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Dave Sinykin talks Packers & Aaron Rodgers, NFL Futures, Matt Postins on the Big 12 & Trent's Picks presented by Circa Sports · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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Hour number two, Miller and Condon, welcome back.
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Trent Condon, Ken Miller with you until just before the top of
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the hour. The drive coming up at that
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time, Heather Lucas, take you until 5:00 still to come on our
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program, Matt Postons covers the Big 12 for Heartland College
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Sports. We'll talk to Matt Postons in
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about 20 minutes or thereabouts. Tom, talk to Dave
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sinicanzonecoverage.com. Year 30 KFAN up in the Twin
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Cities where he host Packer preview Saturday morning show as
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well. Dave Trenton, Ken, thank you for
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coming on. I want to cover a couple of
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topics with you. But obviously the news this
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morning, Jair Alexander officially being released by the
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Packers, former first round pick guy that had a all world
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ability. I thought, I thought he was
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going to be a * and he very well may end up being at that, but
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it's just injuries. Is this 100% cap related in your
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mind Dave? Hey, guys, no, I wouldn't say
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100% at all cap related. I think, you know, three years
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ago they made him the highest paid cornerback in football.
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I mean, he had earned that salary on the field.
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But yeah, I mean, after that happened, he's played what,
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seven games each the last two seasons.
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So yes, injuries weighs in. But I think, you know, the the
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incident in Carolina where he decided to make himself captain,
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you know, and then he got suspended by the team.
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And I don't think the relationship was ever exactly
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great after that. A lot of reading between the
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lines late last season as he was practicing with the team
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basically every week from Thanksgiving on.
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And I think the team really expected him to be ready to
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play. And he never cleared himself and
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said he could get back on the field.
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So I think they were just issues with commitment and loyalty and
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just it was a relationship that had soured.
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The injury certainly played a big factor.
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And when you sign a giant contract a few years later, now
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you're on the hook for 1820 million a year, year.
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And it's not, you know, guaranteed.
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And they could make that decision and decide to move on.
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They're not a better team without Jair.
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But ultimately, the locker room might end up being stronger as
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the season plays out. Last two years, 10 and four when
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he's in the lineup, 10 and 10 with him out there.
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But you got to dig a lot deeper than just that to find kind of
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everything going in there. So where they turn, I know they
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Hobbs for your $48 million deal and free agency.
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Look at the cornerback spot and what they've done to that room.
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What do you expect to see and you mentioned, I mean there's
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going to be a drop off there, but how concerning is it from a
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Packer perspective? I've been, I've been pretty
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vocal about this that ever since they drafted Eric Stokes in the
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first round in 2021, they haven't drafted a corner before
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the 7th round since in four subsequent drafts with, you
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know, where they're drafting first, second round, there have
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been some legit big time cornerback prospects available
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and they've ignored the position.
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And and you know, they feel that Keyshawn Nixon and Nate Hobbs
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are going to be really good in a cover heavy offense that Jeff
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Apley plays, which really did not suit Jair, who wanted to
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just match up man to man on the other team's best receiver,
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which that's the kind of player he was.
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But he didn't flourish in this system where they think former
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nickel guys like Hobbs and Nixon can do just as well on the
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outside. They feel good about those two
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guys and they have Carrington Valentine.
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But yeah, there's a whole lot of question marks.
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Just today it was announced that wide receiver Bo Melton is being
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well looked at as a quarterback now like his brother Matt.
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You know, and they've got a lot of late day three picks on the
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back end of that roster. But I'd be really surprised if
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they don't look outside their organization, whether it's a
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Jalen Ramsey trade or a Sante Samuel move or or even a date
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maybe we haven't heard about where a team decides that their
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depth is pretty good there. I just have to think the
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organization looks to add one more body from outside the
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organization because the defense looks pretty solid.
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It was a top 10 unit. They were fine without you, but
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just knowing he might come back made you believe that defence
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could be stronger. I I would add another body if I
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could. Interesting.
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We'll see where it goes. Broncos got a glut of them.
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They used the first round pick on Jihadi Baron, they didn't
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need him. Maybe that means Riley Moss, a
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former Hawkeye and a kid from Ankeny, is made available.
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So we'll we'll see where it goes.
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So what NFC North team does Alexander end up on?
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Yeah, it's interesting. The temperature up here in the
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Twin Cities is rather cool on Jair.
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That's another player that they love to antagonize because of
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his bravado when it came to whether it was Diggs or
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Jefferson. So I don't.
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I mean, they'd certainly welcome him with open arms.
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There's a need in Minnesota. I hear Baltimore and Buffalo.
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Buffalo was a team that reportedly was down the line
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talking trade with Green Bay, but Alexander was not willing to
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do a new deal in a trade, so that never happened.
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So I just assumed him had to the AFC.
