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Paul Selig: The Guides on Ending War, Collective Agreements, Sensitivity & Energetic Attunements · Awakening with Natalie Namaste

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  SPEAKER_01: You can't be the light and hold another in darkness.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can't have the glib superiority of saying, I'm spiritual when you're trashing people.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, it doesn't quite work that way.
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  SPEAKER_01: They say that the action of fear is to claim more fear.
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  SPEAKER_01: Every choice we make in fear gets us more of the same.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so a simple thing to do is stop taking actions based in fear.
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  SPEAKER_01: You cannot shift what you see from the basement window at the level of the basement window.
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  SPEAKER_01: You have to go up a few stories higher in order to be able to re-see it and move beyond the old requirements or agreements to its form of manifestation.
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  SPEAKER_01: You will not get the information you require at the higher level until you agree that it's even a possibility.
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  SPEAKER_01: You are always ordering off of the menu of you what you believe can be so.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know who I am in truth.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know what I am in truth.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know how I serve in truth.
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  SPEAKER_00: Namaste, beautiful souls.
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  SPEAKER_00: Today I'm joined by Paul Selig, which I'm sure many of you know him.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's a renowned spiritual teacher and author of many books, a channel of channeled books that really um explore humanity's awakening and our divine nature.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's interesting because Paul's also got a master's degree from Yale and 25 years in academia, um, which we I would like us to go into.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'll that'll be one of my questions to find out like what changed how you went from being an academic to a channel.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, but let me just welcome you, Paul.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's wonderful for you to be here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for having me.
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  SPEAKER_00: The question that I want to actually begin with is right now, this moment, Paul, like as spiritual teachers, I know from my own experience, we we go through our own personal evolution.
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  SPEAKER_00: We go through moments where we're we're having like aha moments and where our guides are channeling through information and then we digest it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Currently, right now, in your own personal experience and also then with your teachings and connection with the guides, what's what's something that you're currently understanding, learning, growing, or like releasing?
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  SPEAKER_00: What's currently happening in your life?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, I I I periodically, you know, as I continue to do this work, my relationship to the work changes.
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  SPEAKER_01: How I experience the work and how I implement the instruction that I receive.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't consider myself a spiritual teacher.
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  SPEAKER_01: The guides I work with teach through me, and I've learned to be able to hopefully articulate fairly well the instruction as I understand it when I'm asked, because I'm not always in channel when I'm speaking about this kind of thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I think as of recent, what's up for me is uh a renewing of my understanding of source and relationship to source and what that means, which I think has evolved over the years.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I can't say I can describe it effectively now and in a in a you know, in a thumb thumbnail, you know, little explanation.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm in a I'm in my own process in a different way, and I think that's an equivalency to what the guides are actually teaching about a level of alignment that they say is about being in with and of the source of all things.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's moving to the landscape of a realization of the expression of source, especially where it feels somewhat impossible to decide that source could be there.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's actually quite a challenging teaching.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm in my own stuff with this.
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  SPEAKER_01: I haven't come to any conclusions yet, and I may never, truthfully.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is just another step, a step on the path.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_00: It immediately takes pressure of trying to achieve or get somewhere.
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  SPEAKER_00: And do you know what, Paul?
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  SPEAKER_00: I feel the same way.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm currently in a space where I'm deep in presence with what is, and there's there's like a deep allowing, and an alignment is a very good way of saying it.
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  SPEAKER_00: It feels like the source of that which is, and the soul in the separate experience of what I am, and the human self are all um kind of in an alignment together, which which which is kind of braas before there would be um like a think a lot of thinking around it, and finding that I have less vocabulary and less words to describe it, and more well it's right, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Just just stop talking.
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  SPEAKER_00: There it is.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sounds right to me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, it's deep.
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  SPEAKER_00: So oh, it feels wonderful to be able to talk with you about this.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and and we'll see what else comes through.
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  SPEAKER_00: This space is just open for the guides to come through whenever they wish.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I would I would love for you to share with us what happened in 1987.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, what what shifted?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like what was before what shifted, and what happened after?
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, it was it was a certainly it was a demarcation for a number of reasons and because of a number of events that happened kind of um in sequence one after the next.
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  SPEAKER_01: I had graduated uh with the master's degree from a good school, and I had never really been on my own before.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'd always been in school in some fashion.
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  SPEAKER_01: I had a terrible drinking problem, and I was getting addicted to drugs.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I found myself praying.
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  SPEAKER_01: I had been raised an atheist, so that was an unlikely act for me for help of some kind, not even sure what the problem was.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I ended up hearing a voice, which was the first voice, telling me what to do, how to get my act together.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I listened to the voice and, you know, stopped drinking and taking drugs, and that's almost 40 years ago now.
