25
  come
• 43:25
  into
• 43:26
  this
• 43:26
  body
• 43:26
  that
• 43:27
  have
• 43:27
  already
• 43:27
  been
• 43:27
  there
• 43:27
  and
• 43:28
  done
• 43:28
  that.
• 43:28
  They
• 43:28
  just
• 43:28
  grow
• 43:29
  up,
• 43:29
  you
• 43:29
  know,
• 43:29
  just
• 43:30
  are
• 43:30
  born
• 43:30
  enlightened
• 43:31
  or
• 43:31
  in
• 43:32
  touch
• 43:32
  with
• 43:32
  ground
• 43:32
  of
• 43:33
  being.
• 43:34
  But
• 43:34
  for
• 43:34
  many
• 43:34
  of
• 43:35
  us,
• 43:36
  there
• 43:36
  has
• 43:36
  to
• 43:36
  grow
• 43:37
  a
• 43:37
  divine
• 43:38
  or
• 43:38
  sacred
• 43:39
  dissatisfaction
• 43:41
  with
• 43:41
  what
• 43:41
  we're
• 43:41
  doing.
• 43:42
  I
• 43:42
  heard
• 43:42
  a
• 43:42
  story.
• 43:43
  I
• 43:43
  don't
• 43:43
  know
• 43:43
  if
• 43:43
  that's
• 43:44
  true
• 43:45
  or
• 43:45
  not,
• 43:45
  but
• 43:46
  the
• 43:46
  Buddha
• 43:46
  said,
• 43:46
  if.
• 43:47
  If
• 43:47
  you're
• 43:47
  happy
• 43:48
  with
• 43:48
  your
• 43:48
  life
• 43:49
  and
• 43:49
  money
• 43:49
  and
• 43:49
  sex
• 43:50
  and
• 43:50
  being
• 43:50
  alive
• 43:50
  in
• 43:50
  the
• 43:51
  world
• 43:51
  and
• 43:51
  everything,
• 43:51
  don't
• 43:51
  talk
• 43:51
  to
• 43:52
  me.
• 43:52
  But
• 43:52
  if
• 43:53
  it's
• 43:53
  not
• 43:53
  working
• 43:53
  for
• 43:53
  you
• 43:54
  so
• 43:54
  much,
• 43:54
  then
• 43:54
  we
• 43:54
  have
• 43:54
  something
• 43:55
  to
• 43:55
  talk
• 43:55
  about.
• 43:56
  And
• 43:56
  I
• 43:56
  think
• 43:56
  it's
• 43:57
  dissatisfaction
• 43:58
  of
• 43:58
  maybe
• 43:59
  the
• 43:59
  values
• 43:59
  we've
• 44:00
  been
• 44:00
  given
• 44:00
  or
• 44:00
  we're
• 44:01
  trying
• 44:01
  to
• 44:01
  do
• 44:01
  it
• 44:01
  or
• 44:01
  rebelling
• 44:02
  against
• 44:02
  it,
• 44:03
  that
• 44:03
  it's
• 44:04
  just
• 44:04
  not
• 44:04
  working
• 44:04
  for
• 44:05
  us
• 44:05
  anymore.
• 44:05
  And
• 44:06
  we
• 44:06
  begin
• 44:06
  to
• 44:07
  make
• 44:07
  that
• 44:07
  turn
• 44:08
  to
• 44:09
  live
• 44:09
  in
• 44:10
  a
• 44:10
  better
• 44:10
  way.
• 44:10
  Something
• 44:10
  that
• 44:11
  will
• 44:11
  satisfy
• 44:11
  us,
• 44:12
  that'll
• 44:12
  make
• 44:13
  us
• 44:13
  Happier.
• 44:15
  So
• 44:15
  I
• 44:15
  have
• 44:15
  to
• 44:16
  say
• 44:16
  I
• 44:17
  really
• 44:17
  love
• 44:17
  your
• 44:17
  modern
• 44:18
  translation
• 44:19
  of
• 44:19
  the
• 44:20
  Buddha.
• 44:21
  I
• 44:21
  just
• 44:21
  think
• 44:21
  it's
• 44:21
  great.
• 44:22
  He
• 44:22
  said,
• 44:22
  listen,
• 44:22
  dude,
• 44:23
  is
• 44:23
  it
• 44:23
  working
• 44:23
  for
• 44:24
  you
• 44:24
  or
• 44:24
  not?
• 44:25
  You
• 44:25
  know,
• 44:25
  if
• 44:25
  it's
• 44:25
  working,
• 44:26
  you
• 44:26
  come
• 44:26
  back
• 44:26
  sometime
• 44:27
  later.
• 44:28
  I'll
• 44:29
  amplify
• 44:29
  that
• 44:29
  because
• 44:30
  I
• 44:30
  appreciate
• 44:30
  what
• 44:30
  you
• 44:31
  say.
• 44:31
  A
• 44:31
  lot
• 44:31
  of
• 44:32
  people
• 44:32
  are
• 44:32
  drawn
• 44:33
  to
• 44:34
  find
• 44:34
  a
• 44:35
  deeper
• 44:35
  meaning
• 44:35
  because
• 44:36
  of
• 44:36
  their
• 44:36
  suffering.