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But yeah, living up here as long as I have with all the Packers
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that have ended up in Minnesota, I would not be surprised at all
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if he ended up in purple. One thing that I was reading and
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and a little bit surprised is, and maybe it's just trying to
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paint a positive picture in the offseason here for the Packers.
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But one of the reasons that they don't believe that there's going
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to be a big step in that defensive backfield is not the
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quarterback spot. But what they've done at the
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safety spot, how much they've improved at those spots, coupled
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up with the emergence at the nickel spot was Xavier McKinney
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that they feel pretty good. Yeah, maybe we're not going to
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be good as good at cornerback, but our safeties are so much
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more improved that there shouldn't be much of A drop off.
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Do you subscribe to that theory? 100% Xavier McKinney was an all
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pro addition to the safety spot, became the leader of that
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defense and then they really hit on 4th round pick Evan Williams
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who really supplanted Javon Bullard.
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It was the second round pick that you figure would start
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right away next to McKinney and Bullard was good, got hurt a
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little bit, but they couldn't take Evan Williams off the field
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so they really hit on that rookie.
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Bullard now becomes that nickel corner slash third safety and
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they do like to run a lot of three safety looks under Jeff
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Haffley. So yes, they are very strong at
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that position. What a change from two years
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ago. They probably had the worst
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safety room in the league and now they're, I think they're the
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envy of many or if not most. So yes, I think the way Haffley
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likes to run his defense, he feels good about 5 or 6 guys in
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that defensive backfield column, corners, column, safeties.
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I think he likes the group. I think Packer fans would like
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to see one more legit quarterback added to the mix.
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But a strong safety group does lessen some of the concerns.
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As you've shared with the audience over the years, you do
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live in the Twin Cities. So I want to ask you about a
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former quarterback that you, you know, rooted for covered,
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etcetera, spoke about and that's Aaron Rodgers.
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Do you is there a correlation to the Vikings had their their
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mandatory mini camp? They've they've watched Jim
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McCarthy, they saw Jefferson come in, they work together.
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Do you think Minnesota was waiting until the last minute
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before all right, we can go forward with the rookie.
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We don't need Aaron Rodgers. Was Rodgers waiting for the how
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would play played out with the Vikings after they got a look at
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McCarthy that this year do you think?
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Yeah, I do think so. I think he looked at the spot up
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here in Minnesota as his best potential opportunity to win a
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Super Bowl with what's around him in this organization, the
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talent the Vikings have and maybe the competition in the NFC
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versus the gauntlet of quarterbacks you got to go
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through in the AFC right now. So yeah, I think in his mind
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that nobody can get inside Aaron Rodgers mind, but I have to
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believe that he thought if if the Vikings were soured all in
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McCarthy and decided to wait one more year with him, this was his
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best shot of the Super Bowl. Because I do think Rogers truly
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is only playing to try to win a Super Bowl.
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Pittsburgh seemed like the most logical landing spot to me over
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the last four months. Just as a team that desperately
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needed a quarterback and it was a playoff team the year before
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and have a coach that could deal with them.
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I don't look at Pittsburgh as a legit Super Bowl contender, but
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I would not be surprised if Rogers has a successful year
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with that team this year. So your crystal ball says the
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successful year go the other way.
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A guy in his 40s that has been known as a bit of a locker room
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issue there. If it goes the other way, could
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you see Aaron Rodger just say in early October?
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Hell with this, I'm out of here? Yeah, it's certainly possible.
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And Trent, they had a gauntlet of the schedule in Pittsburgh.
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It's the third toughest in the AFCI.
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Didn't look at how the first six play out.
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Certainly the NFL would like him to at least wait through Week 8
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when they face the Packers on Sunday Night Football in
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Pittsburgh, which should be rather ratings every night.
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So yeah, I mean that that's a possibility, but I would be
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surprised. I still think the arm is there.
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He's a year removed from the Achilles.
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Arthur Smith's a long time offensive coordinator who knows
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how to get the best out of guys. They're offensive lines of
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question. He does have a legit number one
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guy. And if Caleb Johnson could
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ignite that running back room, I think that make things a lot
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easier because they like to play play action under Arthur Smith.
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And if you don't have a running game, that's hard to do.
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So I don't know. I I find it interesting.
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As I said, successful. I think they get into the
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playoffs. Beyond that, it might be too
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tough to expect Super Bowl from Pittsburgh, in my opinion.
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Dave, sinicanzonecoverage.com and KFAN up in the Twin Cities.
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Dave, thanks for jumping on for a few minutes.
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Appreciate it. We'll talk to you down the road,
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bud. Thank you.
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Yep, anytime guys. Good to hear from you.
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Dave Sinican is we check in on Green Bay.
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Where do you check in on Green Bay as far as the division goes?
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Oh, third, I had a second or third.
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So you still you still give me a decent.
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Chance. Yeah, Yeah, I think.
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There's Lions won to you still, despite the defections.
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It's going to not be nearly as good of a division this year.