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  SPEAKER_01: And as I was beginning to get sober, I found that my sensitivity began to increase.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I began to think of the possibility that maybe there was something like God or some power in the universe, call it what you wish.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I heard that there was an event happening, this cosmic event, and now it feels like there's one every other Tuesday, and I don't give them much stock.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I heard that there was this thing happening called the harmonic convergence, and people were going to be waking up.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_01: Pardon me.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I thought, well, if there is a God or something like a God, and you asked to be woken up, why would it want to say no?
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  SPEAKER_01: I didn't really have the baggage to prohibit that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then I went up to the roof of the building that I was living in in Manhattan at the time, sat in a towel, somebody had given me a crystal and a mantra, and I asked to be woken up.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I actually had an experience of energy.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, people later said it sounded like a spontaneous kundalini awakening.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_01: I just may have been hyperventilating.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_01: I have no idea really, still what it was, but it was a palpable experience of energy moving through my body from the base up to the top of my head.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think at that time I needed something evidential.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm not a very good new ager, I'm not a very good, you know, I have little patience with many of the things that sort of are part of the jargon.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I needed something that I couldn't deny myself.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I got it.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's what happened.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then I started seeing the lights around people shortly after that.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_01: And so it was uh a beginning of a very different life in every way.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, that's that's really what happened.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_01: I studied healing a couple of years after that to get a context for the experiences that I was happening, and my my Claire audience kicked in at that time, um, which is what I use now as a channel.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_01: But I was volunteering at a place that was providing services uh for people with a life-challenging illness.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um, after I had studied healing, I got this call saying, Would you like to come and work on Sundays?
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I did because I figured I was supposed to say yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was the height of the AIDS epidemic in New York, and it was a very difficult, difficult time.
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  SPEAKER_01: People were dying very quickly, and this was something I could do.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I found that if I had my hands on somebody's body, I might be able to hear things for them, and then they would confirm the information I was getting.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I was opening up as a psychic.
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  SPEAKER_01: I started feeling what was going on in other people's bodies in my own.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I was opening up as a clairsentient.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um, you know, I didn't have much context for any of this.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was a very radical change for me from who I thought I had been and who I seemed to be becoming.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that's what happened.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the I'm still in the after of that.
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  SPEAKER_01: It hasn't stopped, you know, there was before and there was after.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I can't say that I have answers as a result of all of these years that I've been doing this work now, but I have experience such as it is.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's I think the answer to your question.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So so you show up and and just are there, like if it's hands-on or um the guy's bringing through a message, and is there a layer or a filter or a part in your own mind that's going, is this real?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, is there a skeptic inside there?
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  SPEAKER_01: There is discernment inside there now more than skepticism.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, I've been doing this.
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  SPEAKER_01: I began channeling or what's now called channeling when I was maybe 32, 33.
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  SPEAKER_01: And initially I was just hearing scraps of information and mostly energetic coordinates of ways to work with what are now the attunements that the guides I work with bring through.
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  SPEAKER_01: They didn't start to lecture through me until I was 48 years old.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that happened after I quit cigarette smoking.
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  SPEAKER_01: And since then, they've delivered, I think, 15 entire texts that are just spoken into being.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're not written, they're not edited.
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  SPEAKER_01: The books are channeled, they're transcribed and put into a volume, and that becomes the book.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the guides say chapter one, and I say this is the end of the book, and that's you know what they are.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't do the hands-on anymore.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's very rare that I do.
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  SPEAKER_01: That was part of my initial training.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, but it is about showing up for me still.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm very cautious around a lot of what is call channeling now, or some of what is call channeling.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think people may be tuning in, we're all radios, we can always pick up a broadcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: Most of the broadcasts that we're picking up are what my guides call the common field, which is our understanding of a shared reality, and we're calling, pulling information from that.
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  SPEAKER_01: The guides I work with are teachers, and they're coming through with a very specific instruction and have for a long time now.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I suppose if my guides were to start to talk about conspiracy theories or, you know, agendas from intergalactic beings, I don't know that I would necessarily trust it because that's not been their information and how they've worked.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, so I mostly have allowed myself to remain in my lane, or better said, in their lane of instruction.
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  SPEAKER_01: I do question the teachings.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if you ever look at any of the books the guides have written, you'll often see Paul is interrupting, and you know, and Paul is interrupting, will take his question.
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  SPEAKER_01: And mostly they usually have to take my question if I'm going to continue, because if they say something that I feel is too crazy or far out or unprovable, I may ask and inquire, and for the most part, they'll unpack their instruction for me and for the students who will be reading the book or they're present for the lecture.
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  SPEAKER_01: All of the books now are done before audiences.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm not alone in the room.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm sitting before a number of different audiences as the books are coming through.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I do find that discernment is important.