• 44:38
  It's
• 44:38
  true,
• 44:41
  there
• 44:41
  are
• 44:41
  some
• 44:41
  people.
• 44:42
  And
• 44:42
  you
• 44:42
  sort
• 44:43
  of
• 44:43
  started
• 44:43
  with
• 44:43
  where
• 44:44
  you
• 44:44
  say
• 44:44
  some
• 44:44
  unusual
• 44:45
  people
• 44:45
  are
• 44:45
  born,
• 44:46
  maybe
• 44:46
  more
• 44:46
  enlightened.
• 44:47
  I
• 44:48
  would
• 44:48
  kind
• 44:49
  of
• 44:49
  turn
• 44:50
  it
• 44:50
  slightly
• 44:50
  and
• 44:51
  say
• 44:52
  some
• 44:52
  people
• 44:52
  come
• 44:53
  to
• 44:54
  the
• 44:55
  spiritual
• 44:56
  journey,
• 44:56
  if
• 44:57
  you
• 44:57
  will,
• 44:58
  because
• 44:59
  they've
• 44:59
  had
• 44:59
  some
• 45:00
  beautiful
• 45:00
  awakening.
• 45:01
  They've
• 45:02
  had
• 45:02
  something
• 45:02
  that
• 45:02
  touched
• 45:03
  them,
• 45:03
  they
• 45:04
  remembered
• 45:05
  something,
• 45:05
  they
• 45:05
  saw
• 45:06
  something.
• 45:07
  And
• 45:09
  my
• 45:09
  beloved
• 45:10
  Trudy
• 45:10
  Goodman,
• 45:11
  wife
• 45:11
  and,
• 45:12
  you
• 45:12
  know,
• 45:12
  teaching
• 45:13
  partner
• 45:13
  and
• 45:14
  so
• 45:14
  forth,
• 45:15
  she
• 45:15
  was
• 45:16
  21
• 45:16
  years
• 45:16
  old
• 45:17
  and
• 45:17
  got
• 45:18
  married
• 45:18
  very
• 45:18
  young
• 45:19
  and
• 45:19
  got
• 45:19
  pregnant
• 45:20
  right
• 45:20
  away.
• 45:21
  And
• 45:21
  by
• 45:22
  dint
• 45:22
  of
• 45:23
  what
• 45:23
  was
• 45:23
  happening
• 45:24
  in
• 45:24
  that
• 45:25
  time,
• 45:25
  she
• 45:25
  was
• 45:25
  in
• 45:26
  hospital
• 45:27
  in
• 45:28
  labor.
• 45:29
  And
• 45:29
  she
• 45:30
  mostly
• 45:30
  was
• 45:30
  in
• 45:30
  there
• 45:31
  alone.
• 45:31
  A
• 45:31
  nurse
• 45:32
  would
• 45:32
  come
• 45:32
  visit
• 45:32
  once
• 45:33
  in
• 45:33
  a
• 45:33
  while,
• 45:33
  her
• 45:34
  husband
• 45:35
  went
• 45:35
  out
• 45:36
  and
• 45:36
  whatever,
• 45:37
  she
• 45:37
  was
• 45:38
  there
• 45:38
  alone
• 45:39
  for
• 45:39
  some
• 45:40
  hours.
• 45:40
  And
• 45:41
  she
• 45:41
  said
• 45:41
  the
• 45:41
  only
• 45:42
  thing
• 45:42
  that
• 45:42
  she
• 45:42
  really
• 45:44
  had
• 45:44
  as
• 45:44
  a
• 45:44
  map,
• 45:45
  no
• 45:45
  one
• 45:45
  to
• 45:45
  talk
• 45:45
  to
• 45:45
  her
• 45:46
  about
• 45:46
  what
• 45:46
  was
• 45:46
  going
• 45:46
  to
• 45:47
  happen
• 45:48
  was
• 45:48
  like
• 45:48
  that
• 45:49
  plastic
• 45:50
  bottle
• 45:50
  of
• 45:50
  the
• 45:50
  uterus
• 45:51
  and
• 45:52
  the
• 45:52
  birth
• 45:53
  canal
• 45:53
  on
• 45:53
  the
• 45:54
  wall
• 45:54
  of
• 45:54
  the
• 45:55
  physician's
• 45:56
  office,
• 45:56
  the
• 45:57
  gynecologist's
• 45:58
  office.
• 45:59
  So
• 45:59
  she
• 45:59
  said,
• 45:59
  but
• 45:59
  my
• 46:00
  body,
• 46:00
  it
• 46:01
  just
• 46:01
  started
• 46:01
  to
• 46:01
  do
• 46:02
  this
• 46:02
  thing,
• 46:02
  these
• 46:03
  contractions,
• 46:03
  and
• 46:04
  it
• 46:04
  wasn't
• 46:04
  me
• 46:04
  it
• 46:05
  was
• 46:05
  doing
• 46:05
  it.
• 46:05
  And
• 46:06
  it
• 46:06
  got
• 46:06
  incredibly
• 46:07
  painful
• 46:07
  as
• 46:08
  it
• 46:08
  can.