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Fairpoint, I mean, last year was elite.
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I mean that was unbelievable. Rag.
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Now the Centre retiring when he did, that's a blow to the Lions.
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Can the Bears win it? The division?
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You don't think so there a year? Well, if you weren't a Bears
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fan. Want to be a different
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conversation? Right.
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I, I think it's, I think there's.
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It's up for grabs. I still like Detroit.
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I don't like them as much as I did last year.
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They're not a Super Bowl contended.
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I don't think so either. I loved them last year and I
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thought that this that was their year.
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They're a talented team. Without a doubt, without a
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doubt. But the changes in staff.
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Both coordinators huge. A year older with golf, yeah.
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Everything kind of was breaking their way until it didn't.
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And they had a ton of injuries last year.
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More teams. I don't there couldn't have been
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a team who had more starters knocked out, a legitimate Super
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Bowl team. That and their year wasn't
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derailed. I mean they were swinging right
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till the end. So Lions are going to be worse,
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the Vikings are going to be worse.
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Because of the uncertainty at quarterback.
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Well, that's a part, and that's Minnesota.
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Right, but they fix the offensive line, they think.
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They'll have JJ McCarthy, that same turtle defense could be
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better, but we saw it. It's just two years ago after
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year number one, OK, OC everything what they won all
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these close games. Look, he's a great coach, but
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he's not some kind of guy that has figured out the only he's
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the first coach ever to figure out always how to win close
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games. It's not how it goes.
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It evens out and evened out in year 2.
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They took a step back Year 3 and we got those breaks again.
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Year 4 step back. That's the way the NFL goes.
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Their their win. Total is what, 8 1/2?
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Only? It's not very high when you
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know, in considering what it was, how many games they won
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last year. I'm not sold Packers.
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They'll be fine. They got a solid quarterback.
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It's organizationally they'll just be solid, which nine and
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eight solid could be enough to get a wild card.
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Did have you spent any time trying to figure out, I mean,
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is, is there a team that you've got your eye on?
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There was one in the NFC, not in the division.
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Are they picked to win their division?
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They are not. This is interesting.
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Not and I don't think they're a Super Bowl contender.
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You don't, no. You just think they're going to
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beat their win, go over their total.
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I was looking more at division odds.
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Division odds that were. Intriguing.
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So you think they can win their division, but they can't win at
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all? Yes.
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So would that be a team from the South?
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Is it Atlanta? It is Atlanta I.
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Don't think they can win it all either.
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No, I like panics I think. I do too.
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There was enough in that glimpse that we got from him a year ago.
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You should be an upgrade over old Kirk Cousins that we saw
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last year. Bijan Robinson's a terrific
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running back. What about Kyle Pitts?
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I can't. I I was so wrong on him.
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I thought this guy's going to be a, you know, go ahead and fit
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him for the gold jacket. But that's what happens at that
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position. I know, I know.
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You don't draft a tight end. Not that high.
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No, it does it more times than not.
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It doesn't work now. He's still only 24.
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No, I know, but he hasn't shown anything.
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Trent. I mean nothing.
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This is what, year four or three?
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37 touchdowns? No, this will be year. 410
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touchdowns in his career, 200 catches, about 900 yards a year.
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It's not awful. Yeah, but it should have been
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better. When you pick that high, you
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should be. Better.
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So you so you think Atlanta, what's their total?
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Don't know their total. I just saw Tampa's the pretty
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prohibitive favorite. Now to win the.
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Love them to you. I don't either.
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I like Baker. I like him a lot more than I
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thought I would. This is the great a great spot
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for him. He's got his team, but.
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I think Todd Bull's on a hot seat, perhaps.
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Yeah, definitely could be futures division winner, and I'm
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bringing it up here. AFCNFCS.
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There it is. This is from DraftKings.
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The Buccaneers are even odds in that topsy turvy division.
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Never. Too short.
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The long shots, The Saints, who might be the worst team?
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They could be. They're going to draft Arch
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Manning. We will finish last and get Arch
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Manning. So that leaves two options, the
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Falcons and plus 240 or the Panthers a four to one.
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Now that's in common, look at you.
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Team to me. OK.
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All right. Continues to go forward.
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We both like McMillan out of Arizona.
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Thielen's still there. Xavier Legette, South Carolina.
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I like him a lot. You know who I keep waiting for
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to have a breakout year for them?
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JC Horn, who I thought might be better than Sir Tan when they
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drafted him. Really.
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I love JC Horn, and he's been he's been hurt all the time.
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Josie Jewel is still there, hanging out, still making a
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living in the NFL starting. That's good for him.
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Yeah, I think Atlanta's the team, but not at that price.
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What about Arizona? I keep coming back to the
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Cardinals. What is it about?
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I don't. Know I I just, I don't know.
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All right, Cardinals depth chart.
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Let's let's see if I can. I bet Gannon Coach of the year.
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Now, I don't hate that because you know my theory.