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  SPEAKER_01: I find it challenging to read psychically for myself.
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  SPEAKER_01: I read, I work as a psychic now too, which is something that developed as a result of this.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what the radio, the radio that I am, picks up the guides broadcast, but when I work psychically, I tune into the students of the work, their broadcast, what it feels like to be them, and I can often hear them at a higher level.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm able to hear perhaps what they're trying to understand.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'll hear it often in their voice, or if they ask about their relationships, I may step into their partner and I'm told I start to resemble the partner, or I quote the partner.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm with that information, that's a little bit more evidential.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: Somebody can say, Oh, yes, you look like my husband when you say this thing, or that's exactly what my wife said to me last night, and you know, you just said it again.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I get confirmation of that.
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  SPEAKER_01: With the channeling, the confirmation is primarily the energy that accompanies the lectures, which is palpable for most people.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that I do trust, you know, because there's phenomena that's always been associated with this work that seems to be continuing and only amplifying.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: I feel the same way.
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  SPEAKER_00: If I don't feel it in my body, then it's it's not a reality for me.
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  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, so like uh I'm doing these groups, um, I'm working with these groups, and then I become the surrogate, so I can feel like all blocked throat, and I can I can see where and how that all happened.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, and and and also you're right about the personality, it becomes so real when it's in our body.
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  SPEAKER_01: Exactly right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so when the guides channeled through you, um, do you feel like energy moving through the body as well?
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean there's there's there's varying degrees.
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  SPEAKER_01: When I was early in in my channeling life, and I there were times when the energy was so strong moving through me, I had to be on my feet and moving with the energy.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_01: It was too much to contain.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now I'm much more in agreement to the energy, it's much easier on my system.
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  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, they wait, but there are times when they step into me very, very fully.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm told, because you know that you know, my eyes turn a very pale blue, and I don't have blue eyes, and you know, my face changes, people are seeing me in a different way, and that's been reported for a long, long time.
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  SPEAKER_01: But the experience of the guides energetically, you know, varies.
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  SPEAKER_01: When I'm more out of the way, I feel more, you know, sort of, I would say, overtaken or absorbed in that energy.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_01: When I'm working psychically and I'm stepping in and out of, say, another person and then hearing the guide's commentary on what's really going on and my own interpretation, I may not be in as deep because I'm actually switching radio stations between the guides and the subject and my own questioning.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_00: Who who are the guides?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, are they just known as the guides, or like do you have more like I don't know, feeling?
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_01: The guides are called the guides because primarily because my ex from 30 years ago, whatever it is now, when he found out I could do this and had a he had a captive psychic in the house, used to say, ask the guides this, ask the guides that, and I just became the guides.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: I like it because it doesn't carry with it the weight and the drama and the attachment that uh the names can often bring.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, anybody can say they're channeling Archangel Michael or somebody from, you know, another planet.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I granted, I guess until there's some system where people can get a check on all those things, we live with what people say.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't think it necessarily matters all that much how somebody announces themselves.
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  SPEAKER_01: The name that I was given first by a mentor, which was problematic.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's why I don't want to give people the names of their guides if I get things.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then I threw out and then got confirmed in my own way by them as they were teaching was the name Melchizedek, which is a priesthood.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's an old teaching.
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  SPEAKER_01: So when they have in the books announced themselves, they have announced themselves as Melchizedek.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_01: They've announced themselves as the true self, which is another name for the monad or the Christ, the divine self.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, teachers, missionaries, you know, titles more so.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: When I was coming into this work in the 1990s in New York City, there was a kind of spiritual materialism that was prevalent.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I wasn't, I was doing a group publicly, but I wasn't calling it channeling.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: I was doing energy work.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but you'd hear things like, well, Archangel Michael is channeling on the Upper West Side, but if you want a really hot experience, go to Brooklyn and listen to Raphael Sundays at three.