• 46:08
  She
• 46:09
  said,
• 46:09
  And
• 46:09
  I
• 46:09
  heard
• 46:10
  down
• 46:10
  the
• 46:10
  hall
• 46:11
  some,
• 46:12
  some
• 46:12
  young
• 46:12
  woman
• 46:13
  who
• 46:13
  was
• 46:13
  crying
• 46:13
  out
• 46:14
  for
• 46:14
  her
• 46:14
  daddy,
• 46:15
  you
• 46:15
  know,
• 46:15
  help
• 46:16
  me,
• 46:16
  help
• 46:16
  me,
• 46:17
  she
• 46:17
  said.
• 46:18
  And
• 46:18
  here
• 46:18
  I
• 46:18
  was
• 46:18
  alone.
• 46:19
  And
• 46:19
  it
• 46:19
  was
• 46:20
  enormously
• 46:22
  powerful
• 46:23
  and
• 46:23
  painful.
• 46:24
  And
• 46:25
  then
• 46:25
  I
• 46:25
  was
• 46:27
  catapulted
• 46:28
  out
• 46:28
  of
• 46:28
  being
• 46:29
  my
• 46:29
  ordinary
• 46:30
  21
• 46:30
  year
• 46:31
  old
• 46:31
  self,
• 46:32
  struggling
• 46:32
  with
• 46:32
  the
• 46:33
  pain.
• 46:35
  And
• 46:35
  I
• 46:35
  could
• 46:35
  feel
• 46:36
  myself
• 46:37
  opening,
• 46:38
  dissolving
• 46:39
  into
• 46:39
  a
• 46:39
  stream.
• 46:40
  Of
• 46:42
  all
• 46:43
  the
• 46:43
  women
• 46:44
  in
• 46:44
  human
• 46:45
  history
• 46:46
  going
• 46:46
  back
• 46:46
  millions
• 46:47
  of
• 46:47
  years,
• 46:49
  who
• 46:49
  had
• 46:50
  given
• 46:50
  birth,
• 46:51
  who
• 46:51
  were
• 46:51
  giving
• 46:52
  birth
• 46:52
  to
• 46:52
  life,
• 46:53
  and
• 46:53
  I
• 46:54
  was
• 46:54
  part
• 46:54
  of
• 46:54
  that
• 46:55
  timeless
• 46:56
  stream.
• 46:56
  And
• 46:57
  it
• 46:57
  all
• 46:57
  came
• 46:57
  through
• 46:57
  women's
• 46:58
  bodies,
• 46:58
  by
• 46:59
  the
• 46:59
  way,
• 46:59
  in
• 47:00
  case
• 47:00
  anybody
• 47:00
  happens
• 47:01
  to
• 47:01
  forget,
• 47:02
  you
• 47:02
  know,
• 47:02
  yo
• 47:02
  mama,
• 47:03
  right?
• 47:04
  She
• 47:05
  said,
• 47:05
  you
• 47:05
  walk
• 47:05
  down
• 47:06
  the
• 47:06
  street
• 47:06
  in
• 47:06
  New
• 47:07
  York,
• 47:07
  I
• 47:07
  would.
• 47:07
  Afterward,
• 47:08
  I
• 47:08
  was
• 47:08
  like,
• 47:08
  God,
• 47:09
  all
• 47:09
  these
• 47:09
  people
• 47:09
  came
• 47:10
  out
• 47:10
  of
• 47:10
  a
• 47:10
  woman's
• 47:11
  body.
• 47:11
  Wow.
• 47:12
  Usually
• 47:13
  her
• 47:13
  vagina
• 47:13
  too.
• 47:14
  Hey,
• 47:15
  how
• 47:15
  about
• 47:15
  that?
• 47:16
  She
• 47:16
  said,
• 47:16
  And
• 47:17
  I
• 47:17
  felt
• 47:18
  myself
• 47:18
  part
• 47:19
  of
• 47:19
  some
• 47:19
  huge
• 47:20
  mystery
• 47:21
  that
• 47:21
  was
• 47:21
  giving
• 47:22
  birth
• 47:22
  to
• 47:22
  itself.
• 47:24
  And
• 47:24
  that
• 47:24
  was
• 47:25
  another
• 47:25
  way
• 47:25
  that
• 47:26
  the
• 47:26
  spiritual
• 47:27
  journey
• 47:28
  could
• 47:28
  awaken.
• 47:29
  One
• 47:29
  of
• 47:29
  many
• 47:30
  that
• 47:31
  we
• 47:31
  have
• 47:31
  a
• 47:31
  taste
• 47:32
  of
• 47:32
  Something
• 47:32
  so
• 47:32
  much
• 47:33
  larger
• 47:34
  than
• 47:34
  our
• 47:34
  ordinary
• 47:35
  reality.