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An NFL Coach of the year. It's never going to be an Andy
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Reid, It's not going to be Kevin O'Connell, it's not going to be
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guys that great records last year.
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Bill checks from right never won it.
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Is that right? Yeah, I believe you're right.
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He. Never won so that yes, Andy
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Reid, cross off, cross off those kind of people, yeah.
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You know, Shanahan, the 49ers bounce back, He's not going to
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win coach of the year. No, he's just not no and it
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makes that award I think a lot more fun to bet in because you
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can get some good prices and I. Think I got him 20 something to
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1. Kyler matured last year.
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Did he mature last year or did I want him to mature last?
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Year. Maybe that's it.
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Marvin Harrison's the dude for me.
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You start there. So Kyler, looking at his numbers
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from last year, now 27 years old, a season ago,
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interception's about the same, 21 touchdowns, 11 picks running
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around. I mean, none of the numbers
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actually changed that much from him.
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So if I'm betting Gannon to be coach of the year, should I
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sprinkle in Marvin Harrison to be Offensive Player of the Year?
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Oh, he's not going to put up those kind of nights.
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I don't know. I mean, coming out of college,
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he was the next thing I. Don't know if he's fast enough.
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What kind of numbers we looking at here?
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Like you'd have to have to be a wide receiver to win that award.
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What did Cooper Cup have when he did it?
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It was like 150 catches it. Was a crazy number, but you'd.
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Think that Barbara Harris is going to catch 125 balls?
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Is that what cup cut did he break a hundo?
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It was like 140. In a single year, yeah, that
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Cooper Cup. Did Cooper cut?
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No, he didn't catch that many. Cooper Cup career statistics go
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back. Yeah, go back to it.
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He caught in his MVP season of 2021 a 145 patches for 1947
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yards and 16 touchdowns. At minimum if Marvin Harrison is
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going to win this award. No, he's not a. 120 catches you.
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Talked me out of. It thank you. 1600 yards,
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probably 12 touch and I don't think that's going to be enough.
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Don't do that. No, I'm not doing that.
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Don't do that. I'm going to find a protector of
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the year. Protector.
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Hammer, the Protector of the year the new market in in sports
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betting. Paris Johnson is their left
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tackle in Arizona. Now you're on.
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Here we go. Paris Johnson, You're going to
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reacquaint yourself with offensive lineman if you're
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betting this one. I'm betting Quinn Miners.
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Quinn Miner OK, My Bronco. Yeah, yeah.
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Not bad theory, no? I mean, he was, he got snubbed
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last year for All Pro. No, he made All Pro and didn't
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make the Pro Bowl. That's what it was.
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We'll take your time out. We're going to come back to talk
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to our buddy Matt Postons from Heartland College Sports as we
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continue on here on a Tuesday, Miller and Condon on the Iowa
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Sports Radio Network. Hi, Miller and Condon, welcome
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back. Coming up on 1:30 on a Tuesday,
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top of the hour, turn things over to the DRIVE.
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Heather and Lucas take you until 5:00 overtime Iowa at that
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point, from 5:00 until 6:00. All right, working on Matt
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Postons from Heartland College Sports.
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So just so I'm clear, we had Brent Bloomer earlier on the
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program. We talked about Texas Tech
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rushing to get all of these this money spent ahead of the July
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1st deadline, but these athletes are grandfathered in, right?
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Right. It's the next time, it's next.
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They can no longer break these thresholds.
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So if you're an athlete, you wanted to get to, you wanted to
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get your money, you want to get your bank prior to the deadline.
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And since they did, there's nothing that can be done about
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Texas Tech paying 55,000,000 going forward right here in the
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year. And now going forward, yes,
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everybody has to play by the same.
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Starting July 1st. Starting July 1st.
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Yes, that's the $20.5 million. Now my question still remains.
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How does it get divvied up? No, 'cause I think I mean it's
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going to football, basketball for.
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Right. Sure, momentarily by the.
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Way yes. My question is how this looks,
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how this is going to eventually go as it pertains to the NIL
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component. All right, we saw yesterday
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there's now a separate entity Brent Bloom was talking about
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that. Well, it's we will, but it's we
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will go into the athletic department if.
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Once I was flight something, yes.
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Let's get Matt postings on here. Well, you know what?
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We'll we'll do that from Heartland College Sports.
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Just want to see what pick his brain a little bit on how he
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thinks they're going to handle it.
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So we'll get Matt on here. We will do that.
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Trent's plays of the day, by the way, still to come, Matt, I
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didn't want to keep you on hold when when Trent and I were
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having this conversation. So it's flight, flight, not
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flight, line flight, whatever, flight, whatever.
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OK. But it's just all right, So I
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know people are not comfortable giving to a collective.
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So this is going to the F. That goes right into the
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athletic department, yeah. But I believe that that just
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goes into that 20.5 million. Well, so it's not, it's not
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above and beyond, right? This just makes it easier for
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the athletic department. Maybe they're on, they get.