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  SPEAKER_01: As if it was either a competition or a spiritual, you know, contest, who's got the bigger guide or the higher guide or whatever.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: And what I've come to understand finally is it has to all rest in the quality of the information and the instruction and the intention behind it.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: You know, people tend to think just because somebody doesn't have a body that they should be listened to.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I've often said, you know, my grandmother on my mother's side was married at least four times.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: And she's probably not who I none of none of them are any good.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: They were all terrible marriages.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: She's probably not who I want to go to for relationship advice on the other side, although she might be very happy to give it to me, you know.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: So I go to the quality of the information and the instruction.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I rest in, finally.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: And I I don't care what the names are so much as because truth is pretty easy to discern.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_01: And truth versus fanciful thinking or truth versus ego enhancement, and the this idea of specialness that can come when people start to open up to their abilities, that's hopefully a passing phase.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: Because if you get stuck in the specialness, you're going to get stuck.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_01: And the level of information you'll bring through probably won't be quite as rich and truthful.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because that's um how I sense it and see it is that the the layer of the ego, the thinking mind, it it's thicker and and so and it's full of beliefs and and so because it's thicker, then there's less spaciousness for the divine information to come through.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_00: So like what I have come to understand, like very much discernment is needed in the spiritual realm, and be in your body, and you're you will sense it deep inside if it's ringing true, if it's if it's in resonance, if it's right for you, if this is the message that you're meant to hear right now.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: And for me personally, it's it's like um I had this great like um realization to to live in awareness 24-7 and to be very conscious and aware of my own thinking mind and to know that not to believe in everything that I think and not to attach or resist to the waves of emotion that move through this body, but to remain conscious and aware.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_00: And and and so in this space of conscious awareness, that which is not the the purest, almost clearest form um dissolves out because I don't feed awareness to it, which seems to be leaving a spaciousness for more clarity to come through.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: And whereas before I was like um uh it's like Natalie and the angels, and then I can channel the angels, and it's kind of expanded into um I don't know where I end or where the angels begin, and I just open up and the wisdom comes through.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_00: So as you say, it doesn't need to be defined.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's our human part that like um tries to attach to something so that it can make sense of it.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: And there's nothing wrong with that.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: All is all is divine perfection, but there's more, and and that's what I want to share with everyone is listening and watching is like it's it's even beyond channeling, it's about it's about being present and allowing that which is.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: To arise and be, and and and the true essence of your soul can then be, you can live more consciously.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_00: And I feel like, especially in the spiritual industry, I just feel like we can move more into the heart now, because so many of us in this industry have also been kind of going, Well, these are my parameters, and I'll just which is using mind.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: But but what if we come more into the heart and instead of like um thinking our way through, we we feel our way through, like for example, um, you're here having a conversation with me because there was a feeling of a yes, this is this is a conversation to have rather than like oh I need to think about it.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: So I feel like humanity, this is like a big time to wake up in in all industries, in all spaces in this world, but like I just want to be aware of it.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just noticing it in this field as well.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like, can we drop more into our hearts and feel our way through then rather thinking?
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_01: I think we can.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's something that you've chosen, I'd say, rightly to aspire to or align with.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: When I began doing this work, there wasn't such a thing publicly that I understood of as the spiritual market.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: There was no internet, there was no social media.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_01: This is just what I did once a week in my apartment with a small group of people.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I did a small group in my apartment for 18 years, not looking to be known for this or expecting to get a career.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: I had a basket.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_01: People would put$10 or$20 in the basket.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: Most of my time was spent teaching college.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: And um when this work began to overtake my time, that began to change.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: But I still find that how I show up for this work really hasn't changed at all.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's the same thing as it was when it began.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm curious, I'm an inquiry with it, and I'm I'm invested in whatever the experience happens to be in a shared template, which is what's offered when the guides come through with a group of people before them.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: So I do agree that moving out of the intellect, which holds itself in limited ways, is highly useful.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think it needs to be abandoned, but my guides once said, you know, the question is who sits in the throne?
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_01: Is it the divine self, the true self, or is it the personality structure or the egoic structure that's demanding things be as it thinks things should be?
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: And that's something that I get to remind myself of as well, you know, the same thing.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_01: So moving into the idea of the heart is fine, except the heart for many just remains an idea.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: What does that really mean?
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: What is really being invited in that?
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: If it's to listen to your intuitive self, what's the difference between somebody's understanding of the intuitive self and wishful thinking and getting what they think that they should have, utilizing the paradigm of spiritual manifestation as the way to get it?
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_01: So it gets a little convoluted, and finally, the simpler the better, in my opinion, you know, the simpler the better.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you go into the heart, yes, or to the divine self or the true self or whatever, and you move into allowance.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_01: And it's from that place of allowance that things begin to emerge, not seeking to control outcome and get what you think it should be, or even define it through the systems that have been utilized in the collective.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's so true.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_00: Even my idea of how we need to come from mind to heart is still mind.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_00: So in truth, it's just bring awareness into the heart, breathe in and out through the heart, and whatever flows from that is.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_00: That's it.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um I feel like there was something recent or or the guys have said something about um humanity is being in a time of reckoning, um, and that the old world and its structures are changing.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_00: Could you share deeper into this?