• 47:37
  And
• 47:37
  now
• 47:38
  I
• 47:38
  think
• 47:38
  about
• 47:38
  it,
• 47:38
  because
• 47:39
  we're
• 47:39
  talking
• 47:40
  in
• 47:41
  this
• 47:41
  particular
• 47:42
  week,
• 47:42
  although
• 47:42
  this
• 47:43
  podcast
• 47:43
  will
• 47:44
  be
• 47:44
  broadcasted
• 47:45
  another
• 47:46
  time
• 47:46
  later
• 47:46
  and
• 47:47
  so
• 47:47
  forth,
• 47:48
  but
• 47:48
  we're
• 47:48
  talking
• 47:50
  when
• 47:50
  Jane
• 47:51
  Goodall
• 47:51
  just
• 47:52
  died
• 47:52
  at
• 47:52
  91,
• 47:54
  and
• 47:54
  you
• 47:54
  could
• 47:55
  say
• 47:55
  she
• 47:55
  was
• 47:55
  a
• 47:55
  bodhisattva
• 47:56
  for
• 47:57
  interspecies
• 47:59
  respect,
• 48:00
  you
• 48:01
  know,
• 48:01
  she
• 48:01
  learned
• 48:02
  how
• 48:02
  to
• 48:02
  listen.
• 48:03
  That
• 48:03
  was
• 48:04
  beyond.
• 48:04
  She
• 48:04
  had
• 48:05
  that
• 48:05
  beginner's
• 48:06
  mind,
• 48:06
  let
• 48:06
  me
• 48:06
  actually
• 48:07
  learn.
• 48:08
  And
• 48:08
  then
• 48:09
  she
• 48:09
  taught
• 48:09
  generations
• 48:10
  how
• 48:10
  to
• 48:10
  listen
• 48:11
  across
• 48:12
  species.
• 48:14
  And
• 48:14
  my
• 48:14
  dear
• 48:14
  and
• 48:15
  beloved
• 48:15
  friend
• 48:16
  Joanna
• 48:17
  Macy,
• 48:18
  another
• 48:18
  great
• 48:18
  elder,
• 48:19
  died
• 48:20
  just
• 48:20
  recently
• 48:21
  at
• 48:21
  age
• 48:22
  96.
• 48:24
  And
• 48:25
  she
• 48:25
  was
• 48:27
  like
• 48:27
  Jane.
• 48:28
  She
• 48:28
  was
• 48:28
  a
• 48:29
  powerful
• 48:30
  advocate
• 48:31
  for
• 48:32
  the
• 48:32
  well
• 48:32
  being
• 48:33
  of
• 48:33
  all
• 48:33
  species.
• 48:35
  She
• 48:35
  was
• 48:36
  an
• 48:36
  environmentalist
• 48:37
  and
• 48:38
  an
• 48:38
  activist
• 48:39
  and
• 48:40
  also
• 48:40
  a
• 48:40
  systems
• 48:41
  theorist
• 48:41
  and
• 48:41
  a
• 48:42
  fine
• 48:42
  meditation
• 48:43
  teacher
• 48:43
  and
• 48:43
  a
• 48:44
  Buddhist
• 48:45
  in
• 48:45
  all
• 48:45
  these
• 48:45
  ways.
• 48:47
  And
• 48:48
  I
• 48:48
  went
• 48:49
  to
• 48:49
  sit
• 48:49
  with
• 48:49
  her
• 48:49
  body
• 48:51
  after
• 48:51
  she
• 48:52
  died.
• 48:52
  And
• 48:52
  they
• 48:53
  turned
• 48:53
  the
• 48:53
  whole
• 48:53
  house
• 48:53
  into
• 48:54
  a
• 48:54
  kind
• 48:54
  of
• 48:54
  a
• 48:54
  temple.
• 48:56
  It's
• 48:56
  a
• 48:56
  sort
• 48:57
  of
• 48:57
  modest
• 48:57
  house
• 48:58
  in
• 48:58
  the
• 48:58
  flat
• 48:58
  part
• 48:59
  of
• 48:59
  Berkeley.
• 48:59
  And
• 49:00
  people
• 49:00
  were
• 49:01
  gathered
• 49:01
  outside.
• 49:02
  And
• 49:02
  before
• 49:03
  you
• 49:03
  even
• 49:03
  could
• 49:04
  go
• 49:04
  up
• 49:04
  the
• 49:04
  steps,
• 49:05
  which
• 49:05
  had
• 49:05
  a
• 49:05
  candle
• 49:06
  on
• 49:06
  every
• 49:06
  step,
• 49:07
  you
• 49:08
  were
• 49:08
  greeted
• 49:08
  in
• 49:09
  a
• 49:09
  kind
• 49:09
  of
• 49:09
  sacred
• 49:10
  way.
• 49:11
  Welcome
• 49:11
  to,
• 49:12
  you
• 49:12
  know,
• 49:13
  the
• 49:13
  field
• 49:13
  of
• 49:13
  Joanna
• 49:14
  Macy.
• 49:15
  And
• 49:15
  they
• 49:15
  said
• 49:16
  some
• 49:16
  beautiful
• 49:16
  things
• 49:17
  and
• 49:17
  you
• 49:17
  got
• 49:17
  to
• 49:17
  the
• 49:18
  porch
• 49:18
  and
• 49:18
  then
• 49:18
  they
• 49:19
  smudged
• 49:19
  you
• 49:19
  and
• 49:20
  did
• 49:20
  some
• 49:20
  other
• 49:21
  blessings.
• 49:21
  And
• 49:21
  then
• 49:22
  you
• 49:22
  went
• 49:22
  up
• 49:22
  the
• 49:22
  stairs
• 49:23
  all
• 49:23
  lit
• 49:23
  by
• 49:24
  candles.