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They don't have to stick to the team.
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They have to, yes. Gotcha.
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Matt Poston's Heartland College Sports joins us.
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Matt, does this make your head hurt like it does mine?
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Yeah, because I don't think that everyone has a clear
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understanding of it as well. I mean, you know, like yesterday
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Texas Tech released info that they're folding their their
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matador club collected into the athletic department, which a lot
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of power conference schools are doing now, because the house
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settlement allows them to do that.
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There's also an report, I think Brandon Marcelo, one of the guys
20:59
at CBS, said that, you know, Tech's giving 55 million to
21:02
their football team this year. I think a lot of that's getting
21:05
paid out before July 1, which that stuff doesn't get included
21:09
in the settlement and then the rest comes after that.
21:12
I, I have always been of the belief that, yeah, there's going
21:16
to be revenue to be shared in that 20.5 million.
21:18
But I, I, I don't think NIL is going to be counted in that as
21:22
much as people think it's going to be.
21:24
Because if, if you're telling me at the Matador Club that my NIL
21:30
is going to go toward your Rev share and, and the cap is 20.5
21:34
million, then I'm like, well, then I'm going to start giving
21:37
money the kids down under the table again like they were five
21:40
years ago. So I, I, I don't think that I
21:43
think we have a new set of problems.
21:45
I think it's great that athletes are going to get the opportunity
21:47
to share in revenue. We can get paid on a consistent
21:50
basis that I think we we have treated one set of problems for
21:54
another set of problems. And until these guys decide,
21:57
hey, you know, you can get your Rev share, you can get an IL,
22:01
you know, we're going to continue to have these issues.
22:04
You went into something that we've been talking a lot today
22:08
about the enforcement, the NCAA, the new arm.
22:12
Do you believe that there's going to be teeth behind it?
22:14
I mean, there has to be in order for this to work.
22:16
But is it believe it when you see it or that this is going to
22:19
be real, that if you break a rule, if you are paying people
22:22
under the table, you're going to have to pay where you as it kind
22:25
of gets to that point? Well, first of all, NCAA is not
22:29
involved. So you can talk, you can put
22:32
them in the bucket over there and and they're just going to
22:34
sit there and Charlie Baker's going to have this popcorn and
22:36
see if the power floor commissioners can can actually
22:38
do this. That's going to be the hard
22:41
part. You know, you part of the reason
22:43
that there is revenue sharing and that they're supposed to be
22:46
a hard cap is because you want things to be fair for everybody.
22:49
Everybody has to be held to the same standard and hold
22:52
themselves to the same standard. If everybody's willing to do
22:56
that, then yeah, this will work. But I'm interested to see what
23:01
the enforcement end is going to look like.
23:03
Because at the end of the day, the four power conference
23:05
commissioners, so the four power conferences are going to be the
23:08
ones in this college sports Commission that are going to
23:10
enforce all this. And the first significant case
23:13
that comes forward, maybe the first kid that doesn't get their
23:15
NIL deal approved through Deloitte or, you know, the first
23:19
major violation that gets reported, how are they going to
23:21
handle it? That's going to be the test case
23:23
as to whether A, they're willing to punish one another and B,
23:27
perhaps more importantly, you know, be willing to investigate
23:30
each other, even if it's say like, you know, the Big 12 got
23:33
an investigative arm and they have to investigate one of their
23:36
schools on this. How hard are they going to
23:38
approach it? I would almost think of it like
23:40
if you're, if you're a Big 12 school and you do something
23:44
wrong and other, another enforcement arm for another
23:46
conference should be the one to the to investigate and force or
23:50
somebody independent. And I don't think any of that's
23:52
been worked out yet, but that's going to be a really interesting
23:54
thing to watch because the NCAA has been a complete failure at
23:58
it for 20 years. I'm not certain that the the
24:01
conferences that are going to be involved in this are going to be
24:03
any better at it. And I'm, I'm curious to see,
24:06
because what we've seen now and now that everybody can pay,
24:09
we've seen the SEC dominance in football kind of go away, right?
24:13
I mean, they're not winning like they won in the past.
24:16
If all of a sudden the SEC goes back to that where they're
24:19
winning national one national championship after another, do
24:23
we in our heart of hearts know that they're cheating?
24:28
Fair question. I mean, there's certainly more
24:31
balance now. I would say that I think there's
24:33
more balance and talent because money can help equalize things
24:38
in that regard. But you've got a point about,
24:42
you know, if we go back to a balanced system and everyone is
24:48
spending the same amount of money and the SEC goes back to
24:50
being, you know, dominant again, yeah, I think we could, you
24:55
could certainly see some folks accusing other schools of paying
24:59
under the table. But I I think we're always going
25:01
to have money under the table. The one, the one nice thing
25:04
about the last four years has been all the money's been out
25:06
there. You know, that's the one good
25:08
thing about it. The bad thing about this new
25:11
process is that they don't do it right.