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, it was in the very first book, which was channeled in 2009, I think, and published in 2010.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: It was called I Am the Word.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_01: The guide said humanity is at a time of reckoning, and a reckoning is a facing of oneself and all of one's creations.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: And also that everything that's been created in fear is going to need to be recreated or renowned in a higher way.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, granted, I think at the beginning, everybody was thinking of this as a personal instruction, personal reckoning, having to see, you can call it the shadow self, or where we harm ourselves or others, or where we're in agreement to deceit in any level and vibrational accord with institutions that are, you know, holding fear.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_01: So all of that stuff I think is true, but now I think it's very apparent that we're at a collective level of change.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, the guides have been very accurate.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_01: I I mean, for better and for worse, throughout the, you know, whatever it is, 16 years of dictating books, maybe it's more now, of sort of tracking the humanities shits and what's happening and what's needing.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_01: And because the books are usually channeled a year or a year and a half before they're published, they're usually right on target when the book comes out.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_01: And I go, oh boy, you know.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um so I I'm used to this.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_01: I think they've said pretty much that everything that holds its basis in fear and all of you know the different ways we understand fear, whether it be war, control, you know, deceit, greed, all of that stuff is up and is going to be up until we start to attend to it in a different way.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_01: The guides are talking about a level of vibration being present, which actually requires the shift in the species itself.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they say you can't be the light and hold another in darkness.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's a teaching of hypocrisy.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_01: You know, what you damn who you damn damns you back.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_01: What you bring the light to, what you bless, blesses you in return.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: They're very simple teachings, but they're of and for a time, I think, of great transition.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: So that that teaching that they delivered all those years ago is still true.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: I think in the books that they've delivered since then, they've unpacked it more and spoken directly to how institutions change.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, a few years ago, I think it was maybe 2019, before COVID, and they were going off on, you know, everything's about to change, you know, and they said things like, you know, I mean, banking, governmental, governmental structures.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: They even said education.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, education?
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not that's not going to change, you know.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_01: Harvard's gonna be Harvard, you know, we're gonna have schools.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: This is what we do, everything.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: But they were really right, you know, but they've said there's nothing wrong with the bank, finally.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: The first bank they said was somebody holding somebody else's purse when they went off into the woods to hunt.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: That was the first bank.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: But if the uh the bank that has become a structure, if the cement that holds the brooks together is the cement of fear, the structure likely will not hold.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: It will have to be renowned in a different way.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_01: When they talk about being renowned in a different way, they're rarely just talking about improvement, you know, fixing the fixing the roof that has the hole in it, but sometimes it's looking at the whole foundation of the thing and the premise of the thing and bringing it to a different level of potential.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_00: Are they giving guidance on how we can because I mean obviously this is already happening?
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_00: We are holding more light, we are changing our frequency, the structures are dissolving.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what are they what are the guides?
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you've channeled so many books, you've got so much information on this.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm really interested in this topic.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like, um what can we do?
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_00: What is how can we support this?
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, how can we change in ourselves?
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_01: There's practical things that can be done in any moment.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_01: They say that the action of fear is to claim more fear.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: Every choice we make in fear gets us more of the same.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_01: And so a simple thing to do is stop taking actions based in fear.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and they say if you want to look at this, look at the last choice you made in fear and see what you got from it, you'll likely find out that there was more fear to come.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: So that's a simple thing.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: To become aware of the inherent divine in oneself actually requires one, I believe, to become aware of the inherent divine in others.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_01: You can't be the light and hold another in darkness.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_01: You can't have the glib superiority of saying, I'm spiritual when you're trashing people.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it doesn't quite work that way.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: Or you can have what you want, but you'll be in a bit of a fool's paradise.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: And it's not to say that we have to agree with everything people do or support behavior that we think is atrocious.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_01: But you're moving to an awareness of the inherent divine.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: The guides say you can't make anything holy.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_01: It already is, but you can deny the divine in anything.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_01: And they have said that the primary problem, the only real problem that humanity faces is what they call the denial of the divine.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_01: And that has nothing to do with religion.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_01: It has everything to do with the sacred, the holy, the inherent holiness that can be recovered and re-seen and reclaimed.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: The guide's instruction holds a methodology for transformation.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_01: They work with energetic attunements, which they say are their incantations or affirmations, like claims of truth is what they call them, that are encoded with vibration.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: And the speaking of them and the agreement, an energetic alignment to them, supports the energetic field in a shift.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_01: And when they do these things in my groups or in my live streams, it's often very palpable for people.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: You can feel the escalation of the field.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_01: And they say we're operating in an octave of vibration.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: The guides I work with don't speak to dimensions often, but they talk about music a lot.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um, they say the language of science will be outmoded in another few years, but the language of music is not.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's a constant.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_01: They say that our reality is an octave with its high lots and its low notes, and low can be seen as evil or fear or high notes, I suppose you could say as love or truth or wisdom.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_01: But we're still existing in a template of vibrational accord with its low and high notes, an octave.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_01: They lift, they bring people to what they call the upper room, which they say is the next octave of vibration above the common field.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's actually here now.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_01: We're just not operating at that level.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_01: And they say that the attunements that they instruct through offer the opportunity for what's the word, transposition.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_01: So you can sing any song in any octave into infinity beyond what the vocal cords can sing or the ears can hear.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: That song exists, can be sung in a higher field.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_01: And what they're doing with us, inclusive of the body and identity, really, and the vibrational field is transposing us to be sung or to sing at a higher level of a chord.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_01: And they say a chord, A-C-C-O-R-D, or A-C-H-O-R-D is on a piano, again, a musical tone.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_01: And it is from this place, they say, that a world is made new or reclaimed or re-seen.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_01: Because when you begin to operate at that level of vibration, you're co-resonating with source, the inherent divine that exists in the one before you, in the tree and the landscape, and that terrible human being you never want to see again.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: You really move to a level of agreement to the inherent divine.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: And that's their instruction, and that's how they say a world is actually transformed.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: And do they talk about acceptance being an important part of this?