• 49:24
  And
• 49:25
  there
• 49:25
  was
• 49:25
  a
• 49:25
  guide
• 49:25
  there
• 49:26
  who
• 49:26
  said,
• 49:26
  here's
• 49:26
  the
• 49:27
  meditation
• 49:27
  room,
• 49:27
  here's
• 49:28
  the
• 49:28
  room
• 49:28
  where
• 49:28
  people
• 49:28
  are
• 49:29
  telling
• 49:30
  Joanna
• 49:30
  stories,
• 49:31
  and
• 49:32
  here's
• 49:32
  a
• 49:32
  sacred
• 49:33
  prayer
• 49:33
  for
• 49:33
  her.
• 49:34
  And
• 49:34
  then
• 49:34
  when
• 49:35
  you're
• 49:35
  ready,
• 49:35
  you
• 49:35
  can
• 49:35
  go
• 49:36
  sit
• 49:36
  with
• 49:36
  her
• 49:36
  body.
• 49:37
  So
• 49:37
  I
• 49:38
  went
• 49:38
  in
• 49:38
  the
• 49:38
  bedroom
• 49:38
  after
• 49:39
  I
• 49:40
  did
• 49:40
  all
• 49:40
  of
• 49:40
  those
• 49:41
  things,
• 49:42
  and
• 49:42
  she
• 49:42
  was
• 49:43
  lying
• 49:43
  there
• 49:44
  and
• 49:44
  there
• 49:44
  was
• 49:44
  a
• 49:44
  huge
• 49:45
  bowl
• 49:45
  of
• 49:45
  flower
• 49:45
  petals,
• 49:46
  and
• 49:46
  her
• 49:46
  body
• 49:47
  was
• 49:47
  covered.
• 49:48
  Everyone
• 49:48
  who
• 49:48
  passed
• 49:49
  by
• 49:50
  sprinkled
• 49:50
  flower
• 49:51
  petals.
• 49:51
  And
• 49:51
  there
• 49:51
  were
• 49:52
  a
• 49:52
  few
• 49:52
  of
• 49:52
  us
• 49:52
  in
• 49:52
  the
• 49:52
  room.
• 49:53
  And
• 49:54
  I
• 49:54
  read,
• 49:54
  or
• 49:55
  I
• 49:55
  chanted,
• 49:55
  actually,
• 49:56
  from
• 49:56
  the
• 49:56
  Tibetan
• 49:56
  Book
• 49:57
  of
• 49:57
  the
• 49:57
  Dead.
• 49:57
  Oh,
• 49:58
  nobly
• 49:58
  born,
• 49:58
  remember
• 49:59
  who
• 49:59
  you
• 50:00
  are.
• 50:00
  Go
• 50:01
  into
• 50:01
  the
• 50:01
  pure
• 50:01
  light
• 50:02
  of
• 50:02
  your
• 50:02
  true
• 50:02
  nature,
• 50:04
  said
• 50:04
  Joanna.
• 50:04
  You
• 50:05
  know
• 50:05
  this
• 50:05
  stuff.
• 50:05
  I'm
• 50:05
  just
• 50:06
  reminding
• 50:06
  you,
• 50:07
  you
• 50:07
  know?
• 50:07
  And
• 50:08
  I
• 50:08
  talked
• 50:08
  to
• 50:08
  her
• 50:08
  for
• 50:08
  a
• 50:08
  bit,
• 50:10
  chanted,
• 50:11
  and
• 50:11
  then
• 50:11
  I
• 50:11
  waited.
• 50:13
  She
• 50:13
  looked
• 50:13
  at
• 50:14
  me
• 50:14
  and
• 50:15
  she
• 50:15
  said,
• 50:15
  80.
• 50:15
  That's
• 50:16
  nothing.
• 50:16
  I
• 50:17
  just
• 50:17
  turned
• 50:17
  80.
• 50:18
  She
• 50:18
  said,
• 50:18
  that's
• 50:19
  nothing.
• 50:19
  You
• 50:19
  got
• 50:20
  to
• 50:20
  keep
• 50:20
  going.
• 50:20
  I
• 50:20
  was
• 50:21
  thinking
• 50:21
  of
• 50:21
  like,
• 50:21
  okay,
• 50:22
  I'm
• 50:22
  gonna
• 50:23
  kind
• 50:23
  of
• 50:24
  step
• 50:24
  back
• 50:24
  a
• 50:25
  bunch
• 50:25
  after
• 50:26
  50
• 50:26
  years
• 50:27
  of
• 50:27
  teaching
• 50:28
  or
• 50:28
  more,
• 50:29
  60
• 50:30
  practicing
• 50:30
  and
• 50:30
  teaching,
• 50:31
  said,
• 50:32
  no,
• 50:32
  no,
• 50:32
  no,
• 50:32
  80s,
• 50:33
  nothing.
• 50:33
  Keep
• 50:34
  going.
• 50:34
  And
• 50:34
  it
• 50:34
  was
• 50:34
  like
• 50:35
  this
• 50:35
  big
• 50:35
  jolt
• 50:35
  of,
• 50:36
  okay,
• 50:36
  okay,
• 50:36
  Joanna.