25:13
You know, then you're going to go back to having money being
25:16
paid at the table and then we're right back to where we started
25:20
5-6 years ago. So it's going to be, it's going
25:23
to be really interesting to watch.
25:24
The house settlement clearly is a framework for all of this.
25:29
Now it is up to everybody involved to enforce it and try
25:32
and get it right. With that, the Big 12 as a whole
25:37
in a better place going forward than they have been the last
25:40
couple of years. Or is this going to be a
25:42
demerit? Is this something that is not
25:44
going to be working out as well for the Big 12 individuals?
25:46
Yes, Texas. Texas in good shape.
25:48
I'm betting them both football and basketball.
25:50
But in general, the conference as a whole in a better spot now
25:53
with these new enforcements. I think they're probably in a
25:58
neutral spot right now. It's so hard to know because
26:01
like we just talked about the enforcement, you don't know how
26:03
hard these guys are going to enforce it.
26:05
I think most of the schools are going to share at that 20
26:08
million level, UCF and Houston. I think you're going to lag a
26:11
little bit the first year, but they'll catch up with everyone
26:13
eventually. I think the schools that have
26:16
taken the time to really build up their NIL arm, like Texas
26:20
Tech, like Iowa State, like a few other schools out there in
26:23
the conference, are going to have a leg up because they're
26:25
going to be able to handle the NIL deals in house and make sure
26:29
those get distributed properly. You know, I think the money is
26:33
supposed to be the same across the board.
26:35
So if the money is the same across the board for everybody,
26:38
it's probably a little bit of a boost to the Big 12.
26:40
But if we get into the point where, you know, we do see $40
26:43
million football budgets because you're combining the Rev share
26:46
with the NIL, which I think is where we're going to end up, it
26:49
would be just completely honest. And I think that's where we
26:51
should end up. To me NIL has always been the
26:53
sweetener in this. If you're going to get a Rev
26:56
share you should be allowed to do whatever you want in nil.
26:59
If you're a quarterback that can make 2 million off the NIL plus
27:02
your refs year, to me the NIL should not count against the
27:06
cap. The the cap should be the Rev
27:09
share. But if we get to a point where
27:10
we have 40 or $50 million, you know, football budgets out
27:13
there, which is where I think we'll go, then, yeah, that could
27:16
be disadvantageous to a certain group of Big 12 schools.
27:19
What what about some of the power brokers like an Ohio
27:23
State? I mean that we know that they're
27:24
spending money and and they were doing nothing illegal.
27:28
They had some well heeled boosters in the past that were
27:31
willing to write those checks. Might schools like Ohio State,
27:35
knowing the now the the new landscape that we're about to
27:38
embark on, might, you know, might the Big 10 see more
27:41
parity? Might Ohio State not be as
27:44
dominant in the years ahead if indeed there is enforcement of
27:48
this quote cap? It's possible.
27:51
It certainly is. I mean, you look at the NFL,
27:54
there's a hard cap there. You know, you cannot exceed, you
27:57
know, whatever the cap is that year on your payroll and you,
28:01
your cap comes out of the top 53 players in the offseason, the
28:05
top 51 paid players in the regular season.
28:08
There's there's consistency across all 32 of those teams.
28:13
If you can build consistency across all 130 something teams
28:17
in FBS, first of all, congratulations to you because
28:20
you've threaded the needle that nobody could thread for over 100
28:22
years #2 then, yeah, you could see parity in every conference.
28:26
And when you think about how popular college football is and
28:30
how popular these different conferences are, parody across
28:33
conferences I think would be fantastic in the long run
28:36
because then you really, truly don't know who would win the
28:39
national championship every year.
28:41
I mean, right now you've got a pool of about, I'd say 2530
28:45
schools that have a legitimate shot.
28:47
You know, we could get to a point if, if this thing works
28:49
properly where, you know, maybe 50-60 schools have a legitimate
28:53
shot every year. And that would be great for the
28:55
game. It'd be great for fans, It'd be
28:57
great for, for the stand bases across the Big 12.
29:00
It would just it would just make for a better product and
29:03
ultimately would end up making everybody more money.
29:06
Dion's made plenty of money. Dion's not going to be around,
29:09
though, for football camps happening at Colorado.
29:12
Can you fill us in on the details and what is just yet
29:15
another strange turn of Dion? And he's not well.
29:18
Yeah, Back in Texas, 57 years old, kind of.
29:21
I don't know. I got that that eerie feeling as
29:23
I was reading through the article.
29:24
From US toes amputated. Or yeah, he did.
29:27
He he did have a couple of toes amputated a couple of years ago.