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_01: You know, yes, I'm sure they do, and I'm sure it's been discussed at length in the books.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_01: But I think um, you know, I can use acceptance in positive ways and negative ways.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_01: I, you know, I've had a cold.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't wanted to get up and do anything for the last week, other than what I've had to do, and I enjoy doing absolutely nothing, and I'm very good at doing nothing, and I'd be happy to do nothing for quite some time, but it's not necessarily to buy my benefit.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_01: I accept, but I want to do nothing, but perhaps I need to act anyway, you know, in order to get healthy, in order to take care of what needs to be cared for and be responsible to my life and myself.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_01: So acceptance, I do think that nothing gets changed until it's first seen.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_01: You don't get to spiritual bypass, you know, as people like to call it now.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: So the guides say, you know, if you've got a body buried in the basement, whatever that might be metaphorically, or something hidden in the cupboard that you don't want to look at in your personality or in your history or something you prefer to forget.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I can accept that it's there, but honestly, in some cases, I think we have to agree to see it, to understand it, so that we can move beyond it.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: Because if we keep hiding into the darkness, it can't be brought to the light.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_01: And that's a part of the process that I think we're undergoing now, both at the level of personal self, our own stuff, and the collective stuff, which is why the hell do we keep agreeing to war?
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_01: Because clearly we do, because we keep being at war.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_01: The guy said we have been as a species, we've been at war since somebody threw the first rock at somebody else.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's the same war, it just comes in different names at different times.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_01: And it's the same energetic structure.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: And that we have been at war for so long that we expect to be, and we always get what we expect.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_01: That's how we create.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_01: So that's the reality that we're party to.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: And then they say, and if I say, well, I didn't create the war, they'll say no, but you're holding it in consciousness each time you think of it, and you're actually supporting the structure of it through thought, through your agreement to what is.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_01: And they say this is altered through moving to a higher level of vibration, where actually the very idea of war itself or the first idea of war can be transmuted and changed.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_01: Because if that idea isn't operative anymore, it becomes obsolete, like your old rotary phone or the old phone book and the attic that you don't use anymore because you don't need it.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_01: So the guides say, you know, that in spiritual communities, people like to think of manifestation as getting something.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to manifest a lover, a great home, or a better job, or whatever.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_01: Nothing wrong with that.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: But the guides say we don't understand that we're already in an agreement to everything that we see.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_01: We're in vibrational accord, or everything we see is also in alignment with us.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_01: And when we move to a level of alignment beyond that, those things can begin to alter and change.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_01: And how we are party as a collective to collective structures is something to look at because we have the authority to do that.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_01: We have the authority to change our minds about how the world operates.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_01: We really do.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_01: I'll leave it there.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's powerful.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_00: Because if you if we notice individually, if you if you change your mind and you change your focus, you you see different outcomes in your reality.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_00: You you it it's it's a truth, it's right here, palpable.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_00: So then how do we do that as a collective?
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_00: Because yeah, what do the guides say about that?
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_00: Because if if some of us are still holding on to it, then like how how does that change?