• 50:37
  I
• 50:37
  got
• 50:37
  my
• 50:37
  marching
• 50:38
  orders
• 50:38
  and
• 50:39
  then
• 50:39
  I
• 50:39
  Went
• 50:39
  down
• 50:39
  the
• 50:40
  back
• 50:40
  steps
• 50:41
  into
• 50:42
  the
• 50:42
  yard,
• 50:42
  and
• 50:42
  there
• 50:43
  was
• 50:43
  a
• 50:43
  big
• 50:43
  barbecue.
• 50:44
  People
• 50:44
  were
• 50:45
  cooking
• 50:45
  and
• 50:45
  people
• 50:46
  making
• 50:46
  music
• 50:46
  and
• 50:47
  singing.
• 50:47
  And
• 50:47
  it
• 50:48
  was
• 50:48
  like
• 50:49
  any
• 50:49
  good
• 50:49
  Irish
• 50:50
  Buddhist,
• 50:50
  whatever
• 50:51
  wake
• 50:52
  that
• 50:52
  you
• 50:52
  would
• 50:52
  want.
• 50:53
  There
• 50:53
  was
• 50:53
  a
• 50:53
  bit
• 50:53
  of
• 50:54
  something.
• 50:55
  People
• 50:55
  gathered
• 50:56
  to
• 50:56
  celebrate
• 50:57
  her
• 50:57
  life,
• 50:58
  and
• 50:58
  two
• 50:59
  people
• 50:59
  really
• 50:59
  close
• 51:00
  to
• 51:00
  her
• 51:00
  talked
• 51:00
  to
• 51:01
  me,
• 51:01
  and
• 51:02
  they
• 51:02
  said,
• 51:03
  you
• 51:03
  know,
• 51:03
  Joanna,
• 51:05
  I
• 51:06
  mean,
• 51:06
  she
• 51:06
  went
• 51:07
  to
• 51:07
  Chernobyl
• 51:08
  after
• 51:08
  the
• 51:08
  meltdown
• 51:09
  of
• 51:09
  the
• 51:09
  nuclear
• 51:10
  plant
• 51:10
  to
• 51:10
  work
• 51:11
  with
• 51:11
  all
• 51:11
  the
• 51:11
  people
• 51:12
  who'd
• 51:12
  been
• 51:13
  just
• 51:13
  were
• 51:13
  getting
• 51:14
  pulled
• 51:14
  out
• 51:14
  and
• 51:14
  displaced
• 51:15
  to
• 51:16
  bring
• 51:16
  compassion.
• 51:17
  And
• 51:18
  they
• 51:18
  said,
• 51:18
  what
• 51:18
  are
• 51:18
  you
• 51:18
  doing?
• 51:19
  You
• 51:19
  kind
• 51:20
  of
• 51:20
  white
• 51:20
  American
• 51:21
  woman
• 51:21
  coming
• 51:22
  like,
• 51:22
  you're
• 51:22
  going
• 51:22
  to
• 51:22
  help
• 51:23
  us?
• 51:24
  And
• 51:24
  she
• 51:25
  sat
• 51:25
  with
• 51:25
  him,
• 51:25
  and
• 51:25
  she
• 51:26
  said,
• 51:27
  it's
• 51:27
  not
• 51:27
  that
• 51:28
  we
• 51:28
  need
• 51:28
  you
• 51:28
  to
• 51:29
  help
• 51:29
  us.
• 51:30
  I
• 51:30
  want
• 51:30
  to
• 51:30
  hear
• 51:30
  your
• 51:31
  story
• 51:32
  because
• 51:32
  I
• 51:33
  don't
• 51:33
  want
• 51:33
  what's
• 51:34
  happened
• 51:34
  to
• 51:34
  you
• 51:35
  and
• 51:35
  your
• 51:35
  family
• 51:35
  and
• 51:36
  your
• 51:36
  children
• 51:38
  to
• 51:38
  happen
• 51:38
  to
• 51:38
  other
• 51:39
  people's
• 51:39
  children.
• 51:41
  So
• 51:41
  if
• 51:41
  I
• 51:41
  hear
• 51:42
  your
• 51:42
  story,
• 51:43
  I
• 51:43
  can
• 51:43
  go
• 51:44
  and
• 51:44
  I
• 51:45
  can
• 51:45
  tell
• 51:45
  people
• 51:46
  that
• 51:46
  you
• 51:47
  are
• 51:47
  speaking
• 51:47
  to
• 51:47
  their
• 51:48
  families
• 51:48
  and
• 51:48
  their
• 51:49
  children
• 51:50
  not
• 51:50
  to
• 51:50
  let
• 51:50
  this
• 51:50
  happen.
• 51:52
  So
• 51:52
  she
• 51:52
  was
• 51:52
  this
• 51:52
  bodhisattva.
• 51:54
  Yeah,
• 51:54
  Jack.
• 51:54
  I
• 51:54
  hadn't
• 51:55
  heard
• 51:55
  that
• 51:55
  she
• 51:55
  had
• 51:55
  passed,
• 51:56
  and.
• 51:56
  And
• 51:56
  I
• 51:56
  got
• 51:56
  to
• 51:57
  know
• 51:57
  her,
• 51:57
  and
• 51:57
  she
• 51:58
  was
• 51:58
  a
• 51:58
  big
• 51:59
  influence
• 51:59
  on
• 51:59
  me.