29:30
In fact, this was when the TCU job opened up after they let
29:34
Gary go. He actually interviewed for that
29:37
job while he was away from Jackson State and he was
29:40
recuperating from that surgery. At first of all, I didn't know
29:45
he had a home in Canyon, TX. That's brand new information to
29:48
me. I think that's supposed to be
29:51
Canton, TX. But you know, I, I don't know
29:54
exactly what the, the health situation is.
29:56
I don't think that was disclosed based on what I've seen out
29:59
there today. Yes, you're right.
30:00
He had two toes amputated back in 2021.
30:04
This could be that, this could be something else.
30:09
You know, he's always very open about, you know, the issues that
30:12
he's dealt with throughout his life.
30:14
You know, so I I don't have anything more than anybody else
30:17
at ESPN or, or us at Heartland have right now, just that he's,
30:21
you know, he's dealing with something and that, you know,
30:24
he's not going to be around for a while.
30:25
And that's, you know, admittedly that's bad news for Colorado,
30:28
you know, not right now, But if you still, you know, dealing
30:31
with dealing with us in August when football practice begins.
30:35
And that certainly creates issues for the Buffaloes this
30:38
coming season. But the transition from his son
30:40
at quarterback and Travis Hunter to, you know, basically a new
30:44
group of student athletes there, Colorado.
30:47
Do do you think that there's maybe 31 NFL teams that have a
30:50
little remorse that they didn't push the door on their on their
30:53
draft card when they turned it in?
30:56
By all accounts, he's doing very well in Brown's training camp.
30:59
I mean, I know the competitions, you know, it's not great there,
31:03
but I, I think he's, he's opening some eyes throughout the
31:06
league just how good maybe he is.
31:10
I, I always felt like he was a good NFL prospect coming out of
31:14
college. I, I, I could see him going in
31:17
the first round, but I where he ended up actually being taken, I
31:20
think was well, well below where he should have actually been
31:24
taken. He should have been taken no, no
31:25
later than day 2. He was a highly accurate
31:29
quarterback in college. And I don't care what system
31:32
you're running. You know your, your completion
31:34
percentage from college to Pro is going to come down a few
31:36
percent. But when you're when you're
31:38
throwing the ball and you're completing 70% of your passes,
31:41
if you get to the NFL and you're completing 65% of your passes
31:44
just based on the change in schemes and everything, that's
31:48
still terrific that that'll keep you a starter in the NFL.
31:51
He got pro level coaching from Pat Shermer, their offensive
31:55
coordinator last year. He's been around pro level
31:58
coaches for, you know, 3 or 4 years now.
32:00
I mean, you know, he's, I think he has the ability to be a
32:04
starter in the NFL, maybe not right away, and that may be to
32:07
his benefit. Frankly, I didn't think
32:09
Cleveland was the best place for him because I would have liked
32:11
to have seen him land in the place where they had a veteran
32:13
quarterback that he could sit behind for a year like Patrick
32:16
did in Kansas City and kind of get his feet under him.
32:19
But I feel like in two or three years he can be a solid NFL
32:23
starting quarterback. I don't know if he's going to
32:25
be. Maybe his trajectory is like a
32:28
Baker Mayfield, where he struggles for a while and then
32:30
finds the right place and ends up becoming a start.
32:33
Maybe his trajectory is like a Patrick or he, you know, hits it
32:36
after year 2 or year 3. But I think he's, I think he's
32:39
going to end up being a better NFL quarterback than his draft
32:42
position would have suggested. One final thing is we saw Texas
32:46
Tech, well, what they've done in the portal, the way that they've
32:49
spent what they did in College World Series for softball and on
32:52
and on and on. Is this a blip because where
32:54
have they been? You know, we heard about T Boone
32:56
Pickens, we knew about obviously Texas and Oklahoma.
32:58
The way that they spend. Is this new money coming into
33:02
Texas Tech athletics or and is there sustained sustainability
33:06
maybe behind it? I think there's sustainability
33:09
behind it. You know, in Texas and Oklahoma
33:11
announced they were leading the conference.
33:14
You know, after everybody kind of got over the hangover of them
33:16
leaving, certain schools realized there's a vacuum here.
33:22
Texas Tech was one of the first ones to figure that out.
33:25
Kirby went right to work on that football facility.
33:28
That was the first big thing that they announced.
33:30
The football facility that they just opened last year, Matador
33:34
Club, has been, I think the best NIO arm in the Big 12.
33:38
They got to work right away and they gave $25,000 to every
33:42
athlete at Texas Tech, not just the football team.
33:44
They paid attention to everybody.
33:46
I think that got everybody's attention.
33:48
So when you consider the fact that they have not just paid
33:51
attention to football, they paid attention to their Big 5 sports.
33:54
They spent $1,000,000 on the pitcher in softball, majority
33:58
candidate, and they're going to bring her back for another year
34:01
and they got to the Women's College World Series.
34:03
I don't think it's a blip. I think they've been planning
34:06
for this moment for a few years now.