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_01: I probably, I mean, if you get a clear answer, I'd probably have to go to them.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm really only on my second cup of coffee today, and I've got a cold, so I don't know if I should channel.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_01: So let me see if I can try to answer this, and if I can't, maybe they'll interrupt me or something.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_01: They're saying collective agreement and what a potential is.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_01: If you move beyond the idea that war is a mandate and cannot be changed, you've created the potential for a world beyond war.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_01: The world cannot be altered as long as you have decided it will not be or should not be.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_01: This is how you agree and underline the word agree because agree means move into vibrational accord or claim what you see as so.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_01: That is a tree out the window.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: I agree to the tree out the window.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: There is the tree.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_01: I agree to the war that I see here or there or somewhere other.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_01: And the agreement that I make actually confirms the presence of the thing and the qualifications or requirements of the thing.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_01: The very structure of the thing is in most ways defined by the meanings that have been opportunized with it.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: In other words, the beautiful tree, the dying tree, the oak tree, or the sycamore, the holy war, the necessary war, the criminal war, the horrible war, all of these are ways of describing and adhering to a manifest reality or thing made so.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_01: War is indeed an idea like all things that has been made so and has been enacted.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_01: When something is enacted and agreed upon in the collective, it holds a structure.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_01: When the structure is present, it appears, underlying the word appears, to be solid and unmovable.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_01: When you live to a level of tone or resonant tone beyond the old idea, the old idea can be reclaimed.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_01: You cannot shift what you see from the basement window at the level of the basement window.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_01: You have to go up a few stories higher in order to be able to re-see it and move beyond the old requirements or agreements to its form of manifestation.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_01: When the collective decides, underlying the word decides that something other, underlying the word other, can be so, a potential is actually a lying to.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_01: And the manifestation of war, which is primarily an idea that has been enacted and reinforced throughout time to the level where it has become an expectation, can be recalibrated and consequently renowned.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_01: When the vibration of anything is actually altered, it can be restructured beyond how it has been mandated or used.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_01: Everything, finally, like it or not, is source energy at one level or another.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_01: Energy that has been operative in a low tone or a low note or in coherence with fear can be reclaimed in the higher order.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_01: We call it the upper room.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_01: You may simply call it source energy or Christ mind or higher awareness.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_01: It really matters not.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_01: When the collective begins to understand the amplitude of authority that they have through thought and agreement, which means coherence, the world indeed is altered.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_01: As long as you think you have to do this with your hands, walk out into the battlefield with a whistle and tell everybody to mind their own business, you will be stuck or suffering.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_01: To realize that one claims the battlefield in source, renows the presence of the divine where it seems most absent, until one understands that one can reclaim anything from a higher level of alignment.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_01: Everything can be changed.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_01: You will have indeed what you have expected to see, which is how you operate collectively.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_01: That was them.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_00: Paul, thank you for channeling.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_00: I really, I really understand what it's like when you're not feeling well 100% thankful.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: I don't feel great, but they're fine.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_01: So it doesn't really matter to them.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I've learned.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_01: I just did two weeks of lectures.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the first week I could barely I could barely sit up.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_01: But they were great lectures, I have to say, you know, and the students who are present benefited, and I'm glad I was able to show up.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_01: That's my job is I've learned to show up for this regardless.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_00: You're you're doing such incredible offering such big support for us.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, yeah, to have this this wisdom come through.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_00: It feels um it feels like we can take it and actually make a change in our world.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_00: So thank you.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_00: I would love to talk about your thirteenth book, The Divine Union that was published this year.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like could you share a bit about like the messages that have come through there, the teachings?
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: So here's the like the the bad news is I don't remember much.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the only the first time I when I'm lecturing, I I it's as if after every lecture the blackboard gets washed clean and then the next lecture has to come.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm not, I don't really remember what they said yesterday.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_01: Roman, that's pretty rare that I do.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_01: The first time I actually read the books cover to cover are when I sit down to do the audiobooks.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, there's a wonderful woman who's been proofing all of the transcripts against the recordings to make sure that what's in print is accurate, even if the, you know, the word, the word usage feels awkward.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_01: The deal with the books is maybe three words in a book get get fixed because I usually, because I mispronounced them, yeah, that's usually it, or I didn't know the word, and so I did a sound alike.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it happens, you know, harken and darken sound very similar, you know.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_01: But if you look at the sentence, you can understand the intended word, even if perhaps I uttered it wrongly.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_01: So Divine Union actually is interesting because the first the first 12 books were in trilogy form.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_01: There were four trilogies, one after the next.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_01: Divine Union is actually a standalone book that encompasses the vibration, they say, of all of the prior books.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_01: So you actually are feeling or feeling or experiencing the equivalency and the basis of the instruction of all that they've taught prior.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_01: Divine union really is about moving to a level of coherence or alignment with source beyond the belief in separation.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_01: That's my understanding of it.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_01: But truthfully, I haven't revisited it since they since I finished the studio recording.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_01: They've already completed two other books that aren't out yet.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_01: One will be out in April, and the next one, I suppose, the following year.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and they're moving on to new stuff still.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_01: So I channel a lot, and their teachings are progressive.