• 51:59
  She
• 52:00
  was
• 52:00
  a
• 52:00
  real
• 52:00
  role
• 52:00
  model
• 52:01
  when
• 52:01
  I
• 52:02
  was
• 52:02
  searching
• 52:02
  for
• 52:02
  that
• 52:02
  at
• 52:03
  that
• 52:03
  time
• 52:03
  in
• 52:03
  my
• 52:03
  life.
• 52:03
  And
• 52:04
  very,
• 52:05
  very
• 52:05
  good
• 52:05
  woman,
• 52:05
  very
• 52:06
  precious
• 52:06
  soul.
• 52:07
  She's
• 52:07
  quite
• 52:08
  remarkable.
• 52:09
  So
• 52:09
  they
• 52:09
  said
• 52:10
  to
• 52:11
  me,
• 52:11
  you
• 52:11
  know,
• 52:11
  Joanna
• 52:12
  loved
• 52:12
  everything.
• 52:14
  You
• 52:14
  know,
• 52:15
  she
• 52:15
  loved
• 52:15
  the
• 52:16
  natural
• 52:16
  world,
• 52:16
  and
• 52:16
  she
• 52:17
  would
• 52:17
  lead
• 52:17
  expeditions
• 52:18
  to
• 52:19
  places
• 52:19
  to
• 52:20
  help
• 52:20
  speak
• 52:21
  to
• 52:21
  and
• 52:22
  with
• 52:22
  the
• 52:22
  species
• 52:23
  that
• 52:23
  were
• 52:23
  there
• 52:23
  and
• 52:24
  her
• 52:24
  counsel
• 52:24
  for
• 52:25
  all
• 52:25
  beings.
• 52:26
  She
• 52:26
  loved
• 52:26
  food.
• 52:27
  We'd
• 52:28
  go
• 52:28
  out
• 52:28
  to
• 52:28
  great
• 52:29
  restaurants.
• 52:29
  She
• 52:29
  loved
• 52:30
  cooking.
• 52:30
  She
• 52:30
  loved
• 52:31
  to
• 52:31
  make,
• 52:31
  you
• 52:31
  know,
• 52:32
  nourishing
• 52:32
  things.
• 52:33
  She
• 52:33
  loved
• 52:34
  sex.
• 52:34
  That
• 52:34
  was
• 52:35
  a
• 52:35
  big
• 52:35
  thing
• 52:35
  for
• 52:35
  her.
• 52:36
  She
• 52:36
  loved
• 52:37
  music.
• 52:38
  She
• 52:38
  loved,
• 52:39
  you
• 52:39
  know,
• 52:40
  community
• 52:41
  and
• 52:41
  on.
• 52:42
  So
• 52:42
  the
• 52:42
  next
• 52:43
  day,
• 52:43
  I
• 52:43
  was
• 52:43
  at
• 52:45
  Whole
• 52:46
  Foods
• 52:47
  doing
• 52:48
  my
• 52:48
  shopping,
• 52:50
  and
• 52:50
  there
• 52:50
  was
• 52:50
  this
• 52:50
  big
• 52:51
  chocolate
• 52:51
  thing.
• 52:51
  And
• 52:51
  I
• 52:52
  thought,
• 52:52
  God,
• 52:52
  I'd
• 52:53
  like
• 52:53
  to
• 52:53
  get
• 52:53
  that,
• 52:53
  but
• 52:54
  it's
• 52:54
  not
• 52:54
  good
• 52:54
  for
• 52:54
  my
• 52:55
  diet.
• 52:56
  And
• 52:56
  then
• 52:56
  I
• 52:56
  heard
• 52:57
  Joanna
• 52:57
  say,
• 52:57
  80,
• 52:58
  buy
• 52:58
  the
• 52:59
  damn
• 52:59
  chocolate.
• 53:00
  You
• 53:00
  know,
• 53:01
  get
• 53:01
  it
• 53:01
  and
• 53:02
  enjoy
• 53:02
  it.
• 53:02
  Right?
• 53:03
  Just
• 53:03
  go
• 53:03
  for
• 53:03
  it.
• 53:04
  And
• 53:04
  then
• 53:04
  a
• 53:05
  day
• 53:05
  or
• 53:05
  two
• 53:05
  later,
• 53:06
  I
• 53:06
  got
• 53:06
  asked,
• 53:07
  would
• 53:07
  I
• 53:07
  be
• 53:07
  on
• 53:08
  somebody's
• 53:10
  damn
• 53:10
  podcast
• 53:11
  or
• 53:12
  do
• 53:12
  some
• 53:12
  little
• 53:13
  retreat
• 53:13
  or
• 53:14
  something?
• 53:14
  And
• 53:14
  I
• 53:14
  thought,
• 53:14
  God,
• 53:15
  that's
• 53:15
  a
• 53:16
  kind
• 53:16
  of
• 53:16
  time.
• 53:16
  I
• 53:17
  was
• 53:17
  going
• 53:17
  to
• 53:17
  just
• 53:17
  kick
• 53:18
  back
• 53:18
  a
• 53:18
  little.
• 53:18
  Joanna
• 53:19
  says,
• 53:19
  do
• 53:19
  it.
• 53:20
  Get
• 53:20
  out
• 53:20
  there.