34:07
And now you have Joey McGuire in a position where he has more
34:11
talent than he's ever had. They've got a yeah, I think they
34:15
stack up with Arizona State from a talent standpoint.
34:18
I don't think his jobs in the line, but I do think it's we've
34:21
given you everything you need, everything you possibly ask for.
34:25
Now go do something that Texas Tech hasn't done since 1996 and
34:30
go win a conference, Win it outright, which I didn't do in
34:33
96 when they shared the Southwest Conference tower 94, I
34:36
should say. And, you know, get the Red
34:39
Raiders in the College Football Playoffs.
34:40
So I don't think it's a blip. I think that they've finally got
34:44
the right mix of coaches, the right mix of NIL, the right mix
34:47
of facilities. You know, they're they're one of
34:50
those teams that I think for the next three or five years when
34:52
your Mark talked at the Big 12 championship game about he
34:55
thinks at some point somebody will rise to the top.
34:58
Tech is one of those schools that he think that I think has
35:01
the ability to rise the top and be a dominant school in this
35:04
conference when it comes to football and certainly other
35:06
sports as well. I couldn't agree with you more.
35:09
I'd like them in both Batman's basketball and in football this
35:12
year. We'll see what happens.
35:14
As always, Matt Poston's invaluable information.
35:17
Appreciate your contribution whenever we have you on.
35:20
We'll talk to you down the road. Matt, thank you.
35:22
Have a great day. All right, thanks, guys.
35:24
Yep, good to talk to you. Matt Poston's Heartland College
35:26
sports take your time out trends, plays of the day or
35:28
next. Miller and Condon our final
35:30
segment on the Iowa Sports Radio Network.
35:32
All right, final couple of minutes here on a Tuesday.
35:34
Miller and Condon with you. Drive is next.
35:38
Heather and Lucas two to five. Overtime Iowa 5 to 6.
35:41
A snippet from this morning, Ellie Clef, Sean Roberts from
35:45
Trent and I and then something from the drive never talked
35:48
about. We didn't talk a lot about the
35:49
baseball from yesterday. This catch by Denzel Clark, the
35:53
center fielder for the now a Sacramento ways, By the way,
35:57
they're breaking ground this week in Vegas, which is kind of
36:00
surprising, at least to me. I'm not sure they got to that
36:02
point, but they are. But the catch is as good as
36:06
you're ever going to see, yeah. It's great.
36:07
It was absolutely wonderful. I had not seen it until you had
36:11
alerted me to it and then I was making sounds in the studio
36:14
before we went out there because it was that good.
36:16
It was just, it was outstanding. Yeah, Denzel Clark, just a
36:19
rookie Canadian boy, got called up when when the A's were in
36:22
Toronto, his hometown. So that was a pretty good touch
36:26
on the A's part to do that. But he is A solid center
36:30
fielder, that's for sure. All right, enough about the A's.
36:33
What are you betting tonight? I have 4 baseball games and one
36:38
in the WNBA after a 4 no Monday. Oh, so let's see if we can stay
36:44
hot now. Yesterday it was some favorites,
36:48
today it is dogs. Let's start things up in
36:51
Detroit, where the 1st place Tigers are getting a + 115
36:55
against Polovich. Yeah, I know they're going with
36:57
an opener, but still. Plus 1/15 the Tigers.
37:00
Yeah, Smash. Plus money on deed, Yeah.
37:03
Mackenzie Gore's playing better. They are playing better, not
37:06
great. Uh huh, Right, that's true.
37:07
Mackenzie Gore, I think I start him.
37:09
And where's? He gonna finish his year.
37:11
In LA, No, don't do this, I tell.
37:16
It's gross. I will be betting him though.
37:18
In a Nationals uniform plus. 134 that's the amazing.
37:22
Mets against Canning, who has to take a step back.
37:26
Trendy's been great. Speaking of great, Tyler
37:28
Malley's been great and he will remain great against his former
37:31
team, the Minnesota Twins. Simeon Woods, Richardson off the
37:35
scrap peep. Give me the Rangers plus one O
37:37
Rangers. Can't score?
37:38
Remember that. One, nothing to work, you just
37:41
need a winner. OK, Blue Jays are going to
37:44
continue their. Great matchup.
37:47
Bassett, Michaelis. Good one, even money.
37:51
Blue Jays +100. Hottest team in the last 30
37:54
games, the Toronto Blue Jays. And we wrap things up with.
37:59
The liberty laying the 17, is that what you're going to do?
38:04
I am absolutely doing that. Give me the liberty -17 they're.
38:09
So bad, Chicago, so bad. And quit there's there seems to
38:15
be something extra that is happening there.
38:19
Keep an eye on that one. This thing like old spreads.
38:22
This might be an old spread kind of game.
38:24
All right, that will do it for us.
38:25
The drive is next. We appreciate you being with
38:28
Trent and I. We are Miller and Condon and
38:30
we're here Monday through Friday from noon until 2 talking sports
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38:35
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