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm finding that while their teachings are incredibly consistent, they're tending to elaborate or deepen the themes, but they're also taking us way, way out of our own comfort zone about what is possible and how we can really be known or know, and know they say means realize the who that we are and the who that others truly are, and the inherent or manifest divine in all things.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's what the book is.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_00: Oh wow, I can feel the energy of that.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, if if possible, if they could come through, if that feels okay for you.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um there's two things that I'm really interested in is this um how our sensitivity is increasing, and also about the energetic achunements that they're talking about.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, they you know, they've been known to say we are not the entertainment when they're asked to speak on command.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_01: So I I don't know what you're gonna get.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um I'll ask about our sensitivity.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_01: They're saying it's not universal.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_01: What's actually occurred is that there has been a permission granted in the collective to idealize or understand the self beyond the old system of what is possible.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_01: When several of you begin to understand that how you perceive the world is altered through the work that you do, how you perceive another is other than others perhaps have seen, you're actually creating permission in the higher field for others to do the same.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_01: As each of you realizes a level of sensitivity, you actually give permission to others too as well.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_01: To be sensitive at this level is actually not to be special, it's to be who in fact you truly are, with less of the armor that you have utilized to support the self in organizing your life or identity in a collective field that can be challenging.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_01: So the occurrence is actually present in the field, and people are allieding to it as they say yes to their own potential to do so.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_01: Much of this is about unrealized potential becoming agreed to or realized or said yes to in a higher way.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_01: You will not get the information you require at the higher level until you agree that it's even a possibility.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_01: You are always ordering off of the menu of you what you believe can be so.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_01: When anyone agrees to their potential as quote unquote sensitive or perhaps clairvoyant or clairsentient or clair audience, it really matters not how you wish to define it.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_01: One is actually giving permission to everyone else to do the same, period.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_01: So that was the first question.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_01: So the attunements, there's a whole lot of attunements.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_01: We'd be here for another hour if we were to go through them all.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_01: So what's you have a specific question for them about the attunements?
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um to understand what they are and if there's one that can come through now and be shared with us.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_01: They're saying correct, easily done, and easily done.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_01: An attunement is an energetic command, if you wish, or decree if you prefer, that is encoded with an intention.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_01: The intention is encoded in the vibration of the sound and the intention as well behind the word spoken.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_01: So the language is actually intentional.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_01: A very simple one that can be claimed, which is always true.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_01: Understand this if you wish, what is true is always true, are the claims.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know who I am in truth, I know what I am in truth, I know how I serve in truth.
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  SPEAKER_01: I am free, I am free, I am free.
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  SPEAKER_01: The claims are spoken at the level of the divine self or the monad or the light within.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is not the personality self decreeing its holiness.
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  SPEAKER_01: While the personality self is of God, these claims are actually made at a level of agreement to an accord, a C C O R D, a C H O R D, to what is always true or the eternal self.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_01: The divine self indeed knows, realizes who it is, identity, understands, comprehends what it is, manifest form, and how it serves, which is how it expresses, how the divine self expresses as with and through each of you.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_01: The divine self knows what it is, who it is, and how it serves.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_01: The claim I am free, again invoked at the level of the divine self, is a claim of truth.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_01: The divine self or the God within you is free.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_01: It is not bound by the idea of personal history or collective accord, what should be so based in past premise or past agreement to potential.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_01: The divine self knows itself beyond the idea of time and space, perhaps lineage, perhaps genealogy, perhaps collective history.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_01: The true self operates in sacredness and innocence, which simply means that the divine self or the God within you does not know itself in fear, has never known fear, has not been and cannot be corrupted.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_01: When one begins to align at the level of the divine self, the manifestation of the monad, or if you wish to use the word Christ, or if you prefer the word true self, incarnate is indeed made so.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_01: That is the instruction we offer and continue to thank you for the question.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I love that the the attunement that came through was that I am free because I could actually start to feel it all of a sudden.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like it's cogs in the brain.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's I I try to describe it, but I really feel it in my body.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_00: I felt like I just felt something open in my brain, and I'm and like my center of you absolutely are truly free.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like you absolutely are.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_00: That is the truth.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's powerful.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, thank you.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_00: Paul, I really honor your time and I also respect that you're not feeling so great.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_00: So thank you.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, if I just have one last little question.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_00: Is there one practice that you have that um you like something that you practice maybe daily that kind of helps you to be present?
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_01: I try not to take actions based in fear, it's a very simple choice that is made.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_01: I use the energy of the word often, and that's the teaching of the first book.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_01: There's an attunement to the energy of the word.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_01: The guys call the word the energy of the creator in action.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_01: So you claim that action, the action of the divine upon something, and you're actually informing it.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_01: You can feel it in the body when you claim I am word through my my pelvis, my headache, my right, my right wrist, whatever it may be.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_01: But that's for another conversation.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_01: So that's it.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_01: I don't I don't have uh a singular practice.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_01: I try to show up as best I can for whatever's in front of me and try not to complain too much while I'm doing it because I enjoy complaining, and that's about it.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_01: That's about it.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_00: That's perfect.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for your time.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_00: I've loved this conversation, and and sending you Reiki, universal light coming your way for your healing.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for that.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for having me on the show.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_00: Namaste.