• 53:21
  Keep
• 53:21
  going.
• 53:22
  And
• 53:22
  now
• 53:22
  I
• 53:22
  have
• 53:22
  Joanna
• 53:23
  as
• 53:23
  sort
• 53:23
  of
• 53:23
  my
• 53:24
  muse.
• 53:25
  And
• 53:25
  it's
• 53:26
  great
• 53:26
  because
• 53:26
  it's
• 53:27
  like
• 53:27
  a
• 53:27
  living
• 53:27
  bodhisattva
• 53:29
  in
• 53:29
  Joanna's
• 53:30
  voice.
• 53:31
  So,
• 53:31
  yes,
• 53:32
  we
• 53:32
  can
• 53:32
  be
• 53:33
  lost
• 53:35
  in
• 53:35
  some
• 53:35
  way
• 53:35
  and
• 53:35
  forget.
• 53:37
  But
• 53:37
  there
• 53:38
  are
• 53:38
  so
• 53:38
  many
• 53:38
  things
• 53:39
  that
• 53:39
  also
• 53:40
  can
• 53:40
  remind
• 53:41
  us.
• 53:42
  Stay
• 53:42
  tuned
• 53:43
  for
• 53:43
  part
• 53:43
  two
• 53:43
  of
• 53:44
  this
• 53:44
  extraordinary
• 53:44
  conversation
• 53:45
  with
• 53:45
  Buddhist
• 53:46
  teacher
• 53:46
  Jack
• 53:47
  Kornfield.
• 53:48
  Thank
• 53:48
  you
• 53:48
  very
• 53:48
  much
• 53:49
  for
• 53:49
  being
• 53:49
  a
• 53:49
  part
• 53:50
  of
• 53:50
  this
• 53:50
  conversation.
• 53:51
  We
• 53:51
  hope
• 53:51
  that
• 53:51
  you
• 53:52
  were
• 53:52
  moved,
• 53:52
  as
• 53:53
  we
• 53:53
  are
• 53:53
  moved
• 53:53
  being
• 53:54
  part
• 53:54
  of
• 53:54
  it
• 53:54
  ourselves.
• 53:55
  We'd
• 53:55
  also
• 53:56
  like
• 53:56
  to
• 53:56
  say
• 53:56
  that
• 53:56
  this
• 53:57
  is
• 53:57
  being
• 53:57
  funded
• 53:58
  by
• 53:58
  Roger
• 53:58
  and
• 53:59
  myself.
• 53:59
  It
• 53:59
  comes
• 53:59
  out
• 53:59
  of
• 54:00
  our
• 54:00
  pockets.
• 54:00
  So
• 54:00
  if
• 54:00
  you
• 54:00
  would
• 54:01
  like
• 54:01
  to
• 54:01
  help
• 54:01
  us
• 54:02
  to
• 54:02
  mainly
• 54:03
  to
• 54:03
  get
• 54:03
  this
• 54:03
  podcast
• 54:04
  out
• 54:04
  to
• 54:04
  more
• 54:04
  people
• 54:05
  because
• 54:05
  the
• 54:05
  bigger
• 54:06
  audience
• 54:06
  have
• 54:06
  which
• 54:06
  is
• 54:06
  steadily
• 54:07
  growing,
• 54:07
  but
• 54:07
  the
• 54:08
  more
• 54:08
  people
• 54:08
  we
• 54:08
  can
• 54:08
  reach
• 54:09
  and
• 54:09
  the
• 54:09
  more
• 54:09
  marketing
• 54:09
  we
• 54:10
  can
• 54:10
  do,
• 54:10
  the
• 54:10
  more
• 54:11
  positive
• 54:11
  effect
• 54:11
  we
• 54:12
  can
• 54:12
  have
• 54:12
  on
• 54:12
  the
• 54:12
  world.
• 54:13
  So
• 54:13
  we've
• 54:13
  done
• 54:13
  that
• 54:13
  a
• 54:14
  couple
• 54:14
  of
• 54:14
  ways.
• 54:14
  But
• 54:14
  we'd
• 54:14
  like
• 54:15
  you
• 54:15
  to
• 54:15
  buy
• 54:15
  us
• 54:15
  a
• 54:16
  cup
• 54:16
  of
• 54:16
  coffee.
• 54:16
  Very
• 54:17
  simple.
• 54:17
  And
• 54:17
  I
• 54:17
  do
• 54:17
  that
• 54:18
  with
• 54:18
  podcasts
• 54:19
  that
• 54:19
  I
• 54:19
  support
• 54:20
  and
• 54:20
  I
• 54:20
  find
• 54:21
  it's
• 54:21
  very
• 54:21
  satisfying.
• 54:22
  So
• 54:22
  thank
• 54:22
  you
• 54:23
  for
• 54:23
  your
• 54:23
  help,
• 54:23
  thank
• 54:24
  you
• 54:24
  for
• 54:24
  your
• 54:24
  presence
• 54:24
  and
• 54:25
  thank
• 54:25
  you
• 54:25
  for
• 54:25
  all
• 54:26
  you
• 54:26
  are
• 54:26
  and
• 54:26
  all
• 54:26
  you
• 54:27
  do.
• 54:27
  We
• 54:27
  love
• 54:27
